#FlashbackFriday – Man Utd at Home

Part two of a lookback at visits from this Sunday’s opponents



#FlashbackFriday – Man Utd at Home

Stapleton: Dirty deeds done cheap?


Over the two years which followed the 1979 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Manchester United, the two sides would draw 0-0 at Highbury in August 1979 and Arsenal would win 2-1 at home against United in December 1980 with goals from Graham Rix and Paul Vaessen. During this same period, Manchester United increased their spending in the transfer market, with £825,000 for Ray Wilkins from Chelsea, £1.25 million for Garry Birtles from European champions Nottingham Forest, £600,000 for Remi Moses and £1.8 million for Bryan Robson both from West Bromwich Albion. There had also been change at the helm at Old Trafford with the death of Chairman Louis Edwards from a heart attack in February 1980 just weeks after a ‘World In Action’ expose on financial irregularities. His son Martin, who allegedly preferred Rugby, took over as Chairman.

In August of 1981, new Manchester United boss Ron Atkinson swooped for Frank Stapleton from Arsenal with the paltry fee of £900,000 in comparison to the £2 million which Arsenal were seeking, set by an FA tribunal. According to Phil Soar and Martin Tyler’s Official History of Arsenal, Martin Edwards would comment afterwards that he wasn’t sure how United could afford the wages which they offered Stapleton to outbid Arsenal. Sir Matt Busby would also resign from Man Utd’s board of Directors in protest at Man Utd’s level of spending in the close season of 1981. As Martin Edwards would explain with regard to the signing of Bryan Robson: ‘he didn’t agree with the size of the fee. We paid £1.8m but Matt was against it. He thought it was a ridiculous amount of money to pay for a player and resigned. He didn’t want to cope with the magnitude of that kind of fee’.

In the Thatcherite spirit of the age, in the years ahead the answer as to how Man Utd would recover their outlay came in Edwards lobbying the powers that be to redistribute football’s wealth more heavily in favour of the bigger clubs within the Football League, even once going as far as making the crass comment that: ‘the smaller clubs are bleeding the game dry. For the sake of the game, they should be put to sleep’. Such moves included allowing the home side to keep 100% of the gate receipts in 1983 (with United, who even at that time had the highest average gate, being the obvious beneficiaries) and a proposed independent breakaway Super League from the Football League set up of distributing TV money evenly among the ninety two clubs. Edwards also would very soon find allies in the shape of Arsenal’s David Dein, Tottenham’s Irving Scholar and along with the two Merseyside clubs, would form the ‘Big Five’ which would successfully lobby for the formation of the FA Premier League by the early 1990s.

With regard to the competitive balance within the Arsenal v Man Utd. fixture at Highbury, it would take eighteen months and three goalless draws before the balance visibly shifted in the first leg of the League Cup Semi Final at Highbury in 1983, with United racing into a four goal lead with goals from Norman Whiteside, Frank Stapleton and two for Steve Coppell, with Arsenal pulling two back with goals from Peter Nicholas and Tony Woodcock. Frank Stapleton however, as seen from this post-game interview with Thames News, would shrug off the vitriol of Arsenal fans from that evening. Arsenal would go on to be eliminated over two legs 3-6. United however would lose the final 1-2 at Wembley to Liverpool, who on securing their third successive League Cup allowed Bob Paisley in his retirement year to climb the steps at Wembley to collect the cup.

Arsenal wouldn’t have to wait long for an opportunity to enact revenge on Man Utd. in the FA Cup Semi Final that year and took an early lead at Villa Park with a goal from Tony Woodcock, however sadly would be defeated 1-2. Vengeance would finally come to Arsenal at Highbury in the League in May, however it wouldn’t be caught by the TV cameras. Arsenal won 3-0 with goals from David O’Leary and two for Brian Talbot, however the crucial incident came with Peter Nicholas feigning injury to get the unpopular Remi Moses sent off and suspended for the 1983 FA Cup Final, a form of revenge for his X-rated challenge on David O’Leary in the League Cup Semi Final first leg at Highbury.

United went on to meet relegated Brighton and Hove Albion in the final, just scraping through the first match with a 2-2 draw and Gordon Smith missing a late sitter for Brighton. United however routed the Seagulls 4-0 in the replay, winning only their second trophy in fifteen years. Involved in both matches for United was an unfamiliar name to most people under the age of forty – that of Alan Davies, who stepped in for the injured Steve Coppell and set up two of United's goals in the replay. After this Cup Final victory, Davies drifted away from the top level of the game and sadly took his own life in 1992 when his wife was expecting their second child (coincidentally, Davies was reported to have been trained in his youth by convicted paedophile Barry Bennell as was Gary Speed who also took his own life twenty eight years later, although it must be strongly pointed out that Bennell’s link with either suicide has never been confirmed).

United finally won a league fixture at Highbury the following September in a 2-3 defeat for Arsenal with Tony Woodcock and Brian Talbot on the scoresheet for Arsenal and Kevin Moran, Frank Stapleton and Bryan Robson scoring for United. In 1984/85, by February an early Arsenal title challenge had faded out completely and a Norman Whiteside goal gave United full points again with a 0-1 defeat for Arsenal, which as pointed out by Brian Moore just prior to kick off, was witnessed by the King of Tonga. Later that season, Man Utd reprised their role as scouse treble busters from eight years prior, with a Norman Whiteside goal securing a 1-0 win after extra time, this time over League Champions and European Cup Winners Cup holders Everton. The main albatross around the neck of Ron Atkinson’s side however would be the League Championship, which by this point had nearly been twenty years since their last title.

The TV black out which occurred during the first half of the 1985/86 had encompassed an incredible eleven straight victories for Man Utd, most of which had been uncaptured by the cameras. One of which was however caught for foreign broadcast - their 1-2 defeat of Arsenal at Highbury in late August with goals from Mark Hughes and Paul McGrath for Man Utd and a late penalty conversion for Ian Allison for Arsenal making amends for Charlie Nicholas’s earlier penalty miss. Man Utd's title challenge however fell apart in the second half of the season with the reds slumping to fourth position, their title hopes ended with a 1-2 home defeat to Chelsea in early April.

The poor form for Ron Atkinson's side continued into the new season, with explosive striker Mark Hughes transferring to Barcelona and replaced by the underwhelming Terry Gibson and Peter Davenport. For the opening game of the 1986/87 season, Man Utd visited Highbury for first game of the George Graham era for Arsenal. At the start of the game there had been a minute’s silence for former FIFA President and Arsenal life President from 1980 onwards, Sir Stanley Rous, which had been ruined by the travelling Man Utd fans. Arsenal however secured their first home victory over United for three years with a 1-0 win from a late Charlie Nicholas goal. By early November, United’s poor form continued with them languishing at the foot of the table with just two wins from fourteen games, which led to the sack for Ron Atkinson with Aberdeen and Scotland’s 1986 World Cup caretaker manager Alex Ferguson taking over at Old Trafford, his first game was a 0-2 defeat to the Robert Maxwell funded Oxford United.

Fergie’s first signing for United would be poaching veteran right back Viv Anderson from Arsenal. Ferguson’s visit to Highbury came in late January 1988, with a 1-2 defeat for the Gunners with Niall Quinn scoring for Arsenal and Brian McClair and Gordon Strachan netting for United. Arsenal however would get their revenge a month later in the FA Cup, taking the lead through an Alan Smith header and going two up from a Mike Duxbury own goal, United however would pull one back from a Brian McClair strike. Michael Thomas would blow a chance to put the tie beyond doubt, losing his footing while through on goal and moments later conceding a last minute penalty for a tackle on Norman Whiteside. Brian McClair however blew his chance by blasting the penalty way above the North Bank stand, ensuring a 2-1 victory for the Gunners. Moments after McClair’s penalty miss, Nigel Winterburn would jibe at McClair and arguably lay the foundations for further flashpoints whenever the two sides met in future fixtures.

Before the end of that calendar year Arsenal would score two further victories against Man Utd, a 2-1 win at Villa Park in the Mercantile Credit Centenary Trophy Final with goals from Paul Davis and Michael Thomas, as well as another 2-1 victory at Highbury a week before Christmas with goals from Michael Thomas and Paul Merson, with Mark Hughes scoring for United on his return from a failed spell in the Camp Nou. Another Arsenal victory would be forthcoming twelve months later with a 1-0 win secured from a goal from Perry Groves. For Arsenal, this would be a period of two title wins in three years. For United however, the holy grail of a first title win since the swinging sixties fell even further away after finishing in the bottom half of the table for three seasons out of four.

Anyone born in the last twenty five years who looks back on the first four years of Ferguson’s tenure may wonder whether stories of a ‘Fergie Out’ campaign may have been prone to exaggeration. I can tell them first hand that it carried all the vitriol of the Wenger out brigade minus any remotely sizeable ‘Fergie Knows Best’ contingent. It was in fact a minor miracle that Fergie managed to limp into the 1990s without the Old Trafford axe falling on him. In this 2006 post-match interview, Fergie here is quick to cut through the ahistorical Sky Sports hyperbole to abruptly remind reporter Geoff Shreeves just how bad things were at the turn of the 1990s. Fergie came south of the border with the kudos of disrupting a thirty three year Auld Firm duopoly on the Scottish title, which quickly re-established itself on his exit in 1986, however as Charlie Nicholas would testify on the pitch there was still a huge difference between football north and south of the border even in the 1980s.

This Third Round tie with Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest at the City Ground is generally considered to be the match which saved Fergie’s job in January 1990, with Mark Robins popping up to score the only goal in a 1-0 win for United. Man Utd won the FA Cup in 1990, however confirmation of the re-birth of Manchester United as a trophy winning machine arguably came at Highbury at the end of that calendar year with an astonishing 2-6 defeat for an Arsenal side that were up to that point unbeaten in all competitions, with nineteen year old Lee Sharpe bagging a hat-trick. That heavy defeat was one of just three that year for an Arsenal side which won the title by seven clear points, despite having two deducted for a brawl at Old Trafford in October. The title was sealed on Mayday bank holiday that year, with Arsenal defeating Man Utd 3-1, with a hat-trick from Alan Smith. That month however, Man Utd would secure the first English victory in Europe since the lifting of the post-Heysel ban, beating Barcelona 2-1 with two goals from Barca reject Mark Hughes.

Man Utd’s last visit to Highbury in the Pre-Premiership era came in February 1992, ending in a 1-1 draw with David Rocastle’s last ever goal for Arsenal cancelling out an earlier strike by Brian McClair. The first Premiership fixture between the two sides at Highbury in late November 1992 came at an era defining moment for Man Utd as twenty four hours prior Fergie had poached Eric Cantona away from Leeds. Cantona however would be ineligible for the fixture and have to wait to make his Man Utd debut. The Red Devils were laying as low as eighth in the Premiership at the time of Cantona’s signing, but would go on to inflict a 0-1 defeat on Arsenal with a goal from Mark Hughes.

By the time of Man Utd’s next visit to Highbury eighteen months later, the Reds had ended their twenty seven year title drought and were heading for the double, however their title run-in slightly derailed by failing to win four out of five Premiership games after a 2-2 draw between the two sides, with Lee Sharpe stiking twice for United, whereas Arsenal’s strikes would come from an own goal from Gary Pallister and an equaliser from Paul Merson. Eric Cantona would also receive his second red card within a week, resulting in a five match ban for the controversial Frenchman. The final fixture between the two sides during the George Graham era at the end of November 1994 however, would end 0-0. The only home fixture against Man Utd during the Bruce Rioch in November 1995 era would be 1-0 win for the Gunners, with Dennis Bergkamp pouncing on a Dennis Irwin mistake.

The first fixture between the two sides at Highbury during the Arsene Wenger era came in February 1997. Andy Cole returned to haunt his old club with an opening goal, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer adding a second, with Dennis Bergkamp pulling one back for the Gunners, ending in a 1-2 defeat for Arsenal. The game however would be marred by an ongoing altercation between Ian Wright and Peter Schmeichel. Nine months on, Arsenal would enact revenge at Highbury with a 3-2 victory, with goals from Nicolas Anelka and Patrick Vieira giving Arsenal a two goal lead. Two strikes for Tottenham old-boy Teddy Sherringham before half time equalled the score, before former Manchester United youth product David Platt gave Arsenal victory in a season which ended in the double for Arsenal and North London’s finest becoming the main threat to Manchester United’s Premiership dominance.

In 1998/99 Arsenal enjoyed two 3-0 victories over Man Utd within five weeks. In the Charity Shield, goals for Marc Overmars, Christopher Wreh and Nicolas Anelka gave Arsenal victory. At Highbury in the League, goals for Tony Adams, Nicolas Anelka and a debut goal for Freddie Ljungberg gave Arsenal all three points. United however would finish the season with the treble and memorable victory over Arsenal in the last minute of the last ever Semi Final replay at Villa Park. The following August the sides would meet again in the 1999 Charity Shield, with a 2-1 victory for Arsenal with goals from Kanu and Ray Parlour. Three weeks later however, Manchester United would inflict a 1-2 defeat on Arsenal, with Freddie Ljungberg scoring for the Arsenal and two for Roy Keane to give United full points.

In October 2000, Arsenal would secure a 1-0 victory from a classic Thierry Henry strike. Anyone born this side of the millennium might find Thierry’s goal celebration as bemusing as a world where mobile phones aren’t the norm. Basically kids, it’s based on this Budweiser commercial, which captured the public’s imagination for a few weeks in October 2000 just prior to the dawn of the George W. Bush era in America, with this hilarious follow up eight years later with the election of Barack Obama. After three title wins in a row for Man Utd, in 2001/02 change came in the Premiership with Arsenal stealing the Premiership crown back from Old Trafford. Firstly, two second string sides would battle out a League Cup tie on Guy Fawkes Night with Arsenal inflicting their biggest win on Manchester United for thirty one years. Sylvan Wiltord bagged a first half hat-trick, as well as a second half Kanu penalty, as Arsenal won 4-0.

Twenty days later, in the Premiership Manchester United took a first half lead at Highbury with a goal from Paul Scholes. In the second half however a Freddie Ljungberg equaliser, followed by Thierry Henry pouncing on two Fabian Barthez errors gave Arsenal a 3-1 victory. The next meeting at Highbury was seventeen months later in the 2002/03 title run-in, with Ruud Van Nistlerooy giving United the lead after twenty three minutes. Two strikes for Thierry Henry gave Arsenal a 2-1 lead, with the second one looking very much offside. Within a minute of Thierry’s second however, Ryan Giggs equalised for United making the final score 2-2. The game would turn however on an eighty third minute sending off for Sol Campbell, which the linesman (@19.19) would literally described to referee Mark Halsey as a deliberate elbow in the face.

The title went to Old Trafford that year, however Arsenal would retain the FA Cup, meaning that the two sides would again meet in the 2003 FA Community Shield at the Millennium Stadium, with United triumphing on penalties after the game finished 1-1 in normal time. An Arsenal defeat during this period however would turn out to be a collector’s item, though Manchester United would avoid defeat to Arsenal in 2003/04. At Highbury in Late March, after Arsenal would take the lead with a blistering Thierry Henry strike, United would pull level with a Louis Saha equaliser with the match finishing in a 1-1 draw. Six days later, Man Utd ensured that Arsenal would not be emulating their treble of five years earlier with a Paul Scholes goal ensuring a 0-1 defeat for the Arsenal. Arsenal however would defeat United 3-1 in the 2004 Community Shield, with goals from Gilberto Silva, Jose Antonio Reyes and an own goal from Mikel Silvestre.


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  1. mbg

    Oct 04, 2015, 15:50 #76994

    Cornish, Ouch,

  2. RedPig

    Oct 04, 2015, 13:08 #76987

    Robert - fantastic stuff as always mate. I really love your pieces on here. Especially enjoyed the first part of this because some of it were things I didnt know and there were links to goals I had never seen before. That George Best goal at the North Bank end was fantastic and I am amazed that its the first time I have seen it as it was on film. Your articles show what great days the past were for football. But as talented a writer as you are Robert, I wonder if even you could write something as absorbing and interesting if you are writing in 30 years time about what we witness in the game today.

  3. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 03, 2015, 16:06 #76949

    Badarse. I think you’ve let yourself down again, and once more you’ve shown your true colours. You ignore Ron’s ‘Baddie lad's all right really’ and pick up on the ‘hammering’ comment. This of course is part of your problem. You can’t stand the thought of him beating you. For you to then suggest that somebody is vainglorious, is total hypocrisy. I suggest that you do what you’re always telling everybody else to do and reread some of your posts to see if they contain any ‘sly digs’ at anybody e.g. ‘the likeable jj’ 81353. I presume you consider that to be ‘acerbic wit’. I repeat what Ron posted about Wenger: “I think underneath the facade lies a quite spiteful, manipulative 'i want my own way' type of person, who doesnt take long to drop into his sulk default position. Hes a very bright man of that there's no doubt. Life has taught me that such intelligence is often accompanied by some quite distasteful character traits in people”. If you can’t see that that is what YOU are like then it’s because ‘the failure of recognition lies rather in the degeneracy of the faculty of seeing than in the misrepresentation of the vision to be seen’. Finally your ‘I don’t take hammerings buddy, but am happy to give them when deserved’ is more goonercolesyboy/Ronnie Pickering or Pete than your supposed ‘balanced mind’.

  4. jjetplane

    Oct 03, 2015, 11:13 #76937

    Oh us kids from the wild side! Never had a football ruck in my life but knew most of them that did. Think it has something to do about being a born and bred fan as opposed to a BR tourist holding his dad's hand. My old man who was a tunnel miner was strictly Gaelic footer and silly nags just like our Westie .... Anyway - this thing with Sponsors asking big sports people to vacate their space so that 'business' may be resumed may not stop with Blatter. Nearer to home Puma (and whoever) must be thinking that bloke what can't field a tiddly little press meet is hardly gonna get the shirts shifted in Polynesia .....

  5. Westlower

    Oct 03, 2015, 9:05 #76926

    @Mark, The angry looking tough youths outside of Highbury was probably JJ and his mates, doing what they did best - disrupt & agitate! They were the 'geezers' of their generation.

  6. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 03, 2015, 8:44 #76925

    Badarse - tbh I actually think standards have improved. One way of looking at this is society in general. During the 70's I went from nappies to older childhood. Looking back without nostalgia it was Brutish. I remember being driven past NF rallies, general out breaks of thuggery outside Highbury and lots of angry looking tough youths. Some of our politicians of that time may also been involved in horrible activities and at least two were writing support letters in publications that have rightly been banned. The IRA gave no warning bombs and caused considerable pain to Irish communities living in the UK. Set upon in pubs etc. Strikes were thuggish and Jack Jones was actually a traitor as a KGB mole. Then we have the delights of the 80's probably worse and with a whole series of disasters if we think back, tube, ferry, football stadia. All lax standards. Obviously we could point to extentialist issues such as ISIL, gentrification and cereal cafe's. My god I've even grown a beard. However my general view is that standards have increased.

  7. Badarse

    Oct 03, 2015, 8:24 #76924

    Firstly Mark I was referring to posters on here not journos, so whilst going along with your general approach I don't go all the way. You are a younger version fan-compared to me-and therefore you accept the reality of circumstances that you exist in, I compare what once was, (this is a common claim of those who want change in our club, so on that level they claim a form of recognition of the past and it's standards, perhaps it is only recognised if it is as simplistic as a football club and then only lived through, and recent past), however I see standards dropping all around me, it is a downward spiral friend, I assure you. I want dignity, but it is noticeably absent, (view my recent exchanges. Ron and I having a reasonable and considered exchange, from nowhere the little boy in the playground runs in and whispers in the ear of one that the other has said or done something bad, the other now has a flea in his ear-a poisoned one. He says 'I know I hammer him sometimes'. Quite a bold statement. I contest because I do the hammering, albeit in my mind. When challenged he sidesteps and tries to change the format. He is too easily led by the concept of fame and glory, too vainglorious? The other never offers anything except a sly dig. You work out why I sometimes walk away in anger. It's my safety valve. I will chat all day with a balanced mind regarding any issue, but find it difficult to comply with inanities. Am now going to calm down, ha ha.

  8. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 03, 2015, 8:10 #76923

    Jamerson - so what is real and what is delusion? Here is my take. Pete- fictitious Ashcroft - who? Blinking Lord Ashcroft. Oink oink. Where you live - probably fictional Southwold - I think Clacton Your slaves - more a reflection of your deep rooted insecurity and maybe sexual gratification Arsenal - probably Southampton and Chelsea in reality Wenger - your fixation Your meds - keep taking them please

  9. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 23:58 #76922

    Jamerson needs to lie down - on The Couch ..... Arsene is probably in the waiting room too. Now when did the delusions begin? ....

  10. Jamerson

    Oct 02, 2015, 23:42 #76921

    I was referring to Ashcroft and The Reverend Alfonso not my real brother Pete.

  11. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 02, 2015, 21:55 #76920

    Apologies Ron. When I said Baddie critique mode what I meant was critique OF Baddie not critique LIKE Baddie. As in 'I think underneath the facade lies a quite spiteful, manipulative 'i want my own way' type of person, who doesnt take long to drop into his sulk default position. Hes a very bright man of that there's no doubt. Life has taught me that such intelligence is often accompanied by some quite distasteful character traits in people...' I think his response has confirmed that.

  12. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 21:46 #76919

    The AKB's wengerites if truth be known their as pissed off with their messiah as the rest of us, they have to be, imagine supporting, loving, sticking up for, defending, showing such devotion to, worshiping someone as if he was your, brother, son, father, for all these years only to be let down time and time and time again over the years and treated with contempt time and time again, how can anyone put up and be happy with someone like that God only knows.

  13. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 21:36 #76918

    You do take hammerings Baddie, same as all of us at times. Now then, we d best not run a poll on whos mealy mouthed on here had we ?. Climb down off it and dont be so precious. Its Friday and its a footie Board.For the record and if it helps, my usage of the word 'hammering'back there was intended to mean 'get on to'.Nothing more. Think before you steam in. Its where you go wrong and why others give you grief.

  14. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 20:55 #76917

    jj, yes TOF was caught out of his comfort zone and the arrogance he showed showed no bounds, questions the fans wanted and wanted the answers to, well done that journo, i can see a petition coming. Brady Wondering where the next Wilshire is coming from mate, i'd say he's also wondering where this one went, but like us all knows where and why.

  15. Cyril

    Oct 02, 2015, 20:31 #76916

    The goonerman comment earlier is comedy gold. It's a real General Zod moment. "Ron, who is this man you speak of, you mean the son of Jor- El On this planet?". [lax luther]"Yes, better known as his nom de voyage, er Ron. Ah but 'Zod off', he is one, while you are 3 [non groans], well 4 If you count him twice!" ..

  16. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 20:31 #76915

    Ah yes - the Hammers. Now there's a club who won't be making the same mistakes as Arsenal ...

  17. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 02, 2015, 20:27 #76914

    Badarse- come on now which journo is giving him cowardly digs and on his renumeration! If I was a Hollywood actor unlikely I know. I might get 7m for a film. It is not unheard of for them to be panned. Is the critic a coward or doing his job? Where I work the times are a changing. Started off with all the area managers being dragged into a room and drilled. The guy I know who quite frankly is not on too much more than me to bear all this said some of his colleagues looked like they wanted to throw themselves of the nearest bridge. These people have to take it, get hammered and only a few might be in a position to pack it all in. Were their management giving them cowardly digs? Then you get Wenger. I mean 8m a year and he can't even brush off some journos. I bet he even gets his very expensive IWC watches for free( he attends their brand events) You could do his job, do it crap get sacked after 1 year and buy yourself s nice 2m house, buy 10 buy to let's at 200k a pop and get 10k per month. You'd never have to do anything again. So quite frankly Wenger being giving a hell of a grilling is very different from hammering the average Joe!

  18. jeff wright

    Oct 02, 2015, 20:27 #76913

    In my view Mourinho is another who has lost the plot his manic screaming at the medics who were doing their job by going on field to treat Hazard, who went down as though he were in excruciating pain and in need of resuscitation, was obnoxious behaviour of the worst kind. Also slagging off some of his own players in public is not very bright either He was right about Wenger though being a protected species, he is not now though because the media have finally sussed the old fraud out . Cest la vie !

  19. Badarse

    Oct 02, 2015, 20:10 #76912

    Excuse me Ron but when did you ever hammer me? I don't take hammerings buddy, but am happy to give them when deserved. You fall for the mealy mouthed ones a little too easily methinks. Oh to see some face to face, eh? How odd. If taught as children not to say or do to another that which you wouldn't like done to yourself it is the clearest and simplest guide to living a fair and reasonable existence. I posed a question or observation quite a while ago that it is easy to consider anyone, in this case Wenger, under the cosh and imagine if he was your father/brother/son/friend. To character assassinate an individual says most about the perpetrator rather than the victim. Some criticise with dignity, and without cowardly little digs. Just thought I'd put that out there.

  20. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:50 #76911

    General consensus has Mourinho fielding the questions better when he was also asked critically about his team selections et al. he is obviously crafty enough to know Wenger would get all pathological smugged out and so took friendly uncle mode using humility card for effect. Result is that poor old Arsene is now toxic but open prey for lively journalists. Interesting too that both Amy L and J C himself are are distancing themselves from what can now be called Arsegate .... After the way Henry dealt with Mr Neville it would be cruel fun to see him shooed in for . half a dozen games maybe? ..... Per has made the rallying call probably in smiley text formats for the lads to have a laugh. Liam Brady is also wondering where the next Jack Wilshere will come from. Suggest they wander down to some of the bars on Upper St and look for diminutive drinkers wearing bad hats .... In Cold Blood, The Great Shark Hunt - I love new jounalism ....

  21. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:43 #76910

    Cornish - ive morphed into Baddie have i ? Oh dear mate. Im done for! Im going to lie down with a glass of water before i go out. Ive come over all 'heady'!! ha. PS Baddie lad's all right really. I know i hammer him some times but hes only got his daft ways like the rest of us. COYG - surprise us!!

  22. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:42 #76909

    Stan, good spot, Cornish, good spot also but I doubt very much Ron would resort to talking and typing gobbledegook.

  23. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:40 #76908

    Jamerson - I don't think it is necessarily just a WOB thing, I don't think many people get you. As you are now finally admitting Pete is fictitious and sorry mate we did know this. You did of course insist he was real. Which therefore makes you a fantasist or just a plain liar but anyway let's not worry too much about that. It must worry you coz it seems your beloved Wenger is getting it from all ends upwards. Even Patrick (smug) Barclay was giving some and he loved him more than you do. James Olley Standard is having right digs as well. It gets interesting now as he is in the same boat as any other manager. As Ron said the honeymoon is over. We play crap he kops it in spades. That feels fair to me

  24. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:32 #76907

    Mark, good shout, i've said it myself on more than one occasion and cant wait to get saying it for real, that the new man will get the length of his contract three, four years, unless he's a complete incompetent (one is/was bad enough) as we all know and has already been said it's going to take that at least, and maybe even longer to clean up and put things right and get wengers grubby finger prints off everything.

  25. Jamerson

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:20 #76906

    Not me I'm afraid as admin will confirm I only post under Jamerson these days and the other names I used were just comedy characters which the Akbs understood yet went above the WOBs heads.I saw the interview that Badarse was talking about and it's the usual journalist dung about making issues about things that don't exist.Wenger was right when he says the media are all boring for all jumping on the same story about Ospina,he was also correct in pointing out how dull the WOB's are for falling for all this brainwashing,which I believe came from one comment from Ian Wright.These Wenger bashes need to take a good hard look at themselves as everyone of them I bump into seems to parrot the same tripe as each other. Mourinho is also trying to deflect his own shortcomings by complaining to the hacks that Wenger gets an easy ride thus deflecting the blame from himself and onto Wenger,the gullible journo's and WOBs are again falling for his bait..

  26. Its up for grabs now

    Oct 02, 2015, 19:09 #76905

    Just viewed that car crash of an interview with Wenger, where for once a journalist actually asked some pertinent questions. Wenger is clearly not at all familiar with the concept of being challenged on his decisions, with his utter contempt and arrogance shining through loud and clear with his answers. The bottom line was if you ask questions I don’t like, I won’t answer them, remember I am Wenger and this is my club and I am answerable to no one but myself!

  27. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 02, 2015, 18:59 #76904

    Frantic activity at AKB HQ earlier today. POETS day cancelled. All ‘spin trained’ staff please return to base. Somebody has had the temerity to ask Arsene a difficult question. Not once, not twice but three times. From our own ‘paragon of virtue and understanding’ Badarse (The Specialist in 'fey allure'): it’s on Sky News so it must be twaddle. The ‘punk reporter’ is a ‘dummy’ and a ‘chump’. From the likeable Westlower it’s all down to ex-Arsenal quisling toerags. Now it seems we’re back to the old AKB response ‘What may happen next doomsday scenarios’ from Westie. RON in your post 81357 it’s almost as if you have subconsciously lapsed into Baddie critique mode in your last few sentences. I’m probably completely wrong though.

  28. Stan

    Oct 02, 2015, 18:44 #76903

    Goonerman is clearly someone else judging by the fact Admin have removed his posts. Smart money would be on Jameston as he has form for this type of thing. Am sure Westlower can give us the odds.

  29. jeff wright

    Oct 02, 2015, 18:41 #76902

    This my fav recent Wengeresguespeak comment: “Anthony Martial was not sellable. He was not on the list. He was one of the players Monaco didn’t want to sell," Wenger said. “So we never made any approach for him.".......... A bit odd this seeing as Martial he was sold to United by Monaco .Then again United made an offer that Monaco couldn't refuse rather than one that caused the Monaco board to roll around laughing with mirth and asking what the **** are they smoking at Arsenal!

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 02, 2015, 18:41 #76901

    West lower - this a bit of a rehash from a previous post but thought I'd say the following. This also isn't meant directly at you but more about the two sides of the coin and directed at all of us. Basically a guy was doing a lets all laugh at you pathetic moaner routines. So I said the following. The issue is that you laugh at us and we in turn laugh at you. The tradgedy is that all the other supporters are laughing at all of us, by us I mean the most fractured fanbase in the uk. If things were really going well, why was Wenger harangued after the Stoke game. Other managers have had bad results in the past my beloved GG had a few but I bet know one wanted to scream abuse at him. Why did these supporters do it, is it because we are told you can't change anything, he is staying whether you like it or not. Board members calling people stupid, less than 5 minutes on football. The truth is a fair percentage of the fanbase has been effectively disenfranchised. In any situation this becomes dangerous and people resort to extremes. My feeling is the Kronke, Gazidis , Wenger trinity needs breaking up. If a new guy takes over give him 3 years unless a complete disaster. Be like other football clubs, being different isn't working, breathless statements prior to the start of the season from Ivan breed complacency. Change is needed in a level tempered way. I truly hope AW at least contemplates leaving

  31. John F

    Oct 02, 2015, 18:32 #76900

    Hi Mbg it depends really if he who ever it is maintains the status quo and keeps Stan in his 3million pound per year wigs then he will have the job for life too.Poor Jonkers I wonder if he knows he has been elevated to manager candidate yet.

  32. jeff wright

    Oct 02, 2015, 18:23 #76899

    I don't know who Ron is Goonerman. Who are you anyway in your day job apart from being a costumed super-hero ? Look up there !! is it a bird ... is it a plane ... no its whoosh ! ... GoonermaN *! Anyway Goonerman ( original name that) work is work so why should it have to be HARD work is the question >?

  33. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:54 #76898

    So WEStIE has finally given up on Wenger. Some faith that for a fan AWOL for a decade. Mind you - you have to wonder where Wenger has been the last decade? My pram is empty were his last words as Bouldie his reluctant life coach led him away ..... For Lee Sharpe see Martial .......

  34. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:54 #76897

    John F, you can just imagine the headlines alright especially if he's as bad as the one we have (and that will take some doing)and he'll certainly not get as easy ride as this old fraud has done (thankfully changing)but ones things for sure he'll be given proper time and a fair shout to get and put it right (whatever some may suggest and think)and that's certainly not going to be an easy job thanks to wenger, but ones things for damm sure he'll not be allowed get or be given eleven years of failure from anyone, and i'd say the ones shouting the loudest will be the ones now happy with mediocrity.

  35. jeff wright

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:36 #76896

    'Working Hard' Ron sounds like an advertising slogan for Viagra ! Arsene should try giving our defenders some to stiffen them up.

  36. Westlower

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:27 #76895

    What may happen next? One possibility is that Jonkers will become the new coach with TH his assistant, AW becomes Director of Football. How much money would Jonkers be allowed to spend? Would AW sanction all transfer dealings? Stan/Ivan remain in charge. In this scenario are we better or worse off or is the status quo maintained? At least the knockers would have a new catchphrase "Jonkers is Bonkers."

  37. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:18 #76894

    Woof Woof Woof, grrrrr! Have a great week end lads. 1 - 1 on Sunday but the hell with that, its my last cricket match of the yr. Aiming to hit double figures this week end for the 2nd time! PS What does 'working hard' mean?

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:12 #76893

    I think at this stage you just have to laugh at it all. AW - a man destined to endlessly repeat the same mistakes as his 'philosophy' will not allow him to do otherwise. Then when criticised for those mistakes, getting belligerent "Stop asking me that... You don't know anything... I'm going to leave if you keep asking me that" And then the AKBs, who still think he comes out of it well. Football is supposed to be entertaining, but maybe not like this.

  39. Westlower

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:12 #76892

    @Goonerman, Our beloved Ron is best known as 'Old Shep' by his many followers. 'Old Shep' was the first song performed in public by the then 10 year old Elvis Presley. Get that guitar out Ron and shake, rattle & roll them creaking hips.

  40. Bard

    Oct 02, 2015, 17:09 #76891

    Much as I want Wenger to go I dont see it happening. He gets paid £8m a year. He doesnt have another life so we are led to believe and he loves Arsenal. I just dont see him chucking it in. I think he is deluded enough to think we are on the right track and will succeed in the long run. These sorts of dictatorships never end well. It would be a tragedy if he was forced out given his service. someone on high needs to have a word with him.

  41. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 16:52 #76890

    Westie - ok. Truth is that if he cant cope with what he gets, which is what all other coaches get every day with multiples added, he should go. It just bears out hes as clueless and gutless as his teams have been for years which many of us have accepted as a given a long time since. I hope you win yr bet mate, but mainly i hope for AFC that you're right. If it happens tomorrow, it wont be too soon for me. For 'sniping' substitute 'hard truths' though.

  42. Stan

    Oct 02, 2015, 16:49 #76889

    By “continuous sniping” do you actually mean valid criticism? Sounds like one person in the press corp may have pushed too much this morning, but don’t tar everyone with the same brush even though I know that’s what Wenger does after his refusal to do the Q&A sessions with fans anymore after one person described one of his beloved players as a “geriatric”.

  43. Westlower

    Oct 02, 2015, 16:34 #76888

    @John F, Jonkers is 50/1 with Skybet but only 20/1 with Victor Chandler to be next permanent Arsenal manager. You may well be on to something? @Ron, I've backed Wenger to be next manager to leave his post at 80/1 this morning, on the basis that he must have had a gutful of the continuous sniping.

  44. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 16:24 #76887

    Ok John - all noted. You just know we ll be underwhelmed by whoever comes in don't you. Then again, we felt that when the Proff arrived i suppose. Whoever it is, its a damn big job to convert that place to a vibrant football Club again, to reinstate its pride and vigour. I think we ll have a Moyes situ to deal with for sure before things get better there, but for different reasons to what they faced at Utd. This disregards the ownership conundrum still to unravel. Wdt surprise me once Wenger strolls on if SKs interest begins to flounder. The Club needs both out, im sure of that.

  45. T

    Oct 02, 2015, 16:22 #76886

    Great article as always Robert, the Ramsey curse segment was surreal!! Yes our manager does not like the implied criticism, as I doubt he gets much of it from the spineless board or indeed anyone else at the club. Think we will beat Utd on Sunday and he can put on his friendly smug persona for the next interview.

  46. John F

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:59 #76885

    Ron Jonkers was ass coach at wolfsburg,managed Willem,assistant coach at Barca then assistant to Van Gaal at Bayern then was Bayern interim manager.Nothing spectacular thats why he fits the profile and would be cheap.If by some rare chance I am right I would like to post this headline first "its Jonkers and its Bonkers and claim copyright on all future headlines.

  47. Cyril

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:42 #76884

    Jamie: you are right, I think we were singing or making reference to his time at Spurs. All I remember was he got some stick. Ron, I do remember his little cameo as he scored in front of us in the North Bank. Those games were so dramatic at Highbury with those k o times in the dead of autumn as it becomes a night game towards the end. The Emirates just doesn't have that appeal, does it..

  48. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:32 #76883

    Robert - Nice one. Happy memories of being on a packed north bank for the 1-0. Opening game of the season but I don't recall the weather being too clever. Great goal by King Charlie the second.

  49. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:26 #76882

    John - ill be guided by you there mate. Ive not heard of that guy.It sounds cosy enough though that does. Cosiness rules at AFC as we know. 1996 Deja vu then - Andries who?

  50. Nick T

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:19 #76881

    Given his knack of springing a result just when he needs to Sundays a home banker isnt it? Odds against in places, Utd are still sh*te fill yer boots!!

  51. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:15 #76880

    Theyre only 'toerags' because youre frightened of their questions and effect though Westie arent they. I suppose the press who have JM 'sussed' aren't toerags in yr book then? They're well informed and competent im guessing! Nothing like rolling out yr well worn Chelsea hatred to fend off/disguise an uncomfortable situ for yr prophet and guru when hes wriggling like a maggot on a size 9 eh mate so to make you feel warmer in yr bed at night?

  52. John F

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:13 #76879

    Hi Ron I am not so sure about Henry being in the frame as I have a suspicion that it is Andries Jonkers that is being lined up with Henry his assistant.It seems odd to me that a man with his CV is just doing the academy managers job.He fits the Arsenal boards profile and even slightly resembles a younger Wenger.

  53. Tony Evans

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:04 #76878

    Great to see the old fraud being given an uncomfortable time by the press, and about time too. He doesn't like it does he but damn well deserves it, and more.

  54. Westlower

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:01 #76877

    The ex-Arsenal quislings are getting over excited because the media toerags tried to give AW a hard time at his pre-match conference. Maureen must be thankful the spotlight has moved off his own continual classless behaviour, although the Spanish have him sussed.

  55. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 15:00 #76876

    jw, if we are stuffed (and it'll be no surprise)and he does have the balls to come out and face the media i'd imagine his first words will be, I should have emailed Maguiresbridge and Jeff Wright.

  56. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:54 #76875

    John F - they would never cope with a hard nosed coach like them there, esp if Wengers going to hang around trying to emulate Fergie. The whole thing stinks to high heaven of being manipulated by the Board and Wenger to enable them to shoe horn the sulkers apprentice in, Mr Henry, a sulker himself in AWs own image (assuming Wenger holds it together long enough). If this happens, you ll see leathery smug grinds like you've never seen before as they dress it up as the fans hero re entering the fray. The tourists there will lap it up. This is only my impression of it and i dont think Henry will last 5 mins as a coach. Dont think that just because Wenger will jettison his toys at some stage and walk, that he wont carry on holding the Club to ransom. He ll deposit the irritating Henry on us, if its the last thing he does. The fans arent going to see a real Mc Coy respected coach there and under Kreonke and AW hovering with intent, why would such people want to be there?

  57. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:48 #76874

    Ron - the fella who was behind the Oz magazine and went on to make millions in the media. Basically said to be rich you basically had to be a bastard. Most are a bit odd I find anyway. Steve Jobbs comes to mind, the darling of the techno savvy but having to put suicide nets in place at their Chinese manufacturers . Literary he worked them to death. Didn't give a penny to charity either. What a piece of work eh! Then we've got Branson who I suspect is a right one. Anyway don't know what this makes Jamerson as apparently he is s billionaire!

  58. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:41 #76873

    Mark, more often than not the old has been has been given a get out of jail card, how many times have we seen it over the years, even not so long ago against the chavs where the ref gave him one, I would expect nothing different this Sunday, will it be the ref? the lino? who knows but what ever it is him and his disciples will grasp it with open arms and cling to it for dear life, and as always when he's in the shyte he'll come up smelling of roses, but whatever his end is still nigh.

  59. John F

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:36 #76872

    I remember the 1983 League cup semi for the long queues and crush outside the north bank i eventually got in just before half time only to be informed that we were 4-0 down.As for Wenger you would like to think that at his time of life and if he truely loved Arsenal he would look around on what managers were available and offer to step aside so we could recruit one.With Klopp and Ancelotti available and its rumoured Pep wants to come to the prem I hope good sense prevails next summer if not we could miss out and end up with ian Dowie when he eventually retires.

  60. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:26 #76871

    On the ball RON and it looked like a press meeting too far for the limited Arsene. He has been exposed for the football fraud that he is and he digs that grave deeper every time he says 'you know nothing about football and you are all boring, boring, boring ....' What a space waste and very AKB with his spoilt retorts of negligible substance. watching SKY are we now? .... We await Westlower's forum meeting or has he left too? .... Up the real Arsenal!

  61. jeff wright

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:25 #76870

    It's a results game and Sunday's one against the old (seems like another lifetime now) enemy United is no different regarding that fact. It looks like another must win one though for tetchy Arsene - in fact every game is one now due to his own shortcomings. Wenger is obviously not coping well mentally with the criticisms that he is getting in spades from all directions his huge ego is bruised and he doesent have a clue how to deal with this unwanted unpleasantness . What are the odds on Wenger giving the post-match media interviews a swerve if things go pear - shaped for him on Sky Super - Sunday >?

  62. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 14:04 #76869

    Baddie - agree that if that was the question, its a stupid question as you say. Wenger made a rod for his own back yrs ago really. He was very inclusive too them when things were rosy in his garden and always ready to talk fully and openly when many of us fans used to wonder why, when giving them short shrift was clearly the better option some times after a bad defeat.Reality is though that AW has had many years of being 'media untouchable'. Hes had a helluva long honeymoon. Its been taboo to have a go at him in the same way as theyve had a go at many other Coaches to whom its been open house. Wenger holds himself out as supposedly having class and poise. He reaaly should show it now that the media have taken the gloves off rather than being so indignant. Hes paid a fortune to bat away a few pesky press men for heavens sake. Personally ive always thought his supposed class and veneer have always been gossamer thin and in many ways a myth that hes accidentally stumbed on and thus propagated. Hes been surprised by it but thought it best to take advantage of. The media have been beguiled and felt threatened by it as lets be honest, most football people they encounter are pretty dense and easily picked off. I think underneath the facade lies a quite spiteful, manipulative 'i want my own way' type of person, who doesnt take long to drop into his sulk default position. Hes a very bright man of that there's no doubt. Life has taught me that such intelligence is often accompanied by some quite distasteful character traits in people and dare i say it, these traits are often more pronounced when the person is wealthy as well.

  63. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 02, 2015, 13:19 #76868

    I see Del Bosque has dropped Costa over his 'unedifying behaviour' against Gabriel. Good to see the gentleman is setting standards. Also shows up Maureen who has been bizarrely backing him whilst letting rot in the reserves. I wonder if Terry made his Chelsea managership ambitions a little too clear. Perhaps Maureen caught wind of something. On to Wenger who had a very bumpy press interview. Manure is literally huge. Dependent on result will either be a get out of jail, or maybe the point when we say that was the end.

  64. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 13:18 #76867

    jj, Mr arrogances ego is taking a battering at the moment it seems, now many have copped on to him and not before time, a big baby (just like his players)throws the toys out of his pram if he doesn't get his own way, will there be a petition against the big bad media now I wonder? the end is nigh? lets hope your right

  65. Badarse

    Oct 02, 2015, 13:14 #76866

    Wow! Just seen a bit on Sky news, my grandson switched it on-Baker Day. He left the room then AW came on. The link man was trying to make capital out of an interview so knew it would be twaddle-came on here and see jj is trying to make capital out of the interview, which confirmed it was twaddle. Punk reporter asked if AW should be responsible to the fans for his team selection!!! Despite being slapped down the dummy insisted on asking again, then rehashed the question once more, now if anyone needed their legs slapping...What really surprised me was AW not concurring with the chump. At any moment I expected him to say, 'Yes, I am taking your advice and sending an email to maguiresbridge and jeff wright, asking them to select the side for the MU game.' As people may have deduced over the years I never watch Sky news, listen to GaGa talk radio, or read rags. After this event I am amazed that something in the gutter has managed to fall even further. Of course not far enough for that paragon of virtue and understanding-the likeable jj.

  66. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 13:06 #76865

    Cyril, Ron, agree on Teddy good bloke I met him in club level about five years ago or so he was wandering about, don't remember the date but it was an Arsenal Man yoo game and he was chatting away and joking with other Arsenal fans as they were taking the mick, I got him to sign my programme and he joked I better not sign on the man yoo players photo on the cover so he signed on the Arsenal player.

  67. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 13:03 #76864

    Yes, lose badly on the week end and i reckon the ends pretty close too. Its a shame. It shouldn't ever have been this way. Cant help thinking its best for him though. His body language has been awful though for 2 years now. Can look some times now at Boulds face when things are going wrong and its says a million words. Im sure that discussions between them have occurred before now.

  68. Tony Evans

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:58 #76863

    Remember well McClair's penalty miss and going absolutely nuts in the North Bank. Happy days.

  69. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:46 #76862

    Again with that Anelka goal who had a uniquely clean strike technique. Platty was a hero and Lauren had that type of attitude too. Where are these players now and Wenger is all over the media today threatening to walk out of a press meeting because everyone is finally onto him. If we get caned on Sunday then he will walk Monday. Quite simple really. Alex bleedin' Stepney - remember that goal! RON the Giggs goal is my worst memory and somehow a metaphor for the Wenger way. Why tackle Per when you can go forward .... Sobering thought that Arsene has been involved in 177 CL games and nothing to show for it. The end is nigh.

  70. Jamie

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:45 #76861

    Cyril, the "Teddy, Teddy " chant didn't begin in that 1997 game. It began not long after we were crowned Champions in May '98, which confirmed that he had indeed won "Eff all"!

  71. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:31 #76860

    Hi Cyril. Thats it mate! The place went mental didnt it when Plattys header hit the net. That song converted to 'hey Teddy Teddy you went to Man Utd and youre still a c--t' after the CL 99! Teddy used to lap it up didnt he. Good bloke. Do you recall his run in front of fans after he scored, tapping his Utd crest?

  72. Charlie George Orwell

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:28 #76859

    Top drawer stuff again. I remember Viv Anderson's first return to Highbury in a Man U shirt with me screaming 'Judas!' every time he touched the ball. How embarrasing. Viv, if you're reading - I sincerely apologise and the coffee's are on me (not Starbucks though if you don't mind).

  73. Cyril

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:19 #76858

    Ron I was in the north bank for the 1997 game. I like you was berating teddy with "teddy teddy, he went to Man U and won eff all". He stuffed it down our throats the following year tho, didn't he. I too agree he was a fabulous player, all allegiances aside. I must add, one of the greatest I still have seen to this day was the looping header of David Platt for the winner. I was literally behind it and watched it almost go in the corner post over Schmeichel in slow motion. The whole place went potty as I am sure you can remember!

  74. Badarse

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:14 #76857

    Watched the 2014 Cup Final on Wednesday-fast forward on a few occasions! Timmy was on the panel and grinning despite being sacked by the Sours, (pay off helped perhaps?). Twit Chiles said 'You will be back soon as a manager of a Cup Final team.' Very prophetic as twelve months later he was-but he wasn't smiling.

  75. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 12:08 #76856

    JJ - When ever i see that Giggsy goal it strikes up the low feeling that night. I was half way back up the Holte End that night. Watching it unfold was so weird wasnt it. Im sure we all knew what was coming. Why the f--king hell didnt somebody foul him and rip him up? A red card wouldnt have mattered by then. I still ask it to myself !!Utd were on their knees that night by time they scored that. Its far worse than that awful bloody Owen feeling at the Millenium in 2001 and ive detested him ever since ha ha.

  76. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 11:57 #76855

    SKG - Yes, good to see those crowds isnt it mate. No passion in crowds today. The songs are rubbish, such as they are. All there is today is weak and spiteful half arsed taunts of opponent fans. Two mates are up on Merseyside this week end for their local skirmish. Ive been to one or 2 down the years, but even there the atmosphere isn't near what it was even 7 or 8 years ago.

  77. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2015, 11:54 #76854

    Lovely stuff and reminds me of when I hated Utd on a daily basis but now cannot separate them from the rest of the fodder scattered through the PL. Still smarting from that 2-6 as we stood behing the north bank goal with the mancs filling westlower. The Villa trips also a painful scar and remember Paddy injurying himself after that goal. Days of Anelka and what a season that was.

  78. mbg

    Oct 02, 2015, 11:50 #76853

    Obviously wenger still has the same idea as Matt Busby all those years ago when it comes to transfers (even though he still payed over the odds for duds and in wages) , it's a pity he doesn't/wont/didn't take the same initiative a long time ago especially after humiliations and embarrassments and resign.

  79. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 02, 2015, 11:12 #76851

    Brilliant piece Robert - great resume on Arsenal/Man U clashes over the past 20 odd years. Great footage of Rocky and I love the 2-1 cup win clip with Thomas "charging through the midfield" and completely messing up a one on one. Thankfully a year later at Anfield he kept his nerve and his feet to clip in the famous winner. Doubt we will see anything like the passion in some of those clips this weekend - shame because that is how football should be played, on the edge and straying over it a few times for good measure.

  80. Ron

    Oct 02, 2015, 10:58 #76850

    Good stuff. I enjoyed that 1997 game. Recall Paddys goal well down at the Clock End. It was a dull Sunday afternoon in the November of that yr. Great fun baiting Sherringham on the North Bank! He was a very good player though admittedly.

  81. Jamie

    Oct 02, 2015, 10:47 #76849

    As superbly detailed and factual as ever, Robert. However may I point out a rare, necessary amendment by mentioning United's '99 semi-final victory was not secured in the last minute. The forever-replayed winning goal was blasted high into the roof of the net 10 minutes from the end of extra-time. Alas.

  82. Bunting14

    Oct 02, 2015, 10:37 #76848

    I'm glad you mentioned the 1983 game which was on May Day. It was one of the nastiest games I have ever seen. Lots of late tackles and off ball incidents and when Moses got sent off it got a bigger cheer than our goals.

  83. Lord Froth

    Oct 02, 2015, 10:33 #76847

    Excellent article Robert. Here's hoping for a decent win this weekend.

  84. Badarse

    Oct 02, 2015, 10:07 #76846

    Astonishingly good article Robert, thank you so much.