#FlashbackFriday – Arsenal v the Welsh

Part two of a look back at Gunners’ games against teams from Wales



#FlashbackFriday – Arsenal v the Welsh


At the start of 1981/82, Swansea’s promotion winning form would carry on into the new season with a 5-1 thrashing of Leeds United on the opening day of the season, their first goal in the top flight scored by Jeremy Charles, the son of former Arsenal star Mel and nephew of John Charles, as well as a hat-trick for Bob Latchford on his debut and a goal for Alan Curtis. In September, Swansea would beat FA Cup holders Tottenham Hotspur at the Vetch Field 2-1. By October Swansea had risen to the top of the old First Division and would visit Anfield to play a Liverpool side who had won just two out of their seven games played.

The match took place just four days after the death of Bill Shankly from a heart attack aged sixty eight and Toshack, who had received managerial advice from Shanks on taking over at Swansea, would wear a Liverpool jersey for the minute’s silence. In the event Swansea would take a two goal lead, but would be pegged back to 2-2 by two Liverpool penalties, the second resulting in an altercation between goalkeeper Dai Davies (now transferred from Wrexham to Swansea) and Terry McDermott and Graeme Souness. The following week it would be the turn of a struggling Arsenal side to travel to the Vetch Field to face Swansea.

Arsenal had won just two of their eight games and that day too suffered a 0-2 defeat at the hands of Swansea, with goals from Leighton James and Max Thompson. Swansea would end up doing the double over Arsenal that season, also winning by the same score line at Highbury in February. For Swansea there would be further memorable victories such as defeating both Manchester clubs at home, a 2-0 win over Man. Utd at the end of January (in which former Arsenal star Ray Kennedy would make his debut for the Swans, after joining from Liverpool) and a 2-0 win over Man. City in April, as well as a 2-0 home victory over Liverpool in February.

The Swans however would finish the season in sixth position, two points behind Arsenal in fifth place. The following season however saw the start of a decline for Swansea, with Arsenal winning both fixtures over the Swans that season – 2-1 away at the Vetch Field with goals from Tony Woodcock and Lee Chapman, while at Highbury on New Year’s Day of 1983 Arsenal won again by the same score line with Alan Sunderland on the scoresheet as well as Tony Woodcock again. This fixture was also the debut of Vladimir Petrovic for Arsenal. Swansea would finish the season second from bottom and relegated to the second tier. A second consecutive relegation followed in 1983/84, along with the exit of John Toshack. By 1985 the club were going bust and relegated to the fourth tier by the end of the 1985/86 season.

By the mid-1980s, the Welsh national side contained world class players such as Neville Southall, Ian Rush, Mark Hughes and Kevin Ratcliffe though were falling just short of qualifying for major championships as seen here with this 1-1 draw with Scotland in a World Cup Qualifier at Ninian Park (the tension of which led to the sad death of Jock Stein from a heart attack). However, by this point all four Welsh clubs in the Football League where within the bottom two divisions. By 1989 one of those clubs faced demise. After the take-over of an American called Jerry Sherman who hailed from the similarly named town in Washington State in 1986, and subsequently jailed for fraud, Newport County had been relegated from the Football League in 1988 on the back of two successive relegations. While rock bottom of the Conference in February 1989, Newport County were wound up at the High Court with debts of £330,000 and unable to finish their season.

By the end of the 1990/91 season Wales were lucky not to lose another Football League side, as Wrexham had finished the season rock bottom of the old fourth division, but the brief expansion of the Football League to ninety three clubs meant that the club were not demoted to the non-League. That same season Arsenal won the Football League title losing just one game, therefore when the two sides were drawn against each other in the third round of the FA Cup they were polls apart in a footballing sense. Arsenal went into the fixture in poor form winning just two of the previous nine games and as Wrexham manager Brian Flynn would state: ‘On paper they should murder us, but the game isn't being played on paper’.

Wrexham only managed a crowd of around half of the 25,000 figure which turned out for the 1978 fixture and on the pitch only David O’Leary and Mickey Thomas were present fourteen years on. After Alan Smith put Arsenal ahead in the first half it was the contribution of the latter which changed the tie. Thirty seven year old Thomas hit a great twenty yard free kick, with twenty year old Steve Watkin putting Wrexham ahead six minutes from time. To add insult to injury Arsenal were denied what looked like a perfectly legitimate equaliser from Jimmy Carter in the dying minutes, with the game finishing in a 1-2 defeat for Arsenal.

A jubilant Mickey Thomas would remark after the game that Arsenal: ‘had everything to lose today and they lost it’, which was kind of ironic as after his moment of glory Thomas not long after would be convicted of a money counterfeiting operation in selling dud bank notes to young Wrexham apprentices that saw him jailed for eighteen months, as well as an extra-marital affair which led to him being stabbed in the buttocks. That same year for the first time Wales would have its own national Football League, however all three Welsh clubs playing within the English Football League would decline the offer to join as fixtures against TNS or Rhyl would generate much less revenue for these sides. It would be another fourteen years before Arsenal would play Welsh opposition again, however in between all of English football’s major finals would be moved to Wales for seven years, with Arsenal featuring in the first and last of these finals – the 2001 FA Cup Final and the 2007 League Cup Final, which were both lost – along with three other finals in the interim in which the Gunners were victorious.

In the final year in which the FA Cup Final was played outside of England, Arsenal faced Cardiff City in the third round of the FA Cup in Arsenal during what was Arsenal’s final season at Highbury. The game ended in a 2-1 victory for Arsenal with two goals for Robert Pires, Cameron Jerome on target for Cardiff. Two years after the Millennium Stadium last hosted the FA Cup Final, Cardiff were to reach Wembley again eighty one years after their triumph against Arsenal. The Bluebirds were to lose 0-1 to a Portsmouth side captained by former Gunner Sol Campbell and a winning goal scored by another former Arsenal player Nwankwo Kanu. Lining up for Cardiff that day however would be future Arsenal star Aaron Ramsey who after coming on as a substitute after sixty one minutes would be the second youngest ever player to appear in an FA Cup Final at 17 years and 143 days old.

Within a month Man. Utd. agreed a figure with Cardiff for Rambo, however the young Welsh star instead opted to join Arsenal in June 2008. Within six month Arsenal were drawn against his old side in the FA Cup fourth round and Rambo would be named in the starting eleven for a 0-0 draw at Ninian Park, though would be relegated to the bench for the replay three weeks later. Returning to the first eleven that night would be Eduardo Da Silva, ten months on from his horrific leg and ankle break away at St. Andrews. Eddie would mark his return with a headed goal after twenty minutes, as well as converting a second half penalty. Goals also for Nic Bendtner and Robin Van Persie gave Arsenal a 4-0 win.

Meanwhile, a Welsh footballing powerhouse was beginning to re-emerge forty one miles to the West of Cardiff. The Swansea City Supporters Society had owned 21.1% of their club since 2001 and their club had managed to win promotion out of the fourth tier of English football in 2004/05 in what was their last season at Vetch Field. In 2005 both Swansea City and the Ospreys Rugby Club would move to the newly built Liberty Stadium, aided by funds from Swansea Council and the naming rights sold to Swansea-based developers Liberty Properties Plc. Swansea’s promotion winning side of 2004/05 would include Roberto Martinez, who left the club on a free transfer in May 2006, but would return nine months later as Swansea’s manager and win promotion again to the second tier by winning League One in his first full season as boss in 2007/08, though would leave Swansea for Wigan, then in the Premiership, a year later.

Promotion to the Premiership followed after the appointment of Brendan Rodgers in 2010, which was secured via the play offs in May 2011 with a 4-2 win over Rodgers’s former club Reading. Swansea’s first visit to Arsenal in nearly twenty nine years came in September 2011, after Arsenal had suffered an horrendous August picking up just one point out of a possible nine. Their previous game had been the 2-8 horror show at Old Trafford, so Arsenal had come into this fixture desperately needing a result. Arsene Wenger, panicked by the Old Trafford loss as well as the exit of Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri to Barcelona and Man City respectively, brought in mainstays of today’s side such as Mikel Arteta and Per Mertesecker, as well as a one season loan for Chelsea’s Yossi Benayoun and the maligned full back Andre Santos. An Andrei Arshavin goal that day secured a 1-0 win for Arsenal.

When the two sides met for the return fixture for Arsenal’s first ever visit to the Liberty Stadium in January 2012, Arsenal took the lead with a Robin Van Persie goal after five minutes, though were pulled back by a Scott Sinclair penalty after sixteen minutes followed by Nathan Dyer giving Swansea the lead after fifty seven minutes. Theo Walcott drew Arsenal even on sixty nine minutes, however a Danny Graham strike sixty seconds later inflicted a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal and giving Swansea their first victory over North London’s finest in nearly three decades. At the end of the 2011/12 season Swansea would lose Brendan Rodgers to Liverpool, but would appoint Danish Footballing legend Michael Laudrup in his place.

Swansea wouldn’t have to wait so long to inflict their next defeat on Arsenal, as at the end of that calendar year the Swans left North London with all three points from two Michu strikes as Arsenal suffered a 0-2 loss. The two sides were to meet again a month later in the third round of the FA Cup, with Arsenal visiting the Liberty Stadium. Swansea took the lead again through another Michu strike. Three goals however were to come in the last ten minutes, with a great strike from Lukas Podolski drawing Arsenal level. Kieran Gibbs gave Arsenal the lead two minutes later with a superb volley, however Danny Graham was to equalise three minutes from the end of normal time to take Arsenal to a replay after a 2-2 draw. Back in North London ten days later, an eighty sixth minute Jack Wilshere strike from the edge of the area took Arsenal through to the next round with a 1-0 win.

Though Swansea would exit the FA Cup, six weeks later they would win their first major trophy at Wembley, winning the 2013 League Cup Final against fourth tier Bradford City 5-0, with two goals for Nathan Dyer, one from Michu and a Jonathan De Guzman penalty. Arsenal were to meet Swansea again in the Premiership two months later, this time Arsenal triumphed 2-0 with goals from Nacho Monreal and Gervinho. In 2013/14 Arsenal were to leave the Liberty Stadium again with full points as goals from Serge Gnabry and Aaron Ramsey gave Arsenal a 2-1 win. That season, Swansea would be joined by Cardiff in the Premiership, the first time Wales had two sides in the English top flight.

At the end of November Arsenal would visit the new Cardiff City stadium for the first time, winning 3-0 with two goals from former Bluebird Aaron Ramsey and one for Mathieu Flamini. In the return fixture on New Year’s Day 2014 Arsenal would triumph 2-0 with goals from Nicklas Bendtner and Theo Walcott both coming in the closing minutes of the game. Cardiff however would be relegated from the Premiership at the end of that season. Meanwhile, Swansea’s next visit to North London’s finest would come in late March, with the Swans taking the from a Wilfried Bony header after eleven minutes. After seventy three minutes however, Arsenal would score two goals in two minutes with Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud both finding the net. Arsenal however would snatch a draw from the jaws of victory with an own goal in the last minute from Mathieu Flamini, with the game finishing 2-2.

In 2014/15 however, for the first time in thirty three years Swansea would do the double over Arsenal, inflicting a 1-2 defeat at the Liberty Stadium in November with goals from Gylfi Sigurdsson and Bafetimbi Gomis cancelling out an earlier Alexis Sanchez strike. Back in North London last May, former Arsenal goalkeeper Lukasz Fabianski would keep the Gunners at bay before a Bafetimbi Gomis strike five minutes from time would give the Swans three points, inflicting Arsenal’s first defeat since early February.

And so onto Saturday, Arsenal have hit on a good run of form over the last few weeks, only kept from the Premiership top spot by goal difference. Swansea however have proven to be a traditional bogey side for Arsenal over the years. We also are about to enter November, which is traditionally the time when an Arsenal League title challenge begins to unravel. Therefore, should Arsene Wenger’s side wish to finally mount a credible challenge for the title, Saturday’s visit to South Wales is the kind of fixture which Arsenal would want to take all three points to send a real statement of intent to the rest of the Premiership.

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  1. jjetplane

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:59 #78401

    Don't seem to happy with your lot there but victory is second hand unless you are there .... Arsenal Player lol! Off to Turkey ....

  2. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 8:56 #78377

    Good morning my little toasted crumpets, quite nice in themselves but full of holes. Bard your Halloween mask is slipping, that invite to goonercolesyboy was similar to the one offered to me by Exeter on Friday-seems in the same genre as 'f**k off down the lane'. It would be oh so much easier for the status quo to whine and slobber together if none offered an alternative view, wouldn't it? Your brief analysis reveals you fella, I think. It sounded almost as if you were happy to recount we were VERY second best in the first half, and a grudging acknowledgement that we did actually win. As I said, I think you revealed yourself. Some just have agendas, others have been living so long in their cupboards under the stairs that daylight and brightness is a peculiar phenomenon, too difficult to adjust to! By the way, this is not a sermon-I listen to sermons occasionally when they interrupt the natural flow of Radio 4, and they always give me a good chuckle as they are vacuous and have very blunt points-it's all down to godot. When I post it's hopefully to remove the scales from the eyes of some and get them to ask themselves questions. It's that old nomenclature going boss-eyed again. Am raising my first cusp of the day to you buddy.

  3. Bard

    Nov 01, 2015, 7:38 #78376

    You called it right Westie, We were lucky in the first half. They should have been two or three goals to the good but second half we dominated. I didnt think much of the game, poor quality really. Still a good result all the same. Made sweeter by Maureen's demise. Bayern here we come. Dont worry Colseyboysetc whatever Kev writes doesnt change the result. If youre worried try Arseblog for brown nosing of the highest order.

  4. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2015, 7:32 #78375

    Arsenal were lucky not to concede a penalty when the ball struck BFG arm. Arsenal were lucky Giroud led the line instead of Theo as the first 2 goals were down to his physical presence & ariel ability. Arsenal were lucky that Flappy still lives up to his name. Arsenal were lucky that Bellerin is lightning fast, catching Gomis in that manner. Question, how come given the speed he's got, why doesn't he pull up lame like the Brits? Same training regime, different outcome. No Brits on the field, no new muscle injuries, coincidence? All 4 ECL teams put in flat performances yesterday.

  5. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 01, 2015, 7:07 #78374

    Probably better posted on match report but.... Now getting interesting thanks to LVG still not knowing his best team. Depay seems to have personality problems and Martial is hitting a wall in regards to LVG tactics. Could therefore turn into 2 horse race if we keep our results going. My pre season view that Chelsea were pretty nailed on as their December games were looking easy did not take into account the 6 defeats in 11! Great to see couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. A fair percentage of their overseas support couldn't even ride a tube train with their home fanbase. How nice! Up the Gunners!

  6. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 01, 2015, 6:12 #78373

    Phil Thompson is just another professional scouser, living on their past reputation - just like the club he used to play for.

  7. Ozzie

    Nov 01, 2015, 3:22 #78372

    Wow, this is getting serious, folks. Keep them there feet on the ground. COYG it's there for the taking......again!

  8. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2015, 21:24 #78371

    In PL, 5 wins from 6 away games, 3 wins from 5 home games. Not a team who draw too many. Now 6/4 to be Champions, Citeh Evens, Man U 9/1, Chelsea 80/1. Maureen a best priced 1/2 to be next manager to leave his post. @jj, we were as close to the pitch as you. I was at Newmarket, yourself? Still Leicester gave you some cheer.

  9. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 31, 2015, 21:23 #78370

    Well done Joel glad to see you reacted well to Wengers words around 2 ways to go. Great to see you took the challenge. Overall there are stronger signs of the team reacting the right way. Good win!

  10. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 21:04 #78369

    I listened on Arsenal Player-completely unbiased naturally, but they admitted the Swans shaded the first half but after we scored they were second best and their legs went sometime between the second and third goals. I too saw Thompson's beguiling report and nearly fell over when he said we'd been played off the park, but was already crawling across the kitchen floor. I too saw the stats, which didn't support his report. Trust no one, especially an ex-Liverpool man. His report was more than a little scathing and intimated it was unfair as we should have conceded a penalty. That he would know a lot about as he must have watched the 2001 FA Cup Final. Is there a slithering in the grass? Yes, jj's come out for a bitter fun.

  11. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 31, 2015, 20:54 #78368

    Great win. Looking forward to the report tomorrow on here.

  12. exiled&dangerous

    Oct 31, 2015, 20:12 #78367

    Yes, John. The rest of us are laughing too hard to feel anything.

  13. John Gage

    Oct 31, 2015, 19:04 #78366

    11 points after 11 matches, the lowest total in Premiership history for a reigning champion...Feel embarrassed admiting this but am I the only one feeling schadenfreude for Mourinho?

  14. Alsace

    Oct 31, 2015, 18:19 #78365

    Progress. Sat back and soaked it up and then hit them. We need a DM and a striker in January. Will he get it done?

  15. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 31, 2015, 17:57 #78364

    Westlower - Interesting rhetorical question. Not seen the game (listened instead) but it sounded as though they shaded the first half. The Flappyhanded one handed us one so some luck there. I suppose we were also lucky that dauphin giroud bothered to show up today (at least in order to score) - the same could be said for campbell who was pants-like on Tuesday. We were obviously better in the long run against WTF-ord, but I thought we had some luck in that 3-0. However, the Owls didn't need any luck to trolley us 3-0 on Tuesday did they?

  16. jjetplane

    Oct 31, 2015, 17:50 #78363

    What was the impression from where you and Baddie were watching it? lol!

  17. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2015, 17:35 #78362

    Sky pundit Phil Thompson reckoned Swansea played Arsenal off the park. Then the stats appeared on screen. Attempts on goal - Swansea 8 AFC 15: On target - Swansea 3 AFC 5; Fouls - Swansea 12 AFC 7. Are you sure Phil? Can there be such a thing as a lucky, lucky, lucky 3-0 win?

  18. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2015, 17:16 #78361

    2000.....2001.....2002....

  19. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 17:14 #78360

    'This is the way we wash our socks, wash our socks, wash our socks...'. Was castigated by jeff when during the World Cup I said I believed Joel would make it, having been privy to a ten minute cameo by the lad. Early days but the kid did well today, and a goal always helps as a confidence boost. Thank goodness our carthorse did it again too. Mesut, two assists? Tonight I will raise a cusp to the boys!

  20. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 17:03 #78359

    This chap Butler looks an odious chap, didn't know of him AKBest and have wiped my memory slate clean so, 'Oo, I 'ate you Butler!', is my only connection again.

  21. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2015, 16:59 #78358

    Lucky, lucky, lucky Arsenal.........

  22. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 31, 2015, 16:50 #78357

    It must have had something to do with my Tony Butler embossed prayer mat that I got out at half time. It was looking even rosier before city's late pen. If anyone wants a laugh/shudder, look up Tony's wiki page. Alan Partridge with bells on...but a nasty piece of work to boot.

  23. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 16:34 #78356

    Ha ha, not on my Ga Ga, we're 0-3 up.

  24. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 31, 2015, 15:40 #78355

    Badarse - maybe you should stop doing your dirty laundry in public. Sounds like we're struggling in Wales on my radio. C'mon you gooners!

  25. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 14:59 #78354

    AKBest there you go, mentioning my washing machine has you in a spin. As Jon Donne says, 'Any man's death diminishes me.' I take no real joy in Maureen being sacked but he is such a clown he kind of deserves to be shown as a failure in some instances, especially as many, 'under the bedcovers' use his prowess and achievements as a stick to beat AW with. Not much achieved by him so far this season.

  26. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 31, 2015, 14:51 #78353

    Chelsea were shocking in the second half. Lost six out of 11 leagues games now. They beat us though - natch. Interesting last comment Mr Badarse - it sounds like your lips are moistening at the prospect of a portugeezer-less west London - but how long will it be before you and coleslaw attempt to spin this as a reason for hanging onto our own faltering manager?

  27. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 14:35 #78352

    Sacre bleu! Is that racist mbg? How do you know OM fans are less gullible than AFC fans? I know many and I reckon they are definitely as ungullibobble as your good self. Less than ten minutes for Maureen to save his Bridge of Sighs career?

  28. mbg

    Oct 31, 2015, 14:25 #78351

    Hiccup, nice one, and as bad as Jamie was at least there were times he was coherent.

  29. mbg

    Oct 31, 2015, 14:14 #78350

    Cornish, there were enough thoughts spared for that waster mate, and he's still on the gravy train, I wonder if this latest comeback is been spun to the Marseille fans like he's a new signing (and believed)I would doubt it, those fans aren't as Gullible as some of ours, and they or their manager will certainly not adopt him and keep paying him for doing fook all for another six years, or maybe our gullible fans and their messiah are still doing it. That would surprise nobody.

  30. mbg

    Oct 31, 2015, 13:52 #78349

    Somebody must read them as they keep using their sayings and quips, I wonder who that could be. You couldn't make it up.

  31. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 13:42 #78348

    I dedicate the following to mbg. As there are no minefields nearby-true there is a German farmer in the district who often stands threateningly in lederhosen, hands on hips insisting, 'This ist mein field!'-I decided to crawl across my kitchen floor. I raided the Boots counter but it was sold out-that's jeff and mbg's doing, so opted to blacken my face with a jj scowl instead. Inching across the tiles I discovered a lentil, alas it was split as expected. Passing the washing machine on my left I realised the clothing had once more been hung out to dry by the coaching staff. I gave a wry smile, then a wheat grimace, followed by a corn frown, but demanded a barley grin in reply, it aided me not. A barley twist is OK when you want to dance, or if discussing a myth-no hang on, that's a chair legend. I was alone if you don't count the cat-and we all know the cat can't count-'Nine lives my foot!', I said, but the foot wasn't listening. I slithered up the far unit, thinking, 'Good no one had seen me yet', but Mrs Higgins in her garden had spotted me, she could see me clearly as there was nothing between her and myself-I'd taken offence recently. Our eyes met, then in recognition of my plight, she jumped down, turned around, and picked a bale of cotton. Leaving the No Man's Land of my kitchen, I took a hold of the dish cloth then decided ne'er cast a clout or I may go out, threw it over my shoulder, and did.

  32. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 31, 2015, 13:14 #78347

    Seeing as the Muguiresbridge loves an acronym, Badarse, maybe he can tell us his secret in his favoured form of writing. But then again, bollocks is bollocks whichever way he writes it.

  33. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 12:00 #78346

    See guys, mbg has the answers to the injury crisis-it's the training regime. Sadly for us he refuses to disclose where Arsene and the coaching team are going wrong, and what needs to happen to put things right. They are in deep distress knowing that they are failing, that there is a solution, but that mbg-the Moany Lisa of the site-will not give up his secret easily.

  34. mbg

    Oct 31, 2015, 11:44 #78345

    A nice retort from Raymond Verheijen to TKOTB, why is wenger referring to his physios and doctors? (I think we all know the answer to that one Ray)they are not responsible for injuries, they only repair the damage done by the coaches. Football coaches are responsible for injuries by planning wrong exercises, on wrong day in wrong sequences and with wrong work to rest ratio. Quite right and very simple really, (but not as far as TKOTB and his worshipers are concerned) We're still waiting for a come back on that from TOF but suspect we'll be waiting some time.

  35. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 11:13 #78344

    Yes Hiccup the injury crisis in my kitchen is upon me. It began last night when I sat with my nuts on my knees,(sorry to sound as if I am competing Bard), I sat there grazing upon them. Just now I broke an egg for Charlie's omelette, then noticed his plate had a fracture in it too. I strained my tea-my third strain in as many hours. Thought all would be alright then as it comes in threes, doesn't it? Except 'fours', of course. Then I found myself cutting his toast, quite a deep cut as it was thick bread; I put Flora on it which definitely is the best thing next to sliced bread. I realised this nightmare was ongoing because I went and chipped a couple of potatoes, and even the fish was battered, for his dinner tonight. I ate a pear just now and guess what? It was bruised. My kitchen is now a 'no go' zone.

  36. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2015, 9:34 #78343

    Arsenal are 3/4 to win and 6/5 NOT to win at Swansea. Need to take any chances that come our way. Bayern Munich only drew 0-0 last night but have an extra 24 hours recovery time & they didn't have to play a COC game midweek. Injuries - can't understand why PL teams get so many. Swansea have a full squad to pick from, perhaps the water is healthier in Wales?

  37. Hiccup

    Oct 31, 2015, 8:13 #78342

    Since Jamie's been sectioned, I feel the AKB's have a similar injury crisis to arsenal. No one has yet been able to step up to the plate and replicate his insightful thought process. Baddie is running around with double the workload to compensate, but unfortunately all we are getting is double the garbage. Does anyone know of Jamie's release date?

  38. Badarse

    Oct 31, 2015, 8:00 #78341

    David Mitchell: Hello. You are a YETI, but it's said you can solve Arsenal's problems with injured players and their manager, is this true?-YETI: Yush.-DM: Right, so what is the solution for the injured players, what would you do?-YETI: Eatsh 'em!-DM: Eat them?-YETI: Yush!-DM: OK so you eatsh, er eat them. What about the manager?-YETI: We shendsh 'im to France.-DM: Er, OK, so then Arsenal get a new manager and new players, correct?-YETI: Yush!-DM: But what happens if the players don't perform well enough, what do you do then?-YETI: We eatsh 'em!-DM: What all of them?-YETI: Not their bootsh!-DM: Right and what do you do with the new manager?-YETI: We sendsh 'im to France!-DM: But he may not come from France, it may be Spain or Germany, perhaps he may be English. What do you do if he doesn't want to go to France?-YETI: We eatsh 'im!

  39. A Cornish Gooner

    Oct 31, 2015, 1:43 #78340

    Spare a thought. News today. "Abu Diaby returns to first team training with Marseille. Diaby has recovered from a previous injury set-back and trained with the first team this morning for the first time in two weeks.However, according to our colleagues at RMC, Abou Diaby will not be part of first team action until at the earliest the 22nd November" (no year given) "According to a source close to the player, Diaby is fit enough to play this weekend, but OM do not want to take any risks at all"

  40. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 31, 2015, 1:42 #78339

    Interesting that you've suddenly started using the term 'thread' Badarse. Now where did you get that from? Sometimes, when you've been exposed, it's best to go quiet for a bit. Maybe learn how to type in a different web address? Just for a bit of course, you'll be needed back here on world changing business.

  41. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 22:53 #78338

    No meltdowns Hiccup, never a meltdown but the word melts for many is apt. Some unable to follow a thread. Having spent ages posting with Ron, westlower and goonercolesyboy the dormice and Ratty awaken, sniff the air, a couple sniff the eau de cologne, and come in just as the lights are coming up. Hats and coats at the ready the twilight gang begin their mantra. The conversations are disconnected and it is all too boring. Does anyone read the posts preceding their entry to the thread? Bard I owe you an explanation as it passed over your head. The 'let's get rid' was taken to the nth degree on my part because I linked in all the other suggestions, which would have appeared thus had they all been followed. We'd get rid of everyone virtually. The discussion which you and others clearly missed arrived at no conclusion-how could there be, nobody knows the reason, except mbg who isn't letting on. Anyway am grinning all over my face Hiccup, but it's only wind. Goodnight and may mbg's god go with you.

  42. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 21:11 #78337

    Just seen a clip of TKOTB and his merry men at training today (looking great without a hair out of place no doubt the barber and make up artist were just out of shot) playing rugby they even had a rugby ball(i'm sure TKOTB is an expert on that too) laughing having great crack without a care in the world, god help the little dwarfs if they had to play a real mans game and got whacked, they'd never be heard tell of again, they'd have been better off concentrating on putting that embarrassment on Tuesday right rather than larking around looking good for the cameras. But no doubt that was already sorted and had been worked on with lessons learned, and if you believe that you'll believe anything.

  43. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 19:54 #78336

    jj, nice one, but what's the betting he doesn't see it that way ? He seemed to be an expert on farming last night (maybe one of his many in laws owned/owns a farm as well) so maybe he could sort his messiah out with extra milk it'd solve the calcium problem.

  44. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 19:36 #78335

    Exeter, thanks, the fact it's already been well covered even though he's still asking questions and looking for answers will probably just go straight over his head again.

  45. Hiccup

    Oct 30, 2015, 19:18 #78334

    Funny post Ron. I'm hoping that me saying another post is funny doesn't cause more distress to Baddie? Apologies in advance everybody, if this leads to another baddie meltdown. Fingers crossed...

  46. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 19:18 #78333

    ArseneKnewBest, Oh they've warmed up alright hence the sprained wrists in the first place. Exeter, there you are again he has to seem to be right, even though he never is.

  47. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 19:01 #78332

    jw, OGL is certainly the king of talking Bollocks alright (TKOTB) and I doubt the questions you ask will be answered as TKOTB doesn't know himself but as we know it's always a good way to defer blame and a perfect excuse for him and his followere.

  48. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 18:51 #78331

    Bard, it's only a matter of time, we all know it, it wouldn't have taken very much to set the old dinosaur off today but the journo bottled it. It will of course be sad for our great club again, and the proper fans who want change, but not for others like I've already said deserve him, but of course it will be great to see the old fraud in melt down (with his usual lip trembling excuses for failure)just like the chocolate river in willy wonka, very apt indeed.

  49. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 30, 2015, 18:23 #78330

    Exeter, all of your points could be valid in our injury situations, but I am not putting it down to bad luck either, otherwise our lucky Arsenal tag wouldn't hold sway! It is of course frustrating as the team is just putting together a good run and the curse strikes, and how many times does it happen to be in a specific part of the team, right side now, centre halves last season, etc etc. Muguiresbridge still can't find his tactics/training board , have a look under your moisturisers or hair gel pots, then get back with your insights.

  50. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2015, 18:13 #78329

    Good point from JW re Wenger comments about football (always in the abstract) stand out from other mannager's as the talk of someone not really part of the game. He is like a virtual composite churning out robotic phrases in a silly French accent about 'spirit' and 'mental strength.' Pretty obvious that Wenger and his players lack calcium, magnesium and of course to ability to function wholly in a contact sport. He wishes to make the game contactless (rather like ahem an offshore swag mountain) and hence when one of his pampered poodles gets a feel of another player it's time to go into hibernation. Funny how this injury thread was 'kicked off' by the attention seeking Badarse who then finds himself unable to contribute anything of worth except questioning his perceived enemies efforts. RON know what you mean about getting to Greggs without a warm up Off to hibernate again and praise to all you WOBS for fighting the true fight.

  51. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:58 #78327

    goonercolesyboy, this has all been covered. It's just a fact AFC have the worst injury record - look it up. It's not 'beating over the head' to point that out. Therefore it is not unreasonable to deduce there is a specific issue at AFC i.e. something beyond the injuries that all clubs of course get. That what some are failing to acknowledge or recognise. The real debate is what those specific AFC issues are. I think smallest, lightest squad on average is one factor. Possession based football inviting more tackles could be another. Again, it is not 'beating the club over the head' to air this. Denying or refusing to acknowledge or putting down to 'bad luck' that AFC have a long term trend of a worse injury record than everyone else is a surefire way of guaranteeing that trend will continue.

  52. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:57 #78326

    Bardarse, no need to think about it, i'd get you in, your an expert in everything.

  53. Bard

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:57 #78325

    Baddie sharpen up mate, we are talking about injuries, yes would include Per in the clear out but not for injuries. Dont know where you got Ozil from. He's only had one injury. I think its a bit too complex for you Baddie; take a break and rejoin when the weather warms up. Colseyboysetc. I am not beating the club up because of the injuries or the medical team. I know nothing about it. But what I do know is that its not good business to be paying £100th+ a week for someone who misses half the season and secondly if you have more than the odd crock you will never win anything. Every club has injuries I get that, I know I am repeating myself but we have too many crocks and we will be found out once again this season. I said in the summer on here we should have got rid of Gibbs, Wilshere, Wally at the very least. Its not difficult to track whether a player is injury prone or not. Andy Carroll, Sturridge come to mind, its not rocket science. The problem is that Wenger is wedded to them ( Diaby, Jack, Rosicky )and treats the club like his own social club.

  54. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:52 #78324

    'Right, squeeze in. Mind the squashed chippie bag in the corner Bard. Now then where was I...'-"In the phone box Exeter, Whoooo Doctor!, ha ha." 'Stoppit mbg! As I was saying we have a problem with injuries so we have to deal with the problem sensibly. Be careful of pressing Button B, CT Gooner. Right as bathchair person this is how you approach things properly; Arsenal have problems, do we agree?' "I do", "and I do", "and me", "me too", "Right on!", 'Just say yes AKBest. Anyway we agree, so let me tick my meeting agenda sheet. Done! Er, right we agree it's not modern football don't we? Pay attention mbg. Can we see hands please. Only one Cornish. OK, so that needs ticking, done! Now it's not...wake up jeff please. Where was I?' "In the phone box Exeter, Whoooo, Doctor! ha ha". 'Please try to concentrate mbg, and put that moisturiser away. So we agree it's not bad luck don't we?' "Eh?" 'It's not bad luck jeff, is it?' "Er, no definitely not, send him back to France!" 'Ok, tick that one. So we have agreed that too. OK now we have established that let's begin.' "I thought we began ten minutes ago." 'No Bard, we do things my way and we shall begin when I say so.' "My mum says I've got to go home for tea." 'Not until I say 'meeting adjourned'. "Well say it so that we can go home, it stinks of urine in here!" "Sorry Bard that's me, I just had a wee." 'OK, Meeting adjourned.' RING-RING-WHICH EMERGENCY SERVICE DO YOU REQUIRE? 'Hang up mbg, put the phone down now! Quick lads scarper!'

  55. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:46 #78323

    Peter Wain, yes, and still they bough to him, as has been said on here numerous times before, they deserve him.

  56. Ron

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:40 #78322

    Swansea 1 Arsenal 1 - Shelvey for Swans. Sanchez for Arsenal. The All Blacks to beat the Aussies. Im off and looking fwd to an active week end .......ughh, ouch, f---ing hell, ....ohhh sod it. .....ooh, .... tripped on the extension lead to the spare printer and bad knee impact as i went down ..... f--k. Thats me out till Xmas. Medic, medic ......get here now! I knew i shdt have walked to Greggs at lunch time. Two short sprints and im done for. Ive been over played. The journey back from the corner shop last night was a grueller though. .....i cd be just tired though. Have a great week end lads.

  57. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 30, 2015, 17:26 #78319

    Exeter, I am not sure who has said that there isn't an injury problem at Arsenal, but other clubs too have had their share and still do. So the debate is or has been open for a few hours now as to why, yet again there has been no come back from Muguiresbridge about training methods that he appears to be an expert in and Bard wants us to buy less injury prone players. Some might argue about the British injury angle across many clubs, and I put my view about that yesterday. But to continually beat the club over the head about injuries is slightly unfair as we are not alone.

  58. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 30, 2015, 16:59 #78318

    Badarse, may I suggest you may not be the most objective judge of my critique of yourself? Perhaps we should leave it to others to decide if the theory fit the facts, at least.

  59. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 16:24 #78316

    No Exeter, you are in err once again. Goodness me this is a recurring theme, isn't it? The topic is raised. 'Injuries'. Input from anyone as to why. 'Conclusions reached'. That is the order of things everyone has their say. Some are vacuous or plain daft, some are given credence but no absolute can be attained. I think you are perhaps a little entrenched in the 'sides' outlook. Are you any good at tennis?

  60. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 30, 2015, 16:21 #78314

    Badarse, obviously transitioning from the lightest, smallest squad in the league to one more balanced with stronger, more physically resilient players would be a gradual thing. But because you know this will not happen, you are trying, in your last two responses to Bard, to make out even raising the issue is absurd - to falsely portray it as a demand for a sudden en masse squad change. You hope to shut down the debate as it implies criticism of the manager.

  61. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 30, 2015, 16:10 #78313

    goonercolesy, the starting point for a debate is for all sides to first admit there's an AFC specific issue - that it's not just 'modern football' or 'bad luck'. Many on 'your' side can't even bring themselves to do that.

  62. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 16:08 #78312

    "Arsene Wenger direct line to bard", with thanks to CT Gooner have just added Rosicky and Danny Boy to the list. Like this Bard, just get rid, been wanting to do it for years. Just one thing who do we buy?

  63. CT Gooner

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:54 #78311

    Case in point Bard, Tomas Rosicky. He's been with us since 2006 and played 170 games, or something like 20 games a season. Considering some players get close to 50 games a season, he's played in approximately 40% of games. For all the stick Diaby gets, he played 125 games in the same period, which on average is only 5 less games per season.

  64. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:48 #78310

    After those two flurries of activity, which they undertook without thought or any kind of warm-up, badarsio and coleslaw have both suffered sprained wrists (fnarr fnarr and will be out of action for the remainder of the season...

  65. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:47 #78309

    There is nothing being said that is upsetting, Exeter, it's just if many want to question the injury situation and or the training methods then at least offer some depth to their thought process, instead of, buy players that don't get injured or just avoid the questioning by disappearing from the debate.

  66. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:42 #78308

    "Arsene Wenger direct line to Bard" OK Bard, I'm right on it. That's Jack and Jill listed, I mean Theo, just as you said in the summer. Just to endorse your sensible view and to incorporate it as an AFC transfer policy I have also listed Aaron and Kieran, (say those two together out loud); Per, Mikel and the Flaminal are also listed as you reckoned that I shouldn't have given them contracts, or got rid of them anyway. Campbell is on the list as we know he won't make it, Ozil cannot 'man up' enough to survive so he is on the list too. Where do we go from here as Debuchy looks a bit past it? Kos is a coward and we don't want his sort around here. I am desperately lost now Bard, what should I do? If in doubt have a quick dicky bird in the shell likes of mbg and jeff I believe they have all the answers.

  67. Bard

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:40 #78307

    colseyboysetc; its disingenuous to say that all teams have players injured of course they do. Can you name any of the past Arsenal sides that have the same number of chronically injured as we have under Wenger in the last 5-7 years, Or any of the top 4 for that matter. You cant argue that this is all normal because it isnt. Selling players is part and parcel of the game. There is no point in having players in the squad who dont play more than a half the games. Its a results business not a social club. In my view Liverpool are doing the same with Sturridge. We have the misfortune to have several of them. Its been our downfall for several seasons and it needs to change

  68. jeff wright

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:37 #78306

    Wenger himself can't come up with the reasons why we suffer so many injuries ... He has tried to do so but, as with so many other aspects of his ageing management ( yawn) failed to do it. He did however own up to over-using young Jack and that this contributed to the player's injury problems that more than likely will bring his career to a premature end. Good old Arsene .His loyalty to his wife and daughter and to young players under his command are a shining example of propriety and a lesson to other managers . I have still seen no logical explanation put forward by any of his usual AKB suspects to explain if it really is a level playing field regarding training methods and medical regimes why it is that our injuries are always more numerous than other clubs and why so many wrong diagnoses' are made by our medical team going back for donkey's years. Wenger's coaching and training methods are obviously outdated because he is still doing what he did 20 years ago! Now come on please it's hardly rocket science to work out that out. He made yet more nonsensical comments after the Sheffield drubbing about Championship sides now being stronger and you can't put out the kids against them any more in the LC. For starters it should be pointed out that you never COULD put the kids out in the league cup anyway if you wanted to win it! That's why Wenger lost to Mourinho in a final in Cardiff BY leaving top players such as RVP and Gallas out to play Senderos aka Swiss -Tony up against Drogba and Ts hcnerF slesu eht AliaAliwotshisname that no one can spell up front against John Terry and co. The more I see and hear Wenger the more I know that he is indeed the lord mayor of toy town and talks more bollocks than any other manager in the game. I'm still waiting to learn why if Wenger knew that the youth players were not up to playing against The Owls why it was that he played them. Then again there probably is no reason other than Wenger using that for an excuse when we lost in such an embarrassing way that in reality was solely down to his poor management skills. He laps up the praise when he wins ,so he has to accept responsibility when things go wrong as well - instead of as usual blaming others.

  69. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:30 #78305

    It seems airing the fact that Arsenal are consistently, season after season, at the top of the injury league table is upsetting a few individuals. So we get obfuscation ('other teams get injuries too') and ridiculous challenges ('how would you set up a training session', 'which players have never been injured'). Why the fear and anger at looking at this truth? Surely - if everyone has AFC's best interests at heart and not the reputation of certain individuals - we would like this faced up to and something done rather than denying there is a specific issue at AFC when there so patently must be?

  70. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:21 #78303

    I have some sympathy for Serge Gnabry. Imagine being farmed out by OGL to the equally inept Poolis. I'd be champing at the bit to get back to Arsenal to show Poolis that he knows fook all about football, and equally to prove to OGL that he was putting pearl before swine by sending him to baggiesburg. You can only imagine what it's doing to this promising player's confidence. No reason why he couldn't come back with a vengeance,like FC.

  71. Bard

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:17 #78301

    Hi Ron i accept its relative in terms of a meltdown but Im not as convinced that 4th is nailed on. It looks like we might have the europa cup thurs night to deal with and an ever increasing injury list. If Sanchez gets knackered we are in big trouble. None of this is much of a surprise. I was banging on about this in the summer. We should have sold Wally and Jack for starters and used the money to buy less injury prone players. I dont know how many years of unjury crises we have to have before people stop saying its bad luck. Anyway thats all water under the bridge. Lets hope the coming week throws up a few surprises.

  72. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 30, 2015, 15:11 #78300

    Muguiresbridge, how about you take some of Badarse's advice and put your hairdryer down as it obviously makes you deaf, stop playing with yourself as that obviously makes you blind and give us the old worn out training methods currently used, apparently, and give us all an insight to how you would set up a weeks worth of training sessions to improve the team, and notice I didn't say our team, as that isn't relevant to you anymore. Bard I gave you some so if you think it's cobblers then that's your prerogative but at least reply with a but more than, just buy players that aren't. Who in the history of the game has never been injured who we should or could have bought?

  73. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2015, 14:31 #78298

    @Badarse, It appears the journalist who stated that Gnabry was returning to AFC got it wrong, as Wenger has said that he's on loan at WBA for the season. He went on to say that it's up to the player to change Pulis's opinion of him. The options that leaves is play Caz wide with Flamini replacing him in midfield, Campbell or Iwobi out wide, Gibbs or Bellerin playing further upfield with Monreal and/or Debuchy at FB. I fancy it's gonna be a long week? Man U also lost 3 players to injury in the COC. One competition too many?

  74. Bard

    Oct 30, 2015, 14:28 #78297

    Baddie:end of discussion for you maybe. Answer some players are more injury prone than others. Get rid of them and buy players who arent. Dont keep flogging a dead horse.

  75. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 30, 2015, 14:06 #78296

    WABATTD - Some good points there. 80/81 was arguably the last season that objective observers would say that the spuds had a better team than us. Nevertheless, I don't think it was all doom and gloom. Highbury wasn't always full in that early 80's period, but it was rocking with real fans and was full of atmospheric menace. I loved it back then, and things only got better as the decade wore on (as we all know). Don Howe probably didn't have masses of money back then compared to manure and the bin-dipperz but the team was properly coached and genuinely fought for results. Difficult to quantify but to this quintagenarian (is that even a real word?) they were much easier to support and admire then than today's cohort. A win this weekend will be handy, not least because I'll spontaneously combust if some lazy BBC journalist suggests that Swansea "out-Arsenal'ed" Arsenal in their "expert" analysis of the game.

  76. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 14:02 #78295

    TOF then mumbles on accusing Raymond Verheijen of being a know it all and an expert, pot kettle, I was just waiting for the old I have managed 1,000 plus games and made 50,000 substitutions (yawn) comment to be brought up, I guess one more good searching/accusing question from the journo would have done the trick.

  77. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2015, 14:01 #78293

    @WeAreBuilding, The 60's was devoid of trophies but boy did we see some exciting games. Our attack could score for fun but we couldn't defend if our lives depended on it. If we had an attack of McLeod, Strong, Baker, Eastham, Armstrong (Skirton). In 62/63 we scored two more goals than Champions Everton & in 63/64 only two less than Champions Liverpool. @Bard, Do we call you 'Big Boy' from here on in? Are they balanced? Do they dangle well? Are they in proportion to the rest of your body? Does Helen adore them?

  78. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 30, 2015, 13:41 #78291

    Westlower; yes, from about Aug 1980 to Don Howe's departure Spring '86 were pretty depressing. Mind you there are similarities between some of those seasons and AW's time at the helm too; knowing the team was good enough to get top 6 but nowhere near good enough to win the league. 81/82 began with us really struggling for goals and the week after getting beat at Swansea we inexplicably lost two late goals at Notts County (another promoted side) to get beat there too. As a 14-year old then I was in despair. Then came six straight wins most of them 1-0. Mind you for me, the most meaningless season of the lot was 1982/83; mid table, ordinary football livened up only by the two cup runs; whilst the glamour boys up the Seven Sisters were (probably fairly) getting all the attention. How on earth did we let the board get away with it all that time.

  79. Ron

    Oct 30, 2015, 13:21 #78289

    Hi Bard - I wondered about whether its going to be an earlier implosion than usual, though in truth the Club never does really melt down does it?. They ll get top 4 as not to do so in that PL now must surely be nigh impossible for Arsenal? Top 4 is all that's wanted. Bailing out of the CL at this stage marks a deeper failure than the norm of course. I accept that. For those of us who want the present never ending cycle of tedium to end,a melt down proper is what's needed really. I cant see the Club winning 3 FACs on the bounce. The odds are stacked against that, theyre out of the Cap 1 Cup and as good as out of the CL. Lose to Munich and Wenger needs to win the title doesn't he. Can he? As things stand at the top of the PL , it possible. Man City are light years better than Arsenal and Man U on a good day but cant ever be relied on. AFC mentality is always as brittle as balsa wood though. I cant see much more than a Man City title win. I can see Chelsea still getting top 4 though, so the top end of the table this season could still have some interest hopefully come Feb/ March time.

  80. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 13:17 #78287

    Ace bit of reductionism Bard. OK, so what are the reasons? Don't know! End of discussion. That has to be 'Luddite Post of the Day'. On the subject of posts, mgb, what is Arsene Wenger and his coaching staff doing wrong, what would you implement as a new training regime and what are your plans to do so. Too many questions? Have a lie down, breath deeply, forget mascara, lip gloss and face packs, have a think then get back to us.

  81. Bard

    Oct 30, 2015, 13:16 #78286

    Whats the difference then between Arsenal and the others re fitness then Colseyboysetc ? If they are doing moreorless the same thing what makes the difference ? I wait with baited breath. As for cobblers, mine would make your eyes water mate.

  82. Peter Wain

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:58 #78284

    so there we have it no new blood in January despite the usual injury crisis. I suppose with all the players returning then (walcott and the ox included)we will get the usual it is like having new players anyway quote. Interesting what Pulis thinks of Gnabry.

  83. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:42 #78283

    Bard, spot on, I never read ( skimmed over) so many AKB jack of all trades, masters of none in my life. You couldn't make it up.

  84. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:38 #78282

    Come on Muguiresbridge please enlighten us all with the out of date training methods that you seem to know so much about. Share with us so we can discuss them. Cobblers eh Bard....you'll find those between your legs.

  85. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:35 #78281

    @WeAreBuilding, One of my mates made it to a good grade in football having a spell at Norwich under Ron Saunders. He had to mark Raphael Meade on one occasion and he said he couldn't get anywhere near him such was Meade's pace. It's all relative isn't it? Much confess I don't remember Hayes scoring for Swansea. They were bleak times all round weren't they?

  86. mbg

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:26 #78279

    When questioned on our injuries the old fraud quips he trusts his medical staff and doctors impeccably, nothing like shoving it onto them eh wenger (your good at that)no mention at all of the cause, like your own inferior and out of date training methods. wenger out.

  87. Bard

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:24 #78278

    Interesting challenge this weekend especially as Swansea gave us the runaround last season. It could be the beginning of the meltdown, it usually is when we start getting injuries. The previous debates about injuries were a load of cobblers. The issue isnt the new fitness regimes these days or the pitches, the issue is why we consistently get more long term injuries than any of the other big teams. Looking forward to seeing Gibbs on the wing, he couldnt be any worse than he currently is at full back.Onwards and upwards

  88. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 30, 2015, 12:14 #78277

    Westlower; that crowd of just under 30,000 was a good one compared to some others that season. I remember Don Howe tried some new formation that day, it obviously didn't work and can't remember it was ever tried again. Anyone remember Martin Hayes scoring for Swansea in their 1993 playoff with WBA?

  89. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2015, 11:39 #78275

    Swansea have 4 wins to Arsenal's 3 in the PL years so it's never an easy game. I'm expecting a draw with one eye on Munich & TH next week. @John Abrehart, I wouldn't back Sheffield Wed to beat Forest or get promoted. They did brilliantly on Tuesday to take a gift that was presented on a plate to them. They wont get a repeat of that 'easy' match again this season, although I must confess I know little of the Championship teams. I'd sooner back CFC to beat Liverpool at similar odds. Maureens a winner and he never lets us punters down, well sometimes, well quite often thinking about it!

  90. Ron

    Oct 30, 2015, 11:03 #78273

    Thanks Robert. I was at the defeat to the Swans at the Vetch in 81. Leighton James formerly of Burnley and Derby ran us ragged. Swans played some stunning footie that season. Curtis was a good lad as was Thompson. Its all coming back now thank you. I saw them there 4-5 times that season. Cloud 9 stuff for them. I love to see that in football. We re seeing it now with Leics who admittedly are a far larger Club of course. Hammers too. Its great and in my view its saving the PL from becoming a total bore fest. I think a scratchy draw at Swansea this week end would mark a decent result. Wenger will have damage limitation on his mind in Ger and want to avoid a real trouncing over there. It will affect the week end. The CL is now only about bowing out with a bit of dignity and a 3/4 to 0 mullering there wont look good for Wenger. Swansea will capitalise on that i think.

  91. Badarse

    Oct 30, 2015, 10:31 #78271

    Thank you Robert. In football, one of the most moving things that I ever saw was John Toshack that day at Anfield. The nobility of removing his top to reveal a Liverpool shirt beneath was a magnificent gesture. Standing erect-a great display, and a wonderful homage to a footballing icon, and friend. Three points today lads, please.

  92. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2015, 9:45 #78270

    The 81/82 season that Robert refers to were dark days indeed for Arsenal with only 29,724 at Highbury for the Swansea game. Not often that a newly promoted side does the double over AFC. Arsenal teams for the away defeat 0-2: Jennings, Devine, Sansom, Young, O'Leary, Talbot, Davis, Hollins,P Nicholas, Hawley, Sunderland. Team for the home game defeat 0-2: Wood, Hollins, Sansom, Whyte, O'Leary, Talbot, Davis, P Nicholas, Rix, Sunderland, Vaessen (Meade).

  93. Charlie George Orwell

    Oct 30, 2015, 8:52 #78265

    Tremendous stuff again Robert - love the links for those nostalgic trips. I actually remember the Red Star Belgrade game at Highbury where Vladimir Petrovic et al taught us a thing or two. I wonder if he was related to the Vladimir Petrovic who played (briefly) for us a little later?