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Online Ed: Arsenal snatch draw from the jaws of victory at Anfield



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How significant Liverpool’s late equalizer at Anfield last night will prove may not be determined until the end of the season, but in spite of a draw being a creditable result, it felt like two points dropped when Joe Allen’s equalizer passed Petr Cech. A little before the free kick that led to the goal, Olivier Giroud, as the ball came out of Arsenal’s defence, worked hard to close down space and force a Liverpool pass. It went to a free man, and Giroud gesticulated to Aaron Ramsey who had failed to advance on the player who received possession. Arsenal were hanging back too deep and the Welshman seemed to lack the energy to make the required yards in time to make life difficult for the home side.

Jurgen Klopp’s own side had been pressing hard in an intense first half, and ran out of steam themselves as the match wore on, but the Gunners, once 3-2 up, failed to take advantage of the greater amount of space on the pitch and make the game more secure by means of a fourth goal.

Giroud was indefatigable, Arsenal’s standout player by a distance, scoring two of their goals. One wonders what he will have in the tank for Stoke, never his favourite of trips, on Sunday. Although he did miss a great opportunity at 2-2 in the first half after some wonderful build-up play by Campbell and Bellerin set him up in front of goal, when his second goal did come after the interval, it was brilliantly fashioned and finished. Once again, it was Bellerin and Campbell who combined to provide him with the ball in the area for a far more difficult chance. These two players are beginning to combine wonderfully on the right flank and it is going to prove difficult to drop the Costa Rican once Alexis returns. Theo Walcott, by contrast, had a very quiet game. It was his loss of the ball early in the game that led to Liverpool’s opener.

Credit to Arsenal for coming from behind twice. Ramsey’s goal, set up by Campbell, was a real treat. Technically, with Giroud suffering a head injury, the referee might have stopped play in the build-up, but he allowed Arsenal to contine and the Frenchman was treated as his team-mates were celebrating.

Liverpool’s goals were avoidable as the Gunners were not quite tight enough to prevent the shots that beat Cech. On the first, there is an argument he should have pushed it away from his goal, but at the speed it was going, who knows how easy it was to control. He could do nothing about the second, and in truth, it was just one of those goals where you have to say “what a finish”. Sure someone might have been closer to Firmino, but it all happened very quickly.

The second Arsenal equalizer looked more of an own goal to me as Mignolet seemed to direct it into his own net, but credit to Giroud for at least causing confusion with a touch that did not actually seem to change the path of the ball from Ozil’s corner.

It must have been very frustrating for Jurgen Klopp to see his side work so hard in their ‘gegenpressing’ (or however it is spelt) and yet reach the interval on level terms.

On paper, it seemed a good time to play Liverpool with their injuries to key players, although looking at the Arsenal treatment table, the boot could just as easily have been on the other foot. It is a credit to Wenger’s squad that they have by and large not suffered from the loss of Alexis, Cazorla and Coquelin from their starting eleven, but the fear is whether the players that have been used so heavily will be able to keep going. However, a trip to Anfield is never going to be a formality and the atmosphere was intimidating, and the weather didn’t make it easy, as snow descended in the second half.

Arsene Wenger switched Campbell and Walcott for the Ox and Gibbs in the final 20 minutes, although there is an argument that, if the Gunners were in defensive mode, they might have been better leaving Campbell on. I thought to myself at the time that this 20 minutes might prove critical in Arsenal’s season. The club have often gained key victories at Anfield in seasons when they have won the title (1997-98 does not really count as they lost 4-0 up there days after being crowned champions) and it would have undoubtedly strengthened their cause if they had held on to their lead.

Speaking with a friend earlier in the day, they stated that four points out of the trips to Liverpool and Stoke would be a good return. Certainly Manchester City’s home draw with Everton was good news that softened the blow of Liverpool’s late leveler, but Leicester don’t seem to be going away. The idea that after gaining 40 points, the Foxes might start to slide down the table is going to have to wait a while yet.

It is not the first time that Arsenal have suffered late goals against in this fixture. However, it is something they will have to avoid in similar matches to come if they are to end their 12 year domestic title drought, because there are going to be a few one goal victories required between now and May. A result that might feel like two points lost, but I suspect at kick off, some would have been happy if you offered them a point. The nature of the draw, from a leading position, is what hurts.

My own mind goes back to 2002-03, a season when Arsenal should have won the title. From winning positions at Liverpool, Newcastle, Bolton and Villa in the second half of the season, Wenger’s team construed to drop eight points. Hanging onto narrow leads is not one of the modern day Arsenal’s strengths. In the end, a fair result though. It might prove a valuable point. We’ll see…

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. Nick

    Jan 17, 2016, 10:39 #81949

    Badarse I was going to reply to your rambling and insults but I had to stop laughing first, a " coward" am I ? For what ? Having an opinion that differs to yours? Judgmental? For pointing out two incidents out of many to support my argument? Still you carry on with your in my opinion quite ridiculous prose and attempts to create analogies to support your view, I see I am not alone in finding you boorish and pompous, so I will leave it there after all I may not agree with your way of thinking but you have a right to think however you like. Westflower Wenger himself has often said " judge me in May" well since he first uttered those words how many May's have come and gone ? His decisions have cost us dearly in big games ever since he first used the phrase, yes we have recently been better in pressure games two cup finals, though we were lucky in the first against Hull, the away win against man city was not so much a change of ideology from our manager but one forced on us by circumstances,the win against man uts was a change brought about by the players themselves, and if the Bayern home game was a blueprint for playing top sides how come we abandoned it the return game ? If Wenger was the manager you think he is we would be top with at least a five point cushion, but such are his inadequacies in motivation, tactical nous and acumen in the transfer windows, whenever we are handed a chance to really grasp the nettle of success we invariably bottle it, what I'm saying or trying to say is HE is the constant in our failure to win a title for ten years, the team apart from the odd occasion when the players have motivated themselves are a reflection of the managers character, it's not so much.our players who " don't like it up em " as our manager who reviles that type of football and who thinks we are above or should be above that type of working class ethic, we have been top on several occasions since 2008, and everytime we cock it up from good positions usually by falling flat on our faces against those very same working class ethics of teams like Stoke, and yes on occasion to simple thuggery but under Wenger we rarely if ever have the guts to stand up and fight for the right to play our football, so he may have got us to the top, but staying there is what he will be judged on , and past experience tells us he will make the same old mistakes and our team will show the same lack of bottle in the run in , I hope he proves me wrong I will be happy to eat my words if he does, in fact id be ecstatic to do so , but you'll have to to judge me until May .

  2. mbg

    Jan 16, 2016, 13:33 #81929

    Mick Jones, welcome to the love shack doors open at 9pm, Exeter, like I said their true colours always show in the end.

  3. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 16, 2016, 10:54 #81920

    A man pushing 70 who calls himself Badarse. A man pushing 70 who upholds the status quo yet calls much younger men who believe in change 'dinosaurs'. A man pushing 70 who spends his days on a single website yet calls others a 'poor, sad, and lonely old fool' and makes promises, not threats, of violence but who also bemoans the abuse and low standards on this site. A man who tells of a lifetime fighting against prejudice and lecturing others on the bigger, more important issues they should be occupying themselves with than football, then refuses to condemn prejudice simply because its proponents like the same football manager - indeed, pals up with these bigots. A man who, no matter how closely and how often this mirror is held up to his face, continues on with embarrassing himself in the same manner.

  4. B52's

    Jan 15, 2016, 23:54 #81906

    Found the bouncer for the love shack, none other than the hard case Mick Jones. Just like those inside the shack. All mouth.

  5. Mick Jones

    Jan 15, 2016, 23:39 #81904

    Badarse - so a man of higher learning and moral judgement or a fraudulent hypocrite, a trader of groper jokes, a man who laughs along with racists. Reckon if you want want to spot a coward you should just look in the mirror. Badarse = Odious little man

  6. mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 23:21 #81901

    Extra lessons, yet another new name ? your going through them quicker than a dodgy curry washed down with a pint of sour apple juice would after you've scoffed it. And my spelling of the words theirs they're is still going right over your head ? even after all this time ? and your use of Maguire shows your no stranger so you really should have caught on by now, so ask some of those people that you know who never read my worth less comments but are always replying to explain it to you. And if you get a chance in between times show me where I've ever ridiculed anyone for they're speling.

  7. Badarse

    Jan 15, 2016, 23:19 #81900

    mbg not a threat, just a simple promise. Behave if you want to stay on my Xmas card list. By the way, they have discovered the 'happy genes', they are those ones you pull right up like Simon Cowell trews, but there is no documented evidence that Dark Moanies have them-you two dinosaurs stay with Lee Cooper, you can share a pair, ha ha.

  8. extra lessons for mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 21:26 #81898

    Maguire. I like your style when someone genuinely presents a post with a few spelling mistakes. You ridicule, as you only know. Then lo and behold, there.. they're.. their, for which you ridicule. Alas, your.. you're.. are the same words in YOUR vocabulary. Most people I know don't even read your comments which, for the record are worthless.

  9. Badarse

    Jan 15, 2016, 20:29 #81897

    e.g and mbg the keyboard warriors, ha ha.

  10. mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 19:51 #81896

    Bard, yes the wengerites are just jealous because they're not welcome, especially now they know their messiah has been made very welcome and is coming even though he has been told in no uncertain terms there will be no bowing, so you and Helen are going to have to be even more vigilant as far as security is concerned but no doubt Helen is up for it as far as mouthy AKB's with b o go. Everything else is on track jw has the booze sorted, the Caterer is on standby he has made a lovely French cheese board for OGL (more than he gets at AKB central i'll bet) The band is sorted a great group, the B52's changed their name and offered to play for nothing in an attempt to get in but were soon sussed. I've had an email from the girls they can't wait to get here, myself and Tony Evans are picking them up at the airport, they want to know if they call themselves Wobettes I said not a problem.

  11. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 15, 2016, 19:50 #81895

    B52's, it's a shame your enjoyment of Arsenal is spoiled by this constant concern with other people's moaning. You're what's known as meta-moaner.

  12. B52's

    Jan 15, 2016, 19:09 #81894

    Bard, me old China, there ain't no jealousy here just so glad you can find like minded moaners to moan with as Helen won't like your thoughts of the other kind of moaning. This doesn't have to be an annual event as it occurs after every Arsenal match as you are all too aware.

  13. mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 19:05 #81893

    Exeter, don't worry your on here often enough to deal with him and others, and do it very well, but if your not rest assured there's plenty of others to cover your back and do it for you.

  14. Bard

    Jan 15, 2016, 18:43 #81892

    B52's I am hopeful that I will be moaning all night once mbg arrives with the entertainment. Jealousy is a dangerous state of mind mate, whats the AKBs alternative, dodgy knees from all that kneeling and a permanently brown nose. Can the Love shack January bash becomes a permanent fixture in the wob calendar.

  15. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 15, 2016, 18:30 #81890

    Threats of violence now, eh Badarse? What is more cowardly on the internet than that. You don't learn do you, keep falling into those traps. Tell you what, you 'give it a rest' with obsessively policing this site, taking the moral high ground even after you've demonstrated you're a total fraud in this regard and stick to giving a viewpoint and coming up with an actual counterargument to those views you disagree with, and I'll leave you alone. Deal? Or do you genuinely want to arrange to meet in person to attempt to carry out your threat?

  16. Badarse

    Jan 15, 2016, 18:10 #81889

    Hello Exeter, just a point my little old cowardly primate, my little country bumpkin; if we ever met you would be known as the 'beef' person, because you would only get that first syllable of 'coward' out of your trap before it was closed permanently. Oh whoops, my obsessive behaviour has got me into trouble. Now why don't you grow up and behave like a mature and behaviourally unchallenged individual that you desperately want to be. Hate Arsene Wenger, hate me, hate anything you like, but for goodness sake give it a rest, you poor, sad, and lonely old fool. Nya-Nya-Nya-Nya-Nya, my Dad could fight your Dad. Actually, my Dad could have.

  17. B52's

    Jan 15, 2016, 17:39 #81888

    Bardot, you are a confused soul, who needs a lie down. The love shack is for those who are anti Arsene or Arsenal, judged by their persistent views on this matter. Moaners, no longer supporters, living in the past, long in the tooth, steradent users, of an age where GG is still their messiah, eh mbg? Helen will be busy with her frisking as long as Bard is first in the queue. It will be rocking at about 4.15pm on Sunday until 6pm and then will really take off when news of the score from the Potteries comes through on their long wave radios via the world service. No matter the score the gasps of despair will be heard for miles and miles. Now, those were the days.

  18. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 15, 2016, 17:34 #81886

    That's right, Badarse. As long as you're on here guiding / policing / judging / being a hypocrite, I'll be pointing it out (though you can draw consolidation from me being on here 100th of the amount of time you are, so you'll still get away with a lot).

  19. Badarse

    Jan 15, 2016, 17:00 #81885

    The obsessive cannot let go, ha ha. Lots of ooh-ing, ah-ing, whoa-ing and WOR-ing. Alms! Alms! Save those arms for more sycophantic waving. You've got your mother in a whirl. She's not sure if you're a boy or a girl. Rabble Rabble, you've torn your dress. Rabble Rabble, your face is a mess. Rabble Rabble, how could they know? Hot tramp, I love you so. What a poor e.g.

  20. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 15, 2016, 16:27 #81884

    "Ironic that people level a charge of someone being judgmental as they judge away." It's not ironic - as you judge, so you are being judged in return. What's ironic is your apparent outrage that you should also be subject to judgment. Cowardice is not standing up for your principles when they are attacked - indeed, actually 'standing with' those who attack them - and not being prepared to face up to those subjecting you to the same scrutiny you would give to others. Cowardice is pretending your scrutinising is somehow helpful and 'nice' whilst you being scrutinised is 'nasty'. And yes, Wenger is the decisive element - he is the cause of the polarisation on here. That's not a matter of opinion.

  21. Westlower

    Jan 15, 2016, 14:34 #81882

    Just to show how the fortunes of clubs ebb & flow, 11 of the current PL teams weren't in the top division in 88/89. The absentees were Man City, Chelsea, Leicester, West Ham, Stoke, C Palace, Watford, Bournemouth, Swansea & Sunderland. @Nick Whether we like it or not it's Wenger who has taken us to the top of the table, in a season where 'ace coach' Maureen imploded. If you blame AW for the bad days, then you need to give him credit on the good days.

  22. Bardot

    Jan 15, 2016, 14:32 #81881

    You probably know my dad or t least you have read his Collected Works. Well all hell has broken out at home. He has lied to mum. I found out he is going to the Festival of Fun at the weekend at a place call the Love Shack. I understand he is very excited about being body searched on the way in by a lady called Helen. He told mum he was going to the cinema to see an Arthur Webster comedy classic double bill, 'Fourth is the new first' and 'The real trophy is won in January'. I checked and its booked out for the next 3 months and there is a waiting list of 845000, although when I drove by there were plenty of empty seats. i reached out on social media and got some strange replies like 'f*** off down the lane' . What does that mean ?

  23. mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 14:31 #81880

    Nick, great post, everybody makes mistakes (including OGL) none of us has ever had a problem with that, but proper managers learn from them and do everything they can to make sure they don't happen again ( apart from this one)because this old has been of a manager keeps making them over and over and over and over again, and has been doing so for the last ten years and has never ever learned (and probably never wanted to)from them due to his ego, stubbornness, and sheer bloody arrogance (and if he doesn't/doesn't want to his players won't) and that's one of the problems a lot of fans have with him, apart from the AKB's and his followers of course who can't see that, or just don't want to, or just don't care such is their devotion to him.

  24. mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 13:52 #81879

    DW Thomas, you've brought up/made an excellent point there, we're top of the league but so what, there's fans (we know who they are)that if we were scraping wins after being out played out fought made to look foolish, scraping draws under the same circumstances, even getting beaten and embarrassed and somehow still remaining on top they'd still be using it to big up their messiah, they still wouldn't care they just still wouldn't get it or see it.

  25. Badarse

    Jan 15, 2016, 13:02 #81878

    Again you are mistaken Nick. Arsene Wenger isn't the decisive element, and it is not a fact, it is nothing but an opinion, so here is one side rejecting your opinion. People carry their personalities with them into many spheres-this is not Freudian either, it is a fact too, not an opinion. Some are inherently cowardly and when in a position of imagined or real majority especially from a safe distance, toss in their judgements of others-sometimes quite rudely, ergo the cowardice. Ironic that people level a charge of someone being judgmental as they judge away. I say watch out because, 'Here come de judge'. I understand judicial systems, and as a traveller to many distant places recognise notable differences; why I have been to Bangalore and once judged by a sausage all else is a load of baloney.

  26. Westlower

    Jan 15, 2016, 12:10 #81877

    @AKB What won Arsenal the league in 89 was an unbeaten run off 11 games through Dec 04 to Feb 18, book-ended by defeats at Derby & Coventry. After losing to Forest on Mar 11 we followed up with a 7 game unbeaten run before we stumbled on the run in losing to Derby again and drawing with Wimbledon. Then came Anfield! AFC only conceded more than 2 goals twice that season, both times at Highbury, losing 2-3 to Villa & 1-3 to Forest. We dropped points against 13 teams in 88/89: Villa, Southampton, Luton, Liverpool, Coventry, Man U, Derby, Millwall, Norwich, Sheffield Wed, QPR, Forest & Charlton.

  27. Nick

    Jan 15, 2016, 12:07 #81876

    Before I start could anyone tell me what the hell the abbreviation" smh" means ?? The poster with the long moniker to the effect of disliking our English players used it several times, Badarse and others indulge in their personal bickering ( though in Badarses case he resorts to Freudian prose to try making his point) the fact is Wenger is the decisive element here, my personal opinion of him is that for an experienced manager he still makes rookie mistakes, usually you can see them coming, how many times in the past has he taken off our best performing player and left on the worst? Two occasions when his penchant for this has cost us are a cup game vs Chelsea, Henry had turned the game around for us and was terrorizing the chavs defence, but with 15 mins to go Wenger took him off and put on a defender , we drew 2-2 after a relieved Chelsea having the freedom to forward in Hemrys absence levelled, another was taking the Ox off at a time when he was pinning the manure reds team back, the look on RVPs face at that decision said it all,manure who had been there for the taking consequently took heart and went on to win 2-1. There are many other incidences of this idiocy, pre planned substitutions would explain it of course. The most damming indictment of the man is this summers window, we are all hoping that El Neny will plug our defensive gaps, but a player like him was needed BEFORE the season started, as were a couple of others too ,if wed had reinforcements in place then maybe instead of merely not imploding during our annual injury crisis we could have CAPITALIZED instead indeed had we had the players to rotate then perhaps the injury situation would not even have been so bad, our defensive set up is not well drilled enough, that is also down to the man in charge, Wengers stubborn streak shows in sticking with out of form favourite's or with those ( Almunia, Fabianski ) who are just not good enough and who are in fact liabilities, I dont thinks its loyalty to these players on Wengers behalf more an egotistical refusal to admit he may have been wrong ! All these traits are indicative of an older man still thinking he has what it takes to compete against the young bulls refusing to accept he is not as good as he once was, his main fault is stubbornness, a refusal to allow that anyone but he can be right, we may yet win the title this year but if we do make no mistake it will be IN SPITE of Wenger NOT because of him !

  28. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 15, 2016, 11:24 #81875

    Coleslaw - and your point is? It's absurd for you to argue that every game is equally tough. Sheff Weds, BM, Villa, Barcelona are four tams we're playing this season - are you seriously suggesting that they are all at the same level? If anything, pushover games are a much more common phenomenon these days because of the vast disparity in clubs' wealth. Note last week that, Swansea aside, there were no upsets in the FAC (although I guess you'll counter by saying that Bradford weren't a pushover for chelski last year and are therefore virtually the same quality-wise as Jamee's pensioners - see, laughable isn't it? When we won the title in '89, there were far fewer "gimmes" (nice golf-jumper amercianism btw) not least because teams were largely competing only to buy home grown players, and because we weren't the fifth richest club in the world back then. We also played something like 18 London derbies that season but you didn't hear GG moaning abut it. Now there are only 5 London clubs (6 if you count suburban WTF-ord).

  29. Westlower

    Jan 15, 2016, 11:16 #81874

    According to physioroom.com, Arsenal only have Wilshere as a long term injury. Coq & Welbeck are reportedly back in training earlier than expected, although won't be available until February.

  30. goonercolesyboy

    Jan 15, 2016, 10:19 #81872

    Five of the current top ten are, in all due respect to them, higher than they imagined, yes or no Arseknowsbest?

  31. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 15, 2016, 9:02 #81871

    Jeff - 86752 - Fair point. I didn't realise he uttered those little pearls of wisdom in his post-match comments. They do indeed sound more than a tad patronising. I was going on their pre and post match greetings. Coleslaw - another horrendous myth that you and AKBs will peddle in order to apologise for Weng is the idea that "there are no gimmes any more". That's something that managers of formerly successful or rich clubs trot out when they under-perform. It's also like getting your excuses in before a potential fall a bit like, ooh, constantly crapping on about fatigue. Economics, player purchasing power, squad depth and quality are all in-equal among teams in the PL and Europe (mirroring any capitalist free-market model). To that extent there are, and always will be, mis-matches, and therefore those games should be seen as gimmes. Dinamo Zagreb, Sheffield Wednesday, Scumderland, Villa, Burnley are - inter alia - all gimmes. In much the same way that those diving gits in catalunia will regard the upcoming CL games against us as absolute gimmes. C'mon colesy - stop watching sky sports and get real.

  32. Mary Doyle

    Jan 15, 2016, 8:58 #81870

    Mary and the caravan I've just had those two fat feckers Jamerson and Pete buy my caravan. What a fecking pair. Both dressed in pink shorts, stupid bloody canvas shoes and stripy shirts like their going fecking boating. The really fat one told me his brother is on some mission from God and wants to minister in Ireland. Apparently sold up his caravan in some ****ehole In Suffolk. The fecking freaks. Then he try's to stiff me on the bill said we'd agreed €14000. My fecking Arse! Had to call over my brother Jamie to sort it out. Anyway €16500 euro better off and well rid of two weirdo's. I'd watch the pair off em. Up to no good I reckon!

  33. WENGER MUST GO ASAP AND SOME OF THESE ENGLISH PLAYERS(MARCUS)

    Jan 15, 2016, 8:21 #81869

    Hey you lot be quieRt I'M noooo woopsie.Who is this Arsenknewvest man.looooooolsmhsmh..

  34. Bard

    Jan 15, 2016, 8:11 #81868

    Dartford; I agree with you about letting the abuse go but you may not know that the AKBs are very upset that they havent been invited to the weekend Love Shack bash organised by mbg and a few of us to celebrate the mid January top of the table trophy. You might not be aware but the AKBs dont see the season in the usual way, Aug-May. They see it as finishing whenever we are top or near the top. So at the moment they are euphoric because in their eyes we have won the league now that we are top.

  35. DW Thomas

    Jan 15, 2016, 3:12 #81865

    Walcott was poor and Wenger is clueless. These are the points dropped that cost titles. Giroud, despite his two goals, one great, missed a sitter. Blame it on the rain? I say keep the arguing on here going! It's good to show some passion. Liverpool deserved at least a point, but WE should have won. Campbell can no say he should stay in the lineup ahead of Theo. He works way harder, especially on defense, and his passing and football brain seem more advanced. We are leading the league, but so what. Wasn't it recently we led the the league for months and months then bottled it the last couple? I'd rather be second or third forever then nip it at the end. As for our chances? I am not holding my breath. We've seen enough blown leads to last a lifetime. Can we trust Monsieur Wenger one last time?

  36. mbg

    Jan 15, 2016, 0:25 #81864

    Hiccup, your right it's all gone quiet on the mocking front ref Klopp, and we know why. Some of the wengerites couldn't give him enough a few days ago (just because he was being more popular and getting more praise than their messiah)and they accuse others of doing the same to wenger, hypocrites. But maybe it's because Klopp and TOF seemed friendly (I know it's hard to imagine wenger Paley with anyone let alone another manager such is his arrogance) and it would never do to slag off anyone who might be friendly with their messiah. But they still have plenty of other targets, especially one who they haven't started on yet, he's already more popular so just wait until he upstages or/and gets the better of their messiah then Claudio will become another target.

  37. sid

    Jan 14, 2016, 23:44 #81863

    Hello Marcus. A few more goals from the carthorse Giroud and you'll be long gone eh. Predictions, Predictions. Remember your words from last year?????????? Leave them to jeff. He's good at making a fool of himself as he often does.

  38. John F

    Jan 14, 2016, 23:11 #81862

    Club statement "We would like to announce that we have checked Elnenys back and it seems to be ok".

  39. Charles

    Jan 14, 2016, 23:08 #81861

    MARCUS-Your posts are sheer brilliance,are you and Arseneknewbest twins or just lovers.

  40. Dartford gooner

    Jan 14, 2016, 23:03 #81860

    Liverpool bring on Benteke who is good in the air, we mark him with Koscielny who is hit or miss in the air and look what happens. Meanwhile with have a 6ft7in centre half marking no one at the back post. what does Bould do when he works with the back four in training.Liverpool started with no one up front but quick players breaking from midfield, surely a game for the pace of Gabriel to come in.Walcott poor again, I bet Campbell makes way when Sanchez comes back.Why so much slagging off of each other on this site, everyone's got an opinion who's to say who's right and who's wrong.Give it a rest boys and stick to the football

  41. Hiccup

    Jan 14, 2016, 22:41 #81859

    Not too long ago, the staunch AKB's were ridiculing Klopp and the scousers as pub teams Watford, West Brom, West Ham et al were giving them the run around. No mocking today, but now we hear from them that it was a great point picked up last night? You couldn't make it up. It's just another case of a team putting in a super human effort against Arsenal. When will the FA clamp down on this discrimination against Arsenal?

  42. Mick Jones

    Jan 14, 2016, 22:16 #81858

    Badarse the hero yawn yawn.. Not so much a hero when you came on here as Brian or told Jamerson you loved his humour whilst he ranted homophobic rascist bilge. Hero? No, just a bleeding hypocrite of the worst order.

  43. goonercolesyboy

    Jan 14, 2016, 22:13 #81857

    A draw, as frustrating as the equaliser was, was about right. The pace of the game was frenetic, typical of encounters with Liverpool in the past. Big test on Sunday but every game this season for all teams is a test, there are no gimmes anymore. Still with the injuries we have endured, it is great to be top of the league, but not sure that resonates well with many on here.

  44. sid

    Jan 14, 2016, 21:43 #81856

    Just a quick reminder to the pathetic attempts that call themselves gooners....................... we are top of the league say we are top of the league. Sing up the anti boys.

  45. Gaz

    Jan 14, 2016, 21:26 #81855

    I've said it before but the greatest risk to us winning the PL isn't injuries or fatigue but Wenger himself and last night we had a great example of that. Arteta was a very good player and even now he's neat, tidy, and if you give him the ball 9 times out of 10 he'll pass it onto a team mate. Bring him on when you're 3/4 up and he's perfect for the role. When you're protecting a slender lead in a big away game though and the opposition have bought on a guy who's particularly good in the air he's the last player I'd want to see coming on! Wenger should have bought on Chambers or Gabriel but a decision points...

  46. Bard

    Jan 14, 2016, 21:04 #81854

    B52s the immodium is clearly not working mate,I suggest a suppository.

  47. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 20:20 #81853

    A fifteen minute flight to a match, then a train journey to Liverpool, what was TOF trying to prove ? whatever it was it didn't work. No surprise there.

  48. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2016, 19:23 #81852

    Arseneknewbest ,Wenger's headteacher type comments afterwards that, ' I had to speak to Klopp to tell him to calm down', sounded condescending to me ! A bit of a cheek or more likely the well known lack of self awareness by Wenger that considering his own antics on the touchy line last night and on other numerous occasions as well. Never mind it's his old pal Sparky up next,What advice will he have for him. You couldn't make it up.

  49. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 14, 2016, 18:04 #81851

    Jamee - See you in your love shack then big boy. Delighted that you're becoming more homophile. We can compare our respective rock lobsters...My take on the OGL-Klopp encounter was more towards mutual respect I have to say. I like JK because he's committed and fully fired up. The fist-pumping (ooo-er Jamee...) doesn't bother me but I suspect it'll wear off quite quickly amongst the bin dippers if it's not accompanied by lasting improvement and/or trophies.

  50. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:54 #81850

    Not sure about 'the mutual admiration' bit John. What with Wenger's megalomanic type tunnel vision of himself being the only one who knows how the game should be played and all! Wenger looked every inch the suited tie wearing accountant and full of it when he walked into Anfield carrying his brief case, god knows what things he had in it but a tactical plan to defend properly and make astute substitutions if required was obviously not there.I thought Wenger's smirk and little pat on Herr Klopps arm looked a bit condescendante toward the under pressure Deutschlander and I am convinced that Wenger thought that the points were in the bag before the game was played .The look of horror on his face when that late equalizer went in and his after match interview confirmed this .Once Klopp gets things sorted and some new players in I can see him being a threat to the top 4 sides . Meanwhile back on the ranch our beloeved major shareholder Syrupy Stan is smarting over being abused by a stadium full of basketball supporters he owns the club and has decided,for financial reasons natch, to move the club elsewhere .You couldnt make it up

  51. B52's

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:52 #81849

    When someone uses the words feck and buttox you know that they are old, behind the times and full of self importance in their politically correct world.

  52. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:49 #81848

    Exeter, ArseneKnewBest, yes he seems to be raising his head again, some just never learn, but don't worry it's just a matter of time until someone smacks his arse again and he'll be gone in a huff for another sabbatical.

  53. jjetplane

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:44 #81847

    Badarse love that ****! keep up the good work! C- but still an improved effort. Good old angst .....

  54. John Gage

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:21 #81846

    @Jeff Wright: I honestly didn't see condescension from Wenger towards Klopp, if anything, I thought it was a lovefest of mutual admiration and respect !!! @Ron: Completely agree, Walcott is simply not consistent enough and should be sold.

  55. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:20 #81845

    B52 space cadet (aka Jamee) - Your cloying sycophantic support and love for your mate badarse conjures up an image of you and he getting properly acquainted in your shed of self-love. Mind you don't get splinters and creosote stains on your leather chaps and your buttox, especially when you're talking to each other out of them!

  56. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:13 #81844

    jw, a good description of OGL also heading home after the love shack party on Saturday night.

  57. B52's

    Jan 14, 2016, 17:06 #81843

    The love shack is rocking today, their incumbents full of themselves and what they would do if they were a manager. All nonsense. We are top of the league, yet many on here still feel it necessary to stick the boot in. Badarse questions a so called supporter, jj, for his inane remarks and still they continue to abuse and mimick, just like spoilt kids who always got what they wanted but nowadays can't understand or don't want to understand why this great football club is run properly and in a classy way. It is certainly nothing to do with the love shack inmates as their support and affection left the club years ago. The club doesn't need your sort and will continue to be a successful football club and will stuff your words down your throats soon enough. Tin roof....rusted.

  58. Alsace

    Jan 14, 2016, 16:51 #81842

    Jeff and Malbottom. He doesn't always get the subs wrong and he doesn't always get the timing wrong, but it's usually later than it should be if it's the right player to bring on. He doesn't understand the defensive value of offensive players. If he brings Gibbs on to bolster security, then I don't generally object because he can defend and can also cross the ball. Chambers or Arteta, saints preserve us. On a positive note, we do simply have more fighters in the side nowadays, and that has to be a good thing. As for substitutions, how marvellous would it be to have Guardiola picking the purchases in the next transfer window?

  59. Ron

    Jan 14, 2016, 16:51 #81841

    Campbell was subbed only because he was spent or at least it looked that way to me. Hes having to play out of his skin to get his selection. Hes a far better prospect than ever the Wally has been. I think he could have made a mess of Liverpools atrocious defence had he have been played more centrally last night. Giroud was given no support by the W.

  60. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 14, 2016, 16:21 #81840

    ArseneKB - think he's well past the self-examination required to get what you mean, as the most recent post proves: "Your pompous mention of philosophers and authors is vacuous", "there are quite a few cowards on this site". He can't see himself in his own words and actions (or lack of). "Why the acrimony?" As you say, cos he sets himself up as the 'arbiter of truth'. But as I say, lack of self-examination means he can't understand the points others are making.

  61. Badarse

    Jan 14, 2016, 16:06 #81839

    jj I'll turn it back on yourself-what is your point? You offer nothing beyond a lapdog loyalty to those you perceive as 'friends'-they are not you, are alone. You show acute disdain to anyone you consider an enemy, which are those who have a love of the club and a positive outlook. You toss in names and vague experiences as a validation of your status, but your best work is reserved for destructive work, and that is all a little bit nasty and snidey-like a 'boot' boy. You are locked into a love fest with Pires, but in equal measure locked into a repeat of how many times westlower visits Arsenal-this from someone who admits to enjoying Arsenal lose and vowing never to go again to watch-if you ever did-and a supposed absence of well over a decade. Does your point mean that those unable to go to Arsenal somehow do not fit your silly criteria? All those far away, foreign fans, disabled, blind, forced to work, skint? How understanding of you, how mature. The thrust of your mealy-mouthed and spiteful reproaches are based on sneering and an attempt at belittling others. Your pompous mention of philosophers and authors is vacuous-as I have stated before I met someone who had read Animal Farm and thought it just a funny book about animals-I place you in this category. How does anyone know that you are a fan of Arsenal? People like MARCUS are transparent, you wear a cloak which is a form of cowardice. The reason that the lack of courage is overlooked is because there are quite a few cowards on this site, so the status quo is predetermined. I would like to suggest that you have something to offer others but it seems not. Such a simple pleasure supporting a team, whether it be Arsenal or Eastbourne, why the acrimony? As my Mum might say, 'You need putting in a bag and shaking.' I have the bag, '5p to a local charity', do you have the time?

  62. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:46 #81838

    Badarse - You won't welcome me saying this (!) but I have to agree with others on here who found your post 86718 excruciatingly irritating. Stop setting yourself up as some arbiter of the truth - it annoys the feck out of people and will inevitably lead to your guff and gubbins coming under greater scrutiny again. Try a bit of diplomacy Mr Netanyahu...

  63. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:43 #81837

    Bard those are fair comments on the two managers subs with Wenger they are preplanned and take no account of circumstances and that was the case last night as well. Klopp switched to 4-4-2 to try and get the goal he needed and it worked - whereas Wenger had no tactical plan for our players to work on once the usual get forward and attack passing and possession was a busted flush . This not taking account of the way the opposition play and the fixed subs are typical arrogant Arsene -he never learns either and as they say those that do not learn from their past mistakes are doomed to relive them. Also , due to Wenger's out-dated training and fitness methods, our players were obviously not as fit as Klopps were despite them having put more energy into the game earlier and while the scousers finished strong our players dropped deeper and deeper backwards in the final 20 minutes. We needed to get the ball up field and keep it there - rather than have it flying about like a demented blue-bottle in our goal area. How Arteta was supposed to help out is something that only Wenger knows- he most likely though put him on to help get him 'fit' to play in the other tough games coming up! I doubt that Stoke and Chelsea will be trembling with trepidation at this prospect - or Barca either. You couldn't make it up.

  64. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:41 #81836

    jw, indeed and how many times did little technitions try to take the ball down around and INSIDE their own box with the pressure on, only to lose it and then look bewildered (with TOF looking just as bewildered on the line doing the penguin rap as if Liverpool players shouldn't have tackled them) instead of heading it away or booting it clear. I really don't blame some of the players, with proper coaching I've no doubt they would be much better that they are especially in the defending department, but as you say there's to many of them who are one trick ponies built in TOF's flaky image and that's why they're there.

  65. WENGER MUST GO ASAP AND SOME OF THESE ENGLISH PLAYERS(MARCUS)

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:34 #81835

    Well where do I start?? I'm going to start with the English players! I'm sorry but some of these English prima donnas make me sick namely Walcott, chamberlain and Gibbs and even sometimes ramsey even though he is welsh!! Their awful decision making is something to behold, their pure greed is also sicking!! This why England will not be winning any major honours for a long time!! It's the pure lack of football intelligence smh!! IF SOMEONE IS IN A BETTER POSITION THAN YOU GIVE HIM THE BALL!! I watched ozil make many great runs and he was never given the ball especially from these so called great English players I.e Walcott, chamberlain and even ramsey is sometimes guilty of this!! It's getting ridiculous and annoying too watch!! It's like they want the headlines and their names in the lights smh!! We need sanchez back ASAP!! He understands how football works and has very good decision making skills!! Walcott and chamberlain think that they are messi!! It's actually pathetic! Gibbs better get used too that bench as monreal is not getting dropped anytime soon. He along with kosicelny are our best defenders by miles!! Also why did Wenger not bring on Gabriel?? He bought on aretea smh !! This is a game we should have won and further proves we won't be winning the pl!! We now have a tough game at stoke away!! Than chelsea at home who will be up for it!!

  66. Bard

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:30 #81834

    mbg; I was baffled by the TV comments about the game. it was a 'cracking' exciting ' game. In a keystone cops way it was. The defending was so bad from both teams it could have ended up 8-8. Chris Waddle likened the PL to basketball and I think he is right. To score 3 goals away fro home and still only draw says it all. I posted a while ago that our defending was a shambles and was quoted that we had the best defensive record in the league !!!

  67. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:19 #81833

    West Cork Frank, spot on, a lot of fair results on here, my arse, the game was there for the taking (for both teams)if it wasn't for the usual gung ho tactics of OGL and his complete lack of knowledge of how to defend, and of course it rubs off on his players.

  68. Bard

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:08 #81831

    Jeff setting aside the argument about whether we should have won or not the game turned on the subs. Benteke and Allen came on and combined to score the goal. Ours did nothing to stem the tide. In fact we took off arguably our best player on the night Campbell. To my mind he should have pulled off Wally at half time. It was never a game where he could make a difference.

  69. jjetplane

    Jan 14, 2016, 15:07 #81830

    Baddie do you mean write 2000 words of C- 'stream of consciousness' followed by a Good Old Arsenal suffices. Served you well on and off here. What exactly is your point on here?

  70. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 14, 2016, 14:52 #81829

    I think making out that people grieving over the loss of such an innovator as Bowie means they saw him as having all the answers is totally disrespectful to his memory and what he means to people. A wider angle would incorporate some self-awareness. One worrying aspect of last night was Arteta coming on - he automatically makes the team weaker. The concern is that Wenger will keep bringing him on now he's fit. This seems likely.

  71. David

    Jan 14, 2016, 14:39 #81828

    Elneny is a gooner.

  72. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2016, 14:25 #81827

    Alsace, yes fixed substitutions by Wenger preplanned by him have throughout his long tenure with us often proven to be disasters.As soon as I saw Arteta taking off his track-suit top I knew that Liverpool would equalize. You couldn't make it up.Regarding the missing players I'm not convinced that this has made a great difference if any at all because with them in the side we have had bad results when the pressure was on. As you rightly say Wenger is responsible for the flaky confidence that our players display . Last night in was on show again with him and our players and his post match mumblings and persona is that of a specialist in failure at work . Just as well that 4th place is a trophy and success anything else required to keep his job would really crank things up for him.

  73. Badarse

    Jan 14, 2016, 14:22 #81826

    That's your trouble pseudo jj, you only see black and white, perhaps Notts County is your team? Have always wondered which it is. You want to think a little before hurling rocks fella, then you wouldn't seem so stupid, as your accusation of me dissing Bowie is outrageous. I also think you should try to get a wide angled view of things as all this Bobby Pires prostrating should be reserved for your hero on this site. Puerile. Why don't you offer a sensible post about Arsenal, or the game? Age isn't treating you too kindly, is it buddy?

  74. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:59 #81825

    You can be sure some would have taken a point before hand Ed, they usually do, but a decent defence for any one of the teams last night would have seen them coming away with all three, now where have we heard that before especially regarding Arsenal ? Is it any wonder OGL and Klopp seemed so Paley on the sidelines at times, with both teams going gung ho to try and score with no regards whatsoever to defending other than stick out a leg or an arse here or there in hope, although I don't know what he thought of his celebrations for the equaliser i'm sure it pissed him off, I don't know if there was a handshake or not or just a tap. And yes well done Leicester.

  75. jjetplane

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:59 #81824

    Baddie already dissing Bowie and being disrespectful because everyone ignores Baddie so he has to do his bit then get his custard pies and disappear into some darkside he thinks everyone else is in. Pure Plastic.

  76. Alsace

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:57 #81823

    Jeff. Agree with you about his judgment of players. Another player he underuses is Rosicky (when fit). Obviously don't agree with your secondary point. We could have slumped over the period when Coquelin and Sanchez were not there, and we haven't. It is true that we have not exploited the failings of others to take a decisive lead, but we aren't strong enough mentally to do that. That is one mark of Wenger's weakness. If we win the league this season it will be in the heart attack final moments and on the back of the team trying to deal with Wenger's errors, which at the moment, through lack of personnel seem to be limited to substitutions. Removing Campbell was bonkers last night. We are in with a chance, so while recognising the likelihood of OGL screwing it all up, I will be trying to enjoy the ride.

  77. Ron

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:51 #81822

    Draw was fair. Liverpool cd hae buried us in the first 25 mins. We played well after it went 2-2 for quite a while. Giroud was good but still missed the best chance of the match to score. Walcott was anonymous almost throughout save for allowing Liverpool to score first with his poor ball control out of defence. JC played well. Yet another match showing why the Wally could be sold. Wengers tactics were askew. Toure and Sacho were so bad, it was obvious that attacking them with balls down towards Liverpools defensive heart would be fruitful, yet we didnt do it enough. For 15 mins before it got to 3-3 it was easy to see it was coming. Same old, creaking, nervy Arsenal. Good match though.

  78. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:48 #81821

    I see that, incredibly, Badarse STILL feels he's in a position to judge others, and tell us 'the world is in a mess'. Some people are just incapable of learning a bit of humility when coming up against their own limitations - in his case a lack of courage to stand up for his principles regarding some of what makes this world a 'mess'. A total lack of self-awareness and therefore ability to learn and move on. Truly, you are in no position to judge. Think Luton Caesar could be right - Arsenal have no consistency and are riddled with the same flaws as ever but in this season, could carry on like this to the end and still flop over the line first.

  79. Snowbiggee

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:46 #81820

    Wenger's habit of picking teams and making substitutions based on hierachy within the club,rather than what's needed, may again come back to hurt him again. After another awful start,the draw was a decent result but do winning teams get away with giving the lead away in big games? Not often.

  80. mbg

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:25 #81819

    How many times have we heard that Ed? defeat from the Jaws of victory you could see it coming a mile away, bottlers, I wouldn't be surprised to hear from anybody at the match that you could see the Arsenal players shaking with fear, TOF was certainly doing it on the side lines. Of course it helped to have a defence as woeful as Liverpools, how we hope to win, or even fooking deserves to win the prem league with a defence like that is anyone's guess. Thank god the scousers have the same problem as we've had for the last nine seasons and have their own waiter and flappy in goals, and could someone please tell us what is the point of wally ? a complete waste of space, I've no doubt the only reason he is at the club is because of his children's books and it helps make the club look good, a waste of fresh air.

  81. Badarse

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:23 #81818

    Well there is intelligence out there but not as we know it jeff-you old space cadet you. Very good posts-Alsace many good and balanced points/ GoonerRon for endorsing. David, I liked your post too, Olly is in a similar category to those players I believe, and if he is then he is accompanied by a whole host of others like Joe Baker, David Herd et al. 24601 I concur with your post and mine is a 'twelver'-though I've got the string knotted again! I am not the biggest fan of Theo as you are aware, but I thought the lad did quite well last night, relatively speaking. I have long since come to expect a certain performance from him but was quite impressed by his early movement, the cross for the Olly miss, and just misjudging by a fraction that beautiful through ball by Mesut, which would have given him a clear run on goal. Some players have difficulty in hoofing the ball away-Ox has this problem and Theo did last night. However when it isn't punished we are all standing and cheering as we break from defence and have a quick counter. Think some need to let the scales drop from their eyes, then use them to weigh and balance things. The world has never been in such a mess yet everyone and his dad have simple solutions to everything-some even believe David Bowie did too.

  82. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:09 #81817

    Campbell is doing well but again this highlights Wenger's poor judgement and management because Cambell was forced onto Wenger by circumstances, as was le Coq , and not because Wenger wanted him.In fact in both cases, as with Flim Flam as well,Wenger wanted these players out and not in. Wenger is stumbling along like a drunk leaving a pub and using lampposts to lean on to try and find his way home.His after match interview last night revealed a man who knows that yet more failure awaits him .Sorry but I don't go along with the key players missing theory either.We have had similar or worse results this season with these players on parade .Also other sides such as City can make similar claims -it's roundabouts and swings.

  83. Barnaby

    Jan 14, 2016, 13:06 #81816

    I think chamberlains days are numbered if he doesn't put in skillful performances with work rate, I always feel safer when we have lots of runners in the team , like Sanchez, welbeck and Campbell etc. I have been saying for a while we should sell wilshere, Gibbs and chamberlain and get players that are not necessarily as good but will always be there and not injured

  84. GoonerRon

    Jan 14, 2016, 12:52 #81815

    Alsace - you make a couple of really good points. Likening Campbell to Freddie is an interesting point and I can totally see where you're coming from. Also, I was thinking back to how I felt towards the end of November when we lost Coq, Caz and Alexis within a week, and to navigate from then, through the festive period, to now and be where we are is a real achievement.

  85. Alsace

    Jan 14, 2016, 12:29 #81814

    Kevin, unusually, I don't agree with your analysis. This is not 2002-2003 when Rapunzel (our past it goalkeeper)virtually handed the title to Manch all on his own. The present situation is (gulp) somewhat more heroic. The team have been without three absolutely key players for 10 games or is it more ? I thought that there was no way we wouldn't collapse with only Flamini to do the midfield holding role. With the exception of Southampton, the performances have been those of a team digging in to get the results. Our team twice came back from being a goal down to take the lead at Anfield. That is astonishing in the context of recent seasons. Mr Campbell should have Walcott's place on Alexis return. He is physical, knows the weight of a pass, holds up the ball, controls it well, and crucially wants to win. He disrupts the other side when they are attacking. He is a thoroughgoing nuisance to the opposition. I am reminded slightly of one F.Ljunberg. Now we have to go to stoke. I don't want Mr Walcott even on the bench. Put him in the stiffs until needed or hungry. You have to be cruel to be kind and he needs a massive boot up the behind. We are still in the hunt and that is enormous fun.

  86. David

    Jan 14, 2016, 12:16 #81813

    A point is enough. For the striker debate, Giroud is as good as Radford, Kennedy or Smith- very good club footballer. And Joel Campbell is doing what Kevin Campbell and Anelka did in league winning seasons - surprise package.

  87. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Jan 14, 2016, 12:09 #81812

    In brief response to those that replied to my last post, I haven't turned a blind eye to any of the deficiencies of the past decade. The fact remains that in a season in which no team is superior, our lot could fiddle about like turnips from now until May and still lurch over the line flat on their faces with the trophy in hand. Leicester will have to play on or very close to their maximum to maintain their position, City are as schizoid as we are, and Spurs are Spurs....

  88. jeff wright

    Jan 14, 2016, 12:03 #81811

    This team is not fit enough with Wenger's out dated laissez faire training methods leaving the players short on fitness and they are not clever enough to win the title - only the ref not giving City a nailed on penalty last has prevented them from overtaking us .They inevitably will do though and even Leicester have joined us again at the top of the table again with us just having a narrow g/d over them.They have lost less games and scored more goals than us though .This puts our own flattering to deceive exploits into some perspective. Regarding not being clever enough one example of this last night was when late in the game with us desperately hanging on to our rather fortuitous 3-2 lead Monreal had a chance to take the ball into the corner in Liverpool's half - to waste some time and take off some pressure on our shaky defence - but chose instead to try and instigate an attack on Liverpool's goal that ended up with Liverpool regaining possession and resuming their onslaught on us to try and gain an equalizer . Which they did do shortly afterwards .We just do not do the simple things that are required at times 3-2 up with minutes left you have to hang-on in there and take the points.But this is Arsene Wenger's side built in his own image - very flaky and uncertain and one trick ponies. I noticed on TV when he arrived at Anfield that he looked smug and happy and was smiling and greeting young Klopp before kick-off in a condescending manner .The Liverpool team that Klopp fielded must have added to Arsene's confidence as well - however we were soon being out played and two goals down and Arsene was no longer smiling but as usual raving at the referee for some perceived injustices . Liverpool's comical defending and poor goal keeping got us back in the game though. I could have saved Ramsey's goal. Cech ,who has let in 9 goals in our last 5 league games is not the player he once was, although still obviously better than what we have for an alternative but it's all pie-in-the-sky that he will make 12 to 15 points difference - for starters he doesn't have the old Chelsea rear-guard and mid-field in front of him - apart from him also having got older and a bit slower. I have given Giroud some stick in the past and rightly so ,but he has stepped up a gear regarding his goal scoring this season -albeit he missed a good chance last night as well as scoring a good goal a top top striker would have netted both chances . The first goal credited to him though was clearly seen to be an own one by the Liverpool GK who was also at fault for letting Ramsey's shot in on his near post.So Stoke away and Chelsea at home in the league next up - we will have to play better to win those games than we have been doing because we have had more than our fair share of luck lately and luck is a transient thing that can't be relied on. I don't even want to think about what Barcelona might do to us. Good old Arsene.

  89. Tony Evans

    Jan 14, 2016, 12:01 #81810

    Nick - as you say the next two games are key: 6 points or 4 points would be a huge confidence builder for us as supporters (never mind the team) and a great indication we could cling on to top spot right through to the 38 game mark. Failure in both games would tell us all we need to know (and most of us fear) that we still don't cut the mustard at the very top. I thought last night's result was encouraging and disappointing in equal measure and still leaves many questions unanswered - apart from Campbell keeping his place at the expense of Wally or The Ox. Fingers crossed that Elneny is available for the match on Sunday - we will probably need him.

  90. Win this open league

    Jan 14, 2016, 11:43 #81809

    @website editor It was Walcott who crossed for Giroud's missed tap in at 2-2 not Bellerin. Get Gabriel in on Sunday (Wenger could drop either Mertesacker or Koscielny as their defending is as bad as the others).

  91. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 14, 2016, 11:38 #81808

    Let's see how the Mancs get on at Anfield on Sunday, that might give us a better indication of what kind of a result last night was. In recent memory I can recall us letting in injury time goals at Anfield in 2002/3 (2-2), 2004/5 (1-2), 2008/9 (4-4), last season (2-2) and again last night. Historically, of all the so-called Big Four we are the ones who seem to be hit by late late goals more than any of the others. Perhaps some anorak could dig out the stats.

  92. Nick

    Jan 14, 2016, 11:37 #81806

    I would have taken a draw before the game Liverpool always up their game vs us, no matter their previous form, so it was no surprise that they came flying out of the blocks while we contributed to their efforts by being second to almost every ball, Walcott should have whacked the ball up pitch instead he tried to run out with stumbled and lost possession which led to their opener, it was our passing and decision making which let us down last night, and I knew we needed a fourth goal to secure the win, again Walcotts football brain was switched to the off position as was Chamberlains' when he came on , it WAS a mistake to take off Campbell his defensive work was almost immediately missed. We do not seem able to strike a happy medium between defending or going gung ho, neither of which by itself is ideal when protecting a lead, we either charge forward seeking a killer strike or retreat like a tortoise into its shell,inviting constant pressure, to my mind we have rode our luck since losing Le Coq, his absence has been telling in our displays of late, you cant keep the ball if you don't have it. I head Tony Adams speaking about out defense on tv the other week he made the point that STOPPING,, crosses into our box was paramount to not conceding, yet we seem happy to let the ball come in before dealing with it , or not as the case often is , this is not down to individuals but to the coaching and drilling of our team as a defensive unit! At least we didn't fold as we did at Southampton and it was a battling performance, one not suited however to Ozils liking, if we want to win the title at some point we MUST capitalize on our rivals slip ups something we consistently fail to do, our next two games will tell us if this side has what it takes to be champions, six points would be an indicator we can do it, capitulation at Stoke and another failure to beat the odious chavs will prove we have not got what it takes !

  93. Westlower

    Jan 14, 2016, 11:31 #81805

    @WeAreBuilding, How many teams would have come back the way Arsenal did after Liverpool's opening onslaught? We're disappointed to draw at Anfield, surely a sign of progress? Statistically, there have been more 90+ minute goals (16 in total) in this fixture than any other in the PL. For those of you who detest football being played on the front foot, best get yourselves off to OT.

  94. Charles

    Jan 14, 2016, 11:03 #81804

    Luton End: The perspective is that we haven't won the league since 2004, in the period since then we have been top several times and drawn games we should have won by letting in late equalizers. The manager has been unable to prevent this from happening and that is why we have become famous for finishing 4th, not for winning the league.

  95. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:55 #81803

    ITLEWCF: we are fed up because it happens over and over and over again. By teatime on Saturday night we will be 3rd in the table and needing a result at Stoke, all because our manager yet again was found wanting tactically. This is not a very good Liverpool team remember.

  96. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:42 #81802

    Apart from Real Madrid, I'm pushed to think of another fan base that would want the manager gone whilst top of their domestic league. Having read some of the replies, I had to double check the article to see that it wasn't about Terry Neill's team in the autumn of 1983. This team isn't at the level of GG's 1991 outfit or AW's 2001-2004 team, granted, but all the same...perspective, ladies and gents. Added to which, I'm quite amused by the idea of the home match against Leicester shaping as a title decider...

  97. Roy

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:38 #81801

    Thought Campbell was superb last night. I'd go so far as to say that if he hadn't been subbed, we'd have won.

  98. West Cork Frank

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:25 #81800

    Same old story AGAIN. Koscielny swerves out of the way of a waist high shot for Liverpool's second goal, Mertesacker, hands covering his chin avoids any attempt to get near the ball for their equaliser. What cowards who simply do not do what they are paid very well for and what any of us would do for free. Give me Scott Dann instead of both of those bottlers. We haven't had true fight, courage and leadership for to many years to remember- WENGER OUT

  99. John F

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:18 #81799

    I would of taken a point after the opening exchanges i was fearing another Southampton we really missed le coq again.Campbell must surely displace Wally now with him,Sanchez and Elnany who apparently has a good engine we might just have a very hard working midfield also Gabriel for BFG who might be exposed against Stoke.I read this is An field for a different perspective on the game and they felt that Liverpool were getting nowhere in the second half up to the Arsenal substitutions which upset the balance of our side and let them in.Did anyone read that Elnany may have to do national service for a year in Egypt before he is thirty.

  100. Fozzy

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:16 #81798

    Yet again we were let down by our two luxury players, Walnutt and Ozil, who failed to appear when it really mattered.

  101. Torbay gooner

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:13 #81797

    Cracking game and a draw probably the fairest result. Giroud worked hard throughout the game and superb 2nd goal almost cancelled out one of the misses of the season. I have to agree with you Jimmy, in that Campbell deserves his place in the team far more than Walcott and the Ox. Walcott's last decent games were against Man Utd/Leicester back in Sept/Oct. I would sell the pair of them in the summer and reinvest back in the team.

  102. Dan h

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:10 #81796

    Great contribution from Campbell keep him in the team especially away from home when Alexis is fit because at least he will put in a hard working shift.Draw fair result overall but what strange substitions from OGL especially Arteta coming on.Gabriel or Chambers would of been far better to at least cope with the ariel pressure.Arteta's legs have totally gone WBA away all the evidence needed let alone last nights cameo.

  103. Charles

    Jan 14, 2016, 10:06 #81795

    Crap result, for the second year running at Anfield and for the millionth time ever, we've been leading a game after 85 minutes and managed to end the game level. The manager continues to let his teams throw away 2 points and this culture of failure is why we never win the league. WENGER OUT.

  104. Jamerson

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:53 #81794

    Ordinary result yet a fighting performance,every team we play away from home till the end of the season will treat the game as their cup final,especially Stoke on Sunday..

  105. Westlower

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:52 #81793

    I must confess to being filled with anxiety as L'pool started the game like an express train. By not playing with a CF they outnumbered us in midfield & ran the show until our first equaliser. I consoled myself with the knowledge that they wouldn't maintain that frenetic pace throughout the game. Was Theo unlucky to stumble or naive in bringing the ball away leading up to the opening goal? The 2 papers I've read both gave him 8/10 making him our 2nd best player - really? Our first goal was vintage Ramsey, he really does get in some dangerous areas & might have added a 2nd later on. Firmano will never score another goal like his 2nd. Giroud's open goal miss would have been a goal 9 times out of 10. He deserved a hat-trick for his efforts. Campbell has really seized his opportunity & has earned his place - what a trier. Monreal was again our best defender. Cech has had better games. AFC have a good recent record at Anfield by losing only 3 times from the last 13 games there. Wish I could say the same for the Britannia (won 1 from last 9), where we need to come away with at least a draw, then beat CFC at the Emirates.

  106. Jimmy

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:50 #81792

    Did we ever think we would see the day when we would say Campbell is better than both Walcott and the Ox but that is the truth now.Walcott was awful again and i have kittens when i see the Ox come on.He's gone backwards big time.Sanchez will walk back into the team but its Walcott who has to make way not Joel.So the last two away games 7 goals conceded and only one point .Now is the time to make a major signing but as in 2008 stubborn Wenger will blow the title again by not strengthening

  107. Andy

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:31 #81791

    The best and worse of Giroud two goals but THAT MISS

  108. Rob

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:19 #81790

    5 points form the last 5 away matches and 7 conceded in the last two doesn't fill me with confidence!

  109. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:15 #81789

    Last night is why we won't ever win another title under OGL because we allow teams to equalize too much. Why should you have to score four goals to win a game? It's getting tiresome, been there, done that, got the t shirt.

  110. Charlie George Orwell

    Jan 14, 2016, 9:00 #81787

    Well said, Kevin. Another point secured from the three that should have been. It was the years old issue of poor quality in depth and the ongoing inconvenient problem that when an opposing team refuses to lie down and surrender– regardless of their form or league location – we always need a two goal cushion. Towards the end I presume it was felt that the Ox, Gibbs and Arteta would provide the much needed relief and resolve necessary to secure the spoils. But rather than the cavalry swooping over the hill to save the day, we instead got straw dogs being quite obviously overwhelmed.

  111. GoonerRon

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:57 #81786

    A whole range of emotions experienced through the game. Great courage to get back level twice and go on to take the lead but inevitable frustration at the last minute equaliser, followed by a dose of relief at the other results. Given we've ticked off one of our tough away games and haven't conceded ground to the other chasers (aside from Leicester who I don't know what to make of to be honest) it was a semi-successful night on balance. Great atmosphere in the away end too.

  112. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:57 #81785

    Thanks Kevin. After we got it back to 2-2, that game should have been put away. My overriding feelings are annoyance tinged with a sense of regret (poor old me!) and I don't agree that a draw up there is a creditable result these days. None of their better players was on duty last night, e.g. coutinho or skrtel and their other stars have been sold. Moreover, their gk is poor. The boys' reaction to the draw also suggests that they too felt annoyed which is positive. A win would have allayed deployment of the f-word in the run-up to stoke (and any post match temptations to use it if we lose/draw again). The big surprise for me was scoring on our first meaningful attack. Apart from a very early feo goal somewhere last year (Palace?), that seemed to me like a very rare but welcome occurence. Feo was well below par and was at fault for their first goal - Campbell's in-the-box passing is exemplary and is likely to make him a future assist king. Shame that Giroud missed that open goal but it wasn't for lack of trying. His second was an absolute peach. For me, a question of "What If". Despite some terrible defending by both teams (Kolo has really jumped the shark as a defender) we really should have won that - just like last year.

  113. Bard

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:52 #81784

    That was a great point, never mind losing 3. We were never in control of the game and for long periods were completely overrun. The Ramsey/Flamster axis was about as solid as a soggy pudding. It comes to something when Campbell is our most effective defensive midfielder. Wally was next to useless. He has scored 1 goal in 12 games. surely his time is up. In a game like last nights he is a massive liability he was culpable for at least one if not two of their goals. Terrific from Giroud apart from the sitter he missed. We need to tighten up defensively if we are to make a fist of a challenge.

  114. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:48 #81783

    How many assists has Campbell now? That boy has a wonderful eye for that killer pass and his work rate is tremendous. Thought their keeper could have saved two of our goals and Cech should have stopped one of theirs. I see the new force in North London slipped up again!

  115. Tony Evans

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:33 #81782

    Would have gladly taken a point beforehand so even though it is always disappointing to concede late on the result was probably a fair reflection of the game.

  116. Badarse

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:18 #81781

    Yes, I was one who would have taken the point beforehand. I had it down as 1-1 but am telling myself that 3-3 is even better in the long run-need those goals 'for'. Olly superb what 'carthorse' power! It didn't roll for Theo last night and Joel is making the comparison between them odious. Aaron's game is a non-stop burn, and he just isn't fit enough yet, or on the other occasions when returning from injuries. His tank starts to run on empty in latter stages of a game, and he then drifts away from key focussing moments. Difficult for a 'Mister Perpetual Motion' to adjust their game and this is a flaw in the player's make up. Two games-two goals and the lad is getting back to where he needs to be, then perhaps those key moments won't occur. Overall, despite the disappointment of the late equaliser it was a good round of fixtures. Seventeen games to go and only eight away-seven after Sunday-that game is the hurdle we need to concentrate on, clear it and things will look a whole lot brighter.

  117. Wear Your Colours

    Jan 14, 2016, 8:08 #81780

    Very nice summary Kev, not much to add. Campbell gave a storming performance and Giroud's second goal was sublime. Onto the Potteries for what I envision will be another frenetic game. COYG!