Arsenal see off Wearsiders

Online Ed: Sam Allardyce’s Sunderland beaten on a nervy afternoon



Arsenal see off Wearsiders


Wow. Arsenal are ahead of Manchester City, Manchester United and Chelsea in the table after 15 matches, in a season in which at times they have looked like champions elect in some games, and chumps in others. With only Leicester ahead of them, there is no doubt that this is a very wide open title race.

Manchester City are suffering injury problems as bad as Arsenal’s. Manchester United are playing as if George Graham circa 1993-94 were their manager, whilst Chelsea have imploded. But two things could unhinge the Gunners’ aspirations to be champions. The injuries to key men and a lack of defensive discipline. Both need to improve.

Sunderland are no great attacking force, but on the counter attack exposed Arsenal too many times for comfort, leading to a nervous atmosphere in the stadium. With excellent chances, they could have gone ahead at 0-0 (Borini), also at 1-1 (Fletcher) and leveled the game near the death before Ramsey made it 3-1 (Van Aanholt). Was the lack of defensive solidity a consequence of playing Flamini instead of Coquelin? One fears the Flamster is not disciplined enough in the holding role to cover for what may be a two month absence for his more switched on compatriot. Were Jermaine Defoe playing, there is every chance that a team in the relegation zone might have denied Arsenal precious points.

However, at the other end, in the absence of creative forces Alexis and Cazorla, Arsenal did fashion chances of their own. They dominated possession and although it took time to find their groove, they unpicked Sam Alardyce’s team often enough to ensure the points, albeit on a nervy afternoon. The opening goal was another Ozil creation, and thankfully converted by Joel Campbell. Giroud’s header from Ramsey’s cross was an excellent finish. With Sunderland chasing an equalizer, there were a number of decent chances before Ramsey finally killed the game with the ball ricocheting around the area.

It was a much needed win after the series of two draws and a defeat, and the thought that Arsenal are so well placed in the table after such a disastrous November defies belief. There is no question the title is there for the taking, but whether or not the team has enough in them to put together the run that will be necessary to propel them to glory is really a question of watch and wait. Good results against Olympiacos and Villa will set the side up nicely for the visit of Manchester City in what could be one of the most significant fixtures of the season. A couple of draws in those games might not augur so well.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has a chance to press his claim for a first team place, and one imagines it will be between him and the more defensively disciplined Joel Campbell as to who starts in Greece on Tuesday night. This assumes Theo Walcott and Olivier Giroud will both start. Given the lack of alternatives and the need for goals, it would be strange if Wenger left one of those two on the bench. Yesterday, the Ox did not perform with any particular distinction, but he needs games. Unhappy at the lack of first team action, amidst talk that he wants away, he needs to perform better to convince that he is worth retaining. I have a feeling Campbell will get the nod in Greece, if for no other reason than the immutable law of the ex (the Costa Rican having played for the opposition for a season).

Aaron Ramsey played in his favoured role and did look good. I have written before that there is an element of Bryan Robson to his game, although in this day and age, making the kind of challenges the former England skipper did would see him collect too many yellow and red cards. But in terms of box to box, he has plenty of fuel in the tank. He does though need a more disciplined partner than Flamini or Jack Wilshere. But Arsenal neglected to fill the Morgan Schneiderlin shaped hole in the squad and looking at yesterday’s display, the fear is they will suffer the consequences more than once before Le Coq’s return.

Still, hope springs eternal, and the table does not lie. Arsenal could finish first, sixth or anywhere in between by the end of May. Certainly it is a less predictable season this time around. Liverpool and Tottenham could yet sneak into contention, although where the latter are concerned, my thought is that their midfield is probably too inexperienced to see the job through at the business end of the season. As for Liverpool, their chances may well depend on the business they manage to do in the January transfer window, and the fitness of Daniel Sturridge.

Compared to the Spanish and German leagues, the English competition is far more interesting as a spectacle this season. At times it feels like a tombola as to who is going to be top on any given weekend. Strange times, but certainly an opportunity for someone. Will it be Arsenal? If I were a betting man, I would say that without Coquelin and Alexis for an extended period, my money would be elsewhere. However, as the late Brian Moore, once said, it is most definitely “up for grabs now”.

To finish, some sad news. 90 year old Ernie Crouch, well-known member of the Arsenal supporters club, was killed by a gust of wind that blew him into a bus yesterday as he made his way to the stadium. He has followed Arsenal since attending his first game in 1934, and was a regular home and away, his final match being Norwich away last weekend. For those unaware of Ernie, you can read more about him here. Rest in peace Ernie.

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  1. Ron

    Dec 07, 2015, 21:40 #80405

    Gcolesey if you seriously think they ll give it any more than they do the League Cup yr truly kidding yself to the ultimate level. You clearly never saw his interview a week or two back either when he was asked about it. His surly attitude as he sniggered at the prospect stunk the place out. Not only demeaning to the Club, but to the other Clubs here and abroad who do give it a good crack of the whip.

  2. Th14afc

    Dec 07, 2015, 18:46 #80397

    RIP Ernie....they don't make them like him anymore

  3. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 07, 2015, 18:21 #80396

    Ron, you've got a lot to say for yourself about Arsenal and their inner thoughts. When have they played in the Europa league? Never, until maybe after Wednesday. So how do you know we are snobs about this competition when we have never been in it? Guesswork? Your inner held views about the club? I can't see the difference between playing Thursday, Sunday than Wednesday, Saturday, so I see no reason not to try and win it, unless the league is the main priority. As Westlower says, Leicester have no other distractions and good luck to them, so let's see what they are really made of in their next four games, Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc. Muguiresbridge,, is Sanchez out for five months? Must have missed that news. Fav

  4. mbg

    Dec 07, 2015, 17:35 #80394

    Ron, it'll not worry Arsenal alright, but the best thing about it is it will be a kick on the arse for wenger a real come down, a real blow to/for his ego (and that can only be good if nothing else)having to play in the second class ropey even though as you say it's where us and especially him belong, he'll want out of it asap, or that'll be the excuse all round anyway if/when we're embarrassed in it as well.

  5. Ron

    Dec 07, 2015, 14:45 #80378

    R/K - youre bang on there i reckon. The red manc fans are gonna have to get used to a new reality at Old Titford and on top of that there going to have to watch red manc supremacy be swept away by blue manc hegemony. Bloody hell, its make me feel like moving back up there just so i can see the tears and squirming and whinging! Its going to fantastic. Ive visited the City complex and ran up and down the alleyways at the Etihad on sponsored mud runs that side of the City. East Manchester is the place to be now footie wise. The stuff on SKY this morning showed it in all of its grandeur. The culture of the Club is tremendous. They ll win the CL soon enough as sure as Wenger will struggle with his zip next month. The way its going, the whole job lot of those PL cLubs, Arse and Utd included will be seeing City disappearing over the horizon in the big Club stakes. The Arabs are to be congratulated for what they've done there and how they've done it. Chelsea FC is just playing at it in their usual tacky and cheap way.

  6. mbg

    Dec 07, 2015, 14:28 #80375

    There you have it then all's well that ends well, Sanchez is now getting the break we were all calling for after being run into the ground and played when injured, but it seems (according to some) it's better to wait until he's injured or completely breaks down to give him his well deserved rest as it's better to rest while injured than rest him before he breaks down thus avoiding injury and break down in the first place (Jesus wept, I thought i'd heard it all)which I now see is up to five months not counting how long it will take him to get back to his best (if he ever does) I don't know about anyone else but it seemed simpler and better all round to give him a rest telling him to go away and lie on a beach for two or three weeks whether he liked it or not(like fergie or any manager worth his salt would have done with a player who wasn't 100% right)especially our best one, rather than having him doing it now with a serious injury for four MONTHS, but no this is wenger we're talking about (and his wengerites) a clueless fool who should have been put out grass years ago who never acts until it's to late (as he's only interested in himself and his own image and what's good for him) even then more often than not he f***s it up, to think some actually believe that to be a good or the best scenario, as I said I thought i'd heard it all. You really couldn't make it up.

  7. Radfordkennedy

    Dec 07, 2015, 13:56 #80369

    Westie....agree with you mate LVG plays some mind numbing football,however I'm convinced that the glazers have looked at AFC and thought 'that'll do us'. When SAF retired it was the end of a dynasty for United and after the Moyes debacle they desperately needed to steady the ship, scared of becoming Liverpool LVG has proved to be the perfect ballast and will keep them top four, and if they win anything along the way mores the better.With the Chinese buying in at City, they I feel will move to a level hitherto unknown in our game and all the financial power that goes with it, with this in mind I think United will still buy big to ensure top four rather than on a wing and a prayer like us,but not wholesale purchases as before.I think the ' qualify and get the money' business plan will become the norm over and above any sporting ambition

  8. Nick

    Dec 07, 2015, 12:56 #80357

    Rip Ernie, at ninety years old how many Arsenal highs and lows did he witness, a true gooner, as for the game, uncomfortable viewing, we never really looked comfortable in our own skins and if not for Cech could well have come unstuck, the fact were in the position we are is an indictment of the quality of the league rather than a validation of our quality, had Wenger done what obviously needed doing in the summer window we could be far better placed than we already are , its still a mistake that could yet come back to haunt us, this title is there for the taking , I doubt well have a better opportunity, if we fail it will be down totally to mismanagement!

  9. Westlower

    Dec 07, 2015, 12:48 #80356

    @Exeter, 'Tis a thin line between an excuse and a reasoned analysis of what has occurred. By coming to a different conclusion to the majority, I hope it gives me an edge in my betting activities. Some you win, some you lose. I cannot believe it's advantageous to play more games than your rivals. Let's see if Leicester's form disintegrates over the busy Christmas period. They only have two injured players at present, one of whom hasn't played all season. One game a week & injury free has been a significant help to them. Good luck to them, while it lasts. As Ranieri says, 40 points is the objective.

  10. Ron

    Dec 07, 2015, 12:32 #80354

    Westie - if they fall into the Europa Lge, it wont worry Arsenal. They ll abort it before you can blink. A couple of games tops. Arsenal think theyre above the Europa League in the Clubs arrogance. Reality is that its the only euro tournie the Clubs ever likely to win short of radical and deep reaching change of regime. They are a Europa Cup Club, just like Spurs, like Everton et al. Its this type of snobbery thats held the Club back for years. They should embrace it and put some euro respectability on the Clubs CV. Will they though? Will they f--k. Sickening attitude from a Club thats been 'ill' for years. The illusion of what the Club has become though still reigns supreme, at least for the present.

  11. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 07, 2015, 11:43 #80349

    You misunderstand my post, Westlower. I'm not denying these things can be factors, it's as you suggest, it's the same for everyone. So they're not excuses you can fall back on at the end of the season for failure.

  12. Westlower

    Dec 07, 2015, 10:48 #80344

    @Exeter, Fatigue doesn't stop any player from playing well or any team winning but it does take the edge of performances. Even a 5% physical/mental drop can make the difference between winning or not. Liverpool are a good example this week, tremendous midweek to really ordinary yesterday. Proof if proof were needed a good performance isn't necessarily down to the coach but is far more dependent on the players performing near their best. Having a crowded fixture list is not conducive to consistent form levels. Long injury lists compound the problem because fewer players have to carry the work load. In spite of a horrendous injury list Arsenal have out performed most teams in the PL. Played 15. won 9 - joint top best with Leicester & Citeh. TH & L'pool have won 6, CFC 4. Joint top best Goal Difference of +14 with Citeh. Joint top away wins with Leicester with 5. TH have won 2, CFC only 1. Third best goals against record with 13 behind Man U 10 & TH 12. The only team to beat Leicester, winning 5-2 away. Only 2 points off the top of PL. Contrary to many opinions on this site Wenger must be doing something right?

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 07, 2015, 10:15 #80342

    If fatigue is not an Arsenal disease then we won't see it as an Arsenal excuse for falling short at the end of the season. Nor injuries, as apparently these are no worse than anyone else's. That still leaves quite a few in the locker though - the refs, the fixture list and so on. Glad last night's ID highjacking has been cleaned up. Take note, colesyetc - that's trolling.

  14. Westlower

    Dec 07, 2015, 9:51 #80339

    A £1 double on Arsenal winning 5-0 & Campbell scoring a hat-trick will return a profit of £10,200. A £5 double wins £51,000. That'll make you shout.....

  15. Westlower

    Dec 07, 2015, 9:39 #80337

    @Arseneknewbest, Joel Campbell is 100/1 to score a hat-trick; 9/4 to score anytime & 17/2 to score the 1st goal. Arsenal to win 5-0 is 100/1, 4-0 is 33/1 to 45/1, 3-0 is 16/1 to 21/1. My fancy of 3-1 varies between 12/1 to 16/1. AFC are 11/10 to win the game. Olympiacos have conceded 8 goals in their last 3 games. Hope springs eternal!

  16. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 07, 2015, 9:15 #80336

    Nice post Ron - Leicester to win the PL and Mourinho to present it to Ranieri on the last game of the season - I would love it!

  17. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 07, 2015, 9:07 #80335

    Ron and Westie - It's about following the money of course - much more filthy lucre for getting knocked out in the last 16 of the CL than getting to or near to ropey final. In the pyrhhic (sp?) tradition of Arsenal elimination games from the CL, expect a 1-0 or 2-1 win, i.e. not quite enough but a face-saving attempt. My stupid and oft-broken heart is hoping for a 4-0, with a homecoming hat-trick for Joel "souper" Campbell. What would be the odds...

  18. chris dee

    Dec 07, 2015, 9:03 #80334

    I hope someone at the club reminds Oxlade Chamberlain that he is not Messi,Ronaldo and Suarez rolled into one and that effort,application and at least a semblance of enthusiasm should be part of a players game. He's making Nicolas Anelka look like Mr Happy and Mr Cheerful on one of their better days.

  19. Westlower

    Dec 07, 2015, 8:48 #80333

    @Ron Too late to send the U18's as we remain in Europe regardless of the result v Olympiacos. Fatigue is not an Arsenal disease. Quote from Pellegrini: We are the only side left in 4 competitions but we are playing with the same 12-13 players every week, and this is a team that has not recovered from some of the previous games. Quote from Martinez: Lukaku was jaded by World Cup. Quote from Aaron Ramsey: I'm nowhere near being fully match-fit & I was blowing out of my backside in the 2nd half. The good news is that Flamini covered 7.9 miles which was half a mile more that Watmore, who was Sunderland's hardest worker. Great in one respect, but please stay back more often in your holding role Flam? Alexis is now getting the extended break everyone was demanding. Better to rest when injured, than rest when you want to play. He's now back in Chile on his December break. Where did the Ox story come from? What a jaded performance from Klopp's men at Newcastle? Benteke for Giroud anyone? Anyone out there who would still swap Fabregas for Ozil? Oh Maureen, we luv U. I never realised mbg wanted Wenger out, when did he mention this?

  20. Cyril

    Dec 07, 2015, 4:20 #80331

    Rest in peace - Ernie. Painful news.

  21. CT Gooner

    Dec 07, 2015, 3:01 #80330

    3 points, but God we were pish. I don't think Pentilion made a save. I think the untouchables would have beaten us 4-0.... Lesson for 2015 has been Wenger was right, our squad is good enough for the premier league. He was just smart to know how crap the league is.

  22. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 22:44 #80329

    Arsene Knows, great post, post of the day, (nobody say i'm biased) a great win indeed against one of the best teams in the prem, and best manager, we'd have taken a draw before kick off.

  23. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 22:27 #80328

    Captain Frank, the fact the two were mentioned in the same post should be simple enough for even you to understand, (but obviously not, and it's not to hard to know why) one we have an old past it whinging manager trying to make excuses and take away from his own failings and mistakes (of which there are many)by claiming one of our pampered premadonnas could have been killed falling down a hole at the edge of a football pitch (who i'm sure got the best attention money can buy after it)and on the other hand a real legend Ernie Crouch (do/did you know his Surname ?)who has/had been here supporting Arsenal home and away a long long time, a long long time before wenger ever came about the place (and i'm quite sure you too) and all the premadonna players he and others on here (maybe even yourself) keep making excuses for, ever came about the place also, (and won't be here even quarter as long and that's been generous) what happened to Ernie (a true legend) not any player we have now or the manager we have either, was a real tragedy i'm sure there's more sympathy for him tonight than there is for wenger or one of his nice boys who's up and running about tonight enjoying the life of reilly, I know who I have more sympathy for anyway, do you ? The fact this old past it manager was using the excuse of what could have happened to one of his players for his own failings (when the same player has dug him out of many a hole since he arrived)and compared to what really happened to a real and true Arsenal man (and no doubt his family also)is a real distinct lack of class, but no doubt you wouldn't/don't see that.

  24. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 21:42 #80327

    Yes, Westie. That theory of non euro participation being the key to the opening of the gates of footie mecca started that season. It hadnt ever been mentioned before. You cd take a fatalistic view if you believe it and say that the Arse ought to send the under 18 s to Greece in mid week and abort it. Getting through only means another euro thrashing round the corner and what would that do to the metal strength speeerit and focuuus, not to mention the risk of a gruelling flight to and from Spain. Its enough to kill drey horses!

  25. Westlower

    Dec 06, 2015, 21:27 #80326

    What stands out like a sore thumb is that Leicester are really benefiting by not being involved in any European competition. They are the only club in the top 7 who have had a reduced fixture list. Liverpool came within an ace of winning the PL when they too missed out on Europe two years ago. Chelsea look like being next years beneficiaries. I never knew Ernie Crouch but I'm sure my life would have been enriched had we met for a chat about our football club. What wonderful memories he must have accumulated over the years. It would be fitting if the club made some gesture in recognition of his long & loyal support. I'm sure Ernie's spirit will always travel with the Arsenal team. Condolences & our thoughts go to your friends & family.

  26. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 06, 2015, 21:26 #80325

    Hi Exeter - That's quite funny with your good cop/bad cop assessments of mbg within the space of just over an hour. Was the second one a troll perhaps or did you have some of what Dr Jekyll had? Anyhoo, maybe someone could pen a treatise on trolling and we could all "debate" it on here. Be interesting to see if we'd divide along AKB/WOB lines on a topic completely unrelated to the Arsenal...I'd worry if I ever found common ground with Badarse!

  27. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 21:26 #80324

    Exeter, thanks mate, if i'm getting on yours then i'm definitely getting on those who they're (is their spelt right?)aimed at. wenger out

  28. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 20:17 #80323

    Bard - i think the Ox is a potential Bobby Pires but i dont think his face fits for Webster to make it happen. He ll just keep using him when hes forced too in any old hybrid, gap filling position and f--k him up totally just like he did Arshavin.

  29. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 06, 2015, 20:01 #80322

    mbg isn't a troll, he's just very persistent in what are genuinely held views. He doesn't look to upset anyone personally on here, he is attacking a corporation and individuals within it who aren't reading his views. As goonercolesyboy - a man led by his emotions, who never left the school playground so far as he views AFC - views an attack upon Wenger as akin to an attack upon himself he views it as trolling. The irony is goonercolesyboy is trolling mpg with his obsessive, repetitive accusations. mpg has no interest in goonercolesyboy at all.

  30. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 20:00 #80321

    Hi Bard lad - i look at this season in the sense of it being interesting and liberating really. Interesting in the sense that old respect (it was often misplaced anyway) by the so called lesser teams have for the established cartel and liberating because we have a competition again.We have the so called top 4 to thank for being so ordinary i suppose. Theyve as much declined as the others have stepped up a gear. I think the old, Utd Chelsea axis had become as boring to neutrals as had the old Utd Arsenal hegemony of a decade ago. City are an enigma and have nt yet been part of a success hogging axis. Theyve always been an enigma wrapped in a mystery even when they ruled Manchester in the early 70s to mid 70s. Never reliable and always on the cusp of crisis. A bit like Tottenham but with normal, mentally well balanced people following them and a bigger outfit of course. Add to this Leics who are just a breath of fresh air and it makes for a good season i think. We are seeing some good coaches develop too. Hughes at Stoke is showing his calibre now. Pardew too. Howe and the guys at Watford and Norwich plus Klopps entry too. All refreshing and adding to the demise of Wenger and Mourinho whos old hat scowling belly aching, griping and whinging now seems to be exposed for what its always been - nauseating. Chelsea have been jolted and AFC as a Club needs its cobwebs blowing away. I think change will happen before the old man reaches 2017 because of all of these factors. Add to this the red mancs still hanging in there top 4 but with manc fans distressed at his poor football and we have the old tedium of the cartel rocking back on its collective haunches as the smaller and younger bucks snap away at their heels. Change is happening. Its for the good of domestic football in my opinion. Money is no longer talking quite as chirpily is it. AFC need to take advantage of this as theyve never wanted money to talk, yet are still content (proabaly frightened) to grasp the nettle and take advantage of a sitauation that has happened not by dint of their efforts but by default. We need to bring in a new regime sooner than 2017 to keep ahead. If we dont, i honestly think the Club will slide further. Many say that whats wanted to force change for the better of the Club. I prefer us to change while we are where we are. Bring in a new young Coach and allow him to bring his own set up and back him. Some say we have a great chance of the title. This is correct but its because of the cartels decline though, not through Wengers management. The bigger picture, even if we do win a streaky title means we still have to change. As we expect though, if we do prevail all they ll do is extend his contract and all we ll get is higher prices and the same old institutional tepid offering that we ve got now. The other top Clubs will change and cement Arsenals decline. The PL, in short needs Leicester to win it. Its unlikely though as we know.

  31. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 06, 2015, 19:48 #80320

    Richard Osman - That was pointless.

  32. CORNISH GOONER

    Dec 06, 2015, 19:47 #80319

    At least a win ground out against challenging opponents. Don't know why everyone complains about the fitness team, Shad has clearly done an excellent job with A. Webster. Check out the excellent fist pump and bit of dad-dancing when the third goal went in - no sign of a hammy, groin or thigh strain. Well done that man.

  33. Roy

    Dec 06, 2015, 19:34 #80318

    Great stuff from Ozil yesterday, would appear this guy is finally stepping up to the plate. Will Wenger do what's necessary in Jan to harness this and limit the effect of the injuries ? Don't hold your breath. How frustrating when the title could be there for the taking. RIP Ernie, how sad, my condolences to his family.

  34. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 06, 2015, 19:32 #80317

    Cole-sky - He isn't trolling in my view either. The closest anyone comes to trolling on here (in my opinion) is your friend Badarse who admitted, not too long ago, that he likes getting on this site and attacking others' points of view, the implication being that was an end in itself, rather than a means to one. "Je suis Maguiresbridge" (who, by the way, makes consistently clear on here that his boeuf est avec Monsieur Wenger). Very sorry to hear about Ernie Crouch - going to away games in one's 90's makes him a Gooner supreme.

  35. Richard Osman

    Dec 06, 2015, 19:27 #80316

    A Troll leaves off-topic messages (i.e. Wenger out) disrupting normal on-topic (i.e. Historical ones) discussion. Ergo, mgb is a Troll. Q.E.D.

  36. Bard

    Dec 06, 2015, 18:43 #80315

    Colseyboysetc; i dont defend mbg he doesnt need it. Im drawing a distinction between your understanding of trolling and mine. Your obsession with his posts is very odd. As far as I can see from his posts he wants Wenger to leave along with many Arsenal fans including me. Dont see how that is trolling but there you go. Ron; the Ox appears to me to between a rock and a hard place. Its difficult to see whats his best position. He's not a striker , not a winger, not a midfield player. It will be a shame if he decides he needs to move but if we can sell him for £30/40m life moves on. Good to see the fatigue excuses are back on the agenda again. Here's a question can anyone remember a Pl season as poor as this. Apart from Leicester most of the top teams are poor beyond belief.

  37. lee armitt

    Dec 06, 2015, 18:17 #80314

    #rip ernie :(

  38. Westlower

    Dec 06, 2015, 18:17 #80313

    Citeh & L'pool played away in the LC midweek & both lost 0-2 this weekend. There is no such thing as fatigue? Yes, Stoke played midweek as well but they only had to play Sheffield Wednesday, ha,ha!! Latest odds for PL: Citeh 6/4, AFC 9/4, Man U 5/1, L'pool 10/1, TH 22/1, Leicester 33/1. Same 3-1 scoreline will do nicely in Greece on Wednesday.

  39. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 06, 2015, 17:58 #80312

    So Bard, the repetitive anti Wenger stance isn't trolling? Can't have a good word to say, it isn't in his nature. Stop defending him. So the wally with the brolly has outdone sir Klopp from the Kop. Just goes to show once again, that there is no easy game. I guess they were worn out from playing on Wednesday at Southampton. Three games in a week is not as easy at it appears eh.

  40. Captain Frank

    Dec 06, 2015, 17:02 #80311

    Bard - I agree that mbg is not a troll and whilst I generally take your advice to avoid his posts, one caught my eye today which showed why I'd urge others to do the same. The fact he had to have a moan about Wenger in the same post as expressing his sadness at the passing of Ernie shows a distinct lack of class. RIP Ernie, you'll be missed at games.

  41. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 17:01 #80310

    Hadn't read the Ox away rumours? Liverpool would be a better place for him. Klopp would use his physical characteristics and energy a treat. If its true he wants out, its hardly a surprise. He s been f----d big time positionally by AFC. Ramsey is a hard runner Kev and when hes fit he gives of his best. If you can see some Bryan Robson him though (and i respect yr take on a lot of stuff) youve got far better eyesight than me mate. Robson bossed games, opponents were frightened of him and the pace of the game was dictated by him. Tackle like a steam hammer and scored quite often. I used to see him play at West Brom in Atkos team of talents first of all and he was doing all this by the time he was 22. Ramseys feeble compared to him. Robbo became dirty later in his career once his legs had gone and lung power reduced. Like Souness did. Souey was close to Robson and played in better teams but not so good in my view.

  42. Bard

    Dec 06, 2015, 16:41 #80309

    Colseyboysetc; you are not quite accurate with the use of the word troll to describe mbg. The definition is someone who starts arguments and upsets people online. As far as I can see you are the only one getting upset. I havent found anything in his posts that you could remotely suggest causes arguments. As I have suggested many times, dont read them if you dont like them.

  43. Arsene Knows

    Dec 06, 2015, 16:37 #80308

    Great win against one of the best sides in the league. Ramsay back to his imperious best, Giroud back on the goals trail and Flamini roaring the boys on from the centre. Wenger got it spot on once again and we're well placed on the tail of the leaders to ease through and win the Premier League by at least 15 points, probably wrapping it up by late Feb/early March. I see nothing that could realistically go wrong - we won, we got three points, other teams dropped points. There is nothing to worry about at all - when Walcott gets back into his stride and is banging goals in for fun again then there'll be no stopping us. Incidentally, why isn't Walcott the club captain? I'd have thought a talismanic figure like him was born to be an Arsenal leader in the mold of James, McLintock, Adams, Fabianski and Arteta.

  44. Mikeymike2711

    Dec 06, 2015, 16:29 #80307

    To be honest, thought Ramsey was awful, most of the game - then he scored the winner (the cross for Giroud's goal was good, the finish for his goal far from true - still, stats will look good), so what do I know. His poor positional sense is offset, though, with endless work rate and the fact is he doesn't hide - kept going all match. We have missed that industry. Sad to hear that The Ox wants away - first I've heard - but yesterday was another opportunity spurned by the man. He doesn't look too happy at the moment.

  45. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 06, 2015, 16:18 #80306

    When is the penny going to drop with you Muguiresbridge that you are a troll.

  46. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 15:27 #80305

    So something has dropped with the £42 million bargain, something has dropped alright (he seems smaller) maybe he's seen through his clueless manager like the rest of us, even though it's taken him three years.

  47. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 06, 2015, 14:47 #80304

    That was certainly 3 of the 15 odd points that Cech will earn us this season. Agree Ron about Campbell - given him regular games, there is a player in there somewhere.

  48. Westlower

    Dec 06, 2015, 14:07 #80303

    @Kevin I share similar thoughts to you re GG & LVG teams, both mind numbing. My hope in Arsenal winning something this year is restored by seeing Ramsey back in his preferred central midfield role. Just watch the goals follow. The Ozil/ Ramsey axis is the key to Arsenal's short term future. I'd pick Ramsey ahead of Cazorla all day long. Tippy tappy days are on hold until Santi returns. It's either Ozil or Santi, not both. Ozil will continue to thrive during Santi's absence. I worry about Bellerin's defensive capabilities & would restore Debuchy to right back now that Theo is back. I agree with Kev about Flamini as he doesn't possess the discipline to be a DM - he has itchy feet. Time to give Chambers a few games in that position.

  49. KC

    Dec 06, 2015, 14:04 #80302

    The performance was painful in all honesty but we won and each week that passes with us near the top and getting to January is good news. The loss of Coq is massive as it also exposes the BFG and his scary lack of pace. Good to see Theo back as he provides goals and assists something that the really awful and disappointing Ox does not seem capable of. Of all the young potentially good players he has been the biggest disappointment. Sadly Flamini Campbell are not good enough to keep us in a title race so it's all about getting our injured players back and please please buying another defensive holding midfielder that is both a tackler and an athletic footballer. At the game yesterday so many of us feel the same which makes it frustrating a squad so close but with the weaknesses that should not be that difficult to fix if Wenger would actually accept the defensive strength of a holding midfielder that provides a base from which our offensive players can then exploit.

  50. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 06, 2015, 13:34 #80301

    Opinions eh Jude Ron and Bard. Jude if you were at the game you have to know how much Ramsey ran yesterday and was knackered at the end and deserved his goal through sheer endeavour. Yes he can be frustrating but when he is on he is a great player. Still coming back to the speed of the game but is worth sticking with. As long as Flamini understands he can't score goals like the ones at s***s every week then his work rate also makes up for his skill department. They make a quite good partnership and what it now does is allow Ozil to be the main man and yesterday he was outstanding, running the game and tracking back to win challenges. I think the £42m penny has dropped for him. Great player. Campbell is also starting to understand what he can offer and with game time is a going to get better and with Theo I disagree Ron, he is a centre forward now who can play anywhere on the front line and offers us the pace we need to complement the other forwards. The Ox too needs more game time and find some confidence from somewhere. I am sure the Muguiresbridge can help as he is always full of the joys of Spring.

  51. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 13:17 #80300

    Sad to hear about Ernie a real tragedy, and here we have whinging wenger complaining that one of his precious nice boys could have been killed while falling into a hole.

  52. Bard

    Dec 06, 2015, 13:05 #80299

    interesting debate Ron. i think its obvious that Campbell has far more in his locker than Wally. He needs the manager to believe in him but we know Wally is one of Wenger's favourites, so I expect him to get the nod over Campbell. Sad to see the Ox as a shadow of his former self.

  53. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 13:05 #80298

    City must have had players falling in holes too.

  54. Jude Jolicoeur

    Dec 06, 2015, 12:50 #80297

    Really? You went out of your way to acknowledge Ramsey as being "good" yesterday? Never has a more bang-average performance ended with a goal and assist in the stat sheet for a player. No mention of Ozil's brilliance (yet again) or Cech's world-class, point-saving performance beggars belief, mate. Ramsey's pathetic attempt at the impossible -- his twisting overhead kick with no one around him -- is all you need to know about his me-first mind set. His needless attempts at the spectacular when the simple option is available makes for difficult viewing. He's not the answer in the midfield. Outside reinforcements are surely required.

  55. mbg

    Dec 06, 2015, 12:47 #80296

    Nervy Afternoon ? aren't they all, but another good win against a great side (i'm sure some would have taken a draw before the start) and the carthorse got a brace to top things off. But as some of us know, and have known for years, and i'm quite sure everybody does, it's doesn't, or it's not going to make the slightest bit of fooking difference. wenger out.

  56. Torbay gooner

    Dec 06, 2015, 12:44 #80295

    Welcome three points against a team that as usual will be relegation contenders. We needed Cech's consistency to ensure we got over the line, although we created plenty of chances in that second half. Still concerned about the Ox's recent performances and the feeling that at 22, despite his injury problems he is not going to become the top player he looked like when he first came into the team four years ago. Let's face it, our season will largely depend on what the manager does in next month's window. Everyone knows we need to strengthen this perennial injury stricken squad, with at least 2/3 players, one will not be enough!

  57. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 12:05 #80294

    I reckon Campbell is a far better pick than the Wally. Leave the latter on the bench and persist with JC i think. He has so much more natural appreciation of how to play central than the Wally, who has little. Hes a decent bench option as a striker and ought to accept that, or he and the Club should try and max his best as a wide man. I fear its too late in his career to do that though now. He s had too many yrs injured and been encouraged by the Club in his delusions of being a central striker. Hes ended up a somewhat nondescript, generalist type player with little identity. At 26, its hard to see that changing. Needs a change and a new challenge, though its hard to see a truly top Club wanting to pay very much for him now.

  58. Robb1971

    Dec 06, 2015, 11:51 #80293

    Ramsey's refusal to defend doesn't help Flamini. Comparisons with Robson are way too generous. I am not a Flamini fan, like Rosicky and Arteta he should have been let go by Wenger over the summer, but he has run his socks off the last two games. Ramsey is selfish in his play. And why the constant Under appreciation of Campbell? Apart from his ridiculous goal celebrations he is vastly superior to Oxlade at the moment. Do need signings on Jan 1st, not 31st.

  59. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 06, 2015, 11:50 #80292

    The league's mediocre this year with no outstanding sides. All those who carp at AFC and I do when necessary, should ask themselves, if we're that bad then what does that make everyone else? Bloody good win yesterday.

  60. sid

    Dec 06, 2015, 11:49 #80291

    Sorry Kevin, what does mezut ozil have to do before he gets praise from yourself. The guy was outstanding yesterday. His stats for the season are exemplary and he gets one mention. Come on ed.

  61. Wear Your Colours

    Dec 06, 2015, 11:33 #80290

    Kevin, it was a great three-points for the Gunners. It was a game in which the result was more important than the performance. We were a little nervy and far from fluent but we grafted well for our win. Cech made some pivotal saves and Ozil looked sheer class; I loved the way he carved their defence apart with a sublime pass for the opening goal. Both Monreal and Flamini had decent games. Pleased that Giroud got back on the scoresheet again; he tends to score in clusters so hopefully this will set him up well for December 2015. Also good to see Campbell and Ramsey on the scoresheet; let’s hope that happens more frequently going forward too. After a poor run of results in November 2015 it feels good to begin December 2015 with three-points. COYG!

  62. Ron

    Dec 06, 2015, 11:32 #80289

    Hi Kev - a game that goes down as as one defined under the heading 'a wins a win'. Had a grainy stream of it on. Sund'ld deserved better from it from what i saw but a decent 3 pts for Arsenal. Got to hand it to Olly. good reaction to his OG that could have gone anywhere off his shin. I do like him, despite his limitations. How very, very sad to hear of that elderly gentleman. His family must be absolutely devastated.