#ThrowbackThursday - Liverpool Away: Part One

Part one of a look back at Arsenal’s visits to Anfield over the years



#ThrowbackThursday - Liverpool Away: Part One

George Graham with Bob Shankly


Arsenal’s first visit to Anfield came in late October 1893 against Liverpool (though Everton originally played their home games at Anfield, Arsenal never played the Toffees away until 1905 which was after they’d moved to Goodison Park). During Liverpool’s ‘invincible’ season in the old second division in 1893/94, the Reds inflicted a 0-2 defeat on Arsenal. The Gunners weren’t able to pick up their first point at Anfield until October 1908, when Woolwich Arsenal played out a 2-2 draw at Anfield. Arsenal’s first ever win at Anfield actually came as late as September 1919 when the Gunners pulled off a 3-2 win over Liverpool, with goals from Billy Blyth and two for Henry White.

Even as late as Herbert Chapman’s introduction to Highbury, this remained Arsenal’s only victory at Anfield. After a 2-0 win at Anfield on December 27th 1927, Arsenal’s record improved somewhat, where between that date and the outbreak of the second world war Liverpool won four games to Arsenal’s seven. During the inter-war period, the red half of Merseyside played second fiddle to the blue half, however the Merseyside Derby was still such an attraction that the Pathe News footage of a game in 1927 describes that: ‘Thousands packed to suffocation see Liverpool and Everton tie 1 goal each’.

One of the stars of Anfield during the inter-war years had been Matt Busby who joined Liverpool in 1936. After the Second World War, he was offered a coaching role at Anfield, however turned it down to head to Old Trafford to take up the vacant managerial role with Man United in 1946. After Busby left Anfield, Liverpool won the first post-war League Championship in 1946/47 and were in the running for a first League and FA Cup double of the twentieth century before losing a Semi-Final replay to Burnley. The following season however, the title headed to North London. On route to the title, Arsenal defeated Liverpool at Anfield 3-1 on Christmas Day with goals from Don Roper and two from Ronnie Rooke.

Arsenal’s good form at Anfield continued, during the late forties and early fifties Arsenal won on five occasions to Liverpool’s two with notable wins such as a 5-1 victory for the Gunners in Mid-November 1952 with two goals from Ben Marden and a hat-trick from Cliff Holton. Liverpool reached the FA Cup final in 1950 against Arsenal, both squads introduced in a British Movietone piece ahead of the Final, which Arsenal won 2-0. Within a year, Liverpool were top dog on Merseyside as Everton had dropped into the second tier, however by the time of their return in 1954 it was the red half of Merseyside that had dropped out of the top flight of English football and would remain there for the rest of the decade.

Arsenal’s last visit to Anfield before their drop came in November 1953, with a 2-1 win for Arsenal secure by goals from Doug Lishman and Jimmy Logie. The only Merseyside derby played between the two sides between 1951 and 1962 came in the FA Cup fourth round in January 1955, where second tier Liverpool hammered their top flight neighbours away from home in a 4-0 win for the red half of Merseyside. The fifties were not a particularly victorious time on Merseyside in terms of Football, which kind of makes it unsurprising that such lack of glory during the Beatles’ formative led all four them to generally spurn Football (although Lennon, as seen here, seemed to have more enthusiasm for American football after relocating there in the 1970s. His death also first announced to the world during a Monday Night Football game).

The rise in prominence of the Beatles and the Mersey sound however also coincided with the rise to prominence of both Mersey clubs. Arsenal’s first game back at Anfield after a nine year absence came in November 1962, in which Liverpool inflicted a 1-2 defeat on the Gunners courtesy of goals from Ronnie Moran and Roger Hunt, with Arsenal’s goal coming from Geoff Strong. It took Liverpool just two seasons to capture the League title on returning to the top flight and were crowned champions after inflicting a 0-5 defeat on Arsenal at Anfield, with goals from Ian St. John, Alf Arrowsmith, Roger Hunt and two goals for Peter Thompson.

Ironically, their first game as reigning champions at ‘Beatleville’ was also against Arsenal on what would be the first of a new weekly highlights show called ‘Match of the Day’. Ever since the failed experiment of live football early on in 1960/61, Football had resisted the overtures of television, however since the introduction of the Telstar trans-Atlantic satellite the upcoming 1966 World Cup in England would be the very first to be televised live throughout the world, meaning that the television companies were required to train up their production staff for televised football. This meant therefore that the Football League and Football Association agreed for a regular highlights programme on the BBC’s new second channel. The audience for which however would be restricted to the London area (the London centric approach shown from the results which Kenneth Wolstenholme reads out at the end) and only on televisions with a 625 line UHF system (most of the television sets in the country at the time were on 405 lines).

As it turned out, the television audience for that first Match of the Day would be around 20,000 less than those who turned out for the match. In the event, Liverpool took a two goal lead with goals from Roger Hunt and Gordon Wallace. Arsenal however pulled it back to two each with well-taken goals from Geoff Strong and Joe Baker and from what was shown in the MOTD highlights could have even won the game. Other notable events in this game also include the game being held up by black cat invading the pitch, however it brought no luck for Arsenal as Liverpool made it a 2-3 defeat with a goal three minutes from time from Gordon Wallace with a twenty yard shot past Jim Furnell in the Arsenal goal.

Arsenal goal scorer Geoff Strong would go on to join Liverpool three months later. The 1964/65 season would also mark Liverpool’s first venture in the European Champions Cup. On losing a two goal lead and drawing their Quarter Final tie with German side 1FC Koln 2-2, Liverpool avoided penalty shoot-out heartache on account of winning the toss of a coin (and to think some people think penalty shoot-outs are a lottery!). After winning the FA Cup that season, three days later Liverpool met reigning the European Cup holders Inter Milan in the Semi-Final and lining up for Inter in both legs was a player signed from Barcelona called Luis Suarez (obviously not that one!).

The Reds beat Inter Milan 3-1 at Anfield (and in the un-PC days of the 1960s, the Anfield crowd sing ‘Go Back to Italy’ @07.42, which led the press in Milan to dub the Liverpool crowd as ‘animals’). However, in the second leg Liverpool would go on to lose 0-3 in a highly contentious second leg, particularly Inter’s second where the ball was kicked out of goalkeeper Tommy Lawrence’s hands and a disallowed goal from Ian St. John. Liverpool went on to win the title again in 1965/66 with a 2-1 defeat of Chelsea at Anfield. Liverpool would also progress in Europe that season, defeating Celtic 2-0 in the second leg of the Semi-Final of the European Cup Winners Cup and going on to face Borussia Dortmund in the Final, just five days on from winning the title.

The 1966 European Cup Winners Cup final however – as a comparatively rare televised event - was a game which had indirectly aided Arsenal’s worst ever attendance at Highbury for a senior fixture as only 4,554 turned out for a League fixture against Leeds Utd. that same evening. The weather conditions were cold and wet and the game itself had no significant bearing on either team's fortunes – Leeds having already conceded the title to Liverpool the previous Saturday, while Arsenal endured their lowest league position for thirty six years, having not won at home since December. Unsurprisingly, many stayed at home to watch the Cup Winners Cup final rather than traipse up to Highbury. In the event, Liverpool went on to lose 1-2. The 1965/66 season would also be the last time Liverpool would win a trophy for the next seven seasons.

Liverpool’s challenge for the European Cup in 1966/67 ended with a 1-5 thrashing to Ajax. Liverpool also exited the FA Cup after a 0-1 defeat to Everton in a tie which was captured by CCTV and relayed back to Anfield for those who were unable to obtain a ticket at Goodison Park by ABC TV (who were then ITV’s Northern Weekend franchise holder and sister company of the ABC cinema chain). The aggregate audience on either side of Liverpool’s Stanley Park had been 105,000, then a record viewing audience for a Cup tie outside of the FA Cup Final. Famously, last year a reporter for BBC North West Tonight Vox Popped people in Liverpool City Centre about whether they were present at either Goodison or Anfield, including – unknowingly - former Liverpool goalkeeper Tommy Lawrence, who informed the reporter that he was actually playing in the tie.

In 1967/68 Liverpool would finish the season third in the League and three points off of eventually Champions Man City, though would pull off a 2-1 win away against that year’s European Champions Man United. George Best gave Man United the lead, however goals from Chris Lawler and Roger Hunt would give Liverpool the points, as well as a 2-1 win at Elland Road against Leeds Utd in May, with Ron Yeats knocked out cold by a Peter Lorimer shot and Bob Paisley booked for arguing with the ref. Liverpool would go one place better and finish as runners up the following season, albeit six points behind Champions Leeds Utd. That season Liverpool, appearing on Match of the Day would beat Wolves 1-0 with World Cup winner Roger Hunt scoring his 300th goal of his career.

Liverpool finished fifth in the League in 1969/70, but would appear in the first ever colour edition of Match of the Day beating West Ham 2-0. Two weeks later, Arsenal won at Anfield for the first time in sixteen years with a 1-0 victory secured with a goal from Jimmy Robertson. On route to the Double in 1970/71, Arsenal visited Anfield at the end of January 1971. Liverpool inflicted a 0-2 defeat on the Gunners with a goal from John Toshack and a penalty from Tommy Smith. For Arsenal this was a second defeat on the bounce which put Leeds Utd. five points clear after a 2-0 away win at Manchester City. Arsenal however pulled back the deficit and sealed the Double the following May with a 2-1 win over Liverpool. This ITN single angle camera footage of the final shows how the final would have looked if you were lucky enough to obtain a ticket.

The following season it was Liverpool who were involved in the title race. Early on in the season Liverpool secured a 3-2 victory over Leicester. Arsenal’s visit to Anfield came in November, with Liverpool inflicting a 2-3 defeat on Arsenal with goals from Ian Ross, Ian Callaghan and Emlyn Hughes, while Ray Kennedy was on target for Arsenal as well as a Liverpool own goal. By December Liverpool inflicted a 3-2 defeat on title challenging Derby County, which put Liverpool level with Derby on points, however both were six points behind leaders Man United. By the season’s end however, Liverpool finished third and one point behind Champions Derby, while Man United finished ten points behind in eighth place.

After seven trophy-less seasons Liverpool finally attained two trophies in the same season. On route to the league title in early September Liverpool defeated Wolves 4-2 at Anfield. Liverpool for a large part of the season topped the table, however were overhauled by Arsenal after a 2-0 victory for the Gunners at Anfield in February with an Alan Ball penalty and a goal from John Radford. By the end of that month with a 0-1 defeat away at West Brom, Arsenal conceded the lead in the title race. For Arsenal the title was effectively lost by failing to win four of their last five games. Liverpool on the other hand defeated Leeds Utd. 2-0 at Anfield on Easter Monday, followed by a 0-0 draw at home to Leicester to bring the title back to Anfield after a seven year wait.

In between those two fixtures, Liverpool defeated Spurs in the Semi Final of the UEFA Cup to meet Borussia Monchengladbach in a two-legged final. Heavy rain had caused the first leg at Anfield to be abandoned after twenty seven minutes, however was replayed the following day resulting in a 3-0 win for Liverpool with two goals from Keegan and one from Larry Lloyd. In the second leg in Monchengladbach, two goals from Jupp Heynckes put the Reds in trouble however they held on to win 3-2 on aggregate and take their first European trophy. The following season, Liverpool finished second in the table behind Leeds Utd, who dominated the old First Division that season. Liverpool however inflicted only the second defeat of the season on Leeds by March 1974, winning 1-0 with a goal from Steve Heighway.

Arsenal visited Anfield a month later and left with both points with a goal from Ray Kennedy, which turned out to be his penultimate goal in an Arsenal shirt after he would join Liverpool as Bill Shankly’s last signing during the summer of 1974. Shanks’ last trophy with Liverpool would be the 1974 FA Cup, which was won with a 3-0 defeat of Newcastle. This footage shows the post-match interviews with a disappointed Malcolm MacDonald and the proclamation of Bill Shankly that his team were good enough to win a trophy ever season (of which for the next fifteen years they very nearly did!).

1974/75 however would be a rare trophy-less season under Bob Paisley. It would also be the last time Arsenal would win away at Anfield for the next fourteen and a half years (and sadly, not caught on film). In November, Arsenal would secure a 3-1 win with goals from Liam Brady and two for Alan Ball, while Ray Kennedy would be on the scoresheet for Liverpool. That same month Liverpool would defeat Bobby Robson’s Ipswich Town 5-2, who that season came third - level on points with Liverpool. In 1975/76, Liverpool regained the League title though at the start of the season lost 0-2 to title challengers QPR.

Arsenal met Liverpool at Anfield in early December, with Liverpool three points off of the top of the table while Arsenal were three points off of the relegation zone. In a game of three penalties, Phil Neal gave Liverpool the lead after twenty three minutes with Alan Ball equalising from the spot two minutes later. Another Phil Neal penalty would give Liverpool the lead on the hour mark, while Arsenal equalised two minutes from time with a goal from Brian Kidd. QPR however won thirteen of their last fifteen games, though Liverpool won their final game away at Wolves, coming from one goal down to win 3-1 and take the title by a single point.


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  1. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jan 08, 2016, 19:00 #81557

    Jamerson if you've seen me off sadly you have done it without me even reading your reply. Must have been wiped before I got to read it so sad never mind. I reckon Liverpool 1 Arsenal 3... God knows why but have a feeling

  2. jjetplane

    Jan 08, 2016, 17:33 #81555

    Who said anything about incest in The Fens? See Swift's Waterland.

  3. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 08, 2016, 17:33 #81554

    Jamie, you're confusing Devon and Cornwall with The Shire in Middle Earth. The sound you hear is the sound of Jamie furiously sawing off the branch he's sitting on.

  4. Jamerson

    Jan 08, 2016, 17:13 #81553

    Devon,Cornwall who cares?They're both full of folks who go around supping cider and saying stuff like'that it be'master Exeter..

  5. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 08, 2016, 17:13 #81552

    That sounds like Badarse to me - the straining puns, the attempt to play down his earlier failure to act on his own stated principles and somehow make it the fault of those who pointed it out.

  6. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 08, 2016, 16:58 #81548

    Jamerson, you really do live in your own little world, don't you. One in which Exeter is in Cornwall. You're another of the Monty Python Black Knights on here.

  7. mbg

    Jan 08, 2016, 16:48 #81547

    jj, Bard, is there a difference?

  8. jjetplane

    Jan 08, 2016, 16:45 #81546

    Certainly up on their research. Maybe it's Westie homaging .....

  9. Bard

    Jan 08, 2016, 16:28 #81543

    JJ I dont think it is.

  10. jjetplane

    Jan 08, 2016, 16:20 #81542

    Is that really a Badarse post?

  11. A Cornish Gooner

    Jan 08, 2016, 13:33 #81537

    Jamerson. Exeter is in Devon, not Cornwall. See off the 'thicko twins'? You couldn't even find them. Arsenal to win 2-0.

  12. Badarse

    Jan 08, 2016, 13:16 #81536

    Oh, there are those amongst us who walk in the darkness of their own shadows, cruelly stepping on them, and trampling them underfoot whenever the sun shines-those Dark Moanies. As Joe The Baker has said, there are the thin sliced, the medium, and sadly also the thick sliced. The latter are the ones arrogantly believing that they as sliced bread are superior to all that follows-because that could only ever be the next best thing to sliced bread. Why are they obsessed with Arsenal kneading the dough, I ask? These puritanical pedants, these little flours; those who would wilt at the thoughts of a tasty toasted crumpet-is it misogyny, and shiver at the sense of firm buttered buns-is that homophobia? Could they ever adhere to a stick loaf? Sadly passing the Baton onto their ilk, I see them get the Cob at the very mention of a croissant or baguette-is it xenophobia? I ask as down the years I have seen many trying to kick choux pastry claiming that even in Holland it clogs. What is another slice off a cut loaf? Why is a Split Tin not in two? Why does a Farmhouse look more like a bungalow? Imponderables, one, two and three. Verily I say this, as I verily rarely get a chance to use that word, or mot, and that brings us to Elneny-our soon to be verily own Mo, now that we at AFC have the bread-but not from you as you never go to the Grove. Arsene has used his loaf and I implore you now to turn your backs on the wicked winkle pizzas, to break bread with me, and not wind. To boldly go where no Moany has gone before-and step into the sunlight. Good old Ciabatta.

  13. Jamerson

    Jan 08, 2016, 13:02 #81534

    Exeter you old Cornish bumpkin,Iv'e already seen off the 'Thicko twins 'Arseneknewbest and Mark from Aylesbury so I'm sure you'd be no match..

  14. mbg

    Jan 08, 2016, 12:39 #81533

    Bard, like all the other AKB's their on the baccy

  15. jjetplane

    Jan 08, 2016, 12:18 #81531

    .... still no nearer to knowing 'how many stuffed olives does it take to put in a light bulb'.... So many questions, so little light ......

  16. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 08, 2016, 11:33 #81528

    Jamerson - I think any concerns regarding taking you on in battle of wits would be abated by your behaviour of continuously posting the same thing after having your posts continuously deleted.

  17. Jamerson

    Jan 08, 2016, 10:23 #81526

    You and your army of fools think your clever yet you are all half-wits compared to myself and completely devoid of any knowledge of why you are here and your final destination.I can shoot down any of your pathetic notions about life in general with the word of God,Hebrews 4:12 'For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.//So I will always triumph over your weak tomfoolery.I also have a photographic memory of everything Arsenal so when the like of jeff wright or Adrian Durham start twisting facts they will be owned.Apologies for my boasting yet you've forced me to by your belittling of some of the akb posters.I hope you use the same standard when the illiterate MARCUS returns..Badarse should write another one of his stories featuring your hapless crew..

  18. Mick Jones

    Jan 08, 2016, 9:07 #81525

    Arsenalknewbest - if you put Jamerson, Colesey , Badarse , Leekfc in a room together you have the main characters from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Jamnerson is leatherface with Colesey and Badarse as Grandpa and Grandma Sawyer..

  19. Bojangles

    Jan 08, 2016, 7:41 #81524

    The reverend Brian began to write his morning letters it held keep him focused on the days issues whilst sitting in his rectory. Amongst his regular contributions for cake recipes to the family circle magazine. The reverend also had a hidden side to him, with these contributions he assumed under a different pen name. He began his second letter, "Dear Gooner I have always fought for anti rascist causes I wield my sword of justice against all oppression and believe in higher levels of reason not often found in average folk"... Just then he read a contribution from Jamerson which read "oh ye heathens , you deviants, slaves.... The list was endless.... Brian stared at in wonder. He immediately began a response. "Oh Jamerson what a jolly good fella you are, you tickle me with what some fools think are your overtly racist , misogynist , intolerant views. I find you a delightful fellow indeed you have given me inspiration... I've suddenly thought how about a man who shakes his head then shakes a woman's boobies! Nothing wrong with a bit of groping humour. Oh what fun, it brings me back to my days in light entertainment." Brian thought he would finish that letter later as he had a further letter to write to Jeremy about oppression of woman in the workplace.

  20. Bard

    Jan 08, 2016, 7:38 #81523

    Arseneknewb; what you get if you put jamerson, lee, Colsey together is a collective IQ of less than 50. Is Becci someone who cant spell Becky ? Go easy B52's you need to do a lot more posting before you get invited to the love shack. Lets see your credentials if you get my drift.

  21. Tony Evans

    Jan 08, 2016, 7:25 #81522

    Hi Ron - I suppose people like us born and bred on Highbury were always going to struggle accepting the new stadium, but even accepting that the atmosphere now is awful and makes it very hard to warm to the place.

  22. Ozzie

    Jan 08, 2016, 5:32 #81521

    Interesting read Robert. I have always felt a tingle watching/listening to their fans singing 'You'll never walk alone.' Why, last night here in Oz I had to endure a crowd of 40.000 watching an exhibition match between Liverpool & Aussie legends with the fans in full voice. Why couldn't we have a song to sing with such gusto? How about: "We fired our cannon and the opposition kept a'runnin'....yeah they ran through the middle and they ran through each other and they ran thru the tunnel where only rabbits could go...they ran so fast that Arteta couldn't catch em...." Loved the Mersey beat and Gerry Marsden singing Ferry cross the Mersey

  23. jeff wright

    Jan 07, 2016, 23:29 #81520

    Jamerson is a busy little man with all of his trolling, preaching and name changing .It's all about attention seeking really his inane rantings become more and more abusive as time goes by ... he is clearly as mad as a box of frogs - or on something illegal...

  24. Gaz

    Jan 07, 2016, 22:47 #81519

    Spot on again Ron RE the Emirates. Fantastic stadium but in no way was atmosphere the main design requirement. Unless we resigned the north stand into one large north bank style end the atmosphere will always be a problem. Sadly spurs have learnt from our mistake with their new stadium...

  25. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 07, 2016, 22:33 #81518

    Becci - being called a nitwit is possibly the nicest thing an AKB has ever said to me - how endearing. The B52s thing is also quaint despite the giveaway homophobic Jamee tang to it. Becci - a word to the wise: - you don't want to feed this particular beast - he's a racist, homophobic, elitist, misanthrope who quotes cack from the bible. As mad as you can imagine (even more than a nitwit). Finish this sentence: "What do you get when you put Jamee son, lee, coleslaw and their mates together?"

  26. B52's

    Jan 07, 2016, 21:42 #81516

    What do you get when you put Arseneknewbest, Ron, jeff, jj, mbg, Bard, JohnF and Exeter together? A love shack.

  27. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 07, 2016, 21:15 #81514

    Becci - Genuine question - where does the idiom (to) "sit there like a stuffed olive" come from? It's completely new to me and google offered nothing. Do you in actual fact mean to compare our good friend Ron to a stuffed shirt (which he isn't of course if you read his material regularly). So sitting somewhere like a stuffed olive is about as odd a thing to write as sitting somewhere like, say, a stuffed screwdriver. It has never been heard of. You say tapenade, I say tunic. Let's call the whole thing off.

  28. John F

    Jan 07, 2016, 20:39 #81513

    Becci in the bath quite often,i sound a bit like Paul Weller and how did you know I look like a giant green olive.When I go to matches it is with my middle son who does like to get behind the team .A German terrace style would be great Ron.I did notice at the Hull screening the atmosphere was very good and wondered if it was because you could sit where you want which meant groups of younger fans sat together or maybe it was the alcohol as a lot of people were under the influence.I'm off now to add myself to a salad.

  29. Ron

    Jan 07, 2016, 19:55 #81512

    Without a doubt Westie. The Upper was far more morgue like. John F - I think that if any Club needs the new style terracing as we see in Germany its Arsenal. The entire North End Lower and much of the Upper as it is now, red action etc could be stripped of seats as could the away section. The real problem though is that whoever designed that stadium never gave a thought to the atmosphere reqt. Its a stadium that pays homage to corporatism. Other Clubs like Liverpool and Spurs i suspect wont make the same mistake. Becci - i love Olives. You've clearly eaten a few bitter ones, french ones i suspect.

  30. Bard

    Jan 07, 2016, 19:38 #81511

    Some interesting posts about the waiting list. To be honest I dont blame them for the spin. The problem is the mugs who believe it. The reality of modern football is that the fans are just there as background to the whole pantomime. Filled seats look aesthetically more pleasing than empty ones but now that the real dosh is made elsewhere fans are a sideshow. Arsenal and other clubs couldnt give a flying f*** about fans. As long as they are easily separated from their money its job done.

  31. mbg

    Jan 07, 2016, 19:25 #81510

    John F, see what I mean ? you've disappointed a wee lamb named becci with the truth, and of course reply in the only way they know how.

  32. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 07, 2016, 19:16 #81509

    Great piece Robert - when you are writing about Liverpool v Arsenal you could write a book per decade. Still wish there was some footage of Joe Baker taking out Ron Yeats, we lost the game but my father said it was one of his finest memories of Highbury. Great interviews with the Liverpool players and Bill Shankley, everyone seems a bit more respectful and honest in their summing up of the 74 cup final, not an ego in sight, mind you had Newcastle won I think MM would have had a field day. Well done again Robert.

  33. jeff wright

    Jan 07, 2016, 19:13 #81508

    I make you right Bard and as John F says the usual leaked stories that appear ,such as the Benzema one last summer,thick Colesyboy believed it, are already circulating like recycled rubbish.

  34. mbg

    Jan 07, 2016, 19:10 #81507

    John F, yes and OGL's merry men were getting all moist because they thought he was heading here for a medical. Yes indeed Guys all this season ticket waiting list bullshyte is just that, pure spin form TKOS himself and the club, (I wouldn't be surprised if you rang them tomorrow looking for one you'd get it or definitely next season) and like everything else the spin department and Lord wenger spouts it's lapped up and believed by the sheep.

  35. Bard

    Jan 07, 2016, 18:12 #81506

    You must kidding Jeff. It will depend on how we do in the next few games. If they go belly up expect some action. Nothing is likely to happen u8ntil the last minute

  36. John F

    Jan 07, 2016, 17:20 #81505

    Jeff,Some papers Express,star claim Arsenal have bid 45mil for Aubameyang but Dortmund want 60 mil.They are trying to make a big deal about him missing training when it was because he had to fly to Nigeria for personal reasons.The more believable news is Sanchez has surprise surprise had an injury set back will now not feature on Saturday(Arsenal news now).Ron I have been up in the gods at the Emirates and it was awful. What is needed for the atmosphere to get going is for a section of the ground to be given priority to the regulars who travel away.We do have a very vocal away following .

  37. Westlower

    Jan 07, 2016, 17:15 #81504

    @Ron, I agree with your assessment of the Westupper but disagree about the Westlower. I can only talk about Block S in the Westlower after it switched to all-seater. Being located adjacent to the way support generated a passionate & intense atmosphere. The North Bank became the 'safe' area for those who didn't want the confrontation with the away supporters. If we took visitors/newcomers to Highbury, we always took them into the North Bank as it the safest area for people unaccustomed to football crowds. Complete opposite to how it was when I first started going in the 60's.

  38. Ron

    Jan 07, 2016, 16:31 #81503

    Tony - i never renewed after 2010 but had offers for 3 yrs afterwards. My Cousin had a Club level seat for 2 yrs till he got his Silver membership in gear. He gets offers each season for Gold. They usually offer seats high up in the Gods where the airs thinner and theres a hypothermia risk! Still at Barmy prices though. Not sure youve ever been up there but i did a couple of times and there are people up there sleeping, working on lap tops, reading novels, business meetings the whole thing. Truly awful. Makes the old Westlower/upper seem like a throbbing cauldron of passion and hell fire!

  39. jeff wright

    Jan 07, 2016, 16:14 #81502

    The waiting list and crowd attendances are both myths created to perpetrate the illusion that things are better than what they in reality are regarding supporters. The question and answer sessions were soon a dead duck in the water also once some awkward questions were asked of Arsene and the fake board . Any news yet of the new signings that Arsene claimed he would be busy making >?

  40. Tony Evans

    Jan 07, 2016, 16:05 #81501

    MBG / Ron - definite waiting list hype / myth - a mate of mine was also offered season tickets which he turned down.

  41. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 07, 2016, 15:18 #81500

    Mbg - I agree about the photo. Unarguably, each club's finest manager of the post-war era.

  42. mbg

    Jan 07, 2016, 13:58 #81497

    Ron, your dead right the ticket waiting list is a myth, more spin that has obviously been swallowed as usual, a mate of mine and another acquaintance have been offered season tickets for the last two seasons in a row, by both email and phone call from the club, both turned them down, even after that they were still offered them again the next season (this one)my mate TWICE yes after declining he got another phone call a month or so later offering him again, again he declined, so much for going to the bottom of the waiting list if you decline, if there is a waiting list at all it's certainly not very big or there's been a hell of a lot of fans declining offers.

  43. mbg

    Jan 07, 2016, 13:21 #81495

    Good read Robert and a great photo to accompany your piece of two true legends, not to mention some others you've mentioned who are still remembered to this day and always will, when others are long forgotten.

  44. Tony Evans

    Jan 07, 2016, 13:13 #81494

    Thanks Robert - wonderfully researched as usual. My teenage hatred of all things Liverpool during the 70s knew no bounds, and continued into the 80s. Never was an Arsenal victory so sweet as that 2-0 game in 1989. Looking back now I realise it was more the media love in with Liverpool that got to me most, mixed in with massive jealousy - they had some great teams during that time.

  45. John F

    Jan 07, 2016, 12:08 #81492

    Great stuff Rob.Liverpool really were the top club when I was growing up bit like bloody Abba just seem to go on and on.The most you could hope for was a draw when we played at Anfield which made 89 even more surprising.I was trying to think when that dominance began to wain and I put it down to the formation of the Premier league, rise of Man utd and even us for a short while.The Roma clip was interesting although the scenes at Heysel were unforgivable I did not realise what had gone on a year before.You could say Liverpool have had a major influence on how football is now although it was only a matter of time before the horrific events witnessed were going to happen such was the state of Football.

  46. chris dee

    Jan 07, 2016, 11:45 #81491

    Furnell,Magill,Flint McCullough,Ure and Sneddon. What a nightmare defence!No wonder we were ****e in those days. Joe Baker?A great goalscorer with a wonderful left hook.Henry Cooper an Arsenal supporter, learned his punching skills from Joe and realised that a well times hook would floor anyone no matter how big as Cassius Clay found out

  47. Ron

    Jan 07, 2016, 11:43 #81490

    Great post Robert. I went to that 5-0 back in 1964 as a kid. All i can recall is Ian Ure being useless and the most deafening crowd ive ever heard then or since. I stood with my Uncle just round the corner from the Kop on the terrace on which is now the main stand from where the players emerge. The swaying Kop was a sight to behold. Im guessing all teams just wilted at Anfield in those days. Todays crowds are non existent by comparison.The passion for football on Merseyside though even today is far higher and more intense than anywhere else. No London or Manc Club will ever be like they are about their footie. Scousers are passionate about everything!! Jamie - yr kidding yself. Liverpools support world wide dwarfs ours, forget AFC s mythical 'waiting lists' Bard - give it a year or 3 and all of those PL clubs will be '2nd tier' behind Manch City. Utd will hang in there close too though. The rest can forget it, inc Arsenal Chelsea and Liverpool.

  48. Bard

    Jan 07, 2016, 10:15 #81488

    Good post Robert. Could be seen as the decline of a once great club. They were monsters back in the day. So many great players. These days they are a shadow of their former selves and belong in the second tie of clubs along with us and a few others. Unless someone with a shedload of dosh buy them thats where they will remain. Interesting aside, Stan is relocating the Rams to a new stadium in a deal that will cost him $2b, wonder how that will affect us.

  49. Badarse

    Jan 07, 2016, 9:50 #81487

    Thanks once more Robert. That is a nice story 24601, I saw you at the Joe Baker uppercut game-I was that old greybeard in the time machine-remember when we talked of music and I said, 'You might like the Bee Gees', then having misheard you began to follow the 'gee gees' instead? It's all horses for courses. After the game I got Tommy Lawrence's autograph outside the main entrance.

  50. Westlower

    Jan 07, 2016, 9:34 #81486

    Well done Robert as you've obviously been a busy boy collating all these memories. I first saw Shankly with his Liverpool team on Norwich railway station in September 1961 when on route to Yarmouth for our families annual weeks holiday. They beat Norwich 2-1 in a 2nd Division game, Roger Hunt scored both L'pool goals. They gained promotion to Div. 1 that season. I first saw them live in Feb 1964 in that infamous FA Cup 5th round tie at Highbury, which L'pool won 1-0 (St John was the scorer) in front of a crowd of 61,295. What lingers most in the memory was that sweeping upper cut Joe Baker gave Ron Yeats when they were getting to their feet after clashing moments before. Never seen a better punch in my life time but my Evertonian supporting ex workmate reckons his was better, when he knocked 'hard man' Tommy Smith through a partition wall in his youth. Teams that day at Highbury: AFC - Furnell, Magill, McCullough, Ure, Snedden, Groves, MacLeod, Strong, Baker, Eastham, Armstrong: L'pool - Lawrence, Bryne, Moran, Yeats, Milne, Stevenson, Callaghan, Hunt, Arrowsmith, St John, Thompson. Callaghan & Thompson were the best pair of wingers around at that time.