‘Please don't take me home’?

Euro2016 – Reflections on England’s abysmal display in Nice



‘Please don't take me home’?


Well, well, well. There is only one place to start really isn’t there? Nice yesterday evening. Woy’s last stand. And proof positive that the last two years at international level, have been wasted, and that Hodgson should have been given his P45 after the disaster in Brazil. Although I have few doubts the online soccer odds on an Iceland win in 90 minutes would have been fairly generous, at the end of the day, can anyone really say they were surprised by England’s abject failure? In comparison, the failures under Sven Goran Eriksson begin to look like positive triumphs, losing in three consecutive quarter finals to decent opposition, twice via penalty shoot-outs.

However, Iceland. What can you say? Described as the worst England performance in years, although I can recall a good number that felt pretty similar. But on the national humiliation scale, it’s right up there with Italy losing to North Korea in 1966. Or, indeed England losing to the USA in 1950. There is no hiding from this. As long as anyone reading this is alive, the defeat will be recalled when sporting humiliations are the topic of the day. A population of less than 350,000 people. And fair play to them. They have not progressed through the tournament because of good luck. They have earned their last eight spot. Certainly, their football has technical limitations. Barcelona they ain’t. But in tournament football, winning, or at least not losing, matches is what counts. No-one has beaten them so far.

As for England, I caught a little of the post-mortem. Roy Hodgson does not know his best team or formation. Actually, I am uncertain this is totally true. From what I can see, the defence and midfield was always going to be what it was in terms of personnel, with Rooney as one of the advanced midfielders. To these eyes, the only real questions were which three he would play up front and which one of them would be central.

So I don’t buy into this idea that the team was not settled. Sure, decisions needed to be made up front, but the base of the team, it’s solidity, was in place, with players good enough to actually give the attackers a solid foundation. However, the reality is that they were woeful last night. Did not perform. And as a consequence, two goals were conceded and England go home.

Jack Wilshere was thrown on for Eric Dier at half-time. Fair enough in that Iceland rarely ventured forward after the interval. But what did Jack bring to the party? I accept that he is not fully fit, but even so. I fear this is a player who has shot his bolt, for whatever reason. The talent we saw when he was 17 just seems to have completely disappeared. I am far from convinced he will ever recapture what it is that made Roy Hodgson take him to France, certainly with any level of consistency. One that might have been. If Arsenal were to announce he had been sold tomorrow, I really cannot say I would be particularly bothered. Hodgson’s biggest mistake last night was not putting Marcus Rashford on 20 minutes earlier, as here was a player willing to take defenders on with some success, unlike his more experienced colleagues.

When Roy Hodgson delivered his resignation speech instead of taking questions at the post match press conference, I can only imagine he had it prepared well in advance. When he stated of the players, “They've been fantastic and they have done everything that has been asked of them,” I had to wonder whether he had been wearing a blindfold during the match against Iceland.

I cannot get worked up about the national team. They are the gift that keeps on giving, a constant source of amusement. I never expect anything from them in a major international tournament and they rarely disappoint. They do make tournaments more interesting because of the pantomime element. Euro 2008 was a lesser tournament, in terms of drama, for their absence. The drama of their opening two matches at the last World Cup was thrilling.

Of course, talk now turns to the next England manager and the latest odds suggest that money has been pouring in on Gareth Southgate, presumably based on some inside info. That would be about right. An Englishman, and a guarantee of further tactical mediocrity. Nice guy. Diplomat. But a motivator? A top class tactician? ITV dropped him because he was too dull. As for insight, I rarely saw much of that, and even if he had it, that does not guarantee you can get players doing what you want, as Gary Neville will testify. I’d give Glenn Hoddle another shot myself. If only because he did seem to get the country playing some decent winning football, falling short at his only tournament opportunity because of the naivety of David Beckham.

Anyway, there are seven other matches to express my thoughts on, but I will save that for tomorrow. Things are shaping up nicely though, and at least there is no need to put restrictions on the sale of alcohol anymore…

‘Please don't take me home’? – after that performance, more a case of ‘I’m an England supporter, get me out of here!’ for those who were in the south of France. Fortunately, after my 12 day excursion during the group stage, I am back home and have enjoyed the eight knockout games so far from the comfort of the sofa.


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  1. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 18:04 #90579

    Mike, and something that has stuck out for me is how you've just described somebody else we all know, as someone has already asked have we ever seen Hodgson and wenger together ?

  2. Mike

    Jul 01, 2016, 17:12 #90578

    A few things that really stood out for me, Hodgson insisting he played Sterling, even though it was clear to everyone that he was not playing well, giving up the ball too often and out of place. Vardy had a great season, was on form and was on the bench - why ? Also, you have Kane taking corners and free kicks - why ? And lastly, going in to the last game of the group stages, you made 6 changes, how is a team going to gel, when in the middle of the tournament you change more than half the team ? These are elementary mistakes and it was clear to me that Hodgson had no clue what he was doing !

  3. Alsace

    Jun 30, 2016, 21:34 #90564

    England will never get any better. Gareth Southgate! Honestly? So letting OGL have the England job has no downside. If he took it straight away we could have a new manager to start the season. Sorry, I mean we would have a manager to start the season

  4. Time for change

    Jun 30, 2016, 17:54 #90559

    England crap. Huddle's team lost to the mighty Romania and conceded two sloppy goals to Argentina. He's no managerial genius Kev.

  5. mbg

    Jun 29, 2016, 19:16 #90545

    Mark from Aylesbury, i'd rather have David Icke.

  6. Hi Berry

    Jun 29, 2016, 18:01 #90544

    Seven Kings Gooner - you're spot on with your post about defending. I once very stupidly put my head above the parapet at Untold to state that watching Arsenal defend a 1-0 lead was at times a wonder to behold in the days of Dixon, Adams etc. and was immediately and roundly denounced as a lover of anti-football and 'parking the bus'. It was apparently something that Arsenal should never contemplate, despite the history of failure that tica taca has brought. The 2005 Cup Final was conveniently brushed under the carpet.

  7. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jun 29, 2016, 14:05 #90542

    Arseneknewbest- first thanks for your kind words. Logically it does follow that if you're not a deviant and I know I'm not a deviant it therefore suggests little Jameson therefore must be. You touched upon something in that perhaps we should hold the poll to bring back the most committed (🙈 Bonkers) AKB. Westfie, old man Colesey, The Rev Brian Badarse, Amos and his incredible counting machine, Mandy Dodd (she loves a bit of Kronke), Clockender. Let's vote on who we want back!

  8. Mark

    Jun 29, 2016, 13:58 #90540

    Wenger and Woy struggle to get their teams out of the group stage and lose in the first knockout game.Wenger is a perfect fit for England manager

  9. mbg

    Jun 29, 2016, 13:21 #90539

    I see the AKB wengerites are resorting to blackmail now to try and stop the truth been told about they're messiah, is that all you AKB's have left now to try and silence real fans from telling the truth and like it is, the fanzines got a year left blah blah what, are you and his lovvies boycotting it ? pathetic, myself and other WOB's will be buying three or four now then, and I know a lad who buys eight or ten at a time and brings them home and displays them in the pub for sale for other fans all at face value of course and gets his money back and they're all gone in a matter of days, I know AKB's who buy it religiously so good luck with that. So Mr genuine gooner i suggest you wake up before you disappear up your messiah's anus, or maybe not.

  10. Exeter Gunner

    Jun 29, 2016, 12:59 #90538

    So it's commonly agreed that England lack a game plan, tactics, every player knowing his job and the ability to handle knockout games in Europe. And then Wenger is a popular choice for the role? It seems that many outside Arsenal fans (and not all of those of course) still don't understand what Wenger is.

  11. Bard

    Jun 29, 2016, 12:03 #90537

    There is no chance of Wenger taking the England job, lets get real. Tournament football requires tactical and motivation skills first and foremost, he has neither or if you are being generous limited amounts of both. You also need to react quickly and decisively during a game, he doesnt. However his track record of coming 4th would be an improvement !!

  12. jeff wright

    Jun 29, 2016, 11:37 #90536

    The comparisons with Wenger and Woy regarding their tactics or lack of 'em and failure to take account of opponents ones are spot on .Take for example the Iceland ( I reckon that Tesco's Sunday league pub side would give Wenger and Woy problems) goal scored from a long throw-in. Everyone bar Woy apparently knew that the Icemen used this long throw-in to good effect and Woy had ten days to prepare the England defence to deal with it. However, the first time a throw-in was used to launch the ball into the England goal area it ended up in the back of Hart's net.This reminds me of when we faced a similar scenario away to Stoke a few moons ago with Rory Delap at that time launching missiles on throw ins as part of Stoke's Pulis orientated neanderthal approach to playing the game and everyone was warning Wenger about this danger -including Delap himself. Wenger paid no attention though of course to that as is his way and of Stoke exploited the Delap long throw-in to good effect in the same way that Iceland did v England. By the way England were obviously very poor at the French show but it seemed to me that they outplayed Wales who defended in depth like frightened rabbits Ramsey went missing in that England game so before we suddenly elevate 'Rambo' to world class status I suggest waiting to see how he gets on in the next game .Something is not adding up here .

  13. jjetplane

    Jun 29, 2016, 11:15 #90535

    Arsene says he would love to work with Rooney and Woy's biggest mistake was not taking Theo who is now seen in a 'misunderstood genius' light. So he may take it and now that Henry has shown how he has nothing in the locker off the field he may well find himself in the big chair at Stan's Home for Rich, tired young men (see Jack - gum stretching exercises after a defeat?). With Pep, JM and Conti ready to do a multi-Fergie type attack on what is left of Arsenal, a six month stint with big top top pay out for taking England to a world ranking of 157th may sound an all together more pleasurable experience.

  14. Stroud

    Jun 29, 2016, 11:03 #90534

    Badarse-Great to see you're back and not as politically correct as you once were.Good on yer.

  15. Arseneknewbest

    Jun 29, 2016, 10:27 #90533

    Mark - Nice one. You've painted a powerful and unpleasant image of Jamee son (which is disturbingly close to the one I have). Mine involves him standing in front of a full length mirror with his hair in a greasy pony tail and with a very small paper cup in his free hand as he moans, "Arsene, ooh Arsene". Great minds think alike, or are we really deviants as Jamee claims? But to call for the return of the real badarse? There we're on different ground - I prefer westie's tic tac rhetoric and Lee KFC's no sense approach, oh and Finsbury Joe in his cockerel jockey's uniform (who's been strangely absent since St Totteringham's day).

  16. Bard

    Jun 29, 2016, 9:27 #90532

    Untold; your moniker says it all really, sniping behind a fake name. There are indeed some good articles on Untold, although most are of the whining,' its not fair type' but the important point is its attitude to debate and criticism. Its heavily censored to the extent that there is no debate. All aternative views are deemed anti Arsenal/Arsene and banned. In the end its just a mutual masturbation site. I prefer a little porn with my porridge. I enjoy the banter here and the debate. Mark; spot on fake Baddie indeed. Probably Jamerson in one of his many alternative identities

  17. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jun 29, 2016, 9:03 #90531

    Fake Badarse - we need the real Badarse back, he added depth to the site and the tantrums were entertaining. Jameson meanwhile needs to be honest with himself. Many of us suspect he's furtively on GrindR taking ketamine and muscle relaxants by the bucketful whilst praying to the devil . Because he can't deal with his closet behaviour ihe continuously bombards us with tedious oafish rubbish. When we sort out his issues he will be a happier man. After all it is he who is apparently retiring from Arsenal. He sounds washed out.

  18. Badarse

    Jun 29, 2016, 8:43 #90530

    Can we not all be friends,I have a pocket full of jelly babies all as plump as Woy.

  19. Ned Kelly's Bucket Head

    Jun 29, 2016, 8:06 #90529

    Oz: now, now, stop perpetuating your famous national inferiority complex. OK, so you got a bit of a slap in the rugger and cricket, but try to move on, eh?

  20. Arseneknewbest

    Jun 29, 2016, 8:04 #90528

    Ozzie/Aussie - I thought you might have already realised that most of us on here were not exactly ingerland fans. People in glass houses though should not throw stones - didn't p*ss-poor ingerland actually beat a certain antipodean green and gold minnow and former rubgy and cricketing nation in the run up to the euros? And no, I'm not talking about NZ who do their talking on the field and are good sports off it. An aussie once told me, "not only are we bad losers, we're bad winners too".

  21. Ozzie

    Jun 29, 2016, 7:37 #90527

    Seeing as, politically, you've pulled out of Europe, how about you save yourselves more embarrassment and pull out of UEFA and get back your own football sovereignty giving your home bred footballers a go and an opportunity to develop? Getting regularly walloped by minnows at your own game? A bit hard to take by that traditional English pride I would have thought. Had you not so many overseas players in your teams sucking up all the funds and glory maybe a few of those players that played for England would have had far more games/experience under their belts.

  22. Made Up Stat

    Jun 29, 2016, 7:23 #90526

    Wenger the new England manager? Do you think he’s really qualified to lead a team that never performs well in European competition?

  23. Arseneknewbest

    Jun 29, 2016, 6:48 #90525

    Message to Greg Dyke and the chihuahua-headed former Arsenal manager - Please, please, please choose Weng for the job greggy (and sooner rather than later because there's a risk that you'll come to your senses if you dawdle). Your joint ineptitude, money-grubbing ways and sheer mediocrity make you perfect bedfellows. You deserve each other. Offer him more than the £8 million a year he gets at the wok and his head'll turn quicker than a blairite MP.

  24. Genuine gooner

    Jun 28, 2016, 21:59 #90524

    Website editor. You really do desperately need to take a good look at the contributions from some so called English and Arsenal fans on here. Before the season begins I would like to predict that the gooner fanzine has a year left before it disappears up its own backside. Time is running out and you will be left with the drivel and repetitive comments that drive away the genuine fan. Please wake up. Or maybe don't.

  25. Alsace

    Jun 28, 2016, 21:12 #90523

    No premier league players playing for England. Great idea. Championship teams have to play to a system and do what they are told. I thought Hodgson had some brains but his non use of Vardy proved otherwise. What is Rooney doing in the team? Please please can the next manager GET RID of HIM.

  26. mbg

    Jun 28, 2016, 20:46 #90522

    And something that has just struck me, and something i'd love to know, how many of the England fans booing, singing you don't know what your doing, etc, and giving him abuse at the match, and giving him a hell of a lot worse all over social media like calling him an fooking embarrassment to England, etc, etc, etc, are AKB wengerites ? hypocritical or what.

  27. mbg

    Jun 28, 2016, 20:26 #90521

    Hiccup, love it, and your dead right, how does TOF do it ?how does he get away with it ? and come up smelling lika boots counter everytime, really how does he ? and what a bloody neck he has to walk or skulk down the tunnel shaking his head as if it's somebody else's fault. Obviously the AKB wengerites and wengers little lovvies are a hell of a lot more forgiving than the England fans, and fair play to the England fans for that. And yes as someone has already said at least hodgson (unlike OGL)had the decency to resign.

  28. Red martin

    Jun 28, 2016, 19:47 #90520

    Nice one hiccup

  29. Nbgooner

    Jun 28, 2016, 19:15 #90519

    I hear Wenger for England. Perfect, I think many Arsenal fans would sacrifice the team in the National interest. Wingers is the man.

  30. John F

    Jun 28, 2016, 19:07 #90518

    England had a manager who played people out of position,shoe horned his favourite player into midfield,played with only one wide player,did not appear to study the opposition ,made substitution s at the wrong time,could not defend set pieces.Wenger is in the betting for the job and if he did go England would have a manager who plays people out of position,shoe horns fav players in,does not appear to study the opposition,makes70 mins substitution s and can't get his team to defend set pieces.I find it strange that you never see Wenger and Roy together at the same time,bit like me and Brad Pitt.Hoddle was doing a good job with England until the faith healing bit.With all the jobs that have been on offer lately,Hoddle has not been linked with any of them which must mean his oddball reputation still puts clubs off.

  31. Hiccup

    Jun 28, 2016, 18:57 #90517

    I think some of the comparisons of Hodgson with Wenger are a tad unfair on our Frenchman. Did you see Hodgson's face on 70 minutes? It was just sheer 'what the f*ck do I do here?' Wenger under similar circumstances would have at least sat down on his hands and rocked to and fro in the dugout whilst trying to think of a solution. And on 85 minutes just what the hell was Roy playing at? Basically sat there with his hand on his head? Get off your arse and go give the 4th official some sh!t for Gods sake! You've got 5 minutes to save the day, and you need to be kicking off with the officials to show you've been hard done to. I have to admit, when Wenger has faced humiliating defeats, he comes out of it with far more dignity and pride than Roy.

  32. mbg

    Jun 28, 2016, 18:57 #90516

    Did you see them lying all over the pitch ? tongues out fingers, hands, fists in their mouths ( nicotine jack)looking all around then watching Iceland celebrate wondering whose fault that was and who was to blame (just like wenger and Arsenal) you'd think after an embarrassment and humiliation like that they'd want to get off the pitch ASAP and hide their faces instead of hanging around making it worse just like our wasters do.

  33. JollyJumper

    Jun 28, 2016, 18:27 #90515

    Hello Kevin, It is / was nice reading your reflections from France and Euro16. Glad you are safely back home in your sofa. Well said. But it was all on the table: FA + Woy + 5 Sp*rs players (He, he...) + Rooney as midfielder etc, etc. I can not imagine that Wilshere and Henderson, who did not play nearly the whole season for their teams, were called in by Woy. Probably Drinkwater (Leicester) and Noble (West Ham) are still asking themselves: 'What I have to do more during a season to be called in National Team by Woy?' Football in England needs structural in-depth reconstruction ... FA itself, education of coaches, juniors system education / promotion, artificial pitches, to scrap PGMOL and get back referees to refreshed FA, etc. Unfortunately for all the fans of English football, I think nothing mentioned will happen. You pointed out so well "... after the disaster in Brazil." = nothing happened. So, the result is normal. Well played Iceland!!

  34. peter wain

    Jun 28, 2016, 16:20 #90514

    why Hoddle never been anything but a talker could not manage a rice pudding. In my opinion too many scum players in last nights match. we do not want another scumbag as manager.

  35. Deighty

    Jun 28, 2016, 16:17 #90513

    England will NEVER compete until the whole ethos changes at club level to start developing the kids with natural football ability and vision instead of athleticism. Running away from the ball looking for a long pass over rather going to the ball and giving options has always been our downfall. Every time a new headless chicken comes along, Steriing, Walcott, Townsend et al, the press build them only to find out that without football ability or brains they're actually crap.

  36. mbg

    Jun 28, 2016, 15:20 #90510

    What i'd like to know is who is carrying Leo the lion today, LOL.

  37. Mark

    Jun 28, 2016, 14:36 #90509

    The truth is the greatest ever England manager Sir Alf was hated by the press because he did what he wanted and not what the press wanted.Hodgson like his predecessors picked players the press wanted.Its the media who build Wilshere Walcott Sterling and Alli up to be the next great thing.How many articles did you read saying Wilshere has to play?And Hodgson caved in.Those bastards at Talksport build up a player after 2 good games.I remember Gooners having a go at Waddle when he said 6 years ago Walcott didn't have a brain was he wrong?No.Southgate will get the job even though he is McLaren mark 2.But he is a yes man.My choice would be AVB

  38. Bard

    Jun 28, 2016, 14:26 #90508

    After the Italy Spain game it was a shocker.Dismal viewing. We looked close to the poorest team in the competition. I hope you are wrong about Jack, but he looked laboured and slow. It would be a crying shame if he is finished. I think Glenda would be a bonkers choice.

  39. mbg

    Jun 28, 2016, 13:58 #90507

    Why do England managers always insist on picking, taking players who aren't fit or even still with injuries to tournaments and then playing them ? is it just the old favourite syndrome again ? you couldn't make it up.

  40. mbg

    Jun 28, 2016, 13:44 #90506

    Are we really surprised Kev, (now where have we heard that before ?) it was said on here by myself a few weeks ago that as usual England would be returning with their tales between their legs and then shuffled through some side door at the airport out of sight, on to their luxury coach and away, low and behold, i didn't think they'd be so embarrassed and humiliated in the process. Contrast that to little minnows of N,Ireland welcomed home like/as heroes with that many going to turn up at the airport it wasn't allowed, and they made a special appearance at the fan zone at the titanic quarter for the fans, where they actually had to make it ticket only.

  41. jeff wright

    Jun 28, 2016, 13:41 #90505

    I had to laugh seeing our old Inspector Clueless being offered up by the bookies at 8-1 to be the next England manager.You couldn't make it up. This is the manager who advised Woy to take Wilshere to France - despite him having only played 2 hours of football in the last year - he is probably already past his best anyway down due to Wenger having over played him when he was younger .The same Wenger who made the hapless Spaniard Almunia captain of AFC and told him to take out Brit citizenship so he could play for England ! The same Wenger who gets his silly ass kicked in the last 16 EVERY season in Europe .A man with all the tactical nous that god gave a duck's arse. Wenger and Woy share many similarities - arrogance being one of them and not least in that they both overrate themselves and the players who show them loyalty but who always get found out when the heat is on them to produce results . England would have done better with Andy Carol up front with high crosses on corners and free-kicks aimed at him to head at goal . Ask Keystone Kos about it.

  42. jjetplane

    Jun 28, 2016, 13:15 #90504

    Ha ha! Loved last night's game to death and cannot wait to visit Iceland sooner than later cause they've got proper geysers there! Love that ****ing chant ooh! ..... Ooh! .... Total warrior syndrone unlike Engerlund's Twat Troop (main culprits Hart and Rooney) and poor very little Jack but the Spud lads will be OK and will still do better than Arsene FC next season as will Klopp now he has got Mane but let's talk about Conti who is total ****ing gladiator chief (see him jumping up on the dug out!) Next season will be hilarious and do hope Pep sells Hart to Arsene for 50m. Loving Iceland all night long even when it is daylight .... Ooh! ..... Ooh! ..... Alright there Jamerson? lol! As Wales voted to leave I hope they get trounced! & whatabout Hazard?! ps anyone know if Giroud is still in France?! lol!

  43. Tony Evans

    Jun 28, 2016, 13:06 #90503

    World Cup qualifying up next - easy group (again), should top it (again) and no doubt will fail (again) come the tournament proper. I will not bother to watch any of it. Had more than enough of England over the years (1990 and 1996 apart, when they made a good fist of it). The first England game I can remember is the 3-2 loss to Germany in 1970 and it's been downhill virtually all the way since then.

  44. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 28, 2016, 12:15 #90502

    You could not get our players to play a tactical game like Italy did against Spain, we do not have the dedication,itelligence or tactical appreciation of team play at the highest level. The PL is exciting only because the defending is so poor and when a team sets out to play defensively it is called "parking the bus" when in fact in other footballing countries good defending is expected. The Premier League "glitz" has replaced basic football practises, many on this site have been posting how average some of our so called stars are compared to their European counterparts. Players at our own club defy football logic to play in a way that causes the team to fail collectively year in year out, due in no small part to a manager who does not work on the defensive side of football and is obsessed with possession rather than scoring and preventing goals from being scored. For England to improve you would be better selecting squads from the Championship, Div 1 & 2 rather than the next England manager trying to explain to some multi millionaire why we don't flick the ball on without knowing where it is going and why I want you to support your team mates in certain areas of the pitch. England going now, just means we can concentrate on the higher levels of teamwork by the sides now left in the competition.

  45. RedPig

    Jun 28, 2016, 12:11 #90501

    Anyone know what Barry Fry is up to these days? Give him a call.

  46. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 28, 2016, 12:03 #90500

    Steve Archibald. Steve Sedgeley. Nico Clausen. Michael Brown. John Pratt. Barry Daines. Steffan Freund, can you hear me? Ronnie Rosenthal, Graham Roberts can you hear me? YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING.

  47. Ron

    Jun 28, 2016, 12:01 #90499

    The real surprise Kev is that people were surprised that Ingerland lost. The barely deserved to get through the group. No need for the usual post mortem and navel gazing either. English footballers arent particularly good at football. They never have been. Sure, they can run and kick and bust a gut here and there but they lack it physically and intellectually and as such the players and english coaches cant and wont ever be tactically adept, like the Europeans who have always placed a greater store on such aspects of the game. Coaching has come on in leaps and bounds in Europe this last 30 years. In England its stood still. Arrogance and ignorance remains the rule instead of learning, humility and development. Charles Hughes still reigns supreme at Burton on Trent. Well done the Icemen. They and their fans been great whatever happens to them now. Iceland have just brightened up a hitherto dull tournament. Good riddance to sneeering and surly England and their moronic fans. They play Malta next. Could possibly get a draw with them and then crow about how the 'new' brush will sweep clean all before it and create the mood for winning the next WC and on it goes ............and goes......

  48. jeff wright

    Jun 28, 2016, 11:52 #90498

    made up(yawn) neither do you and my advice to you is that you should give up on your patronizing approach .It just makes you look a silly Billy.So where did you expect England to end up in the tournament then > ?

  49. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jun 28, 2016, 11:31 #90497

    Should of taken theo with him.twice he left him out and look what happened .was there a row in the camp?

  50. Made Up Stat

    Jun 28, 2016, 11:24 #90496

    Jeff W: Man, you really don't do humour, do you?

  51. Torbay gooner

    Jun 28, 2016, 11:21 #90495

    As you say Kevin, the national team is the gift that keeps on giving. Technically the players were shocking last night. Let's face it, it's been 20 years since England last had a decent tournament. Mmm, wonder what Venables is doing these days?

  52. Tony

    Jun 28, 2016, 11:04 #90494

    Kev you want Hoddle to come back?Did you hear his bonkers commentary last night.He is on another planet.Have you forgotten his assistant Eileen Drewery?And his comments about the disabled?.The guy is as nutty as Jeremy Corbyn.England are like Arsenal in the CL their limit is last 16.The desperation to get Wilshere to play shows how poor England are.Play 1 game all season and go to a tournament?Would Germany do that?

  53. jeff wright

    Jun 28, 2016, 10:53 #90493

    Made Up ( yawn) every team in the tournament, apart from one , will lose .Last 16 or Q/F is England's level . Last 16 is Spain's this time around after being champs for the last 8 years in Europe.Wales have done best out of the home contingent but England beat them so perhaps they are punching above their weight as they say in Boxing terminology. Did you expect England to win the tournament >? Most of the attraction of these tournaments for supporters is about doing flag waving and indulging in a bout of patriotic fervor. You only have to look at the crowds to see this. Some of the England bashes are raving nationalists themselves all though they try to pretend otherwise .You couldn't make it up.

  54. Paul

    Jun 28, 2016, 10:52 #90492

    Too many players who have achieved nothing playing for England How can players like permanently injured Wilshere who started one game in 15 months for his club and hopeless Walcott and Ox who dont even start for their own clubs get caps? Rooney is the most over-rated player of this generation yes he has done good at Man Utd but he hasnt turned up for one tournament since 2004.The best comment i heard this morning was come August last night will be forgotten when Sky and the BBC brainwash us into believing the Prem is the best league in the world.It isnt.Last night wasnt a blip its been going on for 50 years

  55. Made Up Stat

    Jun 28, 2016, 10:34 #90491

    The thing that constantly surprises me is when people say after yet another abysmal defeat that they're surprised England lost.