They Don’t Like It Up ‘Em

Online Ed: Gunners badly exposed at St Mary’s



They Don’t Like It Up ‘Em


We thought New Year’s Day 2015 was bad. A 2-0 defeat at Southampton when the team did not turn up and Szczesny took a drink from his water bottle to mark the second goal. This was worse. A chance to go top of the table and keep a decent gap above Manchester City. Before the game, the best price the bookies were offering on Arsenal for the title was 6/5, Manchester City could be got for 8/5. After this performance, City floated into 5/4 and Arsenal were 9/5. The Gunners certainly looked anything but champions elect at Southampton.

Ronald Koeman set his side up to press and harry Arsenal deep, force them to go long and not allow them easy possession. It was too easy. The worry is that this is a tactic easily replicated by other sides.

Granted, the first goal was a freak long range effort (although marginally offside in the build up). The second goal saw a trip on Koscielny missed by the officials which proved decisive, and the third was scored from a corner that shouldn’t have been given. So certainly, ill fortune, but Southampton had plenty of other chances and there is no doubt they were deserved winners. Arsenal simply didn’t turn up.

As Arsenal did against Manchester City last Monday night, Southampton played like the away team, soaking up the pressure and hitting Arsenal on the break. Mertesacker and Koscielny were badly exposed by the runs of Shane Long. Why worry about Lionel Messi, Luis Suarez and Neymar, eh? Flamini and Ramsey had howlers in the middle, losing the midfield battle with little resistance. There seemed no-one out there who could motivate the team as a unit to work harder and compete for physical domination. Too many nice guys, no real leaders.

The team, unchanged for the fourth game running, looked devoid of energy or inspiration, prodding at Southampton when the game was scoreless and then failing to come up with anything in response to the home side’s opener. Arsenal’s appalling and predictable injury crisis means that options to rest bodies on Monday night are fairly limited.

The marking for the third goal deserves special attention. The Ox did nothing to block the run of Fonte, whilst Mertesacker didn’t even seem to get off the floor to compete for the ball that arrived in his area of the zonal marking set up.

This was a defence that had conceded the fewest goals in the league this season, joint with Spurs before yesterday evening’s encounter. You’d have to wonder how.

It was a day for the end of runs. Arsenal had not lost on Boxing Day since 1999, the commentator told us. Southampton had not won in their last five Premier League games, and lost four of them. Such is football. Manchester United lost away to Newcastle 5-0 in the autumn of 1996 and went on to win the title. Stranger things have happened. But as a convincing argument that Arsenal have what it takes to hold off Manchester City (and perhaps a Jose Mourinho motivated Manchester United?), this was an evening to forget.

There is a quote from 1973 from Abba Eban after the Geneva Peace Conference – “The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”. The same might apply to Arsenal.

Let’s see what happens against Bournemouth and Newcastle. Arsenal are still ahead of City and two points behind Leicester. Pretty much where they were ten days ago. In one sense, nothing has changed, although in another, perhaps everything has. That will be seen when Arsenal get the opportunity to demonstrate whether their confidence has been affected by this reverse. Fortunately, their next three outings are at home. Defeats against West Ham, Chelsea and West Brom have been forgotten as the team bounced back. The same for the three bad losses in the cup competitions.

However, there remains a niggling doubt about the ability of the modern day Arsenal to seize the moment, a trait we have seen before in 2008, 2010 and 2014. We’ll know if it’s another case of déjà vu by May. Keep the faith? Some will, whilst some lost it a while ago and the events at St Mary’s will not have come as too great a surprise.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

The new issue of The Gooner went on sale at the game yesterday evening, and can be bought at the home matches v Bournemouth, Newcastle and Sunderland. It includes a free 2016 pullout calendar. The theme, with next year marking the 10th anniversary of the stadium move, is “10 Years at the Grove” and features a notable match from the last decade for every month. The issue can also be bought online here.

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  1. jeff wright

    Dec 30, 2015, 12:19 #81244

    No doubt we will beat the bar codes at home but it's the away games that will decide where we finish in the league - and not home ones such as these .We have a tough run of away ones to play in the second half of the season whereas City have already played their ones away. The points that we have dropped away against struggling sides such as Chelsea and Southampton will come back to haunt us. It's no good beating City at home then losing away to Southampton you don't win league titles doing that.We have failed to make the most of the opportunity provided by City's current inconsistency and this will cost us later on. The fact that Leicester , a side that was fighting relegation last term, are joint top of the league with us shows just how good we really are in what is a very ordinary league.

  2. mbg

    Dec 28, 2015, 21:56 #81178

    Alsace, dunno mate, but it's definitely not a goodie.

  3. Bard

    Dec 28, 2015, 18:06 #81175

    Fj, Ron; the trolling seems more regular now and is clearly an AKB, my take is that its the same guy trolling mbg and all the others. The only regular poster on here with an identity crisis is Jamerson aka Jamie et al.

  4. Ron

    Dec 28, 2015, 17:24 #81173

    FJ - Absolutely mate. Not a problem at all. Your resident troll has made his puerile attempts to imitate you before ive noticed.

  5. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 28, 2015, 17:18 #81172

    Ron, referring to my imposter, I am sure you realise that the real Finsbury Joe ...ie myself might have a go at the team, owner, manager and AKBs, but does not disrespect regulars, let alone claim to be the "Daddy" on here....whatever that actually means

  6. mbg

    Dec 28, 2015, 14:23 #81167

    Ron, yes it's good to see the AKB's back (well one of them anyway) to give us a laugh, don't underestimate Bournemouth, or words to that effect, (like he actually believes it himself) there's nothing like getting the excuse/excuses in early, all that was missing was we'd/i'd take a point before it started, that's showing some faith in their messiah. You really couldn't make it up. I'm going for our nice boys to come away with a 3-0 win having really taught the big bad mighty Bournemouth a lesson.

  7. mbg

    Dec 28, 2015, 13:55 #81164

    TOF is babbling away this morning that this team has tremendous speeritt, (that was obvious Saturday evening and all the others) he's completely gone now it's sad really. The fact he keeps babbling on about it and feels he has to keep telling everybody (those that listen anyway)that they have tells us all we need to know about them (if we didn't already) the truth, that they don't know how to spell it never mind the meaning of it. wenger out.

  8. Exeter Gunner

    Dec 28, 2015, 13:06 #81161

    The legit goal by Soton that was disallowed just before they scored their 2nd seems to have been forgotten amidst the complaints about their goals. The reason Soton won is their manager came up with game plan to counter AFC's strength's and exploit their weaknesses, which their players then executed very well. Not being prepared for this plan, the lack of on field leadership and in game management from the sidelines meant AFC couldn't adapt. This happens with a fair regularity each season so those claiming it was some sort of freak result just make it look like they don't know what they're watching.

  9. Ron

    Dec 28, 2015, 12:55 #81160

    'abnormally obsence' performance. 'More effort than normal'. These comments are so ridiculously laughable, despite the underlying message being that opposing teams arent supposed to turn up to play our dainty boys. More Wenger speak, so often spoken these last 10 years flowing from the indoctrinated silly mouths of his followers. Unbelievable. TJ - I take your point, especially about the all round coaching limitations. I do see Gabriel as an accident waiting to happen though. Hes more suited to defending in slower European football i think by the looks of him. I dont think the hurly burly nature of english football will ever sit well with him and i dont think hes got the intelligence to adapt. Its where the panic in his game is exposed. Gaz - Yes the Wenger following has long reached 'cult' level hasnt it. They would still adore him if we were to fall to Vanerama lge level im sure. To be honest, i think a few of them back him just for their purposes of posting on here. Ive long since thought a a few of these AKB pilgrims are less than genuine in their opinions. For their sakes, i hope this is true, as otherwise they must be as blind and barking as Wenger is! The latter sounds more removed from reality every time he opens his mouth. His sour faced moans and excuses for the trouncing at Saints have dropped him even a few more notches and yet now you see his mantras and diatribes trotted out by his apostles on here. You couldn't make it up.

  10. Peter Hughes

    Dec 28, 2015, 12:27 #81159

    No doubt it was a poor performance. Another team that put in more effort than normal.Interesting to see how they fare today. Goals 2 & 3 should not have stood.Southampton got away with plenty of spoiling tactics that were fouls.Sometimes you get away with it.It did knock us out of our stride.Wally & Campbell should have run riot wide but both went missing. Flamini carrying an injury,it noticed . Disappointing but sometimes you have to take it on the chin. If we were at the top of our game non of the above would have mattered but no one is displaying much consistency.Whoever can string a run of 6 or 7 wins will do it but that looks unlikely from anyone at the moment.

  11. Ron

    Dec 28, 2015, 11:57 #81156

    Yes, draft Linford Christie in then Westie and ask him to make an athletics team out of them seems best! Youre as embittered as Wenger about the hammering at St Marys it seems (hardly surprising) but you dont have to follow his lead and sound as slavishly daft as he does you know. Its not compulsory. Youve just posted more utter tosh. Tell me, does it follow in yr book that every time a decision favours a team very slightly that the other team HAS to concede a goal as a result? Or is that just AKB standard straight bat stuff after each thrashing the team takes? Your ignorance of what Southampton are as a team and as a Club is quite disgraceful by the way. Like ive said, stick to horses seems best for you. Losing matches seems hard for you to take. This is quite ironic in that you often slate anti Wenger views as those espoused by those who cant take losses too well. Its hypocrisy to a level that even Badarse might struggle to reach. Open yr eyes ffs.

  12. TJ

    Dec 28, 2015, 11:45 #81155

    @Ron, I'm normally in full agreement with what you write but I think you're maybe a bit harsh on Gabriel? Most of the matches he's played he has been solid- when he hasn't it's usually because he gets bad protection or just gets dropped in the team without time to settle. I really think the biggest problem is not that we don't have good defenders but that with Wenger's indifference to defence they aren't given enough support from the rest of the team and they aren't really coached/drilled properly as a unit. We could keep on buying amazing centre-backs but it wouldn't change the underlying problems, though maybe you could say that for a few other positions in the squad!

  13. Westlower

    Dec 28, 2015, 11:43 #81154

    Anyone expecting an easy home win to Bournemouth had better think it out again. Unbeaten in last 6, they won 73 individual duels - the most achieved in the PL on Saturday. If Arsenal don't roll up their sleeves they'll come unstuck again. For sure, Bournemouth's right back won't score a wonder goal with his only shot of the season & probably won't get all the big decisions go in their favour. I think the best Arsenal can hope for is a single goal victory. Southampton will do well to get a result at Upton Park, as they must be knackered after putting in an abnormally obscene effort on Saturday. Wanyama must have been playing for a transfer out of Southampton. Back to normal effort today I suspect at the Boleyn. Should we continue to throw points away, the team most likely to capitalise are our neighbour's from the Lane. They have shortened up to 12/1 to win the PL. Don't laugh, as it could happen in this upside down season. @Hiccup, Keep up, we'll have the fastest back 4 when Gabriel replaces BFG, with Bellerin & Gabriel, fastest & 3rd fastest sprinters over 40 yards in the team + Kos & Monreal are no slouches. We can then press higher upfield when BFG is replaced.

  14. Gaz

    Dec 28, 2015, 11:25 #81153

    Spot on as usual Ron except for one thing. Wenger's supporters are now so entrenched in their support for him that they'll never open their eyes to his limitations and will continue to back him whatever happens...

  15. Ron

    Dec 28, 2015, 11:09 #81152

    Bad as the Merter is, this Gabriel really is Senderos revisited with a touch of Djourou thrown in for good measure. Even Wenger seems to have realized this and he generally takes 3 years to man up and recognize hes bought another no hope, dead beat CB. The harsh reality as i see it, is that in a season where winning the title for the first time for many years actually avails even this moderate Arsenal team, the best longer term outcome is for it all to go belly up in Jan/Feb as is the normal sequence of things. Only then will the realization occur within the corridors of power at the Club that enormous changes both at Coach and playing staff levels are needed to shake the Club from its present torpor. It might even shake the blinkered fans who remain stoically loyal to the present regime to make even them open their eyes and stop being so frightened of change. It remains of course that while losing the title can occur as normal for the Club, falling from the top 4 in this oddest of seasons seems barely possible which in itself will likely mean 'same again Sam' for next season. I honestly think Arsenal will have to do a Liverpool before we see change there. The sooner the better for me that the tenuous top 4 link is broken and thus Wengers safety net can then collapse and expose him to the full glare of reality. This May 2017 date on his contract means nothing. If hes not exposed before then, it ll be renewed in the time it takes to blink for at least a couple of years as sure as night follows day.

  16. Hi Berry

    Dec 28, 2015, 9:35 #81151

    If this team had any serious pretensions of lifting the Premier League title they should be sitting on top of the league a minimum of two points clear of Leicester and five points clear of City following the recent run of games. Had they beaten Norwich and West Brom (having taken the lead in both games) and drawn at Southampton - not beyond the realms of fantasy in my book - that gap would be four and seven points respectively. Frustratingly predictable.

  17. Smithy

    Dec 28, 2015, 9:27 #81150

    Reading on here- is flamini injured? If so it would need to be chambers or the young lad beilick( sorry about spelling) in the DM position- we are past the bones! Mismanagement in the summer is sparklingly obvious.

  18. Bard

    Dec 28, 2015, 8:47 #81149

    ArseneKnewbest; very funny mate. We really have our backs against the wall now that Jack is out for another stretch and so is the Flamster. Still you have to put it behind you, take the rough with the smooth and take each game as it comes. We can only control what we can control we cant control the uncontrollable. Moreoever and furthermore he really needs look deep into eyes for evidence that we are up for it.Those with contact lenses have to take them out so no faking it.

  19. Peter R

    Dec 28, 2015, 8:13 #81148

    Well written account of what was a miserable night for us, but yet I had seen this coming, after the below average to awful performances in our last 4 away games. And every season we have two or more games like this. ! Why Arsenal play a high line with Mertesacker in the team is beyond comprehension; he is Ok, when we set up defensively and play on the break, but so easily exposed to the ball over the top, or wide and long. Surely Gabriel is a better option that allows us more versitility, he is quick and strong, and despite a poor performance against Bayern away ( but who played well ) Wenger seems to have lost confidence in him. Chambers is not up to the task, he is also devoid of pace. Reality is even in a below par Prem, where anyone can beat anyone, we will alas still fall short come May, and as everyone has stated, this year will be our best chance to win the Prem, all the big teams will invest heavily in established quality, whilst we will again look for some unknown, who may or may turn out to be a good buy, but will be a big risk in terms of quality but a lesser risk in terms of investment !!

  20. Hghbury Boy

    Dec 28, 2015, 0:28 #81146

    Firstly there is no need for Debuchy to leave or Arteta to hang up his boots as there are @ available spaces for foreign players in the squad. Secondly it's a nonsense for Shearer to come out by saying we are doing ok as we are 6 points better off than this time last year as we have the SAME points in the corresponding matches and still have to play ALL the top teams bar Leicester away. We are on course for our usual Top 4 finish. If he doesn't buy in January its because as usual he is satisfied along with the owner with Top 4.

  21. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 22:39 #81145

    Roy, i'm sure TOF's little dwarfs will teach Bournemouth a lesson tomorrow night (how very brave of them)although I still wouldn't bet on it, and tell us all they've learned their lesson (for the thousandth, plus time, only for the inevitable again) and the AKB's will have crawled out from under their rocks again having run out of turkey sandwiches and French beer at central command, giving it loud and believing everything is alright yet again (more fools them) but they have been unable to wind us up for years now mate, (no matter how some try)in fact it's the other way round, because they know fans like us are right and have been for years, in fact the only thing they do to us with their waffle trying to protect and make their messiah look good is give us a damm good laugh so it will be good to have them back.

  22. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 27, 2015, 22:07 #81144

    Yet again, Arsenal expose their players, manager and many fans as a laughing stock.....with a standard pathetic performance. No leaders, no plan B, out played and out coached by a selling club Wenger needs to be very wary of who is coming up swiftly behind his flops

  23. jjetplane

    Dec 27, 2015, 20:38 #81143

    Lost on why people think it was a dead cert for Webster's bearded Wombles to be top of the present pile. Leicester still are and it could be a pick from several teams with Arsenal being one of the pack who could be sitting come the eventual day 'the circus packs up and leaves' ..... Reckon Kloppie and Poch will be up there and Arsene's 'brave' boys will have to except they are presently as good as Stoke et al. Anyone heard from Dr Perry as we are still awaiting our post Xmas prescriptions. Fellow Gooners - nice one ..... Hope you had a nice day out Colsey. Day at the zoo was it?

  24. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 27, 2015, 19:26 #81142

    Been out all day and have just read the above posts. Arsethinksheknowsbest has a thing about turds and faeces, mug uiresbridge is his normal tof self. We got beaten by a team we haven't beaten at their place since 2003 I think and due a win after five games without one, so no surprise in this season of constant surprises. The games in February at Liverpool Stoke and home to Chelsea will be time to consider any title aspirations. Signing of new players is dependent on releasing some or any from the 25 man squad, unless he is under 21. Maybe Debuchy's absence is a sign, and maybe it is time to hang up Arteta's boots so he can do his coaching badges and release a couple of spots in the squad.

  25. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 27, 2015, 17:58 #81141

    mgb - he'll be interrogating his magic cliche machine for hints and tips - "...at the end of the day, football's football and you have to take the rough with the smooth. Arsenal are in a period of transition, and it's a dog-eat-dog league. It's only a question of time before we come good again. It's a marathon, not a sprint and Rome wasn't built in day." There Graham, I've saved you the effort of writing and posting circular no. 666. Don't know about you, but time for some new faces to replace the old faeces tomorrow. Jeff R-A for Feo and Gabriel for BFG would be a good start - but OGL ain't for turning is he?

  26. DW Thomas

    Dec 27, 2015, 17:51 #81140

    Wenger is way past it. The team reflects their leader. Weak in tough situations, league lead too much to ask when it's on a silver platter! Groundhog season after season. Injuries, bad tactics, poor performances when wins would bring some glory. Brittle mentality starts at the top. But what do you expect when money is top priority and winning isn't. We will not strengthen and fall away again. Sad because Spurs is now being discussed as top 4 or title contenders. And where is Wilshere, Welbeck, et al? Rosicky? Did they fall into a black hole? Astounding how this injury plague continues with no end in sight. What about getting Pep? Would some new, fresh ideas enliven this team? How do we beat City one day and then turn around and lose to 4-0 to a mid table team the next game? Incredible in only negative ways. Feel like a grinch when it comes to this club these days. The blame always lies at the leaders feet. Yet, when that leader is existing in a false bubble, nothing changes. Bah humbug!

  27. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 17:47 #81139

    Bard, cracking post, post of the day, dear old Graham is still stuck on a roundabout outside Southampton circling away, looking into the eyes of the other drivers hoping they'll give way and let him off.

  28. Hiccup

    Dec 27, 2015, 17:37 #81137

    I'm refusing to get drawn in to the usual over the top knee jerk reactions on here. Saints were due a win, we were due a loss. Anyone could see a home win was on the cards. I read on here the other day that we have the fastest defence in the league, which at times was evident yesterday. Throw in the calendar year title and that's a nice double that'll keep me happy. Why no one else on here can't be content with that beggars belief!

  29. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 17:26 #81136

    ArseneKnewBest, Gooner88, that's what it stands for alright, (and appropriate too) but I can only take the credit for shortening it to TOF from the old fraud, as some one else came up with it a long time ago (can't remember who it was now), reckoning that's what he's always been from the day he arrived relying on others like Dein to help him look good with his contacts, and players he inherited, then getting lucky with the French market as he happened to be French and no one else had tapped into it yet signing players who HAD it in them instead of the duds he signed since. And then when all these proper players retired, dried up, and he was left to his own devices thinking he was God and having to coach and work things out for himself was, and has been, found out big time as has been seen and witnessed since. wenger out.

  30. Alsace

    Dec 27, 2015, 17:17 #81135

    There was a point yesterday when i seriously began to wonder whether money had changed hands for our team to throw the game. Since that isn't really possible one can only conclude that either they didn't fancy Boxing Day at work or that they couldn't be bothered or that they had not a clue what to do about what was happening to them. Southampton pressed but they were not unduly dirty. Suffice it to say that once again we are not looking at the Champions of England. Just another bunch of bottlers from the specialist school of failure. I was really looking forward to tomorrow as well.

  31. Augustus Flair

    Dec 27, 2015, 16:39 #81134

    jj jetplane's mention of the spuds should remind us to join hands in applause for our celebrated neighbours' convincing win over an out-of-sorts team yesterday. Hah, that Harry Kane, eh? Olivier would have him for breakfast with hot croissants, non? And that Tom Carroll - you what? One lucky laser-guided shot into the net, huh? And that absurd Pochettino bloke..? Er, yeah, well...

  32. Bard

    Dec 27, 2015, 16:38 #81133

    To borrow a phrase from dear old Graham, incidentally where is circular 301, what did Wenger see when he looked into their eyes before the game ? Did he see evidence of total capitulation or fight to the death spirit ? Or maybe the real problem was the away dressing room was fogged up ( a deliberate tactic from Soton) and he couldnt see anything. He heard Wally spouting off that he felt this was our season and then went out and played like a plonker. Jamerson mate have they let you out now or is it only for Christmas ?

  33. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 27, 2015, 16:36 #81132

    CB and Gooner 88 - TOF = the old fraud, or at least I think it does. It's mgb's perfectly accurate description for OGL (our great leader - meant sarcastically of course and with a nod to Kim Il-Sung). They all seem to do the trick, esp at times like this. That's enough TLAs (three letter abbreviations) for now. TTFN.

  34. jjetplane

    Dec 27, 2015, 16:15 #81131

    The Cherries just beat Chelski and Man U and got a good draw with Palace so no shame if a tired Arsenal squad who are numero uno VICTIMS of corrupt officials lose again. With Mr Webster the old fuddy-duddy (TOF) on this one. Does anyone know if Wally sings as dood as he spins? Last thought - this GD thing and the Spuds currently ..... I'm off! ..... down the leafy lane lol!

  35. Roy

    Dec 27, 2015, 15:50 #81130

    I have a tip for all us realists on here. If we give Bournemouth a pasting tomorrow, just read the match report and post anything you think you need to but don't read the rest of the thread from the resurfacing AKB's - it'll only wind you up. Then resume hostilities after the following game - simple ! Here's to a happy and stress - free new year.

  36. CB

    Dec 27, 2015, 15:49 #81129

    TOF = The Omnipotent Father or it could mean the old fart

  37. Gooner 88

    Dec 27, 2015, 15:40 #81128

    Funny how all the AKBs are conspicuous by their absence. Still in lockdown at AKB Central Command I guess. No doubt they'll be back on here again after the next win. BTW whilst we should win the next two home games I guarantee no one outside Westlower would put money on it. Most of us posting today and after the fiasco last night are firmly AMG. Such a shame their are still plenty of disciples to back the deluded, over the hill, past it old has been. MBG and others of the same ilk we should meet for a pint to discuss the above. AKBS are welcome to join us to tell us why they are right. By the way can someone please tell me what TOF stands for. It's been driving me nuts for months. WENGER OUT

  38. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 15:03 #81127

    Bard, they're all still on lock down at central command trying to explain where it went wrong while eating the turkey left overs, but one was sent over earlier to start the blame game (without success)and try and tell us if the little fairies get their hands and manicured nails dirty with a win against the mighty Bournemouth tomorrow everything will be alright again. You really couldn't make it up.

  39. Peter Wain

    Dec 27, 2015, 15:02 #81126

    A pitful performance if you cam call it that. We urgrntly need new players but are unlikley to get them. I can see defeat on MOnday and Sunderland beating us in the cup. Need a wholesale change at the top.

  40. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 14:49 #81125

    CB, doctor beats, good one, there\'s not one of them who would have been fit to clean the dirt of his boots, including wenger. wenger out

  41. Surrender

    Dec 27, 2015, 14:41 #81124

    I need to ask you all - why does this keep happening ? every 10 games or so come what may we will get for certain a real thumping. not a defeat but a real thumping. what is the problem ? you guys tell me I am all ears. I genuinely think it must come back to your manager and how he has prepared you

  42. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 14:28 #81122

    The papers back pages full of LVG today when it should be this old past it manager of ours getting it up em, who said the press are just as hard on him ? at least some of them are giving it to him and his flops inside. wenger out now.

  43. Bard

    Dec 27, 2015, 13:44 #81121

    Good report Kev. You are dead right. Others will use Koemens tactics to good effect against us Wanyama was a monster in the middle of the park. The long ball caused havoc because Per is so slow. Yes some of the goals were the result of poor refereeing but Soton had a ton of chances. We looked completely impotent. Nothing about yesterday should have come as a surprise. The really interesting question is what happens now. We have too many serious injuries to expect this current squad to prevail so does he buy and have a go or not and settle for a top 4. The situation is compounded by every man and his dog knowing we need reinforcements and the truth is Wenger would rather surrender a pop at the title than hand over a few million more in fees for players. My bet is maybe one youngster in and a loan deal at best. Despite the euphoria of some on here its clutching at straws, the painful truth is that the club are more interested in the bank balance than they are in competing for trophies. This window will be repeat of so many others. We will be told we are trying hard to get super quality but there is no one available followed by statement that we have enough in the squad. Depressing. Incidentally are all the AKBs on holiday ?

  44. CB

    Dec 27, 2015, 13:27 #81120

    SKG, I doubt before he died any of these players knew about Don Howe, and when they were told half of them probably had their Doctor Beats covering their lug holes and the other half were taking selfies and it went in oner ear and out the other.

  45. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 13:17 #81119

    There you go then a win against the mighty Bournemouth tomorrow with the little nice boys getting their hands dirty and it will be alright again. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  46. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 13:06 #81118

    Wally the mouth piece wasn't as quick to run to the TV cameras to tell us about this one, and did you see TOF Stutter through the post match it didn't take him long to blame others. wenger out now.

  47. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 12:49 #81117

    Well we all knew it was coming, (well some of us anyway) it was inevitable, some thought, and probably still do, that we turned a corner (more fools them)there's no corner been turned and never will be under TOF unless it's from one embarrassment to another. Yes here we are again a team and especially a manager not fit for purpose brought back down to earth (along with his fans) with a sore arse with another embarrassment, getting above their station again and thinking they just had to turn up, champions ? your having a laugh, they don't deserve it. The Turkey out.

  48. jjetplane

    Dec 27, 2015, 12:33 #81116

    Pub landlord Ronnie calls time on the shandy boys. Read all about it! Don't worry WESTIE the Cherries will be picked and Cech will be back on the drums. Going back to the drum performance and also the keyboard contribution from Sanchez you can see this is a squad full of bizarre entitlement and little passion. Koeman will be a great coach and Wanyama is the best pub player in the country. Good report Kev and the Modern can be taken as modernity with all the cracks showing. Webster rightly does not need any more players because he has no ambition above finished for Stan's pocket money and other sundries. There is no point buying players in January because there is no model to fit into. Webster calls it Expression because he does not even understand football lingo or how to process it on the field. That GD at the top is looking ominous for That team wot no one likes. Over to you WESTiE and who was that other bloke voraciously attempting to boss this forum before 'Webster's day out with poodles on the south coast.' Ummmmm Breathe that sea air - 'oh **** - they'd scored again ........

  49. Nick

    Dec 27, 2015, 12:20 #81114

    Ive said before that titles aren't won by beating your main rivals , ( though I doesn't hurt to do so) last nights game goes some way to proving me right, lets look at the facts, had we taken all six points from the WBA, and Norwich games and won at St Marys last night wed have a total of 44 points right now, six clear of Leicester at the top of the pile nine in front of manure blue, its these games when the pressure is on and the opportunity is there to really kick on and take your own destiny by the scruff of the neck that decides title races, our ability to cock up whenever these situations arise is not only mystifying but indicative of Arsenal teams under Wenger excepting the squad of 2001/2002 even the invincible team cocked up when we had our best ever chance to equal manure reds treble, Wenger himself had said before last night that we must treat EVERY team as if they were man city, obviously our players didn't hear him say that, yes there were three bad decisions leading to three of the saints goals but as has been said we were culpable in all three as well the fourth was almost irrelevant , to the outcome at any rate, no doubt before our next match we will hear these players talk about how lessons must be learned, a title winning team must be graduates not still bloody students! I have no doubt that we will bounce back and probably give plucky Bournemouth a pasting but my worry is what will happen the next time we go away to the likes of Stoke or even Sunderland, these " accidents" that Wenger like's to call humiliations happen all too often and the one constant in all this is the man himself, students take their inspiration from their tutor after all .

  50. mbg

    Dec 27, 2015, 12:09 #81113

    Dads Army never did Kev, the only thing they're good at taking (and always were) under this old fraud of a manager was a good beating, embarrassing, Go now you old Turkey, wenger out.

  51. Jumpers for goalposts

    Dec 27, 2015, 12:07 #81112

    Nothing will change until Wenger and Kroenke have gone. Eleven seasons of false hope followed by pathetic performances whenever the pressure starts to build.

  52. Ron

    Dec 27, 2015, 11:59 #81111

    wear your colours - what pray tell does it take for you to recognize when 'a rule' has become a rule?

  53. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 27, 2015, 11:42 #81110

    As soon as Colesky-lover has worked out which end of a can of mr sheen is which, he'll be on here polishing Monsieur Wenger's turds.. Being bossed around physically and technically by the scummers is not the sign of a championship winning team. Call me a pessimist - and I'm sure Colesy and his merry men will (and tell me to eff-orf over to the lane etc.) but there will be no trophies this year unless we get reinforcements in January. Pisspoor.

  54. John F

    Dec 27, 2015, 11:25 #81109

    Well it is pantomime season and yesterday it was Arsenal and the seven dwarfs.Sneezy Giroud looked like he would fall over every time he sneezed,sleepy kos played like he was on the baileys,happy Wally with his fixed smile,doc Flamini who played like he had a stethoscope stuck up his backside,Bashful Ozil who appeared to shy away from the ball,Dopey BFg who at one point looked like he was running through treacle and finally grumpy Wenger who appeared to do nothing but moan.what happened at half time when i expected the team to come out firing after his wise words but played even worse.Truely dreadful performance let's hope it was only on a one night run.

  55. Sven Kings Gooner

    Dec 27, 2015, 11:18 #81108

    Still Per has added Shane Long's shirt to his collection (least he had the decency to ask for Mr Long's shirt in the tunnel so as not to upset the travelling Gooners) I have long gone past the argument about our manager, how anyone could allow a group of players to continually turn in game like this is beyond me. Winning trophies is not an issue with me, however trying is, these no show performances come round when there is the slightest pressure to perform. It must be great being a supporter of any team that works hard during a game, that effort is what I like about the Championship and the more traditional approaches to the game. The saddest thing for me though, is that no one in the dressing room stood up before the game and said "come on lads this one is for Don" what a terrible way to mark our former great coach's passing -shameful.

  56. GoonerRon

    Dec 27, 2015, 11:13 #81107

    I'm not being wise after the event but I had a bad feeling about this game beforehand. I just felt the inability to freshen things up coupled with teams on a bad run having a habit of ending them against us meant we'd struggle. That doesn't excuse the paucity of our performance which was aided and abetted by a crap ref. Fortunately we're still in a good position and have orher fixtures coming thick and fast. We could really do with an early signing to boost the troops and fans.

  57. Kenny

    Dec 27, 2015, 11:12 #81106

    Another gutless performance we have seen so many times under Wenger.Turn up hoping the opposition will lay down and give us the 3 points gift-wrapped.The weaknesses were there for all to see at CB Mertersacker the captain was like an 80 year old man while the positional sense of Koscielny was non-existent.Long was made to look like Suarez.We were overan in midfield with the excellent Wanyama bullying our pretty boys and Giroud well he was Giroud.We were terrible in the first half even worse in the 2nd what does Wenger say to them at half-time? When the pressure is on Arsenal teams in the last decade when we have had chances to win the title they have collapsed.Expect the same this year

  58. Wear Your Colours

    Dec 27, 2015, 10:54 #81105

    It was an extremely disappointing performance. They closed us down quickly all over the pitch and we couldn't find our usual passing rhythm to get around them (the type of game we really miss Cazorla in); we looked very vulnerable to the ball straight down the centre with both Per and Kos a little too panicky. The only player who I thought was anywhere near his normal level was Monreal. Let’s hope we get back to winning ways against Bournemouth tomorrow night and that the game last night proves to be an anomaly and not the rule. COYG!

  59. Kim Kalstrom moments

    Dec 27, 2015, 10:33 #81104

    and so it happened again. its happened so many times. it will continue to happen. Wenger does not have any focus or ruthless streak. his press conference Thursday about possession who cares ?? his arrogance is the problem. if he would just shut up and get focused on what the fans and players want - to win trophies !!

  60. Ron

    Dec 27, 2015, 10:18 #81103

    Oh dearie dearie me Westie, your usual s--t about tiredness is one thing, but to deem Saints a 'pub team'is pathetic even by yr standards. You really should stick to those silly horses and dog races. Football really isnt yr game. Some of the rubbish you toss out as considered opinion become more bizarre every time that you post.

  61. Gaz

    Dec 27, 2015, 10:14 #81102

    Pathetic all-round performance by all involved. Four times we've had the chance to Druze the initiative and go top and each time we've blown it. Wenger always talks about our 'great mental strength' but the fear is when the pressure really starts to tell we just can't cope. Certainly the fact Wenger has to keep telling us about it tells its own story. A day to forget...yet again...

  62. Moscow Gooner

    Dec 27, 2015, 10:03 #81101

    KC - absolutely right: this is not a great team. The 70/71 side were not a great team either but went on to win the Double: 0-5 at Stoke was their wake up call. The next two games will be critical. 1-0s versus Bournemouth and Newcastle will do me. We know that on their day the team can beat anyone in a mediocre league. The key to the title is a shift in mindset. The Don Howe approach: knowing that you go to places like Stoke and Everton to secure a 0-0 draw or sneak a 1-0 win. AW will never preach this philosophy so it is down to the players to do it themselves - as they did at the Etihad last season. The league is still very much up for grabs.

  63. Rob

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:56 #81100

    We need two players to fit into the first team set up straight away in January. If Wenger doesn't get them, then my final drop of patience and belief will go.

  64. KC

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:34 #81099

    It's always there, the ability to look like a pub team. Season in season out there are games when the team embarrass the supporters and themselves. The major issue here is attitude this team went on the pitch with a shocking attitude obviously believed the hype of Monday, they think they are better than they are. The simple truth is that this is not a great team and if their work ethic drops they can be beaten by anyone. 1 point from WBA, Norwich and Southampton says it all. Wenger has money and yet we have mid table premiership players in key positions and these constant results against ordinary opponents prove it.

  65. Daryn

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:33 #81098

    You buy your kids football kits for Xmas sit them in front of the TVs for 90 mins and try to explain how a team who can't win for five games only scored once can batter a so called title winning team they were an embarrassiment that performance was up there with the manc hammering

  66. Mikeymike2711

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:24 #81097

    The worry is this lot need to go to Anfield, The Lane, OT & the Ethiad in the second half of the season. You'd be mad to want to take the 9/5 on us.

  67. au revoir wenger

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:16 #81096

    Wenger said before he game we should not worry about southamptons strengths but concentrate on our own game.A managers job is to is to nullify the opponents strengths and exploit their weakness.This is something Wenger never does because he simply does not understand the tactical side of the game.That is why you have never seen him at a game watching upcoming opponents.So to all you posters on here who support this fraud,WISE UP

  68. Torbay gooner

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:15 #81095

    No-one emerges with much credit from that non performance. I missed the first few seconds, but it took ten minutes before I realised Walcott was playing, such was his contribution! As I have said before we either do some good business in the window and remain competitive up until the end, or finish 8-12 points behind the winners as per usual, with the 'challenge' petering out in Feb/March.

  69. Westlower

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:10 #81094

    When the reserve right back comes in and scores a wonder goal you know it's gonna be one of those games. He's previously scored 3 goals in Holland since 2008. Jobsworth Shane Long was made to look World class by BFG. Time to give Gabriel his chance and get some pace & aggression into the back 4. As Kevin stated, the 2nd & 3rd goals were handed on a plate to Southampton by the inept officials. Wally was guilty of giving the ball away at the start of the move, compounded by Long tripping Kos. For the 3rd goal you'd have thought Kos shepherding the ball out of play for a goal kick would have given the hapless officials a clue? Monreal, our best player, should have scored shortly before Martina did. Go 1-0 up and it's a different game. Giroud & Wally had free headers way off target but Campbell & Wally provided no service at all for Giroud but Wally should have redeemed himself by a great dribble into the box before finishing weakly. Had he played a square pass across the 6 yard line their were 2 team mates waiting to tap it in. All in all we looked a jaded team being outfought by a pub team. We need to get our hands dirty v Bournemouth tomorrow.

  70. QuartzGooner

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:08 #81093

    Outmuscled, outpaced, outfought. The whole team ran around, but looked devoid of sharpness, the ability to get to the ball first. Walcott had one good run but the final ball lacked, then a header wide. But that was more than others managed. Barely noticed Giroud, Campbell received little service. Ozil should have been rested having played earlier in the week whilst ill, but we do not have the luxury of dropping him whilst so many are injured. Flamini gave the ball away. Monreal gets batter at going forward, but I worry at times he does not get back quick enough. Overall there was a lack of concentration, I put it down to tiredness. The team MUST realise that every game this season is a Cup Final, that all teams are competing, that none have given up at this stage of the season. Even if tired, we must find a way to park the bus at times, to nullify the opposition, and eke out a 1-0. Those sort of tough away games are what successful title challenges are made of, every bit as much as the high profile home wins.

  71. Snowbiggee

    Dec 27, 2015, 9:00 #81092

    Kev you're so right to point out the midfield two. Left the defence totally exposed and their passing was slow and sideways. With many tough away games coming up we need an upgrade in January, if we are not going to be embarrassed again.

  72. Smithy

    Dec 27, 2015, 8:50 #81091

    Centre back , central defensive midfielder, and strong pacey forward needed in January. The deficient spine again. Old ebeneezer will not spend on any proven quality, he will tell the ghost of George graham and the ghosts of past , present and future that " there is no value in the January market , he doesn't want to kill squad players he will loan out to 2nd division oblivion or Dick law is working feverishly in the background to finish his dot to dot drawing. It's the same old story that we have read at Christmas many years before and many years to come! We need David dean back to make this man accountable.

  73. Augustus Flair

    Dec 27, 2015, 8:28 #81090

    Herr Mertesacker's time has come and after that shambles he should not be allowed anywhere near the Emirates again. Yes, you can argue the Saints' first was a "freak long-range" effort (brilliant to watch though) but whose feeble header set it up? It wouldn't be so bad if the Teutonic twit had the decency to look genuinely pained at his increasingly common mistakes but that token grimace - probably coached - is getting on my wick. Final question: what is the point of Theo Walcott?

  74. Tony Evans

    Dec 27, 2015, 8:15 #81089

    Trust that everyone's feet are firmly back on the ground after that! You can always trust this team to deliver a reality check before too long.