A Costly Sunday at Norwich

Online Ed: Two points dropped, two more players injured



A Costly Sunday at Norwich


In spite of being only two points off the lead, the wheels look to be coming off Arsenal’s Premier League campaign after a fairly disastrous November which saw two draws and a defeat. It was not so much the two dropped points that will cost the Gunners dear, but the likely effect of losing Alexis Sanchez.

The only change from what had been an excellent display against Zagreb in midweek saw Aaron Ramsey start instead of Joel Campbell. Arsenal looked in control of the game as Norwich sat off, condensing the play into a 30 yard area in the home side’s half for much of the time. It was really a case of waiting for the first goal to open the game up.

However, before that, Laurent Koscielny was injured and replaced by Gabriel. No great disaster as the Brazilian has generally shown himself to be a committed and competent defender. Up front, Sanchez and Ozil were combining nicely, and in the end, the pair created the opening goal, a sublime through ball from the Chilean setting up Ozil for a chip over the onrushing Ruddy. That is the quality that you can get when you spend money, I reflected. Both players were shoved into cameramen by the Norwich players within a few minutes, and it was a wonder that neither was injured when that happened. I seem to recall Mathieu Debuchy missing an extended period through being shoved off the pitch, from memory against Stoke. Refs often seem very lenient in such situations.

Norwich predictably became more adventurous and equalized shortly before half time. Aaron Ramsey and Gabriel were both culpable, although Thierry Henry also blamed the decision of the backline not to push up once the Welshman was beaten. The timing of the goal was awful. It could have been worse though, the Canaries missing a gilt-edged chance before the half time whistle.

The second half saw Norwich inviting Arsenal on, hoping for a breakaway goal. Sanchez pulled up with a hamstring injury and was removed from the fray. No-one knows how long he will be out. The player has played a lot of matches this season, without having a proper summer break due to the Copa America. Something like this could have been foreseen, but would resting him for a game here or there have made any difference? Arsenal’s problem is that their existing injury list means that the alternatives to playing him have been on the treatment table much of the time. Still, the number of pulls and strains, over a few seasons, is no co-incidence. The club claim to be at the cutting edge of modern injury treatment and avoidance but there seems little proof to back this up.

One fears that should the Chilean miss more than a month, the Gunners will find it very difficult to challenge for the title come May. There is a huge danger that too much ground might be lost. Seven points out of the last nine have been dropped with Alexis in the team. It doesn’t augur well.

The second half was wet and windy and all a bit random. The service to Giroud was questionable. Arsenal finished the game registering a total of three shots on target. Against a relegation threatened team, that simply isn’t title-winning form. Norwich have lost at home to Crystal Palace, Leicester and West Brom in the league this season.

The November blues continue, but at least the month is done for another season. Sunderland at home next weekend should be three points. Arsenal are still in contention, but have they got enough players to remain so?

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. Nick

    Dec 02, 2015, 10:57 #80098

    Badarse, you don't have the capacity to touch a nerve " chum" , your need to have the last word ( or thousnad or so) points to a deep lying insecurity, I do not dismiss those whose opinions differ to mine i DO dismiss those who OFFER no opinion other than simply denigrating those of us who do have a reasoned argument, i posit that our injury crisis ( a long running seasonal event) and.our.lack.of an answer to it and failure to insure against it despite overwhelming evidence that such insurance will be needed is down to bad management., that is not " bleating" it is a genuine concern for how the club love is being run,now if.you wish to debate that opinion i will willingly do so, but if as i suspect you merely wish to indulge in your Tolstoy length Freudian essays i will thank you all the same feel.inclined to.pass on such a pointless and frankly coma inducing exercise. Apologies for the smattering.of unintended , sausage thumb.induced full stops , that litter this post .

  2. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 02, 2015, 8:50 #80094

    Badarse - you've been rattled by someone haven't you, o bonobo...take a sedative, man.

  3. Badarse

    Dec 02, 2015, 8:24 #80092

    So AKBest, you demand a one word answer and react because you don't get compliance. Who says you call the shots chum? Like your political rants you corrupt issues clarion calls for the left and acting like a right wing clown. I will stop now as it seems monosyllabic words may be your limit of comprehension, and constructed arguments just fogs you. Think I will give up on you as a failure. So, 'Na, na, na, naaa, na!'

  4. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 01, 2015, 19:32 #80079

    Badarse - fail! One monosyllabic word and you come out with that. I believe that you're pathologically incapable of writing pithy, readable prose. Try harder next time.

  5. mbg

    Dec 01, 2015, 18:17 #80075

    Ron, good post, I suppose we've something to thank TOF for after all.

  6. Badarse

    Dec 01, 2015, 17:50 #80072

    Oh, AKBest, you are so silly. Do you believe that by just saying something it makes it so? That's playground stuff. Ooh, you are not funny. Everyone owns you. My Dad can fight your Dad. You did manage to throw in an insult though-'blowhard', which should be taboo, so right back at you, clown. Do you think I might be enjoying this?

  7. Badarse

    Dec 01, 2015, 17:33 #80071

    Interesting corruption of the posts Nick. Seems like I was the one that hit the nerve fella, just calm down a bit. I was quite jovial in my post, you began your post with an insult and reacted quite strongly-that's synonymous with a raw nerve being touched, I think. Your corruption continues-see my other post regarding the echo chamber in your mind-by promoting your view as the correct one, and then you badmouth anyone who might hold an alternative view. You continued to rant in your personal vacuum by trying to denigrate me. Soliloquies are just audible thoughts, and typing conveys thoughts in much the same way. You know it's all about communicating and understanding-some people are just different. Why I told my uncle in Yorkshire a joke, and he didn't laugh at all; whydo you think? A different sense of humour? No, he was 250 miles away and couldn't hear me!

  8. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 01, 2015, 17:00 #80067

    oooh badarse. I couldn't be bovvered to read your latest post cos it looked boring and too long. Any chance of a one-word precis for me and MBG cos we're too busy putting you and Arsenal to rights. Ideally also in a word of 1 syllable. There's a challenge you old blowhard... Everyone's owning you these days - time for your testimonial game against one of the old firm...and certainly not hamilton academical

  9. Nick

    Dec 01, 2015, 16:30 #80063

    Badarse did I hit a nerve ? The army "quote" was as you well know, an attempt to put Wengers inadequate transfer window into context, I did not identify myself as a bleater, again as you well know, what I did do was make in my opinion a compelling argument against Wengers policy of make do and mend, sorry should I have written it in the style of a soliloquy or perhaps as " some" attempt.on here in the manner of a want to be satirist whose actual abilities fall far short of that which he aspires to, ive paid my dues " chum " in the past and now, to criticise, constructively is not" bleating" to accept passively what has transpired at our club these last ten years is as I pointed out earlier to have your head stuck firmly up your arse. I do not expect Arsenal to win titles no team has a divine right to do so, but I damm well do expect a club with the highest ticket prices in football, one of the highest paid managers and a policy of charging simply to gi on a waiting list for the season ticket waiting list, to bloody well make a good fist of CHALLENGING for said honours,when teams like Bayern Munich strengthen a side that is already probably the best in Europe yet Wenger refuses to do the same to a team that is not even pretenders to those heights , then I think all gooners are entitled to voice their concerns, without people that are so far up their own backside that that they can brush theirs teeth and wipe their arse at the same time rubbishing their efforts and casting sly aspersions, don't you ?

  10. mbg

    Dec 01, 2015, 14:27 #80057

    Nick, good post, First Post of the day for Christmas, but Bojangles pushed you close.

  11. mbg

    Dec 01, 2015, 14:17 #80056

    And here was us thinking OGL designed the pitches and was out in his willies laying the sods and sowing grass seed so they'd look like, feel, and play just like the Emirates, (that he ensures is cut and watered just as he instructs and likes it). Ah well if the worst comes to the worst we can always build stables on them after all we have plenty of jockeys.

  12. jjetplane

    Dec 01, 2015, 13:04 #80045

    Well said as usual RON and like yourself I still love the game and try to do at least one game a week and am also happy following a team in the 9th tier. It kind of reminds me of the thrill of watching when you was a kid and it did not take a mortgage to get you in the ground. The quality of the PL is not worth some of the prices and Arsenal have been extremely pedestrian to watch over the past decade with no real individual stand outs and only a couple of players who in all honesty were surplus to requirements at the clubs they were at. I do not really imagine Arsenal were on the radar for Sanchez or Ozil before their agents flagged them up. It is a dull sport of percentages and money raking now so what a breath of fresh air to watch a game contested by young lads who do it for no other reason than a love/addiction for the game. Vardy is presently at the top of that particular history and you can see in his game he is not impressed by the indulgences washing around him. Neither are Stoke, Palace, Southampton and a few others who are looking to turn this ultra conservative theatre of bollocks on it's head. Keep up the good posts BOJANGLES AKnewB - the responses are the only unintentional comedy of dear old BONOBO. WESTIE saw N Young backed by Booker T and the MGs in the 90s and here's one for Mr Webster - 'It's better to burn out/than it is to rust/hey hey my my ...'

  13. Alsace

    Dec 01, 2015, 12:35 #80042

    Finsbury Joe. You are inviting us to "bat for the other side". That is like asking Dennis and Leslie Compton to play for Surrey, the Tottenham Hotspur of London Cricket. No, I take Mr Perry Groves' position on this question. No no No. As and when Mr Wenger destroys the Arsenal Football Club ( because it lacks elan and éclat), I shall be supporting Brighton and Hove Albino

  14. Tony Evans

    Dec 01, 2015, 12:32 #80041

    Ron - you are quite right, of course, a change of manager will probably change very little in the new corporate football world. It makes me yearn for the days when a Cloughie type manager would give the chairman what for! At the very least though a new fella in charge would hopefully be more in tune with what we as supporters think, and we wouldn't be left scratching our heads in bemusement so much!

  15. Ron

    Dec 01, 2015, 11:11 #80037

    Tony - one thing that you shdt assume mate is that things will change very much post Wenger. They may change at the edges, but rarely at the core despite kep personnel changing. AFC are in today's football parlance a 'successful Club'. West Ham are. Swansea are. Palace are. Its just a slight variation on the definition of success that applies to each Club based on the relative resources and the extent to which each Club want to use its resources. The ownership dictates the degree of change. A Coach change alone no longer does. The re cycling of all of the issues chatted about on here have all been done really now. There's nothing left to say. The only rational views and choice to be made by fans and match going supporters alike is whether we wish to buy into the notion of what football is and has become. As you know, speaking personally i ve found that broadening the specturm to just be a football fan is the way for me. I enjoy that and wished i d done it 20 years ago instead of 5 years ago. The affinity with AFC never leaves me, but a detached and colder view is afforded by stepping outside of the insular ' im a Gunners fan' position is good for me. Going to the odd game becomes fun again and the Clubs stranger methods and ways actually become quite funny these days. The frustration gone long since, football becomes good again. The likes of Palace ,Saints and Leics are the life blood of PL footie now in my view. The old established cartel of which the Gunners are part of are struggling to cope and are now having their cards marked. They all need to re assess and re appraise their methods as time passes. Its a good thing in my view. It ll remain COYG for me, but whether they come or go, win lose or draw, its makes no difference to me any more. WESTIE - mate those analogies of yours between horses, courses and players and pitches are fun. Im so hoping yr tongue is well into yr cheek though as you make them? My Daughter has an Arab stallion. Its a bit of a loony case and its mental fitness seems dodgy too ha ha. Its physical fitness is ok on a good day dependent on mood. You could say, its Adebayor with 4 legs or akin to many of Arsenals present squad members!

  16. Westlower

    Dec 01, 2015, 10:27 #80036

    @Badarse, "Old man look at my life, I'm a lot like you were. I've been first and last, look how the time goes past." Neil Young. I saw Ruby Murray live on stage before she became a curry!

  17. Badarse

    Dec 01, 2015, 10:01 #80034

    Ha ha, so you did read it AKBest, that is so funny. Now you will construe this as condescending, it isn't it is informative. That is a way of saying you can learn from it. Humour is subjective which means some may laugh, others not, however it is still humour. I am pleased you are supportive of Bojangles' style, I think he needs all the support he can get-I did actually think it was you under a nom de plume, (that's a pen name; plume as in French for pen, derived from plumage of a bird used as a quill in early writing days, westlower and myself have our first year ones from school neatly displayed at our respective homes). Your response like Bojangles was as expected so I do read you well. Nick on that theme I expected a similar response to the one you gave so I make it three out of three. Listen buddy when you begin quoting 'army' sayings at me you are on a loser, big time. You identified with being a 'bleater' and responded with an insult. Great work chum.

  18. Badarse

    Dec 01, 2015, 9:49 #80033

    David you missed the point, often the case sadly, and not just yourself am I referring to, it is a blight in modern times-look at Bojangles response, at least your reply was sensibly put. I wasn't making a case for not buying. If you miss that at the root then by the time you are at the top of the tree two leaves can be a long way apart-just ask Chance the gardener. I was querying what would be discussed had that unlikely scenario taken place. As I said I know what the individual answers would probably be, but then I am a reader of men as well as books.

  19. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 01, 2015, 9:33 #80032

    badarse - 84725 - No need to get upset, threatening, (even more) condescending and stupid just because Bojangles keeps getting the better of you. I've told you on numerous occasions that you're not the cleverest person on here, so why get upset when he proves time and again that he's got you in his pocket? That effort last night was especially poor badarse. Are you carrying a head cold? Maybe you need some convalescence, along with about 40% of Arsenal's first team squad. Being a geriatric with a ten year old's mindset can catch up on you. Take it easy man.

  20. Nick

    Dec 01, 2015, 9:16 #80031

    Badmouth, sorry Badarse, what would we " bleat" about had Wengers actually bought the requisite cover and competition for the squad if they too were all out injured? For myself id " bleat" not at all because then Wenger at least would have done his bloody job ! I would however bemoan our bad luck, the situation were in now has bugger all to do with luck, it has everything to do with bad planning, in the army they say " hope for the best, prepare for the worst " its an adage that holds true in ANY walk of life. Our injury record is horrendous, one or two seasons of such misfortune could indeed be judged as bad luck but this situation has been ongoing now for almost the last TEN YEARS ! that is NOT down to luck, there is obviously an underlying problem , whether it be training methods, training surfaces, our style of play or players simply being made of porcelain, the problem remains and remains unresolved, when we have our full complement of probably 14 top or good quality first team choices available we can beat anyone on our day, the trouble is when we lose to injury those core players the rest of our squad is not up to scratch, too many have seen their best days and too many simply are not title challenging quality, or too raw, this is ENTIRELY down to bad.preparation and management, to think otherwise is to have your head stuck up your backside ! Also how on earth does a simply muscle strain ( Walcott) keep him out for weeks on end ? What happened to players with character and courage strapping up and playing on ? It also begs the question is our medical team fit for purpose? In the absence of a solution to our injury woes it would have behooved a PRUDENT manager to INSURE against its eventuality, then if after taking out said insurance we still found ourselves blighted by the curse no one could say an effort hadn't been made , as it is Wenger is like Nero fiddling while all about him is consumed by flames!

  21. Westlower

    Dec 01, 2015, 9:08 #80030

    In Martin Keown's column in today's paper under the heading 'Don't blame Wenger for injury crisis' he reckons the hard training pitches as a possible cause for some of Arsenal's injuries. "Towards the end of my career at AFC we trained on a hybrid surface - artificial fibres combined with grass - that replicated the pitch at Highbury. It looked like a snooker table but it was too firm for me. Every player is different but I suffered with back problems, particularly with jumping & landing. I don't know what they use these days but training day in, day out, on a firm surface can take its toll. He also mentioned Sanchez was on a rest day when he last visited the training ground. All he wanted to do was extra training & it's best to let him play." In horse racing Clerk of the Courses are instructed to prepare ground no firmer than Good to Firm, they use a measuring stick to ensure the right conditions. Bath racetrack is the only exception as it does not have a watering system. The majority of racehorses get jarred up if running regularly on firmish ground, which results in them having many weeks of box rest. Many horses will run on firm ground once, but refuse to let themselves down on it in future runs. Known as looking after themselves (it's not always the jockey folks).

  22. David

    Dec 01, 2015, 9:04 #80029

    Admire your reasoning Baddie - what's the point in buying 3 players when, in all probability, they will all get injured all at the same time? Ergo, it was a stroke of Gallic genius to not buy extra players as it would've merely increased the medical bills. You do a very good wormtongue impression.

  23. Badarse

    Dec 01, 2015, 8:27 #80028

    Inanities from Bojangles, mmm. Am a pacifist, but will belt someone whenever pushed, am not a militarist and am against slavery in all forms, even your mind set to the concept of sacking a manager. Ver' interesting, but stupid. Oh and you need a new scriptwriter-but I am cheap if you are interested.

  24. Badarse

    Dec 01, 2015, 7:51 #80027

    Good morning my little fluffy souffles. One question for you all to ponder today-just think of it as an exercise in 'Thought for the Day'. If we had bought the one/two/three O'Leary players you all demanded and they were injured/suspended along with the current injured lads, what on earth would you be bleating, whining and whinging about right now? I do know the answer to this question so it is merely rhetorical in that sense-I just wonder if you lot can work it out...what you and your amigos would be asking for?

  25. Edmund

    Dec 01, 2015, 5:26 #80026

    We need a November transfer window. By January it could be game over for the title race. To make matters worse even the better youth players are all out on loan.

  26. Danny

    Dec 01, 2015, 1:38 #80025

    This game shows why majority of the fans do not trust Wenger and want him gone! The rest of the Arsenal world was asking for extra options in midfield and upfront in case Coquelin or Sanchez gets a injury or even give them the much needed rest time This clown refused to do so, hence why both are out and basically finishes our chances( Personally if I feel he is keeping the club back and clubs owner do not give a toss because we making money) When are the rest of Fans going to realise this. Until Wenger leaves we won’t challenge. The club aim is top 4 ONLY!

  27. DW Thomas

    Dec 01, 2015, 0:52 #80024

    Terrible result but we are dtill only 2 pts off first. But thats the ruse isnt it? Just be happy with mediocrity and the occasional good game! Mugs all of us. T Evans is right, sadly. Wssting too much energy onghis club only leaves me depressed. We never ever seem to get scross the line!! Ever close but never there!!

  28. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 23:45 #80023

    jw, 84694, yes that statement was the beginning of the end for us all, it and the utter embarrassment of the 8-2 at old Trafford (when if he had any decency in him he would have went, and if not his arse kicked out the door)i'm not sure which came first, but Fergie knew from that day (if not before) that he had this old has been manager by the balls and played him like a fiddle like all the others are doing now. Yes remember the guard of honour for the champions and especially RVP, how all right thinking fans laughed, (and still do today) how that must have stuck in wengers gut and how fergie must have loved It, and RVP too (how he must have celebrated that night) and the AKB's all up in arms and rallying support for a mass back turning (central command didn't close) how pathetic at the time, and even more pathetic it looks now after all that has went on here since, and as RVP's medal was thoroughly deserved too, the mass back turn turned into a farce (as usual)with only a few hundred bothering, even then it was only half hearted (like their support for this club)with most of them unable to resist looking over their shoulder, oh how we laughed at them and thanks to this old done finished manager still do.

  29. John Abrehart

    Nov 30, 2015, 22:26 #80022

    I want my club back. A club that doesn't throw away 1-0 leads, a club that can defend for 90 mins without making schoolboy howlers a rate of one a match with the costly loss of points, a club that does not resort to tippy-tappy sideways football as the only plan when faced by team that park the bus, a club that plays in their trademark colours when not faced with a clash, a club who's manager does not spout out the same old embarrassing platitudes instead of facing up to the situation and dealing with it, a club that appreciates it's roots and tradition instead of insulting it's supporters with policies as dull and vacuous as the fourth change shirts.

  30. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 21:30 #80021

    Or maybe TOF fell asleep while they were cruising at 30,000ft and the pilot hit turbulences as the trolley dollies served lunch and spilled his all over him, now that would put you right off your game.

  31. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 30, 2015, 21:19 #80020

    At the very least as an insurance policy, I'd be telling Steve Bruce to put Chuba and Isaac Hayden on the next train from Hull to London with a singe ticket each. Oh, unless they're injured up there of course...Given that there's a lot of money (rather than any meaningful chance of success for either team) at stake in the game against Olmypiakos, I can imagine it being pretty physical in Piraeus. Westlower - what are the odds on 1,2,3 or 4 more injuries, and is it worth a bet that they'll wear that fookin awful losers' blue kit out there?

  32. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 21:15 #80019

    I think it was the fault of the pilot when he buzzed the tower Tom Cruise style in East Anglia.

  33. Roy

    Nov 30, 2015, 19:58 #80018

    Wenger is just going through the motions now. It's embarrassing.

  34. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 19:42 #80017

    Alsace, you could be onto something there, maybe this is all part of TOF's master plan, how foolish have we been, get so many injuries that we can't field a team and they'll all be classed as draws then we can win the league.

  35. Alsace

    Nov 30, 2015, 19:08 #80016

    It's very disappointing and everyone is disappointed but the injury list is actually becoming comical. We will be down to a recalled YaYa Sonogo and a tub of lard at this rate.

  36. Torbay gooner

    Nov 30, 2015, 18:49 #80015

    So three consecutive crap performances/results later and who would have guessed Sanchez becomes our latest crock, our manager is so unlucky!! I see now that Giroud no longer has competition for his place, he can't be bothered to run around. Anyone out there that still thinks this side is capable of sustaining a title challenge/ let alone winning the thing please let yourself be known, I promise not to laugh.

  37. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 30, 2015, 18:11 #80013

    In these days of persistent gloom, it's always nice to have a bit of comic inspiration provided by Finsbury. It's 54 years since the spuds won the title mate, during which time we've been crowned champions at your place twice (as well as in various others of course). It clearly isn't our decade, but to be honest, it's never yours, especially now that there's f*ck all for spurs when the year ends in "1". But thanks for the laugh. It helps to put our travails into a bit of perspective. That makes you an Arsenal cheerleader Finsbury - well done. Didn't even read badarse's ejaculation as usual - was it bus numbers or his sinking battleship coordinates? The AKB ship of fools has been holed and is about to capsize.

  38. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 17:49 #80012

    GTG, Post of the Day, it should be read again then reflected upon, then reread with a cup of tea, then after a brief walk and a sit down and a gaze out the window, read again.

  39. Tony Evans

    Nov 30, 2015, 17:47 #80011

    mbg - deep down I am just as angry and frustrated as ever (as are many) but it doesn't get us anywhere does it? I will keep fighting the good fight until Wenger goes though, don't worry about that.

  40. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 17:33 #80010

    Tony Evans, I hear what your saying mate, but taking all TOF's embarrassing decisions and everything else that goes with him more calmly and being more acceptable to them is music to his ears your playing into his hands it's exactly what he wants, (it's what he's been trying to do for years) and his disciples too, it's worked with them, they've been doing it for years now and that's why we are where we are now because of fans like them, so don't become one by keeping calm mate and accepting everything, keep saying it the way it is, and what you think of him, keep shouting it from the rafters, that's what him and his wengerites don't like, we haven't to much longer to put up with old fraud anyway, and then we'll be able to feel the way about our Arsenal again as you described, and he'll never ever be forgiven for knocking that out of us in the first place let alone all that went with it. wenger out.

  41. Badarse

    Nov 30, 2015, 17:30 #80009

    Inside the mind of Badarse: B2:Hello Badarse 1, what gives?-B1:Oh hi Badarse 2, just the usual bleating from the children.-B3:Oi, don't call them kids,kids are the future, this lot are yesterday's men!-B4:Calm down Badarse 3, it's only a figure of speech.-B94:We drew away, that was good in our day.-B12:Why all the mental activity with Badarse 1?-B15:It's always the same with him after Arsenal play.-B12:It is with all of us.-B66:Wish we'd had days like this.-B15: Quiet Badarse 66. He's like this because politics is happening too and the Shadow Cabinet have a free vote so we start bombing.-B25: That's true, Arsenal playing and a big downer politically has an effect on him. B52: Me too, when it comes to bombing!-B55: It does all of us it's just that each one of us reacts just that little bit differently to each other.-B82: Yeah but which one is right?-B84: None of us, there isn't necessarily right and wrong, just different.-B9: Rubbish, the Dark Moanies are wrong, we all know that. B39: Fight!-B45: Peace Badarse 39, just relax and take it easy. B39: Om!-B7: He has a point. One goes on about Sky and carries an argument supporting the left, but is siding with those who politically support Sky's types.-B75: Yeah, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.-B62: Don't knock it, many people do that.-B47: I wouldn't.-B61: We all agreed with what he said about Sky though, didn't we?-B62: Yes, but it is far more complex than throwing verbal rocks at a modern day Goliath, especially when there are a queue of Goliaths waiting in line. B18: True, take one down and the public erect another. B32: Ah but which public? B4: The public perhaps who want AW out.-B13: I'm confused. B19: You would be, we moved to Highbury and you've been a little foggy ever since.-B89: Thing is they haven't matured, they want a season like mine, but in every season.-B35: Or mine!-B22: Yes but if it happened with such frequency it wouldn't be as special in our minds as it is.-B89: Thank you Badarse 22, that's amongst the nicest things anyone has ever said about me.-B35: Yes thanks Badarse 22.-B91: I could have been Invincible!-B92: And you deserved to be Badarse 91, but still it made B04 just that little bit more incredible.- B04:Some Dark Moanies don't even give me the credit I deserve for the Invincible achievement.-B96: I agree.-B54: You don't have to talk in a French accent to remind us AW came with you.-B96: Sorry, force of habit, mon ami. B28: What's the rush for?-B78: He's putting the kettle on.-B71: I never got to contribute.-B63: You were the best. Good enough Badarse 71?-B71: It'll do. Now for a cuppa Rosie. B37: Tea up!

  42. nicistyx

    Nov 30, 2015, 17:28 #80008

    Lets face it. Cant beat W.ba or Norwich. So we wont be winning any Premier leagues Just yet. Shame to say or realise that this seasons lack of potential when those around you are flailing too isn't gonna put any Gooner in a good Mood. Man City are slipping. Leicester are better than us and Chelsea are woefully off the pace. If we cannot be inspired to kick on then We are not going to win Premier League. Tony Adams and co would have rolled there sleeves up and taken full advantage. We are like Chelsea before Abramovitch, Pretty but Meek. No British Bulldog Spirit.

  43. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 17:08 #80007

    ArseneKnewBest, 84655, and our legacy and his own, destroyed by Colonel Mustard, on the bench, with a bottle of room temperature water and a stop watch.

  44. jeff wright

    Nov 30, 2015, 16:37 #80006

    Donkey's years ago when Wenger said that the important thing was how you played and not about winning , it was game set and match for Sir Ferguson. Good old Arsene was immediately installed by the bully-boy Jocko as his best pal. Sir Ferguson used to reminisce fondly on the good old days before Chelsea and the nasty neighbours got in on the act - when the title race was just about himself and Arsene. Mainly himself of course, but there were 3 times when Wenger got the better of things,it should have been more but even back then it was a case of if anyone could cock-up a good chance of winning the league then that man was Wenger. Selling Sir Ferguson the gunner for life RVP got hapless Arsene even more into the old bully-boy jocko's good books when this helped him to finish his career on a high with another title win . Arsene embarrassingly was forced by some silly supposed unwritten rule to provide a guard of honour by our chumps for RVP and co when they arrived as champs , this incident summed up Wenger's decline and that decline is still ongoing with ever more worst defeats in AFC history and no title challenge every season .The only question is ,when will it all end.

  45. Hiccup

    Nov 30, 2015, 16:30 #80005

    Looks like the akb emergency meeting is still in full flow. A brief statement at lunchtime and a shrug of the shoulders that sh!t happens, deal with it, seems to be the latest line of approach to the circus show. From what I hear, the left wing of the party want to stick to blaming teams for parking the bus as the default line of excuse. But after the first half hour of Norwich sitting off and going behind, the right wing section feel that this excuse is outdated, and a fresher pile of bollox is needed to encourage younger members to join their party. With the ref and fatigue being put on hold this weekend, it will be interesting to see the new policies that they unveil.

  46. Deighty

    Nov 30, 2015, 16:19 #80004

    I can't believe people are mentioning winning the league, there passes another Wenger November with 4th place the only positive outcomeP

  47. Tony Evans

    Nov 30, 2015, 15:51 #80003

    jjetplane - yes Klopp obviously thinks Sturridge should be made of sterner stuff. Would love to see some of our perma-crock prima donnas given short shrift and told to get on with it. Not going to happen under Uncle Arsene though is it!

  48. jjetplane

    Nov 30, 2015, 15:20 #80002

    Just imagine how a Klopp type would fire up the place. He has already told the likes of Sturridge to get sorted and it would be great to see some of those like Wally told to go take a run into the nearest barrier .... it is not just a few disgruntled posters on here but the whole football community is holding Arsenal up as a prime example of what is wrong with the top level game in this country. JAmErsON you are a right card laddie and we await a return to the Gospels ..... speaking of which it seems AKB central have shut up shop and it being cyber Monday and all. What knee jerkers!

  49. Tony Evans

    Nov 30, 2015, 15:05 #80001

    GTG - with you all the way. Yes a new manager may not solve everything but the fresh optimism he would bring would be like a breath of fresh air running through club reviving fans like us that despair of Wenger ever getting it right as far as the Prem or CL are concerned.

  50. jeff wright

    Nov 30, 2015, 14:46 #80000

    Those Norwich players must be big tough guys if they can push top 4 players ( not title winning ones though) into the crowd .It must be the 50mph winds that helped to do it because the only player I can recall ending up in the crowd was Eric Cantona at Palace - and he jumped in shouting ,here have some of this you ....! as both his large studded boots landed in the chest of a Palace supporter. Wenger is getting asked more and more awkard questions about his inept manegement by the media and we know of course from past experience that our control freak with his big ego does not handle this very well. So far the media have cut him plenty of slack by comparison with others such as Mourinho and Brolly Man . It's only a matter of tim though before Arsene the media gets stuck into Arsene the Inspector Clueless Pink Panter of football.

  51. jeff wright

    Nov 30, 2015, 14:29 #79999

    mbg,Suffolk is looking more Jamerson by the post ,same old excuses, same old bullshine.THK

  52. GTG

    Nov 30, 2015, 14:28 #79998

    Those posts written by Tony and Hi Berry sum it all up to me. I just long so much for a new manager to at least bring some of the optimism back. I'd get such an excitment running through me at the thought of attending the first match without Wenger in the dugout. I'd fully accept that we'd likely go backwards for a few years but all of a sudden within those years we might think "hang on we can see a difference in the defending here" or actually feel like we've taken the oppositions strengths into consideration. At the moment the excitement is totally gone because you know that we are not going to see these things, there is just no signs of learning, changing or striving to be the best that the club can be. With anyone who still supports Wenger I would just love to know how much longer are they willing to see such poor preparation, training and defending before they finally say enough is enough. That question never seems be answered by any of his supporters which is why some think its Arsene they follow not Arsenal.

  53. Tony Evans

    Nov 30, 2015, 14:18 #79997

    Gaz, JJ and Hi Berry - loads of us in the same boat clinging on hoping something is going to change. It just never seems to though and, with injuries piling up again as usual, this season is probably about to go pear shaped too; which we have all been expecting sooner or later. Colesyboy - expecting doesn't mean wanting!

  54. jjetplane

    Nov 30, 2015, 13:59 #79996

    Great posts Hi Berry and Tony Evans and I agree there is no personality at the club anymore and all the players speak off the same hymn sheet supporting Wenger's extremely limited football vocabulary. Went to a great game on Saturday at three in the afternoon (remember those?) for a princely seven quid with prog and was treated to a great contest with two goals in particular as good as any seen on MOTD. I watched Arsenal for over 40 years and this model bears no resemblance to past ones. Ozil and Sanchez are fine players but a decade and a half ago such players were littered throughout the squad. I am past the point of caring but am relishing any major upsets that might befall the usual top dogs. Images of Fabregas punching a bus in anger are what makes the PL such a circus now and there is so much money swilling around that players from Villa to Wenger's Arsenal clearly do not give two hoots while the money is rolling in. Wenger on his millions with two redobtable FA Cup wins in a decade epitomise all that is wrong with top tier football in this country. Going to a big game now means a trip to Brighton or Bournemouth but do not miss what passes for Arsenal now - hundred quid for a day out watching the likes of Giroud and Carzola - leave me out Lol! All eyes on Stoke ....

  55. Gaz

    Nov 30, 2015, 13:45 #79995

    Obviously at the end of that last post I'm talking about Wenger and not Tony E!!!...

  56. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 13:45 #79994

    jw, or somebody else who likes to give sermons on everything, but knows nothing.

  57. Gaz

    Nov 30, 2015, 13:35 #79993

    Different season-same old ****e. Tony Evans sums up how I feel perfectly and I bet there's loads of others like us. Nothing but respect for the man but I can't bear listening to him any more. Would like to think he'll be leaving soon but sadly we all know there's no chance of it happening...

  58. Hi Berry

    Nov 30, 2015, 13:21 #79992

    Bang on the money there, Tony Evans. It's a sad state of affairs when results good or bad have no effect on us. It seems to me that all the personality has vanished from the team I supported in my younger days and these days it's on a par with supporting a multi-national plc. Tesco United anyone? I wish Arsenal were the honest cloggers of the seventies and eighties with unexpected successes every now and then than the soul-less money making machine it has now become. How I envy the supporters of someone like Everton whose honest ambition is to bloody the noses of a few of the 'big boys', maybe scramble into one of the Euro places and hope for a decent cup run without all the spin we get fed.

  59. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 13:20 #79991

    TOF on his Sanchez excuse I would have rested him (of course you would have you old liar) but he felt perfectly ok and said he had no problem well that makes it alright then (in your self serving selfish eyes anyway) the players are there to play football, not to be rested when the press decides, even more proof (not that anys needed of course)that it was egoism, arrogance, self interest, and again sticking two fingers up at everybody else that he will not be told what to do or take advice from anyone, even if it is detriment to the team, and as always it is, Sackable offence any day of the week, how many is that now over the years ? Go now wenger your an embarrassment.

  60. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 30, 2015, 12:50 #79990

    I am astonished that regulars on this site actually think we are competing for the PL - we have eight previous seasons which have ended up the same way, why do you think somehow this year will be different? We do not have the courage or leadership to compete for top honours, we do not prepare to win top honours. The way we are run and set up is like going on safari in a Fiat 500 with AW as driver, mechanic, navigator and logistics supervisor. You know at some point the car will crash, we will run out of fuel or just get hopelessly lost! It happens every season and guess what it is going to happen again.

  61. Westlower

    Nov 30, 2015, 12:48 #79989

    @Jeff, 3/1 is a good bet on Citeh, as no one is offering more than Evens. The bookies are remarkably tolerant of Arsenals poor run of results with 100/30 being the best price available, with Man U 11/2, L'pool 16/1, TH 25/1, CFC 50/1, Leicester 100/1. AFC top 4 @ 1/9.

  62. jeff wright

    Nov 30, 2015, 12:29 #79988

    The really sad thing about the Norwich and West Brum results was that they were not unexpected. I suggested on here last week that we might not beat Norwich and if we can't be confident of beating sides like that then why should we believe that we can win the title. The fact that we are only two points off the top is irrelevant to this . Leicester were top at one point but their supporters are realistic enough to realize that they are not going to be there in May. The reality regarding our situation is that we might not win Arsene's favourite trophy this season,no not that one,the 4th place trophy. As someone pointed out earlier we have yet to play the top sides away and the second half of the season looks a lot to grab first place during that easier period ,despite having had several opportunities to do so , it is not unreasonable to assume that we will not do it in this tougher period either....... Westie,I could swear I read an article on here from someone saying that we were in a title challenge while Chelsea were fighting relegation ! And some were agreeing with this, so come on now please there were some who were claiming we would win the title this season, the chance was obviously there to do so and still is - but sadly it ain't going to happen. This brings me to Badarse, he's back again sulking behind the sofa waiting until we win a game to pop up gloating in his condescending fashion at Arsene's doubters ,I always get the impression from his hysterical posts before games, the ones last week hit an all time absurdity, that when he perceives a bad result happening he gets a touch of painful PMT .Regarding your bet on United to win the title ,I am happy with my one at 3-1 on City pre-season with them now odds on to win it. I don't think it will even be close ,but the other 3 places,if there are 3 depending on Euro results, could be a lot closer than they have been for sometime.

  63. Tony Evans

    Nov 30, 2015, 12:29 #79987

    Nick - good post and bang on the money. I used to get so angry with Wenger but am now much more acceptable of his idiotic decisions and can watch games in complete calm. I am not sure if I miss my old Arsenal self or not - where I was on edge and nervous throughout most of a match unless we were at least 3-0 up! (because it meant so much to me) What I do miss is the great feeling / adrenaline hit I used to get after Arsenal scored, or at the final whistle if we had won. Now it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other - yes of course I still want us to win but I don't care like I should do.

  64. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 30, 2015, 12:01 #79986

    Having moved to sunny Ipswich I can report that this Suffolk based Gooner was far from cheerful. Having seen how we continually conspire to blow our chances and are now entering yet another injury crisis perhaps we should aim for not swapping positions with Chelsea. Absolutely no guts , lack of effort. A real hungry title challenging team would have brushed the Canaries aside with a 4-1 or such like. Ps Mike Collins you may feel 107 years old but some of us do still want to contribute so not sure who your rant was directed at!

  65. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 11:46 #79985

    That power house Relegation threatened Norwich have lost at home to those other powerhouses this season ? and not Arsenal, that's a stat we'll not hear from the wenger luvvies. Go now old man and put us all out of our misery.

  66. jeff wright

    Nov 30, 2015, 11:31 #79984

    This so called Suffolk gooner who has suddenly popped up delivering an angry sermon, from his pulpit of pomposity , looks like the not so great imposter the Reverend Jamerson in disguise.

  67. Nick

    Nov 30, 2015, 11:28 #79983

    Calmed down a bit from yesterday, but the cold light of day doesn't make the result any easier to take, Norwich are a workmanlike side who will most likely be in a relegation fight all season, we could and should have beaten them, they didn't play particularly well , merely worked hard, our closing down , pressing and ball winning was almost non existent, Bellerien had a stinker,but credit to him he never hid, Cazorla played as badly as ive seen him play, Ozil was good first half but faded and looked increasingly frustrated in the second, Giroud looked as if he was running through treacle, and as usual most forwards can give Mertesaker a five yard head start and still beat him, the defending collectively for their goal was bloody awful,Cech saved us a point, Monreal was fairly solid, for the rest it was simply substandard, " mental strength" ? The exact opposite is true, the fact we had only three attempts on target out of around thirteen is dammimg, the mismanagement is equally bad, Sanchez should NOT have played, now we will likely miss him for at least a month, we have NO strength in depth and that is solely down to Wenger, our only hope is that we get some of the perennially injured back asap, and that Wenger buys in the window, that last being a forlorn hope at best, I take no pleasure in this but I said in August that his folly in the summer window meant the league cup was our best hope of silverware, but in that as usual Wenger ensured an early exit, the CL is patently way beyond us, and three Fa Cup wins in a row is as likely as a white Christmas, the title is there for the taking, but Wengers idiocy has probably ensured that we will end up potless and battling for his mythical fourth place trophy, I feel betrayed by him, my hope is he proves me wrong, but I most certainly would not bet the house on it !

  68. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 11:12 #79982

    Dan h, read post 84630 from last night.

  69. Red Member

    Nov 30, 2015, 11:00 #79981

    Westlower - I have already accepted that THFC will finish in the top 4 this season. What I cannot accept is for them to win the league. I will be supporting Man City in every game from now on

  70. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 10:58 #79980

    The cutting edge of modern injury treatment and avoidance, who ever came out with that certainly has/had a sense of humour, only now I expect their in a padded cell receiving some of that treatment, electric shock therapy. wenger out.

  71. mbg

    Nov 30, 2015, 10:46 #79979

    That will be on the old frauds grave stone Ed, he lies two points dropped, two more players injured, along with another embarrassment. Do the decent thing for once in your life old man, go now.

  72. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 30, 2015, 10:35 #79978

    Sanchez will need a rest soon..........twang!

  73. Westlower

    Nov 30, 2015, 10:28 #79977

    Interesting formula in Racing Post converting the goal ratio (for & against as it stands at present) translated into points suggest the final table will look like this. TH 83 points, Citeh 77, AFC & Man U 74, Leicester 63. Of course it is distorted as TH have yet to encounter a bad run that will inevitably occur at some time, or will it?

  74. Rob

    Nov 30, 2015, 10:14 #79976

    Any fans who believe Arsenal will challenge for the title this season are delusional dreamers. We're in a false position (2nd) due to City slipping up, Chelsea's absence form the top 4 and Cech snatching a few matches from the jaws of defeat such as yesterday with that world class save. 4th or 5th again this season, same old same old....

  75. Red Member

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:58 #79975

    we should be more worried about how hard it is going to be to finish 4th than compete for the title. The Sanchez injury changes everything. A few gooners in denial this morning I feel

  76. Nick

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:47 #79974

    Well at least, like the rest of the world, OGL realised in the summer we needed more numbers and strengthened accordingly........

  77. Hi Berry

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:41 #79973

    Trouble is, SuffolkGooner, that a lot of Arsenal fans were resigned to not winning the title when the transfer window closed and key positions in the squad hadn't been strengthened; a lot of Arsenal fans live in hope that the weaknesses in defence will be ironed out but they never are; a lot of Arsenal fans would like to think the manager has sufficient man management skills and intelligence to rest players that he knows are on the brink of injury....cast your mind back to Wilshere's first full season and the way he was played into the ground when still a teenager; cast your mind back to Ramsey two years ago when he was scoring for fun and despite Wenger admitting he was in the 'red zone' was played at West Ham over Christmas and got crocked. Sanchez's injury yesterday was just the latest accident waiting to happen. Yes, we are fourth in the league and yes we have won two FA Cups back to back but it is so utterly predictable and depressing the way this team is managed with regard to title aspirations. As for the CL we are the perennial 'also rans' and aspire only to qualify, take the money and run. Is it any wonder so many have given up already? I don't think there were many who harboured such fanciful thoughts in the first place.

  78. Wear Your Colours

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:37 #79972

    Another frustrating afternoon. Ozil slotted it home well and Cech made a good save from Gabriel. Other than that not a lot of positives. Too many players were having an off day. Let's hope the November 2015 blues are over and things will pick-up in December 2015. Also, lets hope we consign that blue kit to the training ground only; we have had no luck at all when playing in it; 0-3 at Sheffield, lose the Ox and Theo to injury; 1-5 at Munich and our Champions league campaign is in jeopardy; 1-1 at Norwich, lose Koscielny and Alexis to injury. I am looking forward to getting the red shirt back on this Saturday. A nice old-fashion 1-0 to the Arsenal would be welcome against Sunderland. The season is far from over yet. COYG!

  79. Begeegs

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:33 #79971

    Not buying in the summer is looking more and more to be gross negligence. How can anyone defend this clown? Who is next Ozil?

  80. Snowbiggee

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:30 #79970

    Have those expecting a title challenge realised that we have to play virtually the whole of the top 10 away in the second half of the season? In the next 5/6 matches we will be relying on only Campbell to add pace and movement up front.Giroud missed three chances again yesterday to go with those he missed against the filth. Motson called him a natural born finisher a while ago.Wrong.It's difficult to see where the goals are coming from in the near term.Wenger's style of reactive not poactive management is going to be tested to the max.

  81. Rob

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:25 #79969

    Never mind. The January window looms………...

  82. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:19 #79968

    Suffolkgooner - Based in suffolk mate, you of all people should be aware of what should happen when one of the richest clubs in the world plays a team from Norwich, a club owned by a has-been celebrity chef, and built on a legacy of mustard. C'mon, weren't you even a little bit underwhelmed that the Arsenal failed to beat a team of that stature after going 1-0 up? Or are you really a norfolkspud just trying to wind up people that have had enough of underachievement, overseen by a p*ss-poor manager and a specialist in failure. Don't you people ever say, enough is enough and feel like coming over to the light side. The team is rudderless, let down by a leader that should have had the nous to leave years ago.

  83. Tony Evans

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:19 #79967

    Wenger seemingly feeling he had no choice but to risk Sanchez against a lowly Norwich team sums it up for me. As for the mounting injuries it gets worse every year and yet all the usual crocks will still be with us next season!

  84. Dan h

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:17 #79966

    Almost a repeat of WBA baring Cech making a world class save to prevent a Gabriel O.G.Ozil the only other positive for me amazing how playing him as a number 10 and not being shifted out wide this season has paid dividends.Novel idea that playing players in their best position.Sanchez should of been game managed better he was carrying a tight hamstring for weeks since he was away with Chile.Midweek 3 up but is kept on until the end,negligent.Third of the squad have regular injury issues the usual suspects we can all name.For Koscielny you can add him to the list his fourth injury this season ongoing back problems thus related issues to his hip,you heard that here first.The only club not to buy a outfield player in the top leagues in Europe,yes Arsenal.Those that keep thinking it's just bad luck are as deluded as the man that chose not to strengthen and keep faith with those same players that break down.Ozil is the next one bad back no doubt because with whats left he will be carrying the team.Preventable result,predictable November once again.

  85. goonercolesyboy

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:15 #79965

    6 games played at home 8 away and it doesn't even itself out until Newcastle at home in the new year. Man city the same. Ramsey was way off the pace and for their goal his initial poor effort at a tackle showing Olsen inside instead of outside and Gabriel should have been stronger. Ozil was excellent as was Sanchez until the injury. Be good to get some players back although we have a habit of losing them as quickly as we get them back. Like a revolving door. No one is getting away at the top so the points difference is as close as it has been for years. Must take maximum points from Sunderland and Villa away before the hectic Christmas period.

  86. Suffolkgooner

    Nov 30, 2015, 9:08 #79964

    It seems a lot of fans have already given up on us being champions,what a sad bunch they are.