Gunners exposed in Europe... again

Arsenal suffer defeat at home to Olympiacos



Gunners exposed in Europe... again


There was something all too familiar about Arsenal’s sorry performance in the Champions League last night. Memories went back to the three goals conceded against Anderlecht and Monaco only last season. When Olympiacos scored within a minute of conceding Arsenal’s second equalising goal, I also recalled the naivety shown by Wenger’s team in the Champions League quarter final second leg back in 2008.

This isn’t anything new. Wenger took eight campaigns to reach the final of this tournament with an Arsenal side believed to be one of the best in Europe, a shocking underachievement. Since then, in a further nine attempts, he has made a solitary semi-final, and that thanks to a fortuitous draw in 2009. Nowadays, even luck in the draw doesn’t help, because the manager does not mentally prepare his players to achieve results in Europe.

Olympiacos didn’t play with the same openness as Leicester at the weekend. Surprise, surprise. The cost of their assembled team was less than Mesut Ozil’s transfer fee. So financial doping is not the excuse this time. No, it was bad luck, Arsene informed us. The Greek side had four shots on target and scored from three of them. Nothing to do then, with the poor marking from the corner for the first goal, the calamitous keeping of Ospina for the second or… well, I am lost for words at what happened for the winner. It was worse than a Sunday morning pub team.

Arsenal’s forward play is starting to come together, with the last three matches seeing nine goals. Walcott gets so many chances, he is becoming a goal per game man, on the same principle that a dunce will get one in four questions right on a multiple choice test answering A, B, C or D. And Alexis seems to have re-found his goalscoring touch. However, it is pointless if things are not getting sorted at the other end. Remember, before the Gunners scored at the weekend, Leicester could have been three up.

A good, organised defence is the basis for a winning team. Arsene Wenger’s early success was built on the back five he inherited from George Graham, who had enough nous and authority to instruct the midfielders in front of them what their jobs were. Under George Graham they learned how to progress in European competition, but when Wenger got hold of them, something was lost. There was a transformation to the back line that gave us the Invincibles season, of which Sol Campbell was a key component, with Ashley Cole having learned his trade alongside Tony Adams, and Lauren having attitude in buckets. Kolo Toure had his best years alongside Campbell and played with total commitment. It was good enough to win silverware domestically but ultimately fell short in Europe, even with Gilberto and Vieira in midfield (although the former notably absent in the game that saw the 2004 side eliminated).

Since the departure of Campbell and Cole in 2006, the baton has not really been passed on, in terms of the team’s good defensive habits. There was a brief period towards the end of the 2012-13 season when the team had to knuckle down and eke out results to have any hope of making the top four and changed their approach. Evidence that if need be, Wenger’s team can play result football. Yet, we get performances like last night where, with the manager himself admitting it was a ‘must win’ game (and it was, Arsenal will not beat Bayern and will be lucky to get a point from the next two matches), his team failed to ensure they did not concede cheap goals. They were brittle, as they have been so often in the past.

Yes, there is at least £65-£70 million that could have been spent on squad strengthening this summer (and the growing view on this is that the money in the Arsenal coffers is being used as security for Stan Kroenke’s sporting ambitions Stateside, with the manager complicit). But let’s be honest here. With a manager as hopeless as Wenger at preparing his side to win football matches (a big part of which is what you do when you do not have the ball), what difference would it make if the club had bought Morgan Schneiderlin and Karim Benzema? Under a different manager, a motivator, an in-game tactician, a lot. But under Arsene Wenger? And what is behind the decision not to play Petr Cech in a game of this significance. Barcelona may play their second choice keeper in Europe, but they have a front line of Messi, Suarez and Neymar. They too were a goal down at half time last night, but had enough quality to win their game.

Arsenal’s Annual General Meeting is on Thursday October 15th. The week before the home match against Bayern Munich. The timing is fortuitous, because Ivan Gazidis’ statement that Arsenal could match the German champions two years ago will not be as cruelly exposed as they might were the meeting to take place after the Champions League fixture. Still, before that there is the visit of Manchester United. Who knows what might happen then, because this is another in a long line of Wenger Jekyl and Hyde teams. World beaters one week, clowns the next. There is arrogance, but no consistency.

It was arrogant to select Ospina ahead of Cech for starters, but also arrogant for a team in European competition not to be defensively prepared and drilled to minimise danger. In Europe, Wenger passes up the opportunity to train in the opposition stadium and become accustomed to the pitch and the environment the evening before an away fixture. That is lack of preparation of the first order. No other team does it. And come the day Wenger finally hands Arsenal Football Club back (because trust me, he treats it like he owns it), I am damn sure his successor will get rid of this lunatic policy at the first opportunity, assuming Arsenal are still even in Europe at that time.

Olympiacos were more prepared, more switched on, more tactically astute and more determined. They deserved their win because they defended better and took more of their chances. The final two Arsenal matches of this group might prove interesting. Wenger will not want Europa League and attempt to ensure fourth place with his team selections. As the master of throwing competitions he has no interest in (the 2007 League Cup final, the 2009 FA Cup semi final) that should not be too difficult.

Perhaps, now, more of the loyalists who have remained convinced that Arsene is the best man for the job might have second thoughts. “I do not have to sit here and give you an explanation about every decision I make,” he told journalists after the game. In fact, he should, as the media is the source of information for the paying customers, the fans, who deserve an explanation. Yet Wenger treats fans with utter contempt, rather than explain himself. I challenged him after 2014 AGM on why he would not re-instate the end of season Q&A event with shareholders. He said it was because people are disrespectful, simply because one questioner used the phrase “geriatric” to describe Mikel Silverstre back in 2009. And you have to ask if the manager is accountable to anyone at the club. Is he going to be in Ivan Gazidis’ office this morning explaining his match preparation and team selection? No. And the reason why? Because Arsene Wenger is delivering exactly what Stan Kroenke wants. A profitable business with minimal risk. There is no longer any genuine sporting ambition at the club. Why else would they not use all the available resources to achieve success?

The team has not even played the strongest team in the group and there are zero points from two matches. Will the stadium actually have the temerity to turn on the manager if the team play as naively against Manchester United? That is about the only way one feels he would move on. Carlo Ancelotti is available, but would he take a job under an owner like Stan Kroenke? And of course, there is always Jurgen Klopp. Certainly with the amount of cash they have, the club could match the wage demands of some very high quality candidates.

I received plenty of texts and emails after the game, but I will leave you with the pick of them, first from the ever reliable Doktor Schneide…

Wenger’s European campaign pointless. Rather sums it up, really

And to finish on a positive note, one from Ian Henry…

At least now we won’t get knocked out in the round of 16

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. David

    Oct 02, 2015, 10:04 #76845

    @Made up stat - I'm not sure, but the prayer of the Arsenal staff/team when facing Man C or Manure (who do have superior firepower)should be that of the 10th century English when confronted with the marauding Vikings: A furore Normanonrum libera nos domine. From the fury of the men of the north, O Lord, deliver us.

  2. Made Up Stat

    Oct 02, 2015, 7:52 #76842

    David: What's Latin for 'Victory through superior firepower'?

  3. Andreas

    Oct 02, 2015, 0:50 #76841

    Kev, can't argue with a lot if that. Maybe, Wenger is targetting to win the Europa league. He said at game 1 when asked about winning the champions league that he has to be "realistic" about his teams chances of winning the CL. Hardly, a manager showing he believes his team is better than Barcelona, real Madrid, Bayern, PSG. Realistically we are, under Wenger, a Europa league team. Under ancellotti we're a different team. Or maybe, Wenger believes we can win the league and will sacrifice Europe and FA cup to focus on the business end of the demanding season.

  4. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 01, 2015, 23:30 #76839

    Arsenal4life - you capture the problem perhaps unwittingly. Yes you laugh at us and in return we laugh at you. A plague on both our houses as every other teams supporters laugh at all of us. We are the most divided fanbase in the uk. You say to us we cannot change anything and perhaps you sneer. Meanwhile last season Wenger has a bad result in Stoke and is verbally set upon. Seem to remember other Arsenal managers having poor results without facing that abuse. Does the sneerful you cannot change anything cause the reaction? You might think so. Be aware of disfranchising people's right to protest. I in turn will try and turn down my volume. It is the club that ultimately suffers

  5. mbg

    Oct 01, 2015, 21:25 #76833

    Maybe I was wrong there's two.

  6. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 01, 2015, 20:49 #76831

    Ah - I get it. So all we need is a bit of zen like patience while Kroenke and Wenger preside over our continuing decline for the next 18 months or more. That's an optimistic and joyful prescription if ever there was one. Quoting Badarse never helps win an argument. I never complained about GG or Rioch for that matter - at least they were trying to improve the club's standing (even if the former was trying unfairly to improve his bank balance at the same time). And as long as the next incumbent has a set of Kroenke-proof cojones,then we'll all back him with klopptimism I'm sure. I'm of the opinion that issues hastening Wenger's departure such as losses can only be positive for the club at this stage, sad as that is. No-one is enjoying this (except Finsbury and Jamie son).

  7. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 01, 2015, 19:44 #76829

    Hey Arsene4life - OK mate, what would it honestly take for you to want regime change, or are you happy to place your trust in Captain Capitalist Kroenke and his bunch of has-beens? Come on friend - time for some AKB sincerity.

  8. mbg

    Oct 01, 2015, 17:38 #76823

    Loads of positives the flight home? there's always one.

  9. Badarse

    Oct 01, 2015, 16:04 #76817

    Went to Carthage-guess he got his wish, it had been destroyed. Just as AW will eventually go and people will then moan about someone else.

  10. David

    Oct 01, 2015, 15:45 #76815

    It was Cato the Elder, I believe, who ended every speech to the Roman Senate, regardless of the topic of discussion, with the following words: Carthago delenda est (Carthage must be destroyed). He would clearly make a great WOB.

  11. stefano

    Oct 01, 2015, 15:18 #76813

    i cant believe you lot on here, we need to get behind wenger and the team, there was loads of positives from the game. I thought gibbs and Gabriel were outstanding , but I would like arteta to play with coqulein just to beef up the midfield

  12. mbg

    Oct 01, 2015, 15:14 #76812

    Tony Evans, spot on, talk about trolling for effect. Ron, again spot on, the bars and restaurants have charging him again for years, especially in France.

  13. mbg

    Oct 01, 2015, 14:53 #76807

    Cornish, Dashen, some great quips that can and will be made out of that when the time comes.

  14. Made Up Stat

    Oct 01, 2015, 14:36 #76803

    Arseneknewbest - if you do go off down to the Bridge, say hello to Jamerson will you? He'll be the one talking about his blue shed and how he trolls AFC sites.

  15. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 01, 2015, 13:55 #76797

    If only in my own imagination, I'm convinced that I'm the biggest Arsenal fan in the northern and southern hemispheres (except for my 10 year old son). The AKB position on our very own expert in failure is so evidently untenable it's not worth repeating. So here's something that I find myself VERY reluctantly saying even after a decade of persistent failure and under-delivery by a club led to all intents and purposes by someone who has no right being near a modern football team. I WANT ARSENAL TO LOSE TO THE HATED MANURE THIS WEEKEND AND FOR THE DEFEATS TO CONTINUE FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE. That doesn't make me a Spud and I won't be fooking off to the Bridge etc. etc. I simply want to support a club with a philosophy that means they are going to try. Say what you want Jamie son - but you know it makes sense...

  16. Ron

    Oct 01, 2015, 12:16 #76786

    Nick - hes always been Col Blimp i reckon. His early French players he brought in together with GGs remnants and Bergy of course of yrs gone by just disguised it, thats all. He was exposed yrs ago, yet still the aura of those early yrs sustains him. Its tiresome and amazing all the same.

  17. Tony Evans

    Oct 01, 2015, 12:14 #76785

    Nick - very well put and I am in complete agreement with you. As for Jamerson it's about time we all ignored the tripe he comes out with. He is either a Spud or the most blinkered Arsenal fan out there.

  18. Nick T

    Oct 01, 2015, 11:46 #76780

    BTW the people saying we HAVE to get something from the BM games are wrong, its plausible that we could qualify from the group with 6 points!! Thought Id lighten the mood....

  19. Nick

    Oct 01, 2015, 11:37 #76778

    Jameson, " a bit of humbling NOW AND THEN " ?? 2-8 to manure, pl, 1-3 to manure CLSF , 0-6, vs Chelsea, 1-5, vs Liverpool, 3-6 vs Manure City, 1-3, vs Monaco, 1-3 vs Bayern, the list goes on , we are " humbled" on a regular basis, against teams supposedly our equals, our betters and those who we are supposedly superior to, all these defeats have one common denominator, WENGER, his refusal to take the other team into account in pre match preparations, his often bizzare team selections, the refusal to let our side train on the opposition pitch, his preplanned substitutions or when shutting the door after the horse has bolted, ridiculous ones ignoring any player who is having a mare and a detrimental effect on the team but taking off a player having a blinder, his charge of the light brigade approach to games like Tuesday nights by taking off a holding player and galloping towards the sound of the guns, he has in truth become a Colonel Blimp type character,the inability , whether due to a lack of quality available or a stubborn refusal to do what every man and his dog said we needed to do and strengthen our squad through its spine, was a catastrophic mistake, or to my mind simple negligence based on his own hubris .Arsenal used to be hated for our success, and our strength of character, especially in times of crisis, now we are a laughing stock, feared by none , ridiculed by many, we are lesser nobility now rather than the royalty of football that we once were, lesser nobility in danger of being replaced and brought down by the plebian hordes, this is due to one man, I dont care that others have an abetting role, his is the desk where the buck stops. We are NOT poor relations in the PL, far from it we may not be as wealthy as some but we are STILL in the one per cent of football hierarchy, there is NO excuse for what has become an annual comedy of errors, from our injury list, through our tactics, motivation, and lack of ambition to strengthen so as to properly challenge on all fronts, there is one constant in all of these shortcomings as I have said and that is the man at the helm! I hope he proves me wrong and that he makes me eat my words I would love that to happen but I will NOT be going on a diet in readiness for a large portion of humble pie !

  20. jjetplane

    Oct 01, 2015, 11:25 #76777

    The radio commentary sounded the other night as though it were coming out of an empty air hangar. The first thing mentioned was how silent the place was. Going back to CL games at Wembley and Highbury the atmosphere was just as bad as it did not take long for the penny to drop that Arsenal were out of their league. The idea of having a 200 quid night out at the WOK is too funny for words. I go to regional theatre a bit for matinees at 15 squid a throw but we are talking theatre now. Can't beat a good farce. Also amused to see staunch defenders of 'the faith' on here who would not go to the WOK if it was a freebie. What sort of fan is that? Bloody Man Utd beating Wolfsburg in a game that mattered. Bring on those virtual trophies. Waht is that stat for Arsenal actually being domestic championes while appearing in the CL ....

  21. Chris

    Oct 01, 2015, 11:16 #76774

    Bard - The irony is that I'd allign myself with balanced commentators like Arseblog or Amy Lawrence in the Guardian (very balanced post-Tuesday piece from her) and it's the totally unbalanced (i'd say mostly unhinged) claptrap from the likes of yourself that tend to polarise the argument more than is necessary. We ALL know that repeating the same mistakes over again isn't acceptable but ranting and character assassination of the manager is as far from the Corbyn model as you can truly get. So again, head out and a peak in the mirror, please Bard.

  22. Ron

    Oct 01, 2015, 10:52 #76772

    Noting that old 'waiting list' still gets an airing. It'll be 6 years come next June since i gave up the ST and 5 yrs since a mate of mine surrendered his corner seat Club Level gig. We both still get offers of a ST, albeit silly priced seats stuck somewhere up in no mans land in the upper tiers, where the atmospheres thinner than everywhere else in the bowl. No matter how often they're told 'not wanted thank you', they don't seem to want to listen. Waiting list my arse! The increasing emptiness of the stadium the other night will become the norm before things improve at good ole AFC. They ll still trot out '60009' though for most games, same as ever theyve done.

  23. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 01, 2015, 10:40 #76771

    The petition is past the 1000 mark after running for 20 hours. Not bad if would be nice for it to push through 5k then 10k

  24. Bard

    Oct 01, 2015, 10:01 #76768

    Chris protest is more nuanced than just jumping up and down with a placard. Im more persuaded by the Corbyn model. quiet reasoned argument. I know its a hard one to digest but me and other like me arent responsible for our current demise. Its Wenger's gig. if the orchestra conductor plays crap music sack him and get someone else who can. If that logic eludes you mate, there is not much else that can be said.

  25. Chris

    Oct 01, 2015, 9:51 #76767

    Bard - I'll tell you when you pull your own head out of your own and start your petition. And your protest. Otherwise you'll just be continuing to be a blatherer and won't warrant a response.

  26. Wengerballs

    Oct 01, 2015, 9:44 #76766

    I bet 50% of the moaners on here still have season tickets. Hypocrites.

  27. Charlie George Orwell

    Oct 01, 2015, 8:17 #76761

    West Cork Frank: Welcome to the 10th level of hell that is Wenger's Arsenal. But please don't rattle the shackles of the pro-Wengerites as they are under the impression that their lot passes for privilege.

  28. Badarse

    Oct 01, 2015, 7:56 #76760

    Good morning my little soufflés, puffed up, but already collapsing under the testing weight of gravy, er gravity. Have just signed a petition organised by Rory Bremner, 'Stop this petition to oust Wenger'. 62,196 signed, 32,367, so, 42192 far..., am going to organise a petition, 'Improve Rory's maths'. Now Dark Moanies wandering around muttering 'What do we do now?', are putting me in mind of the Spike Milligan sketch. Hilarious!

  29. Joe S.

    Oct 01, 2015, 3:53 #76759

    Writing this is like swoallowing razor blades, which is close to how I feel with my present flu. however under the present regime Wegner is the only man for the job because of the top managers only he is passionate about the economic model currently in place .The other contenders I feel would be paddling upstream wondering what they had got themselves into and how to get out. For us fans its the proverbial running into a brick wall because we know that under Kroenke nothing good will ever come into place. the wholesale changes needed to turn this club around won't happen and we'll be stuck with Gazadis, Laws and Wegner until nobody will care anymore and good riddance.

  30. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 01, 2015, 1:13 #76758

    Seems Arsenal are already on the case. I've just read in my 'Official Arsenal Newsletter': "Arsenal became the first Premier League club to secure a regional partnership in Ethiopia as Dashen Brewery became its official beer partner".

  31. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 01, 2015, 0:53 #76757

    I think some of the AKBs wil be needing to increase the strength of their Arsene beer goggles if we lose on Sunday as well.

  32. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 23:34 #76756

    Cornish, which ever one makes him the most dough he doesn't care, he'll even make a killing on when his messiah leaves or is sacked.

  33. jjetplane

    Sep 30, 2015, 23:31 #76755

    Jamerson is morphing into Brando of Apocalpse Now fame. Col Wenger is up another river still - The Amazon. He never left it. Little arrows in the air ..... Listening to Waddle re stars on the bench. He must love Wally ....

  34. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 23:16 #76754

    jj, don't forget the red tie.

  35. A Cornish Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 23:11 #76753

    Westie. Post 81100. Which one will you be putting your money on?

  36. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 23:05 #76752

    Mark from Aylesbury, spot on this season ticket waiting list is only spin that wengerites and the gullible actually still believe, I have a mate who like yourself was offered a ticket two years in a row, and another acquaintance of mine after giving up his ticket three seasons ago turned an offer down this season, only to receive an email a month later offering him another one, 30, 40, 50,000 in the queue ? b******s if there's between 10 to 15,000 that would be the height of it and a lot more accurate, but as you know some will believe anything and are more gullible than others.

  37. Hiccup

    Sep 30, 2015, 22:28 #76751

    jj, I like that idea of dicky bows, but under current FIFA legislation, a separate petition would be required for that.

  38. tpm

    Sep 30, 2015, 22:26 #76750

    why do people take jamersons bait? hes clearly a WUM his comments about arsenals entertaining style of football alone prooves as much. the tippy tappy crap is a complete yawnfest, slow and painful sideways passing, and has been for nearly a decade. long gone are the days of fast one touch passing arsenal sides of wengers early years. badarse mentions circles going around and around. surely he can see that this is what happening at arsenal. no ambition, no aim bar 4th.

  39. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 22:25 #76749

    Just signed the petition on change.org needs a further 235 signatures to get it to hit the 1000 mark. Get going

  40. jjetplane

    Sep 30, 2015, 22:16 #76748

    That's genius! They must wear club dicky bows too!

  41. Hiccup

    Sep 30, 2015, 22:11 #76747

    Signing petitions to get Wenger out isn't the answer. Petitions to remove poor officials will help though. I have signed a petition to make sure last night's Assistant Assistant Referee ( or whatever they're called, the ones behind the goal with a Dr Who screwdriver), never officiates another arsenal game. To the naked eye, it was impossible to see that the ball had gone over the line, but he couldn't wait to give the goal. Had that been De Gea for United, the goal would never have been given. Once we get the officials we want, ie arsenal fans, results will get better. No need to change the manager!

  42. Bard

    Sep 30, 2015, 21:36 #76746

    Chris mate is it you of the nuanced results? i do love a crowd, the energy, the banter its great stuff. How is it for you mate stuck up A***** a***. Its a dark place place up there. No light and difficulty breathing.

  43. West Cork Frank

    Sep 30, 2015, 21:17 #76745

    What is wrong with ALL of you. Many sensible points made by Arsenal fans with brains, usual nonsense from arsene fans. Enraged most yesterday about the cowardice shown especially by The OX lol. First goal conceded the shot was at most knee high, yet instead of doing what he's paid for, scared ox shifts to avoid the ball and sticks a toe out ! Surely shin pads would have prevented the agony of trying to block the shot.BFUG showed similar lack of balls for their third goal. Why is this never mentioned by media, here or any bloody where else ? Sick of seeing other Arsenal players turning away from a shot even when its ankle high and their a yard away. This lack of bottle is a disgrace and exemplifies all that is wrong at MY club. Can't recall wenger ever spending his money on us. Met Gabriel lunch-time today in Harley Street, so much for our state of the art medical team. He had three companions in Arsenal training kit which caught my eye in the first place. Shook his hand and we all laughed when i said costa wanker. Gabriel and his companions all nodded their heads when i said we needed far more players like him whilst thumping my heart. Gabriel aside, the only other players we have with a modicum of courage are Jack, Alexis and Flamini. League wide open, if we'd... but that costs money and a degree of managerial competence.SAME OLD SAME OLD. As for kronke's lack of spending, one of his many underachieving teams in USA are moving from St Louis to L.A, That will cost him so why the f### spend money on what once used to be our club when its just a profit making enterprise he now owns. I was Arsenal before shameless wenger/ kronke and will be there when their gone.HOWEVER long that is.

  44. jjetplane

    Sep 30, 2015, 21:16 #76744

    That 50 thou queue will soon be the one trying to get out Yak! yak! The Emirates is starting to look like of those big American churches. I assume AKBs wear blue blazers/grey strides like their master. Probably all got those silly French accents too and describe everything as 'leedle bit' .... The Power of Love! lol!

  45. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 21:01 #76743

    Dont follow anybody Chris. Agree with lots on here but opinions are all my own. Oh, have another look at that post as I wasn't talking about you...

  46. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:53 #76742

    Jamerson There's not 50,000 in the queue anymore I've been offered two years on the trot. That's just old marketing hype. Really is the football that attractive ?our home form has been dire and I don't think you go away. In fact do you go at all or is it all baloney like your brother Pete who disappeared when you were caught out using multiple alias.

  47. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:49 #76741

    Gaz, yes mate, that's what i was referring to as seen and proved on many occasions, other fans have forced change on their clubs and have got rid of managers, but not with our fans who are to nice for that(not the AKB's of course because as Ron has already pointed out if they caught ours shagging their wife they'd still forgive him and probably ask him do you want another go) and now have that reputation for it and being ambitionless.

  48. Bard

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:45 #76740

    Gaz; its a great idea mate. We need Corbynmania. Im all for it. Rest assured things will get nasty at the Emirates in the next few weeks if we suffer another loss. The end is nigh !!!!

  49. Hiccup

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:42 #76739

    mag, the ones they interviewed looked pretty clueless individuals. Did you see their expressions? "Er... Yeah. I think Wenger can turn it around." And then that look of God knows how, but thats what blind faith does to you. The funniest part was how the cameraman couldn't keep the camera still. Wobbling all over the place as he was p!ssing himself laughing at them.

  50. Website Admin

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:42 #76738

    Can we call a halt to the name calling please? As someone commented earlier today, it's a little childish and I think we're all above that level no matter what you might think of each others views.

  51. Chris

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:42 #76737

    Gaz - As I said, why don't you start it? the power of one and all that. I know you like to follow a crowd so maybe you and Bard could start together? Arsenal mania - never heard of it until just now but just to reassure that it's not me on there! I just to be the pro-wenger tosser who posted on Arsenal Truth, but he doesn't put up my comments these days (even when they are as 'intelligent and well reasoned' as he demands)...

  52. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:41 #76736

    Hi Bard. Er, I think I'm responsible for the idea that us WOBs should be doing more to oust Wenger! Signed a petition earlier mind that's already been signed by 500 supporters!...

  53. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:40 #76735

    Did I miss Colesores Ronnie Pickering moment? Hope it wasn't directed at poor old me. There's nothing like winding up a mug!

  54. jjetplane

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:37 #76734

    Nice. The decade long slip-up. That's some weird bible they've swallowed. Blinded by the Emirlight ..... You can now see the madness with each posting. Loving this meltdown.

  55. Bard

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:28 #76733

    Im all for this latest twist from the AKBs that the wobs should do something as they are solely responsible for Arsenals decline. Im always up for a fight so I have put a banner up in the window that says Arsene out and have auctioned off a pre divorce Wenger garden Gnome on ebay. Can you adam and eve it the bidding is still going on. The price is now £300 and I only paid £2 for it. One bloke has even emailed me saying he wants it for the shrine he has built in his garden shed. He says he knows f*** all about football but he thinks Arsene is a modern day guru. I would write more but the plod are knocking at the door. Ive been shouting 'Arsene out' out of the bedroom window all afternoon and they tell me shouting 'Arsene out' constitutes a public order offence.

  56. Badarse

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:22 #76732

    goonercolesyboy, I've been asked to muzzle you, ha ha. Think on it this way, it's a bit yin and yang. We need Arsenal, and the Dark Moanies need us. We celebrate a victory, they look to spike our guns. They celebrate a slip up, and decry us for defending our team. The carousel just keeps on turning-look out, 'Here comes the Hurdy-Gurdy man'. "Round, like a circle in a spiral-like a wheel within a wheel. Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel..."

  57. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:20 #76731

    Hiccup, yes I saw that on Sky News one lad said he doesn't know what he was doing, the only saving grace ref the ones who still back him is they appeared to be yanks (that would explain it) probably tourists just wandering about as the place looked deserted.

  58. Stanley

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:20 #76730

    I see Jamerson has reverted to type again in his most recent post and is back to trolling. Let's hope admin bans him for good this time.

  59. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:18 #76729

    mbg, yes that's the only way the message will get across to Wenger and the board but I still feel despite the angst from what now seems like a large section of fans there's still a reluctance by most to vocally turn against them. Can't help feeling if we were a northern Club it would have already happened and we'd be two/three years into a new era...

  60. John F

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:12 #76728

    CG Ronnie do you know who I am Pickering is all the rage up here.Anyone in need of cheering up after yesterday's debacle catch him on u tube and see what a lovely area I work in.

  61. Hiccup

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:10 #76727

    Another bout of 'blog rage' from coldsore aka Ronnie Pickering. Nice one Cornish. Baddie, rein him again please. It's like watching Wenger getting upset with the 4th official. And just as hilarious. Cue being called a mug or a see you next Tuesday. Yawn....

  62. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:01 #76726

    wouldn't surprise me if Jamerson is actually that tosser Chris who posts on Arsenal mania. So ridiculously pro-Wenger it's obvious he's no Arsenal fan and only on here for a wind up...

  63. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 20:00 #76725

    Gaz, yes you have a point there, there are a couple of posts floating about that we get what we deserve and they're not to wide of the mark as far as us WOB's go. We've all heard the many suggestions, give up your ticket, don't buy merchandise, vote with you feet, banners, (that will only be confiscated) marches protests outside the ground, all top suggestions of course (if sustained) but as far as i'm concerned all futile especially if not sustained, the best and only one/way as far as i'm concerned and I've said this on a few occasions is protest inside the ground (the dictators orange coat brigade can't shut everyone up although they'd try) and not only we want wenger out which should of course be the loudest and most sustained, but we want Gazidis out, and sack the board (I know there's not a board to talk about) but they will still not want to be held responsible either and lose their jobs and fat salaries just like Gazidis and the rest of his cronies certainly won't. There's nothing the hierarchy and a manager hate as much (and it has been seen and proved on many occasions) as the fans turning against them especially the manager, it's very bad publicity, bad for their career (and most importantly their reputation and we all know how TOF regards that ) bad for business so when them and TOF see and hear the sustained protests inside the ground against them which will be relayed around the world and gleefully reported by the media they'll be as I've said scurrying to cover their arses and not wanting to be seen or held responsible, and if sustained will eventually take it's toll, on the whole stinking regime, especially wenger there's no doubt about that, and maybe we can enjoy our great club again.

  64. A Cornish Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 19:57 #76724

    goonercolesyboy. Is that you Ronnie Pickering?

  65. BigGooner Dave

    Sep 30, 2015, 19:17 #76723

    I noticed my question about our illustrious leader did,not make the comments field,surely that sums him up!!!!!!!

  66. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:59 #76722

    Yes about time the anti Arsenal posters did something tangible in action rather than words. Not going doesn't count as most in that bracket don't go anyway. Maybe you can have a meeting, like the black scarf movement and chant and sway in unison. How long did they last? Silent Stan is your man to seek and question, but good luck tracking him down anytime soon. This site will aid and abet as much as possible so crack on and let's be having you.

  67. jjetplane

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:52 #76721

    Funny how it has taken two decades for it to sink in that Arsene is a footballing misfit but possibly a sharp player regarding financial shenanigans. Has the bloke ever really spoke about football in a knowing, detailed manner. He seems to have done the finances well particularly now that it a US satellite franchise. As long as the 'dogs, slices and shirts' are selling to the novelty consumer there is no argument. I am loving my football experience presently and get a lot of joy (and pain!) from attending games and for me Arsenal is just another brand now with little of the identity I grew up with. We really were class years back and on and off up to Lauren scoring his penalty and Pires getting the accolades. That has been over for so long (I gave up proper in 2008) that I do (because I love the club) punch the air when the opposition give this spineless group a lesson. Am not convinced by any AKB posts and Jamerson is just trolling for effect on here now. More interested in what Palace or the Hammers do this season than what Arsenal will do. We will no doubt have a season like the last decade's worth where even the FA Cup wins look like small change as did the 2005 one look like the pass out parade for what some have laughingly called 'the Wenger Revolution'. Still lost on that one .... Still - BM seem to like this CL rigmarole ....

  68. Badarse

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:31 #76720

    Mark, my pre-season bet for runner up and a League Cup double is still live.

  69. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:20 #76719

    Ok Jamerson lets take you at your word. Predictions please. Arsenal to win the Premiership ? Arsenal to win the Champions league? When is Wenger likely to win either?

  70. Badarse

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:09 #76718

    It was Father Mackenzie's fault. When he told Eleanor that to honour her he would rename rugby, and then called it rigby, I sensed the beginning of the end for ball games. Look where we are now...picking up rice and putting it in the cusp. Hos Annas in ex-Chelsea.

  71. Chris

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:07 #76717

    Gaz - It's a good idea and one that might actually earn the WOBs some respect. I'd've thought a petition and a demonstration would be obvious starting points for folk of your persuasion. Although the Gooner is 'neutral', Kevin obviously isn't so perhaps he could use his platform to help orchestrate it all? Would be really refreshing to see all the moaning replaced by action and would be really interesting to see what happened!

  72. Hiccup

    Sep 30, 2015, 18:06 #76716

    Guys, again after another Keystone Cops performance, talk is of Wenger on his last legs. Once again, I totally disagree. Beat United at the weekend and all you will read on here is we are champions elect; how Wenger's team selection yesterday paid off in hindsight; and a virus of odds posted from you know who. Been here at this juncture many a time over God knows how many years. Wenger is only ever one win away from being excused. I mean, has anyone just seen Sky News interviewing fans outside the ground? Bar one they all have faith in Wenger? These people do still exist. I am settled in, knowing that Wenger is likely to get a contract extension. I am quite comfortable with it, and to be honest, if Wenger went, I'd miss reading the garbage from AKB HQ. Where else can you get such laughs and hissy fits? And it's all free!

  73. Hiccup

    Sep 30, 2015, 17:46 #76715

    Back to the main bread and butter at the weekend. Will be happy with a point as that should see us still on course for a top 4 place. Because in all of this pantomime let's not forget the ninth AKB Commandment - "it is imperative to finish top 4 to attract the best players with the lure of CL football." Yes, years of this drivel coming home to roost. Sitting on the bench for CL games was what attracted Cech to come over. As a side note, now that we play our League Cup team in Europe, it adds a new angle to that old chestnut of a question, which is harder to win, the League Cup or the FA Cup? Betting is open to see which dumb AKB reckons the League Cup is harder to win than the CL.

  74. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 17:42 #76714

    Hi mgb. Just read your post and it looks like we're on similar pages of the same boring book! Mind you I've actually had a re-think about this and rather than just blame the AKBs I now think us WOBs are part of the problem too. After all we moan and criticise all day long but until 'we' actually take some kind of proper constructive action against Wenger and/or Kroenke nothing will ever change. I mean Mike Dean costs us one game and 100,000 fans sign a petition yet Wenger's costed us thirty times as many yet there's still a reluctance to really go that extra distance to get him out. I'm not saying I know what the answer is but I do know nothing's going to change until the fans actively get on his case and even then he's likely to stick it out!...

  75. John F

    Sep 30, 2015, 17:36 #76713

    Martyn I think it is Jonkers who is being lined up to replace Wenger.Nice cheap low level option which will suit the clubs ambition.

  76. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 17:34 #76712

    Danish Gooner, and we can all just imagine the excuses then.

  77. Alsace

    Sep 30, 2015, 17:23 #76711

    Jamerson. Seriously. This is not a verdict on a one off. There is a previous course of dealing here. A long, long track record of keystone cops behaviour. Someone needs to change the record and that means an end to your favourite manager.

  78. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 17:16 #76710

    In one paper today they've listed five things we learned about Arsenal last night, that's a laugh we've known about them for years (and not been afraid to recognise them and speak of them unlike others)and a hell of a lot more than five.

  79. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:38 #76709

    SORT IT OUT ? yeah right, you couldn't make it up.

  80. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:28 #76708

    Gaz 81128, excellent post and I've already said as much myself in reply over the page.

  81. Badarse

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:27 #76707

    Hello guys, sorry been busy eating my hat, tasted quite nice actually. Someone said 'fedora', but she wasn't hungry.Firstly positives...Blue Moanies are a little happier today. True it depends on how you measure success but the defeat seems to have really given them a boost. Secondly I have bitched for ages that Ospina is a 6-7/10 keeper, and he proved it last night. So all that griping for a new striker, DM, tea lady, manager, owner, medical staff, and stadium missed the obvious, our new acquisition was notable but back up was/is still poor. Thirdly, who couldn't see the remarkable talent Aaron brought to the game when he appeared? Poor awareness defensively for their first, which was going nowhere until it struck the Ox's heel and wrong footed Ospina. Good fortune for them. The second was just a keeper's error, mainly in his standing position. Third was abject lack of responsibility by all concerned when not filling the space that Le Coq would have occupied. Add to this poor finishing by our Theo and a problem result is always on the cards. Once more Santi and Mesut played together and we had little of the 'blood, sweat and tears' that we know we need. At half time I saw the writing on the wall. It said 'westlower and Badarse reached up to here'-with a mark above my head. It also said, 'Beryl does it for free', but she doesn't, believe me. Another said, 'jj rules', but 'jj' was misspelt. So it's insides and entrails, chums. Ball boys did a grand job though.

  82. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:26 #76706

    Nick - short of Wenger abducting their kids, nailing their wives and embezzling their house ownership into his and then changing the Clubs name to Hotspur Arsenal PLC, I cant see the AKB s on here at least becoming the slightest bit put out. In fact if all of the above didn't happen in same calender year and the Wifes defence to his amour were only feeble and half hearted they forgive him all of them. Ive long thought Westie for one is in a Civil Partnership with him already. Its probably why the Wengs Wife has got the hump.

  83. Charles

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:22 #76705

    Is Gerry Peyton still the goalkeeping coach? He should have been sacked years ago. Why don't the squad players play in the reserves so they're somewhat match ready instead of just throwing them straight in to start a game after doing nothing for six weeks?

  84. Cyril

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:18 #76704

    Look on the bright side, we can go for 4th place trophy in the group..

  85. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:18 #76703

    Trev heff, post of the day, (so far)

  86. Man United Killer

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:08 #76702

    Specialist in Failure

  87. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 16:04 #76701

    wally named player of the month, my god we really are in trouble and hard up.

  88. Nick T

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:57 #76700

    Gaz yeah thats exactly what he did but the big difference is the financial position we were in at that time and the one we find ourselves in now. RVP was also a player coming to the end so cashing in suited us nicely. In Sanchez in particular we have a potential superstar with his best years ahead, to see him leave now whilst knowing we have 200m in the bank would surely push even the most ardent AKB too far and then who knows...

  89. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:46 #76699

    Red member - the only thing I hold onto was the fact that Josh was apparently seriously pissed off over the Monaco result. In my mind better they all go but Josh may have his own ideas. I mean he might even want to win something and turn around to old has been and say " how can we help you win the premiership and by the way the target is winning the premiership!' What fun that would be... Expert instant Wenger retirement

  90. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:45 #76698

    Nick T: didn't RVP do just that and as a punishment we sold him to Utd where he went and won a league title!!!...

  91. Nick T

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:42 #76697

    IMO theres only one realistic chance of ousting AW and thats if he lost the dressing room. Choirboys like Feo are perfect for dictatorships but we do have at least a couple of players in Cech & Sanchez who I think have a bit more about them & wouldnt be afraid to challenge Wenger, his decisions and the ambition of the club. I doubt this is currently what they thought they signed up for, question is how far would things have to go before it all comes to a head - bearing in mind last nights performance and team selection perhaps its not as far away as we think. Both are unquestionably made of the right stuff in terms of both talent and mentality and quite simply players of that calibre will only put up with sh*te like that for so long!! They could light the fuse...

  92. Danish Gooner.

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:41 #76696

    And when we enter the Europe League we will play at places that make Hackney marshes look like Wembley.How will his high octane misfits like that ????

  93. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:38 #76695

    Far far away fan, i would absolutely love it if we had to play in the Europa cup, simply and especially because wenger would hate it, but nothing would change or be any different he'd fook it up to.

  94. Hi Berry

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:26 #76694

    Not so long ago someone on here trotted out the statistic that Arsenal were 'the fifth most successful side in the CL' - presumably down to qualifying for knock out stages every year since WW2 and getting into the KO stages every year since King George V died...I hope this year's looming aberration doesn't drop us down to sixth. Like many others on here I did actually laugh out loud when the third went in...was it my imagination or did we actually just have four defenders in the final third of the pitch. The Olympiakos player on the edge of the 'D' had so much space and time he could have performed a three point turn in a bus. Wonder how many of you are casting wistful eyes over at the prime real estate complex that is Highbury and wishing to God we were still back there....if we were it would at least feel like we were a proper football club.

  95. Westlower

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:22 #76693

    In defence of Ospina, he only let in 11 goals in 18 PL games last season & kept a clean sheet 8 times. What helped was BFG, Kos & Monreal playing in 14 of those 18 games. He only let in more than 1 goal on one occasion, which was our 1-2 defeat at the Lane. Cech has already let in 2 goals on 3 occasions so far this season in PL, West Ham, Chelsea, Leicester.

  96. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:10 #76692

    The 'odd defeat'? You're no Arsenal fan if that ms what you think this is all about...

  97. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:10 #76691

    Mark - you beat me to it re Usminov point! Sorry but yr post didnt show before i posted. Had it have done i d have just 'ditto'd' yr view on it. On the nail mate!

  98. jeff wright

    Sep 30, 2015, 15:09 #76690

    Hi Bard, it looked a lost cause right from the start last night with the obvious lack of confidence that our players and Wenger himself were showing. Wenger's personal life has been in turmoil for years now, although attempts have been made by the club to try and avoid this being known . As Sir Ferguson said recently a manager can't just ignore personal problems and he himself decided to call it a day and put away the hair-dyer after a member of his family died and not for any football related issues. Although a man can divorce his wife,or more likely in Wenger's case her divorce him, he can't divorce himself from the impacts of his personal affairs and these can affect him in his work. Wenger's always had issues tactically in his football management time but now he has other problems as well , big-time. Running Stan's business plan doesn't look like much fun for him and he must be fretting and brooding over what the cost to him of his separation from Madam Wenger will cost him - knowing as we do how obsessed with money that he is. All in all it looks to me that Arsene is facing a lot of stress and strain and with himself not being known for handling stress very well it doesn't bode well for the future.

  99. Red Member

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:57 #76688

    Marcus is right in that long term there is a much bigger than Wenger - the Kroenke family. even if Stan Kroenke retires then you may remember that his son Josh Kroenke was elected to the board last yea. Then the fun and games will really begin...

  100. Know Man

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:57 #76689

    @Chris Dee, spot on. I had @goonercolesyboy trying to tell me Ozil is class. In my last quote to him I said Ozil will go missing again, he always does. He's poor. A total waste of space. We can't afford to carry players like him. Especially when we have players like Per & Ospina to carry too. Per is a joke. City pay big money for a German kid, slots in straight away. Ozil, 3 seasons in is still acclimatising. We've bought a player who offers very little. He has one good game in 6. Any other manager would drop Ozil. Not Wenger, he continues rewarding him and is even going to offer an improved contract. I give up.

  101. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:46 #76687

    Westie - AU was being politically correct when he said Wenger would remain. If he took over, AW and most/all of that Board would be out on their ears and they all know it hence him being kept at a distance for so many years by skullduggery and sharp footwork by Kroenke. Fair to say any new owner would sack him. In fact i think Wenger would walk before he was pushed. i remain unsure of AU but the present set up needs expunging for sure. Can AU be less committed to the Club than this greed ridden feckless rabble?

  102. Drew

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:43 #76686

    I was seriously yelling at the TV from half time "Put effing Giroud on!" As it was BLATANTLY obvious we needed a target man for the crosses we were putting in, then after 10 minutes I realized he had gotten himself suspended in the last game. And we had no other striker capable of heading the ball. Absolutely Wengers fault. Stupid goalie choice and he absolutely NEVER gets out of his seat anymore - except to have a winge to the 4th official. Watch any game from the 'glory days' and he was on the sidelines doing the job a manager is supposed to do - controlling and motivating the team. He's supposed to be ****ing helping the team but these days for practically the entire 90 minutes he just sits on his ass.

  103. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:38 #76685

    Kev, you've used one word in your excellent article and it describes this old done manager down to a T (many others do also)but this one especially, Arrogance, and arrogance of the highest order.

  104. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:38 #76684

    Westlower - I think that Usmamov made that comment to appear more palatable and you may wish to appear a steady guy rather than a revolutionary when taking over Arsenal. Usmanov has though also been critical of Wenger and I don't think he would last 5 minutes if Usmanov took over. I think Wenger would throw in his cards anyway. The Nigerian chap has more or less said he is out so Wenger is wed to Stan. What a combo! last picture I saw of Stan I didn't think he looked well. I would even take Josh Kronke at this time simply to get more dynamism.

  105. Bob

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:36 #76683

    There are comparisons with the last couple of years of the Terry Neill era, rather than the more sterile but still defensively sound end of the Graham reign. We have a few top-drawer players (for Woodcock and Sansom read Sanchez and - ermm....sure there are others!). On our day we can run riot. But we are pourous defensively and there are too many 'weak sisters' (as with the Neill side). Neill went a couple of weeks after we won 2-1 away to Tottenham in the League Cup, when we proceeded to lose to Walsall in the next round. Anyone for Wednesday?!!

  106. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:34 #76682

    I watched the match on BT sport and 3e (i think) in ireland.both stations commented on how silent the arsenal supporters were last nite.were there corporates there for the CL or were you all in fear at what might happen.some one said doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sign of madness.so is the manager now mad?can the players not gee up for a CL match?

  107. CT Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:18 #76681

    So Jamerson drew the short straw, having to come on and sound like an idiot defending the indefensible. At what point will these supposed Arsenal fans wake up and see what our once proud club has become. We're told to "man up" and "support our club", and don't get me wrong, I want to, but then I'm reminded about how utterly ****e our manager is. No for me, "supporting the club" is asking for our mangers firing or resignation forth with.

  108. Tony Evans

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:17 #76680

    Hi Gaz - Shame we can't take our club seriously anymore, but what can you do in the face of Wenger's continuing ineptitude and arrogance.

  109. Westlower

    Sep 30, 2015, 14:15 #76679

    @Marcus, Your argument is flawed as Usmanov has stated that he would keep Wenger as manager if he gained control of the board room. It may be bulls**t or or maybe true but I suspect we'll never find out.

  110. siza

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:58 #76677

    Aresnal was never going to win the Champuons league anyway. Its better to get out completely from Europe as early as possible. No Europa!!!!!!!! Concentrate on the league!!!!!!

  111. ATID

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:57 #76676

    I have just woken up from a Wenger induced coma and having read the match report I am confused. Is he still our manager? What year is it?

  112. Bard

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:57 #76675

    Really good post Jeff. This mob dont look like they have it in them to put up much of a fight when the going gets tough. I can see the season unravelling very quickly through a combination of incompetence and injuries. It looked a total mess last night.

  113. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:57 #76674

    As Maureen said Wenger is under no pressure!! The club is a complete joke and the problem for me is Kronke I don't even want to talk about the clown Wenger!! Kronke is the problem as he keeps him in the job, he is clearly happy with profit with minimal risk outlay model!! He is the worst type of owner to have!! He has no ambition of winning the big trophies he might say he does but the evidence is not there to support that!! HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU LOSE TO ZAGREB AND OLYMPIANKOS?? It's comical and for sackable offences!! But the clown won't be sacked as kroenke love the returns!! The man has taken out 6 million in the last 2 years apparently for advisory services Loool absolutely comical. The man is paying himself dividends. I'm just shocked still a lot of arsenal fans put up with this nonsense we are being taken for MUGS!! WAKE UP FOOLS!! THIS CLUB IS BEING RUN POORLY! KRONKE IS TAKING US FOR STUPID FOOLS!! Actually yesterday the stadium was not full at all! Keown thought it was because the fans where still eating lool!! Fans just did not turn up!! Wenger is way past it!! Was 10 years ago, but I don't want to waste my energy talking about him!! The problem is kroenke we have to force him out!! Wengers worse nightmare is Usmanov. You see he hates him whenever his name comes up!!

  114. jeff wright

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:55 #76673

    GoonerRon, the opposition are aware of Wenger's gung-ho Kevin Keegan style tactics and unless they agree to play along with them and see who can score the most goals then we have problems. I noticed at the start of last night's farce that our players looked less than self-confident,probably realizing that Olympiacos were going to prove to be a bit tougher than Leicester were, so opted to pass the ball around sideways like they were playing pass the parcel to music for about ten minutes in our own half. This brought the normal time left to play down to 80 minutes. A bit odd this considering that it was for us , according to Wenger himself, a must win game. Wenger himself just sat next to a depressed looking Bould wringing his hands as he is won't to do looking pale and stressed out,he never got up to remonstrate with any of our players about their obvious alacrity to get stuck into the opposition by going for goals rather than them just make meaningless possession retaining passes . The Greeks were obviously not bothered about that. It was only after they scored first that we showed any ambition .The only person I saw Wenger shout at during the game was as usual the 4th official ,what he was complaining about though only he knows. Wenger's hint that something was amiss with Cech and that's why he was rested is bollocks. Wenger's comments about Ospina keeping 14 clean sheets last season and having had a 'great game ' at Tottenham last week ( did he>?)provide the real answer. Wenger overrates Ospina just as he did Almunia,Flappy and ciggie Chesnay - how is he getting on now days >? It's not just the Chickens ( cluck cluck) that have come home to roost at the Emirates Stadium ,vultures are now hovering above it and casting dark ominous shadows across Arsene's little self indulgent land.

  115. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:38 #76672

    Jamerson - again you are asking the wrong people to man up. It is Wenger needs to man up and go. The WOBs have on the whole accepted that Wenger is way past his sell buy date, unable to deal with pressing football and a whole other host of issues. I venture where you see real upset is when someone has finally had enough. A few in the pub I was in last night plainly were in that situation. So man up do what, more defeats. It is Wenger needs to man up and those sorry AKB's who still exist need to get a reality check

  116. Cyril

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:36 #76670

    This could unravel quicker than Jeremy Corbyn's Blairites. He has always done just enough and ofcourse the formula is - qualify for Champions League, and this part is crucial - get thru to the knock out stages. He then avoids footy on Thursday. His squad and his purchases are geared up for this every year. However, if we play Europa this year, how will he look if we go out to getafe for e.g in the last 256 knockout stage etc... Hey may have to go for it because we want to watch Arsenal do well and a 2nd no-show may be too much to stomach. At this point, where does this leave his chase for which well now become the top 3 positions. As by default and design, he has contributed to us potentially losing the extra place in Europe, I would assume. Chelsea could win the Europa as they stock up on the their squad. Can we? Interesting times as the politicians say ....

  117. DJ

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:32 #76669

    Ron: If we know what we know now he should have gone after our 2006 Champions League defeat. A new manager and our new ground and Arsene would have been immortalised as our greatest ever manager eclipsing even Herbert. As it is he has now completely ruined his legacy and is now despised by over half the fan base! A sorry state of affairs indeed!

  118. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:24 #76668

    Hi Tony. When that third went in I shouted very loudly then like you just laughed at the stupidity of it all. Even my daughter just smiled! I'll never lose respect for what Wenger did for us and I'll never abuse him but I now despise him and just want him to leave...

  119. DJ

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:20 #76666

    As much as I despise the Chelsea manager he is right when he says every manager is under pressure except one! Any other manager in charge of a so called elite club would have been relived of his position after such a dereliction of duty!

  120. John Gage

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:20 #76665

    "You have sat here long enough for any good that you may have done...In the name of God, GO !!!" - Oliver Cromwell

  121. Tony Evans

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:18 #76664

    Jamerson apart, who else was surprised by last night's shambolic performance? It doesn't even hurt anymore does it, and I was actually laughing when their 3rd goal went in. I gather Wenger says we were 'unlucky' (I can't stomach even listening to him now) so that's ok then. As long as it was nothing to do with his team selection or the naivety of the majority of his players. Kevin - you must be sick to the stomach having to write reports on games like these!

  122. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:15 #76662

    Off topic a bit but not off the wider issues, i wonder if privately from time to time AW has ever looked in a mirror and cast his thoughts and sentiments back to when he was a driven Coach, managing real players, at a football Club once of tradition and pedigree, chasing more footballing honour and glory and ruefully admitted to himself that these last 10 yrs have been a total sham of an experience and a contradiction to his closely held footballing values and desires? As an intelligent man, im pretty sure that he has, albeit knowing that he sacrificed his integrity on the alter of his and the Clubs personal financial gain. To be honest, i think when he leaves, though he ll go to a fanfare of acclaim, in his own mind there will be many regrets and moments of painful self analysis. Its very sad that its come to this. In a retrospective ideal World, he ll wish that he had departed and sought new pastures just after the 2005 FAC i venture.

  123. Ruislip Bob

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:14 #76661

    We were poor in defence and good going forward. Wenger had a bad night. Other managers have bad nights. We are lucky to have him. Let's be positive. Man U on Sunday. COYG.

  124. Peter Wain

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:10 #76659

    an awful performance helped by unfathomable team selection and a disastrous transfer policy laid bare by having no striker on the bench.he does not learn does he and it is only going to get worse.

  125. GoonerRon

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:08 #76658

    So utterly frustrating. Why the **** can't we just have a fast start now and again? Show some zip in our passing, some purpose in our movement and get ahead early. It kills their game plan of sitting in and counter-attacking. SORT IT OUT!

  126. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:05 #76657

    I used to think that most of the pro-Wenger apolagists were Arsenal fans first and completely bonkers second. Now I just reckon they're just completely bonkers because nobody can be that stupid in trying to make any excuse whatsoever for conceding three times and losing two games to sides from Greece and Crotaia. It used to be kind of funny listening to them defending the indefensible now its just plain f*cking stupid and irritating. As far as I'm concerned they're just as big a part of the problem as Wenger and I hope they **** off with him when he finally decides to do the right and decent thing...

  127. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 13:00 #76656

    wally scoring one in four like a dunce, nice one Kev, they're all bloody dunces every last one of them from the old past it manager sitting on the bench without a clue rubbing his hooter with his hand, to the little pansies on the pitch, the only thing any of them can count is their money. wenger out.

  128. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:56 #76655

    Hi Gaz - Fair point and well made mate.

  129. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:51 #76654

    Hi Ron. Cant think of anything worse than watching a Wenger led Arsenal in the Europa league. On the one hand we'll be a laughing stock yet on the other if we even just managed to get to the final a lot of fans would use that as vindication for Wenger getting yet another new deal. This is just complete madness now and as Le Grove said this morning 'It’s a poisonous loop we’re stuck in. One that doesn’t break until the manager leaves the club'...

  130. Trev Heff

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:50 #76653

    I have grown to despise Arsene Wenger. It pains me to type those words. To think back to 1997 - 2006, everything he has done for the club and think that I could ever have such thoughts is unfathomable. But it's true. I'm glad he didn't spend any money in the summer. Without proper tactics and preparation, as many of you have mentioned, it would have been wasted. Dear Arsene, just for info, it's not bad luck if the same thing happens again and again and again. As well as being the definition of madness it actually maybe points to a deeper problem????? Lets face it, if Arsene did ever step down, Kroenke wouldn't let a new manager spend significant funds. But still, zero spend but logical selection and tactics would be a dramatic improvement on the current farce. If anyone needs cheering up have a go at this: Re-watch last nights game on mute but with the Benny Hill music playing in the background. It fits brilliantly!!

  131. Barnaby

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:50 #76652

    The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results, this proves TOF is clinically insane lololol, also I think even when Wenger decides to leave, it wont change much cuz mr kroenke will only employ someone who is happy to come 4th lolol

  132. mbg

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:48 #76651

    It's an old and worn out quip now (just like our useless old past a manager) but are any of us surprised? another record for wenger the has been, one we'll not hear about to often. wenger out.

  133. DJ

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:46 #76650

    As has been highlighted here the most frustrating thing her is nothing ever changes. We might as well have Bill Murray as our manager with Andie McDowell as his assistant!!!

  134. AJH

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:41 #76649

    Just how did the conversation go between Wenger & Cech ? I doubt that Arsene told him he would not play in the champions league as I am sure he would have looked for another club offering just that. As many have mentioned it could well spell the end for Arsene when we do not get through the group. We all know he wont quit and just hang around longer dragging us probably in to the Europa league JOY !

  135. Gaz

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:39 #76648

    Ah stop your constant whinging for gawds sake!!! How many times do you need to be told we just cant compete with the likes of West Ham, Dinamo Zagreb, Olympiakos, PSV, Swansea, Hull, Wigan, Villa....

  136. jeff wright

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:34 #76647

    I agree with Red Member that Wenger's position is safe - at the moment that is. Failure to secure the big bucks group stage cash next season however could change things because Stan depends on that more than he does by winning trophies .There is no money to be made out of winning the FA Cup or in the Europa one either - so everything is geared up at AFC to win a group stage Champions League place - because that's where the money is. Wenger is safe so long has he keeps producing that cash every season . These poor results by the English clubs in Europe though are likely to see the 4th place qualifier spot go to Seria A next season and this makes things a bit trickier for Wenger because he usually relies on getting 4th and winning qualifiers against weak Europa Cup class sides to get into the Champions League group stage. His much vaunted European claims about always qualifying for Europe miss the out the fact that he mainly does so from a Europa Cup class position and always comes unstuck against proper Champions League sides,or even not so proper ones, in the knock - out stages. This season , in his first ever non-seeded group stage( surprise surprise ) he will probably most likely fail to even get out of it. Sunday's league game against top of the table United is a bigger one for Wenger than the ones against Bayern Munich - he can afford to go out of the Champions League because the group stage cash is already won - losing in Prem games though is far more dangerous for him .As I said yesterday Wenger is like a rat on a wheel going around and around to nowhere - working away every season to qualify for the Champions League but without the squad - and tactical nous on his own part - to actually ever win the thing .All rather pointless and boring really the bland coffee lattee crowd of AKB's that pass for Arsenal supporters these days at the 'Arsenal Stadium' as it is known in the 'we don't want any sponsors names used if we don't get our bung' Platini land , will carry on turning up to spend their money and also the tourists for their Emirates Experience at Week-ends . The English Premier League is big business world wide wherever you go and it's this factor that has brought the American businessmen over here to get a slice of the action.American sports are not popular outside the States their so called 'World series' ones are in reality just American domestic teams with very limited appeal to a world wide audience that is mainly interested in 'soccer'. Only a failure by Wenger to miss it out on the money to be made from this global audience will see him, and possibly Stan as well, depart . The only other thing that might drive the control-freak Wenger away is his personal life, that is ,like his football one ,in a mess .The big problem is that turning things around will not be easy to do and things could get even worse for him . You couldn't make it up.

  137. PerryG

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:33 #76646

    The funny thing is i rarely get annoyed anymore, when i'm sitting through games like that last night i dont feel anything, i'm so used to them by now. The club dont care for major trophies, if they did, Wenger would be gone a long time ago. The balance sheet is all that matters and getting into the group stages of a competition we have no hope of winning is the bottom line. I haven't given the club a penny since 2010 and wont until Kroenke, Wenger and Co leave and we become a genuine & ambitious football club again. As Red member astutely alludes to, the type of 'fan' we now attract is typical of the malaise running through the club

  138. Westlower

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:32 #76645

    @DJ, The 2-8 mauling was largely due to circumstances leading up to that game, there were no valid excuses last night. It was the worst result in Arsenals CL history. The hope is it will give everyone a massive kick up the arse to get a result on Sunday against Man U. Believe it or not, we are favourites at Evens, with the Mankies at 11/4. I fancy it'll be a draw at 5/2. We are as low as 3/1 to win the PL with VC. The world didn't end last night, it just felt like it!

  139. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:32 #76644

    Martyn - The dreaded prospect of Mr Henry indeed! A view ive echoed a few times. One morose gallic sulker out of the front door, another in the image of the former in the back door! All very cosy and surreptitiously planned as expected. Heaven help us.

  140. Bard

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:29 #76643

    Strong stuff Kev. Its been said many times on here but we are watching the last knockings of the Wenger reign. From the clubs point of view last night was a disaster not for footballing reasons but financial ones. Failure to qualify means Stan might have to freeze ticket prices again and loses the money from the qualifying for last 16. The team have regressed since last year but whether that will have any effect remains to be seen. They looked tactically moribund last night. Ospina's gaffe was a distraction its more significant that apparently he is contracted to play in games and Cech wasnt injured as Wenger suggested. Man U looks like this season's make or break. If we get thrashed the knives will be out in full force.

  141. Pistolpete

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:27 #76642

    Anyone notice Gibbs trying to clear the ball with both hands off the line when Ospina was juggling? That's just what we would have needed Gibbo, a red card and a penalty before half time. Another example of how AW leaves the players to their own decisions and leaves them to it. Once again they let him down (Sanchez aside) So many unforced mistakes and every week seems to be the same culprits. Ramsey taking too many touches. Cazorla getting walked past. Ox running into 3 men. Ozil forgetting what colour shirt we are wearing. Ospina could have had a solid night and justified his inclusion but he has a mare and highlights the decision to leave Cech out. Players totally letting AW down - his crime is not replacing them, either in the game or in the summer, and not laying his boot in when they let him down. How can he expect them to run through brick walls for him when he isn't showing any kind of fight? Would love a change in the summer. Klopp would be good. Guardiola would be better.

  142. DJ

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:14 #76641

    My epiphany was the 8-2 drubbing a Old Trafford surely last night saw the last of the die hards see the emperor without any clothes or any idea for that matter!

  143. Adam

    Sep 30, 2015, 12:06 #76640

    It seems an agreement has been made with Ospina regarding cup competitions, yet this agreement is killing our CL hopes. Basically, the entire squad are suffering because of a promise made to a second string goal keeper. Cant Wenger step up and say, sorry David, but this is business and results are priority? It reminds of of the time when he said, 'If I sign a midfielder, what do I tell Denilson'. Its as if Wenger is running an under 5's team making a conscious effort to give every kid equal playing time in the name of fairness, and not wanting to hurt the players of feelings. Anyone else hear the story about Pat Rice getting stuck into the players at half time, only for Wenger tell him not to yell at the players. FFS, no wonder the team can never grow when they are babied. Despite tactics and preparation being inadequate, the players will never go that extra bit further, because they have never been pushed. Thats the real big issue.

  144. Martyn

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:45 #76639

    There can be little doubt even among the AW loyalists that a top, world class manager like Klopp would transform this squad of players and introduce new thinking, motivation and strategy. I believe the players themselves are crying out for it. Look at Ox; a player with great potential looking deflated and frankly miserable. Sanchez too must be wondering what the hell he's signed up to. So much disarray and probably disharmony behind the scenes. I don't listen to what Wenger has to say anymore because he doesn't talk to me as a fan. We'll probably beat Man Utd and everything will be ok once more but the frustrations built on lack of progress and sticking rather than twisting in the transfer market will re-emerge time and time again until someone with balls intervenes and says enough is enough. I can't see it happening though, but I will predict that Wenger will see out his current contract and the successor will be Henry. The wait goes on.

  145. Mathew

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:44 #76638

    Thanks Kevin for your report, I must agree that the story has been similar for years. Please note that Neur played for Bayern against Zagreb, and Cech would've had 5 days to recover against United. Agreed that player rotation is a must, but you need to have an equally talented second string team as well. Ozil will leave this year, enough of him as he cant be a liability to this team anymore.

  146. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:34 #76637

    Oddly enough Jamie, many of us with haughty eyes would embrace the Europa Cup. Only those with no eyes, who can only but fail to see the malaise of the Club (such as you) recognised yrs ago that the Europa Cup is the standard that Wengers teams are fit for. Having said all of this, we all know that Wenger, sanctioned by Kroenke would in their familiar sickening arrogance abort it as an irrelevancy rather than viewing it as a vehicle to gaining some long needed European credibility for once. Its a fair assumption to expect similar embarrassments to last night if this team played Europa Cup opponents as a result.The tone of your own post shows that you would be of a similar disposition. No surprise there. Try opening those perennially glazed eyes of yours for once.

  147. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:33 #76636

    If Kroenke wanted a cash cow club to fund his Stateside ambitions he should have bought West Ham, they will be in an absolute prime location for money making and no stadium debt.

  148. Clockend Mike

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:33 #76635

    Thank you Kev- you hit the nail on the head, again. To be honest I am not surprised at last night's result and I don't think others are either. Jeff has already alluded to this on another thread that the club is currently concentrating on next seasons CL qualification due to the financial rewards it provides. It feels that from the clubs perspective, the result against Leicester was more important than the result last night. If that is the case, Ozzie's observations are spot on.

  149. Smithy

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:28 #76634

    What we should do to improve. In the summer move on ospina,chesney, Gibbs, debuchy, per , kos,ozil, arteta, Rosicky,Campbell and Giroud. Ideally Boulder and arsene too! Bring back Jenkingson, Martinez, promote iwobi and Adelaide. Buy a number 2 keeper,two Italian centre backs- they know how to defend, 2 defensive midfielders and two world class forwards. Not much work to do then... Root and branch needed on the playing side and gazidis and klonky out. Dein and Usmanov in. There's so much deadwood at the emirates.

  150. Mac

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:16 #76633

    Good post Kevin. Last night was a classic Arsene shambles. It's not that rotating the team wasn't appropriate. Our players yesterday were more than capable of beating Olympicaos. All the players had been "first team" at one time anyhow. The problem was that they came in and there was not enough desire and absolutely no organisation. The buck stops at Arsene.....again. Enough

  151. Rob

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:11 #76632

    Very good report Kev and it's impossible to dissent from most of it. Wenger's failure to properly scout the opposition and take their qualities into account is just baffling and infuriating in equal measure. But I was intrigued to read this :- "(and the growing view on this is that the money in the Arsenal coffers is being used as security for Stan Kroenke’s sporting ambitions Stateside, with the manager complicit)". There's been plenty of speculation about this for some time. Have you or the Gooner any further info' ?

  152. Westlower

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:10 #76631

    Arsenal to lose all 6 group games is 33/1. Still only 11/4 to qualify.

  153. Made Up Stat

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:09 #76630

    On the button again Kevin. Expect more dodgy emissions from Arsenal Central than a fleet of VW cars.

  154. billthered

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:08 #76629

    The problem OGL has had for a number of years is that he always looks at the game after the one he should be thinking about.Zagreb were there to be taken so we rest five or six players for the Chelsea game what happens is two defeats, Olympiacos must win game but lets think about sundays game against Man Utd what happens? If you look back over the years he is littered with this problem and will not be questioned regarding team selection.When we had a great team we still lost many a cup game because playing the likes of Aliadere instead of Henry, Stepanovs and the like instead of proven world class players still haunts me. He said Cech had a slight injury but no one asked him if he had the same injury in Zagreb. We should go and get Klop before the micky mousers grab him but there again OGL is bomb proof. The only way I'm afraid is do what I did give up your season tickets as we are now only a cash cow for yankeedoodledandy.

  155. Ozzie

    Sep 30, 2015, 11:03 #76628

    Now why risk top players in the remaining CL games when it is obviously beyond the club to progress further? Better to keep the players fresh and concentrate on the domestic scene where there is some hope, at least.

  156. Red Member

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:57 #76627

    there are too many people missing the point on here. talk of outcry from the fans etc etc. there is no outcry from the fans at the stadium and the traditional fanbase is no longer required now that we are a worldwide brand. Wenger has never been more secure after winning those 2 FA Cups.

  157. Mike Collins

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:52 #76626

    Nick T: Per is the man selected to state the bleedin' obvious on this occasion. Perhaps he's too Friendly for his own good sometimes.

  158. Kerryman Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:50 #76625

    Do not despair, my fellow Gooners. Last night was the beginning of the end for Wenger. Kroenke will miss the European income and that will move him to act. This team has no power, except for Sanchez. Will he stay for next season ? They cannot compete at set pieces. They cannot handle pressure. Will finish outside top 4. Outcry from the fans will be huge. Kronke will sack him next summer. He has to. Wenger is destroying the huge legacy he built up in 1996 to 2005.

  159. Ron

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:42 #76623

    Hi Kev - the debate has been over for some years really hasnt it. The Club are regressing rapidly now. They ll not win another major honour under Wenger and that's been obvious for quite some years to those not too fearful to look. The Club from its Boardroom downwards needs gutting, the tumours need lifting out. Surgical adjustments to that squad wont change things one iota. New ownership backing a new Coach with a shared vision has never been more needed there than now. The place is choking on its own cobwebs. An incoming Coach there really would need 5 years of support to oust the deadwood. Many of them would hang around on long contracts taking the money and those that can be shifted aren't going to command enormous fees. Theres the odd player who would fetch an inflated fee by birthright alone, but a new man MUST be one with the courage to build from the bottom upwards and impose his personality and strength of purpose on an ailing Club thats been steeped in its soft touch, social Club mentality for a decade at least and probably longer if the truth be known. This Season is over. for me they should grasp the nettle now and dispense with Wengers services, start with an interim holding team in his place. Pay the man off and thank him, for his own peace of mind as well as that of the Club. Only then can a start be made. The ownership glue pot will then look after itself one hopes.

  160. Far far away fan

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:39 #76622

    I'm actually looking forward to playing in the Europa League. Perhaps we can win the entire thing. Surely we can swat aside these little known clubs and lift the cup. My gut tells me that we have more chances of winning the Europa Cup than the FA Cup (most certainly more than the league). On a side note, we do need taller players. It's embarrasing how short our players are.

  161. Nick T

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:37 #76621

    Wonder who'll they'll trot out on the club website today to give it the 'we need to respond' website PR bollocks. Decisions decisions......

  162. Nick

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:30 #76620

    You just about said it all Kevin, we were wasteful in front of goal, mediocre in midfield and apart from Gabriel hopeless at the back, no doubt the players will be on social media saying how we must learn " lessons" from this game , how boring and patronising that has become,of the team on display last night only Alexis Sanchez deserves credit and absolution from blame, tireless and sharp, Walcott proved yet again he is not a natural striker , two glaring misses both when players were in better positions summed up his night of hit and miss, Ozil was again mostly anonymous, Chamberlain tried hard , but the overwhelming impression of the team was of naivety! Wenger has NO idea when it comes to changing things, taking off le coq and leaving Ozil on illustrates his " charge of the light brigade " philosophy , my one consolation from this is that we will now probably finish bottom of the group depending on Zagrebs results, which will avoid the annual first knock out stage humiliation and the need to play on Thursday nights, perhaps it will mean a more serious tilt at the league cup, and a more sustained attempt to cling to the shirttails of the real title contenders, we were never in a million years going to actually win the CL. A good motivater and organiser could I'm sure get more out of this current squad, but it seems beyond Wenger,if he had any honour he would step aside and let a younger man take over, a younger man with ambition and drive, to replace stubbornness and arrogance!!

  163. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:25 #76619

    You could keep that post Kev and use it for the rest of the season, it says it all, even if it has been a reoccurring theme over the last 8 years. However this is no longer an Arsene problem, we all can see that the team are not prepared or coached to play "big pitch" football, we are coached like a five a side team, plenty of possession and nothing above head height. No, our problem now is that the board have to make the changes and as they do not have a clue about a football club's coaching or management structure we are rudderless, and will be until the bottom line starts going south. I do find it amazing that fans can't see these type of results coming - although I do fear that in the next few weeks it is going to get a whole lot worse. This is turning out to be a very bizarre season indeed.

  164. Red Member

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:23 #76618

    lots of passion on here as usual but it is a different story at the stadium. Last night I saw huge queues at the Arsenal shop, huge queues for what they call food inside the stadium and no dissent towards Wenger during the match. The club now knows it has achieved its fanbase and that it doesnt require any ambition to win anything anymore. In fact the club doesnt even need to buy any players anymore! Wenger is a complete genius! I think it is more likely he will be asked to stay on after his current contract than to get sacked. After all we all want to help pay for his divorce settlement dont we!

  165. Tony Evans

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:23 #76617

    Extract from a Wenger / Bould conversation dated 28/09/15: Wenger: Great idea for the must win game tomorrow Bould: What's that Gaffer? Wenger: Boss! Bould: Sorry what's that Boss? Wenger: W'll drop Cech and start with our number two keeper Bould: Won't the fans want us to play our strongest side? Wenger: Who gives a merde about them Bould: But Wenger interrupting: You're not disagreeing with me are you? Bould: No of course not, great idea Boss.

  166. chris dee

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:21 #76616

    Please no more mention of Ospina.We did not play like arrogant,disinterested,foppish,big time Charlies because of him. A I've said before we will never win any major trophy with Carzola and Ozil playing in the same side,although I don't think the word 'playing' really applies to Ozil as I've never seen a so called great player disappear and hide in so many games.As usual Arsene's arrogance in not addressing our lack of defensive organisation has hit us hard again. I have to now reluctantly agree with those who say we will never the Premiership again or the Champions League while Arsene is still in charge.

  167. Wear Your Colours

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:20 #76615

    I trudged home from the game very disappointed last night. Olympiacos were well organised and defended well but we gifted them three goals with some sloppy defensive play. We have really given ourselves a mountain to climb as there is little margin for error in the remaining four group fixtures. The positive from the game last night was that Theo and Alexis linked well for both the goals. Hopefully that is something they can build on starting with the game against United. A win on Sunday would be a great way to bounce back. COYG!

  168. Westlower

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:20 #76614

    The Comedy of Errors continues whenever we have an 'easy' home game in the CL. Last season & so far this season we have conceded 3 goals on 4 occasions. Stoke away in the PL, with the other 3 coming at home in the CL, Anderlecht, Monaco & Olympiakos. So what happens when we play inferior teams at home in CL? Do we get over anxious to dispatch the opposition leaving the back door open? Should we stop playing with two raiding full backs & play defenders Debuchy & Monreal instead of Bellerin & Gibbs or one of each type? Reading between the lines there must be an agreement in place for Ospina to play in the Cup competitions. We continue to struggle to break down teams who park the bus at the Emirates. Player rotation is unavoidable with injuries & suspensions,etc but surely we need to bed down our preferred defensive unit. To date we have only had the same back 4 + GK on 3 occasions, Stoke, Newcastle & Chelsea (until Gabriel was sent off). It may or may not be significant that we didn't concede any goals when using a using a defensive unit of Cech, Bellerin, Gabriel, Kos & Monreal when all remained on the pitch. Out of 9 games so far this season we've played 6 different defensive units & with Kos out for the foreseeable the disruption continues.

  169. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:18 #76613

    Even the ultimate mug Colesy must see Wengers nearing an end

  170. GS

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:14 #76612

    Looks like Chesny had a good night too...bet he had a few ciggies under the shower in Borisov

  171. jjetplane

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:13 #76611

    Brilliant stuff Kevin and your best yet! Wenger would be thrown out at any other club for his shocking attitude towards the fans of the club. Been saying forever this accountant has done nothing for this club and with DB10 and Adams there before him the club would still have been winning trophies with a proper football coach. Wenger is distant in every sense and his squad have digested his pathological arrogance which soon turns to anxiety as the defensive wallpaper peels off. Of course that just leaves the one option which they must talk about in training. Put the BFG up front! Masterclass!

  172. TJ

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:07 #76609

    The best football we have played since leaving Highbury was when Steve Bould first joined. We played deeper, with a slower build up of attacks, excellent wing tracking back and tight DM cover, while Mertesacker looked great as a sweeper, stepping up with others to do the trade mark GG offside call. Defensively we were looking really so solid we hadn't even conceded a goal, that was before Wenger took charge tactically with the Chelsea game and returned to the stupidly attacking style. It's true we hadn't scored many, but that was because of Giroud's poor finishing (still a problem now...). It's no coincidence that several the players cited Bould as important up till then. AOC said he had been 'paramount' in their improved defensive displays. Mourinho says this team should be champions given the quality of players. That time confirmed for me that we do have great players but they need proper defensive and tactical coaching. We can see by performances in Europe how weak the EPL teams and we could have dominated for the last few years, that is, without a fraud of a manager at the helm.

  173. RedPig

    Sep 30, 2015, 10:01 #76608

    Great stuff Kevin. There certainly is no sporting ambition at the club anymore. Hasn't been for a long time and I wonder if there ever will be again. Its quite clear what the priorities are. We have an absurd situation where qualifying for the CL is more important to the club than doing well in it. CL will be sacrificed if they hinder finishing in the top 4 ... and that means there is no doubt whatsoever that the Europa league would be treated with contempt by Wenger. He'll hate having to play so many Thursday & Sunday games. Arsenal Football Club 1886 - 2006 RIP

  174. Mike Collins

    Sep 30, 2015, 9:56 #76606

    Spot on, Kev, and now us Gooners will have our predictable say here which will be ignored by a club that has grown remote from its true lifeblood, us the fans. It's tempting to go on and try to be clever or sarcastic, but the truth is we will win nothing this year and that's purely down to AW and his accomplices. What a shambles!

  175. Its up for grabs now

    Sep 30, 2015, 9:53 #76605

    Not much point at all the gnashing of teeth that will happen on here today, after last nights defeat, because it’s not as if anyone surely believes that this Arsenal team could actually go on to win the CL do they? No thought not, but don’t get me wrong, I am hardly a Wenger fan, in fact I want him gone, but the CL is completely academic, because the qualifying for the group stages is what our club is purely about today, remember our ‘Fourth Placed Trophy’. It’s a competition purely to make it appear we are one of the big boys, pocket the money, but whilst Wenger remains in charge there is more chance of me winning lottery, than us progressing to the final, let alone actually winning it. Hence last night result probably does us a big favour in the long run, because the second string European competition is much more a realistic target for us to compete in. Although with a double header against Bayern coming up, we might even miss out on that this time around, as even finishing third does now look beyond Wenger!

  176. Rob

    Sep 30, 2015, 9:52 #76604

    Only Wneger can afford to rest players for the 2 opening games of a CL campaign because he is answerable to no one but him self. His is untouchable, he is the Emperor!

  177. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 30, 2015, 9:49 #76602

    Is the way this club is managed satire?