Back With A Bang

Online Ed: Arsenal win at Swansea



Back With A Bang


Arsenal put the midweek horrorshow in Sheffield behind them quickly to leave Swansea with a nightmare on October 31st. And in the process strengthen arguments for the view of the team as credible title contenders rather than pretenders.

A long injury list meant that Joel Campbell finally made his Premier League debut for the club on the right side of attack. Strange to think that Arsenal signed the player the same summer Juan Mata joined Chelsea (reputedly because the Gunners were too focused on signing the Costa Rican).

The first half of this match lacked tempo, although both sides had genuinely excellent chances to open the scoring. A Gomis break as Mertesacker was left floundering on the halfway line was only prevented from being a goal thanks to the pace and determination of Hector Bellerin, who showed that he is made of the right stuff with some of his defending, even if he struggled to contain Montero at times. At the other end, Giroud missed a gilt-edged chance after being set up by Alexis. The only other thing of note was that Campbell worked hard to cover Bellerin. Apart from that, as a certain Jose Mourinho said earlier, “I have nothing to say”.

Fortunately the second half had more talking points, not least three Arsenal goals. Giroud created space to get a free header from a corner to put his side ahead, and then Swansea threatened, with Cech needing to pull off a fine save from Sigurdsson and Bellerin injuring himself on the post with a clearance that from Ayew, who turned out to be offside.

Arsenal weathered the storm before a remarkable goal put them in the comfort zone. I was astonished that no foul was given for Fabianski in the Swansea goal as Koscielny appeared to back into him, with also a suspicion that Giroud tugged him across the midrift. Keepers are normally protected, but not today at the Liberty. Sure Fabianksi did his Flapianski routine, but on this occasion, I thought he probably was slightly impeded. Still, you need good fortune to win sometimes, and Arsenal’s luck was in today. Hell, even Joel Campbell scored to put the icing on the cake.

It was a game of key moments, more even than the 3-0 scoreline suggests, the difference being that Arsenal took their chances. When Montero, the scourge of last season was removed, it symbolized the game was up. I watched the match on a stream and when Leon Brittan came on as a sub, the commentator informed us that he had been sold by Arsenal to West Ham as a 16 year old for £400,000. So that’s what the Academy is for.

The result was the kind of one that title winners achieve. Going away to a weaker side who fancy their chances and putting them in their place. The Gunners have lost more than once at the Liberty since the Swans’ were promoted to the top flight, and last season were beaten by them home and away. There were incidents yesterday that went their way – Mertesacker might have conceded a penalty, the aforementioned interventions by Bellerin and Cech, the second goal which killed the game – but on occasion, winning teams need the dice to roll their way. Good fortune should not be a stick to beat the team with, but it should at least be acknowledged. It’s fair to say Chelsea aren’t getting too much of that at times, but some might call that karma.

As for Arsene Wenger’s team, in spite of reservations about being two or three players short of what is required to actually win the title, the table does not lie. Equal on points with Manchester City, and none of the sides below them looking like convincing champions in the making.

Granted, we have been here before more than once since the stadium move. Is this another false dawn or will it prove to be the campaign we have been waiting for since 2004? Hope springs eternal? If you were a betting man, would your money be on Manchester City or Arsenal? I will admit that experience has made me believe that falling short is more likely than triumph, but sincerely hope I am wrong. Others have more faith, and I hope that is justified by events over the next six months. Come on you Gunners!

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  1. mbg

    Nov 03, 2015, 15:07 #78507

    jw, call them what you like mate, me personally I prefer to wait until they've earned their fancy Dan nicknames, although there are some that are very appropriate, wally a good example.

  2. Ron

    Nov 03, 2015, 9:51 #78498

    Hi Cyril - Quite agree mate. There is only one Club. I suspect it'll always be that way. Its a fact that for a City so large, there are a quite a few seriously naff Clubs in it. Too many Clubs in London in reality maybe? This perhaps has an effect on the overall fortunes of each Club too in my view.

  3. Westlower

    Nov 03, 2015, 9:27 #78495

    Further to my previous post I should have added that I'd sub Ozil, Alexis & Coq after 75 minutes regardless of the score. I also missed out Coq as a key player for both games.

  4. Westlower

    Nov 03, 2015, 8:54 #78494

    Ideally we'd name two completely different teams this week but our long injury list has scuppered that option. We'be got to gamble on some key players coping with both games, namely Cech, Koscielny, Giroud, Alexis & Ozil. We can afford to lose in Munich but not at the Emrirates on Sunday. Munich team: Cech, Debuchy, BFG, Kos, Monreal, Flamini, Coq, Ozil, Campbell, Giroud, Alexis. Emirates team: Cech, Bellerin, Gabriel, Kos, Gibbs, Coq, Cazorla, Ozil, Alexis, Giroud, Iwobi.

  5. Badarse

    Nov 03, 2015, 7:57 #78491

    AKBest, we did to death the concept of playing weak, strong, half and half, both strong, knees bend, rah, rah rah, teams. Bard is quite strident...'We do this!' Fair enough POV, but I was just informing him of other considerations as to why it might not happen his way, of course it may, but that was just my point. The 'cheap' shot wasn't nasty, Bard knows my style and our joint understanding. On cheap shots I have told you before that changing names is much cheaper, so what does that do for an exchange of posts? Of course we are not submitting our views to the board, my stress in my post was 'think in terms of reality', rather than 'I want', or 'I want us to do it this way'. This is often the confounding aspect which takes away from many exchanges on this site. As for signing players in the summer, I question your memory fella. I was a lone voice in the summer, perhaps an odd one here or there voiced similar noises, I insisted that we had a good strong squad-stronger than the previous season and we might not buy. I said I would celebrate a new arrival but am not expecting or holding my breath. Look back over last summer's archive articles and scan for Badarse. Anything else?

  6. Ozzie

    Nov 03, 2015, 4:16 #78490

    Agree with you JW, managers are only as good as their players. How good Mourinho managing a mid table club? Re past goals my favourite would have to be Kanu's 3 (particularly his third) made all the more enjoyable as it was a comeback v chel$ea and to look upon all the stunned home fan's faces was a joy to behold. Love to see a few rested for the CL and concentrate on spuds game.

  7. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 02, 2015, 23:00 #78489

    I'm sure Bard can and will speak for himself badarse, but your argument simply doesn't bear scrutiny in my view. No-one on here's putting this to a board and nor will OGW - what are you talking about? Bringing it back to some form of reality, and steering clear of fanciful metaphors, Arsene didn't buy players when he needed to - even you recognised that back in the summer. So he's reaped what he's sown (back to the metaphors), and AFC's board (a real one if you will), has to take a share of the responsibility for that. That's why they and he pay themselves all of that money (or it should be). Bard's suggested strategy seems to me to be the opposite of gung-ho. It's about expediency based on the fact that we don't have enough quality players, and the team fooked up against two mediocre teams. Exactly, the kind of self-inflicted idiocy OGL indulged in last week when he threw that game in Sheffield. So, who's being gung-ho? And you had to finish with a cheap shot didn't you, just like a pound shop colesyboy. You demean the ridiculous traditions of the AKB personality cult. Haha.

  8. Cyril

    Nov 02, 2015, 22:43 #78488

    Ron, to my mind is this: one team in London, there's only one team in luunddaan, one team in luundaan. I remember being on the bus when Spurs fans wanted to bash my face in the eighties. Not good times, but respect to the YETI .. The firm and Gary Oldman - great film!

  9. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 22:31 #78487

    Interesting Bard, despite all the toing and froing, the yes or no decisions, you have a forthright view which cannot be shaken. Bomb out of the CL, and bomb the Sours. As I said interesting, what if you had to report to, or justify your actions or decision to the bosses, or the board? Still be gung ho? Do something you and others constantly castigate him for, being gung ho and reckless in his approach? Interesting. Would you put your career on the line as readily as you suggest he might his? Interesting, or as the German said in Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In, 'Interesting...but, stupid.'

  10. jeff wright

    Nov 02, 2015, 22:25 #78486

    Bard,yes Arsene is paying the price for messing it up against the two lesser sides that we were supposed to easily beat .The win over BM will mean nothing if we don't repeat it and as I said a draw will not help things either. Poc at the spuds as managed a few results against Arsene,forewarned is forearmed.

  11. Bard

    Nov 02, 2015, 21:47 #78485

    Jeff you make an interesting point about the dilemma we face in that if we hadnt messed up so badly in our previous CL games we could let this one go without too much worry. As it is Wenger is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. The sours will take some beating in their current form, unbeaten in 9 i think. Going into that game with a side knackered from CL mid week doesnt seem like a sensible policy. The argument for a few changes is misguided, either we go there to win or we leave it, there is no point in taking half a side. Its worth keeping in mind that one more serious injury and you can wave the title challenge goodbye. The brave decision is to tank it and take the flak that goes with it and save our players for the spuds. Will he do it ? A stupid question of course he wont.

  12. jeff wright

    Nov 02, 2015, 20:31 #78484

    After 20 years in the job Arsene should not be taking punts on unproven players in big games such as Sanago against BM and others too numerous to mention,but he does or has and guess what,he is still doing so. That's why he never wins league titles or European Cups.Simple to work out really you need strength in depth and experience to win these trophies. Time for you to have another lie down and a cuppa tea Badarse, because if anyone needs a break on here it's you! Try a Kit Kat best if left in the fridge for a few hours ,or so I'm told,I prefer Tea Biscuits myself,but only in the afternoon .

  13. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 20:17 #78483

    I think we have flogged to death the dilemma managers now find themselves in with young players, jeff. If a lad needs game time it is wise to loan and wait. If they go up a level you retain, or sell at an enhanced fee, if they bomb then you may persevere or unload. More importantly what has happened to SchRonpenhauer's Kit-Kat? Is it in the box? If you do not open it then it remains inside, alive and well-unRontreed. If however you open the box do you find Michael Miles inside? Yes, or no interlude will follow. Have a break jeff.

  14. jeff wright

    Nov 02, 2015, 20:10 #78482

    Thanks for clarifying that Badarse, What's in a name,well I guess that calling yourself the normal one or the special one depends on results or the lucky one also . It is a results game after all,or should be ,once other factors such as idealism or some one knows best( yawn) are introduced that's when I reach for my remote control . I think Jenks is at his right level with the happy Hammers, it was an interesting punt that Arsene took on him, motivated by money natch,but perversely it did the player a big favour and rescued his career .Sometimes things work out like that in football,it's a funny old game.

  15. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 19:50 #78481

    Always liked Remi Garde, I wish him well. Yes jeff you can call Kos, Kos; you can also call Jenkinson, Jenks; but you cannot call Jenkinson, Jenkins, Jerkins, Gherkins, or pickled eggs.

  16. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Nov 02, 2015, 19:50 #78480

    Just now on 5 Live: "Remi Garde is a man with a strong tactical identity, in contrast to his predecessor at Aston Villa". Amy Lawrence, Well Played!

  17. John Gage

    Nov 02, 2015, 19:40 #78479

    This might strike some Arsenal fans as heresy but to be honest I wouldn't even mind a narrow defeat at Bayern as long as all our players came through without injuries. The Champions League is beyond Arsenal's resources and as Man Utd showed last season being able to focus on just the Premiership is a massive advantage.

  18. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 02, 2015, 18:23 #78478

    I could see Cech, Bellerin, Gabriel, Kos, Monreal, Arteta or Flamini, Coq, Santi, Campbell, Giroud, Ozil. Give Alexis a break, have Bfg, Debuchy or Chambers, Arteta or Flamini, Iwobi, Gibbs, Macey on the bench. Draw at the worst, hope for a draw or Zagreb win in the other game then hope to win the last two games. I agree with someone earlier who said we might have a better way of success in the CL with the counter attacking style recently on show. As Badarse said, it doesn't matter how much you earn, it is a tricky decision to have to make and not one that should hang him out to dry. Having won in the Allianz recently, that physiological positive could be more than useful.

  19. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 02, 2015, 18:18 #78477

    Westlower - think I know who I would rather have but that is also based on reputations as of now not two years hence. Will be interesting to see how he gets on. Could be an EPL Star or hiding to nothing

  20. jeff wright

    Nov 02, 2015, 18:17 #78476

    If Wenger had done his job properly he would not be facing the problems that he does with the two forthcoming killer games,but hey why let the truth stand in the way of a good story ! I go along with Badarses view that if we go a couple of goals down then the white flag will be waved,Kos ( am I allowed to call him that) will limp off as usual and it will be every-man behind the ball defending desperately on a damage limitation exercise. If things go according to plan, if Wenger ever has such a thing, then all the bells are ringing it's 6/4 the field and lots of OTT optimism and lectures on how brilliant Arsene is to endure . Worst case scenario is a draw that will drag out the agony and uncertainty for weeks.

  21. Westlower

    Nov 02, 2015, 18:06 #78475

    @Mark If Remi Garde does well at Villa in difficult circumstances he could be our next manager. There were rumours (he was one of the names the bookies were quoting odds about before AW signed his contract extension) rife when he was at Lyon that he could be heading to the Emirates.

  22. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 02, 2015, 17:38 #78474

    Story building that Pep is signing a 2 season extension so blowing out City and Chelsea and probably Manure. Now who does that leave?

  23. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 17:32 #78473

    Hi guys, I agree with the simple logic-no teasing there, honest-that the Sours game figures higher in the priorities of fans, myself included. I would actually prefer us to win the PL above the CL-it would just be nice to have at least one CL on our club's resume, beyond that it is the PL for me always. Of course what clouds the issue is to be seen to throw the game. Ron you have a view which I don't exactly share. I do agree that a mentality can be developed by suggestions, sometimes it develops automatically within the minds of players anyway; they are in a stste of flux, we concede a goal or two and they perhaps find a fall back position of, 'OK this is going away from us, so Sunday becomes the main target', it can happen insidiously, in that fashion. The fact Bayern comes first up is the killer. If the Sours game was upon us Wednesday we would go for broke and put out our best team, what was left standing would travel to Germany. It is an intriguing consideration. I kind of like this situation for mischievous reasons. It just shows the dilemma faced by the manager. Even fans cannot agree on the way to go. Imagine if you were in AW's shoes and had to make a definitive choice. You wouldn't, or shouldn't want to compromise yourself by openly telling the playing staff to throw the game, it would get out immediately, so that will not happen. Veiled nods and nudges may occur but even that I find doubtful-it would leave the manager too exposed and vulnerable. I think it is another 'no win' situation for the manager. It's why I sort of think he will rotate defenders as suggested in my earlier post so no problems there, Cech in both, so we look at the outfield men. If the game in Germany runs away from us youngsters may appear to give some respite but who really knows? Nice to think someone may just appear from the injury list, but an awkward one to anticipate.

  24. jjetplane

    Nov 02, 2015, 17:16 #78472

    Grounded by the Fog to the tune of Blinded by the Light. Guess Arsene will be waiting on matters from the Lane (just **** off there now!') with Remi the Gooner in charge whom I remember scoring a goal away on the Tyne in a bore draw. Even the beer was **** that day .... Paddy's screamer against Newcastle or when he nearly broke his ankle scoring against Man U .... Funny that 2-2 draw game with BM at Highbury was an amazing game. Which brings me to Kelly's Heroes ....

  25. Ron

    Nov 02, 2015, 17:11 #78471

    Guys - weren't Kit Kats the biggest tragedy? Size and taste went once Rowntrees went under and Nestle bought them up i thought. Brings to mind that there was nothing quite like a Kit Kat (or 6) stolen and then eaten from the College biscuit boxes that were stored in the room behind the rugby teams changing rooms of which i and 2 others were the 'monitors' thereof ha ha. Yummy. Talk about the nutters being allowed to run the asylum!!

  26. mbg

    Nov 02, 2015, 17:06 #78470

    ArseneKnewBest, the wenger coaching system/methods takes a long time to get out of their system once they leave especially the keepers, it's well seen Cech never played under him would he have been the same keeper now (and won so much)had he been bought way back, lets just hope he suddenly doesn't go the same way as all the others under OGL's expert regime.

  27. Bard

    Nov 02, 2015, 16:32 #78469

    Dont agree Ron. Its as gooneron says either or.its too risky to go for both. The spuds game is the priority.

  28. Ron

    Nov 02, 2015, 16:20 #78468

    H Baddie - no question that there will be a decent side put out in both games on paper. 'prioritizing' though includes the extent that said teams are instructed to 'put it in'. There have been many situ s down the years where we ve gone to play a team, especially away from home in a game prior to a CL tie and its been pretty clear that the team hasn't been full blooded in its commitment. In this one, the CL is up first so the question is, do they put it in v BM. I suppose the answer is that they ll have to. Not to do so will see us hammered out of sight by a BM team that will want a bit of redressing the balance this time and a tonking will make Spurs more upbeat (we all know that the NLD is their Cup Final twice per season) BM were lackadaisical in the 1st leg in my view. The team accordingly needs to be fully at it in both games doesnt it.

  29. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 15:32 #78467

    Hello Radford/kennedy-it was size, and it does matter! Thought it might be size, most men are obsessed with it, ha ha. Well much chicanery is going on in the food industry. Many items are 'jacked up' in price only to have 'half price' signs stuck to them-which then isn't really half price at all, or other promotional gimmicks emblazoned to hoodwink customers. Don't think you can blame it on the EU though, (the EU gets more 'blaming' hits than Arsene Wenger in a latest 'up the pole'. Many items are being reduced, spread from 500g to 400g, milkshake drinks from 500ml to 471ml, and so on-why even our players are being reduced! You are a biscuit man I see. This seperates us as the only choc biscuits I eat are Leibnitz plain, (German, jeff). Due to your standing Radford/kennedy, in my eyes if not the world's, I am insisting on a two minute silence in honour of the passing of your beloved Twix bar, right now on the Online Gooner. That has to be a first! So two minutes please gentlemen, for Radford/Kennedy's Twix bar.

  30. radfordkennedy

    Nov 02, 2015, 14:56 #78466

    Baddie...Ron...the problem is that in the absence of a Tunnocks Tea Cake my Twix that i happily scoff with my mid morning coffee has bloody well halved in size yet those robbers in smiths at didcot services are charging the same price,if i knew who the hell my MP was and if i could be bothered to talk to a politician id demand questions in the house...as you say it was bad enough when the wagon wheel was reduced to the size of a half crown this cannot be allowed to continue,the quicker we are out of the EU the better so we can take back sovereign rights over our confectionry

  31. Westlower

    Nov 02, 2015, 14:51 #78465

    Logic says that we'll lose in Munich & draw with the Spuds. In the past 10 years you need between 86-90 points (except 80 was enough in 10/11) to win the PL. Should we win on Sunday we're on target for 87 points, IF we continue at our present rate. Should we draw our forecast target would be reduced to 82 points (Westie algorithm). Given the strong position we find ourselves in, the PL must be the priority. Apart from beating Citeh we cannot determine their fate. Conclusion being that a win on Sunday sets us up nicely for a real tilt at the PL. Frustratingly, should we beat BM, we could win the ECL group. Should we lose we could still qualify by beating Olympiacos by 2 clear goals. Alternatively we could do a repeat of the COC & throw the Dinamo Zagreb game and get out of Europe all together. Worse case is we drop into the Ropey Cup, which then must be used to get the squaddies match fit. The Spuds are in a better position to finish in the top 4 than Maureens ankle tappers. The bookies have them both at 5/2. Oddly, CFC are 7/1 to reach top 3, with the Spuds at 10/1. Arsenal are 1/33 for top 3 & 1/66 for top 4. Fasten your seat belts as we're in for a bumpy ride this week.

  32. GoonerRon

    Nov 02, 2015, 14:49 #78464

    @ Ron / Tony - can't disagree with any of your views, good points well made. @ Badarse - certainly in defence we can freshen up ahead of the NLD but I think the injuries in midfield and up front is what's making this almost feel like an 'either or' decision for the next two games. I can't help but feel if we went for it 100% against Bayern with the only offensive options on the bench being Iwobi, possible Adelaide, the offensive players are going to be shot for the Spuds game with little prospect of rotation. Perhaps I'm over-analysing it and the players are fit enough and fresh enough (after the midweek rest last week) to produce potentially match-winning performances in both games.

  33. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 14:16 #78463

    I understand the confusion between placing emphasis on Wednesday or Sunday's game-this is a more pronounced dilemma than normal, but as I have tried to suggest recently, a situation faced constantly by the manager-by all managers. I think it will be less of an upheaval than others do. We have Per possibly starting in Germany but Gabriel as replacement Sunday-or vice versa. Debuchy may get the nod in the first game and Gibbs in the NLD. Others may come back into the reckoning before Sunday to give other options too. I reckon we may go with a reasonable side in the first and also the second, with a few tweaks. We shall see.

  34. Tony Evans

    Nov 02, 2015, 13:59 #78462

    GoonerRon / Ron - I'm firmly sat on the fence here agreeing with both of you. A title tilt does look to be on the cards (can't believe I am saying that, but results don't lie) making the game against the Spuds mega important, but if we could sneak through in the CL we may make a better fist of things this time around. If I was to push myself off the fence I would jump on the Spuds match side as the one I really want to see us win - the title is still a more realistic aim then the CL for me.

  35. Ron

    Nov 02, 2015, 13:31 #78461

    GR and Tony - good points lads. I just reckon that in context for this Season the Spurs game is far more significant. Even for us sceptics, there's the makings of a title tilt now isnt there. GRs point re confidence booster is well made but a win at the Lane vis where we are in the PL right now is as good i feel this time. The NLD is going to be on hell of a struggle this time. Theyre starting to become a good side now are Spurs and we ll need to be up for it. A loss there would counteract any boost we might have by getting a result in the Allianze i reckon?

  36. Tony Evans

    Nov 02, 2015, 13:16 #78460

    Great League run going at the moment, just wish we hadn't made such a rod for our own backs in the CL with those first two results. The Bayern game couldn't have come at a worse time with the Spuds match following, and we will have to keep everything crossed - it would be great to get to the international break top of the League with some of the injured players due to be coming back to fitness after.

  37. GoonerRon

    Nov 02, 2015, 13:08 #78459

    @ Ron / Westie - I'm struggling a bit with the Bayern game to be honest. Part of me thinks we've got a great chance of winning the league and ANYTHING that gets in the way isn't good for us. The only thing making me want to go at Bayern full throttle is the psychological boost it will give, as will qualifying out of the group (if we do) given our terrible start. I know statistically we've got little chance of winning the thing but I do honestly feel with our better defensive solidity and incisive counter-attacking we are more and more suited to the latter stages of the CL if we can get there.

  38. Barnaby

    Nov 02, 2015, 13:01 #78458

    I think if we are still close in January and we have Walcott and chamberlain back then I think we can say we are challenging for the title. Some people r saying we are challenging for the title now!! Right now west ham are aswell lololol

  39. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 12:11 #78457

    We certainly agree then AKBest, and Titi's goal against the Sours that day was unbelievable-a good choice. 'Wagon Wheels are a treat for me', (up an octave), 'Wagon Wheels are a treat for me.' Yes, Ron I remember, and I also remember them being down sized, they became bicycle wheels.

  40. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 02, 2015, 10:29 #78456

    Just looked at the goal again. Kos is back-pedalling towards the goal, but stops dead just before Flappy gets there. It could therefore be argued that he was standing stock still when Flappy jumped up and forwards for the ball and, er, missed it. The picture is slightly confused by Giroud who IS moving (for a change, some might say!) but he is not involved in the challenge. In the het of the moment one could argue that Flap was hard done by but I reckon the ref got it right. My favourite goal - not counting the really significant ones - was TH's against the Spuds at THOF in 02/03 where he picked it up in our half and went past millions of spuds-u-don't-like before slotting it past the gk who may have been casey kasem

  41. Ron

    Nov 02, 2015, 10:16 #78455

    Hi Westie - i can say mate that im taking a leaf outa yr book regarding this BM tie this week. For me they just need to get that game done, get out of it with a result of sorts, Draw or narrow loss or whatever and forget that CL now. Its been the bane of our lives for too long. Theres a few reasons now emerging just to ignore it this time. We cant win it anyway.Im sort of the opinion that even Wengers thinking this way about it this time too. COYG

  42. Ron

    Nov 02, 2015, 10:06 #78454

    Cracking good win there. Never easy. It put my 1-1 prediction in the shade im glad to say. Baddie - no mate, im remaining loyal to 'Bar 6' choc bars and Wagon Wheels ha! Can you recall them mate? Not guilty of nicking S/Ks Twix!!

  43. Westlower

    Nov 02, 2015, 8:38 #78453

    A distinct pattern is emerging this season. In every game we've scored the first goal, we've gone on to win. The only exception is the 5-2 win at Leicester when we equalised with minutes of going behind. Otherwise we've gone on to beat Newcastle, Stoke, Spurs, Man U, Watford, Bayern Munich, Everton, Swansea. The Liverpool game was 0-0. When behind we've lost to WHam, CFC, Dinamo Zagreb, Olympiacos & Sheffield Wednesday. Do the players panic in their haste to get back in the game? The team that falls behind tend to have the greater share of possession in the opponents half as they chase the game. As a consequence, leave themselves open to the counter attack. At what point does the team take risks to score a goal when behind in a game? Should they hold their nerve for longer or does it make no difference? In the light of these stats it was surprising Maureens team couldn't build on an early lead v L'pool or hold on to a 2-0 lead at home to Bradford last season. Perhaps they're not all that...

  44. Badarse

    Nov 02, 2015, 8:24 #78452

    Morning gang, on the subject of the Kos goal, I saw it as a very good goal-brave man again? Let me explain in this way of why I am so convinced. Most regard my meanderings as flights of fancy, if so they are at least Easyjet flights so should be easy to comprehend the messages contained within. With media, internet messaging and all other connections like Facebook and all these other things you know of, my grandsons understand, and that I don't, and just reject-with the exception of Online Gooner, but even then I was very late to this particular party-they propagate an acceptance. OK here is an analogy, in action films since my early childhood and Saturday morning flicks in London in the 50's, pushing a ladder loaded with enemies away from a castle wall, or the stockade of a fort is accepted. Well it is impossible. However as it is seen to be done on film people readily accept it, then it is repeated ad infinitum-it still is. If you imagine going upstairs, opening the bedroom window and taking a hold of a light alloy ladder with a 10st window cleaner on it, (or your wife's lover), you wouldn't be able to lift it off the window ledge very easily, let alone push it beyond the 90 degrees necessary for it to fall away, physics! So with the keeper situation. Lineker said they are an overprotected species and they are. They do need protection, no more Nat Lofthouse/Harry Greg goals allowed. If players leap for a ball it is open ground, even if one is a keeper. Bodily collisions are part of a body contact game, with all feet on the ground or off. Kos leapt as did Fab; the keeper chose the wrong option by trying to catch a ball out in front of himself and over the shoulder of an opponent. I knew he would spill it-it's physics again. So much mileage is made of incidents-TV demands it, controversy encouraged with a capital 'K'. Just to end on this, since the recent character assassination of Koscielny recently as 'cowardly', he has been regaled on two separate occasions by TV pundits as 'brave'. I, as a fan, see it more often, so here I am saying it once more.

  45. jimmy

    Nov 02, 2015, 7:36 #78451

    keepers are protected only when they have the ball otherwise they can be challenged when the ball is in the air. there is also no rule that say that you give way to him to grab the ball,and finally you cant foul somebody who is coming from behind as you look the other side,so koscielnys goal is perfectly legal

  46. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 23:16 #78450

    Bard, 83030, a lot think we can (and we know who they are)along with this clown of a manager and if/when it all goes tits up it'll always be someone/something else's fault, like the long tiresome journey out to Germany and back on a horse and cart, with no masseurs, personal chefs, barbers, or beauticians. Danny, the same answer to your good self.

  47. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 22:38 #78449

    jj, another good post, it's there for the taking alright and/but how many times have we said that before ?(always conveniently forgotten as it's always someone else's fault) will it be any different this time ? one things for dammed sure (as you say) there'll be no pressure on TOF either way especially from his disciples, and that's very sad indeed.

  48. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 22:03 #78448

    Favourite Arsenal goal ? (not arsene goal there is a difference) that's easy (not for some i'm sure) the one most deserved, work that one out no facts, stats, figures, if's or buts needed.

  49. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 01, 2015, 21:09 #78447

    Danny - I can be the ultimate Wenger cynic but odd timing on that one. I think Wenger was basically out financially gunned but.... He could not adapt either. Therefore we did not get one more bit of magic from him. Really he should have got one more premiership over the last 10 years. Anyway cards appear to be falling in our favour. Chelsea are out pretty obviously from the race and are now on a massive climb to hit top 4. ManU thanks to Van Gaal still don't know their best team and are ultra cautious. This may well mean that it is a 2 horse race with 2 skilfull but slightly fragile teams. For me it is Wengers best chance.

  50. Th14afc

    Nov 01, 2015, 20:55 #78446

    Fantastic 2nd half....quite an even 1st half but like someone else pointed out,it was Cech and Bellerin who made the difference in the difficult 1st half...bellerin is amazing,he has the potential to eventually be the best right back in Europe (he's obviously not there yet but he has massive potential) sadly I feel hector might b a Barcelona player within the next 3 years,I hope I'm wrong...I also hope our injury curse doesn't strike him....Alexis I felt played ok,not his best but did have some great moments...ozil is in a great moment,best time of his gunners career...thank F that giroud has got his form back in the midst of the injury crisis,Campbell really impressed me and it's the first time iv ever said that when he's worn the arsenal shirt....all in all it's a massive 3 points....now for Munich and a much harder game!

  51. Alsace

    Nov 01, 2015, 20:54 #78445

    Can't believe I'm saying this but sundry abs make sensible points about le coq and Bellerin. This was the match which always happens when Wenger is gradually forced to exclude his turkeys with promising results. Let's give Campbell a run with Giroud, as opposed to letting them back into the team. I'm really pleased that oil is coming good. January is a vital time. It would be nice if we could make two or three solid signings in January. If Wenger does it however I'll Be very surprised. Happy days.

  52. Amos

    Nov 01, 2015, 20:28 #78444

    Over the last 8 seasons we've finished 3rd as often as we've finished 4th Bard. In fact we missed our target of 4th spot last season. Was it the season before we led for 26 weeks of the season? Clearly that constitutes a challenge though ultimately unsuccessful. Much the same could be said of last season. We started disastrously in the first dozen games but gained more points than anyone else, including the champions over the next 26 games, still title challenging form though thwarted by a poor start. Nobody tries to get 4th spot - well not quite true as everyone finishing below 4th does - but 4th spot is just a consequence of trying and failing to get 3rd, 2nd or 1st spot. But even if we get 1st spot we'll have been there before.

  53. Dave

    Nov 01, 2015, 20:20 #78443

    Danny, you are a mong. "plus the better players will question him" Are you wearing your helmet? You know you aren't supposed to use the computer without wearing it. "cant wait for him to fall on his face", you are at best a keyboard muppet. I don't want to know any 'Arsenal supporter' who wants us to lose any game because it doesn't ring true with me. I have at times wanted a different manager but have NEVER wanted us to lose a game, not one, ever, under any circumstance, even in the makita international tournament, not one. But then again I am a Gooner and you, young muppet are not. I don't care if Terry Neil comes back as manager with Tony Pulis as his number two, still want us to win every game. Consider yourself slanted.

  54. Bard

    Nov 01, 2015, 20:15 #78442

    Amos; Sorry I disagree on the grounds of ambition rather than the maths. I think youre being too literal minded here. We havent challenged for a very long time even though we have had 4th spot nailed. There is a very real difference between trying to win the PL and trying to get a 4th place.

  55. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 20:11 #78441

    SKG, I hadn't connected it but as I read your post it registered. Perfect foils for each other. Joe and George, the artist and the hero. Turning and twisting the night away, all Henry James, 'The Turn of the Screw', good book. A Rye grin? All labyrinthine mbg it's amazing-he gave a maize grin? 'Jock and Jill, wen' oop the hill. Och aye the noo camp!''

  56. jeff wright

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:45 #78440

    yes funny old season mgb I thought that the chavs ( note how dear Jamie as gone missing now his real hero Jose is struggling) would find it hard to defend their title but not as hard a job as they have made of it. As for us out the LC cup again early and facing another mission impossible type task to overcome the fact that we only have 3 points on the board in our group that we are bottom of in Europe. The game on Wednesday is really all about a bit of face saving for Wenger and yet again gung-ho OTT optimism form the AKB's .It could back-fire on him though if we get stuffed . Which we will do if Wenger goes and plays like he did against Swansea in the first half . The thing about those situations is that he just sits there and prays for a bit of good fortune rather than actually getting up to try and change things. Very risky this Pep will be out for revenge and to try and put us out for the count. I go along with the view that the Champions League is beyond us anyway and the other Prem clubs as well, ,even if we beat the Germans again,lightening striking twice in the same place though comes to mind regarding that, possible,but not likely. The biggest problem for Wenger is if he loses any more key players with more tough games ahead .

  57. Amos

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:39 #78439

    You have to want to finish in the top four Bard. That's where first place is. As far as I can see there's no way of finishing in top spot without being in the top four at some point. The idea that we want to finish in the top four, but not third, second or first seems a pretty daft one - but I'm sure we've been there before too.

  58. Bard

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:31 #78438

    Amos surely the more relevant point is that we are exactly where we want to be perennial 4th place contenders. In order to go where some of us want to go you have want to go there in the first place if you get my drift.

  59. Roy

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:30 #78437

    SKG - Joe Baker just before my time I'm afraid, though like any Gooner I have seen the clips and read the books. I once worked with an older guy back in the 80's and Joe was his hero along with certain others such as Derek Tapscott and Jack Kelsey, but Joe was the one for him. He said it was a travesty that he missed the cut for Alf Ramseys World Cup squad in 66. Though I suppose his replacement, a certain Geoff Hurst, did have some kind of Impact ! I can see the comparisons with Vardy though, very direct with a hammer of a shot. Shares the distinction of being one of only 2 players ( the other being Owen Hargreaves) to make their England debut without ever having played in the English league. And yes, I looked that up some time ago after it appeared in a quiz question !

  60. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:25 #78436

    jw, good post, funny old season (aren't they all where wengers Arsenal are concerned)funny old game, even funnier when put in perspective in the cold light of day.

  61. Bard

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:06 #78435

    Smithy I agree but we do have 10+ years of experience of making a few serious mistakes. Winning the PL isnt a question of rolling the dice, its about players and managers making good decisions. Whats the point of risking all for a competition we havent a cats hell of winning this season. Of course the other argument well documented on here is that we arent much minded to try and win anything, keeping in the top 4 is the limit of our ambition. How we approach the Bayern game might well give us an idea of whether that argument had any validity.

  62. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:04 #78434

    Bard, have to agree, abort the CL, it's not important any more, we've bigger fish to fry now.

  63. Amos

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:03 #78433

    The twists and turns aren't always the same mbg, with Wenger or anyone else. Sometimes we start off the wrong way and find our way too late or lose our way nearer the finishing line. The point being that in order to reach where we would want to go then inevitably we will have been there before. 'We've been here before' always seems a daft complaint to make when you are, or at least are near, where you would want to be.

  64. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 01, 2015, 19:00 #78432

    Roy : Wrighty scored his first against Leicester, which brings me to Leicester's 3rd goal yesterday. One for the older Gooners but the ball through to Vardy could have been Eastham to Baker all those years ago - anyone else see the similarity? Vardy certainly put it away like Joe used to. I've seen Baker score several goals like that beauty, George would thread the ball between the centre backs and Joe was gone never to be caught - lovely goal.

  65. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 18:47 #78431

    Amos, I would certainly agree with you twists and turns are never the same, if only in our case that were true, but in this case (like all the others)with wenger they are, that's the point I was making.

  66. Roy

    Nov 01, 2015, 18:46 #78430

    The first goal of Wengers reign was scored by a certain Ian Wright, I was reminded. That took me back further to his first ever goal for us. He had no right to score from that position whatsoever - he even slipped over and a second later it was in the net. Great goal !

  67. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 01, 2015, 18:28 #78429

    Oh dear danny you are the ultimate jumped up little twerp, to quote Mark from Aylesbury. You just woke up the muguiresbridge from his drunken slumber. He doesn't need feeding anymore. Got to admire Jenas for saying he thought Arsenal would win the league on Match of the Day last night. That must have flown over Finsbury dough boy's head.

  68. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 18:25 #78428

    jj, yes the JM thing is hilarious and so to LVG, thank God for them, or where would we be, it always takes something doesn't it.

  69. Smithy

    Nov 01, 2015, 18:04 #78427

    Sorry I meant Bard!

  70. Danny

    Nov 01, 2015, 18:03 #78426

    Can anyone on this site realistically think that we are going to win this league with this clown in charge. Citeh have got a better squad and can switch players in all competitions Our squad is very thin with injury prone players. This clown will ride the better players to the ground. He does NOT buy quality squad players because he has already wasted the cash on crap 16 yrs old. plus the better players will question him. Also add his extremely bad tactics . I cannot wait for him to fall flat on his face against Bayern and Spurs After the Wednesday game, OGL was slanting the younger players saying they not good enough. If that was the case, why didn’t he buy better squad players in the summer. Plus the audacious to say he did not realised Wednesday were better than they are. This shows this idiot has no clue or even studies the opposition. He is a fraud and specialist in failure and needs to go

  71. Smithy

    Nov 01, 2015, 17:52 #78425

    Ref MBG none of us have a crystal ball- let's see what happens. We don't get to pick and choose our glories - it's just what the ladies fate and luck grant us.Cant we have both?

  72. Bard

    Nov 01, 2015, 17:43 #78424

    Smithy; much as I like to dream, your hopes for the week border in the ridiculous. You cant flog the same players 3 times in a week. They went down to Wales and got a good result. Then off to Germany for a mighty physical encounter with Bayern. How much possession do you seriously think we will have there. Most of the game will be spent chasing shadows for 90mins. Then fly back and a few days later another massive shift against the spuds. Wenger needs to make an assessment of where our priorities lie. The CL is dead in the water. Take the hit and move on. If it means the europey league on thurs puts the kids in and give them some experience. For once in our lives lets give the Prem a real go.

  73. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 17:39 #78423

    mbg is wandering in his garden tending the roses-he likes those in blue wrappers-but not the pansies. jj has gone all 'kebaby love'-spit the baklava out with the dummy, my little apple tea. A good idea is best goal, and did love the Bobby Pires-Schmeichel one jj, I think Pires was one of the most gifted footballers Arsenal ever had. Interesting bit of swerving and sliding going on here-too early for snow chains. If AW loses against SW it is sacrilege because he played a weaker side, but it's OK to 'throw' the CL games. I am not criticising AW in whatever the team selection is, but the inconsistency of the good/bad attitude beggars belief. Does it never register that these decisions are a constant for the manager. Some defend others criticise, then a reverse position and yes, more defence and more criticisms perhaps from opposing sides?!!?. We all have personal views but cannot the manager's decision be respected as different, not necessarily wrong? Anyway enough of this trivia, the important question is what has happened to Radford/Kennedy's Twix, have you taken it Ron? Give us a clue r/k what is the problem? Is it because you've bought into the ad that right fingers and left are made in two separate factories? Tell us it's got us all guessing. Here is a topic which I won't make into a marathon, when chocolate was in short supply during the war Kit-Kat reduced it's cocoa solids until chocolate was at best 22%, after the war and cocoa became available again the company did some slipping and sliding of their own and didn't increase the solids. It is still an inferior chocolate even today. The next bit will have jeff's hankie falling off his head, his braces twanging, his wooly socks falling down, and his Hitler moustache bristling; but German, Swiss, Belgian, Dutch and even...French chocolate is superior. Always keen to throw a dog a bone, our chocolate is light years ahead of the USA's. Whoops, 186k miles per sec-stand by for more questions about spacemen.

  74. jjetplane

    Nov 01, 2015, 17:19 #78422

    WESTIE good to see a Spud game having some import after all these years reminding of that trip made to OT many moons ago with Pires and Paddy scoring. Southampton bossing poor old Bournemouth who really are a club who can feel truly ****ed by a long term injury list. On it goes and with more dodgy money arriving next year the top 8 will be a crowded church. All without mentioning the Klopp effect but if Arsenal cannot win the league this season then Wenger really will have reversed his reputation. Silly there is never any pressure on him to deliver and this has to have had an effect on the last decade and it's long timing coming rewards in what are apps to the real McCoy. Nevermind - even Giroud is earning his blue peter badges for now. ps Lovely team goal starting with Seaman and ending with Petit against Wimbledon ... Of course Perry against Coventry in the title romp ... my memory is alive. GG and one two volleys ....

  75. Smithy

    Nov 01, 2015, 17:17 #78421

    Ref- MBG George Graham on Wednesday doing the team talk would be brilliant supported by Adams known, winterburn and Dixon. They will not pass stuff- not play your usual game and see what happens. We need the old Ali rope a dope stuff and knock out blow for pep and co with the gunners scoring in the last ten minutes! We can dream it can happen!

  76. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 17:09 #78420

    Dan h, your right there, he's certainly had an influence on the defence( regardless of his shaky start)as much as an influence as he could have on some of our defenders, he's one of these senior pros maybe he has took it upon himself to try and sort them out after all nobody else is going to do it.

  77. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 16:56 #78419

    Wenger out now, yes indeed we've been here so many times before, we've heard and been told about these new dawns so many times by the usual suspects, and so it goes on, you'd think even with the law of averages we'd have managed even one over the last ten years so they and TKOTB could have told us they were right all along, but no not even with the law of averages year after year would you bet on it with TOF in charge..

  78. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 01, 2015, 16:39 #78418

    a certain Micky Thomas effort at Anfield in1989?

  79. Paulo75

    Nov 01, 2015, 16:38 #78417

    Great result. Massive week ahead but would take 3 points next Sunday over 3 points in Munich any day. Hopefully the international break will allow some respite for the squad and we have a few extra bodies returning afterwards. Favourite Arsenal goal: Pires' lob over Schmichael at Villa Park - what a classy magician he really was.

  80. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2015, 16:09 #78416

    Nothing can be taken for granted. If our neighbours win their game in hand tomorrow v Villa & beat us on Sunday they'll only be 2 points behind us. Along with Leicester they have lost fewer games than anyone in the PL but on the other hand they could be 8 points behind if we put them to the sword...

  81. jjetplane

    Nov 01, 2015, 15:58 #78415

    I agree on Campbell who's work rate at the WC was incredible and thought he might keel over by the end of it all. If he is adding mental stamina to a good heart for the game then every match before the retentive and workshy Wally. Toffees, Scousers, Foxes adding to the fun so no excuse for Wenger to play a complacency card at any point. The PL is almost becoming interesting and looking forward to a south coast derby before we have some south coast Turkey footer. Nutty!

  82. jeff wright

    Nov 01, 2015, 15:54 #78414

    It's a results game and you can't argue against 5 wins in the league for god old Arsene - he looks to a bit of good fortune at times though and like City as well we don't really look that convincing. We have seen these calender year most points won challenges before and Wenger's been going on about most points won this year again, it's where you are in May that counts though. It was a game of two halves yesterday we were poor in the first period and looked to be carrying on from the midweek embarrassing defeat in Sheffield - the 3-0 flattered us tbh from what I saw of the game - but Monk's men did not make us pay for our dodgy defending in the first half and we got the rub of the green with the refs decisions on a couple of calls. So we are level on points with City who are staggering along like sleep walkers but we can't manage to get ahead of them and are just a couple points or better than Leicester,United and West Ham ,funny old season ,just one bad result for City and we could be top of the league or one bad one for us and we end up in 5th place. It looks like Mourinho is still in his job down to the Champions League situation if he messes up in that then it could all boil over for him. I think he knew at the end of last season that new players were needed but he failed to get them in and he can't motivate the ones that he has as he did last term. Managers are only as good as their players some of the Chelsea ones such as Fabregas and Terry look as if their legs are gone and Hazard clearly wants out .C'est la vie !

  83. Bard

    Nov 01, 2015, 15:24 #78413

    What to do about the midweek game against Bayern ? My view is that we should rest some of the main players and effectively ditch it. Why ? Because we have only the slenderest of chances of going through and we have the Spuds at the weekend and that will be a massive physical battle. The squad is paper thin at present and we cant keep flogging the same players, something has to give. Also we find ourselves in a great position because Untd and Chelsea are rubbish currently. At this moment its between us and City , all other things begin equal, we wont have a better opportunity to win the league. We need to focus on the Prem and ditch the other stuff. Colseyboysetc I also see something in Campbell. He's quick, he puts in a shift and his control is terrific. He needs confidence and belief. Is he really that much worse an option than Wally ? A run of games might be just what he needs.

  84. 1971 Gooner

    Nov 01, 2015, 14:54 #78412

    I'm optimistic about a sustained title challenge this season; not because we are necessarily better than last season, but because it is realistically a three horse race with Chelsea out of it already. Hector Bellerin is fast becoming my favourite Arsenal right back ever, and I've seen a few come and go since Pat Rice on that glorious sunny day in May 1971. Skill, pace, courage and never gives up. Let's hope his Barcelona DNA is less of a factor than the current Chelsea number four.

  85. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 01, 2015, 14:47 #78411

    Good win yesterday. Meanwhile I see Everton's diving Frenchman up to his usual tricks again this afternoon

  86. Amos

    Nov 01, 2015, 14:46 #78410

    I'd have to agree mbg. So many forget that in order to get where we want to go we have no option other than to travel much the same path we've travelled many times before. The twists and turns aren't always in quite the same places though.

  87. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 01, 2015, 14:14 #78409

    Campbell played his part in the win at the Lane and previously looked ok when coming on, no one looked good on Tuesday and has been away on loan so not had the chances to show his worth. Nice of muguiresbridge to get out of his drunken pit and add his always positive take on any win, not that he cares anymore. Still waiting for the coaching masterclass from his Irish perspective.

  88. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 14:02 #78408

    Smithy, is George Graham coming back for one game.

  89. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 13:50 #78407

    Yes indeed Kev we've all been here before, so many remember, so many forget(conveniently) or just don't want to remember.

  90. mbg

    Nov 01, 2015, 13:40 #78406

    Back with a bang, isn't that always the way with TKOTB, well done the team and the senior pro/pros who took things in to their own hands again, a good display, who made sure we weren't going to be embarrassed again, and helped make up for Tuesday nights shambles although thanks has to go to the mighty Swans also for their woeful defending at least we didn't follow suit this time which makes a change, although the keeper that fell into TOF's lap was needed on several occasions so thankfully that happened or things certainly wouldn't have been as rosey in the garden as they seem now.

  91. jjetplane

    Nov 01, 2015, 13:31 #78405

    Too many great goals but Kanu's third at the Bridge, his combined goal at Middlesboro with a very happy Dixon and Pires with the muddy chip at Villa. I was at all of them too! Kanu was pore heaven and special mention for all those combo goals orchestrated by Bobby and featuring Freddie, Sylvain and the usual suspects. Bellerin is exploding like Ashley onto the scene reminding me of when I first saw Cole at Palace and you knew he would rise to the top. Arsenal could win the league though City never know when they are beaten. of course, it may end up being the Vardy season .... The JM thing is hilarious and if LVG follows him to the funny house most importantly it will be a kick in the teeth for Brand PL and adds to the bemusement. Well done for beating Swansea though Monk too appears on shaky grounds presently and having a Martinez moment. How old is Ranieri anyway? Chelski were highly watchable when he was in charge. Looking for Roman images now on the net which I find much more amusing than JM's pain who looks like he never left that car park in Madrid. 9th tier shaping up nicely at the moment .... love the ****!

  92. Nick

    Nov 01, 2015, 13:17 #78404

    Well done Joel Campbell, I thought he was mustard for Costa Rica in the WC , and was going to be a real asset, he struggled since though, against Sheff Wed, I didn't think he was a poor as made out by some, he at least TRIED, he worked hard but his touch was off and he was surrounded by youngsters out of their depth and senior players who obviously didn't give a stuff for the game,lets see how he develops given a run in the side, good win yesterday I was nervous about this game as the swans seem to be a bit of a bogey side for us, so well happy with three goals and three points. Bellerien is superb right now , I would like to see him play right midfield at some point as I think his speed and obvious skill could see him become something akin to Bale, he would also have the pace and desire to track back to help either Debuchy or Chambers, the former is a good rb but he needs games to get his form back. Personally id throw the CL this year our squad with the injuries is too thin to win it this term, and the Europa league is a distraction too far, get a reasonable result vs Bayern by that I mean a draw or a narrow defeat to avoid confidence being destroyed then play the kids in the remaining fixtures, so as to concentrate on the title and the defence of the FA Cup, if we do that maybe this WILL be our year, the match against the scum this coming Sunday for me is more important than the CL game a reverse against them would shatter our momentum even a draw would be a setback , if you told me wed lose to Bayern by a nap hand but beat the scum by a similar score id bite your hand off , COME ON YOU GUNNERS

  93. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 01, 2015, 13:13 #78403

    Coleslaw - I see your selective memory is still in tact. Campbell's had TWO games recently. I'm surprised you don't remember that little match against the Owls, ooh it was only 5 days ago, when he and Giroud were terrible. So it's only 50 rather than 100% success. Nevertheless, the tracking back episode (which Wally also did against manure) needs to be sustained. That is a basic requirement for players of that standard, not an added luxury. League-wise, we''re evidently in good shape. But in much the same way s OGL threw the C one C does he also need to concede the CL (and make sure we finish fourth?

  94. Amos

    Nov 01, 2015, 13:01 #78402

    If we're to rely solely on Graham Hunter's view of the Mata transfer John F., then I would have thought that would more accurately be described as reportedly rather than reputedly. Certainly the suggestion that we might well have signed Mata were it not for a diary clash doesn't seem the most reputable to me. Especially as Mata himself has said Torres at the time was instrumental in choosing Chelsea. At the same time there are instances enough of Arsenal being able to sign more than one player on the same day for the idea that signing Campbell prevented us from signing Mata to be a strange thought to have.

  95. Website Editor

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:49 #78400

    Would you believe that the next issue of The Gooner (on sale next Sunday v Spurs) has 'My Favourite Arsenal Goal' as the special feature? Strange...

  96. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:42 #78399

    I'm surprised mbg & jj haven't posted yet telling us about their favourite Arsenal goal. @John F, Great choice, both my heart & head exploded when Sunderland buried that goal. Also landed me a 40/1 bet, red letter day! @R/K What's the issue with Twix? Quality, size, price???

  97. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:35 #78398

    You're a winner Kevin, am off to ferry my grandson now, ah, the trials and tribulations of all the tenuous threads of being footie lovers!

  98. radfordkennedy

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:30 #78397

    A good banana-skin avoided yesterday and if there was ever a time to knick the title its this season.Theres obviously something wrong in the dressing rooms at both Utd and Chelsea and City are not toatally convincing,someone at Chelsea is going to have to remove JM from the frontline his behaviour is becoming stranger by the day,other teams are taking it in turns to foul his players on the half way line,everyone can see roughing chelsea up is the way to go,and he would appear to have placed to much faith in a squad which is either not as good as he thought or have no faith in him...anyway well done Arsenal keep it going ....Badarse please can you add to your list of questions one which is causing me much consternation its not about the de-stabilising effect of mass migration nor has it to do with the polar ice caps nor indeed the impending repeat of the crash of the sub prime markets in America,no its more important than any of those...can someone please tell me what in the thundering blazes has happened to Twix's

  99. Dan h

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:11 #78396

    Very solid performance all round.Cech gives the back four confidence and continues to show the difference having a top GK brings to the teams belief,the GK's calmness on the Gomis chance giving the excellent Bellerin time to get back to clear the danger.Ozil looks to be in the groove and we will always create a chance or two in tight games.Titles are won on a solid defensive unit my point.Joel Campbell did well playing in a team with far more quality and more tellingly desire than was put out Tuesday.One game at a time but no reason why we shouldn't be in the title mix.

  100. Website Editor

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:10 #78395

    Badarse - Re: 'Goof Fortune'. Apologies. I had to rush out this morning to ferry my lad to his Sunday morning match and did not have time to do the usual check. Now corrected.

  101. John F

    Nov 01, 2015, 12:06 #78394

    Westie mine has to be Alan Sunderland v Man Utd 79 cup final never have I felt such despair and joy in a space of a few minutes.As for strength in depth my worry is lecoq getting suspended or injured who have we got to do his job.All the players you have mentioned are attacking players,its the defensive cover that worries me..

  102. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:59 #78393

    I read Arseblog on a daily basis but don't contribute like I do on here. To continue your question theme, Badarse, if Arsenal continued to win, what would happen to this site's perspective? Is the negative mantra a way of creating debate? Would Muguiresbridge stop shaving, use deodorant and use hair gel? Giroud scored the 2000th goal in the manager's tenure so congratulations to him for staying strong when the clamour for another centre forward went viral in the transfer window. Big big test in the Allianz on Wednesday, although the Olympiacos result will be just as important too as to our fate in the ECL.

  103. Torbay gooner

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:51 #78392

    Good to get some revenge on a team that did the double over us last season. We rode our luck hard at times, but a great result in the end is all that really counts. Bellerin continues to impress, I doubt that I have seen any Arsenal players quicker than him, although Overmars might have given him a decent race. Sorry Westlower, but strength in depth only really counts if those players you mentioned are available to play and at least 5 of them have appalling injury records! How long can the Chelski comedy last, at least another month I hope!

  104. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:49 #78391

    Great stats 24601, I still am in awe at the memory of Bergy's goal at Newcastle, but so many! Ray's goal takes some beating but Jon Sammels goal into the North Bank that night against Anderlecht was a favourite of mine, on 'Highbury's greatest Night' in 1970. 0-3 down before Ray scored in the last minute there; beginning the night 1-3 down, Eddie getting us back to 2-3 in the first half, then with 20 to go Big Raddy put us ahead on the away goals rule at 3-3, then Sammy burst into the box 2 minutes later and fired across the keeper for a 3-0 lead and 4-3 on aggregate. Sammy's legs nearly buckled under the combined mixture of the extreme emotion of what he had just done, and the surrounding teammates. I was just behind the North Bank goal to the left as you look from the pitch and I saw his shot come straight towards my corner like an arrow. The youtube clip is on a loop, and although the pictures are a little grainy I think I am the handsome one celebrating by clapping his hands as the ball hits the net.

  105. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:31 #78390

    Joel, Joel Campbell, Joel Campbell on the wing....No strength in depth, then how about Theo, Ox, Rosicky, Alexis, Ramsey, Welbeck, Gnabry can all play in that wide right position. Of the 2002 goals scored under Wenger, Henry scored 228, RVP 132, DB10 102, Pires 84, Theo 80. My favourites were Tony Adams against Everton & Thierry Henry v Man U (the phone call celebration). Pre-Wenger my favourite remains Ray Kennedy at the Lane in 1971.

  106. John F

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:17 #78389

    Amos,according to Graham Hunter one of the few worth listening to on talk sport,Arsenal had arranged to meet with Mata but then cancelled due to their pursuit of Campbell.I am pleased for campbell I could not believe how bad he was on Tuesday it bore no relation to his world cup performances. Could he have the same affect as Kevin Campbell when he first burst on the scene?

  107. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:08 #78388

    Nice post goonercolesyboy, am surprised that some of your passion that seeps out doesn't influence others, but there you go, some things are mysteries. Why did the dinosaurs become extinct yet some have survived finding a sanctuary on this site? Who really shot JR? Is a pineapple Upside Down Pudding the right way up if it's eaten in New Zealand? Was Michael Mouse's dad, Walt, really so far right wing he qualifies as a Nazi? How does a party that has less than a quarter of the electorate vote for it, manage a 12 seat majority in the House? How can some put milk in first when making a cuppa Rosie? Why are there no left handed scissors? How can one of something-like scissors-be plural? Why am I compelled to post here? Hold up, I know the answer to the last one, 'Miss, miss, me, miss!'

  108. Amos

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:02 #78387

    "Strange to think that Arsenal signed the player the same summer Juan Mata joined Chelsea (reputedly because the Gunners were too focused on signing the Costa Rican)." That's an even stranger statement to make. What's the strange connection between the two events? Campbell was 19 at the time and wouldn't have been a first team signing while Mata would have been. Campbell has only now reached the age at which we would have signed Mata had he not chosen the money Chelsea were able to offer. Is that suggestion that reputedly Arsenal are only capable of making one signing a summer all that reputable I wonder? Even last season having only bought Cech for the first team we still managed to sign Dragomir and Malen for the development squad.

  109. Gaz

    Nov 01, 2015, 11:00 #78386

    Those are definitely the kind of performances that win you titles. For me it's between us and City-with both games against them looking like title deciders right now. Certainly with Utd and Chelsea looking way off the pace and the fact we're simply better than Liverpool anything other than a top two finish will be a failure in my eyes. Things are definitely going well but a note of caution should be however well we're doing don't bet against Wenger picking the totally wrong side in a game that we cant afford to lose. He's already done it twice in the ECL this season and hopefully he's done something real unusual by learning from it...

  110. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 01, 2015, 10:26 #78385

    Sometimes out of adversity comes a good/great player, Bellerin, Coquelin and now Campbell? Obviously early days and one match, but I do like what he offers and in some of his previous games there was a player waiting to show what he could do, but didn't get a run of games. Maybe he will now and keep progressing. The real positive apart from winning was another clean sheet, with some good fortune attached, but it augurs well for this season as we will always create chances and score goals. In my opinion it wasn't a foul on Fabianski but nine times out of ten the ref protects keepers when nothing has happened. The rise of Bellerin is nothing more than remarkable, his two clearances were brilliant, showing fantastic pace and desire not to concede, what a talent. It goes to show that the starting eleven is strong and the extra days off for the majority makes all the difference. Ozil, again, ran the second half and creates chances for fun and Giroud has scored 65 goals in 150 games, not bad for a cart horse. Ya gunners, ya.

  111. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Nov 01, 2015, 10:24 #78384

    One step forwards ----- One step backwards. And so it goes on . . . . . . . .

  112. Wear Your Colours

    Nov 01, 2015, 10:13 #78383

    Another good victory. I felt we held our own in the first half and then took control in the second half. It was good to see Giroud continue his goal scoring run, his movement to lose his marker was very adroit. I was really pleased for Joel Campbell, his work ethic was excellent; he also took his goal very calmly. Another three-points in the bank, now we can focus on the trip to Munich. COYG!

  113. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2015, 10:05 #78382

    Maybe the next 3 ECL games will determine the strength of our PL challenge. Should we qualify then we'll continue to play full strength teams in future rounds as we fight on 3 fronts. Would our PL challenge fade away if we remain the ECL? If the Ropey Cup beckons then it's an opportunity go get the squad players up to the form required to slot seamlessly into the first team. The bright spot of the past week is getting out of the COC. Citeh remain in the competition which may drain then come early next year. It could be argued that CFC's demise started after winning the COC last year. They managed to limp over the PL line thereafter but their form dipped. Wenger is good value for his £8m wage when you consider CFC have paid £74m in compensation to the last 9 managers sacked since 2004. Why do Refs allow Costa to stay on the field of play after yet again displaying his thuggish traits?

  114. Mathew

    Nov 01, 2015, 9:57 #78381

    "I have nothing to say", thanks to a gritty performance by the Gunners. Swansea robbed 6 points of us last year and it was never going to be an easy one. Cech & Bellerin were the difference from last year, if Gomis had scored it would've been a different outcome. Thanks to Campbell, who can track back unlike Theo and Ox, a goal will boost his & Wenger's confidence. A day to forget for Alexis, but a milestone for Ozil, latter has evolved for PL games. Over to Munich ! COYG

  115. Smithy

    Nov 01, 2015, 9:47 #78380

    Well done lads! Put on the tin hats we need to dig in when we go to Munich.Defend for your lives and we might get out of there with a point or better!

  116. Badarse

    Nov 01, 2015, 9:22 #78379

    Thank you Kevin-it's all that 'goof' fortune I guess-only kidding buddy, I like Goofy. Faith is a meaningless commodity but I get your drift, I think it's all about reviewing each season as a separate entity with only the previous season as a template, whilst also trying to interpret those tiny nuances which fly over the heads of many, or picking up the vibes as we might have said in the '60's'. As none have mentioned the following I thought I would. Simon Rose employs a '10 match' gauge. Well ten is only a little better than nine, and not quite as good as eleven-those bloody numbers 24601-so where we are gives a reasonable indication of things, doesn't mean we shall win it or lose it, just a rough gauge of progress. Going on from there as none had mentioned it I thought I would. Last seasons corresponding results compared to this reads accordingly:-This 25 points, Last 22 points. Goals For and Against:- This 21-8, Last 21-11. No conclusions offered, just thought I would offer the service as it seems to count for so much to a number, and has a minimal interest for me, that numbers thing again 24601. Am drifting along and grooving to the Boss, ah now for another cusp of Rosie.

  117. GoonerRon

    Nov 01, 2015, 9:08 #78378

    Great result and good second half. It was vital that we rode the first half out with a clean sheet and it was good to see us remain resolute. 5 wins on the bounce in the league represents a strong run that we need to continue.