Champions League: The Outlook From Here

Giroud for top scorer? No chance



Champions League: The Outlook From Here

The HFB – Six goals behind Ronaldo


Well, we're finally through the group stage of the 2015/16 Champions League. As already covered, Arsenal advanced with exactly the strong performance they needed against Greek side Olympiakos. The victory powered by Olivier Giroud's crucial hat trick was the biggest thrill of a mixed campaign for the Gunners, but now the team is on equal footing with 15 others heading into the round of 16 knock-outs.

So, now seems as good a time as ever for a broad look at what lies ahead, with a few predictions of course.

What To Expect From The Draw
In a way, expectations and the draw are mutually exclusive, because the whole point is that it's inherently random. At this point, we have no idea which teams will be matched up in the knock-out round. We only know that the draw will take place on Dec. 14. That said, we do know a few match-ups that we won't be seeing because of the various rules within which the draw is made.

A guide from Daily Mail explains the rules and seedings fairly concisely, and it's worth referring to as a reminder. To summarise, the eight group winners and runners-up are placed in two different pools before the draw, with each winner to face a runner-up. Beyond that, the only rules are that clubs cannot play opponents from the same country in the round of 16, nor against teams that advanced alongside them from the group stage. In the case of Arsenal, this means there are five potential opponents in the next round: Real Madrid, Wolfsburg, Atlético Madrid, Barcelona, and Zenit. Naturally, Wolfsburg and Zenit would be the preferred opponents, though there are no easy opponents at this stage.

Who Will Be The Star?
We don't yet know what the match-ups will look like, so it's a little difficult (or rather, totally impossible) to talk about specific pairings just yet. But in the eyes of a lot of supporters, the race for top goal scorer is almost as riveting as the actual matches. In fact, in one primer on UCL betting, the top goal scorer is listed as one of the most popular honours to wager on, indicating people really do get caught up in the chase for this illustrious achievement. And it's one we do have some perspective on already.

We may already have a pretty clear candidate for taking home the winner. Through the group stage, the goal scoring stats favour Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo pretty decisively, as his 11 goals are four ahead of the next closest challenger. Bayern's Robert Lewandowski has seven, Zenit's Artem Dzyuba has six, and a number of players (including Giroud) have five. It's very unlikely that anyone will catch Ronaldo at this point, but part of projecting top scorers in such competitions is which teams end up advancing. Should Real Madrid falter early, Lewandowski or even Luis Suarez (with five goals to date) could challenge if Bayern and Barcelona make deep runs.

Who Has The Easiest Outlook?
Again, we can't project specific match-ups just yet, so it's difficult to say which club has the easiest road ahead. In fact, none of the runners-up can really claim the potential for an easy path, given that each of them risks facing at least one of the favourites in Real Madrid, Barcelona, or Bayern Munich. An easy (relatively speaking) first-round pairing for a group winner is more likely, and referring back to the aforementioned seeding guide, we can at least determine the possible opponents for each winner.

Because this year there are very few instances in which a winner could be paired with a runner-up from its own country (which would exclude that match-up from the possibilities) there aren't a lot of possibilities that can be eliminated. Only Manchester City and Chelsea have such a potential conflict, meaning we can cross Arsenal off of each club's list of potential opponents. At least lately, Arsenal has looked to be one of the stronger runners-up, so this conceivably makes the road for Man City and Chelsea marginally easier.

Right now, there's simply a lot of excitement and not many specifics to speculate about. Barcelona and Bayern Munich still appear destined for a semi-final or final match-up, but English supporters should be encouraged with the strong play of Man City, Chelsea, and most of all Arsenal in advancing. It's anybody's tournament, and Monday's draw will tell us a great deal about who's in the best position to keep moving forward.


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  1. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:37 #80693

    ArseneKnewBest, the name Randy says it all, i'm surprised he didn't mention thanksgiving and soccer ball.

  2. Ozzie

    Dec 14, 2015, 10:29 #80680

    Agree with you on Cazorla, Westlower. Ramsey is looking his old self again in the centre.

  3. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 14, 2015, 9:12 #80675

    Randy Jamie - Have another viagra, go back out into your field of sheep and shut up. Nick - I think we may have seen a different second half pan out if the Arsenal had only been 1-0 up at half time. Don't know if you were there but Villa were poor and their chances weren't that great in the second half. I had the feeling that if we had conceded to make it 2-1 then at the very least we'd have wrested back all the possession, and probably gone on the score a third. This wasn't West Brom or Norwich type game - Villa could barely string 2-3 passes together for long stages of the game and they didn't give the impression of a team playing for each other. Remi G is a thoroughly decent man and a good manager, but this looks like a bridge too far. I was sat in the Villa crowd and the fatalism was plain the see. No mental speeereeet and leeetel signs of top, top quallity.

  4. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 8:38 #80674

    Tippy tappy is dead now that Ramsey has replaced Cazorla in centre midfield. The swift counter attack has been reborn with the Ramsey/Ozil axis. Ramsey ran 7.686 miles at Villa Par, the furthest by any player in PL this season. When fit Cazorla should only be used to give Ozil a break.

  5. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 8:24 #80672

    Usual flat, fatigue induced post Euro performances by Real Madrdid, Barcelona, both Manchester clubs, although Citeh got a lucky win, L'pool, TH & AFC in the 2nd half. Cannot have Leicester beating CFC, as Maureens men have had an extra 24 hours recovery time. Leicester 1 CFC 2. Bring on Real Madrid in this mornings ECL draw.

  6. Nick

    Dec 14, 2015, 7:14 #80671

    Decent away win, though no more than that we did do our level best to give Villa hope and confidence in the second half with a series of gaffs that we just about got away with, I suppose the old enemy " fatigue" was to blame for that though, we didn't bottle the chance to go top for once. If we beat manure blue next Monday then ill start to believe we have a real chance of the title, though with the lack of consistency in the prem this term even should we lose we'd still be in the mix, a win however, especially combined with a quality performance would make us more credible challengers.As for the CL, its a case of que sera , sera, it is now a knockout situation and lesser teams have prevailed in the past. Wenger should still in my opinion bring in reinforcements in January if he does defy the odds and buy at least one quality player who knows where we will be in May ? Strange to feel almost ambiguous about Chelsea's result tonight, I guess a draw would be an acceptable final result, though a part of me would take solace from dropping to second if the Foxes bite chunks out of Maureen and his odious crewe .

  7. Ozzie

    Dec 14, 2015, 4:06 #80670

    mgb, save your mickey up for Mourinho tonight. Meanwhile, the cream has risen to the top - better drink up before it goes sour....

  8. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 0:03 #80669

    Just got back in after celebrating our win over the mighty villa and there's no one here to help me, not an AKB in sight, they've all disappeared, so they've been trolls all along ?

  9. mbg

    Dec 13, 2015, 23:51 #80668

    Bard, that fact never enters their mind.

  10. funny

    Dec 13, 2015, 22:45 #80667

    How many times Maguire. You are not a "we". You hate it when we win alas your counterpart Jeff comes to the fore. Sad mad bad.

  11. Bard

    Dec 13, 2015, 19:26 #80666

    Oh dear Amos getting paranoid. Keep calm and carry on. Or Amos has been trolled, Mbg certainly has. The site is under attack !!!!! Good result but how bad were Villa. Looking forward to City, might be a proper football match. Good week for us. I smell increased prices around he corner.

  12. Paul Adams

    Dec 13, 2015, 19:07 #80665

    @ Amos. Re Spud trolls, I've been wondering myself why other teams Trolls are given free reign on this site, perhaps Website editor will enlighten us. PS Shame about the Spuds today?COYG

  13. John F

    Dec 13, 2015, 18:45 #80664

    As the great Van Morrison sang Mama told me there will be days like these.Good set of results especially as on Radio 5 this morning they mentioned that the spuds had three winnable games Newcastle,Southampton and Watford coming up and would be challenging.I was beginning to worry about them.Good away win for us against a very poor Villa side.

  14. Paulo75

    Dec 13, 2015, 18:23 #80663

    Top of the league and through to the last 16 of the CL .... Just sometimes, supporting Arsenal can be a pleasure!! 3 points next Monday and you just never know :-)

  15. Westlower

    Dec 13, 2015, 18:02 #80662

    Oh dear Pochie baby! 1-0 up and you f**ked it up. Fatigued X1 1 Newcastle 2. AFC P16 W10; TH P16 W6. Forever in the shadow of the Champions elect? Updated odds to win PL: Citeh 6/5, AFC 6/4, Man U 9/1, L'pool 16/1, TH 20/1, Leicester 30/1.

  16. mbg

    Dec 13, 2015, 17:08 #80661

    Another over turned rock tonight, we must have won again, surprised there's not more, i wonder what the odds are on who it is.

  17. mbg

    Dec 13, 2015, 16:25 #80660

    You can just imagine the dressing room tonight, Merry Xmas to you all your all doing a fafafine job with tremendous mental speeritt, thank you Mr Grace.

  18. jjetplane

    Dec 13, 2015, 13:29 #80656

    And there's another of WEsTIE fave clubs Bournemouth who at first asking do Chelsea and Man Utd with free flowing football. Monk gets the heave-ho after 11 bad games and Webster is lauded after 11 bad seasons. Aaaah - but if you look at the Math (sic) and the ranch extension and the best win in Europe since the CL began and the arguments collapse. There is no argument - Wenger is arguably the greatest thing that has ever happened to ... er AMOS and WEsTiE ... whom I think would make a great Hedge Fund outfit pa(troll)ing football's nether reaches ....

  19. jeff wright

    Dec 13, 2015, 12:59 #80655

    Apparently old Arsene advised Remi to take the Vila job saying... the expectations there are not high you will not be expected to win the league... just as well then that Silent Stan doesn't demand more from Arsene... you couldn't make it up.

  20. crazygooner

    Dec 13, 2015, 11:48 #80653

    What a waste of ink!!!

  21. Ozzie

    Dec 13, 2015, 4:27 #80650

    I haven't forgotten the first home game of 2013 3-1 to Villa ('Spend some money') and I hope the players have a few memories, too. COYG you have yet ANOTHER chance to cement your position. For crying out loud take it and make the most of the other results going your way...

  22. jjetplane

    Dec 12, 2015, 16:08 #80649

    I always refer to The Mail on most things .... What is it with AKBs and the Tories. Made for each other.

  23. Gaz

    Dec 12, 2015, 15:22 #80648

    Hi mbg: that quote from Jeff sums this seasons ECL campaign just perfectly!...

  24. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 12, 2015, 15:15 #80646

    Travis - I said it a couple of days ago when Graham Perry laughably compared the Olympiacos game to Liverpool 89: try as you might, you cannot polish a turd. Arsenal's qualifying adventure wasn't "mixed" mate; it was sh*te, albeit with an exciting and fraught ending. We lost 3 games, only 1 of which we should have lost according to wealth, squad and form (even though it was by a record margin in Europe). You also ask two trite rhetorical questions, both of which you admit not being able to answer. That's because neither you nor we are clairvoyants, added to which is the reality that modern Arsenal are hopelessly erratic. There's also the question of those balls in Mr Platini's bag(!), and the world of corruption that is UEFA and FIFA. At the very least, Let's hope Weng doesn't balls up this year by describing Zenit as an easy draw if we get them instead of a really good quality team. There was more certainty when we had better players and the manager was far more attuned to what was needed in order to succeed. Now he looks like old Mr Grace, with Gazidis starring as Mr Humphries. "I'm free" if they need a change of personnel. Put the Mr Sheen away and embrace the truth.

  25. mbg

    Dec 12, 2015, 14:00 #80644

    It's nothing special and it's a waste of time trying to make it out to be anything different, we've all been here before, just more lucky to be this time.

  26. Gaz

    Dec 12, 2015, 12:49 #80643

    You beat me to it EG!...

  27. Gaz

    Dec 12, 2015, 12:38 #80642

    Hi Westlower: I'd certainly dismiss right away any result which still ended up with us going out of the tournament...

  28. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 12, 2015, 12:31 #80641

    Westlower, unfortunately so many of those 'outstanding results' were part of two legged ties in which AFC went out. rendering them redundant. There's the rub. Can't do it when it matters.

  29. Westlower

    Dec 12, 2015, 10:57 #80638

    Arsenal are the Jekyll & Hyde team of Europe with plenty of disappointments, but some outstanding results during our fallow last 10 year period give hope to progressing further. Bayern Munich W 2-0 (H), W 0-2 (A), D 1-1 (A), Barcelona W 2-1 (H), D 2-2 (H), AC Milan W 3-0 (H), W 0-2 (A), Porto W 5-0 (H), W 4-0 (H), Roma W 1-0 (H), Villareal W 3-0 (H), Sevilla W 3-0 (H), Shakhtar Donetsk W 5-1 (H), Fenerbache W 2-5 (A), Napoli W 2-0 (H), Borussia Dortmund W 2-0 (H), W 2-1 (H), Hamburg W 3-1 (H), W 1-2 (A). Given we are represented by something resembling the first team come mid February we are very much capable of blooding some big boy's nose. On the domestic front, injuries are becoming more common place. In the Bournemouth (10) v Man U (9) there are 19 players out injured. That's 38% of the players missing from the two 25 man squads. Villa (6) v Arsenal (7). The game with the least absentees is Leicester (2) v Chelsea (1).

  30. Gaz

    Dec 12, 2015, 10:11 #80637

    Hi Ron: For Wolfsburg and Zenit read Monaco last year. I clearly remember all the cries of how we'd finally got some luck in the draw after years of facing the likes of Barcelona and Bayern. This was obviously stupid for two reasons. Firstly because it was Wengers own incompetence that meant we usually finished second in the group meaning we drew a big side and secondly because some of us knew that whoever we faced there was always the chance Wenger would blow it anyway. Which he dually did of course...

  31. mbg

    Dec 12, 2015, 10:03 #80636

    And with exactly the same performance they needed in their two other matches also but thanks to their managers incompetence nearly f****d the whole thing up, but as usual scraped through to our usual position with some doing their best to make it look bigger and better than it was, and trying to compare it with a real achievement to try and make wenger look good, not that it's going to make much difference mind as now his (and his followers) precious record is still firmly intact it's most as far as we go, and that will no doubt cited as a greater achievement by his band of merry men.

  32. Ron

    Dec 12, 2015, 9:49 #80635

    A nice post to try and stimulate genuine enthusiasm for the CL after the other night, but be honest, AFC are totally dependent on a draw v Zenit or Wolfsburg to have any chance of progression and then if they prevail, they're out. Looking at Wolfsburg the other night, id only give Arsenal an even chance to beat them. As for Chelsea and Man C, their chances are slim, but i d suggest that both Clubs are far better equipped than Arsenal to do anything in the tournament. Chelseas disappearance from PL contention probably helps them in the CL in fact.