#ThrowbackThursday – Tottenham at Home

Part one of a look back at Spurs’ visits to Arsenal down the years



#ThrowbackThursday – Tottenham at Home


Tottenham Hotspur have long been associated with the Jewish faith, the club however were founded in 1882 by a group of grammar school boys from bible class at All Hallows Anglican Church, situated in Church Lane, close by to their current home at White Hart Lane in Tottenham which has stood there since the eleventh century. Initially called just plain ‘Hotspur FC’, the same group were also members of Hotspur Cricket Club who chose Football to occupy themselves during the winter. The choice of Hotspur as a name derives from ‘Harry Hotspur’ - not Jamie Redknapp’s dad, but Sir Henry Percy who was a late medieval noble man, recognised as one of the most valiant knights of his day for involvement in battles against the Scots and the French, who also led a rebellion against Henry IV for the murder of Richard II and was killed at the Battle of Shrewsbury in 1403.

Percy was brought wider fame as ‘Harry Hotspur’ in William Shakespeare’s historic play on the life of Henry IV. It is alleged that Percy’s descendants owned land in the Tottenham area. The founders of Hotspur FC had intended for their side to produce fighting, yet entertaining and flamboyant football in the same vein as Sir Henry, adopting the Latin moniker of ‘Audere-est-Facere’ (To Dare is to Do). It turns out that there existed another side called London Hotspur FC and as a result the side changed their name to Tottenham Hotspur. The first fixture between Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur took place at the Manor Ground in Plumstead on 9th November 1896 in the United League, which Arsenal won 2-1.

As everyone knows, this fixture wasn’t a North London derby on account of Arsenal then being based south of the river. It must be conceded therefore that Tottenham were the first side in North London. There are those among the Arsenal support who deny this fact on account of Tottenham being a part of the county of Middlesex until the redrawing of the boundaries in 1965, this however is splitting hairs as until the creation of the London County Council in 1889 everywhere within what is now known as the Greater London area, outside of the square mile of the City of London, previously lay in another county – and that includes both Woolwich (Kent) and Highbury (Middlesex).

At the time of Arsenal’s first meeting with Tottenham, they were at the time already members of the Football League. Their involvement in the United League was to provide additional midweek afternoon fixtures, which consequently were played out in front of much smaller crowds than that which Saturday fixtures attracted. Other sides in the United League at the time included Millwall, Luton, Loughborough Town, Kettering, Rushden Town and Wellingborough. The United League lasted until the turn of the century and one notable United League fixture involved a game with Tottenham at the Manor Ground, which was abandoned due to foul and abusive language from the crowd and was never replayed.

Spurs around this same period were members of the Southern League, the roots of which came from Arsenal’s attempts to instigate a southern version of the Football League which contained mainly northern and Midlands based sides, which had existed since 1888. Arsenal instead joined the Football League in 1893 effectively making it a national league, but the Southern League proceeded a year later and became a big success with sides like Tottenham and Millwall attracting crowds as big as 50,000. Despite being one of the biggest sides within the Southern League, Spurs only won the League once in 1899/1900.

Tottenham won their first FA Cup the following season in 1901 while competing in the Southern League and ever since have been falsely lauded as the only ever ‘Non-League’ side to win the trophy. The Southern League is now the seventh tier of English football, however was not part of a pyramid system in 1901 and therefore on a par with the Football League. In fact, it lacked the maximum wage of the Football League and frequently poached Football League players as a result, therefore you can say it actually had an advantage over Football League sides. Tottenham’s first glory period at the turn of the century in which they won the Southern League and FA Cup in successive seasons actually followed as a result of poaching Football League players who broke their restrictive contracts to play in the Southern League, such as John Cameron and Jack Bell, the latter heavily involved in the formation of the Association Footballers' Union, which was the forerunner to the PFA in representing Professional Footballers.

Turning out for Spurs during this period was future Arsenal manager Herbert Chapman, who was a Spurs player between 1905 to his retirement in 1907. The following season Tottenham won election to the Second Division of the Football League and in their first year won Promotion to the First Division, which led to the first league meeting between Tottenham and Woolwich Arsenal at the Manor Ground in December 1909, which Arsenal won 1-0. All Football League meetings between the two sides have occurred within the top flight, which Arsenal fell out of in 1912/13. Arsenal relocated to North London in 1913/14, which led to protests from Tottenham Hotspur.

Spurs however became of victim of their own habit of crying wolf, as throughout this period they raising objections to what they felt was unwanted London competition while in the Southern League by attempting but failing to stop Clapton Orient joining in 1904, but successfully preventing Chelsea’s admission to that League a year later. Arguably also, given that Arsenal had taken on most of the financial risks required to developing professional football in London, such as becoming the first club in the capital to turn professional in the face of opposition from the London FA and becoming the only Southern based club in the first attempt at a nationwide Football League while sides like Tottenham were saving travel expenses in a Southern League which was effectively Arsenal’s brainchild, it seems only fair that the Gunners be allowed to pick a location of their choice within the metropolis to secure their existence, at a time when their extinction looked a strong possibility.

In Tottenham’s only two seasons of playing a division above Arsenal, they finished in seventeenth position in 1913/14 and rock bottom of the table in 1914/15. Famously, when Football resumed after the First World War in 1919/20 Arsenal were ‘invited’ back to a top flight which expanded from twenty to twenty two sides despite finishing fifth, at the expense of Barnsley and Wolves who finished fourth and fifth. Arsenal were originally endorsed for promotion by Football League President and chairman of Liverpool John McKenna on account of their longer membership of the League and won the subsequent vote by eighteen votes to Spurs' eight, while Barnsley got five, Wolves four, Nottingham Forest three, Birmingham two and Hull City one.

The reasons why Arsenal were granted promotion are shrouded in mystery with suggestions (though unproven) of corruption. In the early twentieth century, Professional Football and the Football League itself were much less established in the South of England and Arsenal’s location within the capital can be considered as big a reason as to why they were chosen ahead of provincial sides such as Barnsley and Wolves. Tottenham have long felt a sense of injustice over the fact that Football League promoted Arsenal rather than allowed Tottenham to stay up, however a team finishing bottom of the top division arguably has less of a right to retain a place among the elite than the side finishing three positions beneath a promotion place in the division below.

Tottenham however came back up to the top flight as a result of winning the Second Division in 1919/20 by six clear points. The first ever North London derby took place at White Hart Lane on 15th January 1921. Tottenham’s first visit to Highbury came a week later, which Arsenal won 3-2 with two goals from Jackie Rutherford. That season however Tottenham had won their second FA Cup with a 1-0 win over Wolves at Stamford Bridge. The following season Spurs also finished second to Liverpool in the league, however remained in the bottom half of the table until they were relegated at the end of the 1927/28 season, just as former Spur Herbert Chapman was beginning to build an Arsenal side which challenged for trophies.

Spurs remained in the second tier until gaining promotion as runners up in 1932/33, with a side which included former Arsenal star Jimmy Brain. On their first season back in the top flight a group of Spurs forwards featured in this piece for Pathe News. In their first season back in the top flight Spurs had a fairly impressive season finishing third, behind Arsenal who won their second successive title. That season Arsenal actually lost their home fixture against Tottenham 1-3 in January, though Arsenal were to beat Tottenham 4-0 in the final of the London Challenge Cup Final at Highbury. As Arsenal were to make it a hat-trick of league titles the following season however, Spurs were to fall out of the top flight again finishing the season rock bottom with Arsenal winning the fixture at Highbury 5-1 with a hat-trick for Ted Drake, a goal from Pat Beasley and an own goal from Tottenham’s Thomas Evans.

Tottenham this time were to remain in the second tier until after the Second World War, dropping to as low as tenth position in the old Second Division in 1936/37. The earliest available newsreel footage of an Arsenal v Tottenham game at Highbury however came from a benefit match to celebrate the Football League’s Golden Jubilee just prior to the 1938/39 season, which had been the Arsenal debut of their then record signing Bryn Jones. That day Tottenham however inflicted a 0-2 defeat on Arsenal. However, while Spurs couldn’t compete with Arsenal in the top flight, they had to content themselves with taking on a group of Boxers at Darts, as shown from this Movietone footage from August 1939.

While still languishing in the second tier, under the management of former Arsenal winger Joe Hulme, Tottenham managed to reach the Semi Final of the FA Cup against the Blackpool side of Matthews and Mortensen. A Stan Mortensen hat-trick gave Blackpool a 3-1 win. The following season Spurs met Arsenal at Highbury in the third round of the FA Cup for the first competitive fixture between the two sides for nearly fourteen years. Arsenal triumphed with a 3-0 win over second tier Spurs with goals from Doug Lishman, Ian McPherson and Don Roper. The following season however, as Arsenal won the FA Cup with a Semi Final win at White Hart Lane on route with a from Freddie Cox who joined the Gunners from Tottenham the previous summer, Spurs’ fortunes however changed on the appointment of Tottenham-born former player Arthur Rowe and his ‘Push and Run’ style of Football.

Tottenham returned back to the top flight by virtue of winning the 1949/50 Second Division title by nine clear points under a two points for a win system. Also, in their first season back in the top flight in 1950/51, Tottenham quite impressively won their first league title with a squad that included future Spurs manager Bill Nicholson and England World Cup Winning manager Sir Alf Ramsey. The following season Tottenham pipped a double challenging Arsenal side to the runners up spot on goal average, as an injury-hit Arsenal side lost 1-6 in a Championship decider with that year’s League Champions Man Utd at Old Trafford. Arthur Rowe’s Spurs side however would decline soon after, finishing in the bottom half of the table for four seasons in a row between 1952 and 1956. Rowe retired through ill-health in 1955, though their fortunes were to change again on the appointment of Bill Nicholson in October 1958.

The season prior to Nicholson’s appointment Arsenal and Spurs played out a 4-4 draw at Highbury, with goals from Danny Clapton, David Herd, Gordon Nutt and a Tottenham own goal while two goals apiece for Bobby Smith and Tommy Harmer were on target for Spurs. A month prior to Nicholson’s appointment Arsenal scored a 3-1 win over Spurs with two goals from David Herd and one from Gordon Nutt. Nicholson’s first game in charge of Spurs was an impressive 10-4 victory over Everton with Bobby Smith bagging four goals. As everyone knows, Tottenham’s annus miribulus came in 1960/61. That season in September, Spurs inflicted a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal at Highbury with goals from David Herd and Gerry Ward for the Gunners, while Les Allen, Terry Dyson and Frank Saul were on target for Spurs.

Credit where credit’s due, Spurs’ 1961 side won the title by eight clear points under a two for a win system and were the only side during the period of the maximum wage to win the ‘elusive’ League and FA Cup double, which the Football League officially abolished the following season. Spurs’ first visit to Highbury after winning the double in December 1961 however resulted in a 2-1 win for Arsenal, with goals for Mel Charles and Alan Skirton, with Dave Mackay on target for Tottenham. Playing in his first North London Derby that afternoon had been Jimmy Greaves, who scored a hat-trick on his Tottenham debut against Blackpool a week prior.

Though Arsenal spent much of the 1960s in the shadow of Tottenham, Spurs’ visits to Highbury were usually high scoring affairs. In 1962/63 Spurs inflicted a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal with goals from Cliff Jones, Tony Marchi and Bobby Smith for Tottenham, while Joe Baker and Geoff Strong were on target for the Gunners, that same season Spurs became the first English side to win a European trophy by defeating Atletico Madrid in that year’s European Cup Winners’ Cup Final. The following season, in October Arsenal played out a 4-4 draw with Spurs at Highbury, with two goals for George Eastham and one apiece for Joe Baker and Geoff Strong. On the scoresheet for Spurs had been Jimmy Greaves, Dave Mackay and two goals for Bobby Smith. In 1964/65 Arsenal scored a 3-1 victory over Spurs at Highbury, with two goals for Joe Baker and one from John Radford.

In September 1967 Arsenal scored their biggest win over Tottenham during the 1960s with a thumping 4-0 win with goals from Colin Addison, George Graham, Terry Neill and John Radford. Arsenal would also return to the hunt for trophies, setting up a second successive Wembley visit in the League Cup by defeating Tottenham in the Semi Final, winning the first leg at Highbury 1-0 with a goal from John Radford. The last North London Derby of the 1960s ended in a 2-3 defeat for Arsenal at Highbury, however resulted in a piece of history as former Spur Jimmy Robertson became the first player to score for both sides in a North London Derby scoring Arsenal’s second goal.

In Arsenal’s double season of 1970/71, Spurs visited Highbury in September with George Armstrong scoring both goals in a 2-0 win for the Gunners. At Christmas that year, Tottenham’s Alan Mullery on LWT’s Big Match Special went so far as tipping Arsenal to win the title that season (@04.46), which was duly delivered at White Hart Lane five months later. Mullery however would be on the scoresheet, along with Ralph Coates for Tottenham in a 0-2 defeat for Arsenal the following season in the last game of the 1971/72 season. This game however was a fairly meaningless fixture which took place on the Thursday following Arsenal’s Cup Final defeat, as Arsenal could go no higher than fifth and even after taking all three points at Highbury Spurs could not go any higher than sixth position.


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  1. Ron

    Nov 06, 2015, 22:28 #78826

    Another top text that Baddie - Dee Brown. 2-1 tomorw. Guns.

  2. Badarse

    Nov 06, 2015, 21:55 #78823

    Will check it out tomorrow 24601. Toughie on Sunday but think we may just get home-expecting Mesut to pull the strings. Just remember guys, bury my heart at wounded knee!

  3. Ron

    Nov 06, 2015, 21:26 #78821

    Westie and Baddie - Lads, 'The Last Gunfight' Jeff Guinn. Treat yourselves. Its great and puts a lot of the American history of the time into place. Based on some good historical sources.

  4. Westlower

    Nov 06, 2015, 19:55 #78816

    @Ron & Baddie, Remiss of me not to mention what an eye opener it is walking around Boot Hill graveyard & reading the headstones. A real history lesson of American life in the 1880's. 'Here lies George Johnson, Hanged by mistake 1882. He was right, we was wrong. But we strung him up & now he's gone.' 'John Heath, Taken from County jail & lynched by Bisbee mob in Tombestone 1884.' 'Two Chinese.' Not unlike our WOB's who want instant justice after a defeat? Good job AW wasn't the manager of Tombestone FC?

  5. Westlower

    Nov 06, 2015, 18:40 #78812

    @Badarse If you google Tombestone, Arizona -Wikipedia you'll find a good summary of events. I think our big shoot out will end 2-2 on Sunday. Two sets of tired legs knocking what stuffing is left out of each other.

  6. Badarse

    Nov 06, 2015, 18:04 #78810

    'I was born under the North Bank Stand!' Remember that song greybeards?

  7. Ron

    Nov 06, 2015, 17:22 #78806

    Westie - brilliant. Oddly enough ive just read a great book about the OK corral shoot out, Earp and Co and the persons in it. The reality was quite different from the myth (as you may know mate) but really good stuff nontheless. I bet that visit was awesome. I love all that stuff and American history generally. I reckon 'i was born under a wandrin star'. Have a great week end Westie and all fellow posters too.

  8. mbg

    Nov 06, 2015, 17:18 #78805

    Ron, Baddie, that's actually being rerun on Sky at the minute, I think it's the Drama channel but don't quote me, it's definitely on there somewhere.

  9. Badarse

    Nov 06, 2015, 16:20 #78800

    Yeah I remember that story 24601. Funny that it took place just a handful of years before the embryonic Arsenal was formed. The history of events is largely a mystery-how the gunfight ensued. All agree it lasted about half a minute, and it took place at short range-these are the only known facts I think, aren't they? Were the cowboys gunned down, did they start the shooting in the first place? Pity we didn't have Sky news and the Sun in those days, we'd have found out it was Tony Benn's fault probably, or then again it could have all been Arsene Wenger's doing.

  10. Westlower

    Nov 06, 2015, 15:37 #78795

    @Ron & Baddie, Many years ago I was lucky enough to visit Tombestone in Cochise County, Arizona. Scene of the infamous shootout at the O.K Corral between Doc Holliday, the Earp Bros (Wyatt being the most famous) & the Clantons + other cowboys. Doc Holliday was a short tempered professional gambler & back then Tombestone was full of gambling halls, saloons & brothels. If only they did packaged holidays back then? They must have based 'Paint Your Wagon' on Tombestone. Also visited the cowboy movie set in Tucson, many times. Amusing head stones in the cemetery. I told 'em I was sick.

  11. mbg

    Nov 06, 2015, 13:58 #78786

    Mark from Aylesbury, nice geography lesson, if you need any help in the future Coldsoreboy's your man he's good at finding places on a map.

  12. mbg

    Nov 06, 2015, 13:48 #78785

    jw, and no doubt Pep would do the same for us also, he'd get the nice boys playing properly (those that are up to it anyway)Hell any manager would. A couple of Liverpool supporting friends of mine tell me the fans and the club are buzzing again, with the excitement and expectancy back, it's really lifted the place. I have no doubt whatsoever it would do exactly the same for us, we'd all be buzzing again with real expectations once more, it would be like a breath of fresh air to everyone (whether some would like to admit it or not) also to the players as well, even all the way to the back room staff and those behind the scenes, there'd be a sigh of relief the like never heard before.

  13. Badarse

    Nov 06, 2015, 12:16 #78774

    Hi buddy, yes Cheyenne Bodie, alias Clint Walker, a very tall man married to a woman well over a foot shorter than himself. Think quite often he made her jump to it! Have Gun Will Travel, Bonanza, High Chaparral, Maverick,-cowboys were had old viewing figures of today's PL games, didn't they? Great memories of a simpler time.

  14. Badarse

    Nov 06, 2015, 12:06 #78773

    Afternoon Ron. Yeah fella, love, light and peace. I was once involved in a real bar room brawl which went on for what seemed like ages...the mud, the blood, and the beer, and all because I said Arsene was doing quite a good job, (only kidding), actually it was a wedding reception and I was a fringe invitee. I thought I was in the old wild west-where was Roy Rogers when you needed him?.

  15. Ron

    Nov 06, 2015, 12:03 #78772

    Baddie lad. I bet you were Seth Adams in Wagon train. You cdt have been Flint because i was him, so there! Do you remember Cheyanne? Was his name Bodie?

  16. Ron

    Nov 06, 2015, 11:45 #78770

    Hi Cyril. Ha ha. Very true mate. Its a virtual bar brawl on here isnt it. We all love each other really though, deep down. Even Baddie loves me. Hes very torn though bless him and in denial, thats what drives him to belt me some times even when hes wearing his robe and mitre!!

  17. Westlower

    Nov 06, 2015, 10:51 #78765

    @FJ, The dictionary definition of 'lilywhite' is: pure, untouched by corruption or imperfection; above reproach. Either the dictionary has got it wrong or we've badly misjudged you. After one win in your last 25 visits it may be wise to bring some tissues with you on Sunday.

  18. Roy

    Nov 06, 2015, 10:25 #78762

    FJ - What's that ? Lairy, Gobby - Bit Thick ?

  19. Finsbury Joe

    Nov 06, 2015, 9:04 #78758

    I'm one of the founder members of the 'Proud Lilywhites'we have the largest following of LGBT in the country so you goons beware we are coming to get you on Sunday..

  20. Badarse

    Nov 06, 2015, 8:01 #78756

    Sorry SKG missed opportunity to reply buddy. Yeah, all the tearing around was so funny. I would come out of the Trocadera at the Elephant and Castle on a Saturday morning, and if Zorro had impressed I would sword fence all the way home with a mate. Run up a couple of steps, jump off with imaginary sword pointed, we'd spin and pretend to kick out at each other-we must have looked demented to passing peeps. Telly, and Wagon Train was a great favourite-I was always Flint McCullough. Then Rawhide came along. It's only when I think myself back inside that little boy I was, that I begin to understand some of the posts I read on this site.

  21. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 06, 2015, 7:58 #78755

    Reg - not trying to put years on you but it's interesting your comments over Terry Neil. Maybe you were an older teenager at the time and more aware of the level of quality. For me Terry Neil's team of 79 created the dream that has never gone away. Also remember that we were always good for a draw against Liverpool at home or occasional win. This was very important for a young lad surrounded by Liverpool supporters. Recently I was responsible for creating a new Arsenal fanatic by the deft gift of tickets to him and his Liverpool supporting dad. I bit my tongue recently when I was about to do a Wenger rant but heard the lad talking in wonderment. Let the dream continue I thought. Magical stuff when you are a kid. I reckon within 10 years and when I can get my boy up to the Emirates it will be 100 years continuous Arsenal support within my clan

  22. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 06, 2015, 7:48 #78754

    Quote from very good article above. 'Tottenham were the first side in North London. There are those among the Arsenal support (Like Me✊)who deny this fact on account of Tottenham being a part of the county Middlesex.' I am going to split hairs here the county map of London from 1930. Clearly shows defined north London boroughs of Islington , St Pancras, Hackney. Dear old Haringay ain't been formed. The Spuds really are the 2nd best team in Middlesex with obviously Brentford leading the way! Geography lesson has now ended.

  23. Ozzie

    Nov 06, 2015, 6:16 #78753

    Always good to take in a bit more Arsenal history. Thanks, Robert. What price Benzema for Arsenal in 5 years time? ;) Ron, acknowledged your previous post re visit to Oz.

  24. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 06, 2015, 6:15 #78752

    Arsenal 3 - 1 ......Kane will score though. Think we will put Bayern behind us

  25. muguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 06, 2015, 0:29 #78748

    Any fear of my trolling posts getting deleted? With the bent admin on here, not a chance!!!!

  26. mbg

    Nov 06, 2015, 0:02 #78747

    Ron, and we have our very own rubber duck.

  27. mbg

    Nov 05, 2015, 23:52 #78746

    Any word of this old fraud's of a manager's resignation yet?

  28. Cyril

    Nov 05, 2015, 23:02 #78742

    Ron, your comments made me chuckle. I sometimes feel this website is like a virtual convoy brawl. Whoever pipes up next looks at the previous comment and gives him a dose of 'what for' lol...

  29. Finsbury Joe

    Nov 05, 2015, 22:38 #78740

    I'm going for a 3-1 Spurs win as I'm going with a lot of old schoolers to this one.They'll be no melting in the away section as in previous seasons as lots of the boys have confirmed we will be vocally up for it.Get in!

  30. jeff wright

    Nov 05, 2015, 22:12 #78737

    Herr Klopp appears to hasve quickly got the players that Rodgers struggled to win with into gear and looking like a different side.All that tippy tappy possession nonsense that Rodgers used has been replaced with modern style quick direct football. We are still stuck with Arsene though and he doesent have a clue what style of football to play .His poorman's version of tika taka only works against the cannon fodder of the Prem but against better sides he has had to resort to parking the bus with the BM players asking at the Emirates on seeing Cech in goal and Jose style long ball out of deep defence being employed:Are you Chelsea in disguise ?! Interesting game coming up on Sunday but the spuds are no Bayern Munich so despite all the hype I will go with old Arsene pulling his burning chestnuts out of the fire again. Will it ever end.

  31. Ron

    Nov 05, 2015, 19:56 #78723

    CW - that was 'Convoy' mate, not Highway Patrol. One of my fave films! Always wanted to be in one of them bar brawls like they had ha ha! Everybody was just belting each other, whoever was nearest. Brilliant!!

  32. 1-2 (Allinson, Rocastle)

    Nov 05, 2015, 19:40 #78721

    Joe, you forgot the words "stealing" and "tatty" before the word "fashion". What hope for you if you can't complete your own sentences?

  33. Finsbury Joe

    Nov 05, 2015, 18:49 #78714

    Am wearing the full Tott kit with a brand new pair of Ted Baker shoes for this one.Us spurs fans have always been ahead of you goons when it comes to fashion..

  34. C W McCALL

    Nov 05, 2015, 18:24 #78711

    So we crashed the gate doin 98, just let them truckers roll 10 - 4

  35. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 05, 2015, 17:49 #78707

    Badarse: Do so remember Highway Patrol - playtime, Downshall infants, Seven Kings, would find me and 2 or 3 other 7 year olds tearing around the playground with imaginary steering wheels and column shifts playing HP - who needs "Call of Duty" when you can shout 10 - 4 after every utterance! Great post as usual Robert, I missed the 2-1 win Christmas 61, dad thought the crowds would be too big for me and the footage shows he was right. Great shot of the West Stand Lower, were dad used to park himself with his mates. Dad reckons Dave Mackay handle before putting the Spuds ahead, I've a photo in a programme of Mel Charles scoring our equalizer, it states "Mel Charles steers the ball past goalkeeper Bill Brown" the footage shows the ball bounce in of MC's shin. No doubt about sir Alan's winner though - he could hit a ball when he was in the mood but Skirton's moods were like the weather very unpredictable. Still that win gave me a great Christmas and I think Arsenal followed it up with a 1-0 win over Fulham on Boxing Day. Great memories thank you again Robert.

  36. Badarse

    Nov 05, 2015, 17:11 #78703

    Part Two. New book-a disgruntled whistle blower, (not Mike Dean), has disclosed corruption within the Vatican, Pope Frank is having a difficult task in controlling his minions, especially those with one eye. No surprise in any of this is there playmates, Ay-Thang-Yaw!

  37. Badarse

    Nov 05, 2015, 16:05 #78699

    A throwback of my own as an update. The ex-President of the IAAF is being investigated on corruption charges-Seb Coe, the new IAAF President-is helping the investigating team with their enquiries.

  38. Ron

    Nov 05, 2015, 15:59 #78698

    In the Luton End .....Your Dads dead right mate. There was a time when Venables was being touted as the AFC boss. We missed that experience thankfully!

  39. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Nov 05, 2015, 15:21 #78695

    @Ron, the GG / TV love - in was before my time, but dad tells me that they were indeed thick as thieves (spivs?), then showed me his VHS of 1970-71 highlights which included GG and TV visiting a children's ward at a London Hospital together during Christmas / NY 1970. Venables even tips The Arsenal to beat Leeds to the title on camera.....I'm trying to get my head around Aaron Ramsey and Harry Kane repeating the experience for the modern audience....not going to happen, is it?!

  40. Ron

    Nov 05, 2015, 15:15 #78694

    Hi Baddie - yes, recall Highway Patrol as a kid. Recall better my first NLD at Highbury. The 4-0 in Sept 67. GGs wedding day and Venables (playing for Tottenham) his best man. Loved it!

  41. Badarse

    Nov 05, 2015, 14:16 #78690

    Thanks Robert, once more a delight to read. That 10-4 score line was a humorous tag that Sunday evening, on 'Sunday Night at the London Palladium'. The tag was used in the popular telly series, 'Highway Patrol', which had a walkie-talkie sign off of, '10-4'. Dear old Broderick Crawford, remember old timers?

  42. In The Luton End When Caesar Scored

    Nov 05, 2015, 14:07 #78685

    Did I read correctly, that The Arsenal got walloped 6-1 away at Old Trafford in a 1950's title decider? That sort of thing just wouldn't happen in the modern era...

  43. Platitude Problem

    Nov 05, 2015, 14:01 #78684

    blah blah blah blah blah, unlike Wenger who's past it

  44. mbg

    Nov 05, 2015, 13:47 #78681

    Lets hope this spuds encounter this weekend isn't another humiliation and embarrassment like last night, where we'll be the laughing stock of football twice in one week thanks to an old past it manager.