Arsenal shoot themselves in the foot… again

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Arsenal shoot themselves in the foot… again


This doesn’t require too much analysis. Diego Costa did what Diego Costa often does. Get into wars with his markers, attempting to wind them up, then appealing to the referee when they react. Gabriel, a fellow Brazilian, fell for it hook, line and sinker, his dismissal so unnecessary. He might as well have broken Costa’s leg if he was going to be sent off for something.

Naturally, Arsenal’s chances of getting anything from the game pretty much disappeared at that point, one goal down due to some atrocious set piece defending. Nacho Monreal may be an ok full back when the ball is on the floor, but in recent years, only Bacary Sagna has shown any strength in the full back position when the ball has been in the air. Sadly, technique alone will rarely be enough in the Premier League. Yet, Monreal might be excused for giving Zouma a free run under the misapprehension his colleagues were playing an offside line. Koscielny completely ballsed that up. Sadly, he is not the great defender some would like to think he is. The offside line is a basic.

Arsenal had made a decent fist of an end to end game up to the first goal. Chelsea were playing better than they have of late in their league matches. A lot more committed and switched on, but the visitors were creating too. There seemed to be a bit more pace and directness about their play.

However, as in Croatia, a first half red card did for them, and handed the initiative to the opposition. Cesc Fabregas pulled the strings in a way that Cazorla, in an identical position, was unable to, and with Hazard returning to his form of last season, there was no way back. Arsenal of all teams should have known better than to allow Fabregas time and space on the ball.

The second half, for the most part, was an exercise in ensuring that there was no humiliation along the lines of the 6-0 scoreline of two seasons ago, although Alexis did have one great chance. When Arsenal did get a set piece in a decent position, it was wasted. This is a weakness in their game. They need to work harder at creating something that is going to lead to a genuine chance, something a bit more imaginative than just lumping a ball into the box.

To return to Gabriel, I actually liked the way he stood up to Costa initially after he had floored Koscielny, who would have done better to imitate his opponent and writhe around the floor for a while clutching his face. However, he obviously took it too far, suckered by a cuter opponent.

With Coquelin lost to injury at half time, the Gunners were pretty toothless. The removal at the same time of Ozil and Alexis from the match kind of summed up Arsenal’s match – the big hitters did not perform.

Cazorla’s second yellow and Arsenal’s reduction to nine men felt pretty academic, although Wenger the gamesman might have considered getting two players to feign serious injury at the same time as the clock ticked down, leaving his team with seven men on the pitch and forcing the abandonment of the game. Neil Warnock did this a few seasons ago, I think with Sheffield United. Someone can tell me what the Football League decided to do with that result in the comments. It would have at least spoilt the Chelsea party and avoided a second goal.

Theo Walcott had an injury time header which he could have sent goalwards but merely confirmed that, in the air, he is far from up to the centre forward’s job. Arsenal looked like a team in need of a better striker, but this is territory that we do not need to return to. You pay your money (or not as the case may be) and take your choice. We have Giroud, Theo and Joel Campbell, assuming Danny Welbeck is out for the season, as Roy Hodgson let the cat out of the bag.

So that’s Zagreb and Chelsea done with. Just Spurs and Leicester to go before we can start with the Groundhog Day stuff in earnest. Time for a change of manager who will get Arsenal playing winning football and cease shooting themselves in the foot by failing to organize their defence and picking up cheap red cards. It’s all too nicey nicey. When Wenger had winning teams, he had characters, attitude and a winning mentality in his players, in addition to red cards. Oh for a return to those halcyon days…

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  1. Nick

    Sep 24, 2015, 11:46 #76291

    Thank you for all the nice comments on my post, just let me say I am not anti Wenger I am anti his management style and his decisions, that was not always the case, when he first arrived he was a breath of fresh air , a saviour even , under him we played some of the best and most exciting football EVER seen on these shores, for that I am eternally grateful to him, but football is not about sentiment, it is as they say about RESULTS, the last eight years have seen our powerful, and exhilarating style morph into a chess like type of game with endless passes attempting to draw your opponent into errors, as I have said before when it works it is a joy to behold but it works rarely and almost never against our major rivals,, when it doesn't work it becomes boring and more importantly FRUSTRATING, it is also easily countered by massed defences, and quick counter attacks , yet Wenger will not accept this style will NOT win major trophies such as the title or CL, not with the personnel at his disposal , it is this intransigent attitude and his tactical acumen or lack of it now that the game has moved on which I dislike, the deception he tries to apply to each new season,allowing supporters to dare to hope that finally we will be back at the top , when without proper investment, without a change from the intricate passing game which in my opinion should be used only AFTER a game is won and we are cruising, and without more care being put into preparation on our opponents we will NEVER win the games TOP prizes ever again under our present leader !

  2. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 24, 2015, 9:13 #76274

    Not sure how it started but it was a few idiots who tore down the signs then the police appeared and arrested a few. To be honest it was almost quiet outside as we were kept in for 30 minutes or more and the Arsenal fans were escorted left down the high road, while we walked back up the high road which was almost deserted by then, just the odd scummy fan looking to have a go. As for the game, we weren't in any trouble after scoring but decided not to play for the first 15-20 minutes of the second half and although they were on top didn't create much, not sure Ospina had much to do the whole game except catch a few crosses. Nice to see Flamini win us the match, if Arteta had his energy and athleticism that would be one helluva player, Flamteta. As for Kane, seems like he is a one season wonder so far, Chambers and Bfg had him in their pockets. Debuchy was a worry at times, caught upfield too often and not able to get back but I give him some slack as he has hardly played for a year. All in all it was a nice confidence booster ahead of a couple of tough games. It's still interesting how even after a win thee is a negative post about something that happened 7-8 years ago. This cup is made for using the squads, most teams made at least 8 changes to their line ups. In this modern 26 man game how are you supposed to keep everybody fresh and give them some game time? The reward is to try and keep that team that wins tonight play the next match. We did that with Chelsea and didn't with Birmingham so made no difference. Imagine the posts today if we had lost last night with Flamini and Arteta in the heart of the team, the anti Arsenal crew would have been choking on their corn flakes, but now we have won, well it was only the scum away in a Mickey Mouse cup. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

  3. Westlower

    Sep 24, 2015, 8:53 #76273

    That cork has popped up again, wins when he needs to, always wins when he needs to. Poor first half with ring rusty players struggling but we finished the stronger team. Flamini showed what can happen when you get a shot on target.

  4. chris dee

    Sep 24, 2015, 8:51 #76272

    I don't want to say 'I told you so' but I have been posting since the beginning of the season that Flamini should always be in out starting line up........ nah,not really,I am as surprised,astonished and happy as everyone else with our new prolific goal scorer.

  5. John F

    Sep 24, 2015, 8:20 #76271

    GCB.You have got to love the online mails headlines Arsenal fans go on rampage.It looked like just a hand full involved .Idiots really as they must be travel club members who are about to be banned for life.I bet it was rough outside.

  6. Badarse

    Sep 24, 2015, 8:18 #76270

    Flamini won the MotM, feet and hands down. He has an appointment in Hampstead High Street today at 'Martha's Handy-Foot Craft' for his winning Jimmys and Plates session.

  7. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 24, 2015, 8:11 #76269

    Jamerson- the Arsenal fanbase want to win trophies "WOB's" more than anyone that is our argument of under performance under under spend. I loved our win at WHL . It was shambolic performances in league cup finals with Wenger playing a boys team against Chelsea that pretty much indicated his view on the worth of trophies. So much sacrificed in his hopeless bid to win an out of reach champions league

  8. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 24, 2015, 0:13 #76268

    Happy days, beat the scum, locked in for 30 minutes after, tear gassed, but who cares. Always great to beat them. We're playing Wednesday we're playing Wednesday you're not, you're not. You're playing Thursday you're playing Thursday, we're not.

  9. mbg

    Sep 23, 2015, 21:38 #76267

    Watch wally make a bee line for the mike, he's probably even there quicker than I can type this.

  10. Paulo75

    Sep 23, 2015, 21:36 #76266

    Flamini .... Goal Machine ..... Ole!!!!

  11. mbg

    Sep 23, 2015, 18:25 #76265

    Love your Tweet gooner, getting vital vaccination before heading to infected area showing a pint of Lager, you'll need more than one though (and i'm sure that'll be the case) but if your really in trouble seek out the Arsenal Doctor (that's if you trust him)and he'll give you one of his tetanus jabs.

  12. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 17:38 #76264

    Ha ha, have a good game goonercolesyboy. Don't forget to wipe your feet before you step out onto the pavement after the game.

  13. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2015, 17:34 #76263

    @Ron, I change channels instinctively whenever Fergie is being interviewed. Throwback from past bruising Man U encounters. However I expect we'll both be at Newmarket on Saturday when he has a couple of runners entered. Some friends of mine have been in the same syndicates as him but somehow we've always avoided each other. It's a shame as I was hoping to be introduced to him by asking "and what do you do for a living Sir Alex," but sadly the opportunity never arose. Only ever got introduced to Sir Bobby Charlton & Brian McClair of the Mancs management. McClair left earlier this year to join the Scottish FA as performance director of the youth academy, a role he held at OT for many years. I'll be particularly interested to see how we get on without tigerish tackler Cazorla in our midfield tonight. Want to see the Ox impose himself and start scoring goals, where better than the Lane to kick start his season.

  14. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 23, 2015, 17:21 #76262

    Nice to have you back Badarse, throwing the grenades back over the other side. Barney Curley is a legendary owner/trainer of race horses who loved a punt and took many a bookie to the cleaners, beware when the money was down. Him and Michael Wigham had many a gamble off. Off to the Lane tonight in a short while, park about a mile from white hart lane station and walk down the high road. Then keep the head down as the cretinous mob await our arrival on the corner of Park Lane. I will leave the predictions to jeff as he knows everything about football but has a mental block when it comes to anything about Arsenal. The mug from Northern Ireland gave him post of the day again, making him the most successful poster on here. Must give him a place in Europeean competition.

  15. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 17:11 #76261

    If we win tonight-and I think it may go 2-3 to the redmen-there is a special win bonus on offer for the MotM. It is a full manicure and pedicure for the winning vertically challenged, no big yins-(sorry Billy, have read that too jj)-are allowed to compete as their height gives them an unfair advantage, longer reach/cannot toe the line, delete as required. This will be followed by a free reflexology session on both feet and hands for the lucky little chap. A promise of massaging hands, feet, and the ego bumps a daisy. This way a potential scratch becomes a sensual stroke-always worked for me, though the pleasure-pain routine can prove very successful.

  16. mbg

    Sep 23, 2015, 16:58 #76260

    According to yahoo sport the spuds have teamed up in a sponsorship deal(for games against Arsenal only) with toolz, makers of men's grooming kits and who specialise in nail clippers a grooming kit is being given to each spud player in the dressing with after a request from TOF have been ordered to cut their nails (even their toe nails in case one of their boots comes off) for fear they scrape or scratch one of his delicate little dwarfs.

  17. Ron

    Sep 23, 2015, 16:43 #76259

    Ive seen you mention him Westie. Sounds good! Youre right re tonight. A squeaky bum game. Any win over them is a good win, even if we don't progress beyond this round!! The winners to draw Aston Villa away. Did you watch Fergie last night? Isn't he so all knowing (In his own mind anyway) and all consuming? Even now, he indulges himself doesn't he. Teeny impression hes not so enamoured with LVG though to the extent that he made out?

  18. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2015, 16:37 #76258

    @Ron Get yourself a copy of Barney's book 'The Sure Thing' about the greatest coup in horse racing history. Also google 'Barney Curley & John McCririck argue on At The Races - you tube. Best piece of TV ever. Tonight I'm expecting Arsenal to go through after extra time. 2-2 after 90 minutes.

  19. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:49 #76257

    If you accept that both GG and AW were taller than HC, then I think it is an important aspect for the judgement of 'Best Manager'. As is the case amongst some, and this site is drowning in them, they regard stature to a point of 'sizeism'. So I maintain that the smaller man had an obstacle to overcome in his assertiveness over his players, also that his arms ached much more due to carrying the box around that he stood on. I also think that looking at the attire, a) Pre-war off the peg, b) Blazer and Bowling Green tie, c) Armnlegi Italian suit, it is a no contest. If you 'squared' the 'square GG' it would equal Pi, and HC looks as though he might have eaten it and all the others. AW on the other hand may be a little vinegary but it is definitely a cask-aged De Modena one. Then there are hat sizes to consider. This plays a part when throwing it into the ring-AW's is magic and is invisible so it creates a non-effect as people just see his arms windmilling, Don Quixote-style,(quixotic? Yes jj I have read this book too). Some might suggest the hirsute-bottom test, I am trying to put bottoms behind me so will ignore it. Then of course we have the language barrier to consider. AW has it easy by speaking six languages and only needing to address a dozen nationalities in the club bath, especially when they lose the soap-they all go a little cross-eyed and pay more attention to him. HC spoke fluent 'Yorkshire', whilst GG spoke 'Glaswegian Gorbals Talk Stitch that Jimmy', so they suffered the ignominy of misunderstandings by their teams. I think because of these factors Bertie Mee comes out on top, despite talking with a limp!

  20. Kerryman Gooner

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:44 #76256

    Nick Excellent Post. Insightful & entertaining. Well written and to the point. New angle on Wenger's ongoing and long drawn-out demise. I think very few Gunners are aware that proportionally GG was more successful - at least in terms of silverware. Mr Whitcher should hire you.

  21. Gaz

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:43 #76255

    @EG/Jeff: Fair points both of you...

  22. mbg

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:42 #76254

    jw, top post, the AKB's are out and about (for a while anyway) they must smell a victory tonight.

  23. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:37 #76253

    Graham and Chapman worked in eras where just finishing in the top 4 had no meaning. 4th or 5th, nobody cared. It doesn't have much sporting meaning now. Had they both made it their main focus every season I'm sure both could've managed a few more top 4s.

  24. jeff wright

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:34 #76252

    This top 4 Wenger malarkey is all nonsense it was more important to win the league cup in GG's day if you couldn't win the league - because you got a trophy and a Euro placefor doing so.You had to win the league to get in the European Champions Cup. And as Gaz pointed out English clubs due to Liverpool andother supporters ,were banned from playing in it during some of GG's tenure. .Deja Vu winning the FA Cup that also provided a European Cup Winner place and another trophy in GG's place as well when he won it . Wenger's never won anything in Europe he has only made money from making up the numbers in the so called Champions League by mainly winning qualifier ties to play in it after finishing 4th in the league, that position only guarantees a Ropey Cup place. As does winning the FA Cup now days . So the rare third place finish last season was actually in Stan's business plan more important than the FA Cup win,as it also was with the 4th place finish the season before and the season before and the... yawn... wake me up before you go go Arsene...

  25. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:23 #76251

    OK 24601, I accept that Barney was the vehicle, but I award you 'Post of the Day'. No one can dismiss that because it's my post-and the garden gate has just fallen off to prove it. People just distance themselves from reality, as George Orwell coined it 'Double-Think'. I know quite kind and sensible people who are almost reactionaries over all visitors to these shores, yet I would honestly be surprised if a starving child stepped ashore in front of them and they didn't rush to help. Well done Barney, ever the maverick-'Banner of the Day'!

  26. Gaz

    Sep 23, 2015, 15:01 #76250

    Hi Tony. Yep, can't argue with any of that. Kind of wanted that post to be fair to all three so thought it right not to add anything critical about any of them. @Westlower: Yeah you could argue that but then you'd need to consider that the cash rewards available to Wenger for finishing in the top four have most probably been very pivitol in helping him finish in the top four again...

  27. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2015, 14:49 #76249

    @Kevin Time to change your headline to 'Mike Dean shoots Arsenal in the foot...again' after an Independent Regulatory Commission found Gabriel had been wrongly dismissed. Ex-ref Dermot Gallagher was damning of Deans handling of the contentious issues. @Gaz Interesting stats, but Wenger is the only Arsenal manager never to have finished out of the top 4. @Badarse, Barney Curley has erected a large banner on the London Road just outside Newmarket supporting the refugees: David Cameron stop playing politics. No human being is illegal. No human being is a refugee by choice. We are all responsible for each other.

  28. Tony Evans

    Sep 23, 2015, 14:44 #76248

    Good posts both Nick and Gaz. Wenger's reign at Arsenal has to be split virtually right down the middle. First half he must go down as the best manager we have ever had (never mind the arguments about inherited back fours and luck with a head start in the market in the then purple patch of French talent).The second half is the polar opposite, presiding over a barren period that could be argued was directly attributable to his failed project youth and lack of proper investment in the squad (never mind this top four trophy nonsense). He is now the most divisive figure at the club I have ever known and has split the fan base virtually in two. He should have gone years ago but rather like an over ripe French cheese he just hangs on in there growing more and more mouldy and out of date by the second.

  29. Gaz

    Sep 23, 2015, 14:28 #76247

    Bugger! Just realised Chapman had no League Cups to play for!!! Doh!!! That means Chapmans ‘trophies won percentage’ increases from 11.11% to 16.66%! That still gives GG a slight overall statistical edge over Chapman and Wenger in my opinion…

  30. Gaz

    Sep 23, 2015, 14:17 #76246

    Excellent post Nick. If I could take it on further though it should be noted that Graham had no European football for four of the nine (or eight and three quarters of you like!) years he was in charge whilst Chapman had NONE during his own tenor as Manager. I’ve always felt both of them would have added to their trophy haul if they had. Anyway I had twenty minutes spare at dinner so I decided to take a look at what the statistics say in regards to our three greatest managers. I should start by saying for the purposes of this the only trophies I'm considering are the three main domestic trophies plus one European trophy (on the basis that even when there were three European trophies to play for you could only participate in one of them). Anyway here goes… George Graham was manager for nine full(ish) seasons and won six major trophies. Due to the euro ban though over a four year period he had a total of thirty two trophies to compete for. Herbert Chapman was manager also for nine full seasons and won three major trophies. Due to there being no European football at the time though that meant he only had a total of twenty seven trophies to compete for. Àrsene Wenger has been manager for nineteen full seasons winning ten major trophies. This equates to a total of seventy six trophies to compete for over this period. This means GG won a major trophy every 1.5 years, Chapman every 3 years, and Wenger every 1.9 years. When it comes to the percentage of trophies won GG won 18.7% of the trophies he competed for, Chapman 11.11%, and Wenger 13.15%. So statistically Wenger is our most successful manager in terms of trophies won, but George Graham has a better record albeit over a shorter period of time. Would Graham and Chapman won more if they’d been in charge for 19 years? Who knows but with regular Euro football to compete for and the money gained from top four finishes gaining entry into the ECL I’m guessing they might of. Which one is the ‘best’ manager then? Well this is where we could argue the toss all year because all of them have contributed greatly to the fantastic history of our Club. Chapman effectively got the ball rolling and without him there’d be no Graham or Wenger, Graham took an ailing side and took on the might of a great Liverpool team, whilst Wenger’s presided over a new Stadium move and totally turned around how we’re perceived in World football. Personally I can’t really split them and I’m just happy we’ve had the good fortune of all three managing us…

  31. mbg

    Sep 23, 2015, 13:44 #76245

    So Annies got fed up with him too, I wonder why I guess that will bite into the fortune he's conned out of us, I can't wait to read her book.

  32. mbg

    Sep 23, 2015, 13:29 #76244

    Rumour has it TOF has the club doctor on standby on the side lines tonight with tetanus shots in case some big bad spud bullies haven't had a manicure and scrape our players.

  33. Ron

    Sep 23, 2015, 13:11 #76243

    Peter - its certainly reasonable to think that Spurs will be more motivated for this Cap Cup game. Yes, good chance they ll win too.Privately, Wenger would on one hand be relieved to exit this Cup i venture, though if ever he needed a win v Tottenham its now. He often gets a result when he personally most needs one, thus re enter wall to wall smug leathery grins until the next embarrassing episode for the Club. Hes like a cork on the waves. He dips and seems sunk and then he pops up again and again and again ha!

  34. RedPig

    Sep 23, 2015, 13:06 #76242

    Fantastic post Nick. Very well thought out and explained. For me and with the reasons you give regarding the trophies per season ratio - George Graham is our most successful manager. And Chapman remains the most important even though some like to think Wenger is. Depending on which way we look at it we can also make a case for Wenger being our most unsuccessful manager if you count the number of seasons without a trophy. It currently stands at 12 seasons - including a massive 8 in a row. Manipulating statistics to suit the side of the divide I am on perhaps but still ...

  35. Peter Wain

    Sep 23, 2015, 12:49 #76241

    Fearful for tonight. Arteta not good enough and attacking options woeful Kane must score soon so I expect a loss tonight and on Saturday. Hopeful of a win against the greeks and then United. OGL must go soon

  36. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 12:37 #76240

    Nick interesting post, but it wasn't my dog! There are people on this site who would argue that GG had a better record than Arsene, as those who would debate the best out of Titi and Bergy. That is fair enough, but these judgements are all relative. Deciding on trophies per season is a common approach; league positions over a given period another; even the type of football played in the eras concerned, and it's consistency. I quite like your posts but I think there is a trap which you have to avoid. Stubbornness is not a quality or a liability necessarily, but can be either. It depends on circumstances and their interpretations. I am extremely stubborn over some issues, I particularly hang on terrier-like-whoops, there's that dog again-when it comes to bullying, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and also, when it comes to tea whether you should put milk in first or last. Please continue with the grown up posts-they are very refreshing.

  37. jeff wright

    Sep 23, 2015, 12:06 #76239

    Nick, trying to talk sense to Colesyboy is like flogging a dead mule - pointless.In fact a dead mule has more sense than him. Griping Colesyyboy when not blowing bubbles is forever posting insults at any who dare to criticize the great leader that he along with others worship .Wenger when judged by his own criteria of what success is has obviously been a failure since the move from Highbury where he WAS a success. Now with the old 4th place in the Prem looking likely to only 'win' a Ropey Cup place if Arsene fails to make the top three, very likely this in my view, Stan might decide that it's time for a change. With th he rarely gets a top three place and never 2nd or first these days . Then the big bucks Chumps League cash will be missing from next seasons coffers. Stan needs that money to help him out in hoarding multi-millions in the club accounts to provide some intrinsic value to his shares rather than them being based solely on future revenues.Always a risky thing anyway this in football. However, Stan has awarded himself a yearly dividend from the profits made by AFC this dividend is dressed up as being for advice given, no other shareholder in the history of AFC ever did this. you couldn't make it up. In reality The odious Stan earns this dividend from the borrowed money that the porno-mustachioed cretin invested in AFC and not one cent of his own money was ever put up by him in the club. Stan's with us for the money and winning trophies is secondary to that fact. Wenger's done a good job for Stan balancing the books by selling players and buying cheap ones to fill the squad with. The 'marquee signings' of Ozil and Sanchez were largely financed by the selling of players and loaning out to reduce the wage bill of others .A couple of FA Cup wins in the last 10 years by Wenger doesn't even shape up against what Liverpool ,who are not a proper top 4 side these days have achieved. But still the spin goes on.it's not Arsene's fault it's the refs ,the FA ,Uncle Tom Cobblers ,the Greek financial melt down, never mind onwards and upwards and tippy - tappy ho!

  38. Ron

    Sep 23, 2015, 11:49 #76238

    Nick - its a typical eg of an employer vesting too much power and reliance on one employee and employee has taken a yard by being given only a foot. Its Kroenke and the Board to blame. People have a go at such as Abramovitch for his hire and fire routine but he does it to keep his foot on the necks of these overblown, puffed up football Managers all of whom are easily dispensed with and replaced. At Arsenal, it seems that Kroenke and the Board have allowed themselves to be fearful of a future without their 'key' employee and lack the desire to disinvest the power and control they've foolishly allowed him to indulge himself with. Wengers just being human. Hes taken advantage of his employers weakness. The Wenger situation is also of course part of the wider objective of keeping the fat Uzbek out. Its all very unhealthy there. All of them are happy to compromise the Club for the sake of their own agendas.

  39. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 23, 2015, 11:43 #76237

    Nick - superb just sublime, if I could roll all my contributions into one and produced something like that! Each I suppose has to discover for themselves a little like a crutch of a drink or that fag one needs to get by. Once you see what's happening you open your eyes at last and throw away the dependency. The board propogate this. They are literally terrified. Of bloody what I ask. A decent coach could work wonders. Oh well perhaps Wengers increasing isolation in the uk post divorce. May make him decide to go. Despite my increasing disregard for him, he does deserve a happy life and i guess that would be in France

  40. Ron

    Sep 23, 2015, 11:34 #76236

    He was indeed Westie. Dirty sod too. Good player though. Nothing fazed him and strong as an ox. It ll go to pens tonight i reckon.It ll either be a decent game or an insipid one where its obvious both sides are going through the motions. I think that quietly Pottechino is actually building a decent side there now. Theres no hype or usual Spurs fanfaring either. They're looking quite solid. Never thought i d say that about Spurs!

  41. Nick

    Sep 23, 2015, 11:30 #76235

    Goonerscloyboy being anti Arsene is not the same as being anti ARSENAL, you can love the club but dislike the manager, who is NOT above the club or criticism! As for being our most successful manager lets put that into perspective, he is our LONGEST SERVING manager beyond doubt, his record of success must be gaged by hos longevity in the job , George Graham won SIX trophys in EIGHT years give or take at the club, Wenger has won NINE in over TWICE that period, a period which has coincided with the bigger clubs spending power dwarfing that of the bulk of the premier league teams, ensuring they battle between five or six of them for four places, those four spots going on an ALMOST regular basis to the clubs in order of their respective wealth, which also puts into perspective his " achievement" of finishing always in the top four,much as Greaves strike rate for his England goals puts Rooneys recent record to shame so does Grahams trophies to years at the club put Wengers to shame, yes in his first decade in charge we played scintillating football a joy to watch, but the latter decade has been fraught with humiliation, disappointment, and frustration while tippy, tappy football has replaced the exciting stuff of yore, on rare occasions when it works it is I admit a thing of beauty, but it is RARE, and almost ALWAYS against the lesser teams, his tactical awareness is limited, his stubborn streak unbounded, his arrogance colossal, his parsimony legendary, he and his most ardent followers live off past glories, at ANY other top club or aspiring top club his tenure would have ended long ago, Billy Wright wanted Arsenal to play attacking football and for one short season in 63/64 we did scoring over Ninety goals but conceding over Eighty, no one could deny that it was exciting stuff though, but Wright was not given any time ( probably rightly so ) no other manager in our history has had the tenure that Wenger has had or the slavish support from supporters and board alike , I would be overjoyed for him to prove me wrong and sweep the board of silverware in the last years of his contract but I never bet on odds of more than a 100/1 , the transfer window proves to me and many others that his own ego and stubbornness are what drives him these days a yearning to prove everyone and their dog wrong and himself right he has sacrificed our chances on the altar of his own hubris , AGAIN !!

  42. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2015, 11:28 #76234

    @Ron, No player wound me up more than Mark Hughes, he was the master arsehole! Odds on tonight's game: AFC 7/5, TH 2/1, Draw 13/5. To qualify; AFC 4/6, TH 11/10; To win COC outright: AFC 10/1, TH 18/1. We've knocked them out of Cup competitions in 7 of the last 8 meetings so keep it going tonight chaps!

  43. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 10:58 #76233

    Hubby: So why did you have the dog put down?-Wife: Because he was old.-H: But he was only two!-W: Yes, but he doesn't do his job well anymore.-H: What job?-W: He doesn't eat Tic Tacs.-H: But he does, occasionally I give him one, he just doesn't 'do' them too often and prefers bones.-W: And the dishwasher doesn't work too well either.-H: What? That has no connection.-W: Really? Have you seen the smug way he looks at me when the crocks come out smeared?-H: He doesn't, that is a case of your amorphisation.-W: He is just so arrogant.-H: There you go again. Don't make these silly statements, stick to the point. Why did you do it?-W: Silly statements? Why Ena, Martha and Minnie all agree with me.-H: I know they are right up your street but you are living in the past. They just play, 'Follow My Leader' anyway. Stick to the point, please. You can do it, just try harder.-W: I remember the dog we had when I wore pigtails, we called him 'Doog', he was a real chairdog that one.-H: You wore pigtails recently when you dressed up as a naughty Fraulein for me. Remember I wore the Lederhosen and wellington boots, and we had that stuffed paratha..?-W: Sshh. I mean when I was a child. Dogs were dogs back then, not like today's pussies.-H: We are talking of dogs not cats. Stay on the subject.-W: These Alsatians are a dodgy lot. Give me an English Sheepdog any day. None of these fancy French Poodles, or Mexican Chihuahuas either. Their bark is worse than their bite.-H: Surely you are not demanding that a dog should bite people?-W: Yes, it shows we have a dog deserving of the name 'dog', it's true they have hairy bottoms but it isn't enough. Oh,and don't call me Shirley!

  44. jeff wright

    Sep 23, 2015, 10:51 #76232

    Howard ,you are peddling the 'we was robbed line' here with the Costa smoke-screen malarkey.Wenger's record against Mourinho never beaten him in 15 competitive games hardly suggests I replay would change things . I note no one mentions Santi's sending off ,why is this then.? We were never going to score on Saturday mate so get real move on and, as Arsene's wife has, it really is time for us to find another manager .In the meantime though it's the spuds tonight in a North London Derby and even those of us who want Arsene gone will wish him well in tongight's tete a tete. Some things just can't be ignored !Having said that we will not be happy with the sort of cowardly display thatour players produced in their last visit to the lane of pain. Also we don't want any more lame excuses ,just a win will suffice!

  45. Ron

    Sep 23, 2015, 10:49 #76231

    He s all of those things Westie but this Costa stuff is all a big fuss over nothing. Really, nothing much happened. Costa and Gabriel are both culpable of stupid behaviour at worst, there's no doubt about that but in truth a better ref could have sorted that lot out without booking anybody, never mind showing a red. The fact that much is being made of it is a refection of the media hyped, chronically bad game that football has become. PS Mate, you've aged Mark Hughes a bit and im sure that you never saw Joe Jordon play much (esp in his Leeds days - he mellowed at Utd). He was the ultimate underhanded arch villain and could teach Costa a thing or two about winding up defenders. Suspect yr Mourinho obsession has riled the bee in yr bonnet about them a bit.

  46. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2015, 10:38 #76230

    Any criticism of Mike Dean is grossly unfair, after all he did manage to nail that 'Dirty Dog' Cazorla. No other ref has managed to rid a game of such a ferocious tackler while keeping Ivanovitch, Cahill, Matic, Oscar, Remires & Costa ON the pitch at the same time. Well done Mike - your Chelsea shirt, signed by all Maureens luvvies, is in the post. Wear it with pride son!! Did the 75,000 signed petition have any bearing on the outcome of the independent disciplinary panel? Wonder if Maureen signed it - good egg that he is? I'm sure he would want to see justice done.

  47. Torbay gooner

    Sep 23, 2015, 9:28 #76229

    I hear you Westlower, Costa is hardly a role model. I actually watched the match on TV with a Chelsea supporting 12 year boy, who thought Costa should have been sent off and was clearly bored with his antics. He deserves his ban.

  48. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 9:28 #76228

    Come on goonercolesyboy, common sense posts have broken out all over the place, it's your turn. Oh, and thank you for the alarm call.

  49. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2015, 9:04 #76227

    Apparently Gary Neville is a fan of Costa. That's fair enough as there must be a coming together of brothers in the wind-up union. An independent disciplinary panel found that Gabriel didn't actually touch Costa with his heel. The ref missed all confrontations during the game and reacted to crowd noises + Costa squealing in his face like a f**k pig & advice from a lino who reckons he saw the sneaky heel flick back by Gabriel but missed all other incidents. Curious? Good description by Martin Samuel of Costa. "He brandishes imaginary cards when he is fouled. He runs screaming to the ref if his provocation results in the intended retaliation. He is not a bruising CF in the sense of being a Sixties throwback. He scratches, he slaps, he makes a big fuss. He isn't Ron Davies, Joe Jordan or Mark Hughes. No wonder Wenger is outraged when he has to put up with editorials saying this confrontational behaviour is exactly what his Arsenal team need to succeed. The weakness at Arsenal this season is the absence of prolific goalscorers, not prolific eye-pokers. Are we really advocating that Arsenal need someone to play like Costa? Does his style of play provide a positive contribution to English football, as a way forward, a standard to be followed? Costa is a provocateur, an antagonist, a nasty piece of work." Don't we all recall being taught at school that you never spit at, scratch or bite an opponent. It used to be known as unsporting behaviour. The win at all costs mentality is causing a trail of devastation behind Maureen. No one is beyond being dragged into the gutter with him, whether it be match officials, female doctors or slappers & scratchers.

  50. HowardL

    Sep 23, 2015, 8:50 #76226

    Costa 3 Gabriel 0 - victory for the 'pussies'! Given that the outcome was affected so much by Mike Dean's appalling refereeing, is it expecting too much to now suggest that in the interests of fairness the game be replayed? And if video evidence can be used like this after the game, why not during as in this instance it clearly would not have interfered with 'play'? Come on you Reds!

  51. Badarse

    Sep 23, 2015, 8:24 #76225

    Morning-have awoken from my slumber. HowardL, you are a clever guy, and most definitely a Gooner, however you have a glitch as I do. You mistakenly believe this site is for 'sensible' Arsenal discussions; it is in fact for negative, ego-inflated, and lonely lost souls who feel their manhoods are threatened by anyone who challenges their narrow specs, and puffed up by the acclaim of seriously challenged individuals. GoonerRon's post, not for the first time, is bang on the money. Sadly most are running around in a clamour with eyes tightly shut, and fingers poked into their ears-not always their own fingers either. Posts of extreme contradictions, with most playing verbal tennis, others joining in are playing verbal badminton, some verbal hurling...you get the picture? Basically the game was fast and very interesting. Both sides played football and it was clear very early on that CFC's bad patch had evaporated, and we had a fight on our hands to take anything from the game. We conceded a soft set piece again and that is worrying. Then the match was destroyed by poor officiating. No more, no less. You have to remain focussed in a debate gentlefolk. You look at the prime change in circumstances which affected the outcome. That has to be agreed upon before other factors are considered, that is how you discuss. You never arrive at the debating forum armed with a hockey stick because you may get it rammed down your own throat-law of the jungle and all that. Think about it, others cannot keep thinking for you. 24601 we nearly got our team selection and to me it was promising. Arsene came in from bingo full of 'All the threes-forty six, by itself seventeen, two fat ladies-need a Mediterranean diet.' So he agreed. He asked for Santi to be kept in as he is fearful of the backlash he would have received had the 'animal', as he is known in the dressing room, is in a wicked and evil mood of late. As far as I could make out it was down to the head of his Goofy slipper falling off on Friday morning.

  52. Tony Evans

    Sep 23, 2015, 8:15 #76224

    Bob - agree completely. Reckless, dangerous tackles fair enough, or if a player 'decks' someone with a proper right hook, but when you see players off for an innocuous push or a flick of the heel and similar the game has gone beyond a joke. Common sense has gone out of the window and FA rules / guidelines need relaxing if that is the problem. Of course if they are guidelines only and refs have a degree of discretion then the problem lies with little Hitlers like Mike Dean. Whatever the issue is it needs sorting quickly before more and more games are ruined - either by crazy FA rules or over zealous referees.

  53. Wear Your Colours

    Sep 23, 2015, 8:12 #76223

    Bob that is a very enlightened post and interesting proposal. Agreed justice was not served by the FA review panel getting the decisions right long of after the damage had been done.

  54. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 23, 2015, 6:33 #76222

    Normally I'd keep out of divorce dealings all very sad but he is effecting my marriage with Arsenal a troubled relationship of late. There are 3 people in the marriage Arsene and I'm prepared to remain loyal to the last. Suggest therefore you seperate your body back to your luxury batchelor pad in Paris.

  55. Danny

    Sep 23, 2015, 0:20 #76221

    Guys, now that Wengers wife has left him, the AKBS will come to their senses and see what Wenger is all about.

  56. RedPig

    Sep 22, 2015, 23:59 #76220

    Oh yeah the infamous Wenger contradictions. A few months ago he couldn’t make up his mind whether he sacrificed the FA Cup for the CL or suffered in the CL because of his love for the FA Cup. And another example back in 2010 he told us if we ever won the League cup there wouldn’t be an open top bus parade as he didn’t view it as a trophy. However a year later after we reached the final to play Birmingham he was singing a different tune. When we lost, this devastating blow and loss of morale (in a competition he viewed as only fit for the reserves) became the excuse for us winning only 2 out of the next 11 league game s … and pathetically finishing 4th after being in a 2 horse race. That was over five years ago and here we are still dealing with the same old crap.

  57. mbg

    Sep 22, 2015, 23:47 #76219

    RedPig, i'd forgotten about that new motto, i'm quite sure many others have also and i'm also sure not many have remembered it (if any)but it certainly wasn't meant for the club progression wise and most certainly not on the pitch, now if it had been, forward back left right back.

  58. mbg

    Sep 22, 2015, 22:35 #76218

    Nick, good post, he has no respect for anyone not even the fans that think the sun shines out of his arse, they must be mighty big rays because it's blinded them to that fact, as far as he's concerned the CC cup is beneath he's to good for it he's that arrogant, just like he (and his fans) were with the FA Cup not that long ago until it saved his job.

  59. mbg

    Sep 22, 2015, 22:23 #76217

    Will there be another petition against the FA now.

  60. Hiccup

    Sep 22, 2015, 22:08 #76216

    Arseneknewbest. Worrying news for tomorrow's game. A certain Mr Colin Thompson has been assigned as Assistant Referee. He will have the red flag with yellow trim. Will be news to many, but when officiating Arsenal games, he has a 72% ratio of waving his flag for offside when Arsenal are attacking. Furthermore, in a 2013 league game against Aston Villa, after frantically waving his flag, he managed to get Gibbs booked for dissent. Very worrying for tomorrow. I feel another petition coming on...

  61. Bob

    Sep 22, 2015, 21:36 #76215

    This may be justice, but it is utterly worthless. With Mertersacker apparently fit again, Gabriel would not have been selected for at least 2 of the 3 matches for which he would have been banned (he might play in the mickey mouse cup tomorrow). He was needed for the full game on Saturday. How does Costa's retrospective punishment benefit Arsenal as Gabriel's unjust one benefited Chelsea at our expense? Why will part of his suspension not include the return match at Arsenal in January? At the heart of the problem are the FA guidelines which result in a ridiculous number of sending-offs in the modern game. We have benefited ourselves enough times - two wrongs don't make a right. Nonsense like "raising an arm" and "denying a goalscoring opportunity" shouldn't be sending off offences. Introduce 10-minute "sin bins" like in rugby for such transgressions, and otherwise keep it as 11 v 11 other than in exceptional circumstances. The current situation simply encourages cheating behaviour.

  62. Alsace

    Sep 22, 2015, 20:42 #76214

    So our one defensive midfielder has been crocked by Chelsea a few games into a38 game season. It's a long time to January and even then the players will not be available. Predictable and wholly avoidable, save in a consequence fee environment that Wenger inhabits, as to the bloke, his name escapes me, who accused the editor of a one sided match review, Witcher is unerringly accurate. We lost the game - again. Pretending that it wasn't that bad, or that it didn't really happen is the most extreme form of AKBdom yet. One wonders idly how they would view relegation? Celebrations for the parachute payments?

  63. RedPig

    Sep 22, 2015, 20:31 #76213

    mbg - great post. And it reminded me of the new motto the club came out with a few years back. It was simply 'Forward' (and hopefully one day we will sign a decent one). Maybe we should go back to the Latin for a motto but update it to something more accurate? I suggest Victoria Stagnatia Complacia. Hiccup - love your posts mate. They always make me smile :)

  64. Danny

    Sep 22, 2015, 20:05 #76212

    so Gabriel red card rescinded. Still does not help we lost and Maureen has got the better of the french fraud! Costa might get a ban, but i tell you something. it will fired up the blues and this french cat will carry on as if nothing happened

  65. Hiccup

    Sep 22, 2015, 19:20 #76211

    Can AKB Central please refresh us the status of the League Cup. With all these petitions flying around, I've forgotten where we stand. Was it, the League Cup is harder to win than the FA Cup and/or is more prestigious than the FA Cup nowadays. There were articles flying around about this, but there's been that much bollox posted since, I've forgotten. It's all about clarity!

  66. mbg

    Sep 22, 2015, 19:12 #76210

    SKG, we've fallen through the bottom now alright, although others have been scraping the bottom for a long time for excuses for their lord and master, I've already mentioned this and make no apology for doing it again so much for this great club showing class and doing things the right way what was our motto? Victoria Concordia Crescit, victory through harmony and all that, yes i'm sure it wasn't the club who instigated this so called petition (although with this manager and his regime you'd never know) but weren't it's fans supposed to be the same? weren't they supposed to show the same harmony and class? classless, obviously this old past it waste of space manager has finally succeeded after all this time in doing what he's been trying to do and intended for years, getting rid of everything great and good, changing everything, and bringing this once great club of ours down to his level and changing it into a clone of himself classless, with of course the help from all his followers and wengerites who have had a hand in it and made thing easy for him all the way, and their so called petition just underlines it, pathetic. Thanks wenger, Victoria Concodia Crescit RIP.

  67. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 22, 2015, 18:44 #76209

    Colseboy - for two thirds of your offering you were right on the mark. Let's tick them off losing mentality yep, sissy players yep, diddy midfielders yep, give up in February yep, 8 million a year yep...... Last 10 years as most successful manager hummmmm.....

  68. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 22, 2015, 18:15 #76208

    So Gabriel has been cleared of a three match ban, but will probably get one for his slow departure from the field. The FA almost saying Dean let the game get out of hand when he should have sent Costa off in the first place. It still doesn't help change the outcome of the game but is an interesting u turn on their behalf. What now for the cheating snide Costa?

  69. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 22, 2015, 17:37 #76207

    The manager doesn't care about the club, wants us to lose games, puts out weakened teams, doesn't do tactics, doesn't patrol his technical area, can't set up a team, makes changes at the same time each match, earns £8m a year, doesn't do defending, buys dwarves, plays tippy tappy, etc etc. The same old same old posts from the same old same old anti Arsenal posters. Yet is the most successful manager in our history. That should get a few of them fired up, might even wake Badarse from his slumber.

  70. Ron

    Sep 22, 2015, 17:08 #76206

    Hi Nick - agree totally with you. Really do. Its sickening the way that the so called 'top' clubs have abandoned the Cap Cup in the last decade. They all do though and even the lesser Clubs do, sacrificed on the alter of needing to keep powder dry to beat teams around them to stay up. It all ignores the fact that the CC is done by February anyway. Ironically, just as Arsenals season traditionally ends.Its all one big p--s take as you say. Ill never attend another CC tie anyway. Like you, ive never forgiven that 5-1. I was there that night. On the face of it that team that night wasn't so weak. The way they dodged tackles and loafed about half paced was a disgrace.Wenger doesn't even turn a hair, as he doesn't when we re thrashed out of sight by the top teams, the arrogant t--t. How these on here can keep excusing and defending him is beyond me.

  71. Nick

    Sep 22, 2015, 16:57 #76205

    Ron its not just the Arsenal supporters he is contemptuous of, its the opposing fans too , they have a right to expect Wenger and Arsenal to RESPECT them and their team by playing the players they pay to see not a bunch of youth team member's, the league used to fine clubs for deliberately playing weakened sides in cup comps , but the likes of Wenger, and Ferguson have undermined a trophy that we once were glad to win, its still a Wembley day out with silverware at stake , and lets face it beggars cant be choosers ! As for supporters still going to these games for many the admitted reduced prices are the only way they can afford to go , that does not mean the club should short change them on value for their money! We will NOT win the title, we will NOT win the CL , we will NOT win the FA Cup for an historic third time in a row, we MIGHT win the league cup if we took it SERIOUSLY , and who knows what impetus that would give us in the rest of our campaign? , should we come short and empty handed this term there is only one man to blame , and before the " glory hunter" jibes come out in well aware that NO club has a divine right to silverware, but a club of our size and undoubted resources, that is so quick to fleece supporters for every halfpenny they can in any way they can , should at the very least be in with a solid CHANCE and HOPE of obtaining said trophies, to leave what has been revealed as something 195 million in the bank , leaving our squad short once again is scandalous! The old fraud has gambled on fitness and form even knowing key players were going to be out long term not for the first time ! How much more of this BULL must we take ???

  72. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 22, 2015, 16:49 #76204

    Hiccup -Yes, coq's out....oooo errrr that didn't sound quite right did it?

  73. Far far away fan

    Sep 22, 2015, 16:34 #76203

    What would you rather have? GG accepting illegal bribes or Silent Stan legally pilfering us. Wonder if Wenger's incompetence makes the 8 mill he earns a crime? And is it worse than what GG did?

  74. John F

    Sep 22, 2015, 16:10 #76202

    Mbg it might be French mustard.I understand tho that the Wales manager uses his own brand and you can buy it in the shops.

  75. jjetplane

    Sep 22, 2015, 15:09 #76201

    Any odds for Arsene FC being two up on Saturday and going down 5-2 to another crazy Fox flurry? I guess if they rest the complete '1st team' tomorrow they might get that down to 3-2. Remember - the season does not start until there is nothing to play for. Such planning is needed for the summer when the 'games' start in earnest. Papua New Guinea and the outlying Fiji Islands look like good bets for hawking a few shirts on those lovely beaches. Someone's singing/Cum by Ya ..... maybe they will be swapping the cones for hoola-hoops in the spring ....

  76. Hiccup

    Sep 22, 2015, 14:20 #76200

    Any early team news ahead of tomorrow's game? Have we been given the ref we asked for?

  77. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 22, 2015, 14:14 #76199

    Petitions against referees, we have just fallen through the bottom - anyway all ref's should dress and behave just like Fulton MacKay (Mr MacKay) in the Porridge film -there would be no nonsense with Mr MacKay in charge, ably assisted by his linesman Mr Barrowclough.It all started going wrong when they got rid of the black uniform, called linesmen an assistance and started putting the match ball on a pedestal for the ref to collect as he came out on to the pitch. FFS!

  78. Ron

    Sep 22, 2015, 13:51 #76198

    Nick - by paying the money and attending CC games the supporters makes their choice. If they know and accept that the Club takes the CC lightly (and this has been known for years), then still pay the daft prices to go, in my book they're the fools. More of our fans need to drop out of it (as many have done) and stop going. Only then will alarm bells ring in the corridors of power there. Having said this, expect Wenger to get some sort of result at the Lane and pull his nuts from the fire. It ll no doubt have the Westies et all drooling a again that all is rosy in the garden. PS Westie - yr spin is getting is a bit more desperate as we go along mate. Likening Utd to Arsenal as youve done is just silly. Red Member has answered most emphatically anyway.

  79. mbg

    Sep 22, 2015, 13:21 #76197

    Hiccup, I hear Gary Neville has signed it too, twice.

  80. mbg

    Sep 22, 2015, 13:08 #76196

    Daryn, and there you have it in a nut shell, they (west ham)must work at it in training (tatics), of course they do just like the chavs and all the other teams managers and over and over again (just like George Graham used to)but this one we have? he probably thinks he's to good for that, or doesn't need to, or it's not needed, or just let the team work it out for themselves (is a favourite with some)but the real reason is probably because he doesn't know how, and he (along with his followers)think all the other teams should do the same, and then just roll over and allow him and his midgets to tippy tap their way to goal, and when it's doesn't they all cry foul poor hard done by arsene, and Arsenal, and everyone is to blame except the real culprit.

  81. jjetplane

    Sep 22, 2015, 11:59 #76195

    And I bet the petition drivers are the same folk who don't even go to the Wok but are Arsene thru and thru. Rumour has it that Santi (see Manuel of Fawlty Towers fame) has been warned for his constant, inappropriate smirking whenever he mistimes, misplaces or balloons balls during competitive games. It really is a history of disrepute (see also Giroud) and a lack of understanding the fundamentals of sporting competitions. Can we have a petition to get Arsene FC to start actually competing and not simply bleating like their absent followers. Coata for a football Oscar anyone?

  82. Hiccup

    Sep 22, 2015, 11:44 #76194

    It's all very well saying we don't want Dean as ref, but where are the alternative suggestions. Who could possibly replace him? Better the devil you know I say. Oh, but westie praises Michael Oliver. The same ref that missed two stamps by Costa on skrtel and Can last season. Oliver misses two blatant stamps but is the kind of ref we want, and Dean misses a hissy handbag fight and he should be hanged. I don't recall even the Scouse fans setting up a petition after that last season? But keep bleating. Like I've said, we've overtaken the scousers as the most embarrassing fans in the country. Looking forward to the next petition where teams that defend against us shouldn't be allowed in the PL.

  83. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 22, 2015, 11:22 #76193

    With old Wenger there does seem to be a disconnect with the fanbase, delusional thinking more likely. Anybody who was at WHF to see us knock the Spuds out in 87 on the way to our first trophy in 8 years and pivotal to GG's future success will just shake their heads at his latest announcement that it is somehow not important. He will be the first to whinge though if it covers him in the smelly stuff. We could be looking at two more defeats in a row. This happens the knife's will sharpen and rightly so.

  84. Nick

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:58 #76192

    Look we were never going to win Saturdays game but a draw was in sight, yes our defenders should have been man enough to deal with Costas bitchiness, yet the fact remains that his CHEATING, is the thing that has riled most people, his blatant DIVE early on should have been rewarded with a yellow card not a free kick, the fact that after that dive he came up waving an imaginary card, his blatant attempts successful in the end to get a player sent off, are what we SHOULD abhor, there have always been villains in the game but in days past they were at least honest villains, over the top physically but not blatant cheats, this conning of gullible refs has to be stamped out, this does not detract from our failings however, we SHOULD have strengthened in the window, Wenger DOES need to either rethink his philosophy or go to a football tactics night school, but I fear it is too late to teach this particular old dog new tricks , he has already intimated that the game with Tottenham is irrelevant to him sayin in effect its ONLY the league cup , a competition he has never won, as he treats it with contempt, and in doing so the supporters who pay good money to go and watch us , in reality it is probably our ONLY hope of silverware this term, no one has ever won three FA Cups on the bounce I doubt we will either, but Wenger will forgo that and sacrifice our season , in the vain and delusional hope that we can win the league with what we have, surely even he must know the CL is way beyond our capabilities? I personally have never forgiven him for our league cup semi final humiliation at ****e fart lane, or indeed for fielding kids against Chelsea in the final of the same competition, oh yes and the 0-5 embarrassment against the same opponents at Highbury in the early stages of that competition, when he again played raw youngsters, in a LONDON DERBY !! if the man had ANY regard for the supporters he would NOT have done that to them, his time has been and gone, I hate to admit it but we will NEVER win another premier league title under the stewardship of this man !

  85. Charles

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:37 #76191

    The petition is asking for something that the club should have requested years ago. Or maybe in his pre-match press conferences, Wenger could have highlighted the record of red cards & penalties against us when Dean is referee, instead of blethering on about subjects like the greek economy and other clubs business.

  86. Hiccup

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:37 #76190

    Under the current FA laws, any petition that acquires 200,000 signatures will be passed. If 100,000 signatures are reached, the FA will be forced to take a referendum on the matter. Keep voting guys and gals.

  87. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:18 #76189

    Red Member : well written sir - you beat me to it.

  88. TJ

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:12 #76188

    There's a petition online for Mike Dean never to officiate an Arsenal match again and be investigated, has over 80,000 signatures already if you're interested...

  89. Red Member

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:11 #76187

    @westlower there is a big difference between ourselves and Manchester United. they have ambition and we don't. We both needed a top class DM and striker this summer. They recruited those players and we didnt. I would be quite happy for Kroenke to take £3 million if the club was heading in the right direction, but it is not and hasnt been since he arrived at the club. For a billionaire to take £3 million out of a club that is going backwards is disgusting

  90. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 22, 2015, 10:08 #76186

    Westflower: What takes the biscuit for me is how Santi was made captain - that in itself is astonishing.

  91. Westlower

    Sep 22, 2015, 9:55 #76185

    @Red Member, Five members of the Glazier family have recently taken £3m each at OT, removing £15m from the club. Whether we like it or not that's the nature of mega businesses. Shareholders who plough in hundreds of millions of their money are entitled to pay themselves a dividend. They take the financial risks, they take the rewards. There are many who have gambled and lost.

  92. Westlower

    Sep 22, 2015, 9:37 #76184

    Further proof that the FA don't have a clue who the villains really are in the PL, is their warning as to his 'future conduct' of the snarling, angry, frightening, argumentative, loose canon, that is Santi Cazorla. This sinister man mountain is famed for his aggression, kick boxing techniques and leg breaking tackles. Whenever I see Santi play my mind is instantly cast back to softies, Norman Hunter, Dave Mackay, Billy Bremner, Peter Storey, Ron Harris, Mick Harford, Duncan Ferguson, et al. It really takes the biscuit. Sweet know FA indeed!

  93. Red Member

    Sep 22, 2015, 9:30 #76183

    and so Kroenke gives himself another £3 million. Can anyone on here defend that? any payment to Arsenal these days is just propping up a corrupt regime.

  94. Hiccup

    Sep 22, 2015, 8:18 #76182

    Good to see Jeremy Corbyn has signed the petition over Mike Dean. Friends in high places and all that. However, the rest of the Labour MP's have refused to follow suit! David Cameron has refused to sign the petition, but has backed for the game to be replayed, with a referee of arsenal's choice. And with the drinking ban of arsenal fans at Costa Coffee, things are starting to gather momentum.

  95. Made Up Stat

    Sep 22, 2015, 7:52 #76181

    So Silent Stan trousers another £3m. In the words of fellow Gooner John Lydon 'Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?'

  96. Daryn

    Sep 22, 2015, 7:50 #76180

    When defending why can't the big players pick up the attacking big players instead our small players pick up there big attacking players and our big players stay close together in the middle ball floats to the back post goal time and again that's not down to bad refs that down to our great manager who hasn't got a clue kids defend better than that lot take a look at West Ham they attacked the ball and had great shape they must work hard in training

  97. Complete idiots still defending the manager

    Sep 22, 2015, 1:29 #76179

    Complete idiots still defending the manager in the comments, oh and kosielny is pony, spot on their Kev, WENGER OUT OUT OUT

  98. Kube

    Sep 22, 2015, 0:13 #76178

    Absolutely spot on @GoonerRon. Nothing more to add...

  99. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 22:32 #76177

    John F, I bet it would be French Mustard.

  100. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 22:18 #76176

    jw, spot on, he'd have took a five game ban at the start on a couple of his players for another 3 points and getting another one over wenger and having another good laugh at him convulsing.

  101. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2015, 21:58 #76175

    Sergio Leone's A Handful of Costa would be a great movie. The only smoking guns would be his. Thuggish behaviour Sir! Blondie gets it twice! All this hand wringing is great entertainment. I love AKBs - pure comedy central. But Sir! Sirrrrrr! Run! here come the Spuds and the Foxes. But Sir! We were going to win the PL Sir?! ...... The good, The Bad and the 3 point Ugly ..... It's only a game. Loving the way Westie is putting his nightmare in Hiccup's lap. Lol!

  102. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2015, 20:36 #76174

    I am struggling to decide who I was most proud of on Saturday. Gabriel's flick of the leg right in front of the ref showed qualities of standing up for your team mates. But I think Kos gets my vote. After being blown over by a feather, the way he got back up on his feet straight away as if to say "was that your best shot" made Costa look daft. I really don't think Adams or Keown would have handled it any different b

  103. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 21, 2015, 20:34 #76173

    The three match ban for the snidey cheating Costa means nothing now as he should have been sent off in the first place, and none of the afters would have happened. However at least his actions should be monitored even closer from now on and maybe a Suarez type exit will happen. It doesn't matter who did what in the old days or recent times, cheating thuggery by anyone should be punished and with today's cameras less and less will get away from it. It was interesting to see Garth Crook's rant over Dean on BBC saying he was only interested in being the main show as well as Collymore calling Costa a snide too for his cheating attitude. But the anti disciples on here only want to fuel their hatred of the club by agreeing vehemently with each other.

  104. danny

    Sep 21, 2015, 20:19 #76172

    Wenger said we would win the PL in the next three seasons , roll on 2016/17 because all hope went with the summer transfer window. The only reason he wanted it to finish before the start of the season is because he knew all the others hadn't finished buying players and he knew damn well he wasn't going in for anyone else apart from the keeper. And by the way he is dragging the club through the gutter

  105. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2015, 19:55 #76171

    Dear Jamerson, your lack of football knowledge is showing again.Chelsea have never been a great club and AFC supporters expect better from our players - it comes with the teritory.Players like Eboue remember him, got stick off our supporters when they play acted to get opponents booked - my advice to you is to man up and get over it .The spuds are up next the Chelsea game is history so move on and give the the bleating a rest - you are embarrassing yourself again.

  106. John F

    Sep 21, 2015, 19:53 #76170

    Westie I hope you are not suggesting that some managers are dabbing mustard on players backside or making them drink pints of water before a match.Although there is evidence of Arsenal pulling up short before the finish.

  107. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 19:51 #76169

    Know man, fair comment, and certainly can't disagree, but i'd love to see if he'd be the same with another manager (and the same could be said of others) one who knows how to coach players properly and tactically and get them going, and get the best out of them etc, etc,.

  108. GoonerRon

    Sep 21, 2015, 19:45 #76168

    So on one hand we're a team of pussies and on the other we are admonished for not remaining in 'emotional control'. One on hand we like that Gabriel stuck up for a colleague and on the other we're told we're indisciplined and have x hundred red cards under Wenger. On one hand Costa is a 'streetfighter' and on the other he runs to the ref like a 4 year old girl when his leg is tapped. On one hand Koscielny is a pussy for not sticking up to Costa and on the other he did exactly what people say Gabriel was foolish for not doing. On one hand Costa is clever for getting Gabriel sent off and on the other we can't even acknowledge his cleverness was aided and abetted by rank poor officiating. On one hand we're told 'we would never have won with 11 anyway' and on the other the FA are admitting Chelsea should have been down to 10 after charging Costa with violent conduct. Can't do right for doing ****ing wrong on here.

  109. danny

    Sep 21, 2015, 19:42 #76167

    Every game Wenger loses it is his fault as he is supposed to be paid for winning and not losing matches although it makes me wonder sometimes. To not beat Chelsea under Mourinho in the PL is a shocking satistic for Wenger and Arsenal

  110. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2015, 18:36 #76166

    Mourinho won't be bothered about Cota getting a ban - he got 3 points again Off Wenger. The LC uses one game up and Costa was unlikely to have played in it anyway .

  111. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 21, 2015, 18:34 #76165

    Diego charged with violent conduct likely 3 game ban. Can all the whinging now end! Onwards to our next great defeat! Doh I mean victory

  112. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2015, 18:31 #76164

    @Hiccup, Look on the bright side as we're hogging the news headlines and restricting the mentions of mANCHESTER uNITED by 67%. He moves in mysterious ways! Wengers biggest crime is trusting the match officials to do their job. Surely one of the 4 officials must see what goes on? The TV companies marketing departments will ensure that the return game at the Emirates will set new viewing records. Honest Arsene v Guttersnipe Maureen. Good v Evil.

  113. Th14afc

    Sep 21, 2015, 18:21 #76163

    Hahaha costa you ugly little s hit,serves you right

  114. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 21, 2015, 18:17 #76162

    Know man - not really. Who bought him? Who's responsible for motivating him? Positioning him? Setting the overall tactics etc.? There's possibly a mathematical co-efficient out there for ratios of maanger and player responsibility, but I'm pretty sure le prof bears the lion's share of blame for players' under performance over longish periods of time. Moreover, picking on this or that player masks the fact that we're a declining and poorly run club (and that ain't Ozil's fault...)

  115. Know Man

    Sep 21, 2015, 18:08 #76161

    @MBG, the manager is half the problem, however, the players need to step up. Ozil is meant to be world class, I am yet to see this so called class that he has apparently blessed with. He's lazy, never performs, and is a luxury player that isn't even a luxury. Imagine a number 10 that does not even get goals. He's a total waste of space. And that my friend is his fault, not Wenger's.

  116. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2015, 17:46 #76160

    Curiouser & curiouser. Of the 3 sports I'm involved in, football is by far the most bent & dishonest. When you consider the other 2 are horse & greyhound racing that's saying something.

  117. Ron

    Sep 21, 2015, 17:39 #76159

    Well, Westie, perhaps they reckon that the gawky looking bloody idiot Gabriel joining into a half baked girlie skirmish, that wasn't his business as occurred between LK and Costa justifies them marking his card. He deserves it. He carried on a row to try and look like a tough guy. Hes far from it. Hes just a dumb looking kid who thought he d flex his muscles to boost his cred standing and to kick start his old enmities with Costa. AFC ought to fine him heavily, never mind the FA. As far as what Dean did, he didn't do much wrong. For all you and others bleating like sheep with tonsillitis every day over it, have you actually turned yr attention to ask yself what Costa actually did apart from annoy you in a game that Arsenal deservedly lost? I could only see his flailing hands that caught LK quite lightly. For what its worth i reckon Gabriel needn't have been sent off but for Dean to send him off wasn't an incorrect decision. LK could have been booked for his simulation (his salmon type back flip was the most pathetic ive seen for years) A better ref would warned them all and then waited until it kicked off big time so his red cards could then have been brandished unquestioningly. What you saw out there on Saturday was the result of AFC players not being 'together' and having an all for one and one for all mentality. Bunch of lightweights and Chelsea knew it would be that way and hooked them in easily. They are what the Manager has made them. Hes institutionalized them into his barmy methods.

  118. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2015, 17:11 #76158

    The FA have charged Gabriel with improper conduct. What happened to they can't charge a player when his offences have been dealt with by the ref in the shape of 2 yellows = red?

  119. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2015, 16:36 #76157

    You are right Ron it was old history between Gabriel and Costa that led Gabriel into accosting Costa .Dean with hindsight did the right thing in booking both the clowns for their handbags efforts but Gabriel had to carry on and paid the price. As for Cazorla's two yellows the first was for a cynical trip of the type that gets Westie worked up when Chelsea players do them and the second for a reckless tackle of the type that Wenger moans about and urges Refs to book players for .Anti-football. Tbh,all a storm in a tea-cup really and of just a convenient smoke-screen to try and cover for Wenger's 2-0 defeat to his nemesis Mourinho.

  120. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 16:28 #76156

    Know Man, it's not the prem league these players can't acclimatise to it's a past it manager who hasn't a clue how to get the best out of them, and with long out of date philosophies and ideas and hasn't a clue about tactics and how to combat other managers. Any other manager at our club worth his salt or with any clue and these players like others in the prem league would be up and running within weeks.

  121. jjetplane

    Sep 21, 2015, 16:28 #76155

    Costa did what his team needed to do in getting back to form. If they were still in swaggering mood then his game would have been different. JM plays to the strengths of his teams and Saturday called for an out of sorts striker to play his other card - that of arch villain. He played it so well he would go down a storm (see Lear) on the stages at Stratford. Gabriel (the foppish angel) played his part as tragi-clown to the t. This is what the PL audience wants to see and contrast the Costa carnival of the grotesque and the Walcott spin of the ineffectual and you see where all heads are turned. Back to other matters and Bilic's Hammers may well be the team to steal a PL title in the next three years in a manner such as A Madrid did. Their sublime purpose of possession is a joy to behold and Wenger might like to talk about cohesion but Bilic is the real deal and looks like a guy who never feels the job is done. Wenger thought it was all over in 2004 but greed or some stupid vision has kept him in a position which will turn out to have been one of the most wasteful decades in modern football for any club. Here's a stat for you - Spuds are currently the youngest side playing in the PL. I will leave the bitterness and the toy throwing to the AKbs. Reckon the Schoolboys section of the 60s was a tougher place than the Emirates is now ..... Two words: Peter Storey.

  122. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 16:12 #76154

    My good god we're talking infections from a scratch now, can these wengerites not hear themselves? (there's people who've been sectioned for less) is there no length their willing to go or depth their willing to sink in support of their messiah? Hiccup, your dead right mate they're all beyond help.

  123. Charles

    Sep 21, 2015, 15:51 #76153

    A red card for lifting your foot backwards with no force and not even making contact. The referee is a disgrace.

  124. Danny

    Sep 21, 2015, 15:47 #76152

    It’s a pity the talk of the game is the Costa/Paulista farce. We deserved what we got, because Chelsea were up for it and Arsenal makeup is just like their Manager – Mentally weak ! Don’t get me started on the lazy turk OZIL.-Useless The most important debate should be the mismanagement by Wenger during the summer. We all know we be in trouble if Coquelin gets injury , get a proper backup. A big Vieira type player and proper striker We have already fallen aside and Wenger needs to go.

  125. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 15:34 #76151

    SKG, great shout, proper men they were, not a pussy in sight, and did we hear George Graham embarrassing himself and the club and it's fans by ranting and raving and spitting making excuses? did we fook he showed real class as did his team.

  126. Know Man

    Sep 21, 2015, 15:33 #76150

    Into his 3rd season and we're still waiting for Ozil to aclimitise to the EPL. Meanwhile players like Alexis, the evil Costa, Hazard and now Marital take to it like a duck to water. I give up. Ozil needs to go, problem is, nobody wants him. We cannot play matches with 10 men, Ozil goes missing. He's never influenced a big match. He's a flop. Get your heads round it people'

  127. Tony Evans

    Sep 21, 2015, 15:01 #76149

    Hi Ron - too true, even our supposed 'hard man' Coquelin isn't exactly fearsome is he? Now he's injured it's that hard case Arteta taking the job, and the rest of the Premiership must be quaking in their boots! The chickens are coming home to roost again and by now Wenger must have enough to start his own poultry business - he's got 11 on the pitch to start with too!

  128. HowardL

    Sep 21, 2015, 14:46 #76148

    Arsenal may be 'pussies' - can't disagree compared to Adams, Keown etc - but rules is rules and Suarez got a 10 game ban for a bite that did not puncture the skin. A scratch that draws blood is even more serious from the potential infection angle. That's why players who are bleeding need to be taken off and wounds fixed.

  129. Ron

    Sep 21, 2015, 14:39 #76147

    Hi Tony. In my book Koschielny should have landed one on Costa. That idiot Gabriel was it seems chasing old spanish agendas with Costa and Costa knew it. He involved himself though as well as he clearly knows what a pussy Koschielny is. A good dig back on Costa would have set of a rumpus and there wd have been blue shirts walking then, possibly Costa being one of them. In my book, if you take red, then so do they. Preferably Koschiely shd have done nothing and then waited for his chance to go through Costa later on, maybe 10 mins or so and inflict some pain. The gormless Gabriel stopped the correct action being taken.This is where Keane was so good with Utd. Teams didnt f--k with Utd as they knew theyre would be a price to pay. We look at that Arsenal team for many years now and theres not one player to lose sleep over. Bunch of choir boys. Left to me i d have 11 villains in my teams.The opposition would fear even the Keeper!

  130. Hiccup

    Sep 21, 2015, 14:33 #76146

    A new all time low for arsenal fans with this petition. How cringeworthy! The AKB's have always been a total embarrassment, but at least it was kept in house on arsenal blogs. But now we are have overtaken the scousers with this 'always the victim' nonsense, and are now the laughing stock of the football world. It's not the physical aspect of Costa's game we have a problem with, but it's the mental wind ups? Honestly, is this coming from grown men? As Ron and others have said, it was pure handbags. From all concerned including Kos and his double somersault with pike. Some of the crap the AKB's write is mental torture, but we don't start petitions to have you sectioned. You've proved what I new along, that you're beyond help.

  131. Tony Evans

    Sep 21, 2015, 14:25 #76145

    Ron/SKG - not that I would condone it but why didn't Kocielny go down clutching his face and rolling around in mock agony - Costa would have been off, Gabriel wouldn't have needed to get involved (not that he needed to anyway) and we go in 11 players to their 10. Instead we end up with 10 and hand the initiative straight to Chelski. Naïve, weak and spineless sums most of our lot up (with the odd exception)not helped by a manager that isn't cute enough to see it. The Arsenal I grew up with in the late 60s and early 70s and right up to about 2006/07 could dish it out and look after themselves - and didn't I love 'em for it!

  132. Ron

    Sep 21, 2015, 14:08 #76144

    SKG - in any football match the defender holds the whip hand when it comes to dishing it out and exacting retribution don't they, due to the amount of time said forward has to have his back to them. A fwd cant grow eyes up his a--e basically. The poor excuses we employ as defenders missed many beats on Saturday and we lack a midfield grizzler to deal with these things. Any Coach will tell his team to rough Arsenal up, play at the edge of the rules, torment them, niggle them and why not? Its common knowledge they ll fold, bottle it, give up or a combo of all 3. Wenger and the Club ought to be as ashamed as many of us are of that teams proclivity to duck out when the going gets tough. If we ere going to have 2 off, lets have 2 of theirs off i say. Provoke the dust up, bring them in and make them suffer. We used to be great at it! Instead we meekly take it and have done for years, then have to listen to that fool of a Coach embarrass us further with his moans. The sad thing is how many still buy it. The Petition is just typical of todays society isnt it, demanding heads when theyve taken a slightest knock to their fragile pride egos. It all po faced disingenuous posturing really i reckon by a few who need to get out more.It ranks pathetically alongside a women s group demanding wolf whistling by white van men should be made a criminal offence!

  133. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 21, 2015, 14:07 #76143

    I would recommend to some of our faint hearted to watch the 93 cup final replay again. Watch how Bright flattens Andy Linighan's nose with a carefully placed elbow, AL never really a fans favourite, after treatment gets on with it, because he knows that what his manager expects. Not only did he play on for another 80 odd minutes he scored the winner and did not raise as much as a glance towards the instigator of his new look nose. Linighan's performance that night was what I was brought up to expect from an Arsenal player.

  134. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 21, 2015, 13:36 #76142

    The naivety of some of fans - you should read some of the strokes Ian Wright got up to to get one over his markers. His stunts happened with no referee's around or no witnesses to drop him in it. Why do you think people would call Steve Bould's early tackle from behind his "call card" My father used to say Bouldy gets away with it because he does it with a dead pan expression, you ask any past forwards what would upset them more a dry slap from Costa or a SB earthmover and they would settle for Costa tickle anytime. As for the Dean petition, who set that up Arsene Wenger!

  135. Tony Evans

    Sep 21, 2015, 13:35 #76141

    and don't get me started on zonal marking!

  136. Ron

    Sep 21, 2015, 13:22 #76140

    Jeff - it gives Wenger his source of excuses, youre right. Yr right also that it was 'handbags' really. Im not sure its good for Wenger though now. Its shown him and his team up for the pussies they are and that can only harm him. Hes nowhere really to hide now and i think he knows it. Hes running on fumes now on excusing the teams bottle jobs and that was just another on the week end.I think his safety net there is showing a few holes now, despite how people say hes bombproof. My worst fear though is that we have another dose of pomposity and high ideals foisted on us post Weng in the form Mr Henry, who must be one of the worst pundits ever to sit in a studio.

  137. Tony Evans

    Sep 21, 2015, 13:20 #76139

    The depressing sense of deja vu is overwhelming now with the catalogue of repeated failings and mistakes which are never learnt from endlessly growing. How many times now have we winced at players like (insert name * God knows what number) not played in their most effective position, or prayed for Wenger to toughen things up with some quality defensive midfield players. How many times have we despaired at the lack of aggression in the side or the number of chances that go begging? How many seasons now has the squad been wafer thin, where injuries leave us completely exposed? I could go on and on but what's the point - Wenger goes sublimely on, seemingly bullet proof - where even 8-2 and 6-0 thrashings barely even dent his inflated ego. If Arsenal weren't in my blood I would have turned my back on Wenger's regime years ago and I would wager most supporters of a certain age feel exactly the same way.

  138. Far far away fan

    Sep 21, 2015, 13:10 #76138

    Well said, Ron. Here's to hoping that we soon find a team of men donning Arsenal shirts and a coach with the stomach for a proper fight

  139. jeff wright

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:50 #76137

    Actually hapless Dean's antics are as others have said a blessing in disguise for Wenger and his fawning acolytes the AKB .They have helped to divert attention away from old Arsene's usual failings ( such as losing again to Mourinho) and anyone would think that Costa had broken some-one's leg instead of only winding them up mentally with a few little girlie cat-fight like scratches and a silly little flick in the face with his big hairy paw. The pained anguished facial expressions and bitchy name calling aimed at Costa by Gabriel -You puta! .. among them was amusing and confirms my view that it was all more of a girls type fight than a real man's one ... they were all big guys as well that were involved in the nonsense .You couldn't make it up.

  140. DJ

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:47 #76136

    The Chelsea game in isolation can be brushed off as one of those things, poor ref etc. But what can’t is our poor form since playing Ramsey out of position and Santi as a holding midfielder which he is not. Our best performance by a mile last season was Manchester City away with Coquelin and Ramsey in central midfield, Carzola in the hole behind Giroud with Sanchez and the Ox out wide. It is no coincidence our 42m pound man was missing. (Isn’t he always?) That coupled with Coquelin’s injury and our lack of activity in the transfer window means Wenger should be called to account before our 4th place dream disappears over the horizon………..

  141. Ron

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:42 #76135

    Far far away - Mate. What goes around comes around with the Costas of this World. Hes new. Hes a hark back to the past with his style though hes an angel compared to many of what went before. Players will deal with him in time. He ll be 'cured', mark my words. The events on the week end are a good thing and to be welcomed. Costas a fool. Hes showed the full extent of his hand now. Clubs and Managers made of far sterner stuff than the bellyaching Wenger and our team of midgets will have taken note. He ll be dealt with. The PL dont need to intervene. That would be destructive of football. Had we have had a team of men out there on the week end, there would have been an Old Trafford 1991 melee. Punches exchanged and yes, 2 or 3 players from either side wd have gone. That might have to happen with another Club. The problem last Saturday was Arsenals players cowardice, imbued in them by the week kneed coach. Teams reflect the Coach. Arsenal need to change the Coach. Only those deliberatly blinding themselves to it through false sentiment or those who are too daft cant see it.

  142. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:34 #76134

    Nick, you've just summed up the majority of games under OGL in the last eight years.

  143. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:31 #76133

    @Ron, No one has an issue with the physical footballer that is Costa. It's his wind up antics that people are objecting to. Only a pussy/coward/cheat would scratch or bite an opponent in an attempt to get them sent off. How would you have explained these dark arts to the 11 year old's you used to coach? Costa is hardly a good role model for kids. He has a flaw in his makeup & he needs punishing for it, otherwise he'll carry on regardless.

  144. PistolPete

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:29 #76132

    Haven't seen it mentioned yet but another pivitol moment in the game that actually changed the stat that matters, was another pathetic 'attempt to defend' a free kick. One conceded by silly play by Ramsey, handballing and putting us under pressure. Again not a wide free kick, same as vs West Ham, and again we leave acres in behind and totally expose Cech. Fancy allowing that target space for players like Cesc to exploit. It's criminal. I can't remember any other sides conceding in this manner this season, let alone twice. Also I'm quite bemused how our football gets so much praise. I actually find sideways passing, not creating any chances, quite boring to watch. Big changes needed.

  145. Gaz

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:28 #76131

    Hi mbg. This 'poll' I'm hearing about is just plain emarassing. I mean they're ripping into Dean because he cost us one game yet exonherating a man who's been to blame for many more defeats over six/seven years! As you say you really could not make this **** up...

  146. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:10 #76130

    Gaz, yes mate, someone came on here late last night saying they had signed a petition against dean (possibly the same one but maybe not) and not wenger, it made my night, I was going to go to bed but decided to have another beer instead, like I said then so much for the so called reputation of having class and showing it. You couldn't make it up.

  147. Gaz

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:09 #76129

    Good grief! Is it any wonder the better sides ride rough-shed all over us when you constanly hear our fans moaning and whinging about how unfairly treated poor old Arsene and his sides are? Makes us seem like a complete and utter bunch of pussies!!! Have you really not worked this out yet? When we had the likes of Keown, TA6, Dennis and Vieira-to name but a few in the side-we never complained about it because we just got on and dealt with it and gave just as good as we got! And guess what? We actually used to win the Title back then!...

  148. Far far away fan

    Sep 21, 2015, 12:00 #76128

    Ron- I agree with you about not learning lessons, but I absolutely want Costa to be punished for what he did. It is not the physical aspect of the game that he is displaying. He is mentally abusing his opponents and that simply cannot be tolerated. Drogba was an exponent of physically dominating his opponents and many of us begrudgingly admired him. But none of us ( at least I hope not) would ever admire Costa for bringing out the worst in people. That is absolutely criminal. And it just goes to show how low Chelsea fans can sink by singing his name

  149. mbg

    Sep 21, 2015, 11:56 #76127

    M f A, arrogance at the highest level way back then too, TOF really did/does think he's God, (thank God that's coming to an end) not great reading for those that think their lord and master is this great master tactician.

  150. Ron

    Sep 21, 2015, 11:19 #76126

    If Costa is dragged over the coals for his play on the week end, they may as well imnpose a blanket rule for football - no contact. Be done with it. Demote the game to the level of handball. Some of you demanding retribution from the FA about him need to look closely at yourselves or better still try looking closely at why AFC came up well short again v a better and more physically imposing team. Mike Dean ? Yes, a poorish ref. He s far from being alone. Hes not biased towards AFC any more than any others. Arsenal lost through poor preparation and through lacking the right type of players to handle a match of that gravity. We know this. Its happens EVERY season so some of you need to face up to the reality of it and stop looking for excuses and scapegoats.

  151. Far far away fan

    Sep 21, 2015, 11:15 #76125

    Until Wayne Bridge scored that winning goal in the 2004 Champions League (or was it 2003), we had a stranglehold over Chelsea; hadn't lost to them in a decade or something like that. I can't wait for us to be that dominant again. Bring on Klopp and his heavy metal!!!

  152. HowardL

    Sep 21, 2015, 10:53 #76124

    Again I'm not defending Wenger but Kelly, bullies must be called to account, in school, work and even the Premier League. The referee ignored the tactical bullying, he is therefore mostly to blame for the outcome and on the video evidence Costa should receive a 20 match ban for drawing blood and the game should be replayed - no chance!

  153. chris dee

    Sep 21, 2015, 10:50 #76123

    Message to Alexis Sanchez. It ain't gonna happen at Arsenal.If it were, then Fabrigas,Nasri,Clichy,Song and Van Persie would still be playing at the Emirates. Shame about the Costa/Paulista palarva because it deflected from the fact that we were never going to win that match even with 11 players and that we are not going to win the Premiership or Champions League. 6 games gone and Arsenal fans know the familiar routine from now until the end of the season.

  154. Red Member

    Sep 21, 2015, 10:47 #76122

    those 2 buys from Man United look good - Schneiderlin and Martial. would have been great additions to our team. I have a feeling that United will be winning the league again a lot sooner than us. That is because they have shown ambition, a word that appears to be no longer important at Arsenal

  155. Nick

    Sep 21, 2015, 10:37 #76121

    Lets get some perspective here, had we kept eleven on the field for the entire game would we still have lost ? We cannot know for sure but for me the game see to have all the hallmarks of a goalless draw, with ten it was only a matter of time before chelski scored, with nine defeat was assured. To simply say Costa did what Costa does is a cop out, his type of odious antics which are designed to get opponents red carded should be stamped out of the game, yes Gabriel reacted when he should have walked away but he is obviously passionate and after having his neck CLAWED by the scum that is Costa it is a wonder he didn't give the odious one an old fashioned right handed, Cazorla's second yellow was sheer rashness no complaints over that, but Mike Deans leniency to the likes of Ivanovitch who committed a series of fouls on Sanchez, most quite cynical for only one yellow, and the officials failure to see ANY of Costas transgressions is I'm afraid typical of his performances when officiating our games ( check out his record when refereeing us ) yes the controversy does paper over the deficiency's in our squad and playing style , also the tactical naivety of our manager, who I accept was hamstrung to a degree by Coquliens injury, yet there WERE steps he could have taken but did not much the same as when the positions were reversed vs Newcastle, he did nothing to take advantage of the situation, what would have been wrong with playing Ramsey in Le Coqs position taking off the innefective Ozil and the tightrope walking Cazorla and replacing them with Giroud and Chamberlain at HALF TIME, instead he waits till his usual appointed time to make such changes when again as usual the proverbial horse has already bolted from the proverbial unlocked stable. So to sum up unacceptable behaviour from Chelsea, and being kind piss poor refereeing from Dean, and no tactical acumen from our manger aligned with poor self discipline from our players , resulted in a defeat rather than the draw the game seemed set for ! On to Wednesday and a small matter of a trip to tenements of our odious neighbours, another defeat there no matter the team our hapless boss picks will sour the already mouldy stew this season and past few days have become !!

  156. Croker

    Sep 21, 2015, 10:27 #76120

    Kev - West Brom were awarded a 3–0 win and the 3 points by the Football League following that ploy by Colin Wanker for Shef Utd. Probably not a good idea of yours but liked the rest of your article.

  157. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 21, 2015, 10:14 #76119

    Jamie son - given, as you say, that these tactics are nothing new and that it's been going on for 15 years, why the f*** does your hero keep falling into their trap? Doesn't it trouble you, even slightly, that you and I can see this problem but our so-called manager cannot? Wouldn't you be able to come up with a strategy to sort it out if you were on 8 million a year and had nearly 200 million sitting in the bank? I think you may be coming over to the light side. Stop blaming neville, maoninho, costa and uncle tom cobley - the buck stops with highly remunerated wenger. You sound like a playground cissy for failing to point the finger in the right direction. If it helps, try to see wenger as one of your failing wage slaves and you are the owner...

  158. Mathew

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:39 #76118

    Westlower : Chances of winning a game against Mourinho is almost null, as we haven't experienced it yet in a competitive game so even a man down wont make a difference. Because our attacks are toothless and our players are sub par. A combined version of Giroud and Walcott is what we needed, pace and hold-up play. An interesting piece from a group of Chelsea fans who I was debating with after the game said "Its in the club's philosophy that we need to win, ugly is just a word". One of them even said that it matches with their life's philosophy too, and that's the reason they follow Chelsea.

  159. Far far away fan

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:33 #76115

    I agree with all of you that blame Wenger for the stagnation at the club. But I got the feeling yesterday, until the red card, that we could have stolen a win. Walcott was getting in behind them (most were offside, but one was bound to be a good run) frequently. Even though he didn't do much, just like in the Stoke game, he was bound to have put one away. And our defense was holding tight. Gabriel, hot-headed as he is, is a good defender. Bellerin was a little weak, but got back to make amend. Even when we went down to 10 men, we didn't allow Chelsea to create any clear cut chances. I still believe that another manager with a sterner disposition can instill this squad with the belief to lift titles.

  160. Captain Frank

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:33 #76117

    Well said Howard. Wenger has many faults and I’d rather we had someone else in charge, but there are some on here who can’t see past their hatred of him. There were people blaming him for not preparing the players for Costa’s inevitable antics, yet he was quoted as saying the players had all been warned not to get involved which is why he was critical of Gabriel for doing so. Once they cross that line, he can only do so much and the players need to take some responsibility. Please people, take off your blinkers and see the full picture. I’m not saying there wasn’t plenty of other things wrong with our approach and play which Wenger is at fault for and I certainly don’t assume we’d have won had Costa been sent off and Gabriel stayed on the pitch, but to blame him for everything belies the good sense which I assume all Arsenal supporters have.

  161. Mathew

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:27 #76116

    Absolute mockery of running a club, and we continue blaming oil barons and russian chavs. With Coq out for a month, Welbeck out for the season, Giroud banned and no cover in CB, we are out of our season in a month ! Its a disgrace to the club of this stature not to adapt to the progressing world of football, rather basking in the glory of golden days. A note to Kev : I always thought you are from the AKB's, that's a fresh line from you.

  162. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:13 #76114

    If Costa had been sent off before the Gabriel incident kicked off, would Arsenal's chances of winning the match increased or decreased? Would Maureen have looked so smug if his ace 'wind up' merchant had been sent off? Maureen is quite happy to take the game into the gutter as long as he keeps getting his massive ego massaged.

  163. Far far away fan

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:11 #76113

    Bloody hell!!! I really hope Chelsea don't turn their season around now. I can't digest the injustice of it all. While I can't wait for Wenger to leave (or be forced out) the club, I'm praying for physical harm to befall Mourinho. A boot in his face from perhaps.

  164. HowardL

    Sep 21, 2015, 9:01 #76112

    Sorry guys, I can't accept these 'we wouldn't have won at Chelsea even with 11 men'. Football is a 'funny old game'as someone once said - Man City 1 West Ham 2 anyone? What is certain is that we cannot beat Chelsea with 10 men, let alone 9. It may well be time for Wenger to go - poor team selection, bad tactical decisions, lack of use of transfer funds - but that does not justify blaming the man for everything Arsenal that goes wrong.

  165. Tony Evans

    Sep 21, 2015, 8:39 #76111

    Peter Wain - I was just about to add my two penneth but noticed you have had summed my feelings perfectly so don't need to bother!

  166. Westlower

    Sep 21, 2015, 8:37 #76110

    I suspect Arsenal may still have received a red card(s) whoever the ref was. The away team usually get more red cards due to pressure on the match officials by the home crowd. Would Costa have displayed the same antics at the Emirates & got away with it? His early dive when he tried to get Coq booked and his late kick out at OX was enough for two yellow cards, never mind the Kos & Gabriel incidents.

  167. Made Up Stat

    Sep 21, 2015, 8:10 #76109

    In a parallel universe Mike Dean's Arsenal won a tempestuous match away to Chelsea despite some awful refereeing decisions by Mr Arsene Wenger (who fortunately for the spectacle had to retire early from officiating due to an injury).

  168. Mark T

    Sep 21, 2015, 8:04 #76108

    Sums the game and situation up perfectly. Groundhog Day it certainly is.

  169. Peter Wain

    Sep 21, 2015, 8:02 #76107

    We can blame dean all we like but we did not play well and would not have won the game with 11 men. We may not have lost it but I cannot see how we could win it. Two big games against CHelski and Liverpool and we were second best in both totally destroying OGL's decision not to compete in the transfer market. We desparately need another defensive midfield player a striker and a decent centre half and Wenger should be sacked for his inability year after year to recognise the deficiencies in the squad.

  170. HowardL

    Sep 21, 2015, 7:05 #76106

    Have all you guys who blame Wenger for not 'preparing his team for Costa (whose autobiography is 'The Art of War') NEVER reacted under severe provocation? In any case, Kos was over-prepared and had K reacted to the 'chest butt' Costa could have gone then - probably, as it course it was Mike Dean reffing. PS I am NOT a Wenger supporter: his team selection in Zagreb was a disgrace and terribly naive for someone so experienced in the Champions League. It's just that I take each game as it comes...

  171. Gaz

    Sep 21, 2015, 6:14 #76105

    Wake up to news there's an online poll to rid the game of Mile Dean because a bunch of fans make him responsible for losing to Chelsea. Hmm, just how many times has Wenger's crap managing been responsible for lots of other defeats/crap performances!!!...

  172. Adam

    Sep 20, 2015, 23:34 #76104

    The ref, injuries, suspensions, early kick offs, the weather, the lengh of the grass. We cant keep rationalizing Wengers failures. With Coquelin out for a month, and with Theo and Giroud both struggling, it has highlighted the two positions that fans were pleading to be adressed. Yet Wenger had that smug ‘I got this’ attitude and basically laughed off concerns. Well as it is, the fans were right and Wenger was wrong. We face a uncertian month ahead, worrying if Arteta can make a tackle or Giroud and Walcott can score the goals. May as well play Bielik. Surely Arteta cant play, as he isnt a defensive midfielder. He may well try to be, but the harsh reality is he stops nothing. Our club captain is a total liablity and fans wince whenever they see him on the pitch. Why does everything have to be a dogs breakfast with Wenger?

  173. N4

    Sep 20, 2015, 23:08 #76103

    I was on the southbound Victoria line and I saw Palace all back 4 and including the keeper sitting down on the tube and hour and a half after the game heading south! The all looked pissed off and not talking to each other. People on the tube were taking pictures and you could hardly get a smile from them. I later realised why they were on the tube in the first when my friend told me that the let only 1 (ONE) soft goal in!!! Now you can say what you want, but I take my hat off Pardew and he has my full respect...if only we could see the same at Arsenal...although, my guess is the whole team would have been on the tube!!!

  174. Noodles

    Sep 20, 2015, 23:06 #76102

    Can someone tell me who that wanker ex Chav player was who gave us two fingers at half time on his lap of honour was? Sums up Chelsea FC perfectly

  175. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2015, 23:01 #76101

    Great article in the bleacher report about Wenger. Highlights include only bringing in video analysis last year, not thinking about any plan to deal with Barcelona in the final till final 24 hours and outmoded training sessions. Read it and weep!

  176. Roy

    Sep 20, 2015, 22:55 #76100

    Just a footnote here as the rest has already been said. Yes we may have got a result if not for the officials ineptitude, but I didn't see anyone other than Gabriel and Coq demonstrate how much they really, really f*****g hate losing. But maybe that's just me. Considering those two will be missing for the immediate future it doesn't bode well does it ? Oh, I almost forgot. Since Wenger didn't see Costa's shenanigans coming, I wonder if he has any plans for a certain Mahrez, the leagues current form player ? No, thought not.

  177. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 22:46 #76099

    So there's a petition against the ref (it's not to hard to know where that came from)i thought i had heard it all, so much for having class and doing things the right way.

  178. JackL

    Sep 20, 2015, 22:35 #76098

    I've just come on line and am writing this before I read all the above comments so apologies for repetition. Mike Dean is dreadful, has been biased against Arsenal for years and I knew there would be trouble as soon as I saw it was him. He helps us in the odd match against weak opposition but always counters that in big matches. I have just signed the petition against him. Yesterday's game was a poor show in my view with 11 then 10 then 9 men-it made no difference. Basically we can't create 'on target' opportunities any more and it's been like that for a good while. To think that AW thought we would 'get away with it' on Wednesday was just so naive as we lost both anyway. This was the worst Chelsea team for a long time and if we only could have taken the game to them I'm sure we would have got a positive result. I'm now gonna read the above comments. Please Mr Wenger it must be time....

  179. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 22:26 #76097

    First blame the ref and if that doesn't work move on to the linesman, that would be right, who's next.

  180. Gaz

    Sep 20, 2015, 21:59 #76096

    Of course the ref was ****ing useless and of course Costa's a complete and utter cnut. We always seem to find a way of losing to our rivals and a mourinho led chelsea though and this was no different. Thankfully for Wenger's army of fans they don't need to invent an excuse this time as the ref handed them one on a plate. Simple fact is though our defending for the first was awful and Gabriel-who's fighting spirit is to be admired-was completely stupid to lash out right in front of the ref. Of course in days gone by we might well have drawn or even won a game like this but sadly whenever we go down to ten men now we just accept we're going to lose. Losing Coquelin to the injury most of us feared just rounded off another miserable day under Wenger's management...

  181. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 20, 2015, 21:48 #76095

    mbg, you really are a piece of work, just like your heroes Costa and Mourinho, cut from the same cloth that adorns your cheeks. Bard, Arteta was resigned for a year and Flamini is also in the squad. Unless one or both had been sold the cover is right there. If not then Chambers could also play that role, plus Hayden has also been used there too. If that doesn't appeal to you then remember the Coq was returned from his loan when Arteta was injured last year and has been one of our most reliable players. Time for someone else to stand up and be counted.

  182. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 21:27 #76094

    Th14afc, i'm glad to see that has struck a chord, that's my point, he was doing a stand up act, (right from when he first walked on to the pitch) and the press was loving it, and so was Jose adding to it by winding him up even more by waiting for him to come out(and that was plain to be seen with his tap on the hand for a handshake)and in his interview, and your messiah was falling for it hook line and sinker through out,(like he always does) instead of showing some decorum and self respect and batting the questions away for a six and acting all superior with his usual sly grin,(like he always does) instead of doing a mini Keegan(and as someone has already mentioned remembered what/who he's supposed to stand for and represent) and take it like a man (remember he's not the first manager this has happened to and won't be the last and it certainly won't be the last time for him just like it wasn't the first) and not let himself down and more importantly the club and it's proper fans, by ranting and raving and acting like a poor hard done wet behind the ears manager who thinks he's God and knows it all when it's obvious to all he's neither, or anything of the sort.

  183. Bard

    Sep 20, 2015, 21:27 #76093

    Colseyboysetc; come on mate that was feeble. Lashing out at the site and those who post is evidence that you are as f***** off at the rest of us. The wobs didnt send Gabriel off, nor Santi. We didnt get Coq injured. Although we come at this from different sides, you know your football, explain to me why we should continue to support this regime and why we have £200m in the bank but dont think the side needs strengthening. How many posters have said that the Coq will get injured and then what !!!

  184. Westlower

    Sep 20, 2015, 20:48 #76092

    @JJ If Martial was that good against Arsenal why was he substituted in both matches? As early as the 59th minute in Monaco when their bums started to twitch. Why take the star man off when we only leading 1-0 & 2-3 down on aggregate at that point? @Ho Hum, I actually thought Mike Dean had a decent game except he bottled making the right decisions when Costa was involved. It was never two penalties that Maureen was wailing over, MD got that spot on. He obviously never saw Costa strike Kos, nor did he see Gabriel kick Costa but he was pressured by cry baby Costa to ask his linesman. Shame the lino's didn't inform MD about Costa's deliberate swinging arm into Kos's face.

  185. Brigham

    Sep 20, 2015, 20:39 #76091

    Turn the clock back to September 2003, Old Trafford. That WAS team spirit and fighting for each other and the cause. This bunch of prima donnas don't have a clue how to fight or look out for each other.

  186. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2015, 20:34 #76090

    MBG - very subtle last post . Love it!

  187. Th14afc

    Sep 20, 2015, 20:19 #76089

    Mgb- what the f uck did u expect wenger's mood to b in the post match press conference?we'd just been robbed by the thug costa and useless mike dean,wenger isn't exactly going to be doing a stand up act in the post match interview is he....typical mourinho lover

  188. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 20:08 #76088

    Jamerson, good lad, you've managed to see and distinguish the difference (a lot still can't) you've made it, well done, it took a bit of time but your there, you see there is one, between arsene fc and Arsenal FC, i'd buy you a pint anytime, we just have to get the rest of them on board now, what's left off them anyway and we can move on and be Arsenal and have our club back again.

  189. DW Thomas

    Sep 20, 2015, 19:50 #76087

    Been time for a new man in charge for years now. We get 3 red cards in two back to back games, this lot? And why didn't anyone let Costa have a crunching tackle second half? Not to injure him, but let him know how pissed off they were. I like Gabrielle so far, but he was really naive. Where was our captain? Where was Kos? This team has been a bunch of overpaid prima donnas for some time. We could have won that game with 11 men. Sanchezs form is worrying. Ozil too. Everyone was lackluster. When Coq went off, we were done for. We need a coach who instills some fight, some swagger. I can't stand Costa, but he is a tough opponent. We scare no one. And Theo and Giroud just failed in a big game again!!! This club, manager, players never ever learn. Then look at young Martial for United! Why don't we ever find those top notch players? We get the likes of Campbell and Sanogo, or Park. Same old same old.

  190. jeff wright

    Sep 20, 2015, 19:36 #76086

    Howard,Wenger is NEVER to blame for anything .At least according to himself that is... You make some good points about technology being needed to help hapless match officials but remember it is a two edged sword and some of our own players such as Gabriel are no Angels themselves. As things stand now though we have to live in the world that is and not in an imaginary one in which pantomime villains such as Costa always get their just desserts .Taking account of that fact I can't see how Wenger could not have prepared our players properly to face the provocation that so obviously would,and did,arrive from Costa lot during the game. I say game rather than match because Chelsea looked a bit better than us and even before the sending first sending off were on top in the game.Wenger doesn't as we know only too well take account of opponents tactics and personal and that is why he lost the last two games - it's down to him and not the match officials because there was no need for Gabriel to give the ref ,who was having a home-town type game, to make a home-town decision .Beckham got sent of against Argentina in a World Cup game once for a silly big girls blouse type kicking out - refs see these things as being a challenge to their authority even if the kicks are innocuous. As the ref did not have the benefit of replays regarding the Kos incident and it all looked two of one and one of another in real time it is pointless to compare this with the obvious provocative kick that Gabriel did on Costa right in front of the whistle-blower .There was never any need for Gabriel to even get involved anyway and he should be fined a months wages. Same with Santi he was on a yellow card but still went recklessly flying in on Fabregas it was a booking so there can surely be no complaints about that - even a replay would not have changed things! So basically what I'm saying Howard is that Wenger got things wrong in not taking account of the Costa provocation scenario, it's not as though this is unknown and our players should have been able to handle it.It's not rocket science for managers to warn their players to not get involved with cretins like Costa. Only a fool of a manager would leave it to the players to handle as they thought or did not think,best.

  191. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2015, 18:56 #76085

    colseyboy- quite correct the site is full of non supporters of......Arsene Wenger. The clowns I keep on bumping into around here are Jamerson Balls the size of a gnat and a coward, plus you the man waiting in vain in some pub trying to buy pints for other grizzled Wengerists (losers). Bad result against Leicester and it really will get interesting !

  192. HowardL

    Sep 20, 2015, 18:42 #76084

    I was appalled by Wenger's team selection in Zagreb but yesterday was completely different and I cannot see exactly why everyone feels he was so much to blame for yesterday. Am I the only person on this site who thinks that we were extremely hard done by yesterday. This game highlights the urgent need for video evidence, or at minimum the opportunity for the 4th official to give a decision based on TV reruns; in which case Costa would have been sent off for his disgraceful fouls and antics and Arsenal would at least have stood a chance. Of course Chelsea are improving but there is go guarantee they would have won had justice been done. Suarez got a 10 game ban for a bite that never even broke his opponent's skin - how many games will games will Costa get for scratching Gabriel? Three games at most - probably nothing. The result is such a distortion that I would even go as far as suggesting that the game should be replayed.

  193. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 18:40 #76083

    jj, now don't dare start complimenting other clubs and their players you know how the wengerites don't like that, they think there's none like the ones their messiah has assembled, they'll be all over you, well as soon as we win again they will.

  194. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 18:27 #76082

    Hiccup, 80501, things like that don't matter to some, and the fact that he missed his train from Stansted and had to cycle home on a penny farthing.

  195. Ron

    Sep 20, 2015, 18:22 #76081

    Hiccup - if i have to pick you up on this again, there's trouble afoot. These journeys of which you rightly speak are Westie speak 'grueling' journeys in Arsenals context don't forget. Not just 'journeys'. They're for other Clubs. That doesn't drive the travel, tiredness and fatigue excuse home good and hard enough. Please try and remember.

  196. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 17:49 #76080

    jj, spot on, Mourinho owned and had TOF in his back pocket right from the very start, even standing there waiting for him to come out to offer his hand in public(something I've no doubt TOF delays on purpose in order to avoid having to do especially with someone he knows is superior and better than himself, pathetic) leaving him no choice or else to look even more low class than he is, and did you see the effort? a tap of the hand and couldn't even look Mourinho in the eye, (and to think someone has already posted Arsenal should always do things with more class, and remember who you are and represent) instead looking the other way not much class there, real low class, with Mourinho walking away smiling tapping his back pocket.

  197. Bob

    Sep 20, 2015, 17:34 #76079

    Anti-Gooner: I presume that was a typo, and you actually meant "this Club" rather than "this site".

  198. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 20, 2015, 17:32 #76078

    This site is riddled by non supporters and run by a clown.

  199. Hiccup

    Sep 20, 2015, 17:31 #76077

    No one on here willing to cut Mike Dean any slack? No one seems aware that he officiated a Europa Cup game last week in Tel Aviv. A 3,562 mile round trip (as the crow flies) that probably explains his poor performance yesterday? Totally overlooked. When our referees officiate in Europe, the following weekend in the PL, Man Utd have a win rate of 62%, Chelsea 57%, City 53%, and guess what, Arsenal 27.5%. Just what does that tell you? God knows? But there's a valid excuse in there somewhere?

  200. jjetplane

    Sep 20, 2015, 17:14 #76076

    Wenger is just always so right. Especially when it comes to 'stagnant transfer markets.' I mean this Martial kid (who tore through Wenger's pups last season) is scoring for fun already. Never mind, Theo reckons Arsenal are blessed to have him as he can play anywhere upfront. And then the Spuds go and beat palace and seem to have more attacking options now their big time neighbours. Carry on moaning. Yak Yak!

  201. jeff wright

    Sep 20, 2015, 17:04 #76075

    It looks as if LVG bought a gem in Martial he is a proper striker quick and deadly in the finish - a touch of the young Anelka's about him - without the sulks . The Glazers will not mind having spent big bucks to buy him if United get a top 3 spot with the 4th place qualifier place looking likely to go to Seria A next term.

  202. Ho Hum

    Sep 20, 2015, 16:52 #76074

    Westlower- I'm assuming those are the same carefully selected post-2008 stats quoted by Wenger's disciples and toady journos the world over. Because in the first (coincidently) 25 Arsenal games that Dean officiated between 2000 and 2008 we won 16, drew 7 and lost a mere 2. Hardly implies a predisposed bias against Arsenal, does it? Actually it suggests the complete opposite, but as I said to someone else the other day, when do AKBs ever let perspective or the truth get in the way of a good excuse, eh?

  203. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 16:51 #76073

    MARCUS, in answer to your question mate, it's called Arrogance.

  204. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 16:33 #76072

    Paul, and he was still laughing and joking in the post match interviews.

  205. CT Gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 16:22 #76071

    I for one detest costa's antics. As for sending him off, that for me should have happened after his challenge on AOC. Second yellow, then red. Not sure what Kos was thinking, he he'd costa's hands on his face and got slapped, stayed up fighting, but then a chest bump put him down? Why not go down initially and force the officials to make the right decision? Get Costa on a yellow and the tactics will change. Not sure we'd had a shot at that point, or whether Ozil was still in London! Here's the issue though, "1-0 to the Arsenal" did not happen because we were always fair, no, we knew when sleeves needed rolled up and things needed to get hard and dirty. Costa's the type we should have been chipping away at all game, but unfortunately that not this teams game. Incidentally, what is this teams game???

  206. Ron

    Sep 20, 2015, 16:01 #76070

    Ha ha. Hiccup, yes the Hammers fans must feel an enormous sense of anti climax learning of that stat! Oddly enough, on Hammers, Noble has always been a player i d have had at the Arse. No frills, but good control, hard tackler and never bottled a match in his life. He has got some 'mental strength'. A guy like him would have smacked Koschlelney in the face himself the other night had he have spotted our great brave defender, closing his eyes and shying out of headers v Zagreb. I don't see much of that with the 11 yr olds i used to coach. SKG - Yes, the Doog for sure. Yr right too re Summerbee. Good as he was he could wrestle and elbow with the best. Recall seeing John Talbut the old W B Albion CH taking a few liberties, between wrestling matches with MS at Maine Road one day when i was there, until he went off clutching a few of his teeth (without complaint i might add).

  207. jeff wright

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:59 #76069

    Agree with you Bard the AKB's ,especially dear Jamerson , need to man up and stop bellyaching .Consecutive defeats in our last two games were as predictable under Wenger with his weak laissez faire type management as was the usual win at home to Stoke. It's all deja vu every season with Arsene . All oh so predictable.( Yawn)

  208. Peter Wain

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:54 #76068

    Quite agree about smacking Costa. As Gabriel was all ready sent off he had nothing to lose. OGL has really had a mare in both games. When we were level we did nothing to suggest we could score and when we were down t 10 men it was always a case of when not if. Need to do some serious work if we do not want to lose four matches on the spin. Sanchez and Ozil are both out of sorts and the midfield is pretty sterile. Once again injuries are raising their head and OGL is being made to look even more foolish than usual in his lack of signing. A pretty bleak outlook for playing the scum this week and it is difficult to a see a result a Leicester. The management must change.

  209. Hiccup

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:39 #76067

    What's really grating the AKB's is the midweek travel excuses that were at the ready have been put on the back burner. They need to get in as many excuses when the opportunity arises, and Mike Dean's showing would have been better saved for another day. Maybe the travel exertions in the week caused deep vein thrombosis in Gabriel's leg which caused it to flick out?

  210. RedPig

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:30 #76066

    Westlower - maybe Mike Dean simply gets to ref more of the big games we play in? And as our record in those in recent seasons is very poor it gives a distorted statistic? I have seen stats before about our win rate when Mike Dean has been the ref but I cannot actually think off the top of my head of any other controversial decisions he has made that has cost us a game.

  211. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:26 #76065

    Kenny : great point about Palace playing with real width, if we had started with Wally out wide left and Ox wide right at least you would have felt some thought had gone into our line up. Ron : Sammy Morgan and Andy Lockhead and I would throw the "Doog" in for good measure, however still does n't top Mike Summerbee, the back four would need counselling after playing against "Mad Mike" for ninety minutes!

  212. Bard

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:11 #76064

    Why all the handwringing. Chelsea won 2-0 and beat us for umpteeth time. Where is the surprise ? There is very little point in carping at the critics. Its a results game. So what Mike Dean had a mare. These ABKs need to grow a pair and stop making excuses. There isnt a conspiracy, the bare facts are we are not good enough. We never were even before the season started. Good article Kev. A loss to the Spuds in the context of the week we have just had might constitute a crisis. Glad we have Arteta as back up if Coq fails to recover.

  213. Joe tee

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:11 #76063

    Well, what is new from Wenger and Arsenal

  214. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:09 #76062

    One Rule for the Chavs : You don't get it - Costas antics were a pre planned tactic by manager and team and it worked, it not only got one player sent of it got two players shown a red, it's what JM does - it is why he wins major trophies!

  215. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:05 #76061

    It's going to be a long hard run up to Christmas with this team. Le Coq now out for a month, Sanchez out on his feet and desperately short of attacking options. Expect Wenger to buy in January to save his job. He only buys when he's under pressure.

  216. PerryG

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:05 #76060

    We have £193m in the bank, that's the main thing for this 'club' now

  217. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2015, 15:00 #76059

    One rule for the chavs- I presume an Arsene rather than an Arsenal supporter. As I said before your ilkwill be wondering around lost when he finally goes. Whilst we can carry on supporting Arsenal

  218. Westlower

    Sep 20, 2015, 14:59 #76058

    Mike Dean has officiated 25 Arsenal games of which we've won 6, a 24% win rate. In this same period Arsenal have a 57% win rate. His record picks up for Man City with a 56% win rate, CFC 55%, Man U 48%.

  219. Hiccup

    Sep 20, 2015, 14:25 #76057

    Ron, you've just got to laugh at the West Ham fans. They're all in good spirits travelling back from Manchester under the impression they've won, only to be told as they get off the coach the 28% possession statistic. Can you imagine the deflation they must have felt. City fans taking the p!ss out of them now big style. And rightly so!

  220. RedPig

    Sep 20, 2015, 14:20 #76056

    Good report as always Kevin and some great comments. IUFGN, Ron, mgb in paericular. For me we did suffer an injustice with the Costa thing yesterday but what angers me far more is that I saw no sense of injustice in how the players responded. Where was the determination to see justice done? At one time our team would have shown character to get something against the odds from that situation. Nowadays you know they will just accept an inevitable defeat and constantly whinge about it afterwards. Things like this mean I feel no pride in the current Arsenal. It 100% Wengers club now and it has totally taken on Wengers characteristics. As mbg rightly says he needed to go several years ago. Its shameful (almost laughable) how long he has remained in charge making the same mistakes over and over. The club is one with a history and tradition that is far bigger than an individual like Wenger. How the hell is he still here?

  221. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2015, 14:16 #76055

    Kenny- I am convinced that public opinion will do for Wenger unless he works a miracle he bass screwed up big time 2015 - 2016 and even the supine AST will probably denounce extending contract. This then leaves Arsenal board with an embarrassment . At that point they will promote the old incompetent bastard to the board. At least we can then breathe

  222. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 14:07 #76054

    I still think last week's retaliatory slap at a Stoke player by Gabriel was the catalyst for JM tactics, make no mistake Costa just did exactly what his boss told him and as Oliver Holt wrote "the reason JM adopts these tactics against Arsenal is because they work" I look for a one liner to describe the demise of my team, like Arsene has feminised our club but that is so unfair on Ladies Football - the girls would never fall for stunts like yesterday, they are far too savvy and professional. Then I recall the pub landlord, Al Murray, when he said "the one thing about the French is, they love a good defeat" but that is not fair on past players like TH, Petit, Paddy and bless him Mr Robert "football" Pires. No my one liner now is "It's the dopey fans for turning up every season and accepting this blatant destruction of one of football's finest institutions" that gets me through the day. It is certainly not Wenger's fault, he's does what he wants with the club and is untouchable, as long as the cash and the fans roll in, it is job done. Only a huge drop in attendance will change the status quo - I did my bit 6 years ago, now what about the rest of you?

  223. jjetplane

    Sep 20, 2015, 14:02 #76053

    Arse4ever The mighty Hammer's 28% possession has made a bigger mark this season than Arsene's decade of sideways passing in a virtual cone world. I know irony is difficult for you Arsenebrand supporters but have another look at JM waiting for your pre-disgruntled master to make his miserable entrance. Football is to be enjoyed and suffered in turns. Are you new to the game? Newsflash/stat: 109 red cards under Wenger's reign of petulance and 200m in the offshore bank and the Spuds are looking for a slice now ..... Bilic is God!

  224. Ron

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:47 #76052

    Hiccup - i can see where you're going by asking for that pass count. We won that game yesterday didn't we really?

  225. Hiccup

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:37 #76051

    That reminds me. Does anyone have the completed pass count stats up to the sending off?

  226. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:25 #76050

    Did you see the two post match interviews? the difference in them? Mourinho owned the room, had everybody in stitches (including himself) see the way he owned one of the journo's and put him down with the badminton quip? and had the rest of the journo's laughing at him? and then went on his merry way to watch the Rugby still laughing and the room laughing with him, while TOF just sat there with a face like a battered fart, poor hard done by wenger ranting and raving, spitting and whinging and the journo's sitting there tittering and laughing allowing him, and then owning him by keeping him going with the right questions so he'd rant and rave some more, then when they had enough of the comedy show allowed him to leave with a big red face to go and watch Ligue 2, what an embarrassment.

  227. radfordkennedy

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:24 #76049

    Mental strength..esprit de corp...laying your body on the line,time after time...with no other thought than you will win...Well Done Japan!!...as far as were concerned we fell into a well laid trap,far too many players went AWOL again,same old cowardly performance from the show ponies.

  228. Arsenal4ever

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:12 #76048

    jj, your lack of any football knowledge is highlighted by your approval of West Ham 's possession football yesterday. 28%. Now it's the Hammers, next Watford, maybe West Brom the week after. Back to Leicester. The ultimate kid who supports the winning teams as he sees fit.

  229. jeff wright

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:12 #76047

    Kos has 'starred' in all of our worst defeats under Wenger and is too small to be a Prem CB. The last ditch desperation tackles the he is infamous for are down to his allowing opponents to get past him. Kevin is right Kos has never worked out how to play the off-side line and is useless on high crosses. It's no coincidence either that we have conceded goals in our last two away games to headers on set pieces. Next up Harry Kane - so then how does 'top centre back' Kos get on against him ...oh !

  230. Hiccup

    Sep 20, 2015, 13:07 #76046

    So before yesterday, West Brom were the only team not to have taken anything off Chelsea. A great statistic used by the AKB's to distract from wengers woeful transfer season and lethargy on the pitch (excluding Stoke where we played out of this world football). Even critical chelsea fans exclude the arsenal results in their measurement of the team, as that is a given. So I expect the p!ss taking against Chelsea to continue, as now only relegation fodder West Brom and the hapless arsenal have failed to take points off Chelsea. Better to laugh at Chelsea than accept our own deficiencies.

  231. jjetplane

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:49 #76045

    So as opposed to being a big Arsenal fan dear old WESTIE is really only in it for a bit of online betting. As was suggested the Hammers are on their way to being the best and biggest club in London. Why any of the players would want to trade places I don't know. Think the financial penny will drop with the Yank when he gets no big offers for Ozil, Ramsay, Jack, Alexis who are all grinding to particular halts in Wenger's world of anti-football. Looking at the fixtures are there any easy games up til November? Onward ans upwards with Giant slayers (Hammers) and come back kings (Foxes). Oh and some entertainment in the big tent from LVG and JM. Hammers to win the PL? Not so laughable when you see Wenger's performance over the last revealing decade. By Xmas there will not be an aKb left. Great report Kev and respect for being brave on the Wenger Out front. Shows you care but leg breaking belligerence is a no-no and well out of character for you. Costa played a quite unique blinder yesterday and perhaps the most shameful performance yesterday could be shared between Wenger and Ozil. These two should be in Softball not football. No doubt they will both end up in the States milking it in time. Ozil and his dogs on Laguna Beach ....

  232. Torbay gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:43 #76044

    Costa should have gone absolutely and Gabriel should not have given the spineless Dean a reason to send him off. However, even when we were 'full strength' as were for virtually all of that first half we still never looked like scoring in a month of Sundays. We remain a weak, leaderless and as someone else said a frankly boring team to watch this season. Kevin, when have our 'big hitters' performed this season? Sanchez is certainly a worry, has Wenger coached the pressing and chasing back out of his game?

  233. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:39 #76043

    Look I was actually not going to blame Wenger for this loss as Costa the mongrel was a disgrace and mike dean clearly has it in for arsenal!! We have a 6% win record when he officiates are matches!! But Wenger has to take some blame especially for the team selection!! Why does he keep playing Carzola with coq in the middle of the park in the big games ?? Just because we got away with it last season away at city does not mean you can keep doing it!!! Against the better teams we won't have the ball all the time, so you need power in the middle of the park!! This is why I'm tired of Wenger!! How can you go away from a winning formula to a losing formula and stick with it even when it keeps failing?? The man had no self awareness what so ever!!! Coq is injured now smh!! Why the hell did he not buy another defensive midfielder?? This is pure incompetence!! To come out and say no players where available who where better than what we have is pure nonsense and this is why Wenger is past his sell by date!! Also I do agree with Wenger that costa does this every game and gets away with it as refs are scared off sending him off!!

  234. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:23 #76042

    Colin, good post, and don't worry he won't, regardless of the get out of Jail card for him and his followers.

  235. Ron

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:18 #76041

    Yes Westie, but none of it changes what Arsenal have become under Wenger. Its pitiful to see.

  236. Westlower

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:11 #76040

    @Ron, I'm not as naive as you paint me. I had 6 bets on the match and collected on 5 of them. My only loss being a bet on Chelsea being awarded a penalty. Arsenal getting a red card at 4/1 was probably my stand out bet. My judgement remains as sound as ever, yourself? If the ref had sent Costa off first and it was 10 v 11, what was the likely outcome? Certainly the grin would have been wiped off Maureens face as his 'wind up' plan would have backfired. There's no legislating for the stupidity of officials. Until we get video replays nothing will change. Wrighty got it spot on when he said Martin Keown would have sorted Costa. Do you remember Keown & Mick Harford trading punches every time the play went up the opposite end. Not so many cameras back then. Rio Ferdinand called Costa a petulant baby, can't disagree with that.

  237. Dartford gooner

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:11 #76039

    Watched the City v Westham game, Winston Reid mid 20s and everything you need in a centre half. Last January we could have got him for around 10 million and passed on the deal. Westham wanted to sign Jenks so why no swap deal. Payet and Sakho both got for reasonable money. Mahrez at Leicester another one who did not cost mega money, yet Wenger and the 24 hour team could find no one. If the Coq is out for long we are in big trouble. Spuds will be up for it on Wednesday, i hope the kids show more fight than we saw at the bridge

  238. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:08 #76038

    It's up for grabs now, yes Costa's behaviour surprised nobody especially some on here who knew exactly what he was going to do now complain about it, just like their messiah who done sweet fook all to combat it (but what's new there)and he's certainly an expert on Costa alright knowing what he's going to do next week and the week after that and the week after that.

  239. Deejaycee17

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:07 #76037

    So that's another season pretty much over before September ends I used to attend one home game a month as a silver member, unfortunately this has reduced season after groundhog season as my interest continues to wain! Perhaps Wenger and Gazidis should put the bank balance on the field in place of the injured Le Coq or ruined Giroud?! As money seems to be the only thing the club are interested in these days?! Looks like the ridiculous sum of £84 I had to fork out for my NL Derby ticket will be the first and last time I shell out this season, after all NL bragging rights seems to be the only thing we've got to play for apart from the usual 4th place trophy of course?!

  240. Alsace

    Sep 20, 2015, 12:01 #76036

    Dear Munchbag, in this life you have to take bullies out to the weeds and whack them. The cops be they the headmaster or the referee will not do it for you. It is a task below their pay grade. Since we always lose against Chelsea anyway we should deal with him on the first encounter next time out. Adams and Keown would have dealt with him. Only under the hapless supine Wenger do we not face the realities of footballing life and get the job done. You are head over heels in love with a man who cannot function as a winning manager in the English top flight. He's a great CEO and he's great at making money but it just isn't any fun for us or anyone around him who wants to watch or play football. I would like him replaced. I really don't care how.

  241. jjetplane

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:57 #76035

    Oh to have a Costa at Arsenal and a coach to match. Contrast with Wally who has one eye on the pitch and the other probably on his shares values. Costa won that game yesterday almost on his Sergio Leone Jack and a dark masterclass it was. Just remember one of our greatest (DB10) was not adverse to sticking it on a defender in the most brutal fashion. Costa has evolved the art and Wenger is so distant to what is happening in the premier league he can do nothing but express detached dismay if it does not go his way. The reason he seldom gets the rub in a competitive arena is the fact he has no way. It's all so broad stroke abstraction with no attention to finer, evolving detail. Look at West Ham going to Citeh and passing them off the park. Their performance was light years ahead of Arsenal's of last season. There are now a good half dozen coaches in the PL who are leaving the aged Wenger in their wake. They have something which Wenger may never has possessed - respect for your opponent. He petulantly moans at every loss and to see his entrance into the match yesterday spoke volumes of his psyche. Rich, self-centred and utterly defeatist. As KNOWman puts it so well. It is and has been done and dusted. Now it is time for him to walk and even let Bouldie hold it steady for the duration. Who knows? Without the accountant hanging around the place Bouldie might just turn matters more to football and the less to a market of preening puppies .....

  242. danny

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:54 #76034

    Wenger will go very soon I hope and whoever comes in will change the whole dynamic of whats played on the pitch. That's when the AKBs will wonder why we didn't change the manager years ago as the reality is that Wenger has hindered his players and the club for far too long. we need a board of Arsenal supporters that want our club to be back where we belong. Ozil , Ramsey and Alexis will all leave soon not to mention Bellerin and Coquelin who is out for a month I understand.

  243. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:53 #76033

    Good shout Kev and well said it's time for a new manager alright and has been for six or more years now. wenger out.

  244. Munchbaghat

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:52 #76032

    I'm with GoonerRon on this. All the Arsenal fans with their bloody introspection and Wenger-blame-game, you're just as bad as the prideless players you criticise. You're feeding the culture of self-loathing, when there's every reason to be rightly indignant at the officials' failure to keep the game on an even keel. Your barely concealed love of the eye-poking thug Mour is a reflection of your tacit acceptance of thug culture, one of the reasons Mour can call the UK home. Pretty intolerable, toxic, for the rest of Europe. Arsenal have many faults but they have standards which I'm happy for my children to have. Are you, like the Mour-journos, really hoping your sons aspire to Mour/Costa's "game management "? Shame on you if that's what you aspire to.

  245. Captain Frank

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:45 #76031

    I agree with much of what you write Kevin and understand the sense of frustration with Costa's antics, but to suggest Gabriel should have broken Costa's leg is unnecessary. We should never stoop to those levels, nor should Koscielny have over-reacted to the chest bump. He should actually be applauded for not making a meal of it, although sadly the English media will not do that because it is not a "story". We are The Arsenal and should always do things with more class than others. Remember who you are and who you represent.

  246. Wear Your Colours

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:43 #76030

    The decision making by Mike Dean was a total joke; he was strongly influenced by the Chelsea players and lost his bottle. Costa should have seen red not Gabriel. The whole game turned on the ref’s incompetence!

  247. mbg

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:42 #76029

    That's why we have all these injuries we keep shooting ourselves in the foot and then when they've healed we do it again and again and it doesn't require to much analysis all right, thanks to Calamity Jane on the side lines and his naïve posse. Glad you mentioned the atrocious defending (what's new) Kev it was swept under the carpet yesterday (as usual)when the excuses for this old past it managers incompetence were flying about as usual. To hear some including TOF himself it was odds on we were going to win the game before naivety set in and a couple the Dwarfs were played like a fiddle. You couldn't make it up.

  248. Barnaby

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:39 #76028

    I reckon we'll beat Chelsea at home later in the season, but that will b when 4th place is the only thing to play for, who gives a **** about beating them then, Arsenal have wasted another season because they had 200 mill in the bank and still have two players short to challenge for league Orr champs league

  249. Iannis

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:38 #76027

    Is Wenger running Sanchez into the ground? He is not the bright spark he was last year. Wenger said he would rest him after his summer exploits to give him a chance. Of course he hasn't and Sanchez is burning out. By Nov he will be exhausted and ready to pick up an injury. Plus ca change. See also Fabregas and Wilshire.

  250. AugustusCaesar

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:37 #76026

    More propaganda from Whitcher to feed his angry army of Wenger hating morons. Shameful one-sided reporting that doesn't even begin to tell the whole story of the match. Agree with the person making the Koscielny comment too. Just who are our good players then Kev? I rarely post on here these days because it's an echo chamber of braying idiots but I feel particularly incensed about the result and the referee yesterday and I wondered what The Gooner's take on it would be. I should have guessed really. As you were guys.

  251. Wardy

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:35 #76025

    Firstly, we weren't that bad yesterday, but at no time did we looked strong or determined enough to turn over Chelski ,,,, the problem remains Wenger, his failure to buy the players we need, continuance to play Ramsey on the wing and blind spot with picking Cazorla and Ozil in the same team against the big hitters is bewildering but entirely predictable as 4th place is our only target ,,,,, the biggest high spot for me was seeing Gabriel sticking up for a team-mate and showing some fight all too lacking in this pampered team ,,,, he was silly to react to Costa and gett himself sent off, but I applaud his steely determination, could we finally be seeing a real leader at the back

  252. Wibblefish

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:27 #76024

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results. Albert Einstein

  253. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:25 #76023

    Ron - one comment I would make is that if kos is going to collapse, then collapse holding your face and really play dirty. Otherwise I agree stand up. I mentioned in the previous thread that when we had more mentally tougher players , Dennis Wise was regularly snuffed out and often red carded. As far as I can remember his theatricals never adversely affected us. All those players of course (Denis B excepted) were schooled by GG and new how to handle it and dish it. Wenger failed to continue that drive post break up of team. This is what we are left with defeat due to failure under stress.

  254. Ron

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:23 #76022

    GR - the refs incompetence is what we see every week in grounds up and down the land in the PL. Its been the same for years as you know. Costas methods arent the smokesceen either, but Wengers use of it is. Youre falling for his spin. Wenger ought to be just playing a tape of his griping after OT in 'game 50' and save him the effort now. Its Costa for Rooney now, thats all. Its all old hat.

  255. Redordead

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:19 #76021

    Groundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogdaygroundhogday, has Wenger gone?

  256. GoonerRon

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:17 #76020

    In the context of this match, how the **** is the Costa issue a smokescreen for Wenger's failings? Up until the incident it was 0-0 and whilst Chelsea were playing the better football I don't remember Cech being extended once. So we were minutes away from a very satisfactory first half where as the away team we weren't in any trouble at all. If there was an officiating team of any credibility we go into HT with Chelsea down to 10 and facing a half of football that is likely to get the crowd very on edge. Instead, we essentially experience a two player swing where we go in with 10 and all their pressure is eased. This is supposed to be a post-match editorial on a fanzine site - irrespective of our views on the manager/the board there is not one mention of the referees incompetence bring pivotal to the outcome of this game. Shameful.

  257. Ron

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:05 #76019

    Powerless, mis shaped midfield, a team full of players who want to be old fashioned delicate 'inside forwards'. Defenders who are frightened and wince at aggression, forwards who are punch less, lack guile and fear going in where its painful. This was before the cards were flourished. Costa s nothing more than a modern day Sammy Morgan (recall him SKG at Villa?). Andy Lockhead at Burnley. A host of others. Its all been seen before. He needles, he digs, he tussles and jabs. Hes also a quality leader of a line and one who i d have at Arsenal in a heart beat. His actions didnt lose that game. Arsenals and Wengers flimsy approach to football did as its done so often before. Westie, youre picking on the wrong target. Look closer to home. The moaning youre doing sounds like a blocked drain - i thought you were the one who 'copes well with defeat'? at least thats what you preach. Under Wenger, this kind of result and smokescreening by Wenger is par for the course and has been since the days he used to deflect from defeats at Bolton by boring us silly whinging about Kevin Davies and Co. Koschilenys salmon like back flip in the face of a bit of a chesting, was pitiful but sadly it smacks of Wengers modern Arsenal of the last decade. It was sillier than Lehmanns feline theatrics with Drogba all of those yrs ago. As the writer in the Mirror says, the loss was about Wenger once more being Mourinhos rabbit. Pathetic performance and once more what Arsenal once stood for was trodden on and shamed. It ll happen again too. Go now Wenger and end the charades.

  258. Paulo75

    Sep 20, 2015, 11:02 #76018

    No further comment required - all too familiar I'm afraid...

  259. Colin

    Sep 20, 2015, 10:58 #76017

    The Costa debate is just a smokescreen to cover another defeat by Wenger against Mourinho.We went on the pitch with no leaders no tactics against a Chelsea team who are on the ropes.But once again we bottled it.Playing Walcott at CF was crazy.Away at Chelsea you need someone who can hold the ball up.Walcott cannot do that.Ozil once again did his disappearing act in a big game.We have a team of pussies.Its the same old same old.What Costa did was wrong and he should have seen red but dont let Wenger get away with it

  260. exiled&dangerous

    Sep 20, 2015, 10:50 #76016

    Might as well have broken Costa's legs - I somehow think that will happen at some stage before the guy retires. How the entire team of officials managed to miss all of his shenanigans is beyond me. There's something about Stamford Bridge and appalling officials, isn't there? Costa would have departed on a stretcher a few years back....

  261. silentstan

    Sep 20, 2015, 10:46 #76015

    any pretence of credibilty this site has went with claiming Koscielny is not a great defender.

  262. Its up for grabs now

    Sep 20, 2015, 10:41 #76014

    So Wenger has still not beaten Mourinho in a competitive game, as I don’t count the Charity Shield, as that is without question a pre-season friendly. When it matters, as in really matters, Mourinho has Wenger in his back pocket, as has been proven time and time again. Ok the sending off didn’t help, but then again Gabriel’s reaction should have been coached out of him; it’s not as if Costa’s behaviour was a surprise to anybody, other than probably Wenger, as by his own admission, he never studies the opposition! Fail to prepare, prepare to fail! So just what will it take for those whom still defend the current set up, to finally admit they were wrong and us critics correct? Years of these same observations, yet still they think the sun shines out of his arse. WHY?!?! How can we be so incredibly accurate in our predictions, i.e. last 16 in the CL & 4th or occasionally 3rd in the PL, as Wenger is incapable of progressing beyond that, yet some still somehow believe things will be different this time around? Again WHY?!?! What makes them continue to believe? Not even the end of September, with three defeats from seven games, which has a good chance of becoming four defeats out of eight games next week against the Spuds, because he will probably send out a reserve team! I just despair that the club I love, is just now in a permanent state of limbo, treading water with identical outcomes each season, in the two competitions that count. If we were a club in size or revenue stream as say Southampton or Everton, then this would be an incredible achievement, as that would be over-performing. We however are under-performing and have been for years, because we do have the resources, stadium, geographical location, history and fan base to do much better, but crucially not the will to do it, by the owner or in particular Wenger. He is a decade out of touch in football terms, but ahead of the game in terms of personal reward for himself (£8 million salary), with no pressure from Stan to actually achieve beyond CL qualification. Those who still support Wenger, just accept the fact you are flogging a dead horse, there is no shame in it, as after all, we all want Arsenal to be more than just a top 4 club. Believe it or not, but we too once thought the sun shone out of his arse! However we have refused to be blinded by the hype surrounding Wenger, and have analysed the clear evidence that the sun most definitely no longer shines from his arse! Many of us came to that conclusion years ago, with every single excuse previously given by those who somehow still believe, now shown up for what they are - excuses! Help us get rid of him, to at least give us all hope of something better than groundhog season after groundhog season. The only thing I once wished for was to see Arsenal win the CL in my lifetime, now I just want to see Wenger gone in my lifetime!! I could go on, but it’s all been said a thousand times before by the numerous contributors on here, yet nothing changes, and seems it never will.

  263. Know Man

    Sep 20, 2015, 10:39 #76012

    Referee gets the blame for us losing, how convenient for le boss. We didn't have a single shot on target in the first half. Chelsea had the better of the exchanges and were mature enough to exploit our weaknesses. Ozil, once again a peripheral figure, it's like playing with 10 men before we were down to 10 men. Our captain is no leader and our manager cannot manage the team. You cannot play Ramsey on the right, he's not a winger. The team are unbalanced. What planet is AW living on?

  264. Jess Cooper

    Sep 20, 2015, 10:37 #76011

    Good piece Kevin agree totally, another scrap for 4th this season it's getting so damn depressing now. Wenger has to go and should have gone 6 or 7 years ago the truth be told. Change would at least make things interesting again if nothing else, these groundhog seasons are anything but interesting. I'm bored of this now.