Arsenal Circular 114 – Are we seeing tactical substitutions?

Thoughts after the win at Villa



Arsenal Circular 114 – Are we seeing tactical substitutions?

Ramsey – Can give the manager a healthy problem


Dear Fellow Gunners

There are no routine wins. On their day anyone can beat anyone. It happens wherever you look. Only occasionally with every club but enough to make us all worried as the whistle goes to start the game.

It almost happened against Villa – we lost concentration and first Mertescaker and then Koscielny and finally Cech lost their way. Villa had a surge. So often that sequence of events leads to an equaliser and the initiative passes from the dominant team to the struggling team. Actually it is the excitement of football. It is what gives us the highs and lows of the game – what makes us addicts.

Back to the game we were rocking – if only for then minutes or so. The Villa crowd sensed it. We Gunners and Gooners sensed it. The match commentators sensed it.

In the event it did not happen and none of the papers or the contributors to onlinegooner have mentioned what I felt was a shrewd move by Arsene.

He made two substitutions in the 64th minute; Gibbs came on for Campbell and the Ox came on for Theo.

I sensed the tide began to turn. The Villa surge was blunted. We began to re-assert ourselves and the new legs in new positions made us a stronger more composed unit.

It is something we have seen more of this season – more tactical substitutions and there is a big difference between injury substitutions and tactical substitutions. Neither Campbell nor Theo looked injury affected though it may be the case that Wenger with an eye on Sanchez’s hamstring took off the two to protect their fitness. Whatever – it worked and without getting the third goal we held on more comfortably in the last 25 minutes than in the first 20 minutes of the second half.

It raises a point for discussion – the substitutions. Has there been a change? We always used to say that Mourinho seemed to get his substitutions at the right time in the right way while we stayed with the chosen team until the last ten minutes. Is this something new with Arsene? Is this the influence of Steve Bould? Are we getting more flexibility? Gibbs may not be happy in the role but he is becoming a great substitute – he almost scored a winner against THFC at the Emirates. He has many skills but his appearance on the pitch does make an impact as he adds new legs in midfield and adds attacking options to Monreal’s increased penchant for raids into the opponent’s penalty area.

There is another point that came out of the Villa game and this seems to be a difference between Wenger and GG. We often talk of the fist waving, energy pumping leadership skills of Tony Adams. I recall a game at Blackburn Rovers. It was the run-in to the title in 1998. It was played in a snow blizzard and we were three up in about 30 minutes and ran out comfortable 4-1 winners. It was their goal that makes the Adams’ point. It was down to an error by our left back – Remi Garde actually – and I can see Adams letting rip at him – all mouth and fists and anger. I have often felt myself that I want to see more of that from our players – a reaction to a setback. But it tends not to happen. Now this is linked to another comment made by players about Wenger. He keeps cool in the dressing room. He does not let rip. No hair dryer. No expletives. Calm. Again strange to us who think a loss of temper – even if it is contrived – can turn a lethargic performance into a fight. It is an aspect of management that I hope we can hear more about when Wenger stands down and gives us glimpses of his style of management and coaching.

Regular Arsenal Circular readers will know that they are now posted on onlinegooner and yesterday’s comments on the editorial on the game carried the following words from Micky Quinn who on Talk Sport said the following: "If Arsenal don't win the league this season, it has to be down to Wenger."

The reader who posted Quinn’s quote, Chris (post number 85441), commented “I don't have a problem with that, as long as it's completely down to Wenger if we win it! We have no right to win it, especially not when you look at the resources available to competitors such as City, United and Chelsea, so it works both ways. Liverpool's resources are a fraction less than ours but where have they been for the last decade? Below us - and that's down to Wenger, Micky.”

The point is this – we are in with a chance. As Brian Moore said “It is up for grabs”. Another contributor to onlinegooner called Westlower (post number 85475) points out that the next set of crunch games will be 13 January away to Liverpool followed on 17 January away to Stoke followed on 24 January home to Chelsea. If we come through these three games with a decent haul of points we will be in with a shout.

Finally – we are all saying the same thing – Ramsey is back in his best position and success will give Wenger a selection problem. Coquelin and Cazorla have due to injury been replaced by Flamini and Ramsey. Bellerin – a better game against Villa – took his chance when Debuchy was the victim of a push into the advertising hoardings. Back in 1966 Geoff Hurst took his chance when Jimmy Greaves was injured in the World Cup. These things happen and players have to take their chances but luck plays a big part. That said Ramsey is playing to his strengths and may make himself indispensible. He does have a long run because Santi’s injury has him in doubt until April. Let’s hope Ramsey stays injury free. He will if he steers clear of meaningless internationals.

Again – What makes me tense about being a goal up with 20 minutes to go is due to Peterborough in 1965. The 3rd Round of the Cup and our team which included Alan Skirton and Frank McClintock is counting down the minutes but Derek Dougan and Peter McNamee score two to win. The walk away from London Road was horrible. Many of you there that day?

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  1. mbg

    Dec 17, 2015, 16:41 #80830

    Bard, yes maureens gone, Chelski and the referees association met this morning, he gave them the final say.

  2. Ron

    Dec 17, 2015, 16:06 #80828

    Decent points Westie. Ferg was an idiot taking those Irish owners on it seems. It was ego but he clearly thought he had a case based on Counsels advices nontheless mate.Even a well founded case though rarely beats unlimited cash to throw at a less merited case held by an opponent. Mourinho is a sinister Coach. Agree there. He ll succeed though at his next short stop off.

  3. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 15:30 #80827

    @Ron The competition from our neighbours will be a good thing should they ever rise to our level on a consistent basis. I had a downer on Fergie over his conflict with the Coolmore racing boys. Didn't emerge from his 'ownership' of Rock Of Gibraltar with much credit. His ego was bigger than the person and he more than met his match in Tipperary, Ireland. In the process he embarrassed and let down some people who opened doors for him. Football wise, he cultivated his power over the officials & media (falling out with BBC) until he became untouchable. Maureen presided over the worst run of games from any current PL champions. When did you last see one of his players enjoy playing for him. Being brutal gets him results but sometimes fun has to be injected into the workplace. Without joy, what's the point? The way he treated some professional people was appalling but he leaves with his pockets full of cash. PSG next presumably?

  4. Ron

    Dec 17, 2015, 15:05 #80825

    Westie - i just done see Ferg in the way that you do. I think he s a hard man who gets his way, but only by force of personality backed by his CV and not corruption. I d go so far s to say that he d be one of the last guys i d speculate to be bent in football. Hes just too proud. Yr mate Mourinhos just been sacked by the way!! 3 day party at Castle Westie im sure now? Totts - I do agree with you (to an extent) there. Not sure there a Club who ever will make it 'big' even if they played in a stadium holding 100,000 spuddites. Some clubs just arent meant to be are they. If im wrong, Arsenal will need to look out for sure. Im sure there are squeaky arses in that Diamond Club already about Spurs. I hope so. It might shake Arsenal out of the tedium theyve harnessed for 10 yrs. Just might!

  5. Bard

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:55 #80824

    Maureen gone. Lets sign him up. A victim of dodgy refs and fatigue.

  6. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:30 #80821

    @Ron, Are you talking about Aberdeen Angus Ferguson the wooly, bully apprentice who morphed into the Mafia boss of the FA & Refs association? @Bard, Below the belt to call me a cynic as I still believe in Billy Wright, Father Christmas & Daniel Levy. Well done Daniel for designing in more seats at your new stadium than the Emirates. We'll never be able to accuse you of being small minded - he who dares is seated. The game is about seats, he who has the most seats is King. Glory, glory Seating Hotspur, glory, glory Seating Hotspur....Football fans will fly in from all corners of the globe to see the Lilywhites strut their stuff in 5th/6th or 7th place & the Ropey Cup. 61,000 - are you sure you'll fill it Daniel, as you slide down the league when repaying the loan begins to bite?

  7. mbg

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:19 #80820

    Ron, maybe he's waiting on Arsenal.

  8. mbg

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:05 #80819

    Westie, and a very informative paper it is too, ho ho ho

  9. Ron

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:04 #80818

    Did Fergie monoolise the decisons in Scotland as well when he smashed the old firm duopoly to bits for several years? Fergie may have created influence via his aura of course, the reason he had an aura is because hes maybe the best Manager footballs ever known. Yr petty hatreds of other people, Ferg/Mourinho especially does lead you to spout drivel at times with all due respect. Slaking them wont elevate your heros standing in the game one iota. Wenger has been a good Coach and no matter how much you demean others who have achieved far more in the game than Wewnger ever will wont alter the fact that hes not in their division. Im pretty sure youve not watched the Arse too much either. The Emirates sees as many dodgy home favoured calls by refs as there ever is at OT, Anfield or the Bridge, even during these last 10 largely barren yrs.

  10. Ron

    Dec 17, 2015, 13:51 #80817

    Ill have to keep this short because im tired. Ive pulled a calf as well turning to leave my back door this morning. Its clearly the type of door frame thats causing this injury. I left thro the back door on Tuesday as well. The same door twice in 2 days has clearly caused fatigue. Pundits - Some do have good tips but really, is looking at whats happened on a screen and then saying what a defender or a forward 'should' have done that difficult? Hindsight has 20.20 vision indeed. As far as commenting on managers applies, ive not yet heard a pundit say anything other than he 'should have been given more time' after a sacking. I suppose thats because very often the poor old sacked coach is sitting alongside them when they say it. Had to laugh at Moyes the other day. He was saying he s very much enjoying a deserved break from the game after his latest sacking before he chooses to work again and no doubt inflict his dour brand of boredom on another hapless Club.How long has he been in Spain? 4 or 5 mths? Deserved break my arse. Some of these coaches and footballers ought the join the real World. T-----s nearly all of them, the pundits too.

  11. Hiccup

    Dec 17, 2015, 12:54 #80816

    Graham, how can you on the one hand criticise comments made by Henry or Souness, simply because they have never made it as managers? If that's your thought process, against people that have played at the highest level, then what right do you have to criticise anything as you commute to your office. If you believe that Henry and Souness should be shot down because of their status of never managing successfully, then surely the same applies to you. I'm just going along with the flow of what you're preaching. And then in the next breath, you're asking for more Paxman style journalism, that correct me if I'm wrong, entails criticising and grilling the managers? It's not my fault you tow the line of no one has the right to criticise Wenger and then contradict yourself in the next sentence. Do you want critical punditry or not?

  12. Bard

    Dec 17, 2015, 12:46 #80815

    Westie; you old cynic. There was me thinking that the reason we havent won anything much in the last 10 years was because we werent good enough and yet now Im being told that the refs were bent or bias. You couldnt make it up.

  13. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 12:30 #80814

    @Bard, You overlooked the fact that Mrs Jobsworth of Sidcup is Mike Riley's partner/mistress/slave (delete as applicable), so she is in the very fortunate position of knowing who is going to get the roll of the dice on match days. It was very predictable in Fergie's time, as he had a total monopoly on getting the major decisions go his way, otherwise the refs career was over. Biased calls which change games are justified by commentators/journalists/pundits with the wise words of " you sometimes see them given" & "the ref only had a split second to make up his mind" although it took 7 seconds to award Arsenal a penalty last week. Every other aspect of football has been infiltrated by corruption, why should the officials miss out on the golden eggs that FIFA have left laying around the world? News came out yesterday that the refs are to be chauffeured to games over the Xmas period to prevent them getting tired by driving. Expect their future decision making to be spot on, as a consequence of being fresh & fatigue free. If this new initiative catches on it may do away with the need for video playbacks. Who needs technology when you've got honest officials who know what they're looking at? Ladbrokes latest odds for PL top 2: AFC 2/9, Citeh 1/4, Man U 3/1, L'pool 19/2, Leic 11/1, TH 12/1.

  14. Bard

    Dec 17, 2015, 12:13 #80813

    Graham you either dont read the posts much on this site or you've had a humour bypass. Hiccup is taking the piss mate, he's not angry.

  15. ArsenalCircular

    Dec 17, 2015, 10:50 #80811

    Ron (85577) - Actually I find the pundits make good points and enhance my understanding of the game. They can focus on the way a team attacks or defends and pinpoint individual and team weaknesses and strengths. It is when they focus on a manager's weaknesses without admitting their own failings as a manager that I find them dishonest 85578 Hiccup Why so angry? Why so unpleasant? What is it with some of the correspondents - why do you have to become so personal so quickly and thereby pollute the atmosphere and make an exchange of views so troublesome? If you want to check out my claim that we were rocking re-run the match. Look at the three mistakes by Per, Kos and Cech and also the two near misses by Villa - one from the right and one from the left. Also hear what the match commentators had to say.
    JOHN F (85579) - You are right - he did sulk - he did thrown his hands up in the air when it did not land where he wanted it. I am not so sure about that Fowler incident. Have another look because Fowler, in my view, does make a half hearted call for a penalty but is intimidated (correctly) by Seaman's angry reaction. Fowler changes course and told the ref No Penalty.
    Jeff Wright (85582) - The papers regularly have a go at Wenger for his lack of real achievement in recent years. It is always there. And it should be because Wenger is accountable. As it happens his explanations sit OK with me - but not with others. That is fine - it is a game of opinion. I don't think for one moment that Wenger works within a financial straightjacket imposed by others now that we are a buying club. I have heard David Dein say many times that Wenger spends money as if it was his own. Where I would like to hear from Wenger is on Senderos and Denilson and Bendtner and Silvestre and Alumina. His answer I suspect is that just as he waited for some players to come through like Song and Coquelin others did not come through. But throughout we have been in Europe - in the top four - never flirting with mid-table and now financially things are better we are in second place with a good chance of a serious challenge. What am I missing - take my arguments apart but not rudely or angrily. Sorry to go on about this but reason wins more arguments than insult - many more.
    WESTLOWER (85586 ) - What I cannot understand is why the media bought all that rubbish about "The Special One". They sat at Mourinho's feat and lapped it up. They surrendered their critical faculties and pandered to his ego. I never liked from the moment he was running up and down the line at Old Trafford when Porto beat Man U in the Champions League many years back. And then his treatment of the Reading Ambulance Force; the lady doctor; cocking a snoot at UEFA by evading his ban by being smuggled into the dressing room.
    WEAR YOUR COMMENTS (85588) - Thankyou for the correction. You are right. It was Dalglish Apologies.

    Graham of Arsenal Circular

  16. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 10:16 #80810

    @Bard, Never mind the Barnsley Echo what does the Irish Echo reckon? Oh, we already know, know, know, know, know.......

  17. Bard

    Dec 17, 2015, 9:55 #80809

    Westie; the Barnsley echo says City are nailed because they have more money and all the refs are Mancs. Mrs Eileen Jobsworth of Sidcup Kent says she has had City for the title since the first week, how amazing is that.

  18. Wear Your Comments

    Dec 17, 2015, 9:45 #80808

    Re comment 85563: It was not Souness that resigned in 1991 under the heat of GG's Gunners. It was Kenny Dalglish. (Souness became his replacement for the following season).

  19. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 8:56 #80806

    Very much a pro-Arsenal half term report in today's Racing Post:1. The PL is shaping up to be a clear 2 horse race, AFC & Citeh, as most predictive models agree. Without Kompany, the Gunners marginally more likely outright winners. 2. Despite the madness elsewhere, AFC & Citeh have looked the two real class acts. Picking between them is not easy. 3. AFC & Citeh are significantly superior to the others on most of the influential stats & it is difficult to find too many dangers. 4. DIDI HAMANN - I was right behind AFC from the off and wouldn't want to be on anyone else. To be where they are in the league given the effort they've had to put in just to get through the ECL qualifying stage and with all their injuries, is a fantastic achievement. 5. Top Goalscorer recommendation - Olivier Giroud. 6. Editors comment - I find Maureen's struggles utterly hilarious. His cocksure attitude has been a source of annoyance for many years and it is tremendous to see him being knocked off his perch by defeat after defeat. 7. Prediction for 4th place. 4th. L'pool 64 points; 5th Leicester 63, 6th TH 62, 7TH CFC 56.

  20. Bard

    Dec 17, 2015, 7:32 #80805

    Colseyboysetc:The Truth, now thats a tricky one. Whose truth are we talking about ? The proper response is 'why dont you f*** off down the lane' not support anothersport.

  21. mbg

    Dec 16, 2015, 23:46 #80804

    jw, yes OGL gets it easy alright he seems to think he shouldn't even be asked awkward questions let alone have t answer them for some reason. Ah yes the Platini fair play rules remember them? What they were going to do and bring for us OGL and how they were used in defence of him, and how those who rubbished them at the time were scoffed at, but fair play to Platini he made plenty of money out of it.

  22. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 16, 2015, 23:13 #80803

    Lies, lies and damn lies. Why tell the truth when jeff and hiccup can feed us all with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Next you will be pleading the fifth amendment. Anti Arsene or anti Arsenal, you are both of a similar mindset. Find another sport as following the current Arsenal isn't for either of you two clowns.

  23. jeff wright

    Dec 16, 2015, 22:26 #80802

    It's been my view for years now Hiccup that our Arsene has had an easy ride compared with other managers in the game from the media . The new stadium debt,petro fuelled money opponents thwarting his honest endeavours... But honest as the day is long Platini fair play rules would create a level playing field. Blah,blah,blah,all swallowed hook line and sinker by the likes of Graham and other AKB's. The obvious multi-club owning Stan corporate buisness plan at AFC profits before trophies is never mentioned though . You couldn't make it up

  24. Hiccup

    Dec 16, 2015, 21:37 #80801

    Jeff, I would just like to hear Graham admit, just once, he has never made a PL substitution. It's just so easy to make judgements, like we were rocking against Villa, but he needs to be reminded of his track record as a PL manager. So that's Henry and Souness dispensed with. So now what the game needs is a Jeremy Paxman to ask the real questions? Hey, how's about Jacqui Oatley? She knew the right questions. She gets the managers squirming just like Paxman did. But then we know how that ends. Jacqui has never made 50,000 substitutions, so she isn't entitled to ask such Paxman questions? It's a vicious circle. The right questions need raising, but unless you've made 50,000 substitutions, you don't have the right to ask them. I believe this is known as the AKB tenth Commandment.

  25. jeff wright

    Dec 16, 2015, 20:19 #80800

    Nice one Hiccup, sacre bleu ! those who have never worked a day in football are not entitled to an opinion on what Arsene does.They will be saying next that Gomez is not as good as Cech!

  26. John F

    Dec 16, 2015, 20:01 #80799

    It wasn't just the handball incident that damaged Henry reputation for me it was his last season at Arsenal when he regularly moaned at his team mates and sulked when things did not go his way.Shame really because he was one of Arsenals best.Good sportsmanship example Robbie Folwer against us when he fell over in the penalty area and told the Ref it was not a pen.

  27. Hiccup

    Dec 16, 2015, 19:54 #80798

    Just another article taking a cheap swipe at Wenger! Are we seeing tactical substitutions? What are you implying, that Wenger doesn't normally make tactical substitutions? He's been making tactical substitutions for the last 20 years. You know the drill Graham, when you've made 50,000 substitutions yourself, then, and only then are you entitled to form an opinion. Until then, if you've got nothing nice to say about Wenger, please keep it buttoned!

  28. Ron

    Dec 16, 2015, 19:45 #80797

    The real problem Graham is nt so much it being too easy to be a pundit, its the fact of their being a need for any of them at all? Go back to Hill and Coleman et al. The presented highlights shows and the quality of the show wasn't compromised by not having a scrum of pundits alongside. Their roles were to introduce and just pass a bland view at times, but nothing of any depth. Viewers made their on minds up didnt they. Today, 'pundit's make minds up and many of them are there to make mischief arent they. Blame ITV in the 70 WC when they rolled out Clough, Allison Crerand Dougan and McNab to jostle, jest and argue with each other alongside Uncle Brian Moore. Punditry had arrived in earnest.

  29. Arsenal Circular

    Dec 16, 2015, 18:49 #80796

    MBG 85570 and 85573 Let's not over-demonise Henry. He did what he did because that is the way football is played. Cheating is part of the game. The code of honour is pretty poor. Henry was there - he had a chance to let the ball pass - he instinctively stuck out his hand. Johnny Barnwell did the same against Liverpool in the FA Cup - was it 1962 or 1963. Barnwell was penalised and Liverpool scored the penalty and won the tie. The point about Henry is that I want to hear him say it was wrong and not come across as Mr Football. I think he did it in the aftermath of the match against Eire and Wenger jumped to his defence but the "experts" have to be honest and admit their own failings if they want to be taken seriously. Didn't Shearer fail at Newcastle. Didn't Lawrenson fail at Preston and then you have the ones who have never been managers - who have never had to face the pressure of fans protest or sleepless nights or bad mouthing in the streets - Hansen and Savage and Murphy and the rest. It is too easy to be a pundit. One last point - Wenger never wanted Adams back at Arsenal - ditto I think for Bergkamp. I think he wants Henry around to teach runs and penalty area skills to the strikers but as a manager!. I am sure Wenger knows that Henry does not fit the bill. Graham of Arsenal Circular

  30. mbg

    Dec 16, 2015, 18:21 #80794

    Arsenal Circular, hear what your saying about Henry and the hand ball, and if it happened against us at the spuds in a final we'd be up in arms, but I think it was more reactionary, and i'm not saying that excuses it. I took a lot of stick after that game being an Arsenal fan, but I have to say I thought it was hilarious and stuck up for Henry at every opportunity (and in fact still do) even as I said on here at the time wore my Henry shirt at every opportunity around the place into various pubs all over too. Being from Northern Ireland and more of an N Ireland fan than Southern Ireland maybe helped (there's a big rivalry among the two) also but it was Arsenal orientated also, (although I will be supporting both in France)The southern Irish supporters still haven't got over it to this day (a bit like Maradonna and his hand of god and England fans)and there's still arguments about it, and they still talk about stringing him up, but they are soon shut up when told if it had been the other way round and an Irish player had done it at the other end it would have been alright, he'd have been treated as a hero, and got the freedom of Ireland like Jack Charlton, and had a fishing lake and a horse named after him, and most of them agree, but they'd still like to string Henry up.

  31. Ron

    Dec 16, 2015, 16:33 #80793

    Hi Graham. Agree totally with you re Henry. The vibes ive always picked up from him from way back are insincere ones as you say. I personally find him haughty and condescending in the extreme in his views and in his attitudes to his TV colleagues. SKY is a handy vehicle for him to polish his persona/CV as you say and i think the underlying intent on his part is to graduate to the AFC job without an apprenticeship of any kind, aided and abetted by our own esteemed proff. He may get away with it as well. The modern day match day support there at Arsenal would lap it up i feel, such as they are. We ll see Graham. I so hope to be wrong, but with this Board they ll not miss a trick to curry some short term favour im guessing once the old fella moves aside.

  32. Arsenal Circular

    Dec 16, 2015, 16:02 #80791

    85565 And Ron remember how Henry cheated with the handball against Eire. His apologies were insincere and I am not being Mary Poppins. There are fouls and cheating in football but Henry's was sickening and didn't he celebrate it. The post match questions to the managers are stronger this year than last year - they have a long way to go but they have a little more credibility but Henry's CV is being re-written and his image is being re-fashioned. Football needs a Paxman or a Humphreys. Someone who is unafraid to ask the real questions. Graham of Arsenal Circular

  33. Ron

    Dec 16, 2015, 15:05 #80790

    Good points about Henry - an atrocious pundit, great player, crap Captain and sulker supreme. Souness? Has there been a worse PL failure in the hot seat?. Useless he was. Only got a job due to his playing strengths when at his peak. He was a dirty b-----d when his legs had gone while farting about up at Rangers. At least Robbie Savage knows he cdt play and that hes a figure of fun and celebrates it. Such as Henry and Souness, they must think we ve long term memory loss. Henry was prattling on about dressing room leadership the other day. He couldn't lead my dog!

  34. Westlower

    Dec 16, 2015, 14:44 #80789

    @mbg We drew Barcelona because we put ourselves in a position where it was 20% possible to do so. Perfect draw to find out where we stand in the world of elite clubs. So much better than poncing around in the Ropey Cup, aka Liverpool, Man U & TH.

  35. Arsenal Circular

    Dec 16, 2015, 14:34 #80788

    BARD (85535) I thought we were on the back foot and a third goal seemed far off. He does tend to keep Ozil on the pitch. I don't know enough to give a reason unless he is trying to build up his stamina. The relationship between Wenger is Bould is unclear. No one really knows. Bould rarely does an interview. It is quite a mystery. I would love to know the answers. When does Arsene consult Steve? What do they discuss? Does Arsene respect Steve? Does Steve respect Arsene. so much is behind closed doors. I am not complaining about that. Arsene is entitled to keep his cards close to his chest. but we are also entitled to speculate because the relationship intrigues us.
    WESTLOWER (85536) You say "Once John Radford put us a goal up I thought it was all over". I have to say that I never see it that way. Too many late goals play havoc with any assumptions that a game is won. Two should win it, three is comfortable but didn't we concede a four goal lead to Newcastle. something about the Fat Lady comes to mind.
    PETER R (8544) You say we were tired. Maybe. Bit nervous as well. A draw against THFC which we could have lost; a defeat at WBA and then a draw at Norwich. A record that was not erased by the impressive win against Olympiakos. I saw us apprehensive. Wanting the win. Pressing for the win and yet worried. you are right to be concerned about over-playing Ozil especially as we are without Santi. Good that we have a week free. 0
    KJ GOONER (85541) Good that you knock down the "shambles" argument of Bard with simple facts and figures. I think the problem is that quite a few supporters simply do not believe in Mertesacker. He looks slow. Few crunching tackles. Seems quiet on the pitch. Ever since Holt of Norwich out-muscled him in an early game at the Emirates there has been caution about Per. And yet 100 caps for Germany. That counts big time. I sense that Per's strength is his anticipation which make it better than the rest when it comes to interventions. For all his much vaunted slowness I cannot recall a goal he has conceded because he was out run.
    ROGER W (85542) I just once want to hear Henry say he has never been a manager or Souness mention that he was sacked from Newcastle and resigned from Liverpool in 1991 right at the height of the run-in when Liverpool and Arsenal contested the final lap. It is so easy to speak on TV but someone needs to remind all the punters of their track record as managers. It is all too cosy - too twee - too nice and the failed managers get away with murder.

    Graham of Arsenal Circular

  36. mbg

    Dec 16, 2015, 14:25 #80787

    Am surprised we haven't heard any conspiracy theories yet of why/how we drew Barca and why the powers that be made sure we had a hard draw to keep us from going any further, (not that they'd need to do that of course)just the same way the powers that be over here have stopped and been the cause and reason we've haven't won the league in all this time. I'm sure the referees associations were involved somewhere.

  37. Ron

    Dec 16, 2015, 13:31 #80786

    You can wax lyrically as long as you want about DMs. Truth is that Wenger thinks its a waste of a position. Hes content to have found one for no money - Coquelin. He begrudges the need to play such a player but knows deep down that his centre defence is an accident waiting to happen without a DM. Hes not buying an out and out DM now nor will he buy one in the Summer either. Never mind playing 2 of them! This is Wenger, the ace idealist, philosopher and dreamer we re speaking of here. Theres been so much clamour for such a player, its simply hardens his resolve. The only thing supporting him is the difficulty in finding one. There arent any Makeleeles out there. As for the defence, its good enough for most PL opponents, but not to pit v quality teams. There are no quality teams in the PL who will find them out very much. The Clubs set up for 6th not titles and CL s. Ploddy Per and calamity in waiting Kos serves the Clubs purposes in the main.

  38. Bard

    Dec 16, 2015, 13:01 #80785

    Westie; Per and Flamini are liabilities. Per's lack of pace means we cant easily press high up and compress the play and Flamini is a headless chicken. A lot of our success is down to other sides having crap strikers and Cech's fantastic form. I take your point about the goals but Ozil is streets ahead of anything Chelsea have and he always creates something. Monday will be a proper test, could be a terrific game.

  39. jjetplane

    Dec 16, 2015, 12:50 #80784

    'Feel it in my fingers/I feel it in my toes/.... Is the above pic photoshopped? cause he head is all big and new and Monty Python like. Feel quite confident that Arsenal can beat Barca who are up for a Chelski moment. Messi is aging, Suarez has gone too long without a 'moment' and Neymar is being carried. On the other hand BFG, if given time on a racetrack, could be MOTM. Has anyone noticed a certain majestic quality in everything the Foxes do? They look like the breed of Champions. Mahrez is playing like a certain Bobby Pirez which makes him errr the new Iniesta. Looks like with all of WESTIE's 'Lord of the Flies' bullying poor old Maureen is walking today. Time to reset your hatred ...

  40. David

    Dec 16, 2015, 12:09 #80783

    No question that the best side in the PL is Citeh with Aguero, Kompany, Silva and Toure all fit. If that happens then Arsenal's title aspiration will bomb faster than Baddie's borrowed poetry. Verbose ramblings indeed.

  41. Westlower

    Dec 16, 2015, 11:52 #80782

    @Bard We would be tighter at the back if we played with 2 DM's, aka Man U, with any 2 from Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin or CFC, any 2 from Matic, Mikel, Ramires. You then create a new problem with a lack of goals due to less creativity, as both these teams are finding out. CFC looked far more dynamic at Leicester when Fabregas came on as a 2nd half sub.

  42. jeff wright

    Dec 16, 2015, 11:41 #80781

    Let's be realistic here Barcelona was the worst team that we could draw and the optimistic hopes of drawing one of 'easier' sides,albeit where Wenger is concerned he usually messes things up against them anyway, was dashed when Barcelona predictably, as was Chelsea v PSG ... warm balls and cold ones or whatever at graft... came out of the gold-fish bowl. Our defence even with le Coq in front of it ,another myth this, was given a roasting in Munich and the same will happen in the Nou Camp. Our defence gets away with it mainly in the league, due to teams such as Sunderland, not taking the chances that they get offered to them, then with our superior to theirs attacking players we score a couple of goals and beat them . It's a different ball game in Europe and the top teams have the strikers to put away chances that come their way - we offer anyone so many that it seems unlikely that the likes of Suarez , Neymar and Messi will not take some of them.

  43. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 16, 2015, 11:13 #80780

    I somewhat agree, Bard, that we are open at times, especially to the counter. But we are not a shambles. The Coq missing doesn't help and Ramsey is a little too attack minded but he runs more than most and just needs to curb his forward thinking sometimes.

  44. Bard

    Dec 16, 2015, 8:11 #80779

    Point taken Colseyboysetc but we will see over coming months. I stand by my opinion. We are far too open and offer up too many chances even in games we win.

  45. Cyril

    Dec 16, 2015, 1:15 #80778

    Stop digging out Leicester in songs. VERY RUDE.

  46. mbg

    Dec 15, 2015, 23:46 #80777

    Roger W, David Moyes won more with man yoo in a year than OGL did in a eight years.

  47. mbg

    Dec 15, 2015, 23:29 #80776

    No routine wins ? really ? there's certainly not now, any one can (and has)beaten and humiliated us on a regular basis over the last ten years, but I remember when we all used to laugh about beating teams in the tunnel, such was our power and the players we had on show standing there, (some of us remember those days) but times have changed alright, now teams love playing us and fancy their chances every time, there's no fear factor anymore since TOF thought he was God and started buying children, and if that wasn't enough (in between turning water into wine) he started trying to turn second, third, raters into world beaters, and we all know how that turned out, it took us fooking years to get rid, only for more of the same to be signed and indulged, no there's no routine wins anymore alright, not even routine draws, thanks to an old ambitionless manager living in the past.

  48. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 15, 2015, 23:23 #80775

    Thanks for the correction arseknowsbest. Should have put return game, but the context was in correct. Good old shambles of a defence we have.

  49. Golikethis

    Dec 15, 2015, 22:10 #80774

    Ramsey has all it takes to become the box-to-box-Lampard -of-ours. But he has to get rid of his habit of loosing the ball to often immediately after we have won it. Happened 3 times just in front of the defence against Villa and even more often against Olimpiacos. A good side (doesn´t have to have the Barca-standards) will punish us if he keeps on doing it.

  50. jeff wright

    Dec 15, 2015, 22:05 #80773

    These calendar year stats that some keep trotting out to try and discredit critics of Arsene are always misleading. The reality is that United have a better defensive record in the league than we do - not that this means much of course because they are nothing special and went out of the 'Champions League' into the Ropey Cup We suffered the worst defeat in AFC history in Europe this season away to BM and one suspects that Suarez , Messi and co will hardly be trembling in trepidation at the thought of facing plodding Per and the erratic Keystone Kos. Cech has helped to keep the damage down in many games when left well exposed by those pair of clowns .Even Wenger said last week that we were lucky to beat Sunderland at home ! Hey,this is true~*! You couldn't make it up. It looks to me like Colesyboy and his pals are trying to talk up our chances against Barcelona by trying to make out that our obviously dodgy defence is better than what it is. City are no great shakes at defending though so it could be one of those let's see who can score the most games affairs .They are however better than us on free-kicks and corners and this could be a problem .

  51. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 15, 2015, 21:27 #80772

    Cole-sky - You are normally a keen purveyor of pedantry, so I'm just making sure your stuff also gets corrected. The home game against the mighty Olympiacos was a defeat by 2-3. The 3-0 in the Arsenal's favour was at their place of course. I could add a cheap shot here as you're wont to do, e.g. you must be a spud if you don't know that, or "Just an opinion or are they facts too?", but I won't...

  52. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 15, 2015, 18:59 #80771

    How did we do at home to those clubs? Bayern, 2-0, Zagreb 3-0, Olympiacos 3-0. Just an opinion Bard or are they facts too?

  53. Bard

    Dec 15, 2015, 18:50 #80770

    KJ; Im voicing an opinion not a fact. Its an opinion site. How did we do at Bayern or the first leg of the Dynamo and Olympiakos games.

  54. Roger W

    Dec 15, 2015, 18:16 #80769

    Good stuff. Two comments. I would like to give Wenger an extra 10 minutes for his traditional substituting. Usually about 20 minutes to go. You mention Quinn on TalkSport. What about Moyes's reported comment on Sky that the jury is still out on Mesut Ozul? This was rich coming from someone who has never won anything and has been sacked by 2 clubs in 2 years

  55. KJ Gooner

    Dec 15, 2015, 17:41 #80768

    Bard incorrectly says we are a shambles at the back, well the stats say otherwise. If you take the whole of last season with this season so far, 54 games, no team has conceded fewer Premier League goals than us. In addition, no team has lost fewer games than us. Just correcting you. The amount of rubbish that gets recycled on social media is frustrating, it belongs at the dump.

  56. Peter R

    Dec 15, 2015, 17:04 #80767

    I didn't read too much into the win against Villa Villa were horrific. I thought we were pretty awful also, gave the ball away continually, and apart from one good move, in the first half when Ramsey scored, I cannot remember Guzan having a save to make the rest of the match. I appreciate we may have been tired, after the mid week exertions and substitutions should make a difference, replacing tired legs , with fresher legs, but Ozil certainly would have been one of the players I would have liked to have seen replaced, as if he becomes injured, we have no creative replacement. Let us see how we do against City, that will be a big test, and there should be no excuse re fatigue !!

  57. mbg

    Dec 15, 2015, 15:28 #80764

    It's pity wenger didn't keep an eye on Sanchez earlier, before he ran him into the ground, getting his money's worth out of him, wally and campbell tactical ? yes of course it was, i'd say it was more precautionary because villa were crap, but if so it's good to see he has learned his lesson although I wouldn't bet on it after all this time, and would it surprise anyone to hear wally felt a twinge.

  58. Westlower

    Dec 15, 2015, 15:14 #80763

    Didn't go to Peterboro but listened to the scores coming through on TV/RADIO. Once John Radford put us a goal up I thought it was all over. About an hour later I realised it's always dangerous playing a lower team in the FA Cup when they have a grizzled old star in their ranks, cue Derek Dougan. Later in life it was Mickey Thomas of Wrexham. Team at Posh: T Burns, D Howe, F Clarke, F McLintock, I Ure, D Court, G Armstrong, J Radford, J Baker, G Eastham, A Skirton. Attendance 30,056. (You only came to see the Arsenal)

  59. Bard

    Dec 15, 2015, 15:02 #80762

    Well spotted Graham. I thought he changed things because the game was already won and Villa were so awful we were in no danger of losing it. I hardly think it constitutes a change in his subs policy. Why did he keep Ozil on for so long when the game was dead and buried. The jury is out on whether he has changed. I doubt whether Bould had anything to do with it and I doubt whether he has much input at all. If he had we woudnt be such a shambles at the back.

  60. Ron

    Dec 15, 2015, 13:47 #80758

    Hi Graham. I was at the Posh on that Cup day you mention. Just a kid. Cant recall much of the afternoon other than the feeling of the loss that i knew was catastrophic.50 Yrs. Good grief!