Euro 2016 Quarter Final Musings

Reflections on the matches over the last four evenings



Euro 2016 Quarter Final Musings

Ramsey gets the yellow that means a semi-final suspension


It might be a television treat splitting the games over four evenings for the Euro quarter finals but it does put the teams that played in the third and fourth games at a disadvantage in terms of recovery. The last World Cup saw four quarter finals played on Friday and Saturday, the semis on Tuesday and Wednesday, with the final on Sunday. France gives us quarter finals from Thursday to Sunday, then semis on Wednesday and Thursday, followed by a final on Sunday.

I’d venture that the team that qualifies from the first semi-final will have an advantage over their opponents, with the latter having only two days between their matches. Still, if it is France, the hosts will have enjoyed the advantage of having their matches previous to this in the tournament nicely spread out, so perhaps things can be seen to even themselves out in the end.

Portugal have progressed to the semi-finals without winning a match in 90 minutes, and of the two matches they have won, Thursday’s against Poland required penalties. It started so well, with two goals in the first half, but then became more cagey than we wanted to see. Poland have disappointed a little in the tournament. Lewandowski looks like he has played too many matches, and it’s no surprise to say similar about a lot of the players who have not performed to their potential. It’s a common theme and no-one can see it changing anytime soon. If the 2022 World Cup does actually go ahead in Qatar in the middle of the season, it will be interesting to see whether players look fresher. Anyway, Portugal, in spite of rarely looking convincing as a team, seem to have mastered the art of survival football. Penalty shoot-outs are ultimately a lottery, so Italy have gone home and Portugal survive. Yet Italy have been by far the better team. Luck of the draw. If Iceland had not scored a late winner against Austria, then Cristiano and his chums would have been in the other half of the draw, playing England in the last 16 and France in the quarter final.

They will instead be meeting Wales in the semi-final. One thing that Wales’ progress has done is remove all and any excuses that England might have clung to for their own lack of progress. In fairness, Belgium were the first top notch team that Wales have faced in the tournament so far (England quite obviously not being one). I thought that although they had a chance, Hazard and company would probably come good. And it was a closer match than the scoreline suggests, but Wales defended better, and took their opportunities when they came. I certainly think they could beat Portugal, although a lot will depend on how they perform without Aaron Ramsey, who has been one of the standout players of the tournament.

Ramsey’s form has been an eye opener for many, who are justified in wondering why he rarely plays with such influence at Arsenal. Obviously the Wales system is different, with a 3-5-2 formation. Ramsey plays as one of the two more advanced central midfielders with a licence to roam. It is actually an echo of the system Arsenal played under Bruce Rioch, and maintained for the season when Arsene Wenger took over. However, Arsenal have played four at the back since the summer of 1997, although at times, they have often gone with only one true holding midfielder, especially in recent seasons, Ramsey has only really enjoyed one period (at the start of the 2013-14 season) when he consistently matched the form he is now demonstrating for Wales.

I think the certainty of the Welsh system under Chris Coleman has certainly helped Ramsey, and dare I say it, there seems to be greater team spirit amongst the Wales players than there is at Arsenal. So organization and determination. Remember all those Wenger quotes praising the “team speeerreeet” and “mental strength”? Uh? These are two areas in which the squad is patently lacking and nothing is going to change until the comfort bubble culture at the club changes, and that can’t happen until a new manager arrives. Imagine Antonio Conte or Diego Simeone were arriving at the Emirates. We would see a different level of performance.

I digress. I think Wales can actually get to the final even without Ramsey, but ultimately, it will depend on keeping Cristiano Ronaldo quiet. He has had one decent match out of five so far in the finals. Another player who is running on empty. However, Portugal have managed to be fairly tight defensively so far in the knockout rounds. It’s a difficult one to call. Having beaten Belgium though, the Welsh have no reason to fear anyone.

Germany v Italy was an old school classic, a war of attrition from which the victors might suffer. The Germans lose four players for the semi-final, three to injury and Matt Hummels to suspension. They will have to dig deep to compensate. Mesut Ozil played superbly, although the quality of his team-mates might be a factor here. They do not waste opportunities with the same frequency that we see from the Gunners, but then again, Theo Walcott hasn’t got a drop of German blood in him. It just shows what Arsenal could achieve if they were prepared to pay the going rate for quality rather than pile the cash in the bank. Ozil needs talented players to work off. The Italian defence is better than any park the bus merchants that come to the E******s in the Premier League, but Ozil and company were able to breach it. It was only the lunacy of Boateng that meant extra time and a penalty shoot out were required.

As for the pens, what can you say? Germany miss three out of five and still go through. Madness. As for this trying to psyche the keeper out nonsense… I can only assume Zaza did not try that in training. How ironic that Conte put him on just for the shoot-out. As for tactics, interesting to see Joachim Low thought about the opposition and how specifically to counter it by changing his formation. He is an excellent manager and one wonders if he will ever manage at club level or simply remain as the German boss until he calls it a day or is relieved of duty. Six consecutive major tournament semi-finals is some going.

France gave Iceland a hammering, but even in defeat the Icelanders played with spirit and scored twice. In terms of their defensive resilience, I think this was just a game too far for them. In addition, France have improved as the tournament has gone on, and seem to be hitting their optimum at just the right time. Even Olivier Giroud is looking like a top quality forward (although it helps a lot to be playing in a 4-4-2 with Griezmann as his partner) and so far, you have to say that Karim Benzema has not been missed. With no suspensions and no injuries, and with home advantage, the dice seem to be falling for the French. Although in the perceived tougher half of the draw, they have so far faced the Republic of Ireland and Iceland. Now they face a depleted and quite possibly tired German side. It might be a tournament of surprises, but I don’t think too many would now be surprised to see them lift the trophy next Sunday.

So in conclusion, a tournament in which certain of Arsenal’s internationals have been playing very well – Ramsey, Ozil, Giroud and also Koscielny have made the last four. If the Gunners were the equal to the sum of their parts they would have some team. Thoughts after the semi-finals on Friday.


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  1. jeff wright

    Jul 08, 2016, 19:44 #90707

    mbg, the Germans were fortunate toget so far a lucky draw against the Polish and a pen shootout in which they let in 3 goals but still won v the Italians. A poor tournament in my view this one that has done little to disprove the view of many that International football is notwhat it is claimed to be. The Prem starts soon and good old Arsene will struggle this season to win his usual minor place in the top 4 and as for Europe well nuff said!

  2. mbg

    Jul 08, 2016, 17:39 #90706

    jw, yes more proof (if any was needed) tippy tappy is like TOF has been for years, past it, out of date, and yes again who'll remember the Germans for their possession and pretty football come Sunday ? hell who remembers them tonight. wenger out.

  3. Ron

    Jul 08, 2016, 12:03 #90705

    This Ramsey rest stuff will provoke Westlower back to lecture on fatigue wont it? The poor mite needs a rest, of course he does. 5 games of football in 2 months is enough to kill horses clearly.

  4. jeff wright

    Jul 08, 2016, 12:00 #90704

    With fools such as Martyn aka Tom,Dick and Harry,Jim and whatever getting their rocks off on AFC players wearing foreign International shirts it's hardly surprising that Wenger gets away with never winning a league title - or even managing to put in a challenge for one.Good old Arsene. By the way Martyn, what club does that French GK and captain of their side play for>? You couldn't make it up.

  5. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jul 08, 2016, 11:20 #90703

    With the international players needing a break and missing the start of the season plus the lack of new signings and the 3 departed players from last season, just what sort of team are we gonna put out against Liverpool and Leicester? Have we learned nothing from last seasons debacle against West Ham when we were forced to throw on a 10% fit Sanchez? Of course wenger hasn't learned a thing! This is wengers arsenal where mistakes are repeated ad nauseum until they become part of modern arsenals DNA. Groundhog season #10 is nearly upon us except we won't be qualifying for the top 4 trophy this year. This old fool needs putting out to pasture but the rumours are of a new contract offer! ****ing laughable!!!! Zzzzzzzzz

  6. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 08, 2016, 10:31 #90702

    Just as I predicted, Ramsey has declared that he'll not be ready to start the season. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. And who is he to say when he will or won't play? Weng likes to give all players 4 weeks off, the peroxide-headed misplaced flick-meister reveals, meaning that it'll take a further 2 1/2 weeks for him to get match fit, thus allowing him to grace the wok only 2 or 3 weeks into the season. Expects others to follow suit meaning that asano fc will only have 50% of their first team ready. GG would have either told Rambo to shut up and do what he is told, or would have sold him on. What an omnishambles.

  7. Martyn

    Jul 08, 2016, 7:52 #90701

    After the debacle of England Hotspur, it was great to see last night's game where I thought Ozil and Kos were outstanding. As for Giroud, he put in a real shift too and played his part in France's second goal. Let's hope our players and the rest of the French team wipe that smug smile off Ronaldo on Sunday.

  8. jeff wright

    Jul 07, 2016, 23:28 #90700

    Both the French and Deutschlanders suffered from not having a top striker the Frech managed the better though despite being handicapped with big tattooed selfie taking Olly . Once again the Wenger myth of possession wins games was exposed for the nonsense that it always was .Goals win games and not playing pass the parcel yawn inducing passing football with nothing at the end of it all . Without goals all the German possession amounted to nothing. lee k fc will be wearing a French shirt down the Labour Club on Sunday - will it have big slow Olly's name on it or Keystone Kos's - he is spoiled for choice! The 'we know nothing about football'FA are said to be in talks with good old Arsene again about the great one taking over the England team. This just goes to show that they really do not know anything about football. You couldn't make it up.

  9. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 07, 2016, 22:59 #90699

    Ozil will be sitting somewhere with his head in his hands on a bus thinking, "Scheisse, now I've got to go back to London and listen to that insane chihuahua-headed former manager who is trying to dismantle everything I've learnt as a player by playing me out of position alongside various dumkopfs. Donner und Blitzen, why did I ever sign for this excuse of a club? I will get my agent to ring Karl-Heinz Rumminigge in the morgen.

  10. Paulo75

    Jul 07, 2016, 22:56 #90698

    Start of season still 5 weeks away but anyone else got that groundhog day - here we go again with minimal transfer activity feeling? Arsenal don't do ambition these days but lets give the Manager another contract, Maybe i'll be proven wrong ... then again, maybe I wont..

  11. jjetplane

    Jul 07, 2016, 22:09 #90697

    Giroud back to being a carthorse. Should be good when he links up with Sanogo pre-season at the newly named Asano Fc. What now for Ozil - even less xchance of him going back to the errr Japanese Wok ......

  12. mbg

    Jul 07, 2016, 19:14 #90696

    I see man yoo have had a clear out of management and behind the scenes luvvies, all we're reading is breaking news this, top story that, and expect a hell of a lot more of it before the transfer window closes and the season starts with all the top teams, but not with Arsenal's name connected to any of them of course, you can be sure of that, the best we can hope for is on the late news bulletin on bbc2 wenger still negotiating the signing of up and coming pigmy striker from papa new guinea.

  13. mbg

    Jul 07, 2016, 17:20 #90695

    Bard, and that's just it, the bottom line, TOF's not up to it and hasn't been for years (and a lot believe never was)he hasn't the balls to spend on/buy the proper players knowing full well he'd be unable to manage/coach them, and would be found out and would be held responsible and to account. wenger out.

  14. Bard

    Jul 07, 2016, 15:58 #90694

    AKB. Who said it was all about buying. Its about managing your squad. You get rid of those who arent up to it and replace them. I think its called management unless I am mistaken. Granted its not easy but that why he gets paid £8m a year. If you arent up to it you get sacked and bring in someone else.

  15. mbg

    Jul 07, 2016, 14:30 #90693

    Bard, jj, all this not spending money, and not strengthening and when he does not doing it properly despite having the money to do so, with second and third raters and carthorses by TOF over all these years is a sackable offence on it's own and has been for years (never mind the numerous other reasons) and would have been at any other club in Europe from the lowest to the top except of course Arsenal, any other manager at any other club would have been shown the door years ago for this alone, it really really is a serious state of affairs that this bumbling old fool gets, and is getting away with this and has done for nine ten years now. we want wenger out we want wenger out.

  16. jeff wright

    Jul 07, 2016, 12:58 #90692

    Cat If this is all that you have to offer then I suggest that you give up thinking and go back to sleep.

  17. Peter Wain

    Jul 07, 2016, 12:51 #90691

    looks like s truggle to be 4th this year. Why dont you buy someone Wenger

  18. jjetplane

    Jul 07, 2016, 12:43 #90690

    Looking at transfer activity elsewhere (look at Palace!) it has been obvious for a decade that Wenger simply has not aged well. He lacks energy for the game wholesale (the speeerit and mental strenght are words without acts) and we have to question whether he ever was a football type. He may never have won anything of note if not for the buys of Rioch and GG and without those buys he has stopped competing altogether. The Asano signing will make a pretty penny in the east and with Japanese students in the north London area there is another micro market. The buying of extremely ordinary midfielders with no imagination is deliberate and keeps the Asano FC machine ticking over. Thing with Asano FC they are seemingly unaware the days of the shopping mall are coming to an end. Once the roof begins to rust and Wenger is hidden away in an office fighting with a sleeping bag zip it will all be to late. Still - Giroud (with greying highlights) will be regaling de yoot of how he upstaged Pogba and Payet. French fans still think he is **** ......

  19. Cheshire Cat

    Jul 07, 2016, 11:43 #90689

    Man? I thought him and Jeff Wright were both little schoolboys, reading their exchanges on here...

  20. jeff wright

    Jul 07, 2016, 11:04 #90688

    thanks lee k fc for recalling that I once thought that Germany would not win the World Cup abeit for the ( yawn) 1000th time ... however have you learned what colour shirts West Brom play in yet is the question ...also leekey how about telling us who YOU predict will win the league next season>? Cluck..cluck...cluck...

  21. Bard

    Jul 07, 2016, 9:35 #90687

    CT Im with you on this one. The competition next season will be much greater and Wengs record when there is more than one contender is poor. We have serious weaknesses in the squad and are carrying a lot of dead wood. Maybe there will be a shake before the season starts but history tells us thats unlikely. I doubt there will be a top striker as Giroud has given Weng an excuse not to buy. I suspect we might get another Elneny type, cheap and relatively unknown but that will be it.

  22. Lee afc

    Jul 06, 2016, 23:12 #90686

    mmmmmm. This comes from the person who stated that Germany can NOT win the world cup. Keep it simple Jeff. You ain't a gooner.

  23. CT Gooner

    Jul 06, 2016, 16:56 #90684

    I've been trying to avoid the rumours on transfers, as we all know Arsenals names been next to almost every available player, and those not so available too. Sky Sports has to be the worst!! I thought the Japanese striker was a joke, but then I read the detailed and realized it's another Sanogo, so crap, that one might be true! Bards right, we won't go toe-to-toe with Chelsea, or Utd or City, I'm not convinced we'll better West Ham or Palace. If our Board and management don't like the financial beast the EPL has become, and the inflation of costs associated with competing in it, then get out the kitchen and leave the job to some one who can do it. Most of us realize nothing at the club will change, including not strengthening right, and having a massive bank balance. Maybe we'll win the EPL Bank Balance award!!

  24. mbg

    Jul 06, 2016, 15:23 #90683

    Going by the Telegraph OGL knows the striker he wants this summer, no shyte Sherlock we all know that (and have done for 11 summers)but wanting and going and getting are two different things especially for TOF, and we all know your definition of top top qualittee and ours.

  25. mbg

    Jul 06, 2016, 14:37 #90682

    Bard, you certainly have to laugh don't you, as I said yesterday if there was a trophy for our spin department we'd win it everytime, but you know the funniest part of all ? there's those who actually believe it. It's not right laughing.

  26. Peter Wain

    Jul 06, 2016, 14:36 #90681

    another day and still no world class signings. Same as last year. Sack OGL Gazidis now and Kroenke if you do not want to invest in the first team squad go now. No chance of top four with no creative midfielder decent centre half oh and not forgetting the top top striker

  27. mbg

    Jul 06, 2016, 14:24 #90680

    ArseneKnewBest, i'm sure the wengerites have a lovely song about him, and a nice nick name for him already. You have to laugh.

  28. Made Up Stat

    Jul 06, 2016, 13:35 #90679

    So Messi has to serve ‘21 months probation’ for a €4m fraud. Makes you wonder if in Spain they give you a standing ovation for nicking a £500 motor.

  29. jeff wright

    Jul 06, 2016, 12:19 #90676

    Leekey ,or lee k fc , proves yet again that if anyone can score an own goal it is him. He never did tell us who he tipped for the title last season but he did reveal that Plodding Per was his idea of who should captain AFC ! You couldn't make it up. Lee k fc will be wearing a German shirt down the pub with Ozil's name on the back giving it large if Deutschland win the Cup . Cluck cluck cluck...

  30. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 06, 2016, 11:12 #90674

    Made up stat- Cheers, yes that's the way I read it mate. Just thought I needed to give some context to the QEII thing cos in retrospect it looked a bit strange even to me. I hope it hasn't ruined anyone's reminiscences about cruise holidays. Reassuring to know too that I'm not the only one facing the editor's opprobrium. All the best.

  31. Bard

    Jul 06, 2016, 9:56 #90673

    I am fully aware that the transfer rumour mill is flawed but I had to laugh at yesterdays Evening News suggesting that the Weng is going head to head with Chelsea over Morata. The thought of Arsenal going head to head with anyone in the transfer, let alone Chelsea is absurd.

  32. Made Up Stat

    Jul 06, 2016, 8:49 #90672

    Arseneknewbest:I was actually sympathetic to your view, as I've had many posts deleted and I'm not entirely sure why! I was using your metaphor as I thought it v funny. Keep being subversive...

  33. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 06, 2016, 8:07 #90671

    Made up stat - Fair enough. I once knew a bloke from Leeds who described a former, ahem, potential life partner as having, "nipples like QEII starter buttons". My clumsy metaphor was a bastardisation (I wonder why that word makes me think of Jamee Son?) of what he said. If you want your blood to boil or just gently simmer, read that piece in the Guardian. I'm just excited about Asano, Asano, Asano - it'll pass.

  34. Made Up Stat

    Jul 06, 2016, 7:41 #90670

    And yes...yes! Here comes the behemoth delete button sailing into port now. Look at her - isn't she beautiful? All shiny and resplendent from her-----------(post deleted).

  35. mbg

    Jul 06, 2016, 0:57 #90669

    Leekey, (sounds embarrassing) why do you think we haven't ? do you think we've got a chance then ? obviously the history of your messiah isn't your best subject or you've just found arsene FC.

  36. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 05, 2016, 23:09 #90668

    I see that weng has been poking his chihuahua shaped head above the parapet in the centre-right Guardian today, crapping on about the referendum (website admin: if the anorakked marvel is talking about it, then we should too yeah? So hold onto that big QEII sized delete button for a few cotton pickin' moments please). Guess which side he's on? As someone who has made a fortune out of globalisation, worshipping at the altar of big capital and who leads a private jet/money no object existence, yes you guessed it. Call yourself a socialist M Wenger? Anyway, the former football manager offers up his thoughts about the political and economic ramifications, all of which can be summarised as, "Following Brexit, I'm worried that my income may fall from 15 to 14 million Euros per year". My heart bleeds creme anglaise. No sign of course that he's thinking equally deeply about who'll replace the weak links in our team. That's too difficult for our patrician former manager.

  37. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 05, 2016, 22:51 #90667

    Leekey - who do you predict to win the title?

  38. CT Gooner

    Jul 05, 2016, 21:46 #90665

    @Leekey: I wish I could have faith that my Gooners (not just your's I'm afraid) will achieve this year, but I'm not an idiot. We didn't win last year, our squad is not any better yet (recall that was the point we were discussing), beyond losing our three old cheerleaders, and our competition have made positive managerial changes. So pray tell how you can believe in better days ahead?? How many first team games do you think this new Japanese striker will play, I'd imagine the over/under would be 5....

  39. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 05, 2016, 21:20 #90664

    Sir Leek of Kentucky - C'mon then mate. Here's a two-part simple question - where do you think Arsenal will finish in the league this season? And if your answer isn't first, will you be happy with that? Sh*t up or shut up time.

  40. jjetplane

    Jul 05, 2016, 21:10 #90663

    Losing the league before a ball is kicked has been ongoing for a decade and more - your point being ...... I think you will find this season was over before the start of the last one when your aging master just could not resist another non-competing payday .... Same old Arsene/taking the cash ...

  41. Leekey

    Jul 05, 2016, 20:43 #90662

    According to CT gooner, mug, sorry mbg, Jeff, mark, arseknewbest, jj et all. We have lost the league without a ball being kicked this coming season. Ha ha ha ha. Pure quality from the online goon clan.

  42. mbg

    Jul 05, 2016, 18:27 #90661

    CT Gooner, nail on head, sad or what.

  43. CT Gooner

    Jul 05, 2016, 17:55 #90660

    mbg, that's what I'm afraid of, and when you include the new manager bump that generally happens, tough to see us truely competing with Chelsea, City and Utd. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced our fanbase really want that, I think some actually like keeping Wenger and finishing just behind the leaders....

  44. mbg

    Jul 05, 2016, 17:43 #90659

    CT Gooner, they'll certainly do more than us mate, and the fact they've reinforced with winners as managers is quite enough reinforcing.

  45. Smithy

    Jul 05, 2016, 16:48 #90657

    We will continue to dither and delay around our striking targets . We will miss them all "as there is no value" in the market". Same story every season. Only good news of the day Adelaide promoted to first team squad.

  46. CT Gooner

    Jul 05, 2016, 15:44 #90656

    The question is are we now done reinforcing? Arguably a decent midfielder, though not sure we need Ganit, Coq and ElNeny, seems like alot of competition for one place. And yet we still don't have legitimate wide midfielders or a top notch stiker. Thankfully we haven't seen much business by our competition to date, but I'm worried we're leaving ourselves short of quality players, but hey we've loads of money in the bank.

  47. mbg

    Jul 05, 2016, 14:24 #90655

    And Mourinho is wasting no time in keeping OGL just there (in his pocket)in having a few digs at him already over on Sky, and all true of course.

  48. jjetplane

    Jul 05, 2016, 13:59 #90654

    They are loving Asano/Arsene/Arsenal over on Untold where they are also doing Japanese for Dummies online with Walter taking the lead. Apparently he has actually kicked a ball once or twice but it is the shirt size that matters so that 'big cloth make many shirts Mista Wenga asshole ...' Latest report is that Giroud is off to PSG now it is confirmed he is the best striker Asano FC have ever had. They are renaming Arsene FC Asano over in the far east which should make the shirts even more popular. Say what you like about Wenger and his far east connections - he never misses a trick. Just wondering whether Benzema has got anything on Olly - hotels and all that.

  49. mbg

    Jul 05, 2016, 13:30 #90653

    Mark from Aylesbury, that's another one for the wengerites to hate then, for disrespecting their messiah, goodness knows what it's going to be like when Pep makes him look an idiot on the pitch and has him in his pocket like Mourhino has.

  50. Peter Wain

    Jul 05, 2016, 13:26 #90651

    another day and no new world class signing. Well done OGL still saving costs.

  51. mbg

    Jul 05, 2016, 13:11 #90650

    Odds, we can say what we like about TOF and his long out dated ways and philosophies, (and we've good reason to)but we can't fault is spin machine.

  52. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 05, 2016, 12:28 #90649

    Good summary as usual Kev, Giroud and Ramsey playing well within a different system to their club football suggest more square pegs etc. I think Giroud and Ramsey are benefitting from their respective managers, who seem to pay much more attention to detail and appear to want to win something, which in itself sharpens all players in a squad.

  53. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 05, 2016, 11:24 #90648

    Just heard about Pep G's comments naming the top managers in the UK, Maureen (✅) Koeman (✅) Klopp (✅) err Pep were you going to mention anyone else? No, no one else you can think of? Hilarious, looks like we will have Maureen, Ronald, and Pep all taking the piss out of Grandma Wenger

  54. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 04, 2016, 19:24 #90644

    I used to get moist about new signings, but since the Kallstrom katastrophe I can no longer get up for them (talk about hermaphroditic mixed metaphors). However, I've already ordered my Asano-engraved hara-kiri sword and cut-glass sake tankard to celebrate the new fella's arrival. Must remember to use them in the right order as our season takes a nose-dive into Pearl harbour - Banzai! I wonder if Junichi and Rio have told him what life is like modelling nylon football jerseys for a living. And what will he make of the reunification of our two smoking hot beagles ches and jack who will be setting the dressing room alight this season? Yes, we have a third "new" signing because it looks like our vastly overrated former gk is also coming home from his Roman holiday. The fourth signing is the tattoed, dense little muppet himself if you reckon Jack will stay fit beyond the makita toenail grinder trophy in July. Ches'll be dubbining Cech's and Ospina's boots between 30 minute bong breaks, all for 80k a week. It's all set up nicely.

  55. mbg

    Jul 04, 2016, 19:06 #90643

    ArseneKnewBest, and we all know what the excuse/excuses will be then, and where the blame will lie for his failures, the Euros, if only we had these players available bla bla, but everything will be alright when they return bla bla yawn, the perfect excuses for TOF's apologists for his incompetence, unbelievable, here we go again, different season but same old same old.

  56. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 04, 2016, 17:29 #90640

    Kev - Good form by some of the team is no guarantor of good form to begin the season if previous years are anything to go by. As when Germany won the last WC, weng rested Ozil, Podolski and the BFG for a few games. Expect not to see those players you mention in your last para 'til sometime in Sept (by which stage the die might have been well and truly cast on AFC's already shaky title prospects). Shame that westie no longer graces us with his tic tac tactics on here - he could tell us that we're probably going to be 6th or 7th favourites for the league this year.

  57. BW

    Jul 04, 2016, 15:43 #90639

    Nice summary Kevin. I got Germany in the sweepstake at work with 166 quid for the winner - surely a given - but I agree France are looking better with every game.

  58. Bard

    Jul 04, 2016, 14:45 #90638

    Good post Kev. The fact that some of our players look very good in the Euro does raise some interesting questions about their mostly poor form in the Prem. In Ramsey's case he seems to be playing in his proper position but as its moreorless the same as Ozils one suspects he will be shunted sideways or backwards when he returns. Our recent Japanese signing is a complete irrelevance in terms of the bigger picture. One wonders at 20 whether he can legitimately be called one for the future or cynically is he a cheap shirt seller. Answers on a postcard.

  59. mbg

    Jul 04, 2016, 13:58 #90637

    It's obvious why these players play better when they get out from under the clutches of wenger (well apart from the English contingent) a proper young manager who knows what he's doing and can get the best out of them, instead of two old past it bungling fools.

  60. mbg

    Jul 04, 2016, 13:46 #90636

    Gez Kevin I thought you were going to say Portugal have progressed to the semi finals without winning a match, you'd have opened another can of worms there, you know what these wenger apologists and their stats are like.

  61. jeff wright

    Jul 04, 2016, 12:39 #90635

    Good points Mark ,Woy beat Coleman because he was familiar with the Welsh game plan three of their players were born in England and in the main all are products of English academies or coaching .Welsh clubs play in the English league anyway.The Portugeezers should be too good for Wales but no doubt the Welsh and English players will give it a good go.A stranger brew of Galictico,Prem and Championship players the Welsh side .I can't recall Chris Coleman doing anything outstanding though when he was a club manager him and Woy were just average really in domestic football.Our Ozil once again looks better in the big German side with better players in it than he plays with in Wenger's tippy tappy ones .

  62. Ron

    Jul 04, 2016, 12:37 #90634

    Mark - True. Terry Neill, nice man though he is was certainly in the latter category wasnt he. He had some top quality players yet we didnt get close to a title under him so its not as if we re not used to it. Difference was then was that supporting the Club was still a pleasure and AFC hadnt aborted its identity. Different times alas!

  63. Mark

    Jul 04, 2016, 12:17 #90633

    you only become a equal to the sum of your parts as a Team if the Manager gets it right. sometimes the Manager can make you Punch way about your individual Team member ability (Leicester/spurs/West Ham/Wales/Italy). and sometimes the Manager can ensure you pucnh well below the weight of your individual abiliites (England / Arsenal)

  64. Ron

    Jul 04, 2016, 11:25 #90631

    Good stuff Kev - I am hoping the Germans inflict a sound helping of reality on France now. Im not overly convinced theyre much good. As you say, Iceland looked very leggy didnt they. They've been great for this tournament. I think Wales s romantic dalliance with proceedings is about to hit the buffers too.