#FlashbackFriday – West Brom Home and Away

Part two of a look back at the Baggies’ clashes with Arsenal down the years



#FlashbackFriday – West Brom Home and Away

The Three Degrees with the er... Three Degrees?


In the years since dropping the ‘N-Bomb’ on live TV in 2004, it’s easy to forget the pioneering role which Big Ron played in the development of black players within the English game. Though both former Electrician and Hayes Semi-pro Cyrille Regis and Holloway-born former Arsenal apprentice Laurie Cunningham were already brought to the Hawthorns by Johnny Giles and Ronnie Allen, Atkinson also brought in his former captain at Cambridge - Brendan Batson – who a few years prior had been the first black player to play for Arsenal. The trio were christened the ‘Three Degrees’ after the popular singing group of the mid to late 1970s (who as seen by the pic below called in at the Hawthorns circa 1978 to see what all the fuss was about). Also on Atkinson’s watch Remi Moses came through the ranks at the Hawthorns meaning that West Brom had four black players at a time when most sides didn’t have any. In fact, in around two decades of managing at the top level, a large percentage of Britain’s highest profile black players of the period had played under Atkinson at some time or other.

Atkinson also inherited youth side graduates Bryan Robson and Derek Statham and within a few months of his appointment Albion had put together an FA Cup run, defeating his future side Man. Utd. in the fourth round. Albion drew 1-1 with United at Old Trafford, while winning the replay back at the Hawthorns 3-2 with Cyrille Regis scoring the winner. After progressing past Derby with a 3-2 win at the Baseball Ground, Albion took on that year’s eventual League Champions and League Cup winners and preventing a domestic treble by Forest with a 2-0 win at the Hawthorns in the FA Cup Quarter Final, with goals from Mick Martin and Cyrille Regis. In the Semi Final at Highbury however, West Brom went on to lose 1-3 to an Ipswich side that would go on to face – and defeat - Arsenal in the 1978 final.

During the summer of 1978, the England team were forced to pull out of a tour of China, with FA bigwig Bert Millichip’s involvement at West Brom meaning that the Baggies stepped in to honour the commitment. The tour was the subject of a BBC2 documentary called ‘Albion in the Orient’. It’s fair to say a lot of the Albion squad didn’t fully appreciate their time in China, with Atkinson describing that many of the players complained about the lack of availability of alcohol, John Trewick’s famous: ‘when you’ve seen one wall, you’ve seen them all’ quote on seeing the Great Wall of China and an early warning as to Ron Atkinson’s lack of cultural sensitivities claiming that he couldn’t see how China had a population explosion as they had the best form of contraception in the world – ‘ugly women!’.

West Brom’s annus mirabilis came in 1978/79, topping the table after a 2-2 draw with Norwich in early September, followed by a 3-1 win at Stamford Bridge over a Chelsea side in even more disarray than they are today a few weeks later, as well as defeating once mighty Leeds United at Elland Road by the same score line. On Boxing Day Arsenal were defeated by Albion 1-2 at Highbury with goals for Bryan Robson and Ally Brown for Albion and Brady on target for Arsenal, followed four days later by the high point of Albion’s season with a memorable 5-3 victory over Man Utd. at Old Trafford with goals from Len Cantello, Cunningham, Regis and two for Tony Brown. The racial abuse of the Old Trafford crowd that day was so audible that Granada commentator Tony Gubba openly remarks on it @10.19 as Laurie Cunningham plays a part in Tony Brown’s first goal (Also covered on the same highlights footage is Arsenal v Birmingham played on the same day).

Albion also put together a decent run in Europe with highlights such as defeating Galatasary 6-1 on aggregate in the first round and eliminating Valencia 3-1 in the third round. Albion’s run however ended with a 1-2 aggregate defeat to Red Star Belgrade the following March. West Brom finished the season in third position, which had been their best finish for a quarter of a century, however lost Laurie Cunningham to Real Madrid for £1 Million during the summer of 1979. In 1979/80 West Brom came a disappointing tenth position in the top tier, however scored a 3-1 away win over Man. City in February with former City players Gary Owen and Peter Barnes lining up for Albion against their old club.

The 1980/81 season kicked off with Arsenal playing away at the Hawthorns in August, beating West Brom 1-0 with a goal from Frank Stapleton. Later on that Season in November, Arsenal and West Brom played out a 2-2 draw at Highbury captured on Match of the Day with a rare commentating outing for Des Lynam. Peter Barnes opened the scoring for Albion, though Alan Sunderland equalised to make it 1-1. Brendan Batson gave his old club the lead by putting the ball into his own net, though Gary Owen equalised for Albion from the penalty spot. The Baggies achieved the much improved position of fourth in the top tier, one point below Arsenal in third. Highlights from the season included the fourth home win in a row over Manchester United the day after Boxing Day in a 3-1 win for Albion, with goals for Gary Owen, Peter Barnes and Cyrille Regis. Also, Albion recorded a 2-0 win over Liverpool at the Hawthorns in February, with a cheeky back-heeled goal from Bryan Robson as well as a 2-1 win over European Champions Nottingham Forest.

A sign of the times however was that despite the great football being played at the Hawthorns, West Brom’s average attendance had dropped from 27,211 in 1978/79 to just 21,236 in 1980/81, which was most probably a side effect of unemployment doubling across the UK during that short period, with the West Midlands particularly affected. While Ron Atkinson’s old protégé Laurie Cunningham lined up to play for Real Madrid in the 1981 European Cup Final against Liverpool, the limitations at West Brom probably began to dawn on Atkinson. That summer Big Ron left the Hawthorns to take up the vacant managerial hot seat at Old Trafford and, as young Chairman Martin Edwards on taking over on his father’s death a year earlier gave Big Ron licence to spend big bucks, Atkinson took Remi Moses and Bryan Robson with him to Manchester.

Ronnie Allen returned to West Brom to take over from Atkinson and despite reaching the FA Cup Semi Final against QPR at Highbury, losing 0-1, it was the beginning of a long decline for Albion who finished seventeenth that season and in the bottom half of the table for the next five seasons. It may also come as a bit of a shock to anyone under forty that lining up for Albion around this period had been future Tottenham boss Martin Jol, who signed from FC Twente along with fellow countryman Romeo Zondervan in 1982. As the 1980s economic downturn hit the West Midlands, West Brom were forced to sell their best players, such as Cyrille Regis to Coventry in 1984.

Albion’s annus horribulus was to come in 1985/86, finishing rock bottom with just four wins all season. Despite this, so pitiful were Arsenal also that the Gunners failed to score a win against the Baggies that season. Arsenal were held to a 0-0 draw at the Hawthorns in November in what was Martin Keown’s Arsenal debut. By the time Arsenal met Albion at Highbury on the penultimate Saturday of the season in late April West Brom were already relegated, however Don Howe had resigned as Arsenal boss with Chief Scout Steve Burtinshaw in charge as caretaker boss. Arsenal had won just one of their previous seven matches and the match attendance of just 14,843 had been one of Arsenal’s lowest of the Post-war era - incredibly five thousand more people turned out witnessed Arsenal’s FA Youth Cup Quarter Final defeat of Tottenham in 2009! Arsenal took a two goal lead in the first half through an Ian Allinson penalty and a goal for Stewart Robson, however Albion had pulled two back by the finish to pull off a 2-2 draw.

The following week West Brom played what turned out to be their final game in the top flight before the millennium against title chasing West Ham. Despite the fact that the League Championship could have been decided at the Hawthorns that afternoon and that no-one knew when the next time Albion would be in the top flight, empty spaces at the Hawthorns were clearly visible with an attendance of just 17,651. Similar to a week earlier, Albion found themselves two goals down with goals from Frank McAvennie and Tony Cottee, though pulled it back to 2-2 with goals from Madden and Reilly. West Ham however took all three points through a Ray Stewart penalty; however Liverpool bagged the first leg of their double at Stamford Bridge with a 1-0 win over Chelsea with West Ham had to make do with third position.

There would be no quick return to the top flight for West Brom, finishing in the bottom half of the table for two seasons in a row. By 1988/89 Ron Atkinson had returned and Albion briefly led the second tier before Big Ron left for a brief spell at Atletico Madrid with former Arsenal midfielder Brian Talbot taking over as Player Manager. The Baggies were in the process of building a reasonable side with another former Arsenal player in Chris Whyte, future Sheffield Wednesday and England midfielder Carlton Palmer and future Liverpool full back David Borrows. That season Albion scored a 5-3 win over Crystal Palace at the Hawthorns, however finished outside of the play off positions in ninth and by 1990/91 were relegated to the third tier with Brian Talbot sacked after a 2-4 loss to non-league Woking in the FA Cup.

West Brom spent a total of sixteen seasons outside of the top flight, before returning in 2002 with a 2-0 win over Crystal Palace. Their first fixture back in the top flight would be away at League Champions Arsenal, which ironically was the sight of their last top tier away fixture sixteen years earlier. On this occasion however Arsenal triumphed 5-2 with goals from Ashley Cole, Lauren, Jeremie Aliadiere and two for Sylvan Wiltord. West Brom’s goals were scored by Scott Dobie and the nephew of Cyrille Regis, Jason Roberts. The return fixture came on Boxing Day, with Arsenal winning 2-1. Albion went straight down after one season finishing nineteenth, however played Arsenal the following season in the League Cup with a 2-0 win for the Gunners with goals from Nwankwo Kanu and Jeremie Aliadiere.

West Brom started the 2003/04 season with a 1-4 defeat away at Walsall with a hat-trick for former Arsenal star Paul Merson. West Brom came straight back up however in 2003/04 finishing as runners up in the second tier, with one noteworthy game being away at Upton Park where Albion pulled back a three goal deficit to win 4-3. On returning to the top flight, Albion left Highbury with a point after a 1-1 draw with Rob Earnshaw cancelling out an earlier Robert Pires strike. The following May however Arsenal would take all three points with a 2-0 win at the Hawthorns with Robin Van Persie and Edu among the goals. In 2005/06 West Brom would score their first win over Arsenal since December 1983, inflicting a 1-2 defeat with goals from former Arsenal striker Nwankwo Kanu and Darren Carter, with Phillipe Senderos on target for Arsenal. West Brom’s last visit to Highbury however ended in a 3-1 win for Arsenal with goals from Aleksandr Hleb, Robert Pires and Dennis Bergkamp, while Nigel Quashie was on target for the Baggies.

West Brom finished 2005/06 again relegated back to the Second tier after finishing nineteenth, however were to meet Arsenal in the League Cup 3rd Round in 2006/07, which Arsenal won 2-0 with two goals from Jeremie Aliadiere. In 2007/08 Albion were defeated 0-1 by Portsmouth in the FA Cup Semi Final through a goal by former Arsenal and West Brom forward Nwankwo Kanu. West Brom however returned to the top flight as Second tier Champions, secured with a 1-1 draw with Southampton. Albion’s first game back in the top flight came away at Arsenal in August 2008, however the Gunners triumphed 1-0 with a debut goal for Samir Nasri after three minutes. The return fixture at the Hawthorns saw Arsenal run out 3-1 winners with goals from Kolo Toure and two for Nicklas Bendtner. Albion were relegated again at the end of 2008/09, finishing bottom of the table.

In 2009/10 Arsenal again met West Brom in the League Cup third round at home, running out 2-0 winners with goals from Sanchez Watt and Carlos Vela. Now at the helm at the Hawthorns would be former Chelsea star Roberto Di Matteo, who would secure promotion as runners up with a 3-2 win at Doncaster. In September 2010, West Brom secured their first away win at Arsenal in twenty seven years after inflicting a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal. West Brom took a three goal lead over Arsenal with goals from Peter Odemwingie, Gonzalo Jara and former Gunner Jerome Thomas. Arsenal pulled two goals back in the last fifteen minutes with two goals from Samir Nasri. By the time of Arsenal’s visit to the Hawthorns the following March Roberto Di Matteo had been replaced by Roy Hodgson as West Brom manager and the Baggies raced into a two goal lead with goals from Steven Reid and Peter Odemwingie, however Arsenal pulled it back with goals Andrei Arshavin and Robin Van Persie, resulting in a 2-2 draw.

On Guy Fawkes Night 2011, a West Brom visited Arsenal which resulted in a 3-0 win for the Gunners with goals from Robin Van Persie, Thomas Vermaelen and Mikel Arteta. The season ended for Arsenal with a visit to the Hawthorns, where after being ten points behind Spurs in February Arsenal secured fourth place by one point after a 3-2 win over West Brom in what was Roy Hodgson’s last game in charge of Albion before taking on the England job, while Robin Van Persie played his last competitive game for Arsenal before defecting to Old Trafford. The following December West Brom visited Arsenal, resulting in a 2-0 win for the Gunners from two Mikel Arteta penalties. In the return fixture Arsenal took three points from the Hawthorns with a 2-1 win over West Brom with Tomas Rosicky bagging both goals.

The season ended at the Hawthorns with Sir Alex Ferguson’s last game in charge at Man. Utd, which ended in an exciting 5-5 draw. Four months on, Arsenal faced West Brom at the Hawthorns in the third round of the League Cup which ended 1-1 after extra time, Arsenal winning the tie on a penalty shoot-out. Less than two weeks later and Arsenal returned to the Hawthorns again with another 1-1 score line with Claudio Yacob scoring for Albion and Jack Wilshire, who in the week prior had been criticised for being caught smoking in public scored a great equaliser against a club who in the mid-1980s before their long disappearance from top tier football carried a ‘No Smoking’ sign emblazoned on the middle of their shirts.

Arsenal had high hopes for a title run that season, however by the time Arsenal next met West Brom in May those hopes had already gone, however Arsenal still carried off a 1-0 win over Albion with a goal from Olivier Giroud. The following November Arsenal’s visit to the Hawthorns ended in a 1-0 win with a goal from Danny Welbeck. Arsenal were to meet West Brom again for the final fixture of the season ahead of their second FA Cup Final appearance in as many years. On the back of a hat-trick in this fixture, Theo Walcott won a starting position in the following week’s Cup Final. There was also a goal from Jack Wilshire which was voted as Match of the Day’s goal of the season as Arsenal finished the League season with a 4-1 thumping of Albion.

And so on to Saturday. West Brom are currently laying around mid-table in thirteenth position. With just four defeats against Arsenal in thirty seven years, West Brom’s visit to Arsenal should be a pretty straight forward affair for Arsene Wenger’s men.

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  1. Mike

    Nov 23, 2015, 9:42 #79608

    Good article but the commentator is Gerald Sinstadt not Tony Gubba - he worked for the BBC. Fair play to him as he was the only commentator then to mention racial abuse, hard to believe now.

  2. mbg

    Nov 23, 2015, 0:09 #79599

    ArseneKnewBest, sorry just getting to read your post now, first class, you can imagine the bowing they were doing as the sows were bouncing off them and knocking them over.

  3. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 22, 2015, 10:53 #79526

    Coleslaw - You've either had an epiphany or a bump on the bonce if you're coming round to the idea that my arse**** knows best. It helps to put some of your own opinions in perspective I suppose. I thought you'd be deep in conference at the moment with the other cheerleaders and shareholders thinking of a new and even more far fetched theory for our demise after yesterday's serving. Cannot wait for the excuses.

  4. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 22, 2015, 10:18 #79522

    The three anti amigos, Arse****knowsbest, the Muguiresbridge and jeff see fit to crow about an Arsenal defeat on here and welcome it more than winning. Well done.

  5. jeff wright

    Nov 21, 2015, 23:20 #79507

    mbg, These AKB's are a laugh a minute even they know though ,well some do, that Arsene's time is past.... the bookies are having a laugh as well offering Arsene up at 2-1 to win the league they work on the assumption though that some mugs will put their money on these silly bets. ... talking about silly... I see that dear Jamerson is back posting under another name ,new name,same old... he's happier now though after Jose won today... you couldn't make it up

  6. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 23:07 #79506

    Cornish, it just goes to show what a load of bollocks all these betting odds we keep hear being spouted are. You couldn't make it up, or in this case you can. wenger out.

  7. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 22:26 #79505

    jw, yes clowns everywhere today alright, but aren't there always (there must be a circus over at central command also and they pop out for a smoke every now and again) and the biggest clown of them all, the ring master, old frosty himself, standing with arms folded, twitching, making excuses for their performance and make up. wenger out.

  8. Billthered

    Nov 21, 2015, 22:01 #79504

    lets get one thing straight strange results happen every now and again but when they happen every other week then we have to start to look in the mirror West Ham, Zagreb, Olympiacos, etc how much does it effect the players like it effects us. Any answers ?

  9. A Cornish Gooner

    Nov 21, 2015, 21:43 #79503

    Westie. So Chelsea (relegation candidates) are shorter odds to be champions than the team currently on top with twice as many points as Chelsea. What would Simon Rose, or you as a betting man, make of that

  10. Westlower

    Nov 21, 2015, 21:22 #79502

    The Shirelles knew: Mama said there'll be days like this, there'll be days like this, mama said. Hey, don't you worry, mama said, mama said, hey, hey. Now half the teams in the PL are challenging for the title. Updated odds to win PL: Citeh 11/8, AFC 2/1, Man U 7/2, L'pool 20/1, TH 28/1, CFC 40/1, Leicester 80/1.

  11. jeff wright

    Nov 21, 2015, 19:49 #79501

    That's the stuff you tell 'em Colesyboy ! Simple Simon posting nonsense about us challenging for the title while Chelsea fight relegation,you couldn't make it up. Then we had Amos using Arithmetic to work out that 12 games played added up to a title tilt , if only, and not forgetting the king of the clowns with his big red runny nose Badass . These clowns don't have a clue - nice to see that you have though! On another note it looks more and more obvious that both us and City missed a trick in not signing up Herr Klopp - if Stan had any ambition other than in making money for himself he would have gone for the Deutschlander in the summer and put old Arsene out to pasture as his wife did.On the subject of clowns there were a few on show at the Hawthorns today doing hilarious things to amuse the crowd no red noses on but they all wore AFC shirts - apart from one who wore a suit and tie and his nose was red, so was the rest of his face,with embarrassment.

  12. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 19:48 #79500

    nice n comfy, back down to where we belong (and that's debatable) i guess lack of oxygen got to OGL's little technicians, but at least the scousers done us a favour, and I suppose the petition from the wengerites to end the prem after ten or so games will be pulled, until we scrape our back up to second or third again after 15, 19, 25, games or so, and then according to the AKB's we'll be challenging and the call will start again, until the inevitable of course.

  13. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 19:25 #79499

    And here was me thinking there was a fire drill at AKB central command.

  14. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 21, 2015, 18:33 #79498

    Ah the embarrassment of losing a football match away at West Brom, another failure???? Get a life Muguiresbridge. Ask Man city how they feel at half time? What about Real Madrid 0-3 at home to Barcelona? After all, it isn't a challenge until seven games to go.

  15. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 18:20 #79497

    The helicopter is on route to the Etihad, there's no real rush of course, but lets hope the pilots don't get altitude sickness.

  16. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 17:03 #79495

    No doubt the AKB's (some anyway)will tell us they called it and seen it coming with the usual pathetic excuses, but in reality it's just another failure and embarrassment (in a very long line) for their messiah and them against mediocre opposition, how the mighty have fallen, Sad. Go now old man, wenger out.

  17. A Cornish Gooner

    Nov 21, 2015, 16:57 #79494

    Are we now on the cusp of challenging, or the cusp of NOT challenging?

  18. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 13:31 #79490

    So a win today will be a biggie, not against the chavs mind, the mancs, scousers or Bayern, but the mighty brom, there's nothing like getting the excuses in early, that that just shows what some fans expectations are and how far this club has fallen under a old past it manager. You couldn't make it up.

  19. Badarse

    Nov 21, 2015, 11:22 #79485

    24601 I hear The Beatles...'Get back, get back to where you once belonged!' Odds on being correct? Hector and Aaron within a fortnight; Theo and Ox before Xmas; Jack Xmas/New Year; Little Mozart and Danny Boy end of Feb: Me? Now! Actually I am 'pret a Sporter', which in arcane terms is translated as, 'ready to swear'. Yes a win will be a 'biggy' today.

  20. Westlower

    Nov 21, 2015, 9:07 #79482

    @Badarse, If the recent past is a good guide then a one goal win will be a good result. Over the last 5 years PL games at the Hawthorns ended 2-2, 2-3, 1-2, 1-1, 0-1. Add in the Pulis factor and a draw is the most likely outcome. All 4 PL leaders have potential point dropping games today & any of of the Manchester clubs, Leicester or AFC could be top tonight. It's one of those pivotal days when 3 points will be precious & hard earned. Man U appear to have the easiest task but are lacking strikers. With the exception of Leicester all have an eye on the ECL games midweek. I suspect it'll be a good day to be a bookie. In the words of the Three Degrees, a message to Wilshere, Rosicky, Welbeck, Theo & Ox, 'when will I see you again?'

  21. Badarse

    Nov 21, 2015, 8:00 #79480

    Morning SKG, not a ramble at all-I am the ace rambler, (my Dad did have a huge Nash Rambler that I drove as a youngster), a really nice read. Bren Gunner was clearly a bright light and it has been recognised and is being rewarded accordingly. Some great memories buddy. What a nice bunch those lads must have been. I have a similar story but not nearly as good-perhaps for another day. A single goal victory today, please lads.

  22. mbg

    Nov 21, 2015, 0:55 #79479

    Is it true the Prem league trophy will be on show at the Hawthorns tomorrow ready for the presentation after the game ? with a chopper standing by to ferry it to the Etihad at the final whistle in case Tony Pulis embarrasses OGL and his tired and fatigued little technicians again.

  23. Torbay gooner

    Nov 20, 2015, 20:24 #79477

    Thanks Robert, West Brom were great entertainers during the late seventies and pity they did not win a trophy their football deserved. Think we might sneak 2-1 tomorrow.

  24. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 20, 2015, 18:50 #79476

    A bit of a ramble here lads but I hope it is worth the read. In the early seventies I played Sunday League football with Godfrey Batson, Brendon's older brother. We were struggling a bit in Div 1 of the Brentwood Sunday league and Godfrey brought Brendan along to help out. Brendan took us for some training sessions and brought along a couple of really good players to help us keep in the division. Brendan, his brother and his mates also supported our club by attending our fund raising dances. My best mate, who is heavily involved with youth football, kept in touch with Brendan and invited him to give an after dinner speech at an end of season diner dance in the late eighties. Brendon spoke so articulately above his time at Arsenal, Cambridge and West Brom, with some really great anecdotes about Bertie Mee and Ron Atkinson, in particular about how well BM delegated and his ability to know, down to a very fine detail what was going on at the club. However it is his work with the PFA that he will be remembered for and he gave the audience a really great insight to their work. In short I just wanted to say what a top guy he is and how well he seems to grasp football's blueprint for the future. In was no surprise to me that he received an OBE for his services.

  25. Westlower

    Nov 20, 2015, 18:13 #79475

    @mbg It's one of those defining days being wedged between the International break & ECL fixtures mid week. All the top teams will be missing key players & nursing knackered individuals. Ideally, you wouldn't choose to be playing a Tony Pulis team. It's a good opportunity for Chelsea to make up lost ground should the leaders stumble.

  26. mbg

    Nov 20, 2015, 17:55 #79474

    Well here's to the mighty brom rolling over for us tomorrow and letting OGL's little technicians have a field day. If we win tomorrow do we win the league? just wondering like.

  27. jeff wright

    Nov 20, 2015, 17:26 #79470

    That looks like a decent bet Westie at those odds if the blues had been in better form the bookies would have them at much shorter ones. I don't back odds on myself having had my fingers burned doing so .Twice by backing us at odds on . Our defeat to Galatasaray in the Uefa Cup final cost me dear and the one at home to Hull in the league one Saturday night a few years back was another one .How we lost that game god only knows. I'm still brooding over it!

  28. Westlower

    Nov 20, 2015, 17:01 #79467

    @Jeff, I've had a decent bet on CFC at 4/9, skinny odds but I figure an interest rate of 44.4% for 90 minutes is good business. The best ISA's pay less than 2% for 12 months investment.

  29. jeff wright

    Nov 20, 2015, 15:35 #79462

    Westie, the tinker man is carrying on from where Pearson left off the Foxes were producing similar results at the end of last season. I doubt though that they are getting carried away with things and believe they are challenging for the title after 12 games.I can imagine though the euphoria that would surround Vardy on here if he was with us ! Wenger's record against Mourinho is a shocker and there could be even more shocks to come before this season is over. I will be surprised if Mourinho doesn't get all the points at home against Norwich.

  30. Badarse

    Nov 20, 2015, 15:17 #79459

    Yes it was Ron. That old clock just ticks on, doesn't it?

  31. Leggsy

    Nov 20, 2015, 14:52 #79458

    Great stuff , I had forgotton the racist abuse at MUFC ,this was in stark contrast to their visit to Highbury a few days earlier where whilst only winning 2-1 in 1978 West Brom were so good they got a standing Ovation at the end by an apppreciative Highbury crowd !

  32. mbg

    Nov 20, 2015, 14:49 #79457

    Ron, you've just given the AKB's their weekly excuse for their lord and master in case of another embarrassment, Altitude sickness.

  33. Westlower

    Nov 20, 2015, 14:38 #79454

    @Jeff, If you're bored hearing about the stadium move think of it as a financial difference of £1,160,000,000 since the arrival of Abramovich. Word of praise for Claudio Ranieri who left CFC in great shape for Maureen in 2004, after finishing 2nd in PL and knocking AFC out of the ECL 1/4 finals. Our media ridiculed him when he took over at Leicester. He's having the last laugh.

  34. Westlower

    Nov 20, 2015, 14:06 #79448

    Correction to my earlier post. CFC have beaten AFC 5, not 6, times from 11 PL games under Maureen. @Jeff, Thanks for a delicious lunch. Never before have I been served caviar, mutton, lamb, duck, goose & eggs, all washed down with bubbly champagne. Cheers!

  35. Ron

    Nov 20, 2015, 13:54 #79447

    Baddie - it was the day where our supporters all turned up with wads of fake tenners to throw about with Ash Coles face on! You couldn't move for them ha.

  36. Badarse

    Nov 20, 2015, 13:51 #79446

    No, no, no! Not more egg samples, and not yet Easter, with hankie bonnets, bunny Souffles, and chocolate omelettes, plus, 'I shall start thinking in April!' Whatever happened to globular warming and poached eggs Mellors?-"Ahh, milady, it jest be albumen."-'Albuman Mellors, in the singular, and will you please stop poking flowers up my nose?'

  37. jeff wright

    Nov 20, 2015, 13:39 #79444

    The stadium excuse again Westie! Odd that Arsene won at the bridge of sighs in that school playground type let's see who can score the most goals kick-about with the other Portugeezer AVB when he was managing the blues. The alleged stadium debt did not obviously have any impact that day! The ref failing to send of young Chesnay for a blatant GBH on Cashley did though,so sometimes we do get the rub of the green as well in games at the bridge. So stop moaning about it.I never bought into the stadium debt excuse anyway after Diamond Danny rubbished claims that it was impacting on Wenger's ability to buy players. The stadium makes money for the club and has done so since it was built it pays for its self and provides funds for other things as well. Stan is too cunning to have borrowed cash to buy into a lame duck - he knows a golden goose when he sees one and has been busy collecting its eggs .You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs though and under Stan it's just a diet of mutton dressed as lamb every season served up for the customers paying football's highest prices at the Emirates stadium who can only watch in envy as other clubs supporters dine out on caviare and champagne. These supporters also know that titles are not challenged for after 12 games played and that 4th place is not a trophy that your manager celebrates 'winning' like crazy .You couldn't make it up.

  38. Badarse

    Nov 20, 2015, 13:38 #79443

    Remember that last gasp equaliser Ron. Ref didn't blow up for the foul on Alex Hleb, play continued, and the shot came in...1-1. Life can be cruel, but a loaf can never be gruel.

  39. Ron

    Nov 20, 2015, 13:30 #79441

    Hi Tony - good one. Nepal trek must have been brilliant. Westie - we did have a few good performances that went unrewarded v Chelsea under JM. Recall one at the Bridge i went to, a 1-1. Flamini scored and i think it was Essien or could have been Makelele who hit a ferocious belter to equalise? Im sure that was under JM, but cant be sure. We did play a few atrocious matches though too in fairness. I always think the best games v Chelsea are at the Bridge and not at home. Good games generally as are the games v Tottenham. For me, im always pleased, proud really, that Arsenal/Totts and Arsenal/Chelsea are in the main games that are kept to football and not wrestling, spite and feuding as occurs in Mersey derbies quite often and certainly does in red Manc/Liverpool matches. Rarely does a London derby spiral out of control and they didn't (on the pitch anyway!) even in the days of yesteryear either. Its maybe due to being so many Clubs in London and so many derbies each season isnt it. The need to sate a two team fan divide isnt there either. We do seem to have periods with Chelsea where one of the two Clubs wins the games for years. The 60s was a period i recall as a kid where Chelsea used to score as often as they liked for fun and win the games as Tambling and Bridges and Co used to fill their boots. It changed in the early 70s of course but as you say, we went years beating them frequently through the late 80s and 90 s up till the cash flowed in to the Bridge. Theyve obviously ruled the roost this last 10 years.

  40. Westlower

    Nov 20, 2015, 12:52 #79437

    Jeff, you're wandering away from the WBA topic but I will answer your question on recent history of Arsenal v Chelsea results. Chelsea had a period between 30 Sep 1995 to 21 Aug 2005 when they never won a PL game against Arsenal, 19 games in total. In Maureen's first period at CFC, they beat AFC twice in the PL in 6 attempts. Shortly after he was sacked on Sep 19 2007, Arsenal beat CFC 1-0 on 16 Dec 2007. Since his return, CFC have beaten AFC 3 times from 5 games in the PL. Maureen's spells at CFC coincided with Arsenal's weaker period after the stadium move & enabled CFC to win 6 PL games in 11 attempts. In 3 of those seasons CFC were PL champions. JM managed a club where £900,000,000 was overspent & wasn't required to be repaid. AW managed at a club that incurred a debt of £260m that had to be paid off. One had to sell off his best players while the other amassed even more top players. Reverse the managerial roles & an entirely set of results may have occurred. Arsenal beat CFC four times in PL between Maureen's spells in charge (2007-2013) & losing nine times, during the tenure of Grant, Scolari, Hiddink, Ancelotti, AVB, Di Matteo & Benitez.

  41. Tony Evans

    Nov 20, 2015, 12:46 #79436

    Ron - I did know about the Hawthorns being the highest ground in England, and your comment reminded me about a high level trek I did in Nepal when a Wolves supporting mate in our group mentioned it. He was the slowest in the group and my quip 'lucky it isn't Molineux, Alan, as you would miss most of the first half' went down very well!

  42. Ron

    Nov 20, 2015, 11:12 #79433

    Albion have always had a reputation for good football.Really nice Club and knowledgeable fans ive always found. They appreciate seeing good teams who visit the The Hawthorns even when they beat WBA. Nice stadium to visit for away days. Cant go this time, but usually do get up there.Did anyone know that the Hawthorns is geographically the highest stadium in England. Theres a bit of useless info for you for a Friday lads! Albion 1 Arsenal 2 but part of me suspects a 1-1 or even a 0-0 draw. PS Really good post and read Robert. Thank you.

  43. Badarse

    Nov 20, 2015, 10:41 #79432

    A group of friends were out fishing for the day on a boat in the Channel. They were discussing the merits and demerits of McDonald's and Burger King's burgers. The popular consensus amongst them was that McDonald's was slightly superior. Having almost, but not quite, exhausted the subject one piped up with, 'Ah, yes, but what about Pizza Hut's salad?' His name was jeff-they threw him overboard!

  44. jeff wright

    Nov 20, 2015, 10:00 #79428

    Hows Wenger's record against Mourinho's Chelsea West >? These results of the WBA sort always happen ,everyone has been getting results against Chelsea this season in the kleague, apart from us.You just knew after the win over Chelsea in the friendly pre-season game at Wembley that we would come up short again at the bridge of sighs. On the abuse of black players years back it must be said that Chelsea supporters were among the worst culprits for doing it.

  45. Westlower

    Nov 20, 2015, 9:33 #79426

    What a miserable season in was for both teams in 85/86. Although Arsenal finished 7th in the league they only managed to score 49 goals in 42 games & conceded 47. Remarkable fact that WBA were relegated winning only 4 games & Arsenal were still unable to beat them. I'll name & shame the AFC team who played before the die hard crowd of 14,843 at Highbury. Lukic, Anderson, Sansom, Adams, O'Leary, Robson, Rix, Hayes Woodcock (Quinn), Allinson. Wenger has a good record against WBA, winning 17 of 22 encounters, losing only 2.

  46. John F

    Nov 20, 2015, 9:15 #79425

    Great stuff again Robert.For anyone who was not around in the late Seventies it is hard to describe just how bad the racist abuse including the throwing of bananas was.Thankfully only very isolated incidents at Highbury.The West brom team were instrumental in changing attitudes towards black players.To put up with the abuse that they got on a weekly basis and continue producing the marvellous football that they did is a fine testament to their character.

  47. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 20, 2015, 7:52 #79421

    A rip-roaring read again Robert. Excellent stuff.