To Dare To Dream?

Online Ed: Great start to festive period for Arsenal against Man City



To Dare To Dream?


It promised to be a highly significant fixture, and let’s hope that proves the case come the final reckoning, as Arsenal answered the questions about whether or not they can win the games that often determine the top positions at the season’s end.

Manchester City came into this game as the bookies’ favourites to win the title. I imagine they probably still are, but the gap between them and the Gunners at the nation’s turf accountants will have undoubtedly shortened after this resolute and convincing display.

City were without Kompany, but did have Yaya Toure and Sergio Aguerro starting. And for the first half an hour, City were on top. More composed, with greater assurance in possession. However, they were reduced to pot shots from outside the area. Certainly the amount of the ball they enjoyed was probably deliberate, with a nod back to Arsenal’s win at Eastlands earlier in the calendar year. Arsene Wenger presumably instructed his men to play as if they were the away team. Soak up the pressure and hit them on the break. It was a tactic that might have reaped even greater dividends had referee Andre Mariner been a little less tolerant of some of City’s cynical fouling, with Kolarov the most guilty party.

But eventually, Arsenal’s plan bore fruit, although only after a real scare when Kevin De Bruyne was clean through and fired narrowly wide from the angle. Arsenal were more clinical. Two shots all half, both converted. The first was a thing of beauty with Walcott taking Ozil’s pass and curling his shot round Joe Hart into the corner of the net. Hart will have been disappointed with the second, put through his legs by Oliver Giroud after Joel Campbell and Ozil (again) combined to present him with the opportunity. That goal came right at the death of the first half, great timing and the crowd were buzzing as the players walked off.

The second half was predictably more open. Most of City’s chances seemed to come from set pieces, but Petr Cech handled everything comfortably. The home side had chances to make the end of the game far more comfortable with a third goal on several occasions, but their finishing deserted them. City, although looking generally composed, seemed a little laboured for long periods, but all that changed when Yaya Toure scored a typical long range goal out of a seemingly harmless situation. Arsenal had defended well, but momentarily switched off and allowed the Ivorian the time and space to find his range.

Predictably, an avalanche followed, and for a few moments Arsenal looked nervy. Yet, their last ditch defending did hold out and in the end they were able to see out injury time with some stop start football that blunted City’s momentum. They were deserved winners.

There were a number of notable performances. Both centre backs were superb and fired up. Koscielny was keen to take the game to the opposition when play opened up and showed real spirit. Mertesacker made two or three key interceptions. Ozil proved he has fully adapted to this league by making the key difference against top opposition. Olivier Giroud, with two men marking him most of the time, worked selflessly for the cause, and critically converted when the chance came his way. There was a tendency to give the ball away a little more often than was good for the heart, but the team generally recovered from these moments without cost.

No team has conceded fewer goals than Arsenal in the Premier League. That is the sign of title winners. If that stat continues until May, there is every chance Arsene Wenger can bring home a first league title in 12 seasons. And this was an Arsenal team with Joel Campbell and a midfield axis of Ramsey and Flamini. Winning this match was evidence of squad depth. Wins against Sunderland and Villa are one thing. Beating Manchester City is another.

Will Arsenal run out of steam as the games come thick and fast? Will Ozil get injured (as Sanchez has) through being overplayed?

Pep Guardiola will roll up at Eastlands next season. Who knows who will be in charge at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge, but with the money awash in the English game, you can be sure it will be someone with genuine talent. This season is possibly Arsenal’s best chance of winning the league in the next four or five seasons. Any cash available to strengthen the manager’s options is best used in January rather than waiting for the summer, even if there is a premium to pay. The title is there for the taking, but the club have to use all the resources available to them to maximise their chances. City will be a different proposition once Kompany returns and will put a run together.

Still, we can worry about January after the next two fixtures are done and dusted. Southampton away might be coming just at the right time, and Bournemouth at home should be three points in spite of the Cherries’ recent uplift. Certainly, Arsenal have done the hard work by beating City. The only fear might be the lack of ability to rotate next weekend when there are two games in three days, but momentum is unquestionably with the team.

A good start to the festive period, and one that can give us all hope that 2016 might finally see a fourth title under Arsene Wenger. Merry Christmas everybody.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. mbg

    Dec 23, 2015, 19:04 #81024

    Alsace, if it was down to some AKB's, especially one, although he's no longer on here, it would probably be neither, more like Happy or Merry (Holidays)

  2. Bard

    Dec 23, 2015, 15:20 #81017

    Capt Frank; I think if you are going to write articles on a weekly basis then you need to at least try and present something that is cliche free and avoids 'statements of the bleedin' obvious'. Arseneknewbest wrote a very good critique of Graham's article which I saw as a challenge. The posters on here are mostly very knowledgeable about football, I find it a bit insulting if someone waffles on about Wenger looking the players in the eyes and spouting platitudes. Sorry if thats harsh.

  3. Alsace

    Dec 23, 2015, 15:16 #81016

    Bard, I'm sure that you have something there. It's like an episode of Doctor Who, where some cult want to bring the sum total of existence to a full stop. Whilst the Doctor and his gorgeous pouting assistant are saving the universe, there are some bystanders who are really quite keen on everything coming to an end, because it would cut out the "worry" of continued existence. They might say "well at least you know where you are with (Arsene Wenger, I mean,) the end of all life as we know it". But it's Christmas, and we must as Captain Frank wishes us to, extend a word of friendship to the AKB's. I can't quite think what the word is,( Merry and / or perhaps Christmas) but let's all be grateful that for once in a long while, it is we who are opening a heavy and sustained armour piercing fire on our rivals. Come on you Gunners.

  4. mbg

    Dec 23, 2015, 14:37 #81015

    Gaz, your right mate, I agree, there have been other seasons when the league was there for the taking if the right decisions would have been taken, but this is the best opportunity yet and nobody can say it isn't, but we've all been here before as you know, others conveniently forget that, but if the Leopard does change his spots or decisions are forced on him and we go on to win it, I'll be just as delighted as anyone and celebrate as much as anyone (regardless of what some idiots say and think) and maybe even be pleased for wenger (although it certainly would not make up for or erase the last ten years of failure and everything that went with it) but i'd still want him out, but will all concerned continue to step up to the plate right to the very end ? especially with the incentive of the other teams ? I've seen the implosion to many times to think any different, but if we don't do it this time there can be nowhere to hide for wenger (and I know that's been said before and it's been true then too but there has never been a better opportunity) or half his team he has to go, just as I hope he does even when/if we win it.

  5. mbg

    Dec 23, 2015, 14:04 #81012

    Kenny, maybe some could get a petition going and have something done about that, but there's still Claudio and Leicester.

  6. jjetplane

    Dec 23, 2015, 12:42 #81009

    Yhe FA Cup this season should be all the more competitive with a lot of PL clubs upping their game structure and Arsenal would have to go hell for leather to defend it. For once it does seem the PL would be more manageable than the FA Cup though would be very suprised if Wenger did not give his all for the FA Cup and of course a good run keeps momentum going. Giroud is a funny one but a hatrick and a good goal against a top four side sees him growing in stature and here's hoping he has a really good season. Still would like to do back to Joel who in tight areas produces pass work as good as any in Europe. Hope he develops well too and is not sidelined by other players coming back for injury and finding a place in the team by default. The current lot seem to be enjoying their game so let's see where it goes. Wenger sticking up for a Manc manager looks like he has learnt one of Fergie's tricks to stroke the metaphorical brow of a fallen one. Wanyama is very much on the radar for a January buy and he would cost justly a pretty penny. Absolutely love the guy and and Wenger could offer up jack and a sackful. Here's hoping .... Did I just write all that? lol!

  7. Westlower

    Dec 23, 2015, 12:34 #81008

    @Nick, I think we agree that we need to rotate for the FA Cup games. That is not the same as throwing in the towel on the competition. Key players will need a break at some point in Jan/Feb so it makes sense to me to do it in the Cup games. Ronald Koeman stated in an interview this morning that Wanyama will not be sold in Jan. As he was reputed to be our #1 DM target I suspect finding the right player who is available will be difficult. As all the PL clubs are due massive TV payments, nobody needs to sell right now. If we buy from abroad, it's the lack of PL experience/settling period syndrome all over again. Be pleasantly surprised/shocked should a new DM be bought in this Jan. It's arguable how important the DM role is when struggling teams like CFC & Man U have Matic & Schneiderlin in place? How vital is the DM in Leicester's team? Leicester have conceded 10 more goals than Arsenal but still lead the table. Is sheer weight of numbers behind the ball more critical to defending than one brick built DM? As Arsenal have the best goal difference in PL, we must be doing something right?

  8. Wear Your Colours

    Dec 23, 2015, 12:13 #81007

    Bard (re 85796) glad you’ve got there with your epiphany this morning. You are correct. My support for Arsenal is not ‘conditional’ on them winning trophies. I started supporting them when I was six, have continued to so for the best part of forty years, and will continue to do so until the day I die. Win, lose or draw, they are still my team and always will be. COYG!

  9. Tony Evans

    Dec 23, 2015, 11:35 #81005

    Captain Frank - I completely agree. All the old criticisms of Wenger were valid, and it is only fairly recently that we have seen a gradual move towards all of the things Wenger's detractors have been desperate to see for ages - namely a top quality keeper, more tactical awareness, less gung-ho, less tippy tappy etc, etc. As you say the midfield enforcer position is still way too far down Wenger's list of priorities (or so it would seem) for my liking and that may still cost us in the coming months, but at least we are moving in the right direction at last. The big question is why the hell has it taken about 10 years for him to realise his old ways were never going to work - and let's not hear any of that lack of money nonsense, because many of our ills could have easily been solved without massive outlay.

  10. Nick

    Dec 23, 2015, 11:05 #81004

    Westie I stick by my stance on the FA Cup, an historic three wins on the bounce is in the offing and as holders it would be disrespectful to take the competition lightly, rotate by all means, but at the very least have key players on the bench if needed, the league is not in the bag and the CL is in reality beyond us at this point barring a major upset, as for strengthening in the January window if the will is there deals can be done and with our injury list as ever as long as the laws arm not to bring in reinforcements would be folly, whether Wengers stubborn streak will allow him to do so is another matter, in my opinion it would be gross negligence not to buy at the very least another anchor man in midfield. Before we play one of the top sides pundits and supporters alike always say that it is a real test and indicator of our character and chances, yet after we have beaten said top side there then comes the caveat that we were either lucky or the opposition were under strength and below par, happens every time, this season we have beaten manure red and blue, drawn with Liverpool, and thumped the current league leaders,( the only loss they have suffered in the league) yet still our detractors find reason to belittle us, I am still of the opinion that it is more important not to LOSE to your direct rivals while beating the teams we really should ne beating, for instance has we won the games at the Hawthorns and Carrow Road from winning positions we would now be three points clear of Leicester City and nine clear of man city , still eight clear of manure blue had we only drawn Mondays game and one point clear of the Foxes, it is in the games such as those and the upcoming fixtures vs Southampton and Bournemouth which will truly decide our title challenge .

  11. Captain Frank

    Dec 23, 2015, 10:16 #81003

    Graham - Giroud hit it and got lucky that it went through Hart's legs in my opinion. I don’t think any striker would deliberately try to nutmeg a keeper from that distance with that power. That's not to say it wasn't a good finish, he struck it hard and low and from that angle I think that is all you can ask. No doubt if Hart had saved it, there would have been plenty on here bemoaning Giroud's finishing.
    Bard - It's all about opinions. What I see as views, you see as something different. I think that is a good thing in general, but why the need to pour scorn on others who make contributions to the site? You have written some very good articles yourself and not always received the respect you deserve so I would have thought you would be more supportive of Graham than most.

  12. Captain Frank

    Dec 23, 2015, 10:14 #81002

    One point which is really bugging me is how the AKBs seem to think that our current form somehow proves the AMGs wrong. If anything I would say the opposite is true. I know some of you, especially MGB, think I'm in the former camp but I've been of the view that we needed a new manager for at least four years. I still am if truth be known, but I do feel that the situation is improving and the need is not as desparate as it was. The reason for this is that the manager has changed to some extent. Maybe not as much as he needs to or some would want, but he has changed and this is why I feel that the criticisms made over the last five years were appropriate and relevant. Why wouldn't he see the need for a strong midfield enforcer? He still doesn't place enough emphasis on the position in my view, but at least with Coquelin we have seen the benefits of having someone who sits and makes tackles. Flamini has done well when called upon recently, but it's still the obvious position to strengthen in January. Why did we persevere with goalkeepers who weren't good enough for so long? Cech has made such a difference and Wenger has recognised this with his comments last week. What a shame it took so long. Finally, tactics. We never seemed to have any. I say seemed, because I can't believe we didn't have any at all, but they didn't noticeably change from one game to another and largely consisted of "pass a lot, don't let the others have the ball and don't shoot unless you have an open goal." That has clearly changed too and whilst I know some would like to give all the credit to the players, the manager must be given some credit. How many people noticed how Walcott and Campbell were used on Monday? In the first-half, Campbell was deployed on the right wing to provide protection against Kolarov's runs, whilst Theo had the less attack-minded Sagna on his side of the pitch. In the second half, with City chasing the game, they swapped which gave Walcott more space to run in behind Kolarov on the break. It didn't pay dividends in terms of a goal, but I thought it made sense at the time and feel that instruction would have come from the manager. Taking off Campbell didn't have the desired effect as Gibbs had a bit of a mare, but Joel is such a willing worker that he'd simply run himself into the ground in 70 mins. I suspect that's what he's told to do - "Give us 100% for 70 mins". Anyway, just my opinion.

  13. Bard

    Dec 23, 2015, 8:33 #81001

    Fans and devotees, I had an epiphany moment this morning. I understood where the AKBs are coming from. Their support exists as a kind of unending eternity. Seasons come and go and opportunities are missed but for them we are always moving forward towards the promised land. As Amos says if we cant buy in Jan then keep the money til the summer, this overlooks the fact that the season ends in May. This is a minor inconvenience because for the AKBs the seasons roll into each other. They are indistinguishable. Arsenal is like a never ending soap opera, our very own Archers, its serves as a comfort blanket, a place of certainty in a ever changing world. Once you understand this all the angst about winning trophies or not goes out the window.

  14. Snowbiggee

    Dec 23, 2015, 5:33 #81000

    Couldn't agree more Kev re buying our targets in January and not waiting for the summer. With more money coming in next season and lots of new big name managers, prices are going to get crazy. No time for dithering Mr Wenger.

  15. Gaz

    Dec 22, 2015, 23:12 #80999

    Hi mgb/Tony E: Wengers sides are being forced upon him and they're all stepping up to the plate. When he has choices and decisions to make I think I'll be more worried! Things are definitely falling into place for him and he'll never find another season where our main rivals are all imploding...

  16. franks best friend

    Dec 22, 2015, 22:23 #80998

    Jw equals mbg and vice versa. Well spoken Captain.

  17. N4

    Dec 22, 2015, 21:27 #80997

    OK at least and for once we played with tactics and I hope we do it more in all games including the so called small teams...West Brom and Norwich etc...I think we need to give flaming and Montreal a lot of credit as I don't think they get enough credit and probably more to flaming as he is somehow still doing his best for the club...either way even if we win the remaining of all the cups I still want Wenger out once his contract finishes unless it's before that then it'll be even better !

  18. Bard

    Dec 22, 2015, 21:01 #80996

    Graham what lowers the quality of the site is the s**** that gets posted in the name of 'thoughtful comment'. You need to up your game if you want to be taken seripusly.

  19. Kenny

    Dec 22, 2015, 20:31 #80995

    Kev once again Arsenal are the year on year champions.But those bastards at the Premier League have decided the league runs from August to May.Its not fair

  20. Mark from Aylesbury

    Dec 22, 2015, 18:33 #80994

    Jamerson you're back. We missed you, er well actually... Anyway why would I support UTD if Mourinho goes there? Hang on Chelsea are playing crap that's why your back on here. Better dump that blue plastic flag sunshine. Now where the hell is Badarse?!?

  21. mbg

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:58 #80993

    Coldsoreboy, it's good to see your taking heed.

  22. mbg

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:37 #80992

    Gaz, good post, but unfortunately there's still one who can stop us, and always does.

  23. Arsenal Circular

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:35 #80991

    85775 CAPTAIN FRANK You are right about the constant sniping. It diminishes the site; lowers the standard of discussion. It creates more heat than light when reason and opinion should prevail. Can't we all make a New Year Resolution to respect each other without putting in the knife and upping the acrimony and and the bile. Re your comments on City I saw more in them. They had chances and the result could have been a draw. That is not in any way to diminish our performance. We were terrific and it was such an important win but as everyone is saying without Kompany they look vulnerable. and one more point - great though Theo's strike was should Hart have been beaten. Now a football point. you are bearing down upon Joe Hart. Where do you put the ball in order to get it into the net. Most keepers will spread themselves wide. Two arms away from the body and legs also wide in the hope that the shot is deflected. The only uncovered area is where Giroud placed it - between Hart's legs. Is that what he intended? Had he thought this through? Is this what attacking coaches teach - how to win one-to-one encounters. I don't know. I am just fan but I really expected a deflection. so I ask the question - did Giroud place the ball between Hart's legs having decided the that the legs would be wide open. A football question and hopefully a football answer without the confrontation. when his legs were wide open. Final point Captain Frank I am thinking of THFC. They look different from past seasons. They appear more solid and more disciplined. so far they are free from injuries but that apart I think they will challenge. GRAHAM

  24. mbg

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:27 #80990

    Torbay Gooner, how many seasons have we been saying that, and as usual it depends on the options, and there's only two (regardless of what others would have us believe)do we want to win it or not, sadly it may not be the way TOF and his fans will look at it and by the way things are shaping up that will be the case and if the last nine ten seasons are anything to go by he/they won't. Rob, your dead right we certainly know which option fergie and his fans would take.

  25. Torbay gooner

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:18 #80989

    Ron, well known that January is harder time to buy, but there will be quality players out there and it should not be beyond Arsenal's abilities to identity those players. Other clubs manage it, seem to remember Liverpool signing Suarez in Jan and Manure got Vidic in a similar window.

  26. Bard

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:08 #80988

    Captain Frank; AKBs rarely give views or even decent arguments more like incantations and felicitations.

  27. Westlower

    Dec 22, 2015, 17:06 #80987

    @Captain Frank, There's a good chance that our neighbours will have a winning run until mid Feb when they visit the Etihad on the 14th & resume Ropey Cup games on the 18th. They've become a very good side when free of Ropey Cup fixtures. I can see them making the top 4. My prediction:1. AFC 2. Citeh 3. Man U 4. TH. 5. Chelsea 6. Leicester.

  28. Bard

    Dec 22, 2015, 16:47 #80986

    Alsace a really good post. My sentiments entirely. This next window is going to be intriguing. He has a chance to nail the 'failure' tag that some feel about him and it wont cost him more than £40-£70m ( the cost of a player or two). What would the most successful manager in Prem history do ? Its a no brainer.

  29. Highbury Boy

    Dec 22, 2015, 16:39 #80985

    A great atmosphere last night. More like a Cup Final than a League match. Beating City last night against a draw in the corresponding match last season means that we have now exactly the same points against the corresponding teams after 17 matches. So let's not get too excited. I do think though that with the implosion of Chelsea,the new manager at Liverpool yet to get his players in,the boring style of LVG yet to win over players and fans,impending managerial change at City,inexperience at Spurs and lack of squad depth at Leicester this is going to be our best chance ever of winning the PL. Even a ko by Barc would help as it will be no disgrace to go out to them. A PL win and retirement by AW is a win,win situation.

  30. Ron

    Dec 22, 2015, 16:13 #80984

    TG - In fairness to Wenger re buying players to strengthen the team its hard to see who decent there is. I know they've got the knowledge or should have but January is generally a window for stiffs, rejects and players who've been bombed out by their Clubs. Where is Kallstrom when you nned him!

  31. Captain Frank

    Dec 22, 2015, 16:07 #80983

    I do find myself siding more and more with goonercolesyboy and Westlower. We can all look back and say mistakes have been made and not learnt from, but isn't it a more enjoyable experience to at least try to balance that with some hope and positive expectation? MBG clearly does HATE Wenger which I find very sad given how much joy he gave us in the past even if you believe the frustrations of the last decade outweigh the good times. We may fail again, but right at this moment and only thinking about the period until the end of the season, which club would you rather support? Leciester? I could see an argument for this as they have been a breath of fresh air and I'm with everyone who has said that if we don't win the title, it would be great to see them do so, but realistically we have to expect them to fall away sooner or later. Man City? Based on what I've seen, not just last night, but over the last couple of months, they are not the force we thought they all were. A fit Aguero and Kompany could make a difference, but they seem to have caught the Arsenal-injury-itis. Liverpool? I like Klopp and think he will do well given time, but after the initial burst of excitement, the reality is that it's going to take a while - maybe a year - for him to mould the squad the way he wants it. United? They look to be in almost terminal decline. Yes, they may get rid of LVG and bring in someone else - possibly Mourinho - but even then I think they'll be in a similar situation to Liverpool. Chelsea? They will stabilise now I'm sure and I would not be at all surprised if they finished top 4, but they are too far back to nmount a challenge in my view. I hope no-one is even thinking of Tottenham? The AMGs have long challenged the AKBs to give their views on this site, yet whenever they do, they get shouted down and eventually slip away to somewhere which is more balanced. That is a shame because there are a great mix of people on here who are clearly very knowledgable about the game, btu the constant sniping at each other is to the detriment of the site.

  32. Tony Evans

    Dec 22, 2015, 16:03 #80982

    Hi Gaz - it's looking good isn't it, but like you I can't help but think Wenger will still contrive to mess up the best chance we have had of winning the League for years. Tactics have improved (in that we actually seem to have some) and that wretched gung-ho style of play is gradually disappearing, but we are still short of a quality holding player (at the very least), and Wenger finally doing something about it in January would go a long way to help me believe we are really on to something this season. Doubt if it will happen though and we will just have to rely on what we have and pray that the injury situation gets no worse.

  33. Bard

    Dec 22, 2015, 15:57 #80981

    Alsace; A really good post, my sentiments entirely. This next few months will be intriguing. Wenger has a wonderful opportunity to nail the 'failure' tag touted by some. The cost would be around £40-£70m, the price of one or two players. Will he or wont he? Or perhaps more pertinently what would the most successful manager in prem history do ? Its a no brainer.

  34. Gaz

    Dec 22, 2015, 15:49 #80980

    That could be a pivotal win for Arsenal and Wenger. We're finally beating our main rivals, we're gathering real momentum, and I can't really see anybody stopping us now. Ozil has become our talisman and a player every other Club in England would want in their side. Add the influence of Sanchez and particularly Cech and we're looking really strong. Of course we've been here before which is why I wont change my opinion yet that Wenger should go. Indeed if we finish second to City it'll be a real disappointment-if we finish second to anyone other than City then Wenger will have had a complete mare and would have to go ASAP!...

  35. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 22, 2015, 15:27 #80979

    Others know better, Klopp is the saviour, training methods must change, old GG would have done this, Leicester are the only worthwhile team, the old cart horse is just that, Theo is only good for interviews....here ended the lesson as conducted by the mug uiresbridge.

  36. Torbay gooner

    Dec 22, 2015, 15:08 #80978

    A good win against our rivals and Kevin's report contained the key sentence "The title is there for the taking, but the club have to use all the resources available to them to maximise their chances". So come on Arsenal/Arsene, let's actually do some decent business in that window.

  37. Westlower

    Dec 22, 2015, 14:47 #80977

    A timely reminder with the transfer window looming. Arsenal have a 25 man squad, the maximum allowed. A minimum of 8 have to be homegrown. We have 3 out on loan, Jenkinson, Martinez & Szczeny. The other 7 are, Coq, Gibbs, Ramsey, Ox, Theo, Welbeck & Wilshere. The remaining 15 players are, Debuchy, BFG, Gabriel, Kos, Rosicky, Arteta, Ozil, Giroud, Ospina, Sanchez, Monreal, Cazorla, Flamini, Campbell, Cech. Bellerin & Chambers are U21 players of which there are no limit on numbers of, but don't count as part of the 25 man squad. To summarise the transfer situation, someone has to be offloaded before a new signing can come in. Dealing in January is more problematical compared to the summer transfer window. Don't expect anymore than one new signing coming in. Also January is not a good time to change the manager. Chelsea have installed an interim Manager until the summer. Only desperate panic driven clubs change the manager mid-season. @mbg, Is that the same Leicester that Arsenal beat 2-5?

  38. Alsace

    Dec 22, 2015, 14:38 #80976

    Far Far away supporter asks an interesting question. How would the AMG's feel if we win the League? The answer is that we would feel wonderful. Why? Because you can't win the League without applying the tactics and decision making which we have all been crying out for, for over a decade. Last night's performance would not have been possible until perhaps a year ago when someone, goodness knows who, knocked some partial sense into the man. The significance of Wenger, and our desire to oust him is that his decisions, on the crucial issues, have been bonkers. Will all be forgiven if we win the League? No, because he has wasted our time and money for far too long. Will we be in some way pleased for the old fool? Yes of course we will, because he is incompetent, not evil. Let's hope that we get to that happy conundrum.

  39. CT Gooner

    Dec 22, 2015, 14:37 #80975

    Great team performance last night, everyone fired up and on the same page, though our shape and pressing really went down with a half hour to go. I think I'd have pulled Theo and put Chambers on to man mark Yaya, he was instrumental in everything they did and theo seemed tired. I much prefer Ramsey to Carzola in the box to box role, and his confidence is coming back. I base that on him making far fewer pointless back passes, though there were a couple again last night on the verge of suicidal. I don't see us spending next month, but I don't think it's crucial this year. To the AKB's out there, I'd be careful about going to far with the Wenger praise, LC have more points from a far lower spend and a significantly lower ticket price. Yes no European football, but no humiliations to weaker EU opposition either.

  40. jjetplane

    Dec 22, 2015, 14:37 #80974

    Just saw Cech playing drums, playing goalkeepers - premiership paradigm perhaps. Not too sure about Alex on the keyboards and no rap from Theo who scored a goal reminiscent of goals by Sad Nick and Happy Henry against t' other Mancs and much aplomb in the Ollie Goal and he is proving to be a top top striker in the bracket of Bony et al. All very assured and Joel looked a better fit with Ozil than the hard trying Ramsay who may get back to a former accuracy. Back four were not worked in all honesty with Citeh looking knackered and emotionally fatigued - poor souls. Southampton may perversely be trickier as it is felt there is more to come from them as spearhead for the south coast revival. Bournemouth also have no fear and are pacy and direct so should also be an interesting encounter. Cech on the drums and no maestro conducting the session. May well be a defining moment either way .... tap tap tap tish tish ... WESTiE don't be pulling the blazer and the medals out of the red cupboard just yet - remember - football does exist away from the horses etc ....

  41. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 22, 2015, 14:00 #80973

    Methinks maguiresbridge "he doth protest too much". Sounds like a Wenger fanboy to me.

  42. mbg

    Dec 22, 2015, 13:41 #80971

    Bill Murray, excellent post, too many dreamers.

  43. Far far away fan

    Dec 22, 2015, 13:36 #80970

    @mbg I always enjoy reading your posts. If by some hook or crook Arsenal do win the league, what would you say? And how would you feel? Would you at least feel a sliver of happiness if Wenger lifts the premier league?

  44. mbg

    Dec 22, 2015, 13:27 #80969

    wenger instructed ? i'm glad you used the word presumably, somebody did I doubt it was him, well done to that person/persons it helped earn us the three points, along with an excellent goal from wally (and as usual he wasted no time in telling us all about it, along with a few other things also i'm sure TOF is glad to him back to do what he does best and it's not playing football)and another from the cart horse, (it must be the beard) what has happened to hart lately it's not often he lets one through his legs, in a dull game that wasn't much of an advert for presumably the best league in the world from two teams who are supposed to be among the best in it. There's not one team in this league that can be said they deserve to win it with their displays and performances, apart from Leicester that is, but it's two more points towards our holy grail of CL qualification nothing else, some are dreaming alright and always are, but others know better.

  45. Rob

    Dec 22, 2015, 13:02 #80968

    Now if the dreaded 'Sir Alex' was in this position, how would he approach it ? With a real statement of intent, in the January window is the answer. He was a committed winner - whatever else you think of him - are we ?

  46. Westlower

    Dec 22, 2015, 12:51 #80967

    @Nick, Given the strong position we're in to win the PL we must prioritise that competition over the FA Cup. We're at Anfield on Jan 13th, Stoke away on Jan 17th, Chelsea home on Jan 24th. FA Cup replays are scheduled for Jan 19/20, so it could be carnage if we draw with Sunderland on Jan 9th. Should we get through, the 4th round is on Jan 30th & we play Southampton on Feb 2nd & Bournemouth on Feb 6th. Something has to give and IMO we should only play the squad players in the FA Cup.

  47. Bard

    Dec 22, 2015, 12:46 #80966

    Nick Its a good point about Ramsey. He thinks he is better than he is. He doesnt have pace and he doesnt have a trick. He should stick to what he does best and try to become a Lampard type. The buying issue is a red herring. There are too many factors mitigating against investing , lack of options, too expensive and too much competition. Either way its highly unlikely, the club would rather have a healthier cash balance than win a title, thats the Arsenal deal these days.

  48. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 22, 2015, 12:41 #80965

    To those who say "been here before, groundhog day lalalala" yes, I hear what you say, and yes, the standard isn't up to much this season whilst we are a bit better than in years gone by (if a paper thin squad) but I also get the feeling that with OGL it's legacy time, he wants to go down in history. We always performed better back in the day when chasing teams down (MU 97/98, & the Spuds for the 4th place trophy for example) this season to me feels more like 01/02 where there were no really good sides for the first half of the season and then we kicked on after that. Not our fault if MU/Citeh/CFC are temporarily disposed.

  49. Alsace

    Dec 22, 2015, 11:42 #80964

    Seeing the truth is hard sometimes. This was an accomplished win using sensible and effective tactics. Man City are very strong and we mugged them very effectively. That is three times in a row that we have tucked them up and you could see them slumping bodily at half and full time. Now for the truth. We are still down to our last D.M. He is very good but also very old. If we get a strong one in in January then we can do this again and again to our rivals and prepare for the future strongly. The league has got worse, but we have got much better, inch by inch. A really gut wrenching but an uplifting evening.

  50. Amos

    Dec 22, 2015, 11:21 #80963

    "Any cash available to strengthen the manager’s options is best used in January rather than waiting for the summer, even if there is a premium to pay." It's only best used in January if the option to strengthen the manager's options exists in January. If not it's best keeping the available cash until better options become available.

  51. Nick

    Dec 22, 2015, 11:16 #80962

    Great result, nervy last few minutes though, it would have been a travesty had we let it slip, despite city's possession we had by far the best and more numerous chances, better luck and finishing would have seen a far more convincing scoreline, just one note of critique, Ramsey must cut out his penchant for dwelling too long on the ball , it almost cost us a couple of times last night, and though the rest of his game was excellent he was also at fault for their goal standing watching while Toure got away from him. Bad news about Alexis but no more than we've come to expect , no injury is ever simple at Arsenal. If we can win our next two games both eminently winnable on paper we could go into the new year top of the table, with players coming back and fingers, legs and toes crossed that we actually buy to help us over the line this could and probably should be our year, sorry Westie I dont like talk of resting key players for the FA Cup, nothing is assured and as holders with a chance of a record of three cup wins on the bounce it would be folly to disrespect the grand old competition.

  52. Joe S.

    Dec 22, 2015, 11:04 #80959

    I don't buy the City were weaker because Kompany was out line. He is also part of an aging squad and his impact will start to decline from next season. Arsenal were much harder hit injury wise, what with the perennial crocks plus Sanchez and Carzola.The team's bench could not be further stretched, so at this stage the thrill is simply in watching this team's self belief and yes character overcome each challenge. How long it can last is going to be part of the rollercoaster because they are really stretched for replacements. Kieran Gibbs for example, Oh No we almost blew it.I don't expect Wegner to buy this break unless it is some freebie thrown out onto the market.Firstly all the big spenders need reinforcements, so he won't want to compete with them, plus the asking price for someone of value would be astonomical. The last decent player Arsenal picked up mid season was Monreal and that was a few seasons back now.Yes we can dare to dream, however it is going to have to be done in a good old fashioned against the odds barnstorming manner not too far removed from Leicter actually.

  53. Ron

    Dec 22, 2015, 10:43 #80958

    Merter had a good game as there was no powerful CF for him to handle. He has a free night really. Koschielny took on Aguero, who was clearly half fit, though Kos had a very good game and hasn't had a mention. Im not a fan of either Central defender but credit due to LK last night. His bringing the ball out from centre defence was very good. On the bringing players in issue, i cant see them buying or loaning anybody.

  54. Ron

    Dec 22, 2015, 10:04 #80957

    The 'poor league argument'has to be understood properly. It actually means poor top part of the league i.e. the established top 4 ie City Utd Arsenal and Chelsea. Its as Carragher said last night, Arsenal have maintained a good level that they've been at for a yr or two without really improving to any great extent, the others haven't hence Arsenal have a great chance of winning the title. Theres nothing wrong with a a few of the chasing Clubs who have improved immensely. Those towards the bottom have as well.Whether its a poor league depends on from what direction yr looking at it from. For the non blinkered, its a great Season. Refreshing to see that big money isn't holding sway. Good win last night though and good to see them digging in. Even the Wally didnt avoid putting his body in the way from time to time. Giroud once more, led the way.

  55. Bard

    Dec 22, 2015, 9:54 #80956

    It was a good win but we were far too open for my liking when we were 2-0 up. I am not a fan of BFG but he was excellent last night, as were many others. I dont think last nights result suddenly makes us world beaters. I dont agree the squad has a lot of depth currently. Welbeck and Wilshere wont be back this season as both have suffered further setbacks and the Coq wont be back until the deal is sealed. Neither Rosicky or Arteta make much difference whether they are fit or not. Sanchez will make a difference but I think Campbell gives us a better balance. Sadly I dont agree that we are likely to buy ( and pay over the odds) Kev. We have been here before and so far its clear he values the $ more than the trophy. I can see us taking a cheap loan deal though. A sort of fit Kallstrom !!

  56. Westlower

    Dec 22, 2015, 9:33 #80955

    According to the bookies Arsenal have a 50% chance of being PL Champions with Citeh 33% & Leicester 10%. Nice gesture by Cech to encourage the crowd to give the admirable Giroud an extra round of applause as they were walking off the pitch. Jockeys always do that to the best horses on their way to the winners enclosure. The time has come for our Brits to carry us over the PL finishing line. Theo looks on good terms with his game & will continue to score goals. Ramsey was on the 6 yard line for a tap in for our 2nd goal if Giroud had opted to pass instead of shoot. Although he missed a good chance in the 2nd half he'll score some important goals in the remainder of the season. He rarely gets picked up by the opposition when he makes his late runs into the box. The Ox will get chances over the busy Christmas period and he's capable of scoring goals. Alexis will have had a good break by the time he returns. The back 4 played very well, especially BFG. Campbell makes up in effort what he lacks in class but he certainly puts a shift in. Need to nurse Ozil through the next 3 PL games then rest him for the FA Cup game.

  57. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:54 #80954

    This season the so called lesser clubs are performing so much better because of the money now enabling them to buy better players and therefore win games more often against the so called big boys. Therefore this poor league argument is overstated by those who can't quite believe that we are playing so well and in a great position to win the league. City have now lost five games, incredible when they won their first five games and the title was as good as won according to the media. The depth of our squad has been questioned so many times, yet it is evident that we do indeed have a strong squad when you consider that most of those injured were regular starters. Yet it is even more imperative that we sign two maybe three players in the window as soon as possible to maintain this run and not wear the recent starters out and succumb to injury. This would make us even stronger and set us up for the future too as was quite rightly said above, clubs next year will be adding to their squads significantly. But the again, where will Guardiola end up could be the key question rather than who signs what players. Perfect fit for the Arsenal when the boss retires after this season maybe.

  58. GoonerRon

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:44 #80953

    Fabulous result and performance. I thought it was Mertesacker's best game for us, he was imperious, but throughout the team the workrate, commitment, application to the tactics were absolutely bang on. Hopefully our November mini-stumble is firmly past us now and we can continue to push on. COME ON YOU MIGHTY GUNNERS!

  59. David

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:36 #80952

    Great win and performance; on current form Arsenal are clear favourites for the title. And there's the rub: Citeh are capable of playing a lot better than they are at present- the way they played at the beginning of the season. At some point they are likely to get their best players back, and the outcome may depend on how well arsenal cope with the challenge.

  60. Savage

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:36 #80951

    This statement made no sense: "This season is possibly Arsenal’s best chance of winning the league in the next four or five seasons" City, Chelsea and United have been spending loads of money, so the money argument simply doesn't work any more. It's about squad cohesion and spirit, and apart from having it in abundance, we also have one of the game's best managers. #WengerIn

  61. Wolfgang

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:28 #80950

    Will Arsenal run out of steam?Its possible .Hopefully Wenger will have learned the lessons from previous aborted campaigns. I think this season could be the defining one.We have finally got atop quality goalie. Then there is less passing to eternity.This is asignificant change. The shoot for goal when then there is chance is finally proving dividends. The defensive md is aproblem for concern. We must get a Veira clone . If that happens I will think Wenger could finally land the epl trophy.

  62. Wear Your Colours

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:25 #80949

    Another good performance and another three points in the bank. We played the same 4-5-1 formation that we did against Munich recently and looked very solid allowing City to come onto us. Kevin, I agree with your player assessment, I thought Mertesacker had a very good game at centre-half. I was pleased to see Theo get on the score-sheet and Giroud’s first-time strike underlined the great trait of first-time finishing that he is developing. We worked hard all over the pitch, especially the central midfield trio of Rambo, Flamini and Ozil, but yet again I was really impressed by the effort Joel Campbell put-in; he has a touch of the ‘Romford Pele’ about him. Now we need to get our minds focused on the trip to Southampton. As the sage old words of wisdom state, we simply need to focus on one-game-at-a-time. COYG!

  63. Tony Evans

    Dec 22, 2015, 8:24 #80948

    Whilst not looking convincing we do look to be the best of a very poor bunch and yes we can dare to dream. I can't imagine we will ever get a better chance, so come on Wenger get that defensive midfielder in place pronto.