#ThrowbackThursday – Manchester City at Home

Part one of a look back at Man City’s visits to the Gunners down the years



#ThrowbackThursday – Manchester City at Home


Since 2008, Manchester City have been known the world over as the plaything of a feudal overlord oligarch from the Middle East, bought and over indulged with in excess of a Billion pounds worth of Shiekh Mansoor’s petro-dollars. However, what a different story it was one hundred and twenty eight years earlier when the club were incepted. Arthur Connell had been the rector of St Mark's Church in West Gorton since 1865, an area of Manchester greatly plagued by unemployment, overcrowding, squalor, poor sanitation and general poverty. A side effect of such Victorian deprivation had been alcoholism and gang violence, Manchester in fact was very much blighted by a phenomenon called ‘Scuttling’ in the late Victorian era, which effectively had been large scale hooliganism and thuggery.

In the 1870s, Connell set up a soup kitchen and relief fund for the local poor. In 1875 his twenty year old daughter, Anna – thought to be the only woman behind the founding of a major English footballing side - believed that the creation of a working man’s club in the local parish hall could reverse the direction that these social pariahs were going in by fostering community spirit within the Gorton area. Anna knocked on every door in the parish, which amounted to over a thousand dwellings. From this initiative came the creation of St. Marks Church Cricket Team, who went on to become a success. Miss Connell was praised for her efforts by the Archdeacon of Manchester who stated on addressing a parish meeting in West Gorton: ‘no man could have done it - it required a woman's tact and skill to make it so successful’.

Like many top level English sides, the side that became Manchester City were founded in 1880 by St. Marks Church Cricket Team as a means of staying fit and amusing themselves during the winter months, calling themselves St Mark's (West Gorton) FC. The side were renamed Gorton Association Football Club in 1884 and then again after moving to the Hyde Road stadium, renamed themselves Ardwick FC in 1887 after moving to the area of Manchester of the same name. In 1889, very close to the club’s stadium the Hyde Road Mining Disaster occurred as a result of an underground explosion caused by a naked flame which killed twenty three miners (the youngest of which had been two fifteen year old boys) and seriously injured five more. In aid of the disaster fund Ardwick played a floodlit friendly with Newton Heath – the club which eventually became Manchester United.

Ardwick won the Manchester Cup, their first trophy, in 1891 which aided their application to the Football Alliance League that same year. The Football Alliance merged with the Football League a year later, which meant that Ardwick would become founder members of the Second Division. The first fixture between Woolwich Arsenal and Ardwick occurred in November 1893 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead. Arsenal triumphed 1-0 with a goal from James Henderson. However, financial troubles in 1894 meant that Ardwick would be reformed as Manchester City FC. That same year, City signed their first star player in the ‘Welsh Wizard’ Billy Meredith.

In 1899 City won the Second Division title and were promoted to the top flight and in 1904 became the first Manchester side to win a major trophy, acquiring the FA Cup in April after beating Bolton Wanderers 1-0 at Crystal Palace. City were also in the running for the League title and the chance of becoming the first side of the twentieth century to win the double, however finished runners up. On the final day of the following season, City were level on points with Newcastle and needed a win away at Aston Villa, but lost 2-3 with the title heading to Newcastle and City finishing third. After the game, Villa’s captain Alec Leake alleged that City’s Billy Meredith had offered him £100 to throw the game and was subsequently found guilty and suspended for one year.

As Manchester City refused to provide financial help for Meredith during his suspension, he decided to blow the whistle on his employers and expose the fact that they had been paying players above the maximum wage. An FA investigation found City guilty with seventeen players fined and suspended for eighteen months, which led to the break-up of this City side. The main beneficiaries had been Man United who snapped up four City players, including Billy Meredith, which formed the basis of Man United’s 1907/08 title side. This led to a decline which resulted in City’s relegation in 1908/09, though they returned to the top flight the following season.

In 1912 however City ended Man United’s first era of success by poaching their manager Frank Mangnall. It didn’t however lead to success for City, whose best season under Mangnall was finishing as runners up to Burnley in 1920/21. In November of that year, a fire caused by a discarded cigarette destroyed the main stand at Hyde Road Stadium. Under Mangnall’s Stewardship City moved to Maine Road in 1923, though Mangnall would retire in 1924. In April 1926 City reached the FA Cup Final after a 3-1 victory over rivals Man United at Hillsborough in the Semi Final. Their opponents in their first Wembley final would be Bolton Wanderers, though would lose 0-1. Worse was to follow for City as they would be relegated from the top tier on the final day of the season (which prior to the 1950 actually came after the FA Cup Final). City returned to the top flight as second tier champions in 1927/28 and in their first season had a 1-0 win over rivals Man United captured by Pathe News.

In the 1930s, Manchester City built one of the few sides from the era that could challenge Arsenal’s dominance, shown here in Pathe’s series on top English sides in training, with stars such as Fred Tilson, Eric Brook (the scorer of two goals for England in the ‘Battle of Highbury’ where the national side met Italy with seven Arsenal players) and future famed Man United boss Matt Busby. During Arsenal’s first title season in 1930/31, the Gunners met Man City home and away over the Christmas period and scored seven goals in total. On Christmas Day at Maine Road Arsenal won 4-1 with goals from Jack Lambert, David Jack, Cliff Bastin and Joe Hulme. On Boxing Day back at Highbury the Gunners ran out 3-1 winners with goals from Bob John, Cliff Bastin and Joe Hulme, however in an era of big crowds only 17,624 bothered to turn out at Highbury to witness the match.

The two sides would meet in the FA Cup Semi Final in 1932 at Villa Park, where Arsenal proceeded to Wembley with a 1-0 win secured by a goal from Cliff Bastin. Manchester City’s FA Cup form however would carry over into the following seasons, reaching the FA Cup final again in 1933, though losing 0-3 to Everton. Man City would return to Wembley twelve months on, on route attaining English football’s highest attendance for a club game outside of the FA Cup Final, when 84,569 turned up to watch Man City beat Stoke City at Maine Road in the FA Cup Quarter Final. This season City would return to Wembley and be victorious, beating Portsmouth 2-1 in a North-South Final with two goals from Fred Tilson. The referee for that encounter would be future FIFA president and Arsenal life President Sir Stanley Rous. City later went on to meet Scottish Cup winners Glasgow Rangers in a friendly at Ibrox, though lost 0-1.

Arsenal however would continue to dominate the league through this period, beating Man City 3-0 at Highbury in October 1934 in front of an attendance of 68,145. Man City however would achieve back to back victories at Highbury, inflicting a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal in September 1935 and a 1-3 defeat in December 1936. Manchester City went on to win the League in 1936/37, finishing five points ahead of third placed Arsenal, though exited the FA Cup in the Quarter Finals, losing 0-2 to third tier Millwall away at the Den. Around this period Man City would also set the record for scoring in consecutive games, totalling forty four, which stretched into the following season. This record would last until it was surpassed by Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal in 2002.

City’s last visit to Highbury before the war came in October 1937, which Arsenal won 2-1 with goals from Alf Kirchen and John Milne in front of a crowd of 68,353. Incredibly, despite the free scoring nature of this Man City side, they would be the only ever side to be relegated from the top tier as reigning Champions in 1937/38. However, believe it or not, their collapse was not actually as calamitous as it sounds. In somewhat of a freak of a season, despite finishing second from bottom (only kept off the bottom by goal average) Man City were the top tier’s top scorers with eighty goals. Also, the gap between them and Champions Arsenal was a mere sixteen points (even under a three points for a win system, the points gap would still have only been twenty three!), with Arsenal having won the title losing as many as eleven games and failing to win exactly half the number of games they’d played in that season.

City returned to the top tier as Second tier champions in 1946/47 after football resumed after the Second World War, though would drop down to the second tier again in 1949/50, bouncing back up the following year as second tier runners up. By this point however, former blue Matt Busby had begun to build a formidable side across town at Old Trafford with City starting to play second fiddle in Manchester, with the only bright spot reaching back to back FA Cup Finals in the mid-1950s – a central part of which being the inception of the ‘Revie Plan’. Future Leeds Utd. manager Don Revie turned out for Man City from 1951 to 1956 as a deep lying centre forward and was part of a plan similar to the one the Hungarians used against England a couple of years prior, with Revie initiating attacks by coming into the centre of the field to receive the ball, in order to draw the opposing centre-half out of position.

On route to Wembley in 1955, Man City would knock their neighbours Man United out of the FA Cup in the fourth round. In the final however City would be struck by the ‘Wembley hoodoo’ as Jimmy Meadows tore a ligament meaning that in an era before subs were permitted City would have to play on with ten men and would lose to Newcastle United 3-1, with the Tynesiders winning their third FA Cup in four years. City returned the following season however after beating Spurs in the Semi-Final 1-0 at Villa Park to meet Birmingham City in the final.

In the event City beat Birmingham 3-1 with German former POW Bert Trautmann incredibly playing on with a broken Neck. Another noteworthy thing about this final is that it was refereed by Alf Bond who lost his right arm in an industrial accident in a rubber factory at the age of nineteen. City’s FA Cup victory however would not be a turning point for their fortunes. Five months on from Cup victory, Arsenal beat Manchester City at Highbury 7-3 with goals from Jimmy Bloomfield, Dennis Evans, Joe Haverty and four goals for Cliff Holton. Man City would only achieve one finish in the top half of the table in the seven seasons which followed the 1956 FA Cup Final. In between, Arsenal achieved a 5-4 win over Man City at Highbury, with goals from Danny Clapton, Jackie Henderson and a hat-trick for David Herd.

One bright spot for City during this period would be the signing of a young Denis Law from Huddersfield for a then British record of £55,000 making his debut against Leeds Utd in March 1960. Law would also score six goals in one game against Luton Town in an FA Cup tie in 1961, only for the match to be abandoned with twenty minutes to go and City actually losing the rematch. Law would only last one season at City, before transferring to Italian side Torino in 1961. City were relegated from the top tier again in 1962/63 finishing second from bottom, though on their final visit to Highbury before relegation inflicted a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal.

Man City this time spent three years outside the top flight with one of their most notable fixtures in the second tier being a 2-3 defeat away at Plymouth Argyle (then managed by Malcolm Allison), which involved an audacious two-man penalty kick scored by Argyle’s Mike Trebilcock a couple of years before he scored two in the FA Cup Final for Everton. This successful two-man penalty obviously pre-dates the more famous one by Johan Cruyff and Jesper Olsen for Ajax in the 1982 by eighteen years. Meanwhile, over at Old Trafford their rivals Man United had the holy trinity of Best, Charlton and Law, Man City’s attendances sank to an all-time low of just 8,015 who turned out to watch the blue half of Manchester lose 1-2 to Swindon Town.

Man City finished the season in eleventh position in the second tier, their lowest finish since 1893/94. In the close season of 1965/66 City appointed former Arsenal captain Joe Mercer, who had been sacked by Aston Villa after suffering a stroke, ably assisted by a dynamic younger coach in Plymouth’s Malcolm Allison. In their first season the duo achieved promotion for City as second tier champions, as well as their first appearance on Match of the Day with a 1-1 draw away at Bristol City. In their first season back in the top flight, Arsenal defeated Man City 1-0 at Highbury through a goal from Frank McLintock. City however managed a 1-1 draw against Man United at Maine Road, but as the red half of Manchester marched to the title that season, City had to make do with a lowly fifteenth place finish in the League.

The following season brought much improvement at Maine Road as Mercer and Allison fired Man City to the League title for the first time in thirty one years, an incredible turn around on what they inherited just three years prior and according to an article in the Manchester Guardian at the time had: ‘fulfilled the ancient prophecy that the meek shall inherit the earth with which nowadays must be incorporated the Football League championship as well as local councils’ (a sentiment a bit difficult for a Guardian reader to muster now City were funded by Petrodollars!) City however failed to pick up any points at Highbury in 1967/68, with Arsenal winning 1-0 in September with a goal from John Radford.

Matches on route to the title include a 1-1 draw away at Everton captured by Ken Loach’s BBC docu-drama, ‘The Golden Vision’. Also, a 4-1 home victory over Tottenham at Maine Road. City secured the title on the final day with a 4-3 win over Newcastle United at St. James’s Park. City started the following season with an incredible 6-1 win over West Brom in the Charity Shield. By the end of the Month, City also appeared in the first ever edition of LWT’s ‘The Big Match’ with a 1-1 draw against QPR at Loftus Road.

Three days later however City left Highbury on the receiving end of a hiding, with Arsenal winning 4-1 with goals from John Radford, Jon Sammels and two goals from David Jenkins – the latter breaking through from the Arsenal academy which reached back to back FA Youth Cup Finals in the mid-sixties, but was transferred to Spurs in exchange for Jimmy Robertson two months on from this game. City finished the season in thirteenth position, though were to reach the 1969 FA Cup Final, after defeating Everton 1-0 in the Semi Final at Villa Park, beating Leicester City 1-0 in the final at Wembley.


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  1. Ozzie

    Dec 19, 2015, 1:46 #80889

    It is so easy to blow the trumpet of "successful" managers who have have managed the top European clubs laced with the world's elite players at their disposal. I'm not convinced Guardiola or even Mourinho would make a difference to Arsenal. The manager who lifts a team from the lower rungs against class opposition is the type whose trumpet I would blow...

  2. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 21:45 #80888

    Not questioning that hes got his share of ego at all and a few of his comments down the years have lacked grace, but then id attribute the same characteristics to each and every one of those Coaches in the higher echelons of that ego fueled league. It always amuses me how media created images and perceptions are so eagerly leapt upon, by those who just love to dig a heel into a character, especially when the said character is on a downer. Society in this Country excels at it. Its so different in Europe, though they're not as easily fed by their media on the continent admittedly. The barbs aimed at Mourinho there by and large apply equally to Wenger, to Fergie, to Benitez and a few lower down the food chain too. Its what makes them Coaches at that level. Yes, they make pr---s of themselves from time to time. Name one who hasnt? We all know Westlowers tirades re Mourinho have gone on for an endless tedious and tiresome period of time, but not through any genuine heartfelt reason about him as a man, but only to shine a more favorable light on his paragon of virtue, Mr Wenger. Its very juvenile. Focus on the facts. JM has reached the very pinnacle of a career as a Coach, Wenger hasnt and maybe never will. Both display dislikeable traits from time to time. Both show passion in vastly different ways. They differ in the main it seems to me in that fellow Coaches seems to hold Mourinho in high regard as a man. Few seem to have done so about Wenger during his 20 years here. Dig at a man by all means but if the design is to show another man at a higher plane, the criticisms are flawed from the outset, especially in top level football. Give it up Westie, youve been boring the pants off everybody with yr 'Maureen' ( thats so childish in itself, cant you see that at least?) rants for far too long without anyone seriously picking you up for it. Grow up and give it up ffs.

  3. Rocky RIP

    Dec 18, 2015, 20:53 #80885

    Ron - You seriously aren't questioning JM's egotistical nature, are you? The man made the whole show all about him and manipulated the media to this end. He's egotistical, no question. I'd say poking Tito Vilanova in the eye was confrontational. Calling a fellow manager a voyeur and a specialist in failure under little to no provocation lacked grace and respect. Intimidation? I can't provide evidence, but the way he falls out with players at seemingly every club he goes to suggests he's got an unpleasant streak to him. I never fell his apparent charm. I've found him arrogant, smug and self-centred from day one. I can't believe so many Arsenal fans are leaping to his defence. The man is a prize bellend. Brilliantly successful, but I'm with Westlower on this.

  4. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 19:47 #80883

    ...and your party to her Court case are you Westie? Youve seen the statements of evidence have you? Why did she not challenge his exoneration by Chelsea? Youre all bluster Westie. Yr irrational dislike of anything that you perceive as a betterment than yr hero figure slights you to the point of base irrationality. You dont know anything about her application to the Tribunal any more than you know anything about the real reason behind his sacking. Thats the only fact on offer so far. I bet you were a 'my Dads tougher than yrs' merchant when you were at school. It sticks out a mile im afraid. Go read the views of another tabloid slave like you, Piers Morgan. For once in his life hes made some valid points in the Star. He may open yr eyes and free them of all of that dust.

  5. mbg

    Dec 18, 2015, 18:39 #80881

    jj, yes, i wonder who's next on the wengerites AKB's hate list now Maureen's gone ? what' the betting it will be probably one of the most likeable managers in the prem Claudio, after all he has the better of their messiah at the minute maybe even making him look foolish (which isn't hard to do)being on top of the league, playing better football getting more out of his players that TOF is, with quarter the budget he has as well, and that just wont do at all, What will the AKB's do if the tinker man gets the better of their messiah in February when we meet Leicester and makes him look foolish and are still top ? Central command will go into melt down he'll become a real hate figure, there'll be derogatory songs about him springing up all over the place, there'll be effigies of him hanging all over Central command, they'll be handing out models of him with a pin at the door, and if he and Leicester go on and win it ? God help him he'll be vilified by AKB's wherever he goes and at every opportunity..

  6. Westlower

    Dec 18, 2015, 18:17 #80879

    @Ron Dr Eva Carneiro suffered from confrontational, egotistical intimidation. Maureen's flawed judgement prevented any apology from him to a professional going about her job in good faith. 'Win at all costs' transcends decent & acceptable behaviour does it Ron?

  7. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 17:31 #80877

    Id really like to see yr evidence for that egotistical confrontational, intimidation' Westie? Can you provide it or will it just be from the Daily Mail or yr occasional soiree into the other pet rag dressed up in cheap sequins, the Telegraph? Can you assist by naming the 'exceptional youngsters' too?. I only ask as nearly all of the Clubs are bemoaning that there arent any? Where does Chelseas 'embarrassing state' start from? Theyve sacked the Coach, not seen him rounded up and taken to share a cell with Rolf Harris. You use all of this bluff and hyperbole to try and force through on others that arent sustainable or provable. Its not working. Nobody's having it. In laymen's terms its all bollox Westie.

  8. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 18, 2015, 17:18 #80876

    And the false dichotomies go on: An intimidating egotist or Wenger. The bad ole days or Wenger. Deliberate narrowing of the parameters of debate. Cut 'n' paste non-sequiters.

  9. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 17:18 #80875

    EG - yes, its all based on illusion and pretence isnt it. Its like the Club, itself beguiled by its own myth and pretence so long has it been spun. Wenger is the mystical guru, omnipotent and omnipresent. Westie and his alike are the duped followers. What are they on? Even Lennon and Harrison saw though the bullshine of the Maharishi in a short time yet Dr Spin and the rest of the adoring hangers on to AWs doctrines are still not even part way to seeing the Proff and the regime for what they are after a decade of dust blowing in their eyes. By the time, their eyes are opened Mourinho will likely have rocked up somewhere like City and once more be back at it, rolling Wenger over routinely before Westlowers tidied his kitchen up celebrating this sacking jamboree that hes immersed himself in. You couldn't make it up.

  10. mbg

    Dec 18, 2015, 17:15 #80874

    jj, move to Narnia, quip of the day. And we certainly have no Aslan, more a Mr Tumnus.

  11. Westlower

    Dec 18, 2015, 17:08 #80873

    The club & Wenger had to fly by the seat of their pants during the period of financial constraint and they've earned our support as we continue to grow. The groundwork has been largely done with the stadium debt diminishing. Chelsea's spending has dwarfed Arsenal's over recent years but we've come through a potentially difficult period in our history. To his credit Wenger has never put the club in jeopardy, which I regard as his greatest achievement. I've no doubt Wenger would have left or been sacked if results had ever put AFC in the embarrassing state that Maureen has left CFC in. You may wish for a confrontational, egotistical type to control the dressing room with intimidation. I prefer a coach who is loyal to his players & treats them with humility and respect. Maureen was reticent to blood the exceptional youngsters at CFC. Wenger has no such inhibitions with young talent seeking to find internal solutions first and foremost. Victory Through Harmony still holds good with me.

  12. Bard

    Dec 18, 2015, 16:52 #80872

    How about this guys. Ancelloti due to be unveiled as the new manager at Bayern, what are the chances of Pep coming to us at the end of the season after the boss resigns having had a terrific 2015 season. Stable club given full power and its in London. Whats not to like about that. Heard from some mates that there is some **** going on in the Chelsea dressing room and has little do with Maureen. You dont go from top coach to clown in double quick time unless something big has been going on.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 18, 2015, 16:22 #80871

    Ron, then there's the blizzard of stats that are both boring and totally irrelevant to the point the other side has just made. Then there's the constant misrepresentation designed to belittle the other argument. If you've lost faith in Wenger, it's only because you're bored of his face and it means you think he should and actually could be sacked right now. Actually, in thinking Wenger would lose his job with a record like Mourinho's this season, Westlower thinks he's closer to the sack than I do. Of course he doesn't really think this, he just likes to pretend Wenger is under the same boardroom pressures as other managers, despite the regular statements coming out of the club to the contrary (such as at the annual AGMs) as it opens up another whole avenue of excuses.

  14. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 15:32 #80870

    EG - The AKB fraternity just adore the words 'stability',' net spend' and 'consistency' as spun by the resident Dr Spin, but throw in 'evolve' and their entire lives ascend to a whole new misty eyed stratosphere. They dont really know what they mean in context of the Club and Wenger but they're soothed by these words and they seem to fit their images of the Proffs tenure. 'Plan' just send them delirious. All of this is fine. They need their warm, slippers and smoking jacket feeling, buts its a bit rich when they try and flannel it by hoping these vacuous soothing sounds are held up as a persuasive argument.

  15. jjetplane

    Dec 18, 2015, 15:22 #80869

    Back on GG's case again. That did not take long ..... Like listening to Cameron ....

  16. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 18, 2015, 14:44 #80868

    So is the choice only between the bad ole days or the same ole, same ole days? Not even evolving, just 'planning to evolve'. When does the 'planning' ever end? Answer: It doesn't, it's a con to dupe the masses. Where feast or famine is better than consistency is in the arena of sport, which is supposed to be unpredictable. Here comes that word again - this is boring, boring, boring. I understand as a conservative minded fella you're reassured by the 'stability' and if given the choice between 10 more years of 4th place Wengerism or an unknown future with a new manager you'd bite the hand off for the former.

  17. Westlower

    Dec 18, 2015, 14:03 #80865

    @Exeter, Have you forgotten the bad ole days? When was feast or famine, sh*t or bust, better than consistency? As recent champions Man U & CFC have shown, it doesn't take much to slide down the slippery slope. Why gamble when you can plan to evolve? AW has won 58% of his PL games, George Graham won 36.6% of his. AW goals For/Against ratio of 1.99, GG 1.26. Why sack AW now?

  18. jjetplane

    Dec 18, 2015, 14:02 #80864

    WEStIE as usual reads the picture like a schoolboy. You may love Uncle Arthur (creepy) but believe me, WOBs do not hate Webster, they are just so bored ****less by the footballing sterility and perhaps that is why a percentage of the squad are asleep for a season at a time. They are doped into submission and just move to Narnia whenever Webster needs the injury propaganda to flank the bent officials or the financial inability to compete with Leicester because a ranch extension is running late. I reckon secretly WESTIE loves (a) Maureen and hates (an) Arthur but the hole is too big to climb out of.

  19. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 18, 2015, 13:01 #80859

    Westlower, I was responding to your hypothetical contention that Wenger would lose his job in Mourinho's position with my own hypothetical contention that he would not. The blizzard of stats is irrelevant to that. The logical reason for Wenger going is a decade of precedence telling us he has hit his own glass ceiling. I'd lay good money he will again this season. The same old problems will keep rearing up - that's what's boring. The regular embarrassments aren't worth the continuous minor place top 4s for some of us. A more ambitious owner and fanbase would take the risk on someone else trying to break that glass ceiling.

  20. mbg

    Dec 18, 2015, 13:01 #80858

    Exeter, good post, yes indeed even if he got us relegated the cry from his cronies and wengerites would be, he's the man to get us back up, it has been on going for years, always judge him in May, but never which one.

  21. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 12:53 #80857

    If thats the extent of yr understanding of why many posters want change Westie, yr ability or willingness to try and understand those views is even more blinkered than i thought. Even if you were right, wd it be worse than yr blind bias and emotional liking for Wenger that you advance to justify not changing anything there? The notion of' buying trophies' was also discredited yrs ago, largely by the failures of the Galactico yrs at RM. Its further displaced now by Chelsea situation, Utds decline and Man Citys inability to dictate all tournaments for the last 8 years. Dont let yr prejudices get in the way of a good but senseless old AKB rant though. It just wouldn't do would it. I think the PL is the loser for Mourinhos departure and if the media are right (for once) that the top players there havent put it in for him, his sacking has just bolstered Chelsea.

  22. mbg

    Dec 18, 2015, 12:48 #80856

    jw, what if he were to end up at Arsenal in a years time ? or sooner, would that not put the cat among the pigeons, and it shouldn't be a problem for some of his haters as they've said they'll give they're full support to any manager when the time comes.

  23. Ron

    Dec 18, 2015, 12:42 #80855

    EG - On there money there. Best not burst Westlowers bubble though, hes been drunk on anti Mourinho sentiment since yesterday, all of it fuelled by the TV and the Daily Mail no doubt. The party rages on unabated! Very odd.

  24. mbg

    Dec 18, 2015, 12:36 #80854

    jw, spot on mate, it's a pity our lot hadn't the same balls, or showed the same class as Chelski has years ago after all the humiliations and embarrassments, at least he has ambition and doesn't suffer fools, covet or put up with failure.

  25. Westlower

    Dec 18, 2015, 12:33 #80853

    Love or loathe him, Wenger has never put Arsenal in the position that Maureen has with his abysmal run of defeats this season, which gives him a lowly 25% win ratio. Wenger has returned win ratio's between 50.85 (2006/07) & 66.67% (2013/14. This season he's currently at 62.5% in the PL. There has never been a logical reason to sack the man, apart from some supporters boredom with the same face at the helm. In Maureen's 5 years at the Bridge his average annual spend is £103m compared to Wenger's £27m. Have CFC bought trophies? Most certainly, whatever the merits or otherwise of Maureen.

  26. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 18, 2015, 12:07 #80851

    Were Arsenal in Chelsea's current position I'm 100% certain that Wenger's position wouldn't even be under review. He runs the UK arm of Kroenke's sports business portfolio and were Stan even moved to comment at all, it would be to give his full backing. Similarly, the obvious voices on here would be saying 'He's the man to turn it around', 'Get behind him you fainthearts' etc. Were AFC to remain in a lowly position for the whole of the season, it's possible that Wenger himself may contemplate his position, though even then I still think he'd say things like 'I'm more determined than ever'. 'This season was an accident' etc. The obvious voices on here would say 'He's allowed one bad season' 'Lot of bad luck' etc and on it would go.

  27. Westlower

    Dec 18, 2015, 9:46 #80845

    In his two spells 2004-7 & 2013-15 at CFC Maureen totalling 5 years spent £515.4m, compared to £515.2m spent by Wenger in 19 years. Not all of Maureen's deals came off, Shevchenko £30m, Wright-Philips £21m, Cuadrado £23.3m. His current loss rate of 56% in the PL guaranteed him the sack & I suspect any manager, including Wenger, would have also lost their jobs with that loss %. It's relegation form + he lost the dressing room, a sure sign it's adios.

  28. Ozzie

    Dec 18, 2015, 6:45 #80844

    Thanks for the interesting read, Robert. Westlower, you've set yourself up for a nightmare - g'night and all that. Mourinho has been an embarrassment to British football. Hey, did you know we have our own Luis Suarez down under? It's called The Great Australian Bight ;) haha. Who said you poms were the kings of humour?

  29. jeff wright

    Dec 17, 2015, 22:28 #80843

    All of this classless Chelsea sacking the poor manager is just another attempt to try and claim that our owners, or major shareholders rather, have done the right thing keeping Arsene in the comfort zone for the last 11 years . At any top club with genuine ambition the manager would have been fired if producing the sort of results that Mourinho did this season - especially with his odious antics regarding the woman doctor and other aberrations. United soon got shut of Moyes even though he had won the Community Shield ! Not that anyone other than Stan and co rate that shield as being a proper trophy. LVG is far from being safe even more so now with Mourinho available if he is wanted. I'ts the norm in Europe and also now in England to sack inept managers who are not doing their job properly. Hey and guess what... when our old has-been in the job 20 (yawn) years eventually departs it will then be the norm with us as well .That's the way it should be - mind you the same criteria that has kept old dog Arsene in the comfort to which he has become accustomed to - 4th place and the Champs League group stage cash counted as being job done by a grateful greedy Stan - this will still apply. So knowing that there will not be any shortage of volunteers for the job and - the 8m a year wages that goes with it . You couldn't make it up.

  30. Torbay gooner

    Dec 17, 2015, 21:44 #80842

    True mbg, I also would have liked the comedy show to have lasted a little longer. It going to seem a bit dull under whoever(Hiddink?)takes temporary charge.

  31. Peter Hughes

    Dec 17, 2015, 20:49 #80841

    Absolutely classless Chelsea. Always been special being an Arsenal supporter Times like today reinforce that.You can buy a few trophys but not class & history.

  32. The Special One

    Dec 17, 2015, 20:43 #80840

    I must have missed it, is this article on Mourinho or Chelsea. Or are some of us too special to find the forum?

  33. mbg

    Dec 17, 2015, 19:52 #80839

    I don't know about any other Arsenal fans and/or arsene fans but I would have wanted Chelski to keep Maureen on and stick by him and let him continue to do what he's doing, ie bringing the chavs down and making them a laughing stock (it makes a change from it being TOF and us) but no apparently not, in the wengerites AKB's haste to celebrate his sacking they've overlooked (they're good at that)the fact that a new man will come in now (hiddink by the looks of it, maybe even pep)and give them a new lease of life,(something we've wanted and needed for years) and get all the players going again, performing, and eager to impress their new manager, even before Chelski splashes out in January. Then guess who could become the laughing stock again ? they're not and never were the brightest over at AKB central command.

  34. Hiccup

    Dec 17, 2015, 19:44 #80838

    Joyous celebrations on here over Mourinho's departure, and rightly so! Empty your desk, take Wenger out from your pocket and shut the door on your way out. With Chelsea still to play, who knows now, we could take all the points? It begs the question though, whether Wenger would have liked one final chance against his nemesis? Or is he relieved just like the akb's are on here, that we don't have to go through the embarrassment of being the only team not to take anything off chelsea this season?

  35. jjetplane

    Dec 17, 2015, 18:39 #80837

    Now that Maureen has gone will WESTIE (cyber age 8) redirect the hatred back to GG? Tough decision to make for Chelski but the fun one would be if OBram ups and leaves. That would be funny. Why Arsenal did not take the same road and offload the ostrich years back shall remain a mystery of sorts. All the talk is no one is safe except of course the odd man out. The outsider. The accountant.

  36. jeff wright

    Dec 17, 2015, 18:22 #80836

    mbg, the nightmare scenario for Arsene is if Mourinho takes over at OT from LVG and provides a quick-fix there as he does do at new clubs .We know it all goes pear-shaped in the third season but when he does leave he atl east leaves trophies won behind him. 22 at various clubs since Arsene last won the title in 2004.No doubt Gus will have got the blue slackers motivated by the time we play them on 22nd Jan.

  37. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 17:51 #80835

    Maureen goodnight, Maureen goodnight. Goodnight Maureen, goodnight Maureen, I'll see you in my dreams. Sometimes I live in the country, sometimes I live in town, sometimes I have a great notion that Chelsea are going down. Maureen goodnight, Maureen goodnight. Goodnight Maureen, I'll see you in my dreams....please shut the door on your way out.

  38. mbg

    Dec 17, 2015, 17:44 #80834

    jw, yes indeed, we can say what we like about Maureen (and some do and are) and deem and accuse him of being a failure (as some are ) well if that's the case what does that that leave wenger.

  39. Ron

    Dec 17, 2015, 17:17 #80833

    Liked the Allison and Mullery head to head. Allison loved his own voice but he d got Mullery weighed up there. As over rated a Tott player as theres ever been in my view. There has been a few of them too! Indeed a pedestrian journeyman if ever there was one.

  40. jeff wright

    Dec 17, 2015, 16:52 #80832

    One thing about this Mourinho ,he won the league last season with Chelsea and the other successful ones such as Di Mateo who won the European Cup when in charge for half a season,is that Wenger no trophies for 9 years last title won way back in 200-4 and never won anything in Europe in 20 years of failure - would not last long at Chelsea - or any other club either with any ambition other than to make profits. Good old Arsene.

  41. John F

    Dec 17, 2015, 16:47 #80831

    Thanks Westie,I made the mistake of watching from the clockend when really the North Bank was the place to be it was heaving that night.

  42. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 16:39 #80829

    @John F, Your memory is working well, as the crowd that night was 57,960. Compare that to when we beat Man City 3-1 (Davis, Hayes (pen), Rocastle) in the 3rd round of LC in 1986 when the attendance was 21,604. Back to Oct 28th 1978 the team was: Jennings, Rice, Nelson, O'Leary, Young, Matthews (Hudson), Rix, Price, Stapleton, MacDonald, Brady (goal scorer). Paddy Power odds for next CFC manager: Hiddink 1/5, Ramos 3/1, Rodgers 10/1, Simeone 12/1, Pep 14/1, Wenger 100/1.

  43. Th14afc

    Dec 17, 2015, 15:29 #80826

    Well well well....the real specialist in failure has been sacked by the chavs haha....some people on here will be gutted to see their messiah leave the bridge

  44. John F

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:53 #80823

    Good read again Rob.If my memory serves me right the 78 league cup Q/F with Man city was attended by 57000 the largest Highbury crowd I have been in.The semi against Liverpool was only in the Forties which I found strange as they were the bigger draw to me.No mention of the lady with the bell who used to follow city everywhere I used to love hearing it when we played them.I will never forget Dennis Law scoring against Utd to relegate them,he looked devastated.

  45. Rocky RIP

    Dec 17, 2015, 14:52 #80822

    The greatest manager in Chelsea's history has been sacked by them TWICE. Classless lottery winners.

  46. Westlower

    Dec 17, 2015, 9:13 #80807

    Overall Arsenal have a tremendous record v Citeh, W 94, L 49, D 43. 12 of those defeats came in the Woolwich Arsenal era. Citeh's best spell came between Oct 74 & Oct 77 when they won 5 and drew one out of 6 games v AFC. On the flip side, Arsenal had an unbeaten run of 19 games v Citeh between 1992 and 2006.