#FlashbackFriday – Arsenal v Sunderland Home & Away

Part two of a look back at the Black Cats’ clashes with the Gunners down the years



#FlashbackFriday – Arsenal v Sunderland Home & Away


After their 1973 FA Cup triumph against Leeds Utd, Sunderland would remain in the Second tier for three more seasons, one notable fixture during this period being a 2-3 defeat to Man Utd at Old Trafford, during United’s only season in the second tier during the post-war era. Sunderland came back as Second tier champions in 1975/76 and faced Arsenal at Roker Park in August, resulting in a 2-2 draw with Malcolm MacDonald and Trevor Ross on target for Arsenal. The return match at Highbury in February resulted in a 0-0 draw. Bob Stokoe however was forced to resign as boss midway through the 1976/77 season through illness and Sunderland dropped back down again the following season finishing in twentieth position in the top tier.

Controversy surrounded Sunderland’s relegation however as Jimmy Hill’s Coventry City, also battling relegation that year, were advised to delay the kick off of their final fixture against fellow strugglers Bristol City by ten minutes for fans caught in the heavy traffic on the way to the ground. Sunderland however kicked off on time against Everton and lost 0-2. As the Sunderland result was flashed up on the scoreboard at Highfield Road, the score between Coventry and Bristol City was 2-2 – a result which meant both sides were safe and hence both sets of players pass the ball around in their own half for the last ten minutes of the game to ensure their top flight survival. A subsequent Football League inquiry was held but Hill, who at the time was in a senior position at the Football League, did not stand to one side while the inquiry was held and the result stood. Jimmy Hill has largely been a hate figure for Sunderland fans ever since, as seen from this footage of a Sunderland visit to Craven Cottage in 2008 in which he was escorted away by police for inciting the Sunderland supporters.

Sunderland spent three seasons in the second tier before achieving promotion again as runners up in 1979/80. The Rokerites second game back resulted in a 4-0 win over Man City at Maine Road. Their first game back at Highbury in Mid-October had been a 2-2 draw with Steve Gatting and Willie Young on target for Arsenal, though the Wearsiders inflicted a 0-2 defeat on Arsenal in December. Sunderland would last five straight seasons in the top flight, however on each occasion would finish in the bottom half of the table. Arsenal however would continue to experience difficulty in defeating Sunderland, who inflicted a 0-3 defeat on the Gunners at Roker Park in December 1982 as well as a 1-2 defeat over Arsenal at Highbury in November 1983, in which a seventeen year old Tony Adams made his Arsenal debut partnering Chris Whyte in the centre of defence.

Sunderland defeat of Arsenal at Highbury in 1983/84 came just a week after thrashing European Champions of a couple of seasons prior - Aston Villa - 6-2 away from home. It would also be the start of a run of five defeats out of six games which culminated in the dismissal of Arsenal boss Terry Neill. Despite how mediocre Sunderland were in the early eighties, they were at least the number one side in the North East as their rivals Newcastle United and Middlesbrough were languishing in the Second tier. This goes someway to explaining why the number one comedy drama of the period, Auf Wiedersehen Pet, chose to centre an episode on two of the central characters attending a Sunderland game in Europe rather than Newcastle United (whom they actually supported), despite the rivalry which exists between the two sides.

Arsenal however finally secured three points against Sunderland in late October 1984 with a 3-2 win at Highbury, a game in which the big screens made their first appearance at the home of Football. The win was secured by goals from Tommy Caton, Ian Allinson and Brian Talbot, which put Arsenal four points clear at the top of the table. Arsenal however had dropped in the table by the time of the return fixture at Roker Park, while Sunderland were embroiled in a relegation battle. The game turned out to be a 0-0 draw.

Sunderland however still managed to get to Wembley in 1984/85 in the League Cup, beating Tottenham at White Hart Lane in the Quarter Finals and Chelsea in the Semis with the latter seeing some of the worst hooliganism ever witnessed in English football in the second leg at Stamford Bridge. In the final however, Sunderland lost 0-1 to Norwich as a result of a Gordon Chisholm own goal, as well as missed penalty from Clive Walker. Both finalists however would finish the season relegated to the second tier of English football, Sunderland losing 4-1 away to Champions Elect Everton out of the top tier.

Within two seasons, Sunderland would find themselves demoted to the third tier of English football at the end of the 1986/87 season as a result of losing a play-off semi-final to Gillingham on away goals, the first such side to experience this fate through the play-offs and one of the few before the format was amended to include just sides seeking promotion. Sunderland however were promoted as Champions of the third tier one season later, fired by the signing of Marco Gabbiadini from York, by incoming manager Denis Smith from his old club. This Sunderland side would be one of fighting spirit, as Coventry’s David Speedie would discover after clashing with Sunderland defender Gary Bennett in a League Cup tie in 1989/90. Within two seasons Sunderland would reach the first ever Second tier play off final at Wembley after beating neighbours Newcastle United in a tempestuous Semi Final.

The first leg at Roker Park finished in a 0-0 draw, Sunderland left back Paul Hardiman was sent off after kicking Newcastle goalkeeper John Burridge in the head seconds after he saved his penalty. The ill feeling carried over into the Second leg three days later at St. James’s Park when Sunderland took a two goal lead, as Newcastle fans spilled on to the pitch with the intention of getting the match abandoned, however the match resumed after an eighteen minute delay with Sunderland securing a 2-0 win. Sunderland however were defeated 0-1 by Swindon as a result of a Gary Bennett own goal. Swindon’s joy however would last just nine days after they were found guilty of financial irregularities and denied promotion as a result, with Sunderland promoted to the top tier in their place.

Sunderland’s first visit to Highbury on returning to the top tier came at the end of October. Arsenal took all three points with a 1-0 win secured with a Lee Dixon penalty which resulted from Anders Limpar being brought down by former Arsenal defender John Kaye. Around ten weeks later Sunderland would return to Highbury in the third round of the FA Cup. Arsenal proceeded to the next round with a 2-1 win through goals from Alan Smith and Anders Limpar. Sunderland pulled one back through a bizarre David O’Leary own goal, the veteran Irish international can be clearly seen cursing himself after his error. Arsenal of course went on to secure the league title that season. The title could have been secured at Roker Park, after Liverpool were defeated 4-2 at Stamford Bridge. Sunderland however, themselves in a relegation battle, managed to hold Arsenal to a 0-0 draw, meaning that the Gunners had to wait another forty eight hours before securing the title on May Day Bank Holiday. The Rokerites could have taken all three points, however David Seaman pulled off a great save to deny Sunderland’s Gary Owers. The Wearsiders however would be relegated after just one season back, after finishing in nineteenth position.

One season on after relegation Sunderland finished as low as nineteenth in the second tier, however as they did nineteen years prior the Wearsiders would reach the FA Cup Final while outside of the top flight. Sunderland managed to get past Chelsea in the Quarter Finals and Norwich in the Semis, however would lose 0-2 to Liverpool in the final with former Arsenal star Michael Thomas scoring a superb opener for the Pool. Sunderland spent four successive seasons in the bottom half of the second tier until achieving promotion to the top flight as Champions in 1995/96 under Peter Reid, in what can be considered a renaissance period for the North East as Newcastle United, Middlesbrough and Sunderland were all back in the top tier of English football, where a few years earlier the Premiership’s inaugural season of 1992/93 had no North East presence whatsoever. In March of 1996 Sunderland thrashed runners up Derby County 3-0 at Roker Park.

During the close season Sunderland signed former Arsenal striker Niall Quinn and their first visit back to Highbury during the Premiership era came in late September 1996, against an Arsenal side awaiting Arsene Wenger’s arrival from Japan with Pat Rice in charge as caretaker. A 2-0 win with goals from John Hartson and Ray Parlour took Arsenal to the top of the Premiership table. The following January Arsenal went on to face Sunderland three times in eleven days, first of all in the FA Cup 3rd Round at Highbury, which resulted in a 1-1 draw with John Hartson opening the scoring for the Gunners and Sunderland’s Michael Gray equalising. A week later at Roker Park Sunderland inflicted a 0-1 defeat on Arsenal with a Tony Adams own goal. Four days later in the replay at Roker Park, Dennis Bergkamp opened the scoring with a sublime goal, followed by a second from Stephen Hughes to give Arsenal a 2-0 win.

Sunderland were relegated back down to the second tier at the end of 1996/97, finishing in eighteenth position. The season was captured in a BBC documentary called ‘Premier Passions’ which featured a lot of industrial language from Sunderland boss Peter Reid. This relegation meant that Sunderland’s first season at their new 42,000 capacity home – the Stadium of Light – would be spent in the Second tier. In the off-season Sunderland signed boyhood Arsenal fan Kevin Phillips from Watford, who went on to score 113 goals for Sunderland in 208 games. The Rokerites were now nicknamed the Black Cats and missed out on automatic promotion, despite accruing ninety points they finished four points off of the top of the table, but coming third in the table.

This meant that Sunderland required a play off to gain promotion to the Premiership. After beating Sheffield United in the Semi Final, Sunderland met fourth placed Charlton in an incredible play off final. Charlton took the lead first, but were forced to equalise on three occasions, as the game finished 4-4 after extra time, Charlton winning a penalty shootout 7-6 with Michael Gray missing the important spot kick. Sunderland were overwhelming favourites for promotion in 1998/99 and returned to the Premiership in emphatic style, accruing a record 105 points to win the Second tier title.

In the off-season Sunderland signed former Arsenal and Swedish international midfielder Stefan Schwarz, as well as defensive mainstay and future Assistant Manager Steve Bould. Arsenal’s first visit to the Stadium of Light came in August, the fixture ended in a 0-0 draw. On Steve Bould’s return to Highbury in January he was presented with a silver cannon for eleven years’ service at Arsenal, however suffered a torrid time at the hands of a young Thierry Henry who scored two goals. There were also two goals for Davor Suker, the first an excellent strike from the edge of the eighteen yard box, as Arsenal chalked up a 4-1 victory over Sunderland, with Niall Quinn grabbing a consolation strike for Sunderland.

Sunderland were to face Arsenal for the opening fixture of the 2000/01 season at the Stadium of Light and inflicted a 0-1 defeat (@04.22) on the Gunners with a header from Niall Quinn. The game was also marked by a sending off for Patrick Vieira. This season Arsenal experienced difficulty taking points off of Sunderland. On Sunderland’s visit to Highbury in the post-Xmas, pre-New Year interim, Arsenal took a two goal lead in the first half with goals from Patrick Vieira and Lee Dixon. Sunderland however pulled the Gunners back to a 2-2 draw with strikes from Kevin Phillips and Gavin McCann.

Arsenal’s inability to take three points at the Stadium of Light continued into 2001/02. In Late October Arsenal took the lead with a goal from Kanu, before an excellent Stefan Schwarz equaliser. Patrick Vieira’s Wearside misery continued after his penalty miss meant Arsenal had to make do with a 1-1 draw. Vieira however would get his own back however by opening the scoring back at Highbury in late March on their way to the double. Goals for Dennis Bergkamp and Sylvain Wiltord ensured a 3-0 win for the Gunners. The following October Arsenal scored a blistering 3-1 win over Sunderland at Highbury with two first half goals for Kanu and one for Patrick Vieira, with Jody Craddock pulling one back for Sunderland in the second half.

Sunderland returned to Highbury exactly one month on in the Third Round of the League Cup, with Robert Pires returning from an injury which ruled him out of the title run-in the season before. Pires opened the scoring for a mostly second string Arsenal, with Francis Jeffers doubling the lead by half time. The second half however saw a Sunderland comeback as the Wearsiders inflicted a 2-3 defeat to knock Arsenal out of the competition. The 2002/03 season however would be a poor one for Sunderland, who won just four games all season and finished rock bottom of the Premiership. Arsenal however had blown the title a week earlier, though were about to embark on a record breaking unbeaten run. On the final day of the Premiership season Arsenal finally bagged a win at the Stadium of Light, with goals from Thierry Henry and a Freddie Ljungberg hat-trick meaning a 4-0 win for the Gunners.

In 2003/04, Sunderland finished third however would lose the play off semi-final to Crystal Palace, condemning the Wearsiders to another season outside of the top tier. Sunderland however would return to the Premiership as Second tier Champions in 2004/05. Arsenal returned to the Stadium of Light to face Sunderland again in the League Cup in late October 2005, with a great goal from Emmanuel Eboue as well as two for Robin Van Persie. Around a week and a half later Sunderland visited Highbury for the last time, where Arsenal in redcurrent pulled off a 3-1 win with goals from Robin Van Persie and two for Thierry Henry, with Alan Stubbs pulling one back for Sunderland.

On Mayday of 2006, with Arsenal chasing fourth spot in the Premiership the Gunners went to the Stadium of Light and pulled off a 3-0 win, taking the lead from a Danny Collins own goal, Cesc Fabregas adding a second, while Thierry Henry grabbed a third. The long term significance of this game however came from a leg-break injury picked up by Abu Diaby as a result of a tackle by Dan Smith, the consequences of which would be felt by the player for the next decade, who was never really the same player since. Sunderland however would finish the season bottom of the table and relegated out of the Premiership, winning just three games all season with a record low of just fifteen points.

Over the summer of 2006, a consortium led by Niall Quinn took over at Sunderland. Roy Keane had taken over from his old rival, the dismissed Mick McCarthy, as manager in August. Sunderland returned to the Premiership as Second tier Champions for 2006/07. Sunderland’s first game at Arsenal’s new stadium came in October 2007. Arsenal took a two goal lead with goals from a brilliant Robin Van Persie free-kick and Phillipe Senderos, however Sunderland pulled level with goals from Ross Wallace and Kenwyn Jones. Arsenal though were to take all three points with a Robin Van Persie strike ten minutes from time to give the Gunners a 3-2 victory. Arsenal however finished the season four points off the title and ended the season with a meaningless fixture away at the Stadium of Light, of which Arsenal would win 1-0.


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  1. Ombudsman

    Dec 07, 2015, 16:02 #80386

    Paul Beresford - ask for your money back. How much did you pay Online Gooner for an article which covers practically every Arsenal v Sunderland game with video footage?

  2. Westlower

    Dec 06, 2015, 10:48 #80288

    @Lord Froth, Commentators curse, but they remain head & shoulders over the rest in Bundesliga. I don't get involved with betting in the European leagues so I don't know what the odds were. I would imagine somewhere between Bournemouth at 8/1 & Sunderland at 14/1 in yesterdays games. They are currently 1/19 to win the Bundesliga with Dortmund at 20/1, Wolfsburg at 400/1, Munchengladbach at 600/1. At best it's a 2 horse race.

  3. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 10:12 #80287

    Why dont you have a go then Beresford? Astound us with your erudition and depth? We await your breath taking, ground breaking enlightenment with bated breath.

  4. Lord Froth

    Dec 06, 2015, 9:38 #80286

    @ Westlower - post 84981 - "In Germany BM are unbeaten in 14 games, 'accidents' don't happen there". They lost 3-1 on the same afternoon that you made that statement. Lol. What were the odds on that happening?

  5. Paul Beresford

    Dec 06, 2015, 8:44 #80285

    What a painful article to read... Too long, not particularly well written and I lost count of how many times the word 'however' features? Could do better Online Gooner.

  6. Mark from Aylesbury

    Dec 05, 2015, 21:25 #80283

    Well my pre season prediction was by now Chelsea would be home and dry. Never have I been so amused to be so wrong. If this run continuals to new year the mild flirtation with relegation becomes serious business, Chelsea just lost a 6 pointer today. Hilarious!

  7. Westlower

    Dec 05, 2015, 21:11 #80282

    It was a vital win today and maybe some good can come out of our injury crisis. Give Ramsey more responsibility & give him the captains armband. Keep him in the centre of midfield and let him make his late runs into the box. We have an abundance of players who can play wide right instead of Ramsey, in Theo, Ox & Campbell. Ozil can apply his magic in the space behind Giroud & ahead of Ramsey. It'll make us a more direct team than the over passing tippy tappy between Cazorla & Ozil. Alexis can play wide left & the team will have a better balance. If we can buy Lars Bender as DM in January it'll be a bonus. It's next to impossible to buy talented homegrown players as none of the top clubs can afford to release them as all clubs require a minimum of 8 of them. Man U have Carrick, Smalling, Jones, Young; Man City have Sterling, Delph; Liverpool have Lallana, Sturridge, Henderson; Everton have Coleman, Barkley, Stones, Lukaku; Leicester have Vardy; Spuds have Kane. All are valuable members of the first team. For sure the Manchester clubs & L'pool wouldn't release any of their homegrowns. Maybe Everton could be tempted but Chelsea have tried and failed to land Stones & they are on good terms with Everton after selling Lukaku to them. Should we offer Jack, Theo, Ox or Ramsey for sale, those clubs mentioned would snatch our arms off to get them. No I didn't back Bournemouth or Stoke but it puts a smile on your face doesn't it? You're only as good as your players Maureen, even if you can walk on water.

  8. Bard

    Dec 05, 2015, 20:51 #80281

    The debate about our injuries is puerile. We have at least 4 maybe 5 players in our squad who are injured for more than a third of every season this puts pressure on the others which is why we have Santi et al injured. You cant have rotation if every available option is in the treatment room. The stupidity of some of the responses is beyond belief. We have the most injuries of any pl side in the last 10 years. Today was a grind but well done to the guys. Really pleased for Campbell.

  9. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 05, 2015, 20:24 #80280

    The reason he keeps them is because it is nigh impossible to replace them with home grown players, no matter what anyone says. Why did City then buy Delph who sits on the bench? The premium on British players is astronomical because of that rule. Stones is a £50m player now. Madness really but loads of potential. Delle Ali, Kane, Jones, Barkley, Smalling, Vardy(older), Wilshere, Ox, Welbeck, Ramsey, Walcott, etc etc. A hard fought win today against a better than normal Sunderland who have a lot of experienced players in their squad and were well organised as per usual. Ozil was terrific again and ran the game again. What a talent he is to watch and especially live, his control and vision are second to none. Whatmore will be a danger to many defences. Chelsea's woes continue, which goes to show how dangerous every game is nowadays unless you are completely on your game. As for City, is it a draw and two losses in their last three games? And United can't score under Van Gaal's dull tactics. Now to focus on the CL in Greece.

  10. John F

    Dec 05, 2015, 20:07 #80279

    Westie did you get Stoke and Bournemouth today this is a very odd season.Pleased with result today thought Ozil played very well but our defending was poor.Today showed we really miss le coq.What le Coq does that Flamini doesn,t is hold his position in front of the back four who lets face it need protecting,a fact that Wenger did at least recognise by bringing on Chambers.What i could see all the Old problems before Le Coq stepped up are returning.Cech has already proved to me what an excellent buy he was after admittedly thinking he is past his best,without him Sunderland could of got a result.Home grown rule I thought it was being increased to 12 in 2016 which will mean bonanza time for some mediocre players if it gets through.

  11. jjetplane

    Dec 05, 2015, 19:56 #80278

    It's taken long enough but fair play to Giroud. He's finally got a ...... beard! Brilliant!

  12. John Gage

    Dec 05, 2015, 19:16 #80277

    @Goonercolesyboy: The point of my argument is that Wenger does not want to change these players that is why he has extended their contracts. One thing that stands out about this manager is his loyalty to players despite poor injury records the most striking example being Abou Diaby.

  13. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 05, 2015, 18:10 #80276

    Come on then John Gage, name your eight home grown players we should have. And don't say I am not paid to do this. You said it, you name them.

  14. Bard

    Dec 05, 2015, 17:13 #80275

    Excellent result given the circumstances. I wonder whether we are now on the cusp ?

  15. mbg

    Dec 05, 2015, 17:06 #80274

    No pitfalls today? so no excuses needed then ? does this mean the blip is over and we're up and running yet again? wenger out.

  16. John Gage

    Dec 05, 2015, 16:24 #80273

    @Westlower: Arsenal are a wealthy club by Premiership standards albeit not in the same league as Chelsea or Man City. I am confident that with the resources they have available experienced scouts, agents and personnel could be hired to find 8 homegrown players. The question though is if this is what Wenger wants. The fact that he extended Wilshere and Walcott's contract indicates that he has absolutely no intention of letting these injury prone players go.

  17. Ron

    Dec 05, 2015, 16:09 #80272

    Bard - true, clubs certainly do reflect the Coach. Arsenals biggest flaw is that their Coach is soft and uses a rather disingenuous use of 'principles' to mask his own obvious failings. Its quite common in people who are out of their depth in any walk of life. The other characteristic that such people have is the fear of being undermined or of having to tolerate a counter opinion by people in their midst who are stronger minded than they. Wenger deals with this by only recruiting personnel who he feels safe with. People and players who he knows wont challenge him or rock the boat. Im hesitant to use the word 'tyrant' to describe his traits, but he uses the same methods as political tyrants do. His primary intention is to protect his power base there and by never employing strong characters to challenge him he succeeds comfortably. Its hardly surprising that for so many years his players have been compliant church mice. Arshavin challenged him more than aby player this last decade. Wenger at first ignored him, than froze him out of the team by making him play in awkward unsuitable roles and then got rid of him. Lesser players arent even going to contemplate challenging him. Hes a footie club megalomaniac who has a deep rooted knowledge of himself being out of his depth. Its very unhealthy.

  18. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 05, 2015, 12:36 #80270

    Exeter : I don't think for a moment anyone outside of Arsenal supporters will treat AW's remarks about Sanchez seriously. It is left to those of us who still understand what Arsenal should mean to the footballing world to try and somehow turn the tide of crass stupidity that stalks the offices of our once great club.

  19. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 05, 2015, 12:26 #80269

    Wenger's latest remarks concerning Sanchez show why he's football's no.1 politician - distract from your own failings with a dramatic gesture or statement. Cameron call his opponents terrorist sympathisers and drops bombs; Wenger says his player could've been killed and makes Ryan Bennett a target now amongst the more gullible / stupid of the fanbase.

  20. mbg

    Dec 05, 2015, 12:23 #80268

    Exeter, now we know why him and others love and worship their messiah so much, and don't want him to go, they really love and worship money, made from TOF's ineptness and embarrassments, if he went where else would they be guaranteed a profit. Mark from Aylesbury, spot on post, how many time have we accused of that indeed, i have never heard any of us boast we have backed against them to just to make a profit, this will not go down well in central command at all at all, I can see expulsions here. wenger out.

  21. mbg

    Dec 05, 2015, 12:03 #80267

    Nick, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference mate, he'd still f**k it up, he'd tell the player (a striker?) i'm going to play you on the wing (a midfielder?)in defence, (a defender?)in midfield, and they'll run a mile to get away from him, no the only solution is a new manager who players have faith in. wenger out.

  22. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 05, 2015, 12:00 #80266

    Westlower - obviously you bet on other matches as well but it's undeniable there are more money making opportunities to be had from Arsenal being flaky side, as you have indicated with your remarks regarding the consistency of BM and PSG. As long as Wenger is manager that flakiness will go on as he doesn't sufficiently value leadership, organisation and steel, keep playing players he's declared are in the red zone and keep giving new contracts to players who've proved over years they'll miss much of each season. Your remark that this flakiness stems from the refs fits in with your desire to see it remain. Anyway enjoy the match today - lots of bookie booths on the concourses!

  23. Bard

    Dec 05, 2015, 11:43 #80265

    Westie: I couldnt agree more that the club have their head in the sand over injuries. I agree that a lot of injuries are random. But there are some players who are injury prone. Hargreaves, Diaby, Woodgate come to mind. I read that Theo has had 44 injuries since joining Arsenal and we have just given him another massive contract, work that one out. Its obvious there are no guarantees if you sign new players but a quick look at their game time gives you a pretty good idea. Ron; I read that rant and agree its bonkers. In time teams come to represent their manager, think Revie and Leeds, Shankly and Liverpool. Arsenal are like Wenger, they lack mental toughness, always look for excuses and are tactically moribund.

  24. mbg

    Dec 05, 2015, 11:33 #80264

    Have you heard the latest from the excuse making whinging robot? even though he was flogging Sanchez and admitting he was injured, it was him falling into the camera pit that caused his injury, talking about making excuses to cover ones ineptness and failings, and just before another potential embarrassment, this old fraud of a manager must really be under pressure especially over this injury fiasco and quite rightly so, and it's great to see. Go now you embarrassment.

  25. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 05, 2015, 11:22 #80263

    So Mr Sanchez could have been killed whilst playing football, No Arsene, my father could have been killed in the Atlantic convoys, my father in law could have been killed in the Normandy Landings, our soldiers could be killed when on "tours of duty", firemen and policemen are always in danger, medics in a war zone risk their lives daily, F1 drivers take their in lives in their hands each time they go behind the wheel and boxers suffer quite seriously for their chosen profession. Arsene, somehow I think most players wearing an Arsenal shirt should survive the 90 minutes of rough and tumble of a PL football match!

  26. Nick

    Dec 05, 2015, 11:06 #80262

    Well , Cazorla looks to be out for the duration, Sanchez out for who knows how long, our strength in depth looks what it is THREADBARE! Buying no one in the January window will be gross negligence! Our seasonal injury crisis is becoming like our nations response to snow in the winter, we are ALWAYS, totally unprepared for it ! Anything less than three points today against the black cats will be yet another nail in the coffin of our title " challenge" Wengers stubbornness will cost us dear once again, he should have no part in negotiating transfer fees or wages he should identity the players he wants then step back, apart from meeting with the player to tell him why he wants him and his aspirations for the player and the club, if and when we drop.out of the title race and if and when we end up potless this season only one man will be to blame , Wenger !!

  27. Ron

    Dec 05, 2015, 10:45 #80260

    There are many talented players in footie Westie who arent worth a place in a sqaud. Darren Anderton comes to mind. Great player but totally unreliable. Robben for so many yrs too and still terrific talent but unreliable. Wilshere has good attributes to his game. Perhaps a Coach like GN cd educate him and make him listen to where hes going wrong? i dont know. As it stands id sell him. I think young Ox is going the direction of JW too. Theses players are desperate for a new Coach and back room team in my view. Ramseys another. They need some simoplictity to be put into their games and to know their position. Trying to have a player fulfilling different roles each game and some times during the same game, as Wenger insists upon is itself a recipe for injury. Webster needs ousting for the good of the Club mainly but certainly for a number of players there. Hes in the papers today taking about death risks to players re cameras and Sanchez being pushed causing his injury etc etc. The man s barking. Sooner hes gone we might get a football Club back in my view.

  28. Westlower

    Dec 05, 2015, 10:45 #80261

    @Mark Your assessment of me is wide of the mark (excuse the pun). I have a vested interest in making money betting on football matches & that includes Arsenal winning, but only at the 'right' odds. The odds swing to and fro during a match & I swing both ways re Arsenal depending on current odds. Making a profit is the name of the game, whether Arsenal win, lose or draw. If I loyally backed Arsenal to win all of their 38 PL games + ECL games, I'd end up out of pocket, because in the majority of games Arsenal are odds on. Food for Thought: From our last 5 home fixtures v Sunderland, 3 have ended 0-0. Correct scores odds is 16/1 for 0-0 today. Must go as I've game to go to. GOYG!

  29. Alsace

    Dec 05, 2015, 10:38 #80259

    Jermain Defoe. Wenger could have picked him up at numerous stages and he would have done very nicely, as would Vardy in the summer break. But no. That which is obvious eludes him, while the complicated and fantastical are easily comprehended. It's why we want him elsewhere. He respects not the journeyman player. He wants them to have a double first from the Sorbonne in classics and weaving yoghurt.

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Dec 05, 2015, 10:05 #80258

    Exeter - you have really hit the nail on the head. How many times have we been told that we enjoy Arsenal losing , that we want Arsenal to fail for our own interests. Yet blatantly one of the biggest odd shouters for the regime actually has a financial interest in us losing. Unbelievable the gall of this odds shouter. Best make note of his financial interest when next time he rambles on about the joys of Wenger. Bet he won a packet when Brum beat us in the cup! Let's just say after Wenger goes a new manager wins a shock title (Graham mode) our odds will obviously shorten that means no profit for Westie. Does Westie then lose interest? Looks that way doesn't it.

  31. Westlower

    Dec 05, 2015, 9:44 #80257

    @Bard, It's not me who bangs on about homegrown players as it's compulsory to have a minimum of 8 on the books. I will say this one more time - youth team players do not count as homegrown until they reach 21 years old & have been registered with an FA or Welsh FA club for at least 3 years before their 21st birthday. It's an FA incentive to produce more home grown players. That's why Sterling, Stones & co command such high transfer fees - they are gold dust. There are no guarantees that replacements for Jack & Theo will play any more games than they have. Henderson & Sturridge are such players. Everyone is putting their heads in the sand over injury issues. According to Physioroom.com there are 97 PL players out injured this weekend. The problem is not confined to Arsenal, it's a British football disease & wont change until some fixtures are omitted from the calendar. Will Cattermole clatter Ozil, yes he will. Will Ozil hobble off injured? There's every chance he will.

  32. Bard

    Dec 05, 2015, 9:23 #80256

    Westie; I have no problem with GN's assessment of dear ol Jack but rather like Wally he's an accident waiting to happen. He is the new Diaby. Sell them both and buy players who will play more often. We would get the best part of £100m for them both. Westie, Colseyboysetc says there are some terrific boys in the youth team maybe they could make up the homegrown numbers you keep going on about. but then I am speaking as if Arsenal are a sports team rather than the social club it has become.

  33. Westlower

    Dec 05, 2015, 8:09 #80255

    @Ron &Bard, What do you make of Gary Neville's comment that Jack Wilshere is one of the best players he's ever coached? DB10 in the frame for the managers job at Reading. Predicted Sunderland line up shows 8 defenders with 2 attackers & 'chop yer legs off' Cattermole destroying in midfield. With swirly gusty winds it's gonna be a long afternoon.

  34. Westlower

    Dec 05, 2015, 6:32 #80254

    @Exeter, In the PL a shock result can happen to any team. If Bournemouth get something at the Bridge no one will be surprised. In France, PSG are unbeaten after 17 games, in Germany BM are unbeaten in 14 games, 'accidents' don't happen there. Better refs perhaps who protect the skillful players from the hairy arse lungers? I'd go skint backing in those countries with my betting strategy. Why does every debate centre on whether a Gooner is for or against AW? We are all Arsenal supporters & we all know Arsenal will only replace the manager in the summer. From the clubs perspective it's less traumatic doing it at that time. It's pointless demanding that he be sacked during the season as it simply won't happen. People like Piers Morgan crying for him to be replaced just splits the fan base further & we become weaker as a consequence. Zip your mouth Piers, the managerial change will happen in one of the next two off seasons. You can bet on it! WE need to score early today as more dropped points won't help our league aspirations one iota. Aaron Ramsey - show us what you got?

  35. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 05, 2015, 0:09 #80252

    Westlower - I can totally see how its in your interests for Arsenal to keep having these 'shock' results and 'accidents' so you can take advantage of the long odds available. You've no more actual faith in Wenger's teams than a diehard WOB have you. Youve been correctly predicting poor results against lower teams on here the last few weeks. Your motives for him wanting to go on and on however are apparent.

  36. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 23:18 #80251

    Colesyboy, it'll be far more interesting to see how many of them get injured and their career goes backwards when they have the misfortune of coming into contact with wenger.

  37. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 23:05 #80250

    Hiccup, they're non existent mate.

  38. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 22:59 #80249

    Got rid of Gilberto 18 mths too soon. Sacrificed on the alter of 'project youth'. What a raving success that was! Webster out.

  39. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 21:53 #80248

    Exeter, the penny will never drop for wengerites like him their to far gone, to indoctrinated (or as someone has already suggested it's because him and others are making to much money out of/because of TOF and his embarrassments) and once a new season starts it's like starting from scratch all the others, and the failures and embarrassments that went with them are forgotten about, air brushed out of history they never happened.

  40. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 04, 2015, 21:53 #80247

    Just got back from watching the youth team beat WBA in the youth cup at Borehamwood. Some promising youngsters playing. Be interesting to see how many make the first team. Jeff Reine Adelaide is an excellent prospect as is the right back Ben Sheaf. Mavdidi came on near the end and scored a cracker, but the best player looks to be a centre forward called Donyell Malen, super quick, skilful and took his goal well. The centre backs were good also, Da Graca and Bola. Saw Tim Sherwood there and Thierry in the dugout as an assistant. Miles better that the 9th tier, but Schhhhhhhhh don't tell jeffjunior. As for tomorrow, a confidence boosting win is essential for the league and for Wednesday in Greece.

  41. 80s Gooner

    Dec 04, 2015, 21:26 #80246

    I was there in 84. I remember a big boisterous bloke in the North Bank taking a ball square in the face from Sansom during the warm up (remember when Arsenal Players used to kick balls into the North Bank during the warm up). He didn't take it to kindly & it was one of those situations were your doing your best not to burst out laughing Was there in 90 also. Was working over time in the morning decided to drive down on the spur of the moment. Got completely lost & was getting desperate when out of nowhere the Sunderland team coach appeared so I followed it until I got my bearings. Correct me but I think that was our first game after the brawl at Old Trafford. Was also there in 96 with my kiwi mate (his first ever game) as I recall we made pretty hard work of it against 10 men. Also memorable for nearly getting run over by a bus just after stepping out of the Kings Cross Tandoori. Lastly did anyone read the interview with Gilberto in the Guardian? What a fantastic bloke & a great player. Arsenal have never really replaced him & I thought way the captaincy was taken off him was pretty disrespectful. I could not imagine Gilberto throwing a strop in the centre circle after giving away a last minute goal.

  42. Hiccup

    Dec 04, 2015, 21:11 #80245

    Don't you just love Westie. He jumps on anyone on here with any arsenal pessimism with bookies odds rammed down their throats to quell their points of view. And now he's saying the bookies have it wrong as they favour arsenal? Oh for an akb that can be taken even just slightly serious instead of a laughing stock.

  43. Westlower

    Dec 04, 2015, 21:09 #80244

    @Ron, You are correct in saying it's easy to lose your money. The great advantage about football betting as opposed to horses or dogs is that there is only 3 possible results. When Liverpool went behind at Southampton, I was able to bet on them at 8/1 to win the game & 100/30 to qualify and the game still had 70 odd minutes to go. Once Liverpool went ahead I was able to back Southampton to guarantee a profit whatever the final result. It's very satisfying, not to mention rewarding to get into that situation.

  44. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 20:52 #80243

    Isn't it funny how these players never get injured when the seasons over? when their travelling around the world with their mates getting fatigued, playing football on the beach, jumping on each others shoulders and back in the sea, getting pissed in night clubs and falling off tables all over the place, smoking fags/dope, larking around pools pushing shoving each other in, then at night shagging anything that moves all with very little sleep (no fatigue there)then when they get back to old vinegar and start preseason with his out dated regime and philosophies and his tippy tappy training they get injured and are out for months.

  45. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 20:35 #80242

    Westie - i dont gamble but my 'stepson'[ gives it a whirl with his 2 or 3 quid bets. Hes 22 and more or less talks a similar logic of sorts thereabouts. He s been betting about a yr. Its hardly rocket science how to make bookies rich is it.

  46. Westlower

    Dec 04, 2015, 20:14 #80241

    Well done Exeter. You're getting warm. The key to successful punting is to have different views to whatever the common consensus is. Hype is the bookies friend. Very few doubt the 'words of wisdom' that are generated by the expert pundits & media. Arsenal are generally under priced to win matches dint of their reputation. Because bookies work to set percentages, Arsenal's opposition is usually overpriced. To a numbers man like me it's manna from heaven. There was initially a 20 point differential between Arsenal & Sunderland but that has now been reduced to 16 points or less. I only need Arsenal to lose 3 or 4 times a year at those odds to make a substantial profit. I expect my bets to lose tomorrow but should there be a shock I'm quids in. I expect Chelsea to retrieve my expected loses at the Emirates by beating Bournemouth. Once you get to grips with the fact that Arsenal will not win more than 24 PL games, that leaves 14 games to make a profit. Identifying which is which is the trick. 'In play' betting has opened up new options. If Arsenal score first, I back the draw & the other team at largely inflated prices. If Arsenal go a goal behind I back them to win. My ideal day is when Arsenal win a game coming from behind eg Leicester. In games like beating Man U 3-0, I take a pounding but I'm happy to do so. It's all about making a profit over time. Given the choice I'd sooner Arsenal win well & I lose my money, but on the sh*t days, a pile of money compensates for feeling down after Arsenal drop points, eg Wham, CFC, Sheffield Wednesday, Olympiacos, Zagreb, TH, WBA, Norwich + Leicester, means I've had 9 winning days on Arsenal games alone this season. I didn't bet on the Bayern games because their price was too short & as it happens it saved me a finacial hammering at the Emirates. It's a funny ole game Saint...

  47. Bard

    Dec 04, 2015, 19:15 #80240

    Wtf; Hi Jamerson how goes it mate? Are they monitoring your meds? All good in the real world. Hope things are improving and that we shall soon see you back on the site with your multiple personalities. Going underground isnt doing you any favours, the language and stance is a giveway mate.

  48. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 04, 2015, 19:02 #80239

    Think I've worked it out at last. Westlower isn't an AKB at all. He just knows he can make a regular few quid betting against AFC due the regularity with which they don't win matches they should. So the constant excuse generating for the status quo is due to not wanting the gravy train to stop. It all makes sense now.

  49. Hiccup

    Dec 04, 2015, 18:49 #80238

    The bookies have got it wrong? The team in 14th place playing 18th should have more chance of winning than the team in 4th playing 17th? It's just unrelenting. Post after post, after post of unequivocal garbage. Is Westie a Monty Python sketch writer?

  50. Patrick

    Dec 04, 2015, 18:28 #80237

    Kalstrom was class at his best?? Nothing lost by signing him?? Wow. The arsenal needed a midfield holder (God knows why I'm using past tense) wenger's insight was to bring in an injured, past his best (that's the inference from the comment, which is clearly correct) second rate player. The man is part of a cartel charging us for Waitrose products whilst supplying us with Aldi goods. The squad is good enough to improve in league finishing, but the manager and leadership of the the club doesn't have this as the priority., It's scary how long this emporer is going to get away with these new clothes

  51. Cyril

    Dec 04, 2015, 18:22 #80236

    Ofcourse the only conundrum is how you get to have a good beer before the game now: in my case it's lager and bull**** and a 'moon cresta' landing [eighties arcade game] onto my seat as the whistle blows. Latest email - please turn up an hour at least b4 the game, world politics etc etc... I have only continued going as I see my mates and we can get trolleyed and have a curry after. Thank God, I am not there this year. A beer in the pub and no queues and the league title would be nice. I will use the 1200 saved wisely on all the lovely guest ales instead. Or is it 'over egging'. Get everyone in the stadium and queue politely for half an hour to have a watered down beer in a make shift car park. ARSENAL , you make it so enticing. Unreal!

  52. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 18:20 #80235

    In form Sunderland have these wengerites no fooking ambition? making excuses already, pathetic, we should be stuffing Sunderland injuries or not, (although it'll not come as a surprise if we don't or make any difference if we do) after all all our players are internationals and we're supposed to have one of the best coaches in Europe, it just shows the faith they have in their messiah, laughable, You really couldn't make it up.

  53. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 04, 2015, 17:34 #80233

    Eventually the penny will drop with Westlower that we're not just talking about this season but the last decade. Or maybe it already has and he's being disingenuous cos the priority is defending dear old Arsene at all costs, not looking at the reality of the situation.

  54. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2015, 17:07 #80232

    As I recall the situation Westie regarding the broken backed Swede that Arsene signed,the real scenario was that no one at the club had any idea that he had this injury until near closing time on deadline day.This despite him being on sick leave from his club in Russia. It was all just another comical caper from Wenger and co who are known for not doing their homework properly on players that they sign. The real issue regarding this though was that theoretically we were in a position to challenge for the title but clearly, as is always the case , needed new signings to help do this. So then even had the Swede not had a broken back the reality is that at his age he was no more than a squad player to fill in for Arteta - who is only moderate himself anyway .More ,much more ,was required from Wenger but as usual this was not forthcoming .Result we ended up finishing 4th with no title challenge having been made. Even 4th was a close run thing.But was still celebrated as though we had won the title. You couldn't make it up.

  55. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2015, 16:45 #80230

    Not much , or if any difference I guess Ron , between the Dale Evan's style supermarket dash fun-fest with Arsene adding plodding Per to his cartel despite having stated 2 years previously that he was not good enough for us, and that of the panic buying of hapless Danny by Wenger after Stan had heard the jeers of the away supporters at Leicester advising him in somewhat more industrial language than I am using to buy a striker .Hey Stan you dimwit ,they said, a Striker ! Not an imposter. All good for as you say Ron a laugh not least the Danny one ,the crowd outside the coliseum on SKY deadline day cheered when they heard that Ivan( clever guy him just the sort we need) had refuted claims that we were signing Wellbeck .Only for an announcement later that we in fact were doing! You really couldn't make it up.What all of this malarkey does show though is that Stan and Wenger are desperately reacting to events rather than making things happen .They are going to need a mighty amount of luck this season not to end up with egg all over their faces after the mess that arrogant Arsene has made of things.

  56. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 16:37 #80229

    So he may have been Westie but employing and paying a bloke who you know isn't likely to play because of his broken back has to be the transfer lunacy of the century. The smaller Clubs have grown from bus parking now mate. Theres less respect for the cartel than there was. S'land are garbage whichever way they play it out. 2-0.

  57. Westlower

    Dec 04, 2015, 16:16 #80228

    @Ron, What other choice is there for Sunderland than to park the bus? If they open out, they'll get picked off. Expect a bore-fest. They'll hope to score from a dead ball situation. No excuses being made in advance Ron, I just call it as I see it & put my money down accordingly. It's a shame people ridicule Kallstrom because he was a class act at his best & we got him on a freebie anyway. Nothing lost by signing him. AFC didn't even pay his wages for 3 months while he was recovering from his back injury.

  58. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 16:14 #80227

    That ll crack it Westie. I think they should be allowed to drop out of the Cups and int'l frendlies but i d go further. I d give the cartel clubs a bye and 3 pts v any team thats in the bottom 10 at any given time. You could even just have 45 minute games when the cartel are playing away. This way, the Club saves millions in costs, the fatigue is eliminated. Arsenal can charge Cat A prices for each game and make it £250.00 a ticket. They barely play any pressure CL games anyway but that could go back to Champions only to avoid it all together?. The games could be played only on days when the weathers good and the mid season break could last 5 months. Brilliant.

  59. jjetplane

    Dec 04, 2015, 16:14 #80226

    I don't believe Arsenal have an injury crisis. other clubs do but Arsenal have something more sensitive, delicate than the other hairy arses with their broken limbs and rotting teeth ..... it's akin to a delicate violinist coming down with a bout of melancholic victorianus where only a pressing of leeches might relieve symptoms such as hallucinogenic visions of parked er trams stretching into the horizon in a great northern fog. Best that these childlike Artisans take to their quarters til spring doth call fourth and indeed the magical four awakens the young scamps from their reveries and Stan is at the ready with sack awaiting his coin and a steamer to take him back to the place they stole from them pesky injuns. I agree with WESTIE the Macams/Moluccans will be rampant as they lay siege to an ill protected Fort Webster ..... Wake me up before you go go .....

  60. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 16:01 #80225

    Whats worse Jeff? A panic buy or a trolley dash buy? Ive never quite distinguished one from the other. I suppose a trolley dash looks more frantic and desperate than just panic though? The trolley dash is more fun to watch as the names roll in and the smiling, holding up of the shirts photos happen repeatedly but theres some thing about a panic buy that wets the pallette isnt there. You can get a teasing type panic buy like a Wellbeck where you think hmmm, could be a coup, or you get a Kallstrom which is a humdinger of a laugh. Arthur has mastered both types of buy, credit due.

  61. Westlower

    Dec 04, 2015, 15:57 #80224

    Remarkable as it may seem AFC are only joint 3rd with Citeh in the most players injured list. Man U are 5th.The penny will drop eventually that this is not an Arsene problem but a problem with English football & the way it's run by the money hungry administrators. It can't be too far into the future when the big clubs break away from the current malaise and form their own super league where they call all the shots. Releasing players for friendly International games will be but a distant memory as will appearances in minor cup competitions such as LC & Europa League.

  62. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2015, 15:45 #80223

    In a dull game of bus parking mediocrity that Fat Sam will serve up against Wenger's tippy tappy try and walk the ball into the net tactics the odds are on it all ending in a draw Westie . I think though that somehow Wenger will win this game probably by a stroke of good fortune rather than by any flashes of inspiration from the old has been. This looks like a game where we need Bellerin and AOC to be flying down the wings putting crosses over for the dense flat-footed big Oliver to try and get his big bonce on .I'm expecting the usual passing sideways 45 pass moves that break down at the end to nothing though.We will probably win by being awarded a dodgy penalty or some such thing. The lack of goal threat from Fat Sam's side makes things a bit easier,but if anyone can cock this advantage up then our Inspector Clueless is that man. Chelsea looks the safer banker bet of the two fixtures I will not be putting our one in my permutations and see the game as being best left alone from a betting medium point of view.It probably is as well as regarding a sporting spectacle one - with watching wet paint dry likely to be more entertaining. C'est la vie!

  63. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 15:40 #80222

    ' in form Sunderland ' ? Do me a favour Westie. Theyve had a couple of fortunate results. They're absolutely rubbish. Just a different level of rubbish under each Coach they have.Injuries, tiredness call it how you see it. Indeed roll out the whole repertoire of the usual excuses and justifications for Arsenals tepid performances, but they should be beaten 2 or 3 -0 without a problem. They can park the bus or even board the bloody goal up with pallet wood and Arsenal at home should see them off.Nothing like getting yr excuses in pre match though eh! To quote Jeff - you couldn't make it up.

  64. jjetplane

    Dec 04, 2015, 15:26 #80221

    Thing with Sir Arthur is he has taken player injury to a sublime art form. Reel back to Theo smiling like a good 'un as he was carried off against the Spuds with his oh so daring 2 finger which he had been practicing when his mum wasn't around. He looked happy to be out of it having 'put so much into it.' Think of Ozil agreeably slipping into hibernation last season because 'he was overwhelmed by the clob scene in London?!' WESTiE knows a dud horse when he sees one ....

  65. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 14:49 #80220

    Bard, jw, pure spin or as jw says lies, the same thing, but you know what? the vinegarets will lap it up, and old vinegar himself knows that.

  66. Westlower

    Dec 04, 2015, 14:37 #80219

    I reckon the bookies have cocked up with their odds tomorrow as they rate Arsenal have a better chance of beating inform Sunderland than Chelsea have of beating Bournemouth. Arsenal are 1/4 (80% chance of winning) & Chelsea 2/5 (71.5%). As usual my money is where my mouth is by backing CFC to win. Also backed AFC not to win at 7/2. Here's hoping I lose my money!

  67. mbg

    Dec 04, 2015, 14:37 #80218

    Good read Robert, Oh for a 17 year old Tony Adams today, but would he have come good so quick under wenger ? (like the others we're still waiting on, wally etc,etc,) would he have picked up injures like the rest under the wenger regime and had his career ruined before it started? would he have ever become the player he was under wenger knowing what he thinks of defending and coaches it or not? Hell TOF would probably play him on the wing, or more than likely he'd never be about the place as TOF wouldn't pay over the odds for an English player, Thank God for George Graham.

  68. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2015, 14:14 #80217

    Bard,it goes beyond self-denial these claims by Wenger and his disciples that his squads do not have a worse injury problem than others. To me it is just blatant lying by Wenger who must know that he has the worst record for injuries in the game. The ex-Welsh fitness and training coach who clashed with Wenger over the last Ramsey injury has laid the blame at Wenger's door for all of these injury problems as did Capello when he was England manager obviously they are right about that. The stats prove it and as you pointed out earlier this season starting the season with a larger group of players who can be guaranteed to get injured - or already are so - than what other teams have will always when the wear and tear on the fitter players, who have to play more games due to the lack of cover for them , produces this higher proportion of injuries than is normal.I myself predicted that Ramsey, Jack,Wally , Arteta and Danny Welbeck would all be out injured at some time or other . As it happens with the exception of Ramsey who has just come back from his latest injury they are all out together injured at the moment and of course this is not down to misfortune. Arteta should have been replaced . Wenger tried to send Flammy out on loan but he refused to go,some rather muddled thinking again here from Arsene with him unbelievably banking on Arteta to cover for Coq .Not exactly on top of his game old Arsene these days is he . Wellbeck with his poor goal-scoring ratio and frequent injury issues should never have been signed to begin with.He was another of those panic buys that according to some do not happen.Jack is another Diaby who Wenger is wasting more time and money on. Wally is always injured at some time in the v season,if not for most of it and I will be amazed if he is not out again before this current one is over. He is just very fragile. The Cazorla and Sanchez injuries are down to over-playing these pair by Wenger they play in every game and Wenger leaves themn on even wwhen the game is won as against Zagreb. Coq's injury was down to his style of tackling I have noticed that he often ends up limping after after some of his combative tackles on opponents after launching himself at them. Perhaps a better coach than Wenger is might be able to improve things in that regard for Coq. All cause and effects the injuries that we receive some are unfortunate but that is the norm when it goes beyond the norm then there must be reasons for this.No matter what Wenger claims and others the fact is that he must take the blame for having this massive problem that under his management and training regime is ever on going.

  69. jjetplane

    Dec 04, 2015, 14:13 #80216

    I reckon with Sanchez and Santi out for months there is only one thing for Ozil to do - 'get injured.' It would appear infectious under the Webster Model for players to fold under any kind of physicality and let's be honest - who can he play triangles with now? Sunderland are coming into some form so it could be a strange one tomorrow and I see a smiling Sam and a nervous Arthur before me. Made the journey for that 2001 draw up at the S of L though strangely saw a handful of games there not featuring Arsenal as I was also living/working up dem parts at the time. Met some right characters up there and no love lost between that great divide as I spent even more time in the Newcastle area. Anyway - that Klopp bloke ..... 'having another TURN' lol!

  70. CT Gooner

    Dec 04, 2015, 13:54 #80214

    One of the things I've enjoyed with this years team is the play and trust Ozil and Sanchez have been building. One of the few bright spots, given that our speed of play has significantly deminished over the years. I'm concerned with the loss of Sanchez that we may see a lot less production from Ozil. We really need to sharpen up at the back and cut out those momentary laps of reason if we're to get what we want from this game.

  71. Ron

    Dec 04, 2015, 13:45 #80213

    AKB - I used to bang the drum to sign Defoe for quite some yrs. There was much talk back in 03 that AFC were going to sign him.Always been a good player. I think hes lost his pace and sharpness now though.He looks a bit heavier now than he ever did.

  72. John F

    Dec 04, 2015, 13:20 #80212

    Ireally enjoy reading these Flashback posts Rob thankyou.One memory I have of Sunderland is I made friends with some Sunderland lads while on holiday and one who was organiser of his local Sunderland supporters club met up with me for the Arsenal home game. He came out for a few beers afterwards and a few of my mates turned up one of whom was a Newcaslte fanatic.They could barely talk to each other such is the hatred between the two clubs,made it a very uncomfortable night out.

  73. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 04, 2015, 12:26 #80209

    ...I felt like vomiting after watching that 0-0 last year. This year'll be the same (to the power of three!) with time being wasted by their players right from the off. They'll be falling down easily; the GK will be walking from one side of the 6 yard area to the other to kick the ball out; players not taking the nearest ball offered by the ball-boy; dropping it on purpose; aiming for row Z etc. Looking on the bright side, it could be cold/wet enough to get the puma zip--cot out again - now that's entertainment from the best league in the world. Anyone paid £100 for a ticket? I'm prepared to be shot down here,but would anyone else like to see OGL take a punt in the window on Jermain Defoe? Massive Gooner (apparently) and one of the few spuds of yesteryear who used to cause us genuine panic.

  74. Bard

    Dec 04, 2015, 12:12 #80207

    Roll on Sunderland. Big Sam will relish giving it some against Arsenal. Just watched the boss tell the news team that Arsenal's injury levels are no worse than any other team in Europe. Fact Arsenal have had more injuries than any other PL side since 2010, 422. next Untd 402. So who is telling porkies ? Its not the Arsenal way

  75. Jamie

    Dec 04, 2015, 11:30 #80205

    Look at the speed with which the policeman dashes down the touchline to break up the Speedie/Bennet clash. All of 2 miles an hour...