Arsenal Circular 108

West Brom, Injuries and the threat of Spurs by bullet point



Arsenal Circular 108

Have Spurs finally found a decent manager?


Ed’s Note – Graham Perry sends out his views on matters Arsenal to an email list and is happy for us to reproduce them for a wider audience. What follows is the text from his email sent out earlier today…

Dear Fellow Gunners

A difficult weekend – we lose and suffer further injuries. One point out of six.
Spurs win, receive a good press and lurk just two points behind us.
The soccer season is a marathon and a sprint– the nine month title chase interspersed with many skirmishes along the way.

OK let’s look at three issues –
1. The defeat at WBA
2. Our injuries
3. How do we individually handle the THFC challenge?

FIRST – WBA
We were the better team – we had more shots – we had much more possession.
But each of us knows it counts for nothing if we are a goal light at the final whistle.
On another day we would have won.
But Coquelin was injured and replaced by Arteta who was injured and replaced by Gibbs.
Bellerin seemed to be at fault for their two goals - a big shame because he has done so well but maybe he was not fully fit after being out through injury. Was he rushed back because there were doubts about Debuchy’s form?
The chance for Campbell should have been a goal – maybe he is so keen to shine that he lacked composure and snatched at the chance.
Then Cazorla’s penalty miss – I was bothered at the time as to whether Blunt had got into his head. Maybe he did and disturbed Cazorla’s pre-penalty mind set which is so important – maybe it had nothing to do with the miss and he simply slipped.
Whatever, it was one of those games – they come along and things bounce the wrong way in succession.
We need to be philosophical otherwise football can mess with your head and turn you into a raving lunatic.
Yes – for the second match in succession a win would have taken us to the top and that is our frustration but try not to over-analyse and avoid attaching too much significance to any one win or loss.
It works both ways – I felt we were assisted to the 3-0 win over Man U by the decision of LVG to start with three and not four at the back.
More room for our speedy attackers to exploit.
Similarly we should resist the temptation to exaggerate the significance of our defeat at WBA.
We lost – we do not like losing – it irritates to put it mildly but we are still very much in contention for the Premier title.

SECOND – THE INJURIES
They are bad for the players but they are bad for us too.
Not to put too fine a point on it we, the supporters are quite demoralised by the number of injuries and the length of recovery.
We have to suffer in silence. An injury is an injury. No one feigns them. They happen.
But why do they keep happening? And why do they involve lengthy absences?
It seems we suffer worst and just when we are mounting a real challenge.
Wilshere, Welbeck, Rosicky, Ramsey, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Coquelin and Arteta. Eight players!
We can never be consistently strong because we are consistently fielding weakened teams.
And there is another point – it means the other players are over-played and burn-out takes its toll on the non-injured players.
But why? What is the reason?
None of us are medics so everything we say is uninformed guesswork but the explanation we are entitled to is not forthcoming.
Is it training methods? – Is it poor medical examination prior to transfer? – Is our ground at the Emirates and at the training ground in Shenley simply too good and we suffer when we play away on inferior pitches.
A kind of Walley Barnes in reverse from 1952 FA Cup Final. His ankle twisted in the lush grass of Wembley when he had been used to playing the winter months on hard threadbare surfaces. He hobbled off to the left wing and we lost 0-1 after holding put until the 84th minute.
Is it our style of play?
Why do some clubs seem to be free of the volume of injuries – Chelsea and THFC?
The time has come for us to be told more – we are entitled to know more – why do we carry an injury list so often and for so much longer than our rivals.
With a reasonably fit squad how much better off we would be?
Some say the solution is a bigger squad to compensate for the injuries – which is fine if we have injuries and everybody gets a chance to play.
Maybe Arsene needs to think about that – bigger wage bill, bigger squad, adjusting training programmes but at least an assurance that we can compete.
It is a real problem – really frustrating.

THIRD – SPURS
We hurt ourselves if we are in denial.
Spurs are a coming force. They have a talented manager who has imposed his thinking on his squad. They are young and they play good football.
Whilst we could have beaten them at the Emirates but for Giroud’s misses near the end they could have beaten us in the first half.
We should cast aside pre-conceived judgments, resist the falsity of bragging rights, allow the scales to drop from our eyes and accept reality.
They look stronger than for many a year. They will challenge.
Now some Spurs supporters so frustrated by being number two to us will be over the top and provocative and in your face.
Can you begrudge them? They have seen us successful for a number of years.
It was the same when Spurs shone and our star was dimmed between 1953 and 1970 when Kelly, Radford and Sammels saw us home at Highbury against Anderlecht.
Didn’t we go potty in 1968 when we won the two legged semi-final in the League Cup at the Lane and ditto for 1987 – was it Rocky that knocked in the winner?
Their club management was weak and flawed and for many years. They did so many things wrong. So many poor coaches – is it 13 while Arsene has been with us?
It is just possible they have turned the corner.
Better we accept that they are improving and respect them as serious challengers.
It also makes it easier to handle – takes the wind out of their sails. Reduces the irritation.

Fingers crossed for tonight.


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  1. mbg

    Nov 25, 2015, 20:39 #79773

    Suffolkgooner, good post, i'd have thought that myself at one time and indeed i'm sure we all did, but unfortunately not any more, (thanks to someone who thought he was God) such is our regression, now as far as some are concerned beating and getting the better of the spuds is the height of our ambition and cause for celebration every season. Sad.

  2. Suffolkgooner

    Nov 25, 2015, 18:13 #79766

    From 1953 to 1970 Spurs average league finish was 7.6 to our 8.6 hardly any difference at all.In fact the 1960's is the only decade Spurs have a better average finish to us.You have to do a lot of number gymnastics to really make it into a rivalry which is why I've always thought of Arsenal v Man U as the big one..

  3. Ron

    Nov 25, 2015, 13:36 #79745

    She s a bit of a 'resident' on question time so im told now. Thats where ive seen her. She loves to dominate it with her loud, finger jabbing emptiness. Nauseous. Right Wing scripted voice. Probably reads old Thatcher quotes from Hansard at night wearing her hairnet and terry towelling nightgown. I think she worked in tv yrs ago. Old ATV region?. You might be right for more recently though. Gives the impression she d attend the opening of a bag of crisps if it gave her a photo shoot to be honest.

  4. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 25, 2015, 13:27 #79744

    Ron - she was on last week's question time, and was rubbish as usual. She's got a load of sh*tty opinions and is not afraid to air them. A tory robot and a failed 80s tv "personality". If I may interject on an earlier debate Ron. I thought your description of JW was spot on and it made me titter. It's not often those three words (muppet, little and dense - sounds like it could be an AKB comedy triumvrate) come together to such comic effect, and it's hardly slanderous is it? I'm absolutely sure that the diminutive, felty yet kinda heavy/stocky, frequently injured midfielder has been called worse.

  5. Badarse

    Nov 25, 2015, 13:14 #79741

    Have never caught her on a debate show Ron but know a bit about her. I know she worked in law and was a promoter of Gay Rights so that sits comfortably with me. Will reserve judgement though as one swallow doesn't make a spring mattress, and then we come back to the age old decision, whether to swallow or spit!

  6. Ron

    Nov 25, 2015, 12:49 #79735

    Noted Baddie, though you keep yr body away from mine mate. Mine s been claimed, though it gets more difficult making it function as time passes ha ha!!At least Santa dresses in red and white though and thats one of lifes constants we ve got left at least. As an aside and on politics here s a vacuous, somewhat sinister though very insignificant (thankfully) one for you - Anna Soubry. Have you heard of and seen her? Ive only recently become aware of her. She makes me glad and soothed that i dont get into heavy politicking if shes the voice of our wondrous MPs. Seems an awful woman unless as you say, agitation is her sole reason to exist. She makes me fear for the notion of our womenfolk in politics.

  7. Badarse

    Nov 25, 2015, 12:16 #79732

    A fair and reasoned response Ron-I prefer harmony-rupturing my cruciate was a 'harm o' knee' moment which wasn't so pleasant. Yes we are different, thankfully so, it's the diversity which makes life interesting. However there always has to be agitators and mixers-a Martini needs agitating and a Vera Lynn needs a philharmonic mixer! Sometimes the lone voice, or that of a small group acts as a necessary catalyst without which we would still be sending kids up chimneys. That delight has to be reserved for Father Xmas. As for the Muppets my hero is Kermit-would you believe me if I said I had worked with them-and if I said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me.

  8. Ron

    Nov 25, 2015, 11:58 #79730

    GoonerC - Styles can be changed by good coaching. Gazza is a prime eg of a player who had to change because of injury and did it well. Bryan Robson is another. Terry McDermott another. All had to free themselves of the frenzied approach to playing that JW has. All remained superb players. Can Wilshere? Yes, if he has the coaching and listens as i see it. If he doesnt, he ll remain a bit part player Will he be as good as any of them? Not a chance in my view. 'muppet' - abuse? Really? Dont feign false feelings please. Your horse bolted for that a long time back. Many of yr own descriptions of other posters on here have been quite disgraceful from time to time in the past, never mind your choice of descriptions of other teams players and their fans.

  9. Ron

    Nov 25, 2015, 11:38 #79729

    Baddie - i see many fantastic characteristics in the young people of today. Many of their facets and approaches to life are of a type that those of our generation could certainly have done with and didnt develop. Diff times and circs and course. Its dead easy to make broad brush generalisations about the young, society, politics and politicians of course. As far as our younger people go i happen to think the future is in good hands but we re all entitled to see it differently of course. Much of the downbeat, sullen and edgy perceptions of such things are espoused by those of a left leaning too. It must be a dark place over there ive always thought. There are sinister elements in life and people of any epoch. Im as apolitical as ever i can be. My way is to recognise that life s too short to spend it teeth gnashing and hand wringing over those things that you raise. I prefer the positives life creates. Like you though, i see elements of the same all of the time, but theyre insignificant. Not going into my background on here, nor where my life s shown me what men and so called statesmen can do to each other, but all that stuff you mention ie Cameron, Blatter et all on Baddie is so insignificant and small beer in the greater scheme of things. Pin pricks in a sponge in fact. They are truly irrelevant people, just as you and i are.3 Meanwhile, good win last night. At least the last game has some meaning now. The group stages of the CL arent really my cup of tea and nor is the tournament as a whole to be honest, but it ll be good to see if they can get that 2 goal win. I have some doubts though. Defending will be as much or even more important than attacking v Olympiakos that night i suspect. COYG.

  10. Bard

    Nov 25, 2015, 9:52 #79725

    Tony Pepe; I dont know about sleeping but you need to wake up mate. The stadium was about three quarters full last night and the atmosphere was flat !!! Also read Kevin Gartside in the Indie about how Arsenal have exchanged sporting competition for financial gain. Routine win last night enjoyed Ozil. But why were we busting a gut when we were 3-0 up and why keep Sanchez on ? Coq out for 3 months but make that the rest of the season. Same old same old.

  11. Westlower

    Nov 25, 2015, 8:38 #79724

    Arthur Websters X1 3 - Dopies 0. Ozil is King. 10/1 to be PFA Player of the Year. Alexis Sanchez is 4/1 favourite.

  12. Tony Evans

    Nov 25, 2015, 8:34 #79723

    Good morning to you Badarse - agreed Ozil played a blinder and it is set up nicely for the game in Greece.

  13. Suffolkgooner

    Nov 25, 2015, 8:34 #79722

    I must have somehow missed spurs being better than us in the fifties and the late sixties to be honest.From what I've seen of the current spurs team is that they close down well are ok in possession a bit dull to watch and are a little better than West Ham.

  14. Badarse

    Nov 25, 2015, 8:26 #79721

    Good morning Nick and Tony Evans-no belly aches today guys! Mesut is a joy to watch. @Ron well I don't act as a judge, jury and executioner chum, but occasionally my views bubble forth. They are a careful analysis of years/incidents of the personalities and behavioural patterns. True all are exempt at the moment and power lends itself to the outcomes. My view on Blatter and Platini is a general view that they are now 'toxic' so whatever the judgement they are finished. Cameron is almost above the law in his shenanigans-there would always be a fall guy between him and a dirty place. You are a lucky man if you see no fractures in society with the young-I do not condemn, I just think the kids today are battling uphill-but your aggressive positions on matters is also something you clearly cannot contend with either. Anyway good old Arsenal.

  15. Ozzie

    Nov 25, 2015, 4:25 #79720

    JW, after reading your posts you leave me little to say. No doubt you save me a mountain of typing so, thanks. Couldn't agree more, Ron 84361 - my views exactly. hmm, think i'll keep quiet...........

  16. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 24, 2015, 23:52 #79719

    Ron, with all due respect, you are making an assumption on an interview on the tv and an assumed tete a tete with the great McLintock. His style is his style and is hard to change no matter what anyone says. Of course he was going to be defensive, his frustration was the obvious take from that question from Kamara. As for Scholes he was a fantastic player who couldn't tackle to save his life, I suggest you see how many red and yellow cards he got from bad tackling technique. As for calling him a muppet, that is still harsh, in my opinion. We all want our kids to be good citizens and polite etc yet that isn't a reason to abuse him. As for tonight, it was straightforward and sets up the final winner take all game. Not a great record in Greece but almost every previous time we have played there has been nothing on it as we had already qualified. More players returning is a bonus too. Europe beckons, whatever the level and I for one will embrace it as I said earlier if it is the Europa. But we don't do anything easy so a win in Greece is more than likely. Oziil and Alexis are a joy to watch.

  17. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 23:38 #79718

    Apparently the Arsenal team and their manager are still in the stadium, being held back by the drugs squad and testers, while a sniffer dog goes through their lockers.

  18. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 23:18 #79717

    Poor Coldsoreboy boy still disturbed with, and raving about the word their, and my use of it, and still he hasn't caught on, it just keeps going right over his head, it's not right laughing.

  19. jeff wright

    Nov 24, 2015, 22:44 #79716

    Fairly predictable result tonight in a game that will have done nothing to convince the neutral viewer that these sort of group games are worth paying to watch. Everything was set up for the Arsene's tippy tappy to work against modest opponents offering no threat on the perfect pitch . These games = convincing home wins .While away games on not such perfect pitches against modest opponents who put up a fight often = no wins. Mathematical equations now enter events for Arsene , after Pep made sure he was the governor of the group so by avoiding Suarez and the other Barcelona boys in the next round by thumping the Greeks again. I don't think that Olympiacos will be any walk over for us though at home - if it was just a straight win it would still be difficult enough ,what with pressure on and all that, but needing to win by two goals makes things a bit tougher still.With Wenger's record in Athens not being anything special . Let's hope that the players keep their eyes on the ball so to speak in the Prem ,where they have not been getting any strolls in the park recently like tonight's tete a tete was. Just in case we do end up in the Ropey.

  20. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 22:18 #79715

    Exeter, that's why so many on here smack his arse and keep him in check, if he had his way everyone on here would be talking about everything apart from Arsenal, wenger, and football.

  21. tony pepe

    Nov 24, 2015, 21:49 #79714

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha worry about the spurs is like worrying about winning the lottery........ jeeeeez this site is becoming more and more and more about everything that the Arsenal does not represent. I sleep OK unlike many others. Hello badarse, westie and GCB. Hope you are sleeping good. See you all Sunday.

  22. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 21:47 #79713

    Ron, couldn't agree more, (are we/i allowed to do that? ) obviously his old fraud of a managers arrogance has rubbed off on him.

  23. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 21:37 #79712

    Something wrong here Something very suspicious indeed, Arsenal and TOF winning 3-0 in Europe ? lets hope their not taking drugs.

  24. Ron

    Nov 24, 2015, 21:19 #79710

    Baddie - Yr falling for the media s desire for the blood of Platini and Blatter. Neither are yet proven guilty of anything and may not be so and while i agree with you on yr perception of Coe as a man, he s not proven guilty of corruption either. Yr dismissal of my views on Wilshere handed out on one hand, yet yr wilfully defaming people on the other. Its double standards there isnt it? A gentle nudge here, but you ought to be more careful. Its an innocuous site we re on here, but the law on defamation has evolved greatly in the last 3 years. The web is no longer a licence to defame and be damned.

  25. Ron

    Nov 24, 2015, 21:03 #79709

    GoonerC/Baddie - 'All' youngsters dont think they know it all Baddie, not at all. Perhaps the ones you know differ? Ive 2 Sons and a step Daughter and all have had to take a lot of advice from more experienced people at various times to better and further their own careers and im pleased to say all have in the main. Arrogance isnt a refusal to change the style Baddie, its the refusal to accept that many more more experienced people almost certainly know more than Wilshere does, who have advised him on how perhaps to cure a stark staring reason why his careers in constant statis with good intentions. He is and sounds dense when he was on Goals on Sunday and it was put fairly to him that perhaps his own preferred style 'worked against him'. Kami asked him in a most respectful way to which Wilshere became frosty defensive and and dismissive, quite surly in fact. Its recently been revealed too that that McLintocks words fell on deaf ears too. Thats archetypal arrogance and the behavior of a fool, yes a muppet. AFC in my view would b better off without him. Yr view on Scholes isnt really a view GC. PS is oft stated by some of Europes finest players to have been one of the best of his generation. Give me one Paul Scholes for half a dozen Jack Wilsheres thank you mate. Its such as Wilshere and the Clubs long standing patience with him that invites the pressure on Wenger.

  26. Th14afc

    Nov 24, 2015, 20:44 #79708

    Way too easy which makes it seem more unbelievable that we lost to these over in Zagreb...still think Europa beckons after match day 6,we'll see....anyway all good at half time- gunners 2 dope heads 0

  27. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 19:22 #79707

    Tony Evans, I agree we'll win tonight, for reasons I've already underlined, some even think we'll beat them well such is their confidence, depending on how many drugs they take before hand though if any, lets hope OGL has a sniffer dog in the dressing room we wouldn't want to use that as another excuse if things go pear shaped.

  28. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 19:08 #79706

    Bard, well said, it's sad alright that the height of our ambition now is staying above and finishing above the spuds (well not all fans ambition) and we all know why that is and who it's down to, but it's also just another way of wengerites to cover, and covering up for OGL's failures and embarrassments making a big thing of getting one over the spuds by beating them, and then celebrating like there's no tomorrow finishing above them as if we've won something when they should have been a distant memory and left behind years ago, again we know why that hasn't happened.

  29. Exeter Gunner

    Nov 24, 2015, 18:30 #79705

    Badarse - has it occurred to you that people may be talking about AW and drugs on this site rather than what Cameron or Coe are up to because it's an Arsenal site?

  30. Badarse

    Nov 24, 2015, 18:21 #79704

    Ron, that was a slip, wasn't it? goonercolesyboy nailed you on that one. Seriously buddy, you have to rein in the personality bit. Jack is a product of today-virtually all the youngsters think they know it all...look at you! His style is a big problem though, as you say. Quite a number have seen it too. We have talked before on this subject. Sadly it is difficult to change an inherent failing-look at me! Coq did what he did out of instinct. As a young player in a 5 a side league I found myself outside the opponents area. I went to ground after a collision-challenge. I remember seeing the ball spinning on the spot after two of us had come together. I wanted to keep the ball in the danger zone and stretched my leg, just getting my toes to the ball as the defender booted it to the other end of the hall. The pain was white hot and I thought my foot had gone with the ball to the other end. I tore the ligaments in my ankle and it still balloons every time I hurt it. Stupid, but guess I might do the same again if I could play. Jack will probably go his entire career being unable to alter that particular trait. By the way Lord Coe, who I coincidentally linked with my concept of corruption, is going to be grilled again for conflict of interests over his involvement with Nike. Interesting as he's the IAAF President; no way back for Blatter and Platini, B-Liar and Bush in Iraq, Cameron in bed with Coulson and Murdoch, and yet people want to make capital of AW opening the lid on drug-taking. It's like Whipsnade, there are so many giraffes on this site.

  31. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 24, 2015, 17:32 #79703

    "A dense arrogant little muppet". I think that is harsh Ron, say it to his face not on a forum please. Yes he isn't bright, but not many footballers are. Arrogant is an interesting one, because he won't change his style? Other reasons? Little is accurate. Muppet is also harsh, but I guess you threw that in just to round out your characterisation of him? Scholes is a pundit so what's to learn from him, conveniently the worst tackler ever, don't you think? As it stands the league is wide open, in fact even now every club is challenging for the title, mathematics tells us that. S***s fans are scum, stabbed a West Ham fan on Sunday, not that their fans are angels. I really hope the stadium build sticks them in the ****e. Yes a promising manager with a young team but Kane will be sold as will Delle Alli to Madrud or Barca to help with the funding. Lloris will go to PSG and that will be that. It will be interesting to see how the mood is on here tomorrow should we win tonight setting up the last match or if we lose/draw and end up out of Europe or in the Europa league. Personally of course CL progression, but I would want us to take the challenge of winning the Europa seriously. A trophy is not to be ignored and winning it like Sevilla sets up CL next season. Debuchy with Bellerin in front, Flamini with Santi, Gibbs with Campbell in front, Gabriel with Kos, Ozil and Giroud. Rest Alexis, Ramsey on the bench too, give him 25 minutes at the end.

  32. jeff wright

    Nov 24, 2015, 17:32 #79702

    Yes mbg,defeats are quickly glossed over as it being one of those days or nights - while on the other-hand victories such as over United in the Prem are celebrated as being proof that Arsene knows best and a corner has been turned. These corners are turned so often by Wenger that it's a wonder he doesn't get dizzy.The usual reality check soon arrived in Europe though when we played BM away and now Wenger needs them to do him a favour what a clot he is . Also despite the wins over United and Leicester they are above us in first and second place in the Prem while we languish in 4th spot having only managed a paltry one point from our last two games. All of this drug malarkey from Wenger is just another smoke-screen to try and divert attention away from the realities of our poor results.Drugged Zagreb players or not we should have been able to beat them anyway and what does that have to do with our poor defending.Were BM on drugs and WBA as well ,you are right you couldn't make it up.The fact that so many of our supporters want us to lose tonight so as to be able to concentrate on the Prem shows how much faith they have in Wenger in Europe ! Of course in their minds they know it's all about getting a top 4 place in the Prem but with the spuds lurking ,Liverpool on the up and Chelsea also desperate to get a top 4 place it's already as Sir Ferguson put it,squeaky bum time.

  33. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 17:16 #79699

    jw, another good post, a proper post, which brings me nicely to the answer for DannyMacKay, Arrogance mate, pure and simple along with his ego, he thinks he knows best, and can't see, and wont be told, he will bumble on doing it his way, as jw says he thought he could turn water into wine, and still thinks it along with his disciples.

  34. Ron

    Nov 24, 2015, 17:03 #79698

    Hi SK. Im right with you re The Foxes as you know. We know its unlikely but how refreshing for footie if it happened. Seeing the egg on the cartel Clubs collective faces would be some thing to savour indeed. They have a really though programme of fixtures between now and Xmas though. Their resources will be tested to the max. How long can JV carry on? Its a big risk him in there without a break isn't it. I think for them, its how they handle a couple of set backs that will determine their Season. Ive a few Foxes fan friends still over in Loughboro from way back to when i was a youth, who are walking so tall. Its great to see fans of a medium sized Club enjoying it. Quite envy them really in a silly footie like way!! Its a Club that has a smile on its face though, even when theyre struggling. An implosion wdt by any means knock them out of orbit.

  35. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 17:01 #79697

    jw, good post, of course we'll win tonight (but it wont come as a surprise to many if we're embarrassed again with doping excuses being bandied about already, ironic isn't it) there's no pressure nothing to play for, TOF's little bearded technicians can play tippy tappy to their hearts content and put on a good show with the cart horse getting one or two, and we'll be up and running yet again (did ever you see a team that falls down and gets back up again as much as us ? it looks like there's only one team or manager on drugs) and then we'll hear how we played with great freedom (yes of course we would) and showed great speeritt and mental strength, until the next time when there's pressure, and tactic's and proper management called for and the inevitable happens. You couldn't make it up.

  36. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 24, 2015, 16:50 #79696

    When you play possession football you invite more tackles against you as opponents try to break up your rhythm so that in itself causes more chances of an injury. The Coq tackle was, as described by many, a tackle he should have left, on the goal line by all means stretch but it was in a position of no real danger so all he had to do was re group. Our players are in general of slight build and I think that is a factor but as Ron says about Wilshere he is his own worse enemy and if he does not change he will go the same way as Diaby. Regarding THFC, they are definitely a proper team now but it is the DNA of the Spuds that will do for them, 5th place again. I honestly think Chelsea will get above both Arsenal & Tottenham simply because they have a better manager. Come on the Foxes turn the PL on it's head!

  37. Ron

    Nov 24, 2015, 16:24 #79695

    In Wilsheres case Bard, he injures himself. Various pundits have commented upon his manner of playing ie holding the ball for too long and wild tackles that causes it for him. Non other than Frank McLintock has apparently told him time and time and again to alter his style. Wilsheres response has hitherto been to ignore FMcL and only recently has add he has no intention to change! Well, of course Wilsheres wondrous honour laden record in football makes Franks look poor as we all know so i suppose the coaches at Arsenal have to bow to his whim. My thoughts and views? Hes a dense arrogant little muppet whos nowhere nr being the player his hype attracts and never will be, plus hes rarely plays and thus barely contributes. Solution - get him fit and sell him to the highest bidder. We ve seen what he is, he ll become no better and Scholes was bang on, hes no different or better now than when he was 17. Walcott? I for one cdt care less if he never played for AFC again. Sell to the highest bidder too. The Ox could be some player. He s always asked to play in compromised roles even when he is fit. A different Coach could reap the best from the Ox in my view. Ramsey? Hes very useful on his good days but only in sporadic periods. Im guessing Utd were pleased they missed out on him.

  38. Bard

    Nov 24, 2015, 15:55 #79694

    Graham a touch of the Simon Rose's here. Frankly couldnt care less about the spuds. if finishing above them is the limit of our ambition its a sad indictment of the club. As Baddie has suggested as well as being a top coach ( please note Colseyboysetc) I am also a medical man of some distinction. Jack , Rambo, Wally, Ox and more recently Arteta, miss at least half the games played per season and have done for years. This is what is called injury prone. not bad luck but injury prone. it means they are likely to miss the same number of games next season and the season after. Jonathan Woodgate, Owen Hargreaves et al are part of this elite group as was dear old Abou. If you keep them on the books you end up with a small and overstretched squad and then you pick up other injuries because other players are overplayed. It is a very difficult thread for some to follow I know but if you concentrate it will make sense.

  39. Tony Evans

    Nov 24, 2015, 14:51 #79688

    This years Premiership title race might actually be exciting, being more than the usual one or two horse race. Even the Spuds do look equipped to at least offer some sort of challenge but you can usually rely on them to fall by the wayside sooner or later. The Leicester story is great for football (and bad for the media circus which makes it even better) and I would love it if they can keep it going. As for tonight I fully expect us to win and set up a potentially exciting final group match in Greece; and excitement and CL Group Stage are not two words that usually feature in the same sentence!

  40. jeff wright

    Nov 24, 2015, 14:36 #79687

    Wenger's got antecedents going back to the 98 side when he signed Overmars who had suffered a bad injury that was putting off clubs from buying him.regarding him signing players who have a poor injury record. Wenger who is, despite his frugal nature with money, a chancer in other matters, gambled on Overmars coming good again and he won .The problem is that Wenger as with him turning Henry into a striker then decided that this proved that he can not only walk on water but turn it into wine as well and that's how we end up with the Kalstrom's and Sanago's . Pale ale when we need champagne. Ale is of course cheaper than Champers.

  41. mbg

    Nov 24, 2015, 14:33 #79686

    Graham, you should be looking at only one issue, the main issue a past it manager, Although your spot on about the third one, especially where the bit where you say their club management was week and flawed for many years, they did so many things wrong, just insert is, he, does and your talking about ours, funny how it has come full circle. But be careful this talking up the spuds will have the AKB's telling you to f**k off and support them such is their devotion to him.

  42. Ron

    Nov 24, 2015, 13:52 #79683

    Im not sure theres any mystery regarding this injury stuff. Modern science, medical knowledge and technology just detects physical risk and impending injuries now and in case of actual injury tells of fullextent therefore preventative action by the Club is taken earlier. Yrs gone by Club filled players up with jab and steroids with alarming efffects on players in later life.

  43. Badarse

    Nov 24, 2015, 13:23 #79682

    Thanks Graham, interesting article. Think the first two subjects have been done to death, but here is my two penn'rth. Injuries happen. Theo ruptured a knee ligament on our hallowed pitch with no one else injuring him, just his own twist and turn. This happens often on all different surfaces, Bobby Pires, Edu x 2, even I did it. Coq lost the ball, tried to retrieve it, didn't have his weight behind the attempt and the impact stretched and tore some fibres-I knew it instinctively. As westlower keeps pointing out, we are not alone in this, but also a player that holds the ball regularly gets kicked-ergo more injuries. Cannot work out how anyone should know if a lad of say sixteen is going to be injury prone, alternatively a player having had some injuries then perhaps doesn't thereafter-think we need to consult Bard on this one. Training will be very similar across the board, and our board is highly trained, some are lowly trained and we call them Underground trains. See mbg for his views on the subject of training. I know Ron prefers coaches to trains. Sours? It's why I was delighted with Gibbsy's equaliser, they are a threat, then so are Everton, so stay focussed and just play your own game. Om!

  44. Westlower

    Nov 24, 2015, 12:51 #79680

    I concur with Ron that Spurs will fade away once they start hemorrhaging money on the new stadium - could even be relegated in the next 5 years. It ain't easy moving stadiums folks as you will find out. @jj Pulis's pragmatism earned them one shot on target, he got lucky!

  45. Ron

    Nov 24, 2015, 12:26 #79679

    Sppurs are looking a lot better than for a along time and theyre a possibility for the top 4. Liverpool are as well and when push comes to shove Liverpool are better i think. Its gets no better for either Club than that and if Leics do fall away, to be honest i reckon Chelsea will fill the gap, not Spurs or Liverpool.Spurs supporters should be pleased theyve got a decent Coach at last. Levy had to appoint one eventually. Thers some thing about Spurs though that just seems to run through the Clubs veins which makes being ordinary their perma state, with the odd glimpse of promise every so often, but with non achievement the inevitable outcome. I dont dislike Tottenham as much as some, its the supporters that test my sentiment towards the Club. The fact is though that there isnt room in North london for two thriving Clubs and sadly for Spurs fans, its never going to be them in the modern game. The new stadium they ll have may well change things, but it will be typical Tottenham if the Club spirals into all sorts of crises while they undertake the task of redeveloping. I just cant see them handling that smoothly.

  46. DannyMackay

    Nov 24, 2015, 12:25 #79678

    On the injury list - you have to wonder how a manager who overhauled English football with fitness regimes when he first arrived has not addressed a long injury list. It isn't all about luck. Spurs used to have the longest injury list season after season. Some players are injury prone, and maybe they need selling and replacing with others who are not. That means needing fewer players across the squad, and thus means more money for better quality. That seems to be what Spurs have done - no longer buying Jonathan Woodgates on the cheap, and instead buying players who have no record of recurring injuries. Maybe the style of play or training set up is an issue too. It didn't used to be 10 years ago. Maybe the raising of the tempo by other sides (like Spurs) has meant arsenal players are stretched more than they once were though. It is notable that Arsenal seem to get a lot of injuries during games rather than on the training ground.

  47. jjetplane

    Nov 24, 2015, 12:20 #79677

    The injury list is a smokescreen and when you present that list are any of those players title chasers? They have all had an easy ride under Wenger's poor football management and have spent the best of their months lying on their packets and getting paid nicely for it. (Un)Welbeck has to be the cream of that crocked lot as he was offloaded from a rival because he is not fit for purpose. You forgot one word also regarding the Baggie's win and that is pragmatism. Pulis has always had it in shedloads and Wenger's lack of it (too soft and darkly emotive) is proved by the lack of trophies over a decade except two which were only won against clearly inferior opponents on the day. Wont bother with the Spuds but their manager having cemented a level of quality at the Saints is now getting down to serious business. Does not matter where they have been for years as the case of Leicester proves. With Klopp also showing the way on player treatment top four as never looked so hard for an non-pragmatic, unprepared, arrogant club who wish to blame the world for it's self-created woes. Very shallow indeed but everyone has known that for a decade. Think this PL is shaping up nicely for once in a blue moon (sic) but Wenger looks like he is on the outside looking in. he has been duly found out and now everyone is happily ignoring him because the news is elsewhere. You would imagine the missing Marx brother Stan would be wanting a bit of that old razzamatazz at the Wok with the leaking roof. Cheerleaders and the injured could have one of those hot dog races at half time in customised mobility scooters. Missing a trick there.

  48. jeff wright

    Nov 24, 2015, 11:53 #79676

    A lot of ifs and buts and we could have won on another day involved in this article or comments but then again as we know only too well we are just as capable of losing on another day . Things have evened themselves out somewhat in the league table and we are in 4th place because that is where we belong while Leicster are at the top of the table having won the points to be there. If they wil still be top after the next 5 or 6 games is however another matter . We got the rub of the green against struggling Swansea and on another day Monk's men might have beaten us or got a draw,in fact they have done so on other days. It must be said as well that we were fortunate to nick a point at home to the spuds and on another day they might have held on but their dreaded Thursday night Ropey Cup heroics caught up with them in the second half and as they wilted we having had an extra-days rest and with nooe having broken into a sweat in our midweek game got stronger and scored a messy sort of goal to equalize but as they say it's a results game and what might have been is irrelevant. So 4th place is where we are and more than likely where we will end up come May . As I predicted a few weeks ago it's going to get mighty crowded at the top in the battle for a top 4 place... ... I expect us to win tonight but in truth I can't see us having any hope of winning the European Cup because teams like Barcelona and Bayern Munich are so much better than us and better than the other Prem sides as well. My guess is that Wenger is hoping to scrape through into the next round in the CL for the money involved and to try and put some spin on things by claiming association with the top sides makes us one as well. He has been performing this trick for donkey's years . The other factor is that by qualifying for the next European Cup round we avoid the Thursday night Ropey . Although we are only really Europa Cup class anyway. However,Wenger would rather no one noticed this, so the great illusion of playing in the Champions League continues - even though Wenger gets embarrassed in it every season his 8m a year wages that Stan stuffs into his greedy paws for having made the group stages and earned the big bucks from it helps to compensate for the humiliations that anyone with more self awareness than flaky Arsene would have long ago shied away from. In any case Wenger is relying on Pep to save him with the incompetent fool having made a complete mess of our Euro campaign again. You couldn't make it up.

  49. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 24, 2015, 11:48 #79675

    Paul Spur - reading your brand of mythology on here makes a change (albeit not a pleasant one) from the deluded few who claim AW is still a football manager. A few counterpoints to your claims: Spud ascendancy has been promised/threatened for so long that it's going some to remember the last time you had a better/more successful team than us. I'm pretty objective and I reckon it was in about 1984/85. THAT'S 30 YEARS AGO MATE. Hope you're reading this and feeling similarly embarrassed Finsbury Joe. You're "up and coming" whatever that means - that's been said by your club for so long and on so many other false dawns that it lacks a little credibility n'est-ce pas? I remember just after the clock end was finished at the home of football, we had the delight of beating you at home (again!). Guess what happened next? Yes, your mates trashed the loos and the back of the stands. So get off your cockerel or your high horse or whatever it is you ride around on in the wastelands of tottingham. You've got a good manager there - I preferred Juande Ramos and Chritian Gross of course. But I suspect he'll be poch-king his bags soon and will be off to Spain, rather than stay at a club who'll have the money handbrake on in order to pay the builders. Finally, I agree, none of that naughty vandalism stuff is necessary but it happens. That your lot are disliked across London suggests that Spuds sin more than they are sinned against. What do you think of Arsene Wenger by the way? I'd be really interested to hear.

  50. Westlower

    Nov 24, 2015, 11:41 #79674

    Graham, Keep perspective in all your judgement's & be careful not to fall foul of the medias flavour of the week reporting. Yes, our neighbours are having a relatively good season, yet have won 2 fewer PL games than AFC. They have failed to beat us in 2 attempts this season. Should they beat CFC at the weekend, and I doubt they will, they will become contenders. The current assessment by the independent arbitrators is that they are 20/1 to win the PL compared to AFC at 2/1. Translated that means they have a 4.7% chance, AFC have a 33.3% chance. AFC don't have a monopoly on injuries, it just feels like it. Newcastle & Man U have more than us & Liverpool the same. Coq brought about his own injury by diving in for a ball he'd lost. It happens. Nothing to do with training regimes or doctors. With ball retention comes the opportunity to be tackled more often. Technical players will always have the ball more than the pub team players. The hairy arsed tacklers earn their keep by crunching the technicians. It's just how it is. Would I want to watch a Sam Allardyce team week in, week out? No thanks! Should we sign a shed load of new players and loan them out Chelsea style -maybe?

  51. Paul Spur

    Nov 24, 2015, 10:50 #79673

    I wouldn't bother accepting and respecting us to take the wind out of our sales if I were you. This has been so long coming that, even if it's not this season, it will happen eventually and we will make the most of it. What you could perhaps do is stop vandalizing our stadium and tell that injury-prone gob****e to stop insulting us at every given opportunity. It really isn't necessary.