Quandary: How to get the best out of Ozil and Ramsey?

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Quandary: How to get the best out of Ozil and Ramsey?


The forthcoming Premier League season is already shaping up to be a fascinating one, principally because of the character managerial names that will be facing one another at the bigger clubs, and those who we are already familiar with whose reputations have been enhanced by their debut seasons in 2015-16. The Online Soccer Betting has Manchester City under Pep Guardiola as favourites, with Jose Mourinho’s Manchester United second favourites, and presumably based on last season, Arsenal marginally shorter odds than Antonio Conte’s Chelsea. Add in the fact that Spurs should, in theory, be even stronger, Jurgen Klopp will have had an opportunity to impart his ideas in a pre-season and buy in players he wants, Everton are enjoying new found wealth and trying to spend it under Ronald Koeman, Slaven Bilic taking West Ham to a new stadium and there is a lot to capture the imagination. For what it’s worth, my view is that Chelsea are pretty generous odds for the title, given they have no European distraction and a manager who I suspect will have similar impact to Mourinho’s debut season in the Premier League. Most of his players won the league only 14 months ago before effectively going on strike to get shot of the manager.

So what of Arsenal? The Euros have given us food for thought with the form displayed by Ozil, Giroud, Koscielny and Ramsey, whilst Alexis Sanchez’ Chile retained the Copa America. Conclusion: Wenger has some pretty decent players to work with, but he isn’t getting the best out of them.

France played a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 depending on how you want to look at the roles of Griezmann and Payet. And yet, how often did Griezmann go central and play off Giroud? He was certainly a lot more advanced than Payet a lot of the time, and sometimes, it felt more like we were watching a 4-4-2 line-up.

Let’s for the moment, imagine that the stories of a Higuain – Giroud swap deal have no substance and picture Arsenal having to try and make do with the players they have. It’s not something anyone really wants to contemplate, but assuming Atletico are not going to sell Griezmann any time soon, solutions may be possible in-house at London Colney.

Is Alexis Sanchez such a different player from Griezmann really? He’s played up front for Chile with a strike partner, and could fulfil the role of the pacey more mobile front man playing off Giroud.

How then, to accommodate Ramsey and Ozil? Both want to play a central attacking role. Ramsey had less defensive responsibility in the Welsh side and played to support Bale and either of Sam Vokes or Hal Robson-Kanu. He was effectively playing the position Ozil occupies at Arsenal. It’s a tricky one. In a 4-4-2 it could work if, let's say Granit Xhaka and Coquelin were both played to allow the full backs to advance and provide the side with width. That would allow both Ozil and Ramsey (nominally one on each flank) to float around the midfield and cause havoc, although it does place a huge amount of reliance on the full backs, and Xhaka and Coquelin would have to work hard to cover them. An alternative solution might be to play three at the back with wing backs, and not start Coquelin. This would place a huge onus on Xhaka to play a Gilberto-style role, but at least one of the back three would be able to cover a break on the flank. Ramsey can be tigerish, but his positional discipline might need some improvement to stop his side getting over-run in midfield with such a system. Additionally, a centre back (or two) needs to be purchased, depending on whether or not Mertesacker would be able to hold down a place in a system that can ask a lot of the central defenders in terms of covering the a larger area of the pitch.

It’s a quandary for the manager. How to get the best out of his attacking players. He has changed the formation of his side before. Getting rid of three at the back in 1997, and then playing Cesc Fabregas as an advanced midfielder behind a front two in 2009 - a formation designed to get the best out of the Spaniard - and these days, a lone frontman supported by two wide attackers.

As it stands, I suspect his preferred starting eleven would be: Cech – Bellerin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Monreal – Cazorla, Xhaka – Ramsey, Ozil, Sanchez – Giroud. In reality, I believe he would choose to improve on Gabriel and Giroud if he could strike the right deal in the transfer window, and we can’t yet say whether Cazorla can be as influential back in the position where he established a good partnership with Francis Coquelin. There is an argument to play Coquelin and Xhaka and drop Cazorla, especially if he does not invest in a more dominating centre back than Gabriel (let's forget the fading force that is Mertesacker, who is likely to become next season’s Arteta figure in the dressing room).

Arsene Wenger has three quarters of a very decent team, but it needs strengthening and he needs to come to a solution of how to get the best out the players he has. If he can respond on both these counts, Arsenal have a chance of actually being in next season’s title race. We watch and wait.


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  1. Website Admin (Mike)

    Jul 21, 2016, 8:34 #90928

    Arseneknewbest – Not sure which post you were referring to I’m afraid. I know I’ve removed a few over the last week which I felt were straying too far into political discussion and which are therefore a bit too far off topic in my view for a football website, although I’m sure you could find others to debate with on the forum which is a bit more open-minded. Apologies if you didn’t agree with the decision, but hope you understand the rationale.

  2. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 0:14 #90927

    Mark from Aylesbury, could it be any worse than it is mate, and exactly the same could/would and will be said by ourselves. wenger out.

  3. jeff wright

    Jul 20, 2016, 23:18 #90926

    Thanks AKB for your unbiased political advice and for the instructions on what I should be posting on here .Right I'm off to join the Labour Party if I pay £25 I can then vote for who should lead it. A bit tough on those who can't afford £25 though are these socialists not supposed to be against filthy luca influencing matters>? Syrupy Stan would be proud of a policy to make some quick bucks like this he should introduce it at the next AGM so supporters can vote on if they want Wenger to get another contract. Stan would make a mint.

  4. Red White

    Jul 20, 2016, 22:11 #90925

    Arseknewbest.... Nothing like kissing the arse that feeds ehhhh. And you have to feel the need to express your discontent concerning another website which blows this one away.

  5. Dial square

    Jul 20, 2016, 22:00 #90924

    So some on here think there is a 10yr waiting list for season tickets, this may have been the case when we left Highbury though probably a bit exaggerated but most definitely is not the case now. There are many that renew just because its in the blood after all this is our club you can not just shop somewhere else for your fix, some of us can remember when we almost went down, transfer window was used to good effect that year I seem to remember Tof please take note, but to say there is a big waiting list is just BS. Getting people to pay top top prices for the mediocre fare on offer these last 10 yrs with no real improvement on players or trophies won really is a great effort for the clubs spin team I guaranty this would not have happened in any other part of the country. We need transfer action now as there is not much point in having millions in the bank come October and be looking at a mid table finish because with all the other clubs in last years top half of the table having and spending plenty of cash we could get swept aside. But I have a worrying feeling we already have this years marquee player. Do hope I am wrong. Get him out before its way to late

  6. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 20, 2016, 21:36 #90923

    Website Admin - Thanks for your unbiased and wholly impartial decision to remove my latest post. I greatly welcome your patrician and wholly necessary censorship and I congratulate you for moving in the same editorial direction as unsold anusol. Further I really, really, really want to thank you for your fair and balanced approach on here. It's all really, really,really brilliant at the end of the day (and at the start of it). Your approach to editing and controlling the narrative on here is possibly akin to weng's approach to asano fc news management but I'm only guessing there. Finally I hope you'll excuse the prolix - I've been sipping champagne with jeff w and corbo all afternoon at the wok...

  7. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 20, 2016, 20:54 #90922

    Jeff - Remember wengo the chihuahua and merkin-man are the enemies here right? Not some b.s. daily heil fantasy smear about jeremy corbyn sipping champagne. You sound as if you're scared of him. He's a decent, honest man and an Arsenal fan to boot. You should give him a listen (but I know you won't). By contrast, your etonian mate David Cameron couldn't make up his mind if he was an Iron or a Villain, and your other mate Nigel Farage was too busy worshipping the third reich to have time for football. See you at the barricades mate - you'll be the one with a hat made of tin foil I guess.

  8. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 20, 2016, 19:51 #90921

    Aye -up its Big Sam.... He's the New England Manager

  9. mbg

    Jul 20, 2016, 18:59 #90920

    Bard, I heard he was 7'9" then someone else said he was 7'11" someone else disagreed and reckoned he was 8ft we'll have to wait and see, but one thing I would bet on is he can't head a fooking ball.

  10. mbg

    Jul 20, 2016, 18:32 #90919

    Dial square, Ron, your spot on, we can say what we like about TOF and the two slap heads (and we do) but one thing we can't hold against them is their spin machine, jesus it's good, but yes a lot of it has to be put down to the amount of gullible AKB wengerite luvvies who know no better and hang on every word and believe it, more fool them, they deserve it season after season.

  11. Red White

    Jul 20, 2016, 17:10 #90918

    Rob Holding. Very much a future Arsenal and England captain. Excellent signing Mr Wenger and the scouting team.

  12. jeff wright

    Jul 20, 2016, 12:57 #90917

    The season ticket thingy is just another red herring and means little or nothing in the greater scheme of things regarding Wengo's management or Syrupy Stans ambition. There are any number of reasons why people buy season tickets and not all are as happy as Larry with things at AFC . Just as their various reasons are why folk go to Glastonbury to wallow in mud to watch live music acts that most would get a better view of watching them on TV at home . The need to 'be there' and feel a part of some event is appealing to the psyche of many of whom some are obviously masochistic and enjoy being punished in someway .Those who do not simply stay away when annoyed and their big comfy empty red chairs can be seen at Stan's stadia of corporate greed where Jeremy Corbo sips Champagne that at least doesn't taste like Coca Cola while muttering what is happening ? Everything comes at price though and we individually choose whether or not to pay that price . On another note slower and as boring as a Corbo speech on the evils of capitalism Merto is already talking up Wengo's only signing Xhako. Although admitting he doe-sent know much about him but he must be great if Wengo has signed him and the great thing is says Merto that Xhako speaks German. Deutschland uber alles ! You couldn't make it up...

  13. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 20, 2016, 9:28 #90916

    "The defender's holding, the manager's wenger"...not quite as good as the old cricket line about messrs holding and willey but it'll have to do in these uninspiring times. Ooo-er the things people do to get transfers these days, even to unambitious, badly-run clubs like asano fc. Here's hoping for the bloke's career but the chihuahua is as good at spotting quality defenders as graham perry is at writing honest and readable copy on here.

  14. Peter Wain

    Jul 20, 2016, 8:20 #90915

    another day and still no top top quality player bought. Seems like last year. Wenger out now.

  15. Bard

    Jul 20, 2016, 8:06 #90914

    Quite frankly its astounding that we have spent £2.5m for Rob Holding, who is 7'10" I understand from Untold. Why are we wasting money on such a young player when that money could be put to better use adding an extension to Stans kitchen on his ranch. Thats the trouble with the club at present, all fur coat and no knickers. Its a retail outlet masquerading as a football club.

  16. Danny

    Jul 20, 2016, 0:09 #90913

    How to get best out of these two clowns. SELL THEM!

  17. Ron

    Jul 19, 2016, 21:55 #90912

    Dial Sq - well, if you know that and most on this site know and understand it too, how can the regular 53/54 thou who go there and suck it up like lemmings every Season be explained? This is the mystery isnt it. The first 3 to 4 yrs after the shift to the dead bowl could easily be explained away by cash limits and hope being imbued in the fans psyche back then. The 6-7 years though are far harder to explain. Lets hand it to AFC though shall we, as theyve done a first class spin job on the regulars there. Thats a partial explanation. Its why SK is successful of course.

  18. Dial square

    Jul 19, 2016, 21:45 #90911

    So looks like season ticket uptake is a bit slow as the smoke and mirrors show about every striker that's scored a few goals is well and truly on us. No question we need a world class centre forward but some being touted are just not Arsenal class. It now also seems we are interested in 4 or 5 average defenders none of which is actually what we need. We need someone with experience speed and above all leadership. Don't see Tof buying that one any time soon. Arsenal PLC will go small, cheap with players for the future they can flog on for a profit further down the road or sell shirts in far off lands. If we are in for all these players we must have a big transfer team doing all the haggling oh wait its just captain clueless so most if not all are just as I said smoke and mirrors to get season tickets shifted....Money being the only object of the exercise at stan's UK cash cow,

  19. David

    Jul 19, 2016, 17:37 #90910

    "I suspect his preferred starting eleven would be: Cech – Bellerin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Monreal – Cazorla, Xhaka – Ramsey, Ozil, Sanchez – Giroud." When will Ozil, Ramsey, Alexis, Giroud and Koscielny (if he stays) actually play? I suspect the first three league games will be out and then they will be off to play internationals. I fear a bad start to the season.

  20. jjetplane

    Jul 19, 2016, 14:45 #90909

    They are trying to work out on Untold how tall Rob Holding is. One says he is 6 ' 8 high (game of thrones) but others have said he is 6ft. Cannot knock their research but for a site that prides themselves on writing about Arsenal they do have a disturbing amount of articles about Man City, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Totts and now supporting Millwall while slagging City. Even their leader has admitted he is 'a bit silly' though I am most amused by their siege mentality which is an embarrasment and the people who run and contribute in the main are not real Arsenal and their main posters, contributors are from Belgium, Dubai, Thailand or simply people furthering their own careers in the bargain basement for football books. Neurotic is a must for an AKB .... Anyway back to the tallest footballer on earth ....

  21. mbg

    Jul 19, 2016, 13:31 #90908

    wenger waiting to pull the trigger on an £40,000,000 release clause, he he, ho,ho,ho,ho, ha ha ha ha cough choke splutter ha ha ha, even funnier he he he, there's those who believe it and are scouring for info on it, more like pull the trigger for another trigger. You couldn't make it up, but TOF can/does. wenger out now.

  22. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 19, 2016, 11:39 #90907

    I get the commercial side of football being very off putting and UTD if they do buy Pogba is sheer madness. Anyway thinking back in 1975 I remember very serious conversations (as only 6 year olds can have) with mates as to who supported what. My vote stayed with Arsenal but the Leeds lot en-masse went to Liverpool. Definitely going for the cool side at the time. We should remember the sheer amount of Arsenal supporters who suddenly popped up in natural Spud territory. The successful side at the time will always mop up the younger generational support.

  23. John Gage

    Jul 19, 2016, 10:42 #90906

    Takuma Asano and Rob Holding. A real statement of intent by Arsene Wenger.

  24. Ron

    Jul 19, 2016, 10:27 #90905

    Tony - yes. Agree re those daft fees. Pogba? 100 Mill? Really? Hes decent, no world beater in my view plus others of course. I can understand why AFC dont partake in that silly game. Its turned me off football. Its a shadow of the game it once was, especially in this Country where its quite poor stuff really, but at premium prices, hence i dont go anymore as you know save for the odd freebie or cheapo ticket to a game. The match goers can have it for me Tony and the Season tickets.

  25. Bard

    Jul 19, 2016, 10:05 #90904

    Hi Tony, I wholeheartedly agree with you and Ron about the modern game. The problem with the commercialisation is that you now see a lot of new age fans who know nothing about football but support teams because its 'cool' and fashionable to do so. I can sense that when I read comments on other sites. They just parrot what they have read or heard on Sky. Whatever the merits or not of this site there are a lot of posters on here who have seen a hell of a lot of football down the years and are not swayed by fads and PR. I know a good footballer when I see one and I know a good team when I see one. The current bunch are mediocre at best. The fact that so many fans think that's good enough is sad from my point of view.

  26. Tony Evans

    Jul 19, 2016, 8:37 #90903

    Hi Ron - you are so right. Football has sold its soul to corporate greed; us fans are in the main an irrelevant nuisance to be barely tolerated (certainly at Arsenal) and when I read about possible transfer fees in excess of £100M (for a player that although good is no game changer) it makes me despair for the game I used to live for. We were the lucky ones back in the day and I cherish those Highbury memories. Hi Bard - reckon you are right with Wenger's transfer 'kidology' - never going to work in a million years in today's ridiculous upwardly spiralling transfer world and, as you say, irrelevant anyway as Arsenal have no real football ambition - money is all they care about.

  27. Made up Stat

    Jul 19, 2016, 7:48 #90902

    'What's your latest offering, Ern?' 'Well, Eric, this rap what I wrote is brilliant and absolutely hilarious..'' They're laughing already, Ern - you're a genius!'

  28. Jamie

    Jul 18, 2016, 22:59 #90901

    Quandary: How to get the best out of Ozil and Ramsey? Solution: Change the manager.

  29. Leek fc

    Jul 18, 2016, 22:18 #90900

    Hey Jeffo wrighto. Hate to say I told ya so, who's the gooner captain this year????. Mid table mediocrity?? mmmm

  30. mbg

    Jul 18, 2016, 18:18 #90899

    Bard, yes like haemorrhoids.

  31. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 18, 2016, 18:00 #90898

    Jambie and Leekey - do you remember grandmas 1000th game in charge? Expectations were high. Let's beat nasty Maureen we all shouted. Then the reality Chelsea 6 Arsenal 0. Yet another record for hideous defeats under Grandma. Thank God he'll be going end 2017.

  32. Bard

    Jul 18, 2016, 17:59 #90897

    Tony its all smoke and mirrors and to my mind part of Arsenals silly pr offensive which is to try to convince other clubs that we dont need any players and are happy with the squad. Its puerile and stupid really because it backfires most of the time. We usually wait till the last minute in the hope that we can buy for less than the market value. Anyway its quite irrelevant as we havent got a cat in hells of winning anything.

  33. Mark

    Jul 18, 2016, 17:55 #90896

    sell Theo for Starters as his laziness / softness / total lack of competitive Spirit surely brings with the worst out in ozil + sanchez.......

  34. Hiccup

    Jul 18, 2016, 17:26 #90895

    Guys, you're all looking in the wrong area. New players aren't a requisite. The current squad in reality amassed 100 plus points last season (evidence and proof available if required). Why would you want to change such a winning formula? All we can do is hope for the same again, and hope we get the rub of the green from the refs this time around.

  35. Ron

    Jul 18, 2016, 16:35 #90894

    Hi Tony. Youre not impressed then with the prospect of a Vermaelen return? Not many Barca legends find their way to N7 Mate!! Hes the litmus paper for the modern day match goer there i reckon. They loved him because he scored 3 or 4 goals at the start of his first spell. The fact that he couldnt turn to deal with balls over the top and generally couldnt defend never entered the fans heads. A goal or two and a cult figure was born! He was so bad that Djourou who came in to replace him (equally as dodgy fitness value as Vermaelan) became a defensive stalwart as well! Its as you say, AFC has become a laughing stock in so many ways BUT the new breed of fan evidently loves it. Footballs not near the game that you and i were raised on, but the modern media and satellite TV companies have kidded the modern fan that its far better. You know the truth though Tony dont you.

  36. mbg

    Jul 18, 2016, 14:58 #90893

    Tony Evans, everyone has stopped taking Arsenal seriously years ago mate, other clubs, managers, fans, players, ourselves, especially ourselves we're a joke club now mate a soft touch, an embarrassment to real proper Arsenal fans, and it's all down to the biggest joke of all, the manager. wenger out.

  37. mbg

    Jul 18, 2016, 14:47 #90892

    smithy, how dare he, another one for the wengerites to turn they're bile on then.

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Jul 18, 2016, 14:36 #90891

    Jamerson, your question has been answered more than once on here but here goes again. 1) I haven't seen anyone predict AFC finish midtable. 2) Wenger's p*sspoor squad building means expectations are accordingly low. Then when he does scrape top 4 or finish 10 points behind Leicester mugs like yourself hail him as a genius for exceeding expectations. I've a question for you: How sad is it that an individual whose every contribution is deleted nevertheless spends much of his time on a website? You're like the ex who won't stop phoning.

  39. mbg

    Jul 18, 2016, 14:36 #90890

    Big Andy, spot on, I've said the same myself, how/why is anybody surprised ? the people who have been saying for years now that nothings going to change as long as TOF remains in charge certainly aren't, the only people surprised are the AKB wengerites who think every season he's going to change, this one is going to be different, only to be brought back down to earth as usual with a sore arse, although even now they realise it themselves but would never admit it of course, they'll just keep on believing, Sad. wenger out now.

  40. Tony Evans

    Jul 18, 2016, 12:46 #90889

    How can any of us take Arsenal seriously anymore when you read a headline like Wenger's only fit striker (and we're talking Giroud here - hardly a world beater) will only be returning to training a week before our first league match. We are nothing more than a joke outfit now and not deserving of our support. Anyone expecting Wenger to do anything about it, and perhaps also get that rock solid centre half we have been crying out for, for years? No, me neither!

  41. jeff wright

    Jul 18, 2016, 10:48 #90888

    With the 3 stooges for CB's any perm of ,Gabbo ,Merto and Koso ,it will be funnier than watching a Chimps tea-party with the ex-Chelsea surplus to requirements well past it ageing Checo doing his King Canute impression between the sticks. Tippy tappy ,tika-taka pass the parcel possession slow build up play is yesterday's news as out of dated as Jemermy Corbyn and co's 'ideals' .Watch him get his silly arse kicked tonight on Trident. One good thing is that protest voters don't need to vote for the raving loony party now days they already have the real one led by Jeremy C. Right I'll get me tin helmet on!

  42. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jul 18, 2016, 10:48 #90887

    Relax guys i hear that our great former captain and centre back extraordinaire Vermalen is on his way back (you couldn't make it up) plus from what I gather the second best footballer in the world Nik Bendtner is without a club and could possibly be tempted back to pick up where he left off last time round, great to see our mighty club is in such good hands isn't it

  43. Ron

    Jul 18, 2016, 10:03 #90886

    Im feeling a trolley dash coming on this August. Its going to be great. C mon guys admit it, you loved it last time and it has been 5 years since we last had one.

  44. smithy

    Jul 18, 2016, 7:57 #90885

    I see even arch Wenger apologist John Cross has said Arsenal have no chance of the title and are likely to drop out of the top four due to Arsene's under investment and dithering.

  45. Leek fc

    Jul 17, 2016, 22:36 #90884

    Hey hiccup. Remind me how the time for change protest which was supposed to see the end of Mr Wenger went. Does that not tell you enough.

  46. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 17, 2016, 21:59 #90883

    My pre-season preparations? Just back from hospital where I've had the cranial vortex of the left hand side of my anus removed. Pretty painful op with no local nor general anaesthetic but the upside is that I'll henceforth be able to ignore Jamee, Leek, Amos and any other swivel eyed wingnuts that come on here and lie about weng's legacy o'shyte and his even less promising future at our formerly great club. I was warned about some potentially disturbing side effects though as a result of the operation - try as I might, I cannot shake off an image of weng sitting naked on the red leatherette manager's seat at the wok inserting himself into punxatawny phil and singing "I got you babe".

  47. Bard

    Jul 17, 2016, 19:45 #90882

    Guys I think we are missing Westlife and Baddie. Jamerson+ all his alternative identities, and Leeky are such a minor distractions that they are not worth commenting on. Colsey has probably decamped to Untold where I suspect the king of the unsullied has probably banned him along with several others. The bottom line is that there is nothing much Arsenal to talk about. We will only spring into life in the last days of the transfer window unless we get beaten by Liverpool where will see a massive bid for someone we previously thought cost too much, remember Ozil after Villa. Either way at this stage 4th looks an overachievement. The elephant in the room is that several of the top players arent signing new contracts, is that money or lack of ambition ?

  48. Big Andy

    Jul 17, 2016, 18:26 #90881

    I don't know why anybody is surprised at the lack of signings by Wenger: last summer we only signed a free-transfer goalie and still finished second. Fourth is all that matters - and we can achieve that without spending anything. The club don't give a damn about the title.

  49. mbg

    Jul 17, 2016, 17:46 #90880

    Exeter, spot on, it's not the club with them (and it's plain to be seen as well)they don't care about the club, they couldn't give a damm about it, it's all about their messiah with them, the two lucky cups we won they were celebrating for their messiah not the club, it made him look good and as long as he looks good, as long as he comes out with praise and his reputation in tact (what's left of it, and it's not much ) as long as he doesn't look bad nothing else matters, as for all the others, it's all about the club and what's best for it, and how it looks and how it does, and where it's going, not the manager, and it's plain to be seen for/to everybody this manager is certainly not what's best for this club. wenger out now.

  50. Roy

    Jul 17, 2016, 17:26 #90879

    It looks as if Olly's Bronze Boot at the Euros will be enough to convince Wengo that we don't need to sign a striker. This leaves Wally, Akpom and Sanogoal, or there's always Eddie Nketiah from the u-21's to call on. And that's it unless I'm missing something. If this situation is allowed to materialise- and don't forget this is a squad that scored as many goals at home as Newcastle last season - then Sanchez and Ozil are wasting their time and may as well leave. Wouldn't be surprised if they've sussed it already. It's not a question of spending outrageous sums, it's about addressing obvious weaknesses at the same time as employing sound tactics. I don't see the point of trying to predict who will finish where as it is too subjective to events as the season goes on. What is entirely predictable is that we will not win the PL or CL under this manager. Last season removed all doubt on that one.

  51. Hiccup

    Jul 17, 2016, 17:01 #90878

    Guys, without the AKB's, where we would we get our laughs from? Take Untold for example. When anyone writes anything contrary to their beliefs, they scream 'where is your evidence?' This coming from the guy that claimed BT Sport smuggled in the anti Wenger banner at Goodison Park? Evidence aplenty there wasn't there? You couldn't make it up. Anyway, isn't it time for a petition of some sorts?

  52. mbg

    Jul 17, 2016, 16:34 #90877

    As every season goes by our club is regressing, it's becoming more and more mediocre it's been like that for the last nine seasons now, every season you can see it getting worse with the same old same old, lies and spin of the pitch, mistakes, embarrassments, humiliations on it and going downhill/downgrading season after season on the player front with the players bought (if any) with the ones we have getting worse instead of improving, it's there for all to see and can't be denied, SAD, and it's all down to the old arrogant past it fraud of a manager we have, (and that is plain to be seen and can't be denied also)although it will by his AKB wengerites who even after all these years still don't want to admit the truth, SAD, yes this season is shaping up to be, and is going to be the worst we've ever seen in the last eleven of regression and embarrassments and all the other things that go with a season in the comedy world of Arsenal FC these days thanks to this old past it clueless manager we have no one else. Go now old man.

  53. Tony Porter

    Jul 17, 2016, 15:08 #90876

    As the vicar said this morning, among all the seismic events at home and abroad recently somethings don't change: Arsenal don't sign a decent striker and M. Wenger still thinks he can win the Premiership.

  54. Exeter Gunner

    Jul 17, 2016, 15:04 #90875

    What Wenger does is manage expectations down via moribund summers like the current one, then the likes of Jamerson celebrate when he meets those dampened expectations. You can see it happening in the season ahead if we scrape 4th: "For Wenger to manage top 4 with that squad and with Pep, Conte, Jose and Klopp in the division shows how great he is" etc etc.

  55. Goonersol

    Jul 17, 2016, 14:54 #90874

    Jamerson : Wenger does not over achieve , he under achieves , he cannot turn Arsenal into winners anymore , just runners-up or 3rd or 4th, no winning mentality , just taking part .... Ultimately all arsenal fans want a winning team, not one which just makes up the numbers , some believe Wenger is the man to make us winners , ten seasons of failure tells some of us otherwise , there lies the discussion .... Least we have comfy seats .

  56. Rob

    Jul 17, 2016, 14:43 #90873

    Nice piece Kevin. It was the case five years ago, that we 'could not compete financially blah blah' so that was the going excuse. Now that's gone and instead we find ourselves struggling to attract what is required because our reputation as also rans is now hard wired into the Clubs internal mindset and how it is perceived from outside. In effect, Wenger invariably manages to do in any given season, what he should have done the previous season. So we'll probably kick off wi a side that would have won e title last year. But that won't do anything for us this time. And no Jamerson we don't play the best football and are denied by cheating refs. We scored the same number of goals at home last season as Newcastle who went down. Spurs clearly played more adventurous football. We used to play the best, style wise, ten years ago seven though we didn't win. But that was a decade ago. We don't now. The only possible salvation in this season is that it might just beWenger's last.

  57. jeff wright

    Jul 17, 2016, 12:44 #90872

    lee k fc I never claimed that we were heading for mid table mediocrity last season as claim with your usual lies. I did say though that we would finish ahead of the spuds and that Leicester would win the league with 2 games to spare after we rather fortuitously beat them at the Emirates... I was proven right ... You however -along with your pal the rather nasty Colesyboy- did make false acusations against me claiming that I was posting on another forum using a different name. No idea what that was any concern of yours for but it was a lie just as your latest one that I predicated we would finish mid-tale last season was. It has been my view though that eventually Wengo and Stano's policies will eventually result in us ending up in mid-table mediocrity instead of top 4 mediocrity. We are already mediocre have you not worked that out yet >? You couldn't make it up.

  58. jjetplane

    Jul 17, 2016, 12:43 #90871

    Asano players stalling on contracts - Ozil, Sanchez, Ramsay, Kosc, Bellerin and Giroud. Those not stalling - Theo, Jack. Players coming back - TV and Sanogo. Whereabouts unknown - Santi. Looks like Wenger is set to strike a blow at the heart of the PL ..... Good old Chippo .... Fact - Higuaine is a high maintenance Oliver Giroud with an emptier bank account. Conclusion - Wenger needs to drop the shopping basket and pay the extra quid for a trolley .....

  59. Goonersol

    Jul 17, 2016, 10:13 #90870

    Leeky - Jamerson etc : your stating same old tat with no substance , look at the football facts only and come back with valid reasons Wenger is a winning manager , the last ten seasons give no evidence he can produce a PL or CL winning team, all he can do is make up the numbers, collapse when the pressure is on and blame everyone bar himself for failure ....

  60. Leek fc

    Jul 17, 2016, 10:01 #90869

    Here we go again. Another knee jerk reaction quoting we are heading for mid table mediocrity. I somehow remember a certain Jeff Wright stating this before last season and he was proved well and truly wrong. PATHETIC. Armchair gooners at best.

  61. Snowbiggee

    Jul 17, 2016, 8:57 #90868

    Kev, without the two improvement signings you mention we have zero chance of being in the title race. Top four would also be a serious stretch. Wenger has to get some momentum going into the start of this season by making positive signings. Without that the whole place will be flat while others are bubbling. The result could be a mid table finish.

  62. CT Gooner

    Jul 17, 2016, 8:53 #90867

    I think the worst part of our current predicament is the civil war that's been created in the fan base. I think the one thing for certain is Wenger is sitting on a huge pile of cash (we got 100 mil in June, and apparently already had a huge stash), we pay the highest prices in the world, yet have a squad that can't perform consistently for one reason or another. I am prepared to lose that fabled CL qualification to come out in a better place. It happened to both Chelsea and MU, let's see who finishes higher in the league this year? I really believe our club is in a far worse place today than it was 10 years ago simply downtown ownership, he's a gready man who believes in mediocrity not championships, just look at his record in the US.

  63. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 17, 2016, 8:11 #90866

    "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"(believed to have first been said George Santayana, a Spanish philosopher) ...what, if anything, has the anorakked chihuahua learned from Arsenano's recent history I wonder? Failure this year will be a place outside of the CL trophy positions as he does nothing to strengthen the team nor engender some genuine competition for places. Meanwhile, Wally will be paid eye-watering amounts of money for nothing while his selling price falls to about the same level as Leeky's IQ. The fuse has been lit on weng's willful destruction of the club. I'd take GG back in a thrice - hell, he could even bring Johnnie Jensen and Pal Lydersen in as his back-room team and we'd still be better off.

  64. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 17, 2016, 7:43 #90865

    Jamerson and Leekey it must be dull and lonely only two of you in the Wenger Circle Jerk. Sadly your overtures to a third member were rejected on the basis he wants him gone. You need Old Man Colesey back to support your festering skank.

  65. anthony walters

    Jul 17, 2016, 7:11 #90864

    jw for most of the reasons you gave i believe arsene wenger should go. i repeat i was answering goonersols questions of reasons to keep arsene.regards to the squad a forward and a first choice centre back are needed it's my opinion only but the centre back is more vital as mertesacker isn't the answer and gabriel is in my opinion our weakest first choice player in any position.average in the air decent pace but poor on the ball,panicky and rash in his decision making i actually would pick cygan or schillachi before him such is my poor opinion of him.

  66. mbg

    Jul 17, 2016, 0:21 #90863

    Goonersol. well said, and still they think their messiah will come good, how many seasons have the WOB's been saying he won't, and never been proven wrong (and wont), you'd think even an old fraud like wenger would get it right some time but no, even by the law of averages you'd think he'd get it right eventually, but no, even when it was there for the taking been handed to him on a plate TOF couldn't manage it, (i've no doubt any other manager in the prem league would have) it just goes to show what an old past it fraud he really is, but still the wengerites and walter mittys wait and wait and wait year after year, god help us if by some miracle he actually does win the prem (I know don't laugh)even after all these years of failure you'll hear from the wengerites and anthony walters of this world we knew he was right,told you so. You couldn't make it up.

  67. Red White

    Jul 16, 2016, 22:00 #90862

    Peter. You want to see us wins things, something we have not done for 10 years as you stated. Check out the Arsenal history and it will prove you may have missed a few things.

  68. anthony walters

    Jul 16, 2016, 21:17 #90861

    mbg i said if wenger didnt win the league in our position last season in our position then he should go and stick by that .nothing in my posts said he shouldnt go .anyone who read my piece who says that is fence sitting is an idiot or so blind with hate they cant see past that.goonersol asked for reasons to keep wenger i gave some.getting rid of wenger is a risk i believe the club should take to push us on to greater things however we could quite easily struggle in mid table mediocrity too.it is very much that a risk.i also fail to see how slagging off everything wenger,the club and the current players do is makes you and jw the real arsenal fan and not me and others like me who support arsenal whoever is in the hot seat.i have had around 20 years managing and coaching youth and local football and anyone who thinks they know it all and is a fool . i certainly don't know it all like you and jw but i ain't bloody clueless either and may be wrong at times it's called being human but unlike you i do have the ability to analyse.

  69. Goonersol

    Jul 16, 2016, 20:30 #90860

    Jamerson : how many seasons have you been predicting we will be champions ?? As for facilities , that's why we support Arsenal is'nt it, as long as we are comfy no need to win matches or silverware ?? Are you serious , your a wind-up merchant with a very poor argument , if your for real along with leeky , it's no wonder Wenger is so up himself he cannot see what he has turned Arsenal into a lily livered outfit not able to cope with the pressure of winning , never mind the seats are comfy and the beer is warm , football club or social club ?? .... Wenger out.

  70. mbg

    Jul 16, 2016, 18:29 #90859

    jw, 96235, good post, yes mr fence sitter (at the time)walters forgot that, but I guess like all the other wengerites thought even they're lord and master couldn't f**k last season up, (and they were all ready to spout we told you so, lol)but others knew better didn't they, low and behold the inevitable happened he did, but regardless according to the AKB luvvies he's still the right man for the job, sad, no matter how they try/tried to disguise it a true wengerite. wenger out now.

  71. mbg

    Jul 16, 2016, 17:33 #90858

    The only surprise for myself (and fair to say a lot of others)is fans are surprised he won't, hasn't bought some real top top qualittee, where have you been living the last eight seasons ? we've been telling you the same for season after season after season now why won't/haven't you believed us ? the proof is there for all to see, this useless past it old fraud of a manager will never change, why do you think he will ? he's to arrogant his ego is to big he is still obsessed with proving everybody wrong and winning it on the cheap even though he's been already beaten to it by the mighty Leicester, what a fraud, go now old man and leave it to someone who has ambition and knows what their doing, wenger out now.

  72. Goonersol

    Jul 16, 2016, 17:20 #90857

    I wonder if leek, Jamerson etc are Spurs supporting agent provocateurs, happy to see Arsenal wallow in mind numbing mediocrity, surely no self respecting Arsenal fan is happy with constant under achievement while singing the praises of Wenger, wether you want Wenger in or out , just focus on football( not profit) and there is no way the last ten years make us proud to support Arsenal. We are a joke to other fans of the top teams and while Wenger is in charge they are all happy. We have a manager who cannot lead . .... Another groundhog season awaits ......

  73. anthony walters

    Jul 16, 2016, 17:09 #90856

    jw i absolutely did not contradict myself i answered goonersol's question reasons to keep wenger even though i believe he should go there are many arguements to keep him .i love our club .he is flawed i agree but he is not an incompetent fool like many say .nobody could keep a side in the top 4 and manage at that level for so longif they were.

  74. Peter Wain

    Jul 16, 2016, 16:04 #90855

    Jamerson How can you say that Giroud Walcott and Granit are very good. Giroud tries but does not have the ability or pace of a top top quality forward. Walcott was awful against Man United away and should be let go. As for Granit if he is so good how come nobody had ever heard of him before we bought him and why were Bayern not interested. As for you Leek I am concerned that with OGL track record on August 14 the leader of our attack will be Akpom some one who has not scored a premier league goal for us and was dropped at Hull. Time after time we are linked to players and transfer window and Wenger fails to follow through buying too few players. In September having an injury crisis and having to play kids. We are being asked to pay top dollar for seats at the Emirates so why is it too much to ask that we have 17 top professionals a decent centre half and decent forwards. I want to see us compete to win things something we have not done for 9 or ten years and the management of Arsenal does not.

  75. Leek fc

    Jul 16, 2016, 15:16 #90854

    Good to see you back Mr Walters. A genuine fan with genuine, honest comments. And Jamerson, the MBG's (mostly boring gooners) keep telling us we are heading into oblivion. Future is bright from where I'm sitting eh Jambo.

  76. jeff wright

    Jul 16, 2016, 13:21 #90853

    AW, I don't need to read it again I understand the gist of your argument but you are contradicting yourself by putting up reasons why you think he is entitled to stay.The reasons you give are not ones that would keep him in his 8m+ comfy zone job at more ambitious clubs with a more ambitious owner and supporters. We should be finishing above the spuds anyway - given our resources against theirs and finishing in the top 4 regularly after all we are one of the top 4 richest clubs in the league. Due to changes in the financial situation that have now kicked in - against what they were over the past decade - managerial skills will play a larger part now and in the future in this . Wengo is not going to be around to worry about that however if he fails to get his top 4 trophy this season . Managerial skills are where Wengo comes up short and why in the tougher environment of Europe he has consistently failed to match finishing in the top 4 there against that of doing so in the domestic league.It's no coincidence,I don't believe in coincidences myself once is chance then it becomes a pattern , 6 FA Cups won by Wengo during his 20 year tenure at AFC but not one Euro one tells the story .It's down to cause and effects this anomaly with better managers and teams in depth in Europe than in domestic comps finding him out season after season with humiliating record busting defeats suffered by old Clueless to rub it in . Lots of dosh though made for Stano so no problem there as far as that low life cretin is concerned. Anyone who is happy just to finish above the spuds every season and with a pointless qualification for Europe in which Wenger has no hope of winning anything in and ignores all the rest needs to get a life because they are obviously easily pleased.I suggest that they watch Ice Skating instead where points are awarded for artistic interpretation it must beat paying to watch Wengo's boring yawn inducing tippy tappy and having to watch him fiddling anxiously with the zip on his sleeping bag when as usual things are going tits up on the field of play .Ho hum another season of farce to come and if Wengo does manage a top 4 spot another 3 more to follow and you think that this is the way it should be! You couldn't make it up

  77. anthony walters

    Jul 16, 2016, 12:41 #90852

    jw can you read my statement i said he should go but there there are arguements against it .read again twisting completely my piece .

  78. jjetplane

    Jul 16, 2016, 12:27 #90851

    TV to come back as major new signing to toughen up the defence ... Bring back Flamini too for when Granite (sic) gets his first red for general petulance and Asano Armadillos are good to go and with all those Os we just have to have Sanogoooooo ..... Good old Stanno ..... Anyone get that thing on Untold where they even stop you disliking most comments? Good to see Linda back lol! Looks like Mr Walters is back on here too .... Oh my ...

  79. jeff wright

    Jul 16, 2016, 11:48 #90850

    AW, last season you were claiming that Wenger would win the league and that if he failed to do so from the very good position that we were placed in at that time then he should ! Now it's back to top a 4 place is enough for Arsene to be allowed to carry on and on and on being a specilist in failure ... yawn... Wenger is not up to winning the league or the European Cup either end of. Also the squad we have is not good enough anyway .Top 4 will be a struggle this season for Wengo with him in his last season of his current contract his limited powers of motivation will be tested if we fail to hit the ground running and apathy among players and discontent from supporters kicks-in. The AGM will be fun again this season with no FA Cup and Charity Shield to display .Old Etonian motor-mouth Chipo will have his work cut out to keep things under control Ivan will be able to point to the profit sheeet though .Good old Arsene

  80. Goonersol

    Jul 16, 2016, 11:29 #90849

    Anthony Walters: your views as well as mine should be welcomed on this site ......pricing ?? Nothing to do with Wenger - Arsenal being second best - all to do with Wenger - poor tactics , no plan to win games from losing positions , not enough cover for injuries every season, blaming everyone and everything for his own failing . Never challenging when the pressure is on , only picking up points when nothing to play for but a CL place . Wenger cannot do anything to change it, how do I know - take a look at the last ten seasons - your entitled to your pro Wenger view , but if we just deal with winning , which is what top clubs aspire too, Wengers Arsenal are no where near , with no chance of it changing any day soon.

  81. anthony walters

    Jul 16, 2016, 10:21 #90848

    goonersol as someone who believes wenger is past his best and should go. i'll answer your questions of why many people believe he should stay .wenger delivers tremendous consistency year after year in the top 4.every year finishing above spurs which never happened 19 years in a row before.he led us through the stadium move maintaining that consistency.he still has an eye for a player elneny and the emergence of iwobi .the squad as the article says is overall a very good one.second in the league last season ,financial stability.i don't comment on here much these days because online gooner is generally a vehicle for extreme anti wenger views without balance.ie leading us into oblivion!!! ,ramsey can't play ,we have only 2 good players .all absurd nonsence.i read untold sometimes as well some good stuff there but just as extreme in it's pro wenger blinkers.on here a constant is the club doesn't care about the real fans and just cares about money yet not one word of praise from anyone that our club are subsidising away fans next season and they should pay less than any other away fans.we do have the highest ticket prices in the country but for category c games some ticket prices very low compared to other london clubs.yes wenger has failed to deliver the biggest prizes in the last 12 years but as frustrating as those years have been with the same old failings there has still been far more good than bad.we have a whole generation of fans who know us as only a top four team that was never the case consistenly before wenger other than the thirties.

  82. Goonersol

    Jul 16, 2016, 8:31 #90847

    Leeky : only consistent thing Wenger has done is screw over the fans , selling them promises he cannot live upto - the game was up years ago but still some believe he can deliver ( nowt so gullible as folk ) get real leeky and the rest of the AKB,s , another boring mess of a season awaits , and nothing will change until Wenger and his mentality leave ---- Wenger and Leeky out ( wind up merchant ) .....while your on leeky, I'm still waiting for valid reasons to keep Wenger , been waiting weeks , any chance of a reply( don't bother with , be careful what you wish for!!!!)

  83. Leek fc

    Jul 16, 2016, 7:54 #90846

    The most consistent club since the premier league began is not leading our club into oblivion. Wenger must stay. Simple really.

  84. Goonersol

    Jul 15, 2016, 23:13 #90845

    Leek fc : get real , Wenger is the problem, we could sign messi, Suarez etc , but we would still not win PL, Wenger just cannot motivate or has any sort of tactics , he is a clueless lame duck leading our club into oblivion, just like your views ..... Don't believe you support arsenal, your just a wind up merchant more suited to untold.... Jog on and take Wenger with you .

  85. Leek fc

    Jul 15, 2016, 22:19 #90844

    The MUG clan are getting all irate that we aren't signing the so called superstar, out of the this world, mega star that is going to save us, yep The Arsenal. Sorry folks, we Do Not Need this player that the Peter Wain Kerr has a raving hard on for. Stick to last years proven strikers and we will be ok. Mostly Boring Gooners have a lot of talk yet very little substance. Wenger must stay.

  86. Dial square

    Jul 15, 2016, 21:26 #90843

    So teams without champions league can get players in but we can't get anyone to buy into 4th place trophy last 16 of camps league and maybe a cup run if lucky. I wonder why? Not to worry there might still be plenty of dross to pick up on the 1st of sept. By which time the "Balance" might be just right with our new striker selling those all important shirts in the new Asian market. If this transfer window is f*cked up which looks increasingly likely he might not see the season out, lets hope so anything is better than this.

  87. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 15, 2016, 21:02 #90842

    I've said it before but will say it again. Imagine weng, merkin stan and ivan the terrible as enemies within, i.e. people actively trying to undermine and destroy an organisation, and there you have their strategy towards Arsenal. It's not that difficult is it? What they want to see rising up out of the mess is a semblance of a sports team that seems to compete as long as it doesn't get in the way of objective number 1, which is making obscene amounts of money for themselves. They have f*cked Arsenal and the future looks about as bright as the UK's international reputation under that twazzer bojo.

  88. Rob

    Jul 15, 2016, 20:00 #90841

    You won't see any change until Wenger leaves the club.

  89. smithy

    Jul 15, 2016, 19:44 #90840

    My ankles shot but I am available for a run out on the first game of the season. I am willing to play upfront. It might come to the situation that one of the fans are asked to play. The Arsenal pre season transfer shambles is here again , like last year, the year before, the year before... Expect a Kalstrom and a Santos on 31.8.16

  90. Bard

    Jul 15, 2016, 18:44 #90839

    Chris Dee, come on Chris dont get us all depressed before the season starts. At least lets have a little fantasy before the grim reality kicks in. Because Weng doesnt like to compete in the transfer market he has to leave it late and then bid for whoever is left so any action will be very late if any. Of course he isnt going to buy a top striker, they cost too much, blimey even Vardy turned us down. How embarrassing is that.

  91. mbg

    Jul 15, 2016, 15:04 #90838

    Or another Alternative, bring back George Graham.

  92. Peter Wain

    Jul 15, 2016, 13:11 #90837

    Higuain now going to Juventus who is surprised about that then? Are there any players who want to play for us? Will we have a full subs bench on August 14.Wenger out now

  93. Peter Wain

    Jul 15, 2016, 12:06 #90836

    Draxler staying another off the list- not that we would have paid the asking price

  94. jjetplane

    Jul 15, 2016, 11:51 #90835

    Frank on the ball there re Olly who knows he is a bit part player yet like his leader is forever content to inflate the piggybank 'for services rendered' .... Theo has been twitting that he has a new pair of boots! The club is rotten and good players are either solidly bemused (Bellerin) or just plain dying to play with good players (Ozil and Sanchez). Asano Fc are now ultra soft and a hammering is on the cards - Beware the likes of Palace and Everton. They are looking for some action.

  95. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 15, 2016, 11:45 #90834

    Good Piece Kev - we need a top striker but I keep having this image of Sturridge in an Arsenal shirt celebrating with that stupid dance that he does after diverting a Walcott mi**** into the opponents net. Why do we never buy what we really need?

  96. CT Gooner

    Jul 15, 2016, 9:37 #90833

    Good article. My thoughts are what would our best 11 do against a team that inevitably parks the bus? Yes formation will help, but where will the injection of pace come from, where will the width come from? If our full backs are providing width, will the outside MFs have the positional discipline to protect us from the counter? I know, these are questions rather than solutions, but most of us recognize Wexit is the first step. I believe we need to play much faster and press collectively, the part of the Barca game Wenger likes to ignore. The Euros showed well organized teams who work hard win, I for one would be content with the players we have, if they tried to play with speed and purpose....Dream on,huh???

  97. chris dee

    Jul 15, 2016, 8:54 #90832

    It's not about formations or which players plays where or who should be in the team,it might be the basis of an out of season article but it's irrelevant. It's about a manager being able to motivate a group of players to perform to their maximum in all games. It's about winning games when you are two goals up at West Ham or not conceding a last minute goal at Anfield and dropping two points.It's about not allowing players to become so arrogant and lazy that the great Olympiacos stuff us at the Emirates. Nothing to do with formations, all to do with character,determination and ruthlessness.That starts with the manager.

  98. Peter Wain

    Jul 15, 2016, 8:21 #90831

    Another day and no new players. I see Subotic’s transfer to Middlesborough is going through at £8million. I thought we bid £12 million. We cannot even compete with newly promoted teams. optimistic for the season I don't think so.

  99. Andreas

    Jul 15, 2016, 1:09 #90830

    Kev, the three at the back would suit the players we've got but I can envisage that a huge chasm appearing in front of the middle CB of the three, which is more likely to be BFG, and the trauma that would cause us when he is being faced with a rampaging CF heading towards him. Also, whilst ramsey excelled in the same position as Ozil, unfortunately, I believe that we have to sell one of them. Sanchez should be playing through the middle off another striker. Giroud is our current option but I still think there are better options. A 3-5-2 of Cech, Chambers, BFG, Kos, Bellerin, Xhaka, Elneny, Ozil, Monreal, Sanchez and Giroud would be a strong line up, with the token English player thrown in for good measure.

  100. Website Admin (Mike)

    Jul 14, 2016, 22:50 #90829

    I am getting a bit cheesed off with all the casual racism,homophobic heckling,sexist subtleties and the attacks against other peoples belief systems no matter how outlandish they appear.We as Arsenal fans have always prided ourselves on our open mindedness and lack of bigotry.If a man want's to marry his dog he will always have my blessing in a democratic society.Less mud slinging and more interesting anecdotes and songs/poems would be appreciated.

  101. Dial square

    Jul 14, 2016, 21:39 #90828

    So another transfer window is done and dusted no more shopping for tof just endless links to players we all know don't want to come to get those all important season tickets sold. money is the only thing Arsenal PLC are interested in. Only players that want to be here are those just interested to coast along getting mega money for doing very little or in Wallys case nothing at all. We still need a striker a centre half and a left wing to even compete with all the other cash rich clubs but we will do none of this as the Balance of the team will be upset....when does he realise there is no balance no clue as to how to address our failings for the last ten years just taking the cash. Could be interesting on opening day if we get a stuffing by Klopps Liverpool. Toxic from day one only our beloved club could suck all the air out of us this fast at the caldron of disappointment. To get the best out of our stars requires a splashing of the cash in the next few weeks but we have been here before and we all know where it ends except this year it probable will not even be 4th. Get him out before its too late

  102. Frank

    Jul 14, 2016, 21:20 #90827

    Kev Arsenal have NO chance is being in next season's title race.In a season when City Utd and Chelsea all decided to have rotten season's we still couldnt finish within 10 points of Leicester City.City and Utd have employed the top 2 managers in world while we have Inspector Clueless for the 45th season running.This time last season i was saying we needed 2 CB's(Mertersacker was finished two years ago) and 2 strikers we still do.How is Giroud still at the club? 57 league goals in 4 seasons an average of less than 15 a season.He plays for Arsenal FFS not West Brom.

  103. Time for change

    Jul 14, 2016, 16:34 #90826

    "If he could strike the right deal.". Even the second top PL scorer didn't want to come to AFC. What chance any other striker better than Giroud?!

  104. Pete

    Jul 14, 2016, 15:54 #90825

    Jambie's lost his teddy bear and he's in floods of tears. If you do locate it please send it to Caravan No. 20 Row A Southwold-Upon-Sizewell. The Bear is about a ft high has a patch over one eye it's wearing A duffle coat with a faulty zip and he has a little badge with the name Arsene in felt tip. Please do all you can to help.

  105. Goonersol

    Jul 14, 2016, 15:30 #90824

    Ultimately all pointless , until Wenger goes Arsenal will rust / stagnate / go backwards ( you choose ) he has now vetoed TH due to TV work , while he does both , what a joke Wenger has become , Arsenal going nowhere fast ......Wenger out

  106. jeff wright

    Jul 14, 2016, 14:23 #90823

    mbg, the only thing going for Wengo regarding the two play boys Ozil and Sanchez is that they want to stay in London because it suits their life styles .They both flopped in Spain at big clubs so unless German or Italian clubs come in then they are going nowhere. Unfortunately this being stuck in limbo with Wengo is likely to lead to more apathy from these sulky pair who have never cut the mustard in big games in Europe or rarely in the Prem either . No doubt some statistics can be cobbled together to show that Ozil makes so many assists and Sanchez scores a goal in every two games and what have you. Stats though can be misleading and do not always tell the whole story. Ozil came up short in the Euros with Germany in the two big games they played and I still remain unconvinced that he is as good as some claim him to be. As for Sanchez he looks better playing in South American tournaments than he does in European ones .As others have pointed out Wengo doesn't really have a clue as to what he should do with either - one obvious clue though is that a top mobile striker might help out but Wengo will wait for headless chicken Danny Boy to make yet another return from injury next year . Our slim title hopes will have long gone by then that is if they actually ever materialize. You couldn't make it up.

  107. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jul 14, 2016, 14:02 #90822

    Let's face it no matter how positive your outlook it's hard to see anything changing until a new manager walks through the door and sweeps clean all the detritus and dog poo that wenger has been accumulating over the last decade. As for Ramsey and Ozil, I couldn't care less if either or both were sold tomorrow. One of them can't play and the other one cant be bothered to play. Sanchez and Bellerin are the only two players worth their salt if you ask me. We are a million miles away from being a top team and will remain so under the current groundhog season regime

  108. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 14, 2016, 13:58 #90821

    Kev - I agree that there's almost a team there. But we probably all share the view that there are two seriously weak links (Olly and Gabriel), and the immediate fill ins for our putative first eleven, e.g. Wally, Ox, Smokin Jack, BFG, Gibbo, Ospina are all well short of what is required. I don't count Coq and Elneny in that group. So when the inevitable happens and the injuries start piling up, we'll be back on the way to sh*t street. But the weakest link, as others have already said, is the management who are incapable of two things: getting ordinary players to improve and getting the best out of the quality technical players. But others rivals are seriously strengthening so standing still is going to produce a deterioration in league position. You almost want a quick and disastrous start to the season - say losing the first 5 on the bounce - so that Stan will finally press the reject button in the hope that part of the season can be saved. ABW- Anyone but wenger. Maybe Stan would like the cut of Michael Gove's jib now he's semi-jobless (as someone with similar moral qualities to weng!)

  109. Tony Evans

    Jul 14, 2016, 13:54 #90820

    Hi Kevin - without wishing to ridicule your article in anyway I really do think the answer is as simple as replacing Wenger with a manager that knows how to get the best out of his players. Ramsey was a revelation for Wales, yet more often than not he is like a fish out of water at Arsenal - that can't just be coincidental. To get the best out of Ozil we need a quick, mobile frontman to make the most of Ozil's undoubted ability to thread a pass. Unfortunately all I see for the immediate Arsenal future is more of the same tosh we have been served up with for the last umpteen years.

  110. mbg

    Jul 14, 2016, 13:15 #90819

    jw, of course they would, unless they have no ambition either, look at all those who already have who weren't as easily fooled by TOF, RVP, Nasri, etc, etc, who had to move to win things, even his biggest cheerleader at the time (although not any more) Henry moved to achieve what he wanted before he became to old, there will be a lot of these players who will look back on their careers under TOF and think what a waste of my career, wally,(what wenger was going to do for him and his game at the time,) ramsey, the same, Wilshire ? the list is endless, ruined them all, what a waste. wenger out.

  111. Ron

    Jul 14, 2016, 12:56 #90818

    Interesting Kev as ever. His fave line up i think would have the Willy in it some where. Ive no idea where. To be honest im not sure Wengs has a preferred line up. Too many samey type players to distinguish really as i see it. Been the problem for a decade hasnt it, samey types and all lightweight. I think the best way to improve on Ozils role and Ramseys (whatever his role is supposed to be at its best?) is to sell both and replace while their prices are optimised following the euros. Failing that, keep them and sack Wenger. Im sure any other Coach would define their jobs clearly to them and get more mileage from both or if not, make the decision to show both the door smartish. The fuss over Ramsey from the media in the euros was a joke. I thought Zidane was back and been nationalised Welsh till i looked closely and saw that daft peroxide hair.

  112. mbg

    Jul 14, 2016, 12:45 #90817

    The only way to get the best out of Ozil and Ramsey (and indeed most of our players) is not change formation, it's change manager to one who knows what he's doing and can coach them properly and get the best out of them. wenger out.

  113. Edmund

    Jul 14, 2016, 12:25 #90815

    The dentist from Iceland could make better use of the existing squad.

  114. Red White

    Jul 14, 2016, 11:54 #90813

    Excellent, thoughtful, positive analysis Kevin. Unfortunately the Mostly Boring Gooners MBG crew will come along and spoil an excellent article.

  115. jeff wright

    Jul 14, 2016, 11:32 #90812

    While Wenger remains manager ,club spokesperson , head groundsman , tea-maker and chief accountant, a minor top 4 place will always be the first trophy to be won. I have no doubt at all that there is some unrest with certain players at AFC who would jump at the chance to move to a more ambitious club where the owner looks on trophies as being more important than profits. Stan however needs those profits to be kept in the club accountant to use for collateral when borrowing money to fund his various nefarious activities back in the good old U.S of A regarding the sports clubs that he runs there.They all meander along in mediocrity but help to pay for the Ranch and other things that help to keep Syrupy Stan happy. Wengo is up to his scrawny neck in all of the Stan related money grabbing and why not after all he is getting his whack out of it . On another note the FA are looking at making Fat Sam the new England boss and why not he couldn't do any worse than the previous long line of flops. Play it again Sam keep it simple Big Andy up front with a couple of hefty midfield enforcers and 3 Center - backs in defence with a proper GK instead of careless hands Hart gifting goals to opponents. Of course England are unlikely to win anything with this type of side but could get back to losing in the later stages of tournaments on penalties to the likes of Deutschland instead of to outfits like Iceland in 90 minute play.

  116. Peter Wain

    Jul 14, 2016, 11:19 #90811

    it is useless if you cannot score or stop other teams scoring. We need at least four players and with our injury records we should be looking for 6 realistically In reality if we get a free transfer I would be surprised. Wenger out now.

  117. Mark

    Jul 14, 2016, 11:03 #90810

    The problem as always is Wenger.We could have Messi and Ronaldo in our team and still not win the title.A good manager which Wenger isnt plays good players in their best positions.Ramsey is not and never will be a winger he is a box to box Bryan Robson type player

  118. John Kosmina

    Jul 14, 2016, 10:36 #90809

    Easy. Get rid of Wenger.

  119. Bard

    Jul 14, 2016, 10:21 #90808

    Decent analysis Kev. We have had three quarters of a good team for about 10 years now. The puzzle is what happens to the missing quarter ? The midfield is an issue because we have too many players wanting to occupy the same positions. I noticed you havent mentioned smokin Jack presumably because on the evidence of the Euros he's miles off the pace. There is no doubt we need reinforcements but as I stated we have been saying the same thing for a decade or more. With so many players missing for the start of the season we will do well not be out of the title race before the end of Sept in my book. and I agree that Chelsea look a good bet for the title without Euro competition.

  120. Far far away fan

    Jul 14, 2016, 10:19 #90807

    I was wondering when this piece would come. Despite our better judgement, we start dreaming.