Comfortable Win at Villa Park

Online Ed: Three points to end a good week for Gunners



Comfortable Win at Villa Park


Looking at the table, there should have been little doubt that Arsenal would win at a ground where they generally have done over the years. However, with the league being as it is this year, and no rotation after the midweek trip to Greece, nothing could be taken for granted.

Arsenal though, were professional, did what they needed to in the opening 45 minutes, and then weathered the home side’s attempts at a comeback as they understandably lowered the intensity after the interval.

The penalty that gave Olivier Giroud the opportunity to open the scoring was perhaps a little fortuitous. For Villa, it would feel like when things aren’t going for you, every major decision goes against you. Alan Hutton was undoubtedly trying to stop Theo Walcott in his tracks (put through nicely by Flamini), but defenders often get away with a bit of grappling, especially at home. Kevin Friend though, was no friend of the Holte End and, apparently on the say so of the linesman in the other half, awarded the spot kick.

The second goal was far easier on the eye, a classic old style Wenger’s Arsenal move with the ball making its way up the pitch with a minimum of passes, carving the opposition apart and culminating in an easy finish. It could have been Vieira, Pires and Henry. Ramsey started the move with a tackle, Walcott found Ozil, who in turn teed up Ramsey who had made the run to get on the end of the move. Real box to box midfield play and the Welshman is reveling in proving a point to the manager that he should be played in his favoured position. With Cazorla months from a comeback, he might well make the position his own before any competition rears its head.

Villa, at times showed some spirit, at others disinterest. They certainly fashioned opportunities after the interval, but never really convinced that they could get back into the game. They were perhaps the perfect opposition for the Gunners this weekend. The extra day’s rest due to the game being scheduled for TV did no harm at all either.

There is not much else to say. It was a far from classic game, but Arsenal did what they needed to and claimed the three points. The second goal will live in the memory, but not much else will. Villa’s hopes of avoiding relegation are looking very slim at the moment, and there is the real feel that a once great club is in real decline. To think they were not happy finishing in the top ten habitually with Martin O’Neill.

As for the Gunners, top of the table, with Leicester to play Chelsea this evening. Manchester United, Liverpool and Tottenham all dropped points in games they would have been expected to win. Manchester City however, remain the most likely team to spoil Arsenal’s party, with all due to respect to Leicester. Which of course sets up the game in a week’s time nicely. It’s a real chance for a team that have come together due to the circumstances of injury and put three good wins together to prove a point. That Arsenal 2015-16 are a different beast that can win the games that ultimately decide titles. They have a week off, time to recharge the batteries, time to focus completely on winning three critical points. For Arsène Wenger, it might just be a case of now or never.

We live in hope.

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  1. mbg

    Dec 15, 2015, 16:08 #80766

    Hiccup, I doubt they're as devoted to the manager as the AKB's are, and wouldn't need or use such petty excuses to cover up his failings.

  2. mbg

    Dec 15, 2015, 15:57 #80765

    Ron, great sense on humour, proper comedy.

  3. jjetplane

    Dec 15, 2015, 14:38 #80761

    NICK who are you talking to mate? What are you on? ho ho .... WEstIe is a bit old for these schoolboy obsessions but let's give it up for the real talent shaking up this circus. Leicester and Bournemouth and of course there are a few others all much derided by AKB smugness but are now breathing life into a dinosaur of which Webster's boys have been a main exhibit for ten years and more. But no, a perfect week beating fodder is the height of aspiration anf the temple is full once again as the old faces stand at the rear with tears glistening through the incense ....

  4. jeff wright

    Dec 15, 2015, 14:30 #80760

    Okay Nick the problem with your theory is that other clubs can also claim if this or that had happened then... and if my Aunt Betty had balls she would be my uncle... these theories are tunnel vision and the one based on United having won the title by beating the lower sides ignores the fact that ,like their treble season, it was a one off thing that they will struggle to replicate. As will anyone else,simply because it is very difficult to beat all of the lower sides , which you would need to do if not winning points off the top ones. Now in my view as the current table shows both us and City are likely to win around the same number of points from the lower case teams,so the team who can win the most from the two head to heads and off the other top 4 sides is going to win the title. It's hard at present to envisage anyone else winning it.Unless United suddenly start scoring goals .

  5. Ron

    Dec 15, 2015, 14:01 #80759

    Take your blinkers off Westie. Far better for footie to see Mourinho survive? Lets see if he really is the stuff of legend by seeing him cope and solve a crisis surely? If he doesnt, he takes Chelsea with him. Jeff s right. A few were at their zenith last season. Terry, Ivanovic, Costa, Cahill to name 4. Fabregas going there was AFC dodging a bullet too. Truth is that he was never as good as his AFC created 'legend' proclaimed him to be. He looks shot now. To suggest the gallows for him after 16 games is premature. I recall us being 4th bottom after 8 or 9 games back in 06. Did you suggest Wenger for the exit then, 10 yrs into his tenure? Of course you didnt. We could be heading for the Vanerama lge and you'd still be on here shouting fatigue, iffy pitches and manc biased refs along with the rest of the well worn repertoire of hopeless, comedic excuses.

  6. Nick

    Dec 15, 2015, 13:46 #80757

    Peddling nonsense, discredited theory ?, jet plane are you on medication? Manure DID win the title by beating those you'd expect them to beat rather than those you might not, I pointed our that we DIDNT win the league BECAUSE we DIDNT win the games we really should have , as well as.losing those we were not favourite's to win, how that's shooting my own point down is mystifying, I am not a Wenger supporter I support the Arsenal, I have often slated the man when I felt it warranted, I don't understand why people such as yourself feel the need to be so bloody rude and quite frankly insulting of others opinions, unless of course those opinions match your own , I say again had we won against Stoke, Everton Swansea etc we would have won the league the season before last,we also fell out of contention last term by reason of poor results like the 0-0 draw with Sunderland at home among.others, that is simple maths , dont agree ? Fine unlike yourself I won't deride your opinion, I wont agree with it but your entitled to have it .

  7. Westlower

    Dec 15, 2015, 13:41 #80756

    On reflection a better title for Maureen's song would have been 'Stuck at the Bridge with the Blues.' Correction; insert 'say' before Special, special.

  8. Bard

    Dec 15, 2015, 13:03 #80755

    Colseyboysetc; surely a mistake there. Money rules, fatigue, the injury curse, bent refs, bad luck to name but a few. Perms any one from that lot at infinitum and you have yourself a full blown responsibility free dynasty. Its a recipe made in heaven.

  9. Westlower

    Dec 15, 2015, 12:37 #80754

    Maureen's song: Well I don't know why I came here tonight, I got the felling that something ain't right, I'm so scared in case I fall of my chair, and I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs. Has beens to the left of me, Roman to the right. here I am, stuck in the middle with you. Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you, and I'm wondering what it is I should do, It's so hard to keep this smirk off my face, losing control, yeah, I'm all over the place. W**kers to the left of me, JT to the right, here I am stuck up sh*t creek with you. Well you started out with nothing, and you're proud that you're a self made man, and the press, they all come crawling, slap you on the back and Special, special. Trying to make some sense of it all , but I can see it makes no sense at all. Is it cool to go out of the door, 'cause I do't think that I can take anymore. Thanks for all you've done Maureen, shut the door on your way out......Doc, Doc come back and save me!

  10. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 15, 2015, 11:47 #80753

    Got to love the PSG model of not spending and being 17 points clear. Bayern Munich are another and they are clear too. Man City and Utd are third and fourth. Barca and Real are top dogs but hardly spend a penny. The laughable debacle at Chelsea is but one out of the blue, so money rules and fatigue is here to stay.

  11. Ozzie

    Dec 15, 2015, 11:21 #80752

    Looks like Jeff is looking forward to next season ;)

  12. Jeff wright

    Dec 15, 2015, 10:43 #80751

    Mahrez ,who cost Leicester coat-buttons, is scoring great goals that put Ozil's efforts to shame and also making assists for others - he is the sort of midfield player that one would expect for 42m and big-buck wages. Westie ,Wenger's tactics away have been coming unstuck for donkey's years ,only recently we suffered another worst defeat ever ever against Bayern Munich in Europe to add to all the others, such as the 8 goal thrashing at OT in the league . Wenger is no tactical genius. TBH our 5-2 win at Leicester flattered us - but it is a results game and some you win and some you lose. My view on the Chelsea shambles is that some players such as JT are past it ,Mourinho did try to sign Stones from Everton but got a knock-back, so he knew that he needed a new CB .'Eddie Izzard' clearly wants away - he has been tapped up by PSG . Costa is just a shadow of yesterday ,Fabregas is another and it's no surprise that Barcelona told him adios amigo. At least Wenger never got saddled with him as some wanted him back with us. Mourinho made some big mistakes when he returned to the bridge of sighs by selling players who are now doing well elsewhere -while the ones he bought are flopping .Rom is unlikely to overlook this and it looks like the PSG tie could be the straw that will break the camel's back so to speak . Anyway, we are doing all right everything is set up for our customary first round exit from Europe with no Ropey Cup punishment to suffer as a result - thus leaving us to concentrate on getting a top 4 finish in the league so we can do it all again next season! Good old Arsene.

  13. Westlower

    Dec 15, 2015, 10:35 #80750

    Updated Paddy Power odds to win PL: Citeh 11/8, AFC 6/4, Man U 9/1, Leicester 20/1, L'pool 22/1, TH 25/1. Next manager to leave post: Maureen 10/11, LVG 2/1, AW 80/1.

  14. Westlower

    Dec 15, 2015, 8:46 #80749

    Oh Special One, special one, you've been exposed as a cowardly fraud. It's no good you blaming ECL fatigue as that's been thrown out as a myth used to excuse a teams flat performance, although Man U, Citeh, AFC, TH & L'pool all played poorly after their Europ games. Any Old Fool knows you go to Leicester on the front foot & turn your superior class into goals. I've long since realised you're not a very brave coach, preferring to hide away behind your pragmatism. For an hour, you isolated your street fighter to combat against two giant CB's. Only when you released the handbrake did your side make their class tell & had Leicester rocking. You could & should have scored more goals but your players have lost their confidence because of your naive tactics & ineptitude at man management. You should have given your Uncle Arsene a call on how to attack teams on their own patch. It appears to be an alien & scary concept for you. Your player of the season, Hazard, no longer believes in you after you've turned him into a robot. The best CB in the country & warrior leader JT, makes BFG look like Usain Bolt. Perhaps he has morphed into a statue to be placed outside the Bridge. Have you considered raising a petition to get Blues lover Mike Dean to officiate all your matches - a friend in need is a friend indeed. @Ron, To say I'm from Northampton is a load of cobblers?

  15. Bard

    Dec 15, 2015, 8:18 #80748

    Last nights result was a travesty, Chelsea should never have lost, in my book the ref was a manc, and/or Leicester werent properly drug tested, there is no other explanation. I have read here every week that money determines outcome ergo Chelsea have been stitched up good and proper. What is the game coming to ?

  16. Ozzie

    Dec 15, 2015, 5:07 #80747

    Those lost 5 points v WB & Norwich must be made good by beating our nearest rivals, simple equation. As for Barcelona and the Chumps League, don't be so negative! It only takes a good first home leg result to put pressure on them. Maybe The Arsenal could park the bus for a change & hit them on the counter where they are most vulnerable. Citeh may have a star studded attack but as results show, if you haven't the defense to match.... Instead of speculating, believe! (We must surely be used to let downs by now.)

  17. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 15, 2015, 0:05 #80746

    I see I have someone taking my name in vain....well you know what they say about imitation and flattery and all that. I am not the leader of anyone, and this imposter has got me seriously wrong....whatever does it for him

  18. jeff wright

    Dec 14, 2015, 23:38 #80745

    Sob sob..I'm devastated... just think funny last night you were gloating over us being top of the league and in the last 16 in Europe! Now chicken brain why not tell us what the results will be against City and Barcelona .. no...thought not...cluck..cluck ..cluck..

  19. Claude

    Dec 14, 2015, 22:40 #80744

    Fortunately, all that will be remembered from tonight's match is Leicester beating the reigning champions to go to top of the league. Not how they go there but where they are.

  20. Hiccup

    Dec 14, 2015, 22:35 #80743

    Unfortunately for Leicester fans, tonights great result will be overshadowed by their spoiling tactics to sit back and park the bus for the last half hour. If Chelsea fans have any sense, they will be logging this in their excuse book, ideally ahead of fatigue to explain this defeat.

  21. Th14afc

    Dec 14, 2015, 22:26 #80742

    Mourinho special one my a rse! Hahaha if he wasn't such a fool I might even feel sorry for him but he's a tool so I'm loving it

  22. Hiccup

    Dec 14, 2015, 22:25 #80741

    Ron, we're in an ever changing world, and policies change over time. The waving of a white flag behind the net spend argument at every season start, has served its purpose, and strangled ten years of stagnation from it. It has been one of the most successful brainwashing excuses to hide behind, and the AKB's can be proud of it. And now the austerity excuse is behind us, obviously fresh and new vibrant excuses are coming to the fore. If in doubt, throw fatigue at it, seems to be the new approach. This used to be exclusive to arsenal, but as the net spend argument becomes outdated, even Chelsea are now prone to fatigue? Something unheard of in the last ten years?

  23. Ozzie

    Dec 14, 2015, 22:17 #80740

    Poor Jose. Come on, show a bit of compassion....baahaaaha. Ok, never mind Leicester, let us concentrate on the real threat this weekend.....

  24. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 22:01 #80739

    Torbay Gooner, how many times have we said that mate, how many times has this league been winnable under this stubborn old fraud of a manager if he'd have done the right thing in the transfer market, (completed the jigsaw as was once said) and he hasn't/didn't, how many years has it been now? (a dereliction of duty and a sack able offence every time) and here we are again still saying it, (and as much a sacakable offence as ever and would be at any other club) and all his little wengerites and AKB's are still hoping for it and indeed believe he will do it such is their devotion (you have to laugh)how many times does it have to take before the penny drops, he certainly has them where he wants them. He must love it all this power, keeping them all on tender hooks, guessing, will he, won't he, smirking with his sly grin right up to the last minute, only for the inevitable. More fools them they deserve him.

  25. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 21:21 #80738

    Hiccup - yr right to flag up that issue at Central Command being eminent. It must be being given serious consideration. There are leaks coming out of central command though that the vexed issue of the demise in strength of the cash laden clubs is causing policy splits in the hierarchy there. How, given the cash flow of those Clubs can superior cash and spending power explain the Chelsea question? Word is that this long standing fundamental plank of Central Commands policy is under threat. Heads cd roll over this. Reports are that the inventor of 'net spend economics', 'Chris' could be the first to go. This remains a rumour as yet however. The entire philosophy of CC is being reviewed following the sudden garden leave departure of Badarse. There are those in there im told who have lost faith in him as the religious leader of the AKB cult. We await confirmation. Whats noticeable is though that CC has increased the work load of the spin department, now headed by Westlower, though there are rumblings that his new initiatives such as the policy of advocating resting players when their injured isnt a message that s being got across to readers. WL is seen as a safe pair of hands though as temporary leader, but many feel his use has declined as tiredness has set in. His daily gruelling commute to CC of a train from Northants and i stop tube from Kings Cross to CC has taken its toll. Amos, the titular head has been more in the public eye of late as CC re shuffles. This has been notice able. Word is that there is no clear new leader and this has created a vacuum that could well see Jamieson put himself up as a stalking horse. He s denied this, but there is a fear that Badarse could be plotting a leadership coup behind the scenes and many in CC are averse to a left wing loon religious cult figure taking over at the helm. All things said the present policy of increasing mass hysteria and exultation as a result of the wins over Sunderland and Villa is only seen as a short term expedient. High level secret meetings are believed to be occurring chaired by Goonercolesy, himself thought to be making a pitch for Badarses gown and mitre in the CC zeal department. All isnt well at CC as you rightly point out. There are some deep seated policy and philosophy questions to be raised. The Chelsea and Man Utd conundrums cdt have come at a worse time for them. Commentators are positing the theory to us that there simply isnt sufficient strength in CCs intellectual think tank to guide them out of this malaise. Stating the absolutely blindingly obvious though isn't thought to help matters much over there and this realization is being suppressed as best as they can manage it. Watch this space as things unfold.

  26. norfolk gooner

    Dec 14, 2015, 21:15 #80737

    Agree GTG Ramsey all day long Cazorla does'nt score enough goals for me,being 30 if we get a decent price i would sell him in the summer along with the OX.That Mahrez looks a player!!

  27. Hiccup

    Dec 14, 2015, 20:27 #80736

    Thank God the ref gave the penalty in the end! Spares us all the usual crap about refs hating us, and this would have transformed Mr Friend in to a Manc supporter. Also saves another petition being drawn up, which would have been competing with Donald Trump for the most hits. Saying that, does Kevin Friend still remain an accredited Arsenal official amongst the AKB Referee Panel? Since it took the linesman to make the call, will Kevin Friend be issued with a written warning regarding his future conduct from AKB Central? An interesting dilemma for them...

  28. Bard

    Dec 14, 2015, 19:24 #80735

    Youre right Westie we need to keep the boss forever. Life without him wont be worth living. I already miss his previous incarnation as a very good manager

  29. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 14, 2015, 19:15 #80734

    An efficient win to round off a good week of results. Fortunately Villa look pretty naff but we have seen all season there is never an obvious win anymore. Look at Utd, can't seem to buy a win. Liverpool will get better but dropped points after smashing City. S***s will be the same as always, flatter to deceive and their prodigal son Kane gone missing for the most part. Tonight's match in Leicester will be fun to watch and to be honest it would be great for Chelsea to drop more points even if we are knocked off the top. Barcelona will be an intriguing contest. They obviously have the best forward line in world football but defensively they are ordinary. Deportivo scored twice and drew at the weekend and Leverkusen should have beaten them last week in the CL even if it was a dead game. A lot of time will pass before we entertain them, so between now and then let's keep the positive run going and get most if not all of the injured back on the pitch.

  30. Torbay gooner

    Dec 14, 2015, 18:27 #80733

    Hi Ron,re your comments on Coquelin. I take your point,as he does a job that no-one else in the squad seems willing or able to do, but is necessary, particularly against the better teams. As has been said before Gilberto was the last decent holding player we had and how long ago was that. I do think he can improve, but yes we do need someone else decent who can play there. Who would you like to see the club buy if they became available in January and the manager actually decided to be pro-active?

  31. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 18:25 #80732

    @Kerryman Gooner, I appreciate that your 18 year son is bored with Arsenal's period of stability but ask him to reflect on Man U's experience replacing Sir Matt Busby. Wilf McGuiness (Busby came back for a 6 month period after WM was sacked), Frank O'Farrell, Tommy Docherty, Dave Sexton & Ron Atkinson all tried and failed to win the First Division League title. It took 26 years before Fergie restored them back to the Busby glory days.

  32. Alsace

    Dec 14, 2015, 18:15 #80731

    Dearest Ronald, A game against Barca is very much like making love to a beautiful woman...... no , I'm not going to pursue that analogy. A game against Barca is very much like playing against a swarm of overstimulated bees. Those who have been successful against them have contained them and counterstruck. Now the Flaminal has the Italian experience and guile to put them off, but he needs the legs. Coquelin would be his legs in such a series of encounters, and would have to keep his cool. Flanimal would have to insist upon that, and he would certainly do so. So what about Flanimal, Coquelin, Rambo and Ozil in the midfield swamp. That's enough defensive cover and they can then feed Sanchez and Giroud. I quite accept that Coquelin is young and volatile and a bit Steve Williams like, but we have another year learning the ropes, and we progress every time we take on these phenomenal players and teams. Everyone thought that Napoleon and the Wehrmacht and Bjorn Borg were unstoppable, but the truth is that no one is unstoppable. We need to up-gun in January, and after what seems like an eternity under the cosh, Arthur Webster our veteran supremo, might just be prepared to earn his 8million quid and buy what is necessary. So yes, I see Coquelin as part of our game play simply because that is where defensive energy comes from. There is no one else.

  33. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 17:33 #80730

    Better to be playing Barcelona than playing Thur/Sunday in the Ropey Cup.

  34. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 17:31 #80729

    T - Im with you on the enjoyable season take, led by the refreshing Leics City. The seasons good because the big time trio at the top are so mundane. Even the Toon are providing some drama now. The lesser Clubs have grasped the nettle a treat this season. As for Klopp, i think hes doing a first class PR job with those players at Liverpool. He knows nearly all of them arent going to survive there under him, assuming Liv bank roll him next Summmer. His histrionics vis Pulis was all put on i think. Nothing wrong with the tackle that injured Lovren. As for that parade by his players, hmm. Im sure those Liverpool great of old watching that charade would have cringed. Truth is, West Brom matched them all the way. Another team whos spirit and gutsy play is good at times, like Stoke. Palace are a revelation too. Everton look good for a Euro spot. Like it or not, that PL title race is an aside to whats occurring elsewhere in the PL for many. The Chelsea debacle is the icing on the cake.

  35. Torbay gooner

    Dec 14, 2015, 17:28 #80728

    Did not mean to shorten my name on 85492!!!

  36. jeff wright

    Dec 14, 2015, 17:23 #80727

    Oh yawn hum... Nick, is peddling that old discredited United won it by beating the lower sides theory again ... however he shoots his own case down by pointing out that we have not beaten all the lower ones anyway ourselves... so er,what is the point then>? Anyway, leaving this nonsense aside the fact is that we have only played two of the top 4 sides from last season so far ,United at home we still have to play them away ... and a struggling Chelsea, who despite everyone having beaten them our genius of a manager managed to lose to them and away and we still have to play them at home. Not exactly a certain 3 points this with Wenger having never beaten Mourinho in a proper game and our home form hardly anything special . Then we have City ,we still have to play them home and away... now I make it so far Nick you old devil that we have won just just 3 points from a possible 6 against the 2 top sides we have played ... with 12 still to play for. I suggest there for Nick that you come back after these games have been played before strumming on your Harp regarding the you can win it by just beating the old carpets the Persian Rugs don't matter malarkey... especially seeing as Wenger never manages to do it anyway ..this really is an exercise in futility if ever there was one ... you couldn't make it up !

  37. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 17:18 #80726

    Hi Alsace - Do you truly see Coquelin as being a player of such status to make a difference to the team in a match v Barcelona? Hes certainly been elevated in ability as a result of the Clubs desperation for a player to fill that position if people think that way i would suggest? In all honesty he s a red card risk to me in a game v a team like Barca. His lack of quality when hes truly tested often shows itself in crude tackling and body checks and petulance normally. Hes not smart like a Mascherano in breaking up a teams play. Cant use niggly play effectively. He knows he s no Deschamps deep down. Hes much ado about nothing really in my view. I dont see his absence as a detriment at all.

  38. T

    Dec 14, 2015, 17:14 #80725

    Routine win against dead certs for relegation, however if they did have a decent striker we would have been in trouble in that 2nd half. Clearly Ramsey is enjoying playing central midfield and that excellent second goal would have been beyond Cazorla. Not too concerned with the Champs league draw and at least it ensures we only play 2 more games in the competition! If Wenger only does what most of us want him to in the transfer window, this league is winnable. Hard to believe how vulnerable Man City look this season, everyone else looks very average and Leicester can't keep winning with their small squad(can they!). Together with Chelsea's farcical black comedy show, this has been possibly been the most enjoyable 1st half season ever! Loved Klopp's eye rolling, gritted teeth snarling yesterday.

  39. Alsace

    Dec 14, 2015, 16:21 #80724

    This really is an extraordinary season. We are in first place with our octogenarian last defensive midfielder in post. We shall see what he still has in the tank. He was in our midfield the last time we seriously challenged in 2006. There is a slim possibility that Wenger will learn from what he has seen so far and take necessary and pragmatic steps. Barca is a predictable result as we always seem to get them. We will need a fit Coquelin to deal with them, and he won't be match fit, so it will be a spectacle and a bit of fun but we should get rogered I'm afraid. Probably no bad thing as our chances of bouncing Bayern Munich a second time if we were to beat Barca are slim to nil. However it's worth noting in passing that we have defeated both Barca and Munich in recent years so we know we can do it and we know how to do it. I would be ecstatic if we managed to win the league this year because it would have been a real fight against the odds.

  40. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 16:19 #80723

    Eddie, now, now, Villa are a top team, they were a real test, they really pushed us we had to be at our best and at the top of our game to beat them, some would have taken a draw at the start.

  41. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 16:09 #80722

    KG - and a very fair and sound assumption too mate. Yr probably right and 1000s will part with their money to prop up and celebrate another few seasons of the great AFC p--s take.

  42. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 16:06 #80721

    The wengerite excuse makers have it made in this one now, they can't go wrong, (it was all ready for airing the last time but had to be put on hold) an embarrassment against Barca and it will be ah well we were going out anyway,we never expected to get this far, we can now concentrate on the league with a maybe it's for the best thrown in there for good measure. As much was even suggested before the draw programme had even ended. You couldn't make it up.

  43. Nick

    Dec 14, 2015, 16:01 #80720

    City, beaten at home by West Ham as were we beaten by Liverpool, thumped by Tottingham, and really, really lucky to beat Swansea, they are no great shakes this season and had we not thrown points away at the Hawthorns and Carrow road, we would be going into the fixture six points clear, which makes a mockery of the theory that you HAVE to beat those around you at the top to win the title, I seem to remember old red face and his strictly limited manure side winning the title while not beating hardly any of the top four sides, its how you do against the lesser teams that really decides your league fate two seasons ago we were seven points adrift of the eventual champions, had we not thrown away games and.leads against the likes.of Swansea, Stoke,Everton etc we would have won it that year despite not beating our closest rivals !

  44. Bard

    Dec 14, 2015, 15:57 #80719

    The City game will be the first real test of life after the Coq. We havent really been tested defensively and to my mind we still look too open and easy to pass through. Dear old Per looks on his last legs, he doesnt so much run as shuffle. With Wally and Ozil in the same side we are short on the defensive side.

  45. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Dec 14, 2015, 15:55 #80718

    @Rob "Van Gaal plays like George Graham on acid in 1993"...shredded meself laughing...the difference being that GG's prosaic later teams yielded trophies.

  46. jeff wright

    Dec 14, 2015, 15:28 #80717

    Hi Ron, the replay on the penalty showed a slight hand contact on Wally's fragile shoulder - he did go down rather dramatically though as if he had been shot by a sniper .As I said to Problem sometimes the refs give these sort of penalties and other times they don't. I have seen clearer penalties not given that's for sure. I think myself that Chelsea will win tonight the City game looks dodgy with us struggling at home this season . As I said before City are going to be tougher to beat than Sunderland were.

  47. Kerryman Gooner

    Dec 14, 2015, 15:16 #80716

    Ron & Bard. I am negative because I want to see new management and I cannot see that happening. After Barca stuff us, and AW rolls out the excuses, the wind goes out of our domestic campaign. In a Poor Year in premiership, we finish top 4, and Wenger gets 4 more years. And so the groundhog continues. My 18 year old son,who has never seen another Arsenal manager, and his age group, are really bored by this, and I cannot blame them. Bring back Dein !

  48. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 15:16 #80715

    It looked a genuine pen from the back as it was from the away sector angle. My view after seeing it wasnt a pen really. At worst there was light hand contact on the Wallys shoulders. a gift indeed. Wally couldn't jump down quick enough. Hes not alone. The penalty culture in that PL is pathetic.

  49. jeff wright

    Dec 14, 2015, 15:11 #80714

    Peter Wain,the penalty was obviously not clear cut to the ref was it because he gave it some consideration, with Wally going mental waving his arms about and ranting at him, before awarding it . So obviously sunbeam the ref did not see it as being the clear cut penalty as you did with your X-ray super- vision . However, my point was that it killed any hope that Villa had of getting anything from the game and not whether or not the penalty was right or wrong. Sometimes refs award them ; sometimes they do not. My view for what it is worth is that it was a foul - so are you happy now>? The penalty was a gift to us though because it was an unnecessary foul as Wally would not have scored from the angle that he was running from at goal . You couldn't make it up.

  50. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 14:55 #80713

    With you there Jeff. Chelsea likely winners tonight. They have had some rough calls as you say this season. Leics would gladly take a draw and might just meet with and find hard to cope with some hard nosed PL big time Chelsea players tonight. I think the Arse - Man C game's a nailed on draw too. Both would take it now. Theres no need for either to go for the win. I think Arsen need to be the more careful of the two though. City are better equipped to mug them than vica versa if they get too adventurous.

  51. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 14:44 #80712

    Ha, Seriously Westie. They should just enjoy that Barca game shdt they. Wenger should focus on it being a non pressure, 'relief' game, away from the rigours of the PL chase. That way, they could actually give themselves a chance to giant kill as i see it. No need for them to be in any way uptight as we allowed ourselves to be when we played them a few yrs, esp the first one at home, back in 09 wasnt it> Recall that first 25 mins of Barca magic that night. I d seen nothing quite like that and Leo had a quiet night!! ENJOY it Gooners!

  52. Peter Wain

    Dec 14, 2015, 14:42 #80711

    do not understand your point on the penalty. It was clear cut

  53. jeff wright

    Dec 14, 2015, 14:37 #80710

    Good luck with your bet tonight Westie, it looks a tough one to call ,but Chelsea have been a bit unlucky this season and may be too good for Leicester - if they can find a bit of form. As regards us and Barca I can't see us beating them over two legs tbh, because they look in a different class to us and have the players with big game mentalities .Our defence doesn't look to me as though it will be able to cope with the Barca boys front men and Suarez and co are unlikely to spurn the sort of chances that plodding Per and Keystone Kos gift to opponents IN EVERY GAME WE PLAY but who fortunately usually fail to capitalize on those chances. Also based on past experiences the we can concentrate on the league after Barcelona knock us out of Europe again looks to be a rather flawed syllogism based on another of those optimistic type of premature conclusions that Graham is fond of arriving at. As Ron said the FA Cup that has saved Wenger's hide these past two seasons will be dumbed down again now as well with all of the euphoria about league titles and European Cups dazzling on the horizon .Good old Arsene.

  54. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 14:30 #80709

    @Ron, I knew you'd bite on the GN mention, sorry mate, only winding you up. You either believe in fatigue or you don't. & obviously I do. The fixture list either side of the ECL games are not so kind next time around as we visit OT after playing at home to Barcelona & Goodison after playing in the Nou Camp. The next set of crunch PL fixtures are Jan 13th Liverpool (A), Jan 17th Stoke (A), Jan 24th Chelsea (H). Come through those games unscathed and everything is possible.

  55. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:54 #80708

    Oh and lets abort the FAC. Keep fresh, avoid fatigue, pulls, tiredness and tweaks. The thought of a gruelling coach trip to and from Sunderland for a replay is then avoided. Terrific tendons guys!

  56. GoonerRon

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:50 #80707

    Ramsey is certainly showing what a capable box-to-box midfielder he is. I do worry about the defensive balance of the team when he plays there though as he can't seem to kerb his knack for bombing on. He just needs to be a bit more aware at times. The Barca draw is predictable and definitely the worse case scenario. The first leg coincides with Coquelin's expected return date so hopefully he is back and available, preferably alongside a new DM we sign in January. I do feel with our pace we can certainly get at Barcelona so you never know. Having a top class GK to face them is a first for our most recent games against them too.

  57. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:42 #80706

    Here's a little anecdote that may appall as many of you as those it might make chuckle. I took the ten year old Arseneknewbest Junior for his first Arsenal game yesterday. We were in the Doug Ellis stand just up and along from the away end. We had a perfect view of the penalty shout. As you can possibly imagine, the air turned a little blue in our part of the ground when our Friend-ly (geddit) ref awarded the penalty. I heard AKB Jr guffaw in his usual schoolboy style as some octogenarian Brummy dropped the c-bomb, and I thought nothing more of it as the Arsenal ran riot in the first half. The footie patter continued for the rest of the game and the 200 mile drive home, and we had a very splendid afternoon. Finally, we arrived home at chateau Arsene connait mieux and mumsie asked Junior what he though of his first game. To which he replied: "I heard this old man say cnut -twice!" Different strokes for different folks - to be fair, his little face was glowing when Rambo stuck the second one in.

  58. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:42 #80705

    Agreed Bard re Barcelona. Its the best draw. No ramifications or consequences if getting hammered and no questions asked. AW will be relieved it wasnt a potential banana skin Gent or Zenit draw putting his team under pressure. 4 more yrs for Wenger await after this. Westlowers emotional orgasm is already rampant though his climax seems to be Valencia s draw and Totts losing. Nothing like collateral pleasure! Im not bothering with any covering bets on this one. Im going for the straight win and will expect a big pay out as is my norm. Its nice to be able to bet outside of my usual strategy. The goings certainly good and we re good to go arent we. The only thing tan can ruin this for me is if Barcelona choose not to fight very hard, as is their want. Cmon you rip roaring title chasing, CL challenging Gunners. No rest for the wicked.

  59. Tony Evans

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:38 #80704

    Top of the league, injured players coming back soon, last 16 CL - it's all good on the face of it, yet most of us are just waiting for it all to go pear shaped again. Mind you the general standard in the Prem is so poor at the moment that even Wenger might struggle to screw things up this time!

  60. smithy

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:34 #80703

    At least we can concentrate on the league when we get knocked out by Barcelona!

  61. Bard

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:29 #80702

    Kerryman; The Barca draw is terrific. Its a shot to nothing. Non one expects us to beat them over two legs so it wont have a damaging effect on morale if we get lose. On the contrary a couple of good performances will do us good and we will be free to concentrate on the league, unless youre one of deluded who think we can win it

  62. DJ

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:28 #80701

    Just a point on Ramsey moving back into central midfield. Carzola getting injured was a blessing in disguise as it allows our team to have much more legs in central midfield and hence a better balance. With Ozil in majestic form if Wenger is brave a buys a top quality DM and dare I say striker in January our chances of the league are greatly enhanced. Also, let’s buy early in January not wait until the 31st for a bargain!

  63. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:18 #80700

    The Arsenal are a decent but far from outstanding team, just like Utd and City. Little between the 3 of them. I went on Sunday v Villa. An accomplished side would have made a mess of Arsenal in my view, though the intensity of the game was lower than normal and was befitting the sparseness of the crowd. Very low key afternoon that was.

  64. Nick

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:05 #80699

    Just a few thoughts on yesterdays game,, The BFG, showed why he is no longer first choice for Germany, too slow, both of movement and thought, nearly cost us twice yesterday, Kos, really must learn to.pass, Bellerien needs to improve his final.ball, his pace gets him into dangerous situations time after time but time after time , he either fails to beat the first man with a cross , misplaces a pass, or is dispossessed, still he's young I'm sure he'll improve, Ramsey works really hard, but.must cut.out his.penchant for dwelling.on and turning round with the ball, do our coaches encourage it ?

  65. Kerryman Gooner

    Dec 14, 2015, 13:00 #80698

    Top of the League for a day, then we get Barcelona. Big reality check coming. Wenger can just look at the interviews after the last 16 results for the last five years and use the same excuses. It will be "Nothing But the same Old Story". Sorry for being so negative. Hope I'm wrong, but that's as rare as a David Hillier goal.

  66. Bard

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:58 #80697

    Westie; Im loving manure being deep in the s***. Van Gaal's gibberish is fun to listen to. Dont they all spout rubbish when they arent winning. Will be the most interesting transfer window for a long time. The question for me is can Wenger afford not to buy at least a DM. We know he rarely buys in the Jan window mainly because he cant find value but also because he isnt really bothered about trying to win it. All the top sides bar City are so rubbish he's been gifted a fantastic opportunity. Its unlikely that he will get another more favourable set of circumstances. It makes me think back to Ferguson buying RVP for well over the odds but he won them a title. Buying a top DM would boost the whole of the squad going into the second half of the season. Or of course we could buy no one and settle for a top 4 place.

  67. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:57 #80696

    Westie - yr devout worship of Wenger is one thing but trying to underpin it by slaking off a young Coach with a couple of days under his belt is low even by yr standards of scraping the barrel to find disguised ways of advancing yr schoolboy hero worship. Stick to firing off yr bile towards JS, i would, if i had the time and need to do so as you clearly do.

  68. Nick

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:51 #80695

    Well after our stern test at the mighty Villa, we learn we now have the formality of a two legged tie with Barcelona in the last sixteen of the CL. whether it be the formality.of a win or an humiliating defeat depends on your outlook whether your a pessimist or a supreme optimist, but I can see Messi , Neymar and Suarez drooling at the prospect of taking on Per Mertesaker , for us to be triumphant would take two of the best displays both attacking and defensively that we've put in since our Highbury days, can we do it ? Probably not, but that wont stop me hoping.

  69. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:45 #80694

    @Jeff It's nothing to do with AFC staying top. I find it hard to believe Leicester will go 20 points clear of CFC after tonight's game. I'm on CFC at 7/5 to stop the Leicester juggernaut. Mind, it'll be a hoot if they do but I doubt very much that will happen. Story coming out of Spain that Gary Neville's coaching produced zero attempts on target for Valencia. Hardly surprising when a RB is allowed to dictate a sides method of play. If the OT die-hard's don't enjoy watching LVG mundane style then they'll never cope with GN, should he ever become the next boss at OT? Betting on 23rd Feb: AFC 4/1, Barca 5/6, draw 11/4.

  70. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:25 #80692

    There you have it it's all been worked out(even before the inks dry on the draw)to make his messiah look good. You couldn't make it up.

  71. Ron

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:20 #80691

    Efficient win. The Villa side was the worst ive seen in 50 years, bereft of shape, spirit and ability. Theyre down.

  72. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:14 #80690

    Yes it's good to see a bit of power football again especially with a goal at the end of it, just like old times, more of the same is required, instead of this tippy tappy going nowhere crap, that OGL and his cheerleaders think is so nice.

  73. Tony Evans

    Dec 14, 2015, 12:03 #80689

    Westlower - like the positive spin re the Barca draw.

  74. mbg

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:56 #80688

    Yes Ed of course there should be little doubt, but that's where we are now under wenger, games against relegation fodder been bigged up by his followers (and TOF himself)to make him and the team look good, where/when even they are expecting a win, and the excuse/excuses in place in case of an embarrassment, it was always going to be tough etc. The next Champions League game will not be as comfortable though, and it'll not have to be bigging up either, and there can be no excuses, but no doubt they'll still be in place and at the ready. Now we'll see if the cart horse and the rest of his little bearded technicians are as world class as TOF thinks and tells us they are, when we're not up against the likes and class of the mighty villas, etc, etc,.

  75. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:34 #80687

    Perfect draw against Barcelona. Beat them and we can go on to win it. Lose and our chances of winning the PL improve with our fixtures freed up. Citeh should beat Kiev & stay rooted in the ECL with fixture fatigue. There's that f**king F word again FFS.

  76. Bard

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:26 #80686

    Barca it is. A chance to see Messi, fantastic. Best possible draw.

  77. jeff wright

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:23 #80685

    The early doors penalty killed off any hope that Villa had of doing a Norwich and nicking a point .That's all really that you can say about it all. Wins over modest sides such as Sunderland and Villa and the away game in Europe that got Wenger out of jail temporarily there by us finishing second on G/D over Olmpiacos - a team that Bayern Munich easily brushed aside home and away - has made our season so far look better than what in reality it has been.I had to smile yesterday though watching that spuds farce on TV when they were turned over by Newcattle after the spuds supporters,are there really any more dense ones in football, had chanted at the Geordies,you are going down with the Chelsea ! Now this just goes to show that counting your chickens before they are hatched can often make you look like a right prat. Mind you we have a few of our own ones who get rather over excited about very need the despised Portugeezer and his stuttering Chelsea crew to get a result at Leicester to keep us top of the pile until we play City next Monday . You couldn't make it up. I will be in Tenerife for Xmas arriving there that day so I'll be watching the fun-fest in a pub that night .The game is not as some claim a title decider there are too many points still to be played for and will probably be a close run thing with any result possible. I expect City though to provide a stiffer test than Sunderland and Villa to see who will have the top dog bragging rights over Xmas .Good old Arsene.

  78. Westlower

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:15 #80684

    I usually focus on the positives but by way of a change here's a selection of moans. Koscielny needs to improve his passing. On three occasions he needlessly gave the ball away and we're put on the back foot as a result. It's so frustrating watching the team working hard to get the ball back then giving it away immediately, grrrr! Not convinced by Campbell, although he displays a commendable work ethic, but I'd always play Ox ahead of him. Campbell has done some good things in recent games but Ox has to be given a run of games to enable him to find his true form. Please no more side-ways/backward passes from BFG as he played Cech into trouble on one occasion. Just play a simple ball forward to your nearest team mate & don't stray into wide areas, as you're too slow to recover from bad positions. Only three moans during our current injury crisis, so we can't be doing too badly? We've been top of the PL 3 times during the last 10 years after 16 games but can we stay there? Keep building upon the brains of Ozil, the industry of Ramsey allied with a tigerish DM, the speed of Theo & Ox, the power of Giroud, the dribbling unpredictability of Alexis, the steady Eddies at the back. JW can be used to give Ramsey a break when needed, and before you know it, we'll be over the line as Champions again! Nurse, nurse....time for my medication!

  79. Dan h

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:14 #80683

    Very good week for us and no doubt we have a real shout of winning the title.It is open and no one looks like running away with it.The second goal was excellent Ozil makes the game look easy,so many players would of taken a shot Ozil made sure by putting it on a plate for Ramsey.Good to see Ozil at 10 and Ramsey in central midfield their best positions.Ramsey set a PL record yesterday covered over 12km great effort after midweek.

  80. Bard

    Dec 14, 2015, 11:07 #80682

    Routine win against a p*** poor Villa it has to be said. The game was over after the second goal. Good win considering the CL game in the week. Ramsey looks more comfortable in the middle although I would be happier if he moved the ball a little more quickly. He does like to dwell on it. Flamini isnt good enough in that holding position to get us over the line, so unless we buy in Jan I dont see us making the most of our situation.

  81. Wear Your Colours

    Dec 14, 2015, 10:50 #80681

    Kevin, I agree it was a very efficient performance. I thought we played very well as a team and no-one had a bad game; after getting caught out of position a couple of times recently, I was really pleased to see Hector Bellerin put in a really solid performance, he looked really threatening going forward in the final twenty minutes too. It was also good to see a couple of the players (Giroud and Cech) reach some personal milestones. The win puts another three points in the bank and sets us up well for the Christmas period. I am looking forward to the game with City, if we win that one it really well send-out a positive signal to all-and-sundry. COYG!

  82. JohnF

    Dec 14, 2015, 10:25 #80679

    GTG good post about Ramsey.My worry is when Jack comes back will he shoe horn him in and play either him or Ramsey out wide and bench Campbell.I thought Wally did ok he does keep the defenders occupied but he does still keep getting caught offside.Interesting conversation with a fellow gooner at the weekend,do we defend better without Sanchez.Sanchez has undoubted attacking skills but he often lost the ball which put the team on the back foot.It may have been due to fatigue and hopefully he will come back sharper.

  83. Chris

    Dec 14, 2015, 10:19 #80678

    Micky Quim on Talksh*te this morning: "If Arsenal don't win the league this season, it has to be down to Wenger." I don't have a problem with that, as long as it's completely down to Wenger if we win it! We have no right to win it, especially not when you look at the resources available to competitors such as Citeh, United and Chelsea, so it works both ways. Liverpool's resources are a fraction less than ours but where have they been for the last decade? Below us - and that's down to Wenger, Micky.

  84. Rob

    Dec 14, 2015, 9:57 #80677

    The problem here - and I only saw the first half yesterday - is that we make no effort to strengthen in January because we're full of 'internal solutions' and come February/March the wheels come off in the usual abject fashion and we wind up third or fourth, as usual. Will it be different this time ? I suppose we'll know in May.

  85. GTG

    Dec 14, 2015, 9:35 #80676

    Summed up perfectly for me. We went to villa and did the job well, as we should do because they are awful! The key point you make in the article Kev is that we now have a full week to rest and get ready for the Man city game. The players look as though they need it especially Ozil. I really do hope that Wenger is now realising that pushing Ramsey out to the right hand side when everyone is fit is just not a viable option anymore. Although he can be a bit careless with his passing at times he offers so much more going through the middle than any of our other options and has the legs to back in to help out the defensive midfielder. Where that leaves Santi Cazorla when fit who knows but it has to be Ramsey in the centre for me.