A Gentleman Amongst Thorns?

What price honour?



A Gentleman Amongst Thorns?


In my years of going to watch the Arsenal; from those years when I wasn’t even sure what it was all about, at a tender age of three, to when I began to see some good displays at Highbury, to the boring, boring days and on to the doubt-filled days of Wenger turning up in 1996, to his intensity-filled early displays and the simply impossible-to-describe Invincible season and as I said, even prior to that 2003/04 season, the Gunners had had a lot to cheer for, with some really spirited displays and proper trophy battles with our rivals

I spent a large part of our recent trophyless years passionately defending Wenger, and I still think even in his recent madness and his inability to win the league or Champions League, it is still indecent to call him certain names. Come what may, I will always be grateful to him, for what he has done to the North London rivalry; totally destroying it and conscripting Tottenham into really vague, faint history. They are now like a faint memory of an unsatisfactory meal! I don’t think any other club in recent footballing history have dominated and turned their derby rivals into nonentities as Wenger has done with Tottenham. My neighbour’s son turns 21 next year and he is still waiting to see a season where Tottenham finish ahead of Arsenal in the league.

Watching Arsene shake the hand of Theo Walcott when he came off in the Man Utd game last weekend spoke volumes, as you could see how much the players still worship Wenger and the interviews after the game show how much of a gentleman Wenger is. Unfortunately, he came to England in an era where repeat winners simply cannot be gentlemen! Fergie spent most of his 26 years making referees shudder and there were very few who would dare give a penalty against Man Utd at Old Trafford, without fearing for their careers! With the advent of technology and various camera angles, the press are piling more pressure on referees these days, which would make it a little bit more difficult in today’s matches, for Fergie to be able to scare referees into adding the 12th man at every Old Trafford game.

That leads me to the main purpose of this article: Jose Mourinho – what a joke! The man the press and glossy magazines decided to make their king, because he always gives them so much to write about. The man who has never lasted more than 2 full seasons at any single club. (Ed’s note – Chelsea 2004/05 to 2006/07? Real Madrid 2010/11 to 2012/13? Where did this popular misconception come from?) I’m sure any of the elite managers: Wenger, Ancelotti, Ranieri and others, could and most did achieve a fair bit, if they move to the best clubs in each league in Europe, every two years and spend hundreds of millions each time. Yes, he is a good manager, there is no doubt about that; but part of being a good manager, is being able to do it for more than just two seasons. His only major feat was winning the Champions League with Porto, even though, there was a heavy touch of fortune that year as the best teams cancelled each other out. But even Villas-Boas managed to win the Portuguese league once or twice, with the team Mourinho left behind at Porto, so, it was like winning the SPL with either Rangers or Celtic (or with Celtic, given Rangers’ recent demise). He trots along from one big club to the next, spends piles of money, upsets everyone, and then moves on. Fortunately for him, he landed at a club with some of the most ungentlemanly fans in the history of English football (Chelski). They are not the most violent or unruly, but they are right up there with classless fans in the history of football.

What life in England does to foreigners (and I’ve seen it happen over the years to one of my neighbours who is German, who has been here for almost 40 years now, and another who is French whose parents moved here when he was four) is that the educated or wealthy ones begin to think they are English royalty. They suddenly take on this fake air of sophistication and begin to tend towards being statesmanlike and that is something that has happened to Wenger. He wanted to replace Fergie as the Godfather of British football, while he tried to remain a gentleman, when he could and should have swapped that for the ruthless streak that won Fergie all those trophies, and a similar (albeit less classy) ruthlessness, which has made Mourinho quite successful. But telling his players to dive when they have to, patting Costa on the back, would have made Wenger cringe, to see one of his players adopt such roguish tactics in the ‘beautiful game’.

In the 20th year of his Lordship, the gentlemanly royalty-wannabe Wenger, we continue to play some good football, lack any real ambition or desire to win big or win rampantly (even when we had Man Utd by their nuts and should have embarrassed them like they did us a few seasons back in the 8–2 drubbing, Lord Wenger decided to spare their blushes and we let them off with a 3–0 win), and I think we all know how this season will end. Looks like we will have to hold on for a while longer, for any real change at the Emirates.

Some will say, and I don’t think I would disagree; that better the gentleman plus a few trophies and some really good football, than a rogue like Mourinho. But definitely, a slightly less stubborn Wenger and a bit more grit would have catapulted Arsenal to the very top of English football.


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  1. Mark T

    Oct 13, 2015, 13:01 #77330

    Utter tosh.

  2. Arsene The Honourable

    Oct 12, 2015, 12:33 #77314

    Yes what a great man of honour and morality. I'm sure his wife and daughter agree, you know...what with him having nationally humiliated them in the press by very openly having a sordid affair with some young bit of skirt! Yes Arsene, what a modern day Saint! LOL

  3. Wrinkly Voyeur

    Oct 11, 2015, 22:56 #77310

    well...errr...overall I belieeeeve I know things about my bowels that you don't know. I belieeeve as well errr... if you leetle beet smell one of my top top quality bowel movements you will show great spiwit and mental strengz.

  4. Th14afc

    Oct 10, 2015, 21:25 #77298

    Totally agree with the Mourinho comments,what a joke he is...and a horrible person with no class,he suits chelski very well

  5. jjetplane

    Oct 10, 2015, 18:52 #77296

    If Pep gets the job' as though it was up to the club that wins nothing to appoint a serial winner. Pep would say like Klopp 'no ambition' .... 9th tier brilliant today! and we won wahay!

  6. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 10, 2015, 17:22 #77294

    goonercolesyboy. Who did you play for?

  7. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 10, 2015, 17:06 #77293

    'One helluva clean up job'. What exactly is to be cleaned up and please do make it clear so we all understand? If Guardiola gets the job, will you be Gobs?

  8. mbg

    Oct 10, 2015, 15:18 #77291

    Badarse, I doubt very much even you think he'll still be bumbling about as manager in five years. Anyway as has been said on here on numerous occasions, obviously you not being a regular on here you've missed it, so before you disappear on/in one of your huffs again (which I suppose won't be for another while as we don't play again until next Saturday) let me say it once more plain and simple that even you will understand. The new man will get and be given support for the length of his contract at least, three, four, years whatever it is and possibly more if real progress is seen and bearing in mind he has one hell of a clean up job to do, unless he's a complete imbecile (and one of those was bad enough so we certainly don't need another one) before fans turn against him, but one things for damn sure he won't get or be given ten or eleven years of failure, but it would come as no surprise if some left over AKB's or whatever they'll be called then would still be quite happy with mediocrity, although regardless of what some say I expect the majority of them will be the ones shouting and crying out the loudest for change.

  9. Badarse

    Oct 10, 2015, 15:06 #77290

    Afternoon SKG, as I said the essence of your post was agreeable, I just contested the first point about players behaviour regarding video evidence, which was later screened-I stick by my analysis. You said winning sportsmen and I plucked Borg and McEnroe as an obvious difference-you never mentioned that you meant 'just' footballers. Even so people do react differently ergo Gabriel/Koscielny at the Bridge recently, or are they both losers? As for the comments regarding TA, I do regard them as crude but it depends on the context-I might use them myself to get the point across, but it would be tongue in cheek and my players would know that but understand the commitment needed. Sorry but even non players like us two are different. Have read Frank's 'That's the way the Ball Bounces'; if I disagree with a crude fashion of communication it can come from any mouth and be equally crude, once more depending on context. As Captain Frank posted, some comments on the Online Gooner are close to slanderous-wouldn't you agree, or is that the correct way to go also?

  10. jjetplane

    Oct 10, 2015, 14:18 #77288

    Snorting Chuckle Brothers (SCBs). Loving the transparency. Black Forest Gateau anyone!

  11. mbg

    Oct 10, 2015, 14:02 #77287

    Colsoreboy, a good idea if it was going to actually make any difference.

  12. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 10, 2015, 13:43 #77286

    The Balanced Mind Brigade: The snorting Badarse, Jamerson and goonercolesyboy. You couldn't make it up.

  13. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 10, 2015, 12:29 #77283

    We will conquer the ball each ****ing time. Now that's the spirit!

  14. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 10, 2015, 11:57 #77282

    Oh dear Bardarse - you compare losing, in a middle class, individual, non contact sport like tennis to football! no comparison and that comment should be redacted from your post. Referring to what you regards as crude comments from TA, regarding deliberate yellow cards as a tactic to win matches, yet you, like me would love a "Captain Frank" to be leading our team again, may I suggest you read Frank's autobiography and decide if some of his behaviour meets with your approval. IMO you cannot become a winner of top honours in football unless you win the mental battle before you walk out on the pitch and that means certain players being capable of doing what ever it takes to win matches. All the great Arsenal teams have had just that type of player and so have all the CL winners, Puyol and Mascherano anyone! Tennis Badarse - behave yourself!

  15. Westlower

    Oct 10, 2015, 11:23 #77281

    Good to see Alexis scoring late on in Chile's 2-0 win v Brazil. Suggests all is well with his groin injury. Plus two goals for Cazorla & one for Theo - rip roaring, goal scoring Gunners.

  16. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 10, 2015, 11:10 #77280

    Interesting to see the blue mancs and west Londoners suffering from a bout of injured players from these international games. Not that I care about those clubs but I hope we come back safe and sound. It's time to take a leaf out of Ferguson's book and withdraw players before the call up so they don't have to go away and pick up niggly injuries that will keep on reoccurring unless rested properly. Giggs was a prime example, hence played until his late thirties. If they join the squad then the country's medical staff check them out.

  17. CORNISH GOONER

    Oct 10, 2015, 11:00 #77279

    I am truly horrified to read that some AKBs are reduced to "snorting" their way through every day. I am a bit old to understand yoof culture - could someone explain to me if this is a modern, drug related, stress coping technique? Would it not be better to simply petition for a change of Manager?

  18. mbg

    Oct 10, 2015, 11:00 #77278

    Klopp reckons if he's at Liverpool in 4 years he'll have won the league, that's ambition for you, that'll have the wengerites choking on their croissants, is he doing a mourinho and having a pop at their messiah? if the normal keeps showing ambition like that he'll be an AKB hate figure in know time. One things for damn sure he'll not be allowed or get 11 years to try and fail like our smirking clown.

  19. Badarse

    Oct 10, 2015, 10:34 #77277

    I wish to propel myself five years into the future when Arsene ends his second contract and goes upstairs. The new man arrives in a triumphal fanfare, with cries of, 'We won, we ousted him; we have our new man, hurrah!' Around now, early October, the bleating begins, and the WOBs amend their acronym to ?OBs, and the Online Gooner becomes choked with distressing and plaintive wailings. Meanwhile the rest of the world spins,and we of the balanced mind brigade chuckle and snort our way through the day.

  20. Captain Frank

    Oct 10, 2015, 10:25 #77276

    Nice article Canada. Its good to know that some Gooners can put their views on the manager to one side to still show respect. I don't support the manager anymore due to mistakes made and some of the things he has said - we all do both whether some are prepared to admit it or not - but I could never abuse him in the way some do on here. Describing him as an "old fraud" is poor form in my view and borderline slander. Fraud is after all a criminal offence. I could never support a manager like Mourinho because he is a pathetic individual who cares little about the club he is at and always makes everything about him.

  21. Ron

    Oct 10, 2015, 10:17 #77275

    If the WOBs are the frauds Jamie for displaying those characteristics, its because we re a reflection of the Clubs coach and most of his teams this last 10 yrs, so we at least fit seamlessly within the culture of the Team/Club dont we. Youre right though about the Club needing some thing new. Thats what the crux of the whole debate is really. The Club needs renewing. Its tired as any thing would be after 19 years of the same. I knew you d make a telling comment one day!

  22. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 10, 2015, 9:53 #77274

    Jamerson- weak spineless not up for the fight for the umpteenth time I point you to Wenger and the board. Top 4 is a trophy spineless, I'd rather finish Second for next twenty years spineless, selling Van Persie to manure spineless. So on and so on. We WOB's are here for the long term, most of us were here during GG's day and before that. You rolled up with Wenger and will leave with Wenger. You old loser.

  23. Westlower

    Oct 10, 2015, 9:18 #77273

    Fergie is reportedly a great admirer of Klopp, highlighting the Germans best qualities, especially his stubbornness. Remind you of anyone? Theo 1 Kane 0.

  24. mbg

    Oct 09, 2015, 20:40 #77272

    The Liverpool fans must be on cloud nine at the minute, after getting rid of their own old fraud and landing a young vibrant exciting new manager, walking around with a real spring to their step, moral must be at an all time high the excitement and hope is back, real expectations again a new era, instead of having to put up with stagnation and rot, listening to the same old fraud day in day out with the same old smirk and grin talking a good game, coming out with the same old crap day after day year after year, with the same out come, and making the same old excuses for it. I bet their praising their yank they must love him. Imagine if we could say the same, and were as excited about our club again, and had the same spring in our step and real expectations and hope again instead of knowing what's coming next and knowing exactly what's around the corner and how it's going to end yet again. Wouldn't it be great if our yank had the same balls. Whatever it is they're smoking over there I wish to God they'd send some to Highbury House.

  25. Badarse

    Oct 09, 2015, 20:36 #77271

    OK SKG, no dogs of war with us two. The camera evidence doesn't make our behaviour any more or less acceptable, because at the time it was thought offside, therefore the reaction was to an offside goal. Not sure if you skied off piste with the sanctimonious comment, but let's let it pass. No, winners in all sports are not the same when they lose-fact! Borg behaved differently to McEnroe when defeated, as do other individuals, perhaps you and I? I really admired TA but that crude comment you alluded to doesn't quite work with me. I learned many moons ago-look out they are starting to howl-that you have to skin a banana in different ways. Some players need the kick, others to be assuaged in less violent fashion to get the best from them-it's my view, a skipper's view. Thing is the point I made regarding 'spirit of '71' is certainly one we should agree upon-the other points are just other sides of the same coin, therefore not too far apart in comprehension-nuances? I think the game has altered so much that we really should try to forget '71 because it will probably never ever be replicated, but we cannot! Still, how we both wish that a McLintock would appear, that a 'Wee' Geordie happened to drop by, and Charlie was there waving, and the 'Snout' gave a daggered look as he walked gun-slinger style past, and 'Willow' smiled and waved to us as he went between the sticks, then the 'Stroller' ambled along. It's sad fella, we shall always miss them. I think we experienced the best of the best; it's a new stage with new performers on it. I enjoy the best of that.

  26. jjetplane

    Oct 09, 2015, 20:04 #77270

    CG Kloppmania is good for the football soul. With Pardew, Martinez, Monk, Koeman the PL is a happier place.

  27. cornish Gooner

    Oct 09, 2015, 19:50 #77269

    I am in massive trouble down here. My wife, who hates le fooball with a passion, caught the Klopp interview and thought Herr K was wonderful. She said she fully understood, at long last, why I shouted at the TV whenever Monsieur Wenger was interviewed and gave that smirk to the cameras. Compared to Herr K, she said he looked like an escapee from an old people's home. HOWEVER, the sting in the tail is that I can no longer negotiate TV watching rights for the live games which I will now have to record or watch in a freezing, unheated alternative Sky Multiroom! If I want to get fed, I am going to have to accept this or transfer 60 years of allegiance to L'Arse to Liverpool. Life can be so unfair.

  28. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 09, 2015, 18:57 #77268

    Badarse : If you want some perspective regarding that Leeds game in 71 - well for a start the goal Charlton scored was a good goal as was proved a few days later by TV. So that makes our behaviour towards the ref even more appalling, if Chelsea players had behaved like that the sanctimonious amongst us would want points deducted. Winners in all sports are as bad as each other when they lose. When Wenger had his dogs of war he used them to the max, the only reason Arsene and Fergie got on better towards the end of Fergie's reign was because the Scotsman knew he had beaten him - as they say show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. I am in the Tony Adams camp when it comes to football - how did it put it to his back four before a game "right you you and you yellow cards before half time please". Sounds like a battle plan to me.

  29. jjetplane

    Oct 09, 2015, 18:27 #77267

    let's be honest, even the extremely moonie eyed AKB finds little to say about Wenger particularly when it comes to his supposed job as a football manager. Once you get past the 'spirit' and the 'mental strength' recurrence you are left with well ....... Anyway - we are all living in a Klopp submarine with our Klopp caps on and it's like the Beatles never went away. 'Take a sad song/and make it better .....' if only at the WOK of possessive stats both football and finance-wise. Quite exciting really how AKBs really feel uncomfortable about Kloppworld. The media cannot get enough of the new and the old can get by with a freshening up.

  30. Bard

    Oct 09, 2015, 16:53 #77266

    Not one of your best Canada. Im with Jeff on this one. I couldnt care less what the manager is like as a person, its about the teams they produce and the results they get. I dpnt pay money to watch the manager. Wenger has never said anything about the game that I have found even vaguely interesting but who cares. What I do think is true is that teams reflect the managers personality. So what does that say about us. we are a side that is capable of playing great football but ultimately dont have the character, tactical nous or determination to compete for the bigs trophies.

  31. Badarse

    Oct 09, 2015, 16:43 #77265

    SKG, think things need perspective. We were undone by a last minute 'offside' goal and the Leeds team enamoured themselves with their nasty jibes at the Arsenal players both on and off the pitch as the whistle sounded-that we '...were never going to win the title now!' Isn't that the same attitude as you suggest the Arsenal players invoked? Yet only one winner, them on the night, but us at the end. I am all about passion and emotion, but if controls are not in place we are likely to go over the edge. As I tacitly suggested it's perspective. I certainly agree that we need that Arsenal class of '71 spirit, but those days are gone mate.

  32. Ron

    Oct 09, 2015, 16:03 #77264

    So you're a Stoke fan then Jamie? Had suspected as much.

  33. Tony Evans

    Oct 09, 2015, 13:40 #77263

    Alex Ferguson is probably a one off and is the one that got away from Arsenal. We appointed GG (my favourite Arsenal manager to date - despite 'bunggate') and we will never know what may have transpired under Ferguson. Wenger hasn't got the ruthless streak required and although I wouldn't want an egotistical little sh*t like Mourinho in charge at Arsenal, somewhere between the two would be good.

  34. mbg

    Oct 09, 2015, 13:24 #77262

    Ron, I couldn't agree more mate, good luck to Klopp and Liverpool, they've had the balls to go for it, take the chance, to show real ambition instead of just stagnate and rot with our old has been, fair play to them for it if only our tired old regime had the same balls, I notice the wengerites are already calling him names and jeering and turning against him (I wonder why that is) just wait until one of his players foul one of our little fancy dans or klopp shows he can do tatics against their messiah and beats us, you can just hear the wengerites now, he'll become another Maureen overnight a hate figure for the AKB's.

  35. Westlower

    Oct 09, 2015, 13:08 #77261

    Theo to score a hat-trick for England this evening - 8/1 with Skybet (maybe they've already recorded his acceptance speech) & 28/1 with Ladbrokes. The diversity of football opinion knows no bounds!

  36. mbg

    Oct 09, 2015, 13:04 #77260

    Born Gooner, I would have thought that was obvious and even self explanatory especially for an AKB but obviously not.

  37. jjetplane

    Oct 09, 2015, 13:01 #77259

    Some great posts there which enlighten anyone with a true Arsenal heart and then you have The Bleaters who are running riot without their president. Interesting points on man of the moment Klopp and if he has anything in his draw then it has to be a top 4 finish along with Utd, Spuds, Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Everton, Stoke, Chelsea and perhaps the sophisticated, urbane, left bank boiled chicken smoking, gentlemanly Arsenal. Come on Theo - let's be having you! Wonder what was going through Olly's head when he missed on Sunday. I really think he WILL be better off at West Ham or one of the other top London clubs. All eyes on The Normal One .....

  38. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 09, 2015, 12:50 #77258

    Seven kings - do you have a link to that would love to see it. My father God rest his soul made a dubious decision to go up to Leeds on that day with my older sister in tow. I believe he describes it as one of the most evil atmosphere's he ever encountered and one memory was of a long haired Arsenal supporter being battered by a member of yorkshires finest plod. The long hair made a handy hold. If Its probably the old truism a gentlemans game played by thugs. For Arsenal to have won the title in 71 and come close in 72. They had to be tough and deal with the dark arts. I.e Chopper Harris who in 70 wrecked Alan Clarke early on.

  39. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 09, 2015, 12:45 #77257

    Plenty of activity on a certain iiiiiiiiiiiipad this morning. 7.26 'So here goes, on behalf of Mark, and other sweet innocents like myself, gentlemen please stop the personal, digs, jibes, snipes; but you can keep the custard pies coming'7.37 'Another with his bizarre brand of existentialism drivel,'

  40. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 09, 2015, 11:51 #77255

    Canada : You talk about Fergie and referees - there is a footage on you tube of Don Howe and the Arsenal players surrounding a referee in the tunnel (Think it was the 71 Leeds away game where we lost 1-0) we gave him dogs abuse, every other word was an f word. We were no different to any other team that was dominant in their time - its called winning! You may not like it but without that win at all costs desire you do not win major trophies. Study Barca in some of their signature performances and certain players are well over the edge of acceptability but it clears the way for Messi to do his stuff. As for managers spending hundreds of millions to win titles I'm afraid in today's footballing world that's what it costs to be a champion. The only option for people who dislike this reality is to get out of it and leave to those who are made of stronger stuff.

  41. RedPig

    Oct 09, 2015, 11:47 #77254

    This article is cringeworthy. Rated it a 1 .. and even that was too generous :)

  42. jeff wright

    Oct 09, 2015, 10:56 #77253

    Pro football was built on the foundations of tribal war -fare in the UK and I can't recall it ever being important if the manager of these local clubs who were engaged in the fun was Mr Nice Guy or not . It's irrelevant if Wenger is nice or horrible the only criteria that managers are judged by is results. Even Wenger needed his 4th place trophy for donkey's years to sustain his position. Football is and always has been a results game and not a popularity contest. Many Pseudo -intellectual types are attracted to Wenger because of his Le Prof image that they find attractive to them . What this has to do with football is a matter for conjecture but it seems to be that there is a kind of snobbish elitism involved in the charade and this alleged intellectual superiority of Wenger is often used to cover up for Wenger's football related failings by claiming that he is doing the right thing and other alleged failures such as 'Fat Sam' are ignorant uneducated oafs who think that cant means can't. Lots of cant involved with the Wenger myth though. Klopp is perceived in a different way to Wenger he is claimed to be a manager who can turn donkeys into thoroughbreds and will be expected to do so with the squad of them that Brendan Rodgers left behind when he slunk out of Anfield by the tradesman's entrance instead of through the Shankly Gates . As it it is though Klopp will not be judged on winning trophies his brief from the American Sports company that owns Liverpool FC will be the same as Wenger's , a Champions League place will be a success . With United and even Chelsea ,led by the nasty Portugeezer, now also targeting the same pot of gold at the end of the rainbow it is getting mighty crowded at the top and only Pell at City will be judged a failure if he does not win the League. Two of the others will see 2nd or 3rd as being a success and one of them will be hoping that 4th place is as well. Being Mr. Nice or Mr. Nasty doesn't come into it.Other than at AFC of course. Anyway I'm off for the weekend back next week ,have a nice one.

  43. Ron

    Oct 09, 2015, 10:32 #77251

    Badarse - and yet you turn up to this post with yr brand of false waffle, couched in the usual obvious snide barbs and seemingly you think you're not transparent and others are not onto you? Thats the real oddity surely, seeing as there's a multitude of posters who clearly all see your offering s for what they are, are clearly all onto you judging by their responses to your posts. Ask y self the question chum. Is your pretence worth it?

  44. Ron

    Oct 09, 2015, 10:16 #77250

    It l be interesting to see how the Klopp thing plays out there. I do wonder if its going to be quite as enthralling as is being made out. He seemingly rode a joyous experience at BD and like many things in life such highs don't reproduce under different circs at different moments. Im not totally sure LFC is going to be quite the same. The nature of the Club and there fans see similarities with BD and they expect the same. Thats the pressure on him. perhaps a less passionate Club like AFC would have been the better recipe for him this time. He would then have had a green field to impose his own brand of fervour in a Club that desperately needs it and needs converting to a football Club again. We ll see. He seems a good bloke and one of some substance too. Good luck to him and to LFC too for having the guts to go for it.

  45. Born Gooner

    Oct 09, 2015, 9:22 #77249

    @mbg Great result for Northern Ireland and a massive achievement but if it is really the first game of football you've truly enjoyed for the last number of years (your words), it does beg the question, why don't you find something else to spend your time on? Instead of constantly and incessantly whining and moaning on here like a spoilt child?

  46. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 09, 2015, 9:14 #77248

    Klopp at Liverpool. Let's see; it's all soooooo predictable; lots of photos and soundbites of him pulling funny faces, running around, big smile etc. "Klopp watch" on the first Sky game. Team will probably win a couple of games, he's the messiah, then lose a game he's suddenly not quite as good as "we" thought. Long term it means LFC paying hundreds of millions (again) to reassasemble the squad. And on we go.

  47. Badarse

    Oct 09, 2015, 7:37 #77245

    What oddities people are, and transparent too. An ex(?) WOB writes an article, not really my cup of tea but I thanked, (view previous post yesterday). The posters arrive in their smoky, rattling old bus, get out and start yelling at the sky. One goes for the man not the ball-doesn't he always? Another with his bizarre brand of existentialism drivel, Another uses the article to have a go at Walcott. One wants to celebrate 'nationalism' as an excuse to tear into an unsuspecting and uncaring Wenger. Another tries to 'big up' AFC, another takes a swipe at the negativity makers, a Sour throws in his two pennyworth, and I waste time pointing it all out to you. This is Windows 2015-you are all predictably transparent. Enjoy!

  48. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 09, 2015, 7:36 #77244

    Where's Walley - I'd go along with everything you say bar Goldmans. Bear in mind they traded massively in Property based CFD's whilst simultaneously hedging against the trades. Very naughty as should have declared this. The banks who took the trades were broken in the rocks of the credit crunch. Goldmans meanwhile sailed merrily along stronger tan ever. They are the Manure / Bayern Munich of the banking world. Back to your main point yes sport is about winning and if s club put financial comfort above that then it is corrupted my friend

  49. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Oct 09, 2015, 6:48 #77241

    Professional sport is about winning. It's about glory and excitement. Wenger has played his part in turning AFC into a comfortable American corporation. A money making machine that is the footballing equivalent of Goldman Sachs. Say what you like about Klopp but it's going to be a wild, thrilling ride at Liverpool. We can only watch with envy at staid old Arsenal, safely securing top four again.

  50. mbg

    Oct 09, 2015, 1:34 #77239

    There's a real Gentleman in the news tonight not an old whinging fraud like wenger, but a real manager a man called Michael O'Neill, manager of Northern Ireland (Norn Ireland we're not Brazil but Norn Ireland)who has just guided this wee country to the Euro finals in France (and who wouldn't have said boo to a goose if we'd have been beat or robbed, or neither would have the supporters), with real players, no premadonnas, no nice boys with beards who can talk a good game, no players who love themselves more than their club or country, but players who deliver when it matters, real grafters honest pro's like we used to have in George Grahams day)players who know what it takes and means to be a pro (something wengers bunch of overrated premadonnas have never done and never will) not a superstar among them driving about in top of the range motors paid for them, no staying in top hotels all expense's paid, premier inn maybe (and they probably had to dip into their own pockets) all third fourth tier players who know what it's like to give their all, something the majority of wengers dwarfs couldn't even contemplate doing. I'm not a fan of internationals as anybody who knows me will know, but it's the first game of football I've truly enjoyed for the last number of years (thanks wenger) shouting cheering for, and supporting an honest hard working team with a manager every body can look up to and respect,(unlike wenger) with my mates in my local, and bringing the house down when we won, bring on England.

  51. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 08, 2015, 23:10 #77238

    'FAKE air of sophistication'

  52. Ron

    Oct 08, 2015, 22:10 #77237

    Another i hate Chelsea and lets laugh at Tottenham yawn fest. Is that the collateral joy youre happy to eek from our mediocrity and tedium as well? AKB Command specialise in that. Its as tedious as Walcotts new 'im the new Alan Shearer' CD. Of course he loves Wenger. He d barely get a game at another top club.

  53. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 08, 2015, 22:02 #77236

    Deluded loser- spot on Finsbury Joe, got you in one and your scum fans. Arsenal will always be a top club, no matter the manager and continuous moaning, black scarf, petitions etc achieves nothing.

  54. jjetplane

    Oct 08, 2015, 21:23 #77235

    More AKB pie filling - why not just call it I hate Maureen and is it really your view that Wenger single-handedly put the Spuds to bed. Why not next an 'article' with pictures of how Wenger built the Wok himself. Good posts Mark, MGB and FJ. Poor man's Simon Rose. Anyone know if Klopp has landed yet! Lol!

  55. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 08, 2015, 21:04 #77234

    It's articles and views like this that get Arsenal fans a reputation as amongst the most arrogant. And for the record, Wenger is far from a gentleman, he is a spiteful, bitter, opinionated, disingenuous, arrogant, whinging, deluded loser. Mourinho a winner?? Only when he gets a fortune to spend, he certainly looks anything but a winner at the moment.

  56. Badarse

    Oct 08, 2015, 20:06 #77231

    Hello again Canadagooner, thank you. Were you referring to westlower and myself when you touched on sophistication and statesmanlike? We are both too humble to accept such compliments, and more seasoned to expect petty digs and rancorous behaviour-nice thought though.

  57. mbg

    Oct 08, 2015, 19:37 #77228

    Those days are a faint memory alright, never to return, and when he's remembered now it will not be for those. It's not to hard to know why wally and the rest of these players worship OGL, any player would when they know the manager is going to put up with and accept mediocrity and one good performance every three or four games and an odd goal here and there from so called strikers, and is going to keep picking them out of favouritism regardless of their performance's. I bet they'll not worship the new man when he comes in and treats them like they should be treated and doesn't put up with crap, a manager like Mourinho ? who's a winner, with ambition, now that's what we want, and he'd certainly take no crap

  58. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 08, 2015, 19:20 #77226

    It's all a bit might have been isn't it. I was obviously a young guy in 87 but looking at YouTube highlights of Spurs Arsenal semi things were very different back then. The whole club has been corporately sanitised including the support to an extent. The next statement is said with a sharp intake of breath as I fully realise that Chelsea supporters literally include some of the most unpleasant ingrates you would ever wish to meet. But..... There supporters still have a touch of that 87 crowd about them. This means they are very loyal until they think someone is taking the piss then it turns rabid. With us lot too many just stay loyal