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Euro2016 – There were seven other knockout ties



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So after the words on England’s shameful exit yesterday, some brief thoughts on the other seven matches that took place between Saturday and Monday. Although first, I see that the FA are interested in Arsene Wenger as the next England manager. He’s been asked before, and I can’t see any change in his response this time, even if they were to wait a year for him. He might be given the opportunity to manage the French national side after Didier Deschamps, but that is the only national job he would take. And only on the basis that it is effectively a form or semi-retirement. He would not consider the idea unless his options for coaching on a daily basis were no more. And can anyone see him managing another club after Arsenal, given the power he enjoys there? The worry is that he is so addicted to the job (he has admitted there is nothing else in his life) that he will want to continue after the current deal ends. My suspicion is that Arsenal will out of the top four next season, and another manager will be given a chance to take the club to the higher level they have been struggling to attain ever since the stadium move. Whether or not his stock will still be high enough for an international job then remains to be seen. What the England team really need is a motivator and an organizer to get the best out of the players. There are actually a lot of similarities between them and Arsenal in that respect, so Wenger should be the last man they choose for the job. However, the FA doesn’t think that way.

Anyway, on a side note, I was looking at the 2020 finals, which will be held in stadiums all over the continent, knowing that the semis and final will be held at Wembley. The group stage and first two knockout rounds are going to be held in 12 different countries. I have a feeling that the schedule for one team could go something like: group games in Azerbaijan, Denmark and Belgium followed by knockout games in Spain and Russia. I can quite firmly promise you right now that I will not be attempting to see a match in every one of the stadiums used for the finals (13 in all) although I might be tempted to do, say, a week in Bilbao (where the games that Spain host will be played) and catch a couple of group matches.

So, let’s return to the novel idea of holding all the games in the same country. And this individual spending so long glued to the sofa that I will admit to falling asleep during a couple of the matches – and if we are talking Croatia against Portugal, that wasn’t difficult. Anyhow, in chronological order…

Switzerland v Poland – Back on Granit Xhaka watch, I have to say I felt he had hardly any influence on the game. A poor man’s Gilberto – without any likelihood of the Brazilian’s goals. The first 90 minutes was the classic game of two halves. Poland dominating the opening 45 minutes. Lewandowski looked knackered. Extra time was very predictable with both sides more worried about not losing than winning. As for the penalty shoot out, what can be said about the new Arsenal signing’s spot kick? It was firmly struck, I’ll give him that. Goodbye Switzerland.

Wales v Northern Ireland – Looking at the starting line-ups, I noted that all but three of the Welsh players were with Premier League clubs, and one of the trio as a certain Gareth Bale. And I am counting Burnley as a Championship team for the sake of this. Norn Ireland only had three players at Premier League clubs. It didn’t take much foresight to work out the boys in green would be tough to break down, but in the end, quality told. Bale’s ability broke the deadlock, and the conquered Irishmen received a hero’s welcome back home, in spite of winning just one game out of four. At the end of the day, they were playing a forward who turns out for Birmingham City during the season. Bale on the other hand is the world’s most expensive player. They have done well to even be at the finals. And their supporters had a damn good time.

Croatia v Portugal – The first 90 minutes were a lesson in how to ensure you increase your chances in the lottery of the penalty shoot out. It was pleasing that the game was settled before we had to have spot kicks, even if we had to wait a long time for the goal. Croatia’s pony-tailed centre back seemed to get all their chances and should have scored at least one of them. Have to say that William Carvalho looks better than Xhaka in the position – far more influential. I know Arsenal were linked with him a year or two back, but it looks like that boat has sailed.

France v Republic of Ireland – So no revenge for Thierry Henry’s handball back in 2009 then. Ultimately, quality told here. Organization and spirit can take you all the way, as Greece proved in 2004, but in truth it can be actually quite dull to watch. France have taken time to get going in every game, and against the Irish, Giroud played well as the linkman. If Arsenal plan to splash the cash on a proven goalscorer, they could do a lot worse than signing Andre Griezmann. Come on Arsene, he’s even French. Paul Pogba is beginning to show his class and Sagna’s cross for the opening goal was a reminder of the days we had at least one full back who could deliver from wide. The Republic had a dream start with the penalty, but France look to be improving as the tournament progresses after a fairly dodgy first three matches.

Germany v Slovakia – A predictable and painless German win – they could even afford a Mesut Ozil penalty miss. Apparently Thomas Muller did not take it because he’s missed a couple for Bayern recently. Who’d have thought it? The Germans short of penalty takers! The roof in Lille was open, as it should have been for the Italy v Ireland game last Wednesday night. Could not believe they relaid the pitch for this game mid-tournament. It looked awful, but apparently played ok. I fell asleep during the second half after the third goal. If I was Arseblog I’d have made a note about what I dreamt about, but I’m not.

Belgium v Hungary - Was this really ever in doubt? Class told, with Eden Hazard finding his form. Hungary could not live with the Belgians over 90 minutes, although for a long time they were more resistant than the Irish had been in Bordeaux. But it couldn’t last. The 24 team format allows a lot of countries a shot at glory, but it will be the usual suspects that will be there at the death. Belgium are ranked number 2 in the world by FIFA. They are on the up and surely the favourites to make the final from their half of the draw now.

Italy v Spain - Tika taka is dead. Take out Lionel Messi and possession football, as played by Spain, can be nullified. Spain won everything between 2008 and 2012, but their dominance seems to be over. Italy do what Italy do best. Win football matches in whatever way is required. Italy v Germany looks a cracker on paper. And as for the passion of Antonio Conte – I have said it before and I will say it again. Chelsea have an excellent chance of winning the title with this guy running the show. He is Mourinho mark II. I am really looking forward to next season’s Premier League. Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte, Klopp. There will be more entertainment on the sidelines than the pitch. Arsene needs to up his game…

To finish, a few general thoughts. There were a lot of fans of the competing teams at all the games mixed together in ‘neutral areas’ – and I was not aware of any problems between fans in these areas. The problems came from within the sections allocated to the fans by the FA’s of countries themselves. I saw problems there with Russian fans attacking England fans in the neighbouring neutral section, and Turkish fans fighting between themselves. And of course there was the in-fighting of the Croatian fans. But outside these areas, fans could watch the game together without getting into a fight.

You may have noticed that at times, stewards between the fans and the pitch held a rope between them to prevent fans getting past them. Eh? How is that going to stop anyone? It certainly didn’t stop the Russians in Marseille. Really not sure about this idea.

Tactics – We have seen the return to prominence of sides that use defence rather than attack to progress. However, this does not concern me for football generally. Cup football is about survival. Making sure you do not lose. League football requires points – so that two wins and a defeat is worth double what you get for three draws. I am fairly certain the majority of matches in the tournament have seen less than 2.5 goals for those that bet on over or under. And I suspect that will continue now. Matches generally get even tighter as the final gets nearer, with the odd exception.

I’ll be back with more musings after the quarter finals. I predict the following to progress – Portugal, Belgium, Italy and France.


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  1. Alsace

    Jul 02, 2016, 18:34 #90606

    Watching Wales was a thoroughly uplifting experience, unlike Arsenal or England. Players who are not overpaid tur&& and a coach with a plan.

  2. mbg

    Jul 02, 2016, 15:02 #90598

    Apparently the England players want TOF, they say he's they're man, God help them, not only do they not know what their doing now they don't know what they're saying, if they were in trouble before they're certainly fooked now.

  3. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 23:13 #90588

    jj, your right, I've always thought, and said, (like a lot of us)some of these players could and would be better than they are under other managers (any manager) who knows what he's doing and can coach them properly and get more out of them, wenger only ruins them.

  4. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 01, 2016, 23:12 #90587

    MBG - I'm sure Claude would respect the humour in that. Ty is a frigging nightmare

  5. jjetplane

    Jul 01, 2016, 23:06 #90586

    Robson Kanu left on the football scrapheap by Wenger at 15 - look at him today! Arsene knows Jack ....

  6. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 23:03 #90585

    Mark from Aylesbury, is it any wonder the man gets depression, having to listen to that halfwit AKB ty, and all his gear.

  7. jjetplane

    Jul 01, 2016, 22:55 #90584

    Wales were amazing in a brilliant game. Ramsay is so likeable away from the toxicity of Wengaworld where no ambition exists other than to sell seats and shirts in faraway places like Richmond yahhhh ..... Please do not come back Aaron and go to a club who have an actual team. Same goes for Bellerin (who? ha ha) Ozil and Sanchez which will give Wenger the space to revitalise his English spine in time for his takeover at said Engerlund. The world is in fits of laughter. Untold are saying England's failure is being blamed on little Jack when we know it was Woy's failure to bring Theo .... Wales are unbeliveable .....

  8. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 22:42 #90583

    There you are now wengerites (especially the ones who keep asking who do you replace him with, yawn)yet another name to add to the list to replace him, Chris Coleman.

  9. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 01, 2016, 20:16 #90582

    Website Admin - I'm a little cheesed off that you continue to publish negative comments about Jeremy Corbyn on here yet you're unnaturally hasty to delete anything I or others might try to write in his defence. This man is a gooner who has supported the club when they needed him and has gone to great pains to recognise their achievements. In my latest deleted post I drew West Cork Frank's attention to my view that Corbyn was far from similar to Arsene Wenger. What was wrong with that? Let's have some balance please - and some recognition that I'm posting about AFC AND Corbyn when there is a case for doing so. Otherwise, there's a risk that people will think the Gooner is morphing into the BBC or any other number of right-wing media outlets. There's no denying that the Arsenal and JC are two cornerstones of North Islington - we should celebrate that, not censor it.

  10. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 01, 2016, 20:01 #90581

    Mark - Thanks - worrying news. Everyone on this site who lives in the London area should google Claude (or Claudio Callegari) to see if they recognise him and have seen him in the last 48 hours. There are plenty of pictures of him available. I hope he's found soon.

  11. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 01, 2016, 18:15 #90580

    On a separate note I understand that Claude the well known front man on Arsenal TV has gone missing and I gather he does get depression. Hope you're all right my man and keep safe. Whatever opinions we have depression is a horrible business. if you are reading this keep safe and get in touch with friends and / or relatives as soon as you can

  12. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 15:50 #90577

    ArseneKnewBest, the perfect scenario, with all the humiliations, embarrassments, mistakes, rants, excuses, etc, etc, along the way thrown in of course, and that's all it would take two short years (or less)for the rest of the world to realise and see what we already know, what a fraud he really is.

  13. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 01, 2016, 14:35 #90576

    Mbg - TOF goes to see Greggy Dyke for his interview for the ingerland job: GD - Arsene, It's very simple. We want you to replicate the success that you've enjoyed with Arsenal in this job. TOF - Putain, I see zat Ingerland have been drawn against some big teams in zeir qualifying group, par exemple, Scotland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania et le mighty Malta. C'est un big ask but I reckon I can do it. GD - Splendid Arsene, the job's yours - here's £9 million. Two years later - GD Arsene, wtf have you done - we only finished fourth and have therefore failed to qualify for the Soviet World Cup - 'kin 'ell mate?!? TOF - Well greggy you did say in the interview that you wanted me to replicate the success I had at Arsenal! Ou est mon cheque s'il vous plait?

  14. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 13:57 #90575

    Apparently TOF is willing to discuss the England job, unfortunately he wants them to wait for next season, what an ego, make him an offer he can't refuse now for fooks sake.

  15. Peter Wain

    Jul 01, 2016, 12:40 #90574

    Kante to Cheski another one bits the dust

  16. Redshirtswhitwsleeves

    Jul 01, 2016, 12:32 #90573

    Man Ure are gonna be more unbearable than ever before, if that's even possible, with Maureen and Ibrahimovic, still at least their fans can see signs of genuine ambition unlike us poor saps waiting for wenger and co to pull their fingers out of their arsenals

  17. jjetplane

    Jul 01, 2016, 11:45 #90572

    Corbyn is a top man and a proper gooner unlike some of the seemingly right wing Blairite euro casuals on here. And of course we await Jamerson's 'brilliant' song and the problem for next season is their is only one PL on offer so Wenger may even find a top ten place out of reach Can't wait and here's to Jeremy running the country who is not on 8m a year for playing with his zip.

  18. West Cork Frank

    Jul 01, 2016, 9:01 #90571

    Corbyn and Wenger have so much in common. Both are crap at their job, insipid, weak people. Most frustrating of all is they are more than willing to put their perceived ideological superiority above the interest / welfare of the Party / Club. Wenger / Corbyn out.

  19. Peter Wain

    Jul 01, 2016, 8:24 #90570

    This Japanese world super star. Has he signed?

  20. Kockney Gooner in New York

    Jul 01, 2016, 4:41 #90569

    ....look on the bright side .....we have what 6 weeks to start of season (6 x 7 days is 42 days) of daily obsessing of what big star we will buy ! Ground hog!

  21. Edmund

    Jul 01, 2016, 2:11 #90568

    Any striker AW buys is a waste of money. I think it all boils down to what is done on the training pitch. I dont know who these guys are but we should get the castaways involved in striker training from Fergie's time at MU. It cant be coincidence that they churn out great goalscorers who can carry the team while RVP was out last exception. Even RVP had an injury free title winning season with a mediocre MU side. So they must have done him some good. Did they join Leicester?

  22. mbg

    Jul 01, 2016, 0:14 #90567

    ArseneKnewBest, 5ft 7 half price, great sense of humour, if a couple of the PC brigade were still here they'd have pulled you up on it, but it explains why tight arse wenger always buys dwarfs.

  23. John F

    Jun 30, 2016, 23:53 #90566

    Asano will have a hard task to catch up with ju young park or was it park chu young shirt sales in Korea.Lets hope he can make it past park then Arsenal could have a statue in his honour for the highest amount of Asian shirt sales.

  24. mbg

    Jun 30, 2016, 22:57 #90565

    With those top managers already here and those coming in and all the real class players their signing as everyday goes by, and going to sign, we have this old bumbling fool of a manager wenger doing what he has done for the last ten fooking years (and we're all sitting here allowing it to happen too) doing exactly the same as he's always done, get two or three cart horses no better than we already have (and tell us all they're world class) and start all over again (even though he's already been beaten to it)and try yet again to win the league on the cheap, and prove this point he's been trying years to prove and failing miserably, and get one over on, and stick his fingers up at these top managers who are spending money on proper players, and it's all down to his own overinflated ego and pet project with no regards to the club, it's reputation or it's fans, what a bloody old fraud we have, and we have to put up with this for another season ? Jesus H we have to get him out. wenger out.

  25. Big Andy

    Jun 30, 2016, 20:44 #90563

    The signing of this Japanese player makes perfect financial sense. For a fairly modest outlay we can now sell zillions of shirts and other merchandise in "a highly lucrative Asian market". Who cares if this player is rubbish? We can probably make fourth and claim all that lovely CL money without a world-class striker.

  26. Arseneknewbest

    Jun 30, 2016, 18:55 #90562

    John F - Ouch - just "researched" Asano-san and it turns out he's 5 ft 7. I don't mean to sound height-ist but if he does sign, there'll be a strong case for getting him half-price! Imagine how he'd deal with Huth, Shawcross, Vertonghen et al. Still, as you say the shirts'll be flying off the shelves quicker than you can say Junichi Inamoto (nah mate he went of his own accord). Maybe we're about to inaugurate a pre-season tourney for homuncules...Jjet, the prisoner meets the muppet hi-fi, north of Watford junction... The meaning of that particular line always eluded me (just like you I guess, I would spend hours tying make sense of some of them), but Mick Jones's guitar at the start of that track always lifts my spirits. Stay Free mate.

  27. jjetplane

    Jun 30, 2016, 18:35 #90561

    AknewB twas me with the Hammersmith Palais post and the b side has also that great lyric 'prisoner lives in Camden Town/selling revolution' and then you have Arsene lamenting 'all lost in the supermarket/can no longer shop happily/came in here/for the Vardy offer/ ...... Funniest of the lot is spoof subtitles to Downfall movie doint the internet rounds with Boris as Adolf - superb ****! Jeremy Corbyn is my main man - don't see him running away ....

  28. John F

    Jun 30, 2016, 18:32 #90560

    Hold on to your hat Peter Wain rumours are we our about to sign the superstar striker Asano from Japan .Yet another shirt seller from Japan who will make 2 appearance's in the league cup and you can just hear Wenger saying we have real quality up front now and don't forget sanogoal.

  29. mbg

    Jun 30, 2016, 17:51 #90558

    Peter Wain, yes all this Euro bollox is a saviour for this old past it manager we have and his apologists,(especially England) it's taking the attention and heat of/away from him and his failures and failings (him and cronies must love that)but by fook that won't be allowed to happen, don't be expecting any major singings only the most bright eyed optimistic wenger worshipers are doing that, everybody else knows better, no there'll be a couple more top top qualittee second raters and we'll be good to go, and he'll have gotton away with it yet again, what a fooking fraud. wenger out.

  30. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jun 30, 2016, 13:20 #90557

    Big shout going out to Iceland's no 8, Birkir Bjarnason. Thought he was outstanding against Hengerlund. How about the possibility of a move to Arsenal.

  31. jeff wright

    Jun 30, 2016, 12:11 #90556

    Ozzie , in some cases it's pot calling kettle ...people in glasshouses...you couldn't make it up. Badarse is Jeremy Corbyn in disguise ...Jeremy can be seen sometimes at The Emirates shouting... come on you reds!

  32. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jun 30, 2016, 11:54 #90555

    Can we nick the icelandic chant before some on else

  33. Bard

    Jun 30, 2016, 11:48 #90554

    PW; I wouldnt say I am excited by the euros but I do like to see good football of the kind played by Italy and Germany. You havent been paying attention over the last 10 years if you are waiting for us to sign a top striker. I would expect that the fall out from Brexit financially makes it less likely that we will buy. My view is that there will be a bit of tinkering here and there and more of the same next year. As Kev says it would come as no surprise to see us slide out of the top 4 next season.

  34. Bard

    Jun 30, 2016, 10:55 #90553

    Edmund; yes he went missing some while ago. The last time I saw him was at Speakers corner lecturing the faithful on the perils of life after the Weng. Colsey, Leeky, Westlife and many from Untold were in attendance.

  35. Edmund

    Jun 30, 2016, 10:15 #90552

    Does anyone personally know the teal Badarse? He's gone missing for quite a while now. From his postings I gather he is rather elderly having memories of games when I was sill in diapers. Hope he's ok.

  36. Arseneknewbest

    Jun 30, 2016, 10:00 #90551

    Jjet - Agreed - bigots are coming out of the woodwork in all walks of life at the moment. Someone - it may have been you - recently posted that Clash lyric from "WM in Hammersmith Palais" about a certain former German Chancellor and a limousine. Their lyrics always told the truth but now seem particularly honest and apposite. Marx and Orwell will be turning in their grave...hoping that Arsene will sign a proper striker this summmer (that last little nugget will, I hope, satisfy the thought police that edit this site). Jamee son: 6-9-10 You could be onto something there - with that team formation, maybe even Arsene could win the title. It's gotta have more chance than 4-2-3-1 I reckon.

  37. jjetplane

    Jun 30, 2016, 9:27 #90550

    AKnewB add Jeff Farage to that pair and we have an axis of troubled bigotry. Excellent stuff Kev and Conti, Pep, Klopp, Koeman and JM (overseen by the mischief of Ranieri) will make for serious touchline passion plays. Looks like Zipwatch will be dropped as viewing numbers slumber for a club once called Arsenal. ps thank God for atheism and for the deviant blueprints courtesy of the bible. Only the lord knows what goes on in those sheds but flagellation of the self is a well tried option.

  38. Peter Wain

    Jun 30, 2016, 8:36 #90549

    Am I the only one who does not give a toss about the Euros. What about the transfer window and as usual OGL complete lack of activity in buying the top top quality he is always banging on about. He has never bought top top quality ever and probably would not recognise it if it hit him in the eye. An now we hear another contract what a total joke the Arsenal management is. Kroenke sell your shares and disappear you have done absolutely nothing for the club except take money out.

  39. Felix

    Jun 30, 2016, 8:25 #90548

    Miaaaoooowwww!!!!

  40. Ozzie

    Jun 30, 2016, 3:14 #90547

    In a world where you can no longer open yer gob without offending someone it becomes a case of 'think but don't speak' which is obviously repression and do you know what that means? It means issues fester rather than get dealt with openly. People won't learn to be respectful by being gagged. People need to say what's on their minds and open themselves to challenge because that is how we gain wider perspective and insight into our own narrowness (which is mostly inherited, anyway.) You can call me anything you wish and take the p##s and I will laugh with you because I cannot be offended as I have no allegiances nor mental structures to protect. This may seem OT but it is very much connected to football tribalism and the attitudes that are generated therefrom.

  41. mbg

    Jun 29, 2016, 23:23 #90546

    Kev, fair and honest summing up on N,Ireland v Wales, we certainly punched above weight throughout, that Germany game could have been five or six, but we held on and that was the result 1-0, that got us through, the Welsh ? I honestly thought (like a hell of a lot of other NI fans) we'd beat them, but yes say what you like against bale he's different class to us, but as I've said if we'd scored first and got that bit of luck I believe we'd have held on,(I can't imagine what would have happened then) but it wasn't to be, and we had nothing to prove and by god we had a damm good time alright. And good luck to Wales, it's been the year of the underdog alright.

  42. West Cork Frank

    Jun 29, 2016, 15:36 #90543

    So another dig at Ireland, becoming a bit of a tedious habit now Mr Whitcher. Why don't you just come out and say what your real issue with us is and save all the feckin nip nip nip. When exactly were Ireland dull to watch in the Euro's ? First match against Sweden, we hit the woodwork a couple of times before taking the lead, Sweden were lucky to equalise through an own goal. Fair enough we were a bit on the cautious side against Belgium but they're no mugs. As for Italy, player changes or not, they would still have beaten England and Ireland out- battled and outplayed the Italian's, scoring the winner near the end, sweet. We led France for fifty seven minutes and should have been two up. Oh, and at a tournament that threatened to be spoiled by violent, nasty, spiteful fans ( guess who were yet again chief amongst them ) Ireland fans behaved with class, passion, style and grace, something I am sad to say you seem to be lacking in these days. Shame,as i always used to enjoy your articles.

  43. mbg

    Jun 29, 2016, 14:04 #90541

    I'd imagine there'll be a hell of a lot more words on England's embarrassment, and doubt they'll ever die down too, did you see the way they were sneaked of the plane yesterday and spirited away ? Yes TOF has a shoo in for the England job, i'd love to see it i'd just love it, coming out for his first interview smiling like a Cheshire cat with his England tie on (at least we wouldn't have to look at him with that silly red one that he never takes off, it must be stuck to his neck)telling everyone who listens what a great job he's going to do, and then the world would really find out, see and know what Arsenal fans already do.