The Ox… he ain’t no Ozil

Online Ed: Arsenal lacking creativity at Stoke



The Ox… he ain’t no Ozil


Mesut Ozil missed yesterday’s trip to the Britannia with a foot inflammation injury, Arsene Wenger informed us before the game. Whether or not Ozil would have been able to make his customary contribution to Arsenal’s efforts against Stoke we will never know. There is a school of thought that in the more physical matches, he loses interest. However, there is no doubt that the Gunners lacked the creativity he brings playing behind Olivier Giroud.

Alex Oxade-Chamberlain played there instead. He had a couple of decent efforts, one blocked by Koscielny, but overall, his display was disappointing. In mitigation, he has been played in three different positions since his return from injury. It might even be four as I cannot recall if he has played left side attacker as well. It cannot be easy to find your rhythm if you keep getting switched around, although that is no excuse for rank poor passes which either go out of play or to an opposition player. The Ox made a few of these yesterday.

It was decided that it was not worth the risk of Alexis Sanchez even travelling to be an option from the bench. He too was a big miss yesterday, as his tenacity would have added a lot to the team in this kind of match. Tellingly, Wenger only used one substitution until right at the death, Iwobi for Walcott, although if his side managed to forge a lead before Calum Chambers 89th minute entry, one suspects two defensive players would have entered the fray a bit earlier.

Stoke now play with greater flair than the Tony Pulis days. Peter Crouch can’t get in the starting eleven and Rory Delap is a distant memory from yesteryear. However, they can be cynical, no question about that, with tactical fouls. The traditional welcome from the home crowd when Arsenal come calling also fires up their players, even those unaware of the history of this fixture who might wonder why Aaron Ramsey is singled out for attention. A caller to the BBC Radio 5Live ’606’ phone-in explained that the Welshman is the target for abuse because he apparently refused to accept the apology of Ryan Shawcross for breaking his leg. The temerity of the man. A public flogging would be too good for him…

Anyway, Stoke were a little more industrial than one might have expected if for no better reason than that the absent Shaquiri was replaced by Jonathan Walters. It was a relatively uneventful first half. Giroud had a great chance after Campbell’s through ball but Butland saved well. The Ox has the aforementioned couple of attempts on goal. But it was by and large a game waiting to get going.

After the interval it certainly did that. Giroud almost scored with a header from a corner, forcing another great save from Butland. It became end to end stuff, and were Arsenal at home, a couple of very valid penalty claims for Giroud and Walcott might have been awarded. But there are different rules at the Britannia.

Cech pulled off a wonder double save as Stoke gave as good as they got. Arsenal’s defending yesterday needs a mention. Yes, it was a difficult afternoon, and yes, at times, they looked on the rack, but a clean sheet is a clean sheet and it wasn’t merely good fortune. The Gunners were more resilient at this stadium than they generally have been in the past. Koscielny did make a couple of bad passes, but that is almost a given these days.

Aside from the penalty shout, Walcott’s contribution was minimal, so why he looked so bemused when replaced by Alex Iwobi is beyond me. Iwobi made much more of a contribution in his time on the field. He might have been better coming on for the Ox, as there was so much space in the latter stages, the game was crying out for someone in Ozil’s position who could pass efficiently.

Arsene Wenger, realising the increased significance of this game after dropping two points at Liverpool, was very animated on the touchline. I have a recollection that in this fixture last season, he did not leave the bench. The Ox finally made a decent pass in the last ten minutes that set Campbell up for an attempt at goal, but he fired high and wide. Otherwise, the Costa Rican had a fairly decent game in terms of his contribution to the cause. No question that Cech was the team’s standout player though.

This was confirmed by the late scare from a corner, when Ramsey headed off the line and Cech saved the follow up with his foot. A point at Stoke is no disaster, but psychologically, defeat would have been tough to take.

New boy Mohammed Elneny was not risked. Hardly a surprise. This was really a case of welcome to the Premier League – watch and learn. I doubt the football in the Swiss League is anywhere near as intense. He might get a run out from the bench against Chelsea for a few minutes, depending on the state of the match, but will surely have to wait until the visit of Burnley in the FA Cup for his first start. Whether or not he can do the job that Coquelin did is one for the future, although to hope he can fill that role in his first dozen or so matches and propel the club to silverware is a huge ask for a player who has zero experience of the Premier League.

I am not expecting any further signings, although a judicious pair of £10-£15 million buys might make a huge difference, on the assumption that the likes of Wilshere, Welbeck, Coquelin and Cazorla will not be back in time to play a significant role this season.

As for where Arsenal stand right now, they are still top of the pile after negotiating two difficult away matches. Four points were dropped, but the clubs around them have not been perfect either. Manchester City and Tottenham recorded convincing home wins on Saturday, whilst Leicester remain an enigma. No doubt it is a strange season. Perhaps, these closer contests without the more moneyed clubs running away with it are the shape of things to come. And that can only be good for the game.

The Gunners need to maintain an unbeaten run, and although dropping four points is not ideal, at least they did not suffer defeat. Chelsea at home next week though is a game where they need to get back to winning ways. After that, they have a series of winnable fixtures until the visit to Old Trafford at the end of February. Let us hope that they put together a good run and remain where they are now by the time they face Louis Van Gaal’s men.

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  1. mbg

    Jan 20, 2016, 14:26 #82138

    TJ, was van dar sar from at Fulham not talked about, looked at, considered, and looked at again, discussed, and looked at again, before man u stepped in ? and look what happened there.

  2. jjetplane

    Jan 20, 2016, 12:17 #82129

    Far far away fan let us get a petition to get Eboue back. The guy is now a maturer man and is ready to drive this club of bed wetters to ultimate glory in the greatest league in the world. He has energy, happiness and a perverse bravado in bucketfuls .... Forget Coq, Joel - this is the final piece/countdown dada lat da da da dah ..... Loving Sky, loving the soccer speeeerit, loving Eboue .... Enough of the moanies!

  3. Ron

    Jan 20, 2016, 10:08 #82124

    Re Almunia - I ll always recall his performance at OT in the CL first leg. He was brilliant that night. A 1-0 loss that could and should have been 5-0 if not for him. On a good day he was capable but on a bad day, the lad was awful.PS Please bring the real Badarse back. His troll doesn't near cut it. Im sure the Rt Rev Badarse MH Hons (Cantab) will be back to sort his stalker out soon. He ll perhaps be honoured to have one!

  4. Mick Jones

    Jan 20, 2016, 9:21 #82119

    Westlower - you may be right Badarse's troll actually writes better poetry. I did think it was a step up from his usual efforts

  5. Westlower

    Jan 20, 2016, 9:08 #82117

    Thank you & muchas gracias for my b-day wishes. That is not Badarse posting.

  6. GoonerRon

    Jan 20, 2016, 8:40 #82116

    @mbg - are you there? I'm still desperate to hear from you on when the league table lies....

  7. Professor Yaffle

    Jan 20, 2016, 8:37 #82115

    meta A term, especially in art, used to characterize something that is characteristically self-referential moaner a person given to excessive complaints and crying and whining grumbler, sniveller, squawker, whiner, bellyacher, complainer, crybaby Meta+Moaner=Badarse!

  8. Mick Jones

    Jan 20, 2016, 7:29 #82114

    Roll up roll up for the Badarse comeback tour!!! Yeahhhhh

  9. Far far away fan

    Jan 20, 2016, 5:30 #82113

    Eboue is seeking a return to Arsenal. Wouldn't that be the best thing? He has got plenty of speeerit. hahahaha

  10. Badarse

    Jan 19, 2016, 23:22 #82112

    Oh I loathe ye wobs yet Arsene From the day that I first knew you, Your heart was pure and kind; Your smile was sweet and innocent, Your wit was well refined. The sparkle in your eyes was keen, Your friendship fast and real; Soft words were your virtue, And humor your appeal. We grew as friends together, We laughed and shared our dreams; Along the way crush or two, Went unrevealed, it seems. As years rolled on, our paths were split, Our roads went separate ways; We each pursued our interests, That occupied our days. We soon forgot our youthful bliss, Of tender carefree years; We didn't talk or keep in touch, Throughout life's pain and tears. Then my darkest hour came, And tried me to my core; To save my heart from ruin, I closed and locked the door. Then out of every nowhere, With precise directed cue; An old familiar smile, Came slowly into view. Although much time was gone, And the die of fate long cast; It was as if we hadn't missed, A second of the past. You listened with attentive care, And reassured my mind; That loving hearts are still alive, With purpose and design. Deep inside I've locked way, Emotions yet untold; As time goes on, and bonds grow strong, They will all unfold. So thank you, friend, for taking time, To demonstrate your love; It's yet another blessing that, I'm undeserving of. Better than conversing with the dark moaney mingers,More than putting another man on the moon, more than a New Year's resolution of yogurt and yoga, we need the opportunity to dance with really exquisite strangers. A slow dance between the couch and dining room table, at the end of the party, while the other person we love has gone to bring the car around because it's begun to rain and would break their heart if any part of us got wet. A slow dance to bring the evening home, to knock it out of the park. Two people rocking back and forth like a buoy. Nothing extravagant. A little music. An empty bottle of whiskey. It's a little like cheating. Your head resting on her shoulder, your breath moving up her neck. Your hands along her spine. Her hips unfolding like a cotton napkin and you being to think about how all the stars in the sky are dead. The my body is talking to your body slow dance. The Unchained Melody, Stairway to Heaven, power-chord slow dance. All my life I've made mistakes. Small and cruel. I made my plans. I never arrived. I ate my food. I drank my wine. The slow dance doesn't care. It's all kindness like children before they turn four. Like being held in the arms of my brother. The slow dance of siblings. Two men in the middle of the room. When I dance with her, one of my great loves, she is absolutely human, and when she turns to dip me or I step on her foot because we are both leading, I know that one of us will die first and the other will suffer. The slow dance of what's to come and the slow dance of insomnia pouring across the floor like bath water. When the woman I'm sleeping with stands naked in the bathroom, brushing her teeth, the slow dance of ritual is being spit into the sink. There is no one to save us because there is no need to be saved. I've hurt you. I've loved you. I've mowed the front yard. When the stranger wearing a shear white dress covered in a million beads comes toward me like an over-sexed chandelier suddenly come to life, I take her hand in mine. I spin her out and bring her in. This is the almond grove in the dark slow dance. It is what we should be doing right now. Scraping for joy. The haiku and honey. The orange and orangutan slow dance.Good old Arsenal

  11. mbg

    Jan 19, 2016, 23:04 #82111

    jw, indeed mate deluded or what, and what about all the rest past and present, it just proves what a lot of us have said over the years and still do, he hasn't/hadn't a fooking clue. And lets say for the sake of argument he did know all along he was third rate and still stuck with him anway it again proved/proves what a lot of fans have been also saying about him for years that he's a egoistic, arrogant, know it all, won't be told fraud of a manager.

  12. A Cornish Gooner

    Jan 19, 2016, 22:45 #82110

    It could be worse Bard. Apparently Arsenal sent scouts to a youth game in Kent to watch a possible understudy for Cech. Unfortunately the keeper turned out to be a seventy year old ringer with a gammy knee. Webster said that despite the target signing's age and injury he has bags of experience, is extremely confident, can head the ball and most importantly he is cheap.

  13. Nick T

    Jan 19, 2016, 22:27 #82109

    Absolutely spot on Bard!!

  14. Bard

    Jan 19, 2016, 21:55 #82108

    Amos; i understand the argument that Almunia might have been perceived as having potential as with Fabianski and Chesney. I accept that Wenger took a punt on all three but he was proved wrong on all 3 accounts. His intransigence cost us. But keepers are relatively cheap so the argument that the club couldnt afford a proper one is irrelevant. His very recent comments contradict his actions. if he really believes/believed that you cant win a Pl without a top class keeper then it makes a mockery of his record in signing them. You could argue that our relative success is down to Cech and he only came to us because of geography and Courtois. Whichever way you spin it Wenger has been a disaster with the keeper situation. What I seriously take issue with is that he spins luck and chance into wisdom and knowledge in order to elevate himself into some kind of footballlng shaman. He is as much Forest Gump as he is visionary.

  15. TJ

    Jan 19, 2016, 21:45 #82107

    Schwarzer would not have cost much and although he wasn't world class he hardly ever made mistakes. To say the same of Almunia is just the symptom of fanboyism, at best.

  16. Amos

    Jan 19, 2016, 21:17 #82106

    Almunia had been at Arsenal for 3 seasons before he got ahead of Jens - and even then only after Jens had made a couple of really poor howlers at the start of the 2007-2008 season. Jens had been first pick even for virtually the whole of the 2006/2007 season following his sending off in the CL final so whether Almunia was at fault for either of the goals in the CL final or not it didn't result in him replacing Jens. My post doesn't describe Almunia as a 'top class keeper' Bard it just considers that he was a half decent one for a period hence some, mainly outside the club, were contemplating a role for him as an England keeper. That might seem sillier now than it did to some outside the club back then but nonetheless his stats for a season or so put him in the top 6 or so in the PL at the time. Fulham tried to sting us for Schwarzer who wasn't really any better than Almunia and has never been the 'world class' option some are now claiming was available to us. The point being that claiming Wenger had unquestioning confidence in Almunia as a keeper for some 5 years or so misrepresents what really went on.

  17. jeff wright

    Jan 19, 2016, 20:24 #82105

    Amos,Almunia was bought by Wenger to replace Jens and when he was sent off in Paris in Wenger's, and arguably AFC's biggest ever final, 'the waiter'replaced him and in many supporters view let in two goals late in the game that a better and more experienced GK would have saved. Despite this, and years of further ineptitude from the Spaniard, Wenger obstinately stuck with the clown even at one point ludicrously making him captain! You couldn't make it up. As others have pointed out better gk's were available but skinflint Arsene the accountant refused to buy them preferring to stick with Almunia whom he had got for nothing due to a debt that was owed by his former club to AFC. Wenger's known for doing stupid things like this and stuck with Flappy and his fellow Pole Chesnay as well despite those pair also being calamity Joe's always an accident waiting to happen. Sannogoals being put out in a important CL game against BM with Giroud left on the bench echoed the league cup final v Chelsea when our genius preferred French wonder kid ( well wonder why he was with us for 5 years that is) Alialder (sic) was played instead of RVP and Swiss Tony up against Drogba instead of Gallas. Is it any wonder that so many of us doubt that Wenger will win the league this season. Anyway, you carry carry on believing and dreaming up excuses for him. But don't say you were not warned! C'est la vie!

  18. Bard

    Jan 19, 2016, 19:00 #82104

    Amos I dont understand the point of the post other than correcting jeffs timeframe. Almunia was a muppet period. You arent seriously suggesting he was a to0 class keeper.

  19. TJ

    Jan 19, 2016, 18:53 #82103

    @Amos Mark Schwarzer was available for about £4 million but Wenger refused to pay that much.

  20. Badarse

    Jan 19, 2016, 18:47 #82102

    Better than conversing with the dark moaney mingers,More than putting another man on the moon, more than a New Year's resolution of yogurt and yoga, we need the opportunity to dance with really exquisite strangers. A slow dance between the couch and dining room table, at the end of the party, while the other person we love has gone to bring the car around because it's begun to rain and would break their heart if any part of us got wet. A slow dance to bring the evening home, to knock it out of the park. Two people rocking back and forth like a buoy. Nothing extravagant. A little music. An empty bottle of whiskey. It's a little like cheating. Your head resting on her shoulder, your breath moving up her neck. Your hands along her spine. Her hips unfolding like a cotton napkin and you being to think about how all the stars in the sky are dead. The my body is talking to your body slow dance. The Unchained Melody, Stairway to Heaven, power-chord slow dance. All my life I've made mistakes. Small and cruel. I made my plans. I never arrived. I ate my food. I drank my wine. The slow dance doesn't care. It's all kindness like children before they turn four. Like being held in the arms of my brother. The slow dance of siblings. Two men in the middle of the room. When I dance with her, one of my great loves, she is absolutely human, and when she turns to dip me or I step on her foot because we are both leading, I know that one of us will die first and the other will suffer. The slow dance of what's to come and the slow dance of insomnia pouring across the floor like bath water. When the woman I'm sleeping with stands naked in the bathroom, brushing her teeth, the slow dance of ritual is being spit into the sink. There is no one to save us because there is no need to be saved. I've hurt you. I've loved you. I've mowed the front yard. When the stranger wearing a shear white dress covered in a million beads comes toward me like an over-sexed chandelier suddenly come to life, I take her hand in mine. I spin her out and bring her in. This is the almond grove in the dark slow dance. It is what we should be doing right now. Scraping for joy. The haiku and honey. The orange and orangutan slow dance.Good old Arsenal

  21. Amos

    Jan 19, 2016, 18:35 #82101

    Almunia might have been at the club for 5 years but he was back up for most of that time. It was 2007-2008 his 3rd season with the club before he was given a run and actually did quite well in that time. So much so that it was Capello who at the time was encouraging him to give for English citizenship so that he could be considered for the England spot which admittedly might say as much about the English keepers at the time as it does about Almunia. Nonetheless he was a half decent keeper for a time. It's also worth bearing in mind that he was keeper over the 3 seasons in which Arsenal debts had reached their highest levels. Competing for world class keepers was a difficult as holding onto the world class players we had.

  22. jeff wright

    Jan 19, 2016, 16:32 #82100

    mbg ,it was obvious also that Wenger really believed the nonsense that he spouted about Almunia and he stuck with him ,despite all of the evidence that the clown was just not good enough, for 5 long years .So for one quarter of his 20 YEAR ( YAWN) tenure with us Wenger had a clown in goal and other ones for back up to him . All rather disturbing really. You couldn't make it up..... jj, these Jamie Carragher and co pre-match and post-ones snore-fests are strictly for insomniacs - the whole boring charade descended into unintentional comedy ( always the best this ask Badass about it) when Brendan Rodgers was on with him Monday night discussing Liverpool's inability to defend properly . Seeing that Rodgers is the main culprit for that problem himself this is like asking Gordon Brown's advice on why the UK ended up with trillions of debt when he ran the show. I await Graham's next circular if things go wrong on Sky Super Sunday for Arsene rationalizing why in fact Arsene is actually pulling up trees and we should all just be happy that we have him leading us to glory.

  23. Bard

    Jan 19, 2016, 16:20 #82099

    Happy birthday Westie; a good age and still time to make the switch. The wob love shack bash has so far had 2m hits on Youtube most of them complimentary but also a few unpleasant ones. Arthur posted that he might come next year but only if the price comes down. Have a good one tomorrow.

  24. mbg

    Jan 19, 2016, 15:58 #82098

    Westie, you may have a point, he's here now even though it did take ten years, but it's still only a stop gap, we're going to have the same problem again sooner rather than later, and as someone has pointed out what if he gets injured. Any way have a good birthday tomorrow and have a Guinness on me. Although we're not the same age and might not agree on much, our birthdays were quite close mine was a fortnight ago.

  25. mbg

    Jan 19, 2016, 15:32 #82096

    jw, yes TOF reckoned the waiter was world class and could play for England, did you see the look and grin on Ray Clemence face when he was told/asked about it ? Hilarious. That's the problem with our players and has been for years, TOF keeps telling them and everybody else that will listen (and there's plenty of those type)including the press (although they're not as easily fooled)that they're top top qualitee, the best, world class and of course as we know if you tell someone that for long enough they believe him, when in reality their carthorses and second raters.

  26. jjetplane

    Jan 19, 2016, 15:32 #82097

    Happy 69 for WEstIe (matron...) and who can name the celeb gooner who loved that Bee Gees disco drum sound? Other breaking news has Jack W without a silly hat/jeans or half drunk bottle doing the rounds at children's hospitals. The title chase gathers momentum with that 'new signing' as it appears the other one Arthur was to sign seems to prefer the Kings Road. Fun shots of AB at the bridge when Chelsky were 2 nil to the bad and for therapy looked like he was playing Candy Crush with a few million. Eboue is looking for a move back to Arthur's so could that be another new signing? Nothing like ambition to interrupt a SKY Sofa Siesta and now Shearer is rating Arsenal, what could possibly go wrong?

  27. Ron

    Jan 19, 2016, 15:31 #82095

    Yes Westie, R I P Glen Frey. Great songs indeed. Jaunary s a bad month for 70s rockers for sure. Lemmy started it all didnt he.

  28. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 19, 2016, 15:09 #82094

    Westie- Feliz cumpleanos amigo. Have good one.

  29. mbg

    Jan 19, 2016, 15:02 #82093

    Exeter, of course it is he has that many monikers he doesn't know if he's coming or going, I suggest he should wear his baseball cap the right way around.

  30. Bard

    Jan 19, 2016, 14:41 #82092

    Game Changer; I agree, every day people come on the site moaning about the posters and these moaners never post anything else bar a moan about the moaners. Im all for analysis and opinions myself. You have to love the Boss. He says we will have a few of our seriously injured back in a few months. Well thats more than 2 months so if we are optimistic lets say 3 months that takes us to April. So not sure quite what he thinks they will contribute as the season ends in May.

  31. Westlower

    Jan 19, 2016, 14:29 #82091

    @Ron & AKB, We were on holiday in USA in 1979 when disco was all the rage. What a sight we must have been trying to outdo the Yanks in disco dancing. Just call me Tony Manero, but there's only one JT and he doesn't play for the Chavs. I used to strut around in my "Eat your heart out - I'm married" t-shirt. Conceited or what?

  32. Westlower

    Jan 19, 2016, 14:15 #82090

    @Ron The bookies reckon it'll end 1-1. You can get 10/1 about 0-0. I favour 2-1 at 8/1. Any win will do nicely for my b-day present. Give it another 8-10 weeks and we'll organize a rehearsal, altogether now - I've paid my dues, time after time, I've done my sentence but committed no crime. And bad mistakes I've made a few, I've had my share of sand kicked in my face but I've come through.... Sad to hear about the early death of Glen Frey, guitarist with the Eagles. Many memorable songs! Take It Easy, Gooners.

  33. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 19, 2016, 14:09 #82089

    Westie - Hmmm - based on that, don't give up the betting, even if Cowell tries to convince you that your opus is a potential chart-topper. Nevertheless, respect is due for having a go, not least because the original is a classic. BTW, I was always fond of the Odyssey adaptation, "I'm a native North Banker" - one of yours perhaps? I'd pay serious money to see you try to get that little ditty going among the luddites at the wok. Oh, hang on everyone already does pay (very) serious money to sit in hermetically sealed silence don't they? Might go and put my vinyl SNF album on now...

  34. Badarse

    Jan 19, 2016, 13:02 #82088

    Ha ha ha he he he I'm a laughing gnome and you can't catch me.

  35. Ron

    Jan 19, 2016, 12:41 #82087

    Hi Westie. Can see you now still in yr off white trousers and large collars plus the checked jacket and stacked heels. How do i know? we all had em mate didnt we!! Have a great bday tomrw. Keep it up at the vanguard of Arsenes warriors too, always good to rib and jab at you buddy. Forecast for Chels match yet? Im going for 0-0. Might as well get my prediction in early seeing as im on a roll.

  36. jeff wright

    Jan 19, 2016, 12:23 #82086

    Nick,we can only win our own games too many draws could prove costly though . Clean sheets look good on paper but when it's a 0-0 at home - as against the spuds i- n reality it's not a good result.So here is to 3 points against the Chavs!

  37. Westlower

    Jan 19, 2016, 11:58 #82085

    What the f**k does it matter how we got Cech, we've got him haven't we? Time to break up the depressing negativity with my favourite dancing song, to the tune of Stayin' Alive: Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk. I'm an Arsenal man; no time to talk. Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around since I was born. And now it's all right, it's OK and you may look the other way, we can try to understand the Arsenal effect on man. Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother f**ker, you're staying alive, staying alive. Well now, I get low and I get high. And if I can't get either, I really try. Got the wings of Overmars on my feet, I'm an Arsenal man and I just can't lose. You know it's all right, it's ok. I'll live to see another day. PS. tomorrow is my 69th birthday.

  38. Badarse

    Jan 19, 2016, 11:47 #82084

    I'm always watching you darkest moanies. Especially AKB,EG,MFA,JW and JJ.Don't think I'm not cos I am and when you're least expecting I shall jump out of a bush with a bag of sherbet lemons and not even offer you one.Altogether now 'I am Badarseio I am Badarseio'There it twasn't that hard.Custard cream anybody.good old Arsenal.

  39. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jan 19, 2016, 11:43 #82083

    Game changer - perhaps without realising it you may be falling into the same trap as its a bit angry your contribution but probably done out of frustration. In the past some pro Wenger contributors used to come on here and add a bit of breadth. The problem we seem to have is an angry rump of pro wengerites who literally get the piss torn out of them and I have to say mostly deservedly so. West lower the betting guru does occasionally get in heated debates but doesn't get the crap because his points are defendable and coherent. More people need to come on with varying views I agree.

  40. Game Changer

    Jan 19, 2016, 11:33 #82082

    Every game..no matter what the result the same people post the same crap.. What I'd like to see is green and red arrow system on here so we can make a comment on other people's drivel..this site could be good..but seriously it's just the same old crap every time..It may even get some of these regular posters to leave in shame as they should of a long time ago..

  41. Your Orcness

    Jan 19, 2016, 11:31 #82081

    Nick T less of the pikey scum but note you like JT so maybe you are a chav ...

  42. Actual

    Jan 19, 2016, 11:26 #82080

    was theo playing ?

  43. Martyn

    Jan 19, 2016, 10:57 #82079

    Worth watching the Jeff goal for u18's on Arsenal Player.

  44. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 19, 2016, 10:30 #82078

    Badarse (but you could be homo-hating Jamee or coleslaw the racist) - What do you mean you "hear" I got married? You were there in a gimp's outfit and mopped the floors at the end. Don't be coy...otherwise I'll tell about how you squeezed the contents of the mop into your pina colada.

  45. Badarse

    Jan 19, 2016, 10:04 #82077

    Arseneknewbest-I hear you were the one who got married at the weekend in your full Arsenal kit to some grizzly and your gay mates were the bridesmaids.Ha ha chum not so nice when the boots on the other foot.Good old Arsenal.

  46. GoonerRon

    Jan 19, 2016, 10:02 #82076

    @mbg - I've waited up all night to hear from you about when the league table lies - please enlighten me this morning.....

  47. Tony Evans

    Jan 19, 2016, 8:58 #82075

    Hi Gaz - agree re Campbell, he has really grabbed his chance and I hope Wenger now has him ahead of Wally and the Ox. Trouble with Wenger is that you can never trust him to do what you want him to can you!

  48. John F

    Jan 19, 2016, 8:56 #82074

    The Ox appears to me to be trying too hard to get himself out of a slump his confidence appears to be very low.I rate him and my worry is that he leaves and begins to excel at a rival club.Afobe is another player we should not of let go ,everywhere he has played he has scored goals.It seemed a strange decision to let him go and keep Akpom who is not thought of very highly by Hull fans.He has developed an attitude problem and has not been playing well.Afobe is strong and direct and would of been ideal as back up for Giroud.He would of been just who we needed against Stoke.

  49. Nick T

    Jan 19, 2016, 0:56 #82073

    Jeff, dont get me wrong Im not AW biggest fan and thats putting it mildly!! His recent comments about the goalkeeper being the most undervalued/underrated position on the pitch make himself look utterly ridiculous given the jokers he's consistently put his faith in.....FOR 10 YEARS!! Despite it all though there does seem to be a bit more about us this season and I think City are the only team who can finish above us....and even theyve looked proper sh*te at times this season - could well hinge on how much we see of Kompany?

  50. mbg

    Jan 19, 2016, 0:30 #82072

    jw, I remember that talk from TOF bigging Ospina up that he was as good as Chec, and of course he was believed by the gullible, remember when he used to do the same about the waiter and flappy? and of course the same gullible listened with ears cocked, and their still listening, they'll never learn, more fool them.

  51. mbg

    Jan 19, 2016, 0:02 #82071

    Gaz, good point and doing with his usual smirk, you'd think he scouted Cech, pulled out all the stops to sign him, then made him what he is, does he really think fans are that stupid (well we know the answer to that)what a complete and utter fraud he is.

  52. jeff wright

    Jan 18, 2016, 23:45 #82070

    Hi Nick,I have said myself that he is better than we have or have had for donkeys years. Wenger himself now agrees with us as well!!! Jesus wept,you couldn't make it up. Wenger's lack of self awareness is really cringe-worthy.This is the guy who stuck with Almunia for 5 years and claimed that he was world class and should be picked for England. At that point where Wenger was concerned I reached for my remote control. Regarding Cech having made a big difference to overall results I can only go by points won against those of last season regarding comparisons and we are a point better off - although obviously in a better position than last term in the league due to Chelsa imploding and City slumbering after a good start when they had Kompany in defence.He wil be back at some stage and they don't drop many points with him leading them. Chelsea however also had more points on the board at this time on their stroll to the title in May. We had lost 5 games last season at this period - now with Cech it's 4 lost.As you say it could be worse if he was not in goal . The game however is also about other things as well as goalies - defending and scoring goals among them.A top centre back plus a striker and a holding midfield player should have been signed last summer instead of this however Wenger just signed Cech .The first game at home against WHU blew away the myth that this alone would be enough. To some of us it still looks like 4th place is the first trophy and that is job done now and anything else is a bonus. It's going to be tough hanging on to first spot with City limbering up now to offer us a fight you don't win titles in the first half of a season and we have been in stronger positions in the recent past in that period only to fade away. We will have more idea about our chances of staying the course and distance by April .In the meantime we need to beat Chelsea because a bad result could precipitate the usual melt down ,so let's hope that Wenger doesn't walk into any traps set for him by Guus and Terry - who are both well acquainted with Arsene's eccentricities and style of play.It might be best if the players have another meeting and work something out for themselves. After all Cech knows more about Chelsea than Wenger does and arrogant Arsene never pays any attention to other sides tactics anyway - that's why his record in Europe and against top sides in our league is so poor.Sir Ferguson watched opponents play from the stand before he played them - how many times have we seen Wenger do that >?

  53. mbg

    Jan 18, 2016, 23:37 #82069

    DW Thomas, I don't know there could be something in it, I read somewhere that Barca have this young starlet coming through and are looking for someone with experience in writing children's books about young starlets like him and wally fits the bill perfectly, it doesn't matter that he's as useless as wing mirrors on a bath at football but just knowing a little bit about it is good enough, and the fact he can talk a good game makes up for it. Now if we could get them to take OGL with him we'd be flying, but we all know TOF would never agree to that as he'd have to win something there and wouldn't get away with all the embarrassments there that he does here and he'd be seen through and found out in weeks and be out on his arse inside twelve months.

  54. GoonerRon

    Jan 18, 2016, 22:12 #82068

    @ mbg - would you have taken a point before the Stoke game? Oh and one other thing - when does the league table lie? When it goes against your preordained agenda perhaps?

  55. Nick T

    Jan 18, 2016, 22:02 #82067

    Jeff - take your points and I wouldnt disagree his best days are behind him but hes still bloody good and a serious upgrade on the clowns we've put up with for the last 10 years. He's definately had some poor games but he's also had some superb, match-winning (or not losing) ones and aside from the saves I think he gives the whole defence a confidence and authority that we've not had in ages. I would say we're already 7-8 points up on where we'd be if Chesney/Ospina had been in goal

  56. mbg

    Jan 18, 2016, 21:45 #82066

    I suppose it was only a matter of time before that tired old Cliché the table never lies was wheeled out again, did you ever hear such a lie.

  57. mbg

    Jan 18, 2016, 21:03 #82065

    Yet another great point we'd have snapped up before kick off, isn't it funny how all these teams are getting better and so hard to beat (so we keep been told anyway) and with far less money and resources than us, and with far far inferior managers, wouldn't you just love to know.

  58. goonercolesyboy

    Jan 18, 2016, 20:48 #82064

    I agree with B52's postings and his ability to offer a refuge for all the anti Arsenal posters on this site.

  59. jeff wright

    Jan 18, 2016, 20:30 #82063

    B52's , hey what in a name anyway ! The fact remains though that Arsene claimed he and the other youngsters were not good enough to play against Sheff Wednesday.That must have done wonders for their confidence. Good old Arsene. .... Nick how can Cech have won us 12 or 15 points when we are only one point better same played as last season? He won us a point yesterday but lost us two against Liverpool and against WHU at home .He let in 4 goals at Southampton a couple of those looked savable. He is a good GK but his best days were with Chelsea and he will have plenty of other games like Sunday's one when he will need to be MOTM again with our dodgy defence and powder-puff midfield.The new player might help in midfield to make things a bit stronger,a wait and see for me scenario this, but I'm hoping so and wishing him the best. Plodding Per though should be told to hang up his boots .Another game we lost was Chelsea away,Cech was beaten twice in that game and will be hoping for better luck in the home game against his old pals who who unbeaten under Guus and have been making threatening noises regarding their visit to see Peter .Chelsea is our last game to play in January - so far we have taken 5 points from a possible 9 .City have taken 7 from their 3 played so the pendulum is swinging in their favour at the moment.

  60. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 18, 2016, 20:01 #82062

    B52's - that's you goonercolesyboy, isn't it? A second ID for twice the amount of meta-moaning.

  61. B52's

    Jan 18, 2016, 19:45 #82061

    Affelay plays for the orcs, jeff, 'the master of illusion and waffle to suit his circumstances', Iwobi is the England international you as such a non fan should be talking about. The pace of the Liverpool Utd game was played at a snails pace compared to Wednesday. Make of that what you will. I am glad the love shack was a success as it just reiterates the type of person that belongs in such a cesspool of negativity.

  62. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 18, 2016, 19:34 #82060

    Westie - try anna glipter. She's listed in the yellow and brown pages - she pebble-dashed my outside khazi and is a dab-hand at glossing over things.

  63. HowardL

    Jan 18, 2016, 19:20 #82059

    I'm sure that everyone posting here is attempting to be constructive and help Arsenal to the Premier League Title ... but the general tone is soooo negative and yet we are Top of The League so I hope that none of the players ever read it or they will be totally demotivated. I know I am - and I've never played a day's football in my life (well not for quite a while anyway) ...

  64. Nick T

    Jan 18, 2016, 18:53 #82058

    Whether or not you believe this team has really progressed and whatever your view is on AW there can be no doubt what an opportunity we have to land the PL this season....if only due to the quality, or rather lack of, of our title rivals. What I really wanted to say is whilst most talk about needing Sanchez, Cock & Ozil back ASAP Id suggest Cech staying fit is more important than anything. JT is every bit as odious as those pikey scum yesterday but his comment about PC making 10-12 point difference to us over a season looks bang on the money to me....you could probably argue hes earnt us that many already?!? Anyway even that difference in an utterly bizarre season may well see us lifting the big one in May - if it doesnt happen for us this season under Wenger it definately never will....fingers crossed!!

  65. John Gage

    Jan 18, 2016, 18:41 #82057

    @Alsace: Completely agree. I would take 2 draws away to Liverpool and Stoke. We are still top of the league and in with a chance...

  66. mbg

    Jan 18, 2016, 18:09 #82056

    So it's all set up to be another Anfield 89 game against city on the second last game of the season, that's about right it's what we have come to expect, some would go to any lengths to big up their messiah. You really couldn't make it up.

  67. Old Man

    Jan 18, 2016, 18:05 #82055

    Mohammed, Mohammed Elneny floats like Bobby Pires and stings like Henry Mohammed, Mohammed Elneny floats like Bobby Pires and stings like Henry.........

  68. Alsace

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:54 #82054

    It's hard to know where to put your expectations really. I must confess to not being too disappointed at not having lost these two very tricky away fixtures. There is some guts there and goes quite far down the ranks, which is encouraging. Chelsea on Sunday. Let's see if we can't whack them.

  69. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:50 #82053

    Ha. Westie, if you think youre going to get a cheap quote from me so late in the day for a quick woodchip and emulsion job in yr lounge you can think again my good man! Gd nite guys. Fresher in the morning and be sure to de fatigue those typing fingers tonight on yr hot water bottles guys.

  70. Westlower

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:44 #82052

    @Ron The reason L'pool were able to run harder & for longer v AFC was that no one in that team played at Exeter. They were fresh & raring to go after an 8 day break. Unlike yesterday when fatigue caught up after playing 4 days before & playing against a boring team coached by a chess master. It was as exciting as watching paint dry. You're not a painter/decorator are you Ron?

  71. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:31 #82050

    Westie - i thought that it was obscene how Liverpool tried v Arsenal but did they try and thus run harder than normal? Is it a runometer you use or a triometer to gauge these obscenities with such accuracy? As for the Utd result at Anfield, i thought it equally obscene how LVG set up his team to win at such venues. It was probably a bent bought off or intimidated referee granted, plus extreme pitch interference by Liverpool to make it even wetter but I think rule changes are needed to address both anomalies in the game. Its unfair, its unnecessary and its outrageous and totally against the spirit of a sensible philosophy of attacking, beautiful football as played by the most attractive football team in the land. Who for heavens sakes want to see teams who battle fight and play hard to win. The game's gone to pot clearly. Theres an anti Arsenal agenda behind all of this.

  72. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:27 #82049

    Ozil may be a 'passenger' in terms of tackles made etc but is one we can afford to carry because of his ability on the ball. Walcott however is a passenger that should be chucked off the bus at the next stop! Gaz - as you say it makes you weep when you think what might have been if Wenger had swallowed his pride and admitted that we were in desperate need of a quality keeper, instead of coming out with utter tosh about how good the likes of Almunia were!

  73. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:06 #82047

    Rambo's actually facing the Arsenal away end there, where Coleslaw in the red jacket (matching the colour of his eyes) is racially abusing the welsh maestro and jamee son in the blue jacket (matching his peep-hole negligee worn coquettishly underneath) is quoting bible scriptures. Meanwhile, badarse is sitting at the front with his luscious blonde carer (who administers his powerful painkillers at the weekends) - needless to say, the seated genius is saying nowt while Rambo gets it with both barrels from AFC's answers to adolf and donald trump. Just behind him, westie playfully shouts out the betfair odds on aaron and the team leaving the potteries alive.

  74. Gaz

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:06 #82046

    That's the thing isn't it Tony? If we're to rightly accept that Cech won us a point yesterday then we also have to accept that over a period of 7/8 years those other keepers lost us games. And if those games hadn't been lost it could have meant a huge difference in the outcome of these competitions that we failed to win or progress in...

  75. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 18, 2016, 17:01 #82045

    "Anyone else think L'pool paid the price yesterday for running their hearts out v AFC on Wed?" No, but it seems the excuse formulated post-Soton of the other team trying too hard is now well established.

  76. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:53 #82044

    For Ox read Arshavin. Theres a player being genuinely 'ruined' by a Coach if you want one Westie.

  77. jeff wright

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:50 #82043

    Gaz, Wenger was actually claiming earlier in the season,when he left Cech out in the early Champions League games, that we lost to Zagreb and Olmpiacos,that Ospina was as good as him! You couldn't make it up. Personally my view is that Cech was forced onto Wenger by circumstances as was Welbeck and that left to himself he would not have signed either.Although in Danny Boys case Wenger was right he should at best have only been signed on loan.Young inexperienced Affelay being on the bench yesterday illustrates just how thin our squad is compared to City's one. According to Wenger after the humiliating defeat away to a just average Championship side Sheffield Wednesday in the League Cup Affelay was not ready to face that sort of opponent. Yet there he was replacing England International Walcott away to a Prem side Stoke in an important game. Wenger is the master of illusion and king of waffle he makes things up as he goes along to suit circumstances and to try and make it appear that he knows what he is doing . Cech is obviously a better GK than what we have but the league table points won and goals conceded and the Champions League ones that he played in show no great overall improvement in our results obviously though Chelsea badly deteriorated in the first half of the season under Mourinho and that has helped us with Leicster being for awhile our main opponent for the top spot although City are now right in the mix and a different proposition in the second half of the season for us to compete with. .We dropped 5 points down to GK errors last season in the league and I reckon that it is about the same so far this season on that score and we still have near half a season to go. Sometimes a touch of reality is required when looking at claims on big improvements having been made. It is not hard to knock holes in them - in fact these claims usually have more holes in them than there are in a block of Swiss cheese.

  78. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:42 #82042

    Hi Gaz - Wenger's unbelievable isn't he, especially when it comes to 'world class' keepers. Perhaps he might recognise one now he has actually signed one after years of procrastination. We would have lost yesterday with Flappy, the Pole or the Spanish Waiter between the sticks. Must win game against Chelsea - lose it and my thin thread of belief will be well and truly broken.

  79. theopants superstar

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:41 #82041

    Can't believe the amount of Ox bashing on here. The headline is particularly harsh on the lad, Especially as from what I could make out Ramsey was the one playing the Ozil role. The Ox has had bad luck with injury and when he has been available, is constantly messed around by Wenger, being made a sub or when chosen to start, used in 3 or 4 different positions. People comparing him with Theo haven't got a clue. Walcott has had 10 years to improve and hasn't. Oxlade Chamberlain has more ability in one toe than Theo has in his whole body and I believe it would be a big mistake for gooners to think we would be better off selling him. Unlike the majority on here I still believe that - given the trust of his manager - the Ox has the ability to become one of the best players in this country and would most certainly be snapped up by other top clubs were he made available.

  80. Westlower

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:37 #82040

    The bookies have revised their PL winner odds after the weekends games. They have got it down to a 2 horse race after pushing out the price of Leicester & TH: Best prices available, Citeh 11/10, AFC 7/4, Leicester 16/1, TH 16/1, Man U 22/1. Anyone else think L'pool paid the price yesterday for running their hearts out v AFC on Wed?

  81. Gaz

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:15 #82039

    Hi Tony. Hard to believe that in the space of just five or six games Campbell has effectively jumped ahead of both Walcott and the Ox! Can't imagine not seeing him in the side now and I absolutely love his attitude and enthusiasm. Reminds me of Adebayor when he first broke into the side although obviously I hope the outcome is different this time! As for the game itself it'll seem like a decent point IF we win on Sunday. Fail to win and that's six points dropped out of nine and there's no way of dressing that kind of form up! Obviously the injuries will be banded out as an excuse, then when they clear up and we fail to win a game it'll be tiredness and fatigue that's the cause! One way or another there's always an excuse. Oh and Wenger's got a nerve waxing lyrical over Cech's performance when he subjected us to Almunia and Fabianski for years. Could have upgraded any time he wanted but DECIDED not to. I've used capitals there to highlight the fact that this decision wasn't based on a lack of money but an opinion that those two were *cough* 'world class'...

  82. David

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:15 #82038

    Agree with the comments about Wally being sold - more like £20 - £25 million, and £15 million for Ox.

  83. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:08 #82037

    Im becoming a top gambler under yr tutelege Westie. I even predicted a series win v the Boks in the face of much ridicule from my cricket friends. Mate teams collapse. Evertom 1969. Leeds post 1974 when they cdt recover from losing the EC Final. Arsenal 1971. Man City in 69. Spurs post 61. Derby after 1975. Utd post 68. Rapid aging of players and lost desire accounts for teams collapses, not sinister stories about 'ruined' players. It happens, just less so these days because the top 4 have dominated the title so much for so long. Nobody claimed those historic top coaches who ran those teams ruined the players. Its just happens. The media spews the dross about ruined players and social media fuels the fire. Its madness. Chelsea still have a lot of very good players, not great ones mind you. Theyve not been ruined at all. Things have occurred there that we cant imagine. Its wrong to lay it all at JMs door because you just dont know. Utd are coming back now too, yet the media have had the LVG witch hunt all season. Its mental.

  84. Bard

    Jan 18, 2016, 16:04 #82036

    HB; maybe a tad inflated but the price for English rubbish is very high. Bnmouth paid £12m+ for Afobe.

  85. Highbury Boy

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:58 #82035

    @Bard;I know English players have a premium value but £50m for Theo?! A teeny bit ambitious. Not even Citeh would pay that.

  86. Torbay gooner

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:50 #82034

    Accurate report Kevin, a vast improvement on last season's first half capitulation. Another class display by Cech to keep that clean sheet, mirrored by Butland. Don't think Giroud did much wrong with his two efforts on goal,put that down to good keeping. At least he tested the keeper, which is more than Walcott did. Getting sick of his 'disappearing acts'. Hope Sanchez will finally make his return next weekend and Walcott can have a nice rest! Lost track of the amount of fouls Peters made, presume ref left his cards behind in his glovebox.

  87. Bard

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:45 #82033

    We didnt look much on sunday so in my book it was a good point. We could have snatched it but then so could they. Honours even. The debate about Wally is surely nailed once and for all and the look on his face yesterday spoke volumes. His control is haphazard at best and he just doesnt see what's around him. he ran into so many blind alleys. His defensive work rate is shocking. Im not a fan of Ozil tackling because he cant but what this means is that he cant play in the same team as Wally, otherwise we end up having to carry 2 dead weights defensively. Is Wally's number up though ? Sell him for £50m and buy someone more effective. I take the points about the Ox but he looked completely lost yesterday, I felt sad for the lad. He hasnt developed since his early days. If we dont get Sanchez and Ozil back fast we can kiss goodbye to any chance of a tilt. Incidentally I had an interesting time at the Love Shack bash. Helen was so enthusiastic with her body search that I spent most of the evening in the AE dept of Whittington hospital. Thanks to mbg for a terrific evening.

  88. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:27 #82031

    Ron - re Walcott, unfortunately I think you are right. He flatters to deceive wherever he plays but, as we are stuck with him (Wenger would never admit to buying a dud) I would prefer to see him deployed as a centre forward for his pace alone. Pace does frighten teams and I reckon his finishing has potential too, but it's 10 years now and we shouldn't still be talking about potential should we?

  89. Charlie

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:21 #82030

    Stop acting the retard MARCUS,who could replace Wenger?All the previous candidates put forward by his haters,Moyes,Morinho,Klopp have all turned out to be crapsters.

  90. Westlower

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:17 #82029

    @Ron If Maureen didn't ruin certain Chelsea players, who did? He created a toxic atmosphere at the Bridge, partly by demanding new signings which undermined the team that had won the PL & COC. They've certainly picked up as a team since he departed. For upper body strength, read arm wrestling. Be grateful to watch the few skillful players there are in PL & Ozil is one of them. Generally speaking the English still can't rid themselves of their pub team upbringing. What about Theo's goal against Citeh? It turned the game our way. Hope you won money from your draw prediction yesterday & at Villa Park. Would have paid ten times your stake, tax free.

  91. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:06 #82028

    Ron - not often we don't see eye to eye but I am not so sure re Hazard and Mourinho. I think Westie does have a point and my take is that your flair players should be played to their strengths and not be expected to chase back and get stuck in quite so much. Obviously in an ideal world they would do both but there's not many of that type to the pound!

  92. Highbury Boy

    Jan 18, 2016, 15:06 #82027

    Another fair report of the match and highlighting the careless distribution of Ox and Kos. I'm one of those fans who compare this season's results to the corresponding matches last year so have never got over excited that we are top or have more points than last Jan. For example in recent games we have again lost at Southn again beaten Newcastle and yet again drawn a high scoring game at Anfield with Liverpool equalizing in the last minute. None of this is surprising as we have the same squad except for at last having a proper GK, the same manager and the same tactics. The extra injuries have to be set against the quality GK. So until yesterday the points total was EXACTLY the same as last year which would in normal seasons put us in line for 3rd or 4th. Yesterday we picked up an extra point from a more fighting performance than usual against Stoke so perhaps we are on the up.......if just a little bit which could move us up to a season end 2nd?

  93. DW Thomas

    Jan 18, 2016, 14:46 #82026

    Two main things. One, Walcott is playing poorly and he is the last remnant of a failed youth policy. Ramsey too is not good enough to lead this team to glory. If that's what it's about Westie! Both players don't really want to bother with defensive duties. Ramsey wants to be like Ozil and for my money Jack has always been the better player. You gotta be joking that Barcelona wants Ramsey? He would be another Hleb there. As for Cech, he is amazing. The real deal and best we've had for years now in goal. He may not be enough to make the difference though. Monreal has been our best defender lately. Two draws and the dropped points may come back to haunt us. We desperately need our best players back. Injuries will decide everything, again!

  94. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 14:46 #82025

    Many if not most players arent good tacklers as its nearly a lost art and i disagree that Ozils weakness is there as hes barely ever tried to make a tackle. Yr views on physical players Westie derive from the 70s. You need to try and understand the modern game. Its the use of a players upper body these days that marks out a physical player. Ozil is weak in that dept.Your ' Maureen' hasn't ruined anybody. Save for Willian the whole sqaud has been poor. Did Maureen ruin them all? What utter unfounded rubbish. Youve been at yr Daily Mail again havent you?Hazard is a quality player whos also good physically.Id swap him with any number of our midfielders inc yr hero Mr Ozil. I cant think of one middle man that doesnt 'ankle tap' either (another of yr fave hyperbolic terms Westie). Its part of the game, like it or not. Everything you say sounds like a punters echo or from Skys studio Westie. Get yself to a few games and see whats real, not media fed. Tony - im afraid Theo Walcott would never be anything other than on my bench. Hes ok v weak teams whove given it all by coming on late. I cant see a less likely centre forward in truth. He can play onto balls fed through for him to run onto, but the ball has to be inch perfect even then. He cant head a football. Hes easily forced back deep by defenders and still drifts wide when he s played centrally. Winger? Who knows? He might have made it as one had Wenger never indulged his belief that hes a centre fwd but his horse had bolted now as a true winger i sense. He cant dribble and cant beat a man. He cant cross. Hes had the odd little cameo agreed. The transfer list is the best place for him. If its true that Chelsea want him, let him go. His career is that run v Liverpool in the CL back in 08 that Ade scored from and his Eng hat trick. End of. Hes totally flattered to deceive. Time to move him on. Hes been our Stewart Downing.

  95. Potential

    Jan 18, 2016, 14:32 #82024

    Was Theo playing on Sunday ?

  96. jeff wright

    Jan 18, 2016, 14:26 #82023

    Westie,the team with the most points are ALWAYS tops! That is a fact . City have won 13 games - same as us- but they are in third place and Leicester - who are joint top on points with us have won 12 games .We are in first place on a slight G/D on one less than City .Under the rules of engagement of the old system that took account of goals scored - rather than conceded - that won us the title at Anfield in 89 - Leicester would be top .They have lost just 2 games while we have lost 4 .City 5. This shows what a poor season this really is because normally 5 defeats and it's all over regarding titles. The top spot changed hands 3 times at the weekend - City were top for an hour or two on Saturday ,then it was Leicester, with us in third place and then after the 0-0 draw at Stoke we went back in front of the Foxes on G/D. Just as well Leicester missed that penalty then! That's how tight it is at the top and will remain so until someone puts some daylight between them and the rest.We have had the chance to do so but blew it with just 2 points from our last 3 away games and 7 goals conceded in them and 3 scored all against Liverpool in that 3-3 draw that could shortly prove to be very costly.City are favs for the title now instead of us due to those results - although of course this could change again depending on results next weekend .With City and Leicester both playing before us - City away to WHU - the 'ammers are not in the sort of early doors form that they were and have had their best results anyway away from the Boleyn . I fancy City to beat them .Stoke could nick a point away to Leicester but Leicester might still have a bit left in the tank and win the tete a tete with old Sparky's mix-and not match side. So what about us and Chelsea a win for us ? this looks like a case of definitely/ maybe. Another draw would not be the biggest surprise either.

  97. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 14:25 #82022

    Some good comments here with Walcott, Ozil and Ramsey creating the most widespread debate. Westie / Ron - have enjoyed your differing views on Ozil. He has certainly silenced most of his critics this season and although I would like to see a bit more from him when the going gets tough I tend to agree with Westie that you can't expect your flair players to get stuck in too much, with Hazard at Chelsea, under Mourinho this season, a good example of how to ruin a top player. I would agree though, Ron, that Ozil needs to produce more against the top sides.

  98. Peter Wain

    Jan 18, 2016, 14:04 #82021

    a decent performance with the squad we have. As for the Stoke fans chanting about Ramsey not worth dignifying it with comment.

  99. mbg

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:51 #82020

    A good display from Cech yesterday he's certainly learned from his mistake, with some great saves, another big thank you to Roman for handing him to us or we'd still be suffering Chesney or worse, how many points would a keeper like Cech earned us over the last nine years ? what could we have achieved ? if it wasn't for an old fraud of a manager holding us back with his ego and sheer arrogance that he knows best and is always right.

  100. Westlower

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:48 #82019

    @mbg 'God only knows why we're top of the league.' Go find yourself a quiet spot and try and work out why that is. Start with an old tried & tested cliche: The table never lies. The team with the most wins are usually top. The team with the most points is at least joint top. The game is about Glory. To dare is to do. Glory, glory..."keep telling people for long enough and they'll believe it." Where have we heard those words of wisdom before? @Ron, Ozil plays to his strengths. Tackling is his weakness, so why try and turn him into one of your mindless hairy arsed ankle tapper types? Maureen ruined Hazard by working him like a dog.

  101. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:44 #82018

    TJ / Gooner Ron - I would play Walcott at centre forward against Barca. We don't have much chance whoever plays but his pace with Ozil pulling the strings is our best hope.

  102. mbg

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:35 #82017

    There's a lot of players on this team who ain't no nothing, they think they are though just because they're old past it manager (himself nothing much)keeps telling them, and we know if people are told something often enough they'll believe it. Look at wally (did you see his face? hilarious)was there ever such a waste of fresh air ? who'd want him No, there's to many had beens (including the manager)and players who think they've arrived on this team, how we're top of the league God only knows, the posters on here who are saying the prem has regressed are quite right certainly the so called top four/five or we certainly wouldn't be where we are today. Another boring game and all it took was an opposition manager who read our excuse for one like a book and knew his tactics, and that's all it ever takes.

  103. TJ

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:19 #82016

    @Tony Evans completely agree re: Walcott. Before his injury he was on about a goal a game at CF. Giroud scores 90% of own his goals from crosses and although he's on good form right now, we are no where near as good a counterattacking force with him leading the line over Walcott- he's just too slow. I know Walcott needs a lot of chances but I prefer him to Giroud most of the time. When we travel away from home we really need Walcott when the game opens up- unless Giroud plays amazingly like vs Liverpool then we can't take advantage of the spaces in behind defences. The only way we could have scored yesterday was on the counterattack but we had little pace through the middle.

  104. jeff wright

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:15 #82015

    If Keystone Kos and co were defending so well then why did Cech have to make so many saves>? He was not made MOTM for no good reason! He will need to be on his toes on Sunday as well because Chelsea will be parking the bus and trying to hit us on the break with long balls - and as we know from past experience they have Costa who loves playing that sort of game.

  105. Jude

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:11 #82014

    Kevin: How about changing the title to "Ramsey -- he ain't no Ozil" because the clunkiness in the midfield was hardly down to just the Ox. His only contribution on the pitch worth mentioning over 90 minutes is heading the ball whilst standing on the post? He's deluded if he thinks he's Barcelona-quality. Surely at some point, we must accept that there's more to football than running around a lot, and "never hiding." It's down to quality. Keep in mind that he doesn't even make our first eleven -- when all are fit -- in the central midfield. I'd happily drive him to the airport if Barcelona's interested.

  106. GoonerRon

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:07 #82013

    @ Ron - Kos has an 87% pass completion rate so in he vast majority of cases his passes finds a team mate. Yes, of course sometimes it misses the target but not worthy of the comment from Ed. And Theo didn't dive - his ankle was clearly clipped. @ Tony Evans - with us getting a couple of players back it gives us the chance to rotate Giroud and Theo a bit at CF. We've not had much choice other than to play Theo wide for a while as the other options were unproven (Iwobi) or more out of form than Theo (Ox). I was saying at the game yesterday that I thought Theo was playing a bit within himself, in as much as he seemed so keen to get into a reasonable position defensively that he rarely committed to getting in advance of Giroud where he can do the most damage. I agree his best performances of last have come in the CF position and perhaps he best suits that role against teams coming on to us, so may get some chances in the upcoming games against Chelsea, Barcelona etc.

  107. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Jan 18, 2016, 13:01 #82012

    The collaspe has stated and wish It had not!! We won't win the pl!! We lack the requisite quality to win it!! I actually said that man city won the pl with that 1-2 win at Watford!! When you have world class players of toure and agueros level they can bail you out and make something out of nothing!!! You get what you pay for!! Our team can try as hard as they want but the quality is lacking as simple as!! Like anyone can try to get into Oxbridge but if you don't have the grades you won't get in. We at arsenal have to many b to c level players!!! Now dropping those points at Liverpool are coming back to haunt us!! I don't see chelsea coming to roll over. They will want to dent our chances so I expect a very good chelsea team!! Again this manager with his usual 70 mins plus subs!! I'm just tired of it now!! If guardaola wanted to come to arsenal GET HIM!! I bet if man city don't win the pl pelligrini is gone!! Yet our manager has a job for life!!

  108. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:42 #82011

    Dont get so excited Westie. You ll do yself an injury or tire yself out to the red zone. Nobodys saying Ozil is s--t. Just that hes over hyped? If you want to contend hes not a feeble player who dodges the column in games v physical teams thats fine too. You ought to check out who these teams are who he carves open. Rarely are they against the top sides in crunch matches. Theres a reason he s bumming about in the EPL and not at Real M. I suspect that the main one is that RM saw through him. Just my view, but you stick to yr pundits and SKY stats if you want too. Its fine. Its time you slagged off Gary Neville again isnt it?

  109. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:41 #82010

    To continue the Walcott debate, surely the time has come to say he sure ain't a winger and to give him a proper run at centre forward. The best games I can remember him having for us are the cup game against the Spuds, last season was it, and the 3-0 win over Manure this season. Please correct me if I'm wrong but in both games he started up front. His biggest asset (obviously) is his pace, he also makes good runs and he can finish - all attributes more geared to centre forward play. I think he is completely wasted being played out wide and is in danger of joining a host of other players Wenger has failed to get the most out of during the last few seasons. Fair assessment or is he a complete waste of space wherever he plays?

  110. AMG

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:28 #82009

    0-0 is a good result against the pond scum away these days. For all Giroud's good form recently, he still isn't sharp enough to take those 1 or 2 chances when they come along. I would love to see a clinical finisher come in January, but they ain't easy to find. When Alexis and Ozil return, I think it is time to drop Walcott and the Ox, give them a chance to build their fitness and touch in training - Campbell has certainly earned his starting place and should keep it.

  111. Westlower

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:24 #82008

    @Ron, I'm not talking about Wollschield holding Wally by the arm but when he finally let go he proceeded to put his boot on TW's heel, which dragged him down. Even the eagle eyed TV pundits spotted it. If the player was Rooney and at OT, it's a pen all day long, especially when the 'thug' was in his pomp, terrorising officials. Do you truly believe the ref could justify not issuing a single card? Ozil over-hyped? Maybe that's been caused by his record number of assists, World Cup medal & voted Germany's best overseas player & best team player. You're right Ron he's sh*t....bring back McGoldrick Carter & Helder!

  112. HowardL

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:16 #82007

    Good summary Kev, though you didn't mention the absence of yellow cards. What a travesty! Doubtless Mr East was so busy 'letting the game flow' that he missed those continual fouls, particularly when Shawcross held Giroud tightly by the wrist for an Arsenal corner. But a point at Stoke in the face of all that violence is good progress and provides a bit more optimism for our difficult run in.

  113. Tony Evans

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:14 #82006

    Your usual incisive summary Kevin - thanks. It will be very interesting to see who makes way when Sanchez comes back - surely it has to be Walcott but such is Wenger's stubborn refusal to acknowledge the bleeding obvious I have my doubts. Also the value of a top quality keeper has never been so apparent and to hear Wenger crowing about Cech is insufferable after the crud he inflicted upon us for so many years.

  114. GoonerRon

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:06 #82005

    @westlower - no doubt he was sloppy with his forward passes yesterday - it was the insinuation that it happens all the time these days that I thought was harsh. Generally speaking Kos' passing is solid, and often incisive.

  115. Ron

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:06 #82004

    Hi Kev. If ever there was a predictable absentee with 'an injury' from that game at Stoke, it was the butterfyly, the gossamer frail Mr Ozil. He disappears in physical games. 'Losing interest' is being kind to him. He reminds me of Gordon Cowans in that excellent Villa title winning team of 81.The difference being that despite his physical frailty, he had the heart of a lion as did all players under Saunders else they were out of the door. Nobody ever said GC was World Class but he was a far better players than the over hyped Ozil. A draw at Stoke was predictable and a few of us predicted it. Westie - i know you love ref baiting so to propel your own reportoire of excuses to bolster Wengers, but the reason why there was no pen given for the 'trip' on the Wally was because he dived. Thats what the Wally does. Well reffed. Those 'Neanderthals' you speak of from Stoke by the way? Do they have relatives in North London who shared a railway platform with them last season when they chewed Wenger up alive? Just wondered. Shawcross? One of the best defenders in the PL now and could play at a higher level in my view. Happily sign him and sell Ramsey if it was a barrier.Gooner Ron - Do you never watch Koschielnys passing in other games? Its often often dire.

  116. Nick

    Jan 18, 2016, 12:04 #82003

    Reasonable report, Wenger made TWO subs however bringing on Chambers near the end

  117. Far far away fan

    Jan 18, 2016, 11:45 #82000

    Despite recognizing Ramsey's talents, I would still rather see him go off to Barcelone with 50 million left behind in his wake. He is such a frustrating player to get behind. I would include the Ox in the same bracket but he had several injuries to contend with. Walcott and Giroud don't even fall into the same talent bucket, so why bother?

  118. Westlower

    Jan 18, 2016, 11:42 #81999

    @GoonerRon, I'm first in the queue to defend unfounded criticism of our players but Koscielny had me screaming in frustration when stepping up out of defence and lamely giving the ball straight to a Stoke players feet on more than one occasion. He does so many good things but he must stop the lazy passes to the opposition. Martin Keown was often guilty of trying to play a killer pass (it came off once a season) but no one had the balls to tell Martin to cut it out and give the simple ball to the nearest team mate. The Ox has to keep his head down and work his socks off until his form returns. The team needs Ox, Campbell (missed a good chance) & Theo to start scoring, to relieve some of the reliance on Giroud goals. Giroud is firmly on track to total 30 goals this season (on 18 in all competitions). Of course the team will miss Ozil's passing and Sanchez's industry + goals, so to only lose at Southampton in recent games is a commendable return. Looking at the remaining fixtures we need at least 3 away wins + 8 home wins. The away games at Bournemouth, WHam, Sunderland look winneable. At least 2 draws needed at the Lane, OT, Goodison & crucially the Etihad. Unfortunately the games away at Man U & Everton come immediately after the Barcelona games. Need at least 8 wins + a draw from our home games, CFC, Southampton, Leicester, Swansea, WBA, Watford, Palace, Norwich & Villa. That will give us 80 points. Maybe the whole season is set up for another 'Anfield 89' game at the Etihad, our last away game of the season. The ECL & FA Cup may also influence the final outcome who becomes Champions.

  119. Ray

    Jan 18, 2016, 11:22 #81996

    Wenger has no shame does he? He says the signing of Cech shows what a top class keeper brings to the club.Thats after 8 years of Average Al/Flappy/Mannone and Szczesny.Thanks Wenger.The Ox just like Walcott is hype.The media love them for one reason they are English.Can anyone remember the last good game the Ox had?

  120. Wear Your Colours

    Jan 18, 2016, 10:50 #81994

    Kev I thought we grafted and fought hard for that point. We seemed to play a little higher up the pitch than in recent away fixtures and particularly in the first half caught them offside several times. In the second half Cech made three or four good saves to keep the clean sheet. Hence, defensively it was a much improved performance. Our issue was that going forward we struggled to string moves together; the precision in some of our passing was truly awful at times with Koscielny, Ramsey, the Ox and Flamini all gifting the ball back to Stoke far too easily and far too often. I liked the look of Iwobi when he came on; he kept things simple with short passes to the man in space and he looked like he had plenty of time on the ball which is a good sign in a youngster. Next-up is the visit of our neighbours from West London. It would be nice to get three-points from that one. COYG!

  121. GoonerRon

    Jan 18, 2016, 10:47 #81993

    That Stoke supporter on 606 was an absolute **** - he actually said the words "Ramsey needs to get over it now" as if he's constantly dredging it up. Prick. Good point in the end. Not only did we miss Ozil as a No.10, but also Alexis, Cazorla, Wilshere and Rosicky who would have played there ahead of Ox. Considering how blunted our offensive game was, a clean sheet was vital and aside from Cech I thought Monreal, Mert and Flam were really solid. Nice to see Shawcross making what must have 8 or 9 fouls without a sniff of a yellow card. Let's recover well and get ready to batter the Russians. One small thing Ed - the slightly snide comment about Kos' passing was uncalled for in my opinion.

  122. David

    Jan 18, 2016, 10:47 #81992

    Fair report - gets to the main issue at the heart of Arsenal's strengths and weaknesses. It's clear what is needed after that performance - more players in the Ozil/Cech/Sanchez class, and fewer in the Walcott/Ox class. Maybe Ox deserves a bit more time, but Wally has shown all he's going to show.

  123. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 18, 2016, 10:44 #81991

    Look at that picture - don't want to tar all their fans with the same brush but it pretty much sums up some of the inbreeds making up the support at the Britannia. It was 5 years ago boys, let it go. Let it go.