The Future Is Far From Bright

What is going on with the youngsters at Arsenal?



The Future Is Far From Bright

Joao Virgina – Write your own (feeble) punchline


In 2010 a young Brazilian called Wellington Silva joined Arsenal as a 16-year-old. We were told at the time that we had fought off interest from Manchester United, Real Madrid and Chelsea to land a player with an incredibly bright future. My first glimpse of Silva came just after half-time in the 2013 version of our annual pre-season friendly at Boreham Wood. He barely touched the ball in a limp 3-0 defeat for a mixed Under 21 and Under 18 Gunners’ side. On my way out of the ground I tweeted ‘would love to know how it was decided that any of these players were worthy of being at Arsenal’ and followed up with ‘if any of the 20 or so players I saw today ever make the Arsenal first team as regulars, something will have gone incredibly wrong’.

Ok so the second tweet is a little dramatic and of the 21 players listed on the teamsheet that day two did play first team football for Arsenal, although only Alex Iwobi (who played the last 31 minutes) looks like proving the assessment wrong.

This weekend I sent similar tweets as I walked out of Boreham Wood’s Meadow Park ground. The result was identical to three years before, a 3-0 home win. The personnel had changed, but if anything the performance from the young Gunners was actually far worse.

Again it was an Arsenal XI – made up of the same mix of Under 21 and Under 18 players. The roman numerals acting as a warning to anyone that fancies seeing established first teamers that they might have a wasted journey. The marketing spin used by the savvy hosts is that we can come and see the ‘Premier League stars of the future’. It’s a fixture that the ‘Wood have been granted a number of times the last few seasons, barring the 2015 match cancelled due to poor weather. The National League (Step 5 of the English pyramid system) team host all Arsenal Ladies matches and a selection of Arsenal Youth teams across the season. Occasionally fans at this fixture have been rewarded with appearances from first team stars, Aaron Ramsey recently and even Dennis Bergkamp (in 2001 when the arrangement was less formal).

Some people reading this will argue that we cannot take pre-season results seriously, especially ones from a youth team that aren’t used to playing with each other. I’d counter that what I’ve seen in this Boreham Wood friendly in 2013, and last weekend, does show a far deeper problem at the club. Let’s go back three years and examine a selection of the players on view that day closely. Zach Fagan played in defence and was given a torrid time, he later found his level in Non-League with Welling United but seems to have gone missing since signing for them. Or how about Austin Lipman, a player that we heard some good things about, he eventually joined Boreham Wood on loan, but deemed surplus to requirements found his level at ‘Step 12’ of the pyramid with local club London Lions.

You could say that taking a punt on a number of youth players from the local area may pay off even if only 1 in every 20 goes on to become a decent player, but some of these players are costing us money. Take Leander Siemann for example, he joined the club for £250k back in March 2011. He played in defence in the 2013 game. He was released by the club about 10 months later and (via a doping case in Portugal) is now plying his trade in the German reserve league for FC Koln II. All this brings us back to Silva, who has re-joined Fluminense after six wasted years of development costs, wages, hosting and an initial £3.5m transfer fee. These aren’t punts, they’re costly experiments that are mostly going wrong.

The 2013 youth side followed up their 3-0 defeat at Boreham Wood by losing 7-0 at Luton Town, a game after which some serious questions should have been asked of Steve Gatting and his staff - maybe they were, Dutchman Andries Jonker came in a year later to head up the team. Hector Bellerin and Alex Iwobi the only two players to have emerged from that game with any path of an Arsenal career in the intervening three years. Gatting was again on the Arsenal bench for the Boreham Wood game last weekend. He has held the top youth team position in our coaching ranks since 2007. A time in which we’ve seen very little progress from the hundreds (and it is in the hundreds) of youngsters that have tried to break through the system. Something must be wrong – the initial scouting and selection OR the development – maybe a mixture of the two.

Back to Saturday, where there was no communication on the pitch between the Arsenal players, no leaders organising on the pitch and the absolute lack of any semblance of a plan in even the most basic of game situations – throws, free-kicks etc. I know that all sounds extremely familiar to those of you that just watch the first team. There was even a second-half corner when trailing in the game that sailed over the whole area and went out for a throw on the other side. The first goal for Boreham Wood featured an uncontested cross and keeper Joao Virgina palming weakly at the ball as it passed him to hit the back of the net.

There really should not be any excuses. The hosts had young players on the pitch too, and also (as a new squad) hadn’t played together that much. Manager Luke Garrard one of the youngest in Non-League’s top-flight had them playing by far the better football (moves of up to 20 passes at least three times in the second half). Maybe it meant far more to them and their second half performance brought about a goal from a well worked move and then a penalty (naively given away by Virgina after his defence had been easily bypassed). The overriding view, as in 2013, is that none of these youngsters were up to the grade of being at our club. To the extent where it was questionable how indeed some of them ever were.

At this age group we’ve been told plenty of times that the performance is what counts not the result. In the absence of both it’s surely only right to be concerned.

Jonker has been at the head of the development system at Colney for two years now, but this fixture proves (to an extent) that there hasn’t been any improvement. It really looks as if the future is not bright at all and maybe the coaching staff need another overhaul. If this is the best we can do then I’m a Dutchman too Andries.


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  1. mbg

    Jul 26, 2016, 17:35 #91049

    ArseneKnewBest, and that doesn't bear thinking about at all mate.

  2. mbg

    Jul 26, 2016, 17:25 #91048

    jj, wee Leicester beating TOF and his wengerites to something he's been trying to do for eleven years/seasons now must really have pissed them off (remember the Leicester will never last, they'll run out of steam, they'll be brought back down to earth jeers from them) it really did, and especially TOF himself after trying to proof everybody wrong and him right by winning it on the cheap for all that time only to be beaten to it by Leicester (even any lower club) I bet he (or his followers)never envisaged that for one minute, what a blow to his ego that was, the biggest and best one he's ever had. Well done again Leicester. wenger out now.

  3. jjetplane

    Jul 26, 2016, 11:33 #91041

    The Diaby Experiment - how much did that cost! If Asano Fc squeeze 4th this coming season will be a bigger miracle that Per Diaby's incredible 2nd finish which stunned all the critics. Last night they were discussing on 5 live possible winners of PL which sort of went 'the two Manchester clubs but don't forget Klopp and Chelsea' then someone quipped (obviously smirking) 'don't forget Arsenal' at which they all started laughing ... I had a leetle smirk too. Good old Asano comedy club.

  4. Jamie

    Jul 26, 2016, 10:59 #91038

    Red white. You're quite right. Per could be out for 5 months. Could be less, could be more. However, although I obviously don't know as much as Mr A. Wenger would, his own track record on injury absence predictions isn't much cop. His "2 to 3 weeks" affirmations have been known to lead to season-long absences.

  5. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 25, 2016, 23:57 #91026

    Wenger places a Maurice Chevalier 78 on his dansette and seductively removes his puma anorak (available from the asano emporium for £249.99). After 15 minutes, by which time he is liberally perspiring, he finally gets it off to reveal a fuschia leatherette posing pouch. The large rodent stirs on the purple velvet chaise longue and urgently pleads, "now monsieur wenger, s'il te plait". The aging former football manager inserts the tip of his proboscis into the groundhog which instinctively moans and almost as instantly climaxes, and says through gritted teeth, "now we'll be together for good Arsene mon cher". A bead of sweat drips off the manager's nose and onto the back of the groundhog's neck and their sordid union is complete. They both simultaneously say, "I got you babe" as Bill Murray appears in the corner of the room. Ah well, makes a change from thinking about football.

  6. Red white

    Jul 25, 2016, 22:26 #91025

    Jamie. Drama queen if ever I saw one. You will be well suited by this website. Per COULD be out out for many months. Unless you, like others on here know better than mr a wenger.

  7. mbg

    Jul 25, 2016, 21:50 #91024

    Jamie, the season hasn't even begun yet and it's already started, heaven help us you couldn't make it up, we're going to be an even bigger laughing stock and figure of fun than last season. wenger out before the season starts.

  8. Red white

    Jul 25, 2016, 21:45 #91023

    Just read on this site from many that we are doomed for mid table mediocrity before a ball is kicked .... Love this site. Bow down Kevin and the team and JJ

  9. Jamie

    Jul 25, 2016, 21:11 #91022

    Skipper Per Mertesacker looks to be taking to his new role as captain in much the same way as Vermaelen and Arteta did - he's out injured for 5 months. Give it to Theo.

  10. jjetplane

    Jul 25, 2016, 20:19 #91021

    'The fact that Leicester were first last season is irrelevant' ..... just read that one on Untold .... Love that site! Good old Walter Wengo.

  11. mbg

    Jul 25, 2016, 20:13 #91020

    Dial square, of course he hasn't a clue mate, he never did/had, others were there for him and got him through but TOF took the credit, now he's like a rabbit caught in a cars headlights he's completely lost doesn't know what to do, no plan whatsoever, he stands there at interviews with that silly smirk on his face as if he's keeping things from us and knows things we don't when in reality he doesn't, he's fooling no one, he hasn't a clue, his mind is a blank he's just smirking at the darkness. wenger out before it starts again.

  12. jjetplane

    Jul 25, 2016, 19:49 #91019

    Anyone know if The Sanogo shirts are on sale yet? Remember those four goals - no, me neither! Good old Asano ...

  13. Dial square

    Jul 25, 2016, 19:43 #91018

    Apparently BFG could now be out for 5 months-not too sure of the sources reliability but he is not in the squad for our American revenue generator I mean tour. My money will be on "We have players who can play there" from TOF not oh s*it we need to buy a centre half and then get the job done. He does not need to brake the bank here just a solid CB to go with the other one we are meant to be in for oh wait we are just waiting to see who others don't want come the end of August so really no plan at all on that front just like our chase of that all important striker I don't think he has a clue who it will be, and there is the problem identify the player make the play if it doesn't fall move to plan B. The only true plan at Arsenal PLC is get as much cash off the fans while doing as little as possible to achieve it and boy is it working as we are the most cash rich club in world football at the moment. But we can only compete with Leicester as the cash has to stay in the bank. Story's of forwards and wingers are flying around at the moment as well, I guess as some have said on hear a low uptake on new shirt sales requires the spinners to get the message out. Get him out before it is too late

  14. mbg

    Jul 25, 2016, 18:28 #91017

    jw, yes two miserable FA cups (and lucky ones at that)for all that dough spent, sorry wasted, and also two cups that TOF and his AKB's had no interest in and wanted to throw to try and win bigger things, LOL, (until of course it saved their messiah's arse)and then it was a great comp, and also lets not forget (as usual)the humiliations and embarrassments on the pitch (and off it)over the last ten years for all that money. wenger out now before it starts again.

  15. goonersol

    Jul 25, 2016, 16:43 #91016

    " A philosophy away "....how very true, Wenger and his AKB's can wallow in top 4 finishes, without ever winning any silverware ( 2 FA cups in 12yrs noted)do the AKB's support the club, or le fraud, who keeps promising jam tomorrow......One day they will wake up.......In Wenger we rust......another Giroudhog season awaits.

  16. Gerarld

    Jul 25, 2016, 16:20 #91015

    It's not just about about spending lots of dosh or bringing in the latest big name.If you don't pay your dollar you shouldn't have a say who we bring in.Too many armchair football geniuses for my liking.

  17. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 25, 2016, 16:02 #91014

    Here's a further interesting quote from a German our own BFG. "It is a miracle we finished 2nd" have a good long hard think about that one. Per you are a very clever man, calling Wenger a bumbling idiot in such a way that no one can have a dig. I'm liking our German friends comments on Arsenal. A refreshing change.

  18. jeff wright

    Jul 25, 2016, 14:51 #91013

    Vardy is not the only one Ron to not buy into the Wenger myths .The ' marquee ' signings Ozil and sulky Sanchez are at AFC by sufferance only the most deluded AKB would believe otherwise. I read some stats the other day showing how many trophies and the prestige value of them won by the 5 richest clubs in the Prem over the past 10 seasons .The Prem and European Cup obviously being rated the top two trophies. We are bottom of the list behind Chelsea ,United,City and Liverpool .With just 2 FA Cups won for all the money spent on players and wages - not least Wengo's!

  19. mbg

    Jul 25, 2016, 14:44 #91012

    Mark from Aylesbury, nice one, and he never spoke truer words, TOF's philosophy is so out of date it no longer esists, star of the week ? star of the month and journo of the year and quip of the season, now a hate figure among AKB wengerites. wenger out now.

  20. Ron

    Jul 25, 2016, 14:03 #91011

    Yes Jeff its never been just about needing to spend money has it though Wengers apologists idly throw that out at those of us who want him gone. The game has by passed Wenger in all depts outside of the use of money, though hes so institutionalised at the Club and embedded in the medias consciousness as some kind of a coaching guru that hes effectively bomb proof from most criticism. Them at Arsenal who own and run it have all fallen for the myth too. Vardy didnt though did he!

  21. jeff wright

    Jul 25, 2016, 13:31 #91010

    Spot on Ron no doubt at all that Wengo is calling the shots on where the money is spent.Stan however decides on how much dosh Wengo will be allowed to waste.I have always believed,as Raneiri proved at Leicester last term ,that it's how money and resources tactics and coaching are used that determines who challenges for the league title and in Europe .Wenger comes up short every season with his flawed management but he has by various means, including at times some good fortune, managed to keep qualifying for Europe and the big bucks that thisearns Syrupy . His problem is that he doesn't have a clue what to do when playing there.Anyway any manager who admits that he would be happy to finish second in the league for the next 20 years obviously feels secure in the knowledge that winning the league is not part of his brie - with a top 4 spot ( yawn) being job done .

  22. Ron

    Jul 25, 2016, 12:34 #91009

    Mark - like it. A 'philosophy away' etc etc. Succinct but so right. No titles under Wenger will ever again occur, pretty sure of that. Lets hope its all done come next May, though even then expect another to work within the same parameters as Wengs has this last decade. He ll still be there directing things from the shadows dont forget. People like him cant ever let go.

  23. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 25, 2016, 11:39 #91008

    Rapha Hognigstein - German football journo - it is impossible to understand Wenger, he is not one or two players away from winning the league. He is a philosophy away from winning the league. Can we nominate this guy as star of the week!

  24. Mark

    Jul 25, 2016, 8:48 #91007

    dont mind if we buy Mahrez. cant help thinking hell lose his end product ability once wenger gets hold of him... key for me is we offload Theo to do this west ham are perfect for Theo; olympic Stadium has a running track around the pitch doesnt it ? Theo doesnt like the ball very much but he likes running fast. he can run around the edge of the pitch getting the fans excited but just dont bring him on,,,,,,

  25. Paul Ward

    Jul 24, 2016, 21:48 #91006

    Why all this stressing about the lack of new signings? We've already secured the finest number 9 in the whole of Japan, the best big centre half in the entire league one, and who could overlook the fact that yaya sanogo is back at the club following a loan spell at Accrington Stanley or wherever ? Exciting times indeed

  26. mark

    Jul 24, 2016, 20:55 #91005

    please sell theo dont put us through another season of potential and promise the guy will be 40 years old soon...

  27. Bard

    Jul 24, 2016, 18:01 #91004

    I see we are after Mahrez. Cunningly I can now see the masterplan, we are going to play a 1-9-1 system, with Mahrez, Ozil Granite, Elneny, Ramsey, Santi,Coq. Iwobi and jack as out midfield !!!! Take that Maureen.

  28. mbg

    Jul 24, 2016, 17:58 #91003

    jw, yes the spin machine is in full flow now, we're been associated with any player with two legs even those with only one, as ivybridge gooner says the shirts sales are slower than they've ever been, and their going to have to get the gullible AKB's to start buying them some how, so after that news about Mahrez the shirt printing department will have gotten an extra 5,000 letter Z's in in readiness. And what about this been distinctly unimpressed that TOF was spouting about other managers/teams trying to sign his players, it's all right if he does it of course, nothing distinctly wrong with that from him and his AKB wengerites i'll bet, what an arrogant hypocrite. Go now you old fraud.

  29. mbg

    Jul 24, 2016, 17:18 #91002

    Word has it TOF has identified the right player to play alongside Ozil, now all we need is someone to come along and buy and pay for him for us. You couldn't make it up. wenger out now.

  30. Ivybridge Gooner

    Jul 24, 2016, 13:19 #91001

    The sense of despair is consuming me already. Its 24th July and as I sit here at work wondering what is going on in N7 I feel that I am being punished for falling in love with this club during my youth. Another poster said it all “It feels like we are staying together for the sake of the children”. I don’t doubt we are in for another groundhog day transfer window resembling 2013 and the opening day defeat to Villa and ensuing spending drama. I wish that our club would plan for success the way any professional body behaves setting out the goals and targets and then implementing the strategy to deliver it. What is Arsenal’s strategy? My mate laughed when he said “I think you need a bigger stadium to compete”. The current formula doesn’t work. It has to change soon. With Ron predicting TH14 as the successor early last year I thought change was a certainty (happen to agree with everything Ron says) but with the Giroud Slater choosing Sky TV’s £40k per week what on earth can the boards succession plan be? Two questions? Is the lack of a contract renewal offer at this point a certainty that Arnold is on his bike? And has anyone ever seen less of the “New” Arsenal shirts being worn at this point in July?

  31. jjetplane

    Jul 24, 2016, 12:04 #91000

    I understand Arnold is having problems dressing himself which began with Zipgate. Some have the thoughtless temerity to mention a transfer market to Arnold to which he now replies 'having leetle bit trouble with my laces...' Meanwhile Santi who looks as old as Arnold when he puts a shift in is coming back. He will be 'the new signing' if he can fit into the new shirt so I am with Arnold on this one if I can just .... sort out these bloody shirt buttons! Merde! You alright there LEEK? - little bit tough nite at a Motown disco near you last night? lol!

  32. Leek fc

    Jul 24, 2016, 11:26 #90999

    Sounds as if the negatives on here are getting all hot under the collar as Mr Wenger isn't panicking in the transfer market. The MBG's (mostly boring gooners) don't put any money into the club so why get hysterical about it all. The club is in safe hands folks. Wenger must stay.

  33. mbg

    Jul 24, 2016, 0:06 #90998

    peter wain, he's just following orders mate, and we all know where their coming from, until wenger goes nothing will change, it is all we'll hear, nodding dog lackeys doing, saying, everything TOF tells them and following his orders to the letter. wenger out now.

  34. mbg

    Jul 23, 2016, 23:48 #90997

    I read today where Gazidis is frustrated at not being able to persuade TOF to go down the buying big route (if you can believe that or not or just more spin covering his own arse) if true we must have the money then, but we know we have already, also if true obviously TOF rules Gazidis too (along with everything else but I suppose we knew that too)as he's now agreeing with him and taking his line, I've absolutely no time for that slap head either and he's just as bad as TOF but there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever wenger is the main instigator of everything and runs the show from top to bottom, especially the transfers (and lack off) and is fully responsible and to blame for everything to do with them, (and everything else over the years that has held this club back and made us second/third raters, him and him alone. For the love of God put us all out of our misery and go now you past it old fraud.

  35. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 23, 2016, 20:05 #90996

    JeffW - what are you doing siding with The Jamerson? Us "WOBs" which he so clearly hates with a passion must NEVER fall out - as it happens I rather agree with JC (great initials?) on most issues & it's bad enough having the Media & Blairites against him without adding the full might of the Gooner world. Mind you Jamerson might have a point with his unswerving loyalty to OGL - as a master of spin maybe Team Corbyn should find a place for Le Zip?

  36. Del

    Jul 23, 2016, 18:32 #90995

    You can't expect it to be easy for Arsenal anymore,Leicester proved last season that the smaller clubs can now mount a challenge with the TV and Premier league money now available for all top tier clubs. There's no such thing as a top four anymore.You can't blame Wenger if we don't win the league as it's no longer down to three or four elite clubs.Yet if we do manage to pull it off in such circumstances he should be hailed a genius.

  37. Dial square

    Jul 23, 2016, 17:08 #90994

    Interesting quote from Tof, we will spend big money if the right player becomes available. For F*uk sake what have they been doing all this time? Do we not have a transfer plan? it appears not which does not surprise me. Only plane at Arsenal PLC is to rip off the loyal fans time and time again. Expect lots of excuses come September 2nd. Teams with no champions league pull are getting good players in we are fiddling while the crowd at the Grove get more and more irate. Get him out before it is too late

  38. Ron

    Jul 23, 2016, 17:07 #90993

    CG - Yr post wasn't juvenile at all mate. It was dead on. One thing that might deter Mr W from that Eng job is that it comes without a comfort blamket. Its a sack gteed job isnt it and at a quarter of his existing salary for taking on some pressure. Hi Cyril - Fine mate. We ve all done the 'one last year' thing havent we. Hope it pays off for you, but yr right in all that you say. Ill never re kindle the old mojo and fan passion though Cyril. Even if we were challenging genuinely and thats all i ever ask, i couldnt raise my former motivation for it. The games all so superficial now isnt it.

  39. jjetplane

    Jul 23, 2016, 13:10 #90992

    AKB central are right behind (sic) Ivan .... Their leader is a good friend of Ivan and is also a consultant for what statue goes where outside the largest foodie complex in the Nags Head area ..... Primark have been invited into said complex to utilise space that has been vacated by football supporters. Bit lost as to what football has to do with the Emirates? Anyway, Primark are happy to stay where they are and feel they would be better off at a resurgent West Ham though the Hammers have so many supporters they have reasonbly declined such relationships. Elsewhere s[onsors are competing to come up with a boot big enough for the fallow giant Holding who we understand has left his wife and child at the North Wall while he prepares for the long journey by er longboat and shoulf arrive at the mouth of the Thames before the Liverpool game. It really is time Klopp stopped all that smirking and has a bit more respect for 'his elders' .... Sunderland are 50-1 to win the PL which sounds a good punt when you look at Arsenal;s odds for winning big for theforseeable century. Harsh but true. Good to see at least Jeff and Jamerson are such good mates now lol!

  40. Jamerson

    Jul 23, 2016, 12:28 #90991

    jeff-the supporters of other clubs are better known as WOBs.Even though you're right on Corbyn,the tory's are just as bad with Teresa May another one who loves to suck up to the deviants..

  41. peter wain

    Jul 23, 2016, 11:27 #90990

    so the snake oiled salesman has decreed that we are not buying players because we have a squad good enough to win the premier league. What planet is numnuts on? Who has he managed and what are his qualifications for making this ridiculous statement. If we do not buy a top top quality striker and a decent centre half we have zero chance of winning anything this year and with the weak team we have against Liverpool the chances of a home defeat are very real indeed. Wenger out and take numnuts with you.

  42. mbg

    Jul 23, 2016, 2:38 #90989

    ArseneKnewBest, there never has been mate, it's even lower than fans like ourselves have come to expect it really is,(and I think a hell of a lot of AKB wengerites have even realised that now too but a lot of them won't admit it of course) what wenger has done to this once great proud club and how he has brought it down is criminal it really is and still he gets off with it that makes it even worse, he deserves the birch he really does, and there was a time he'd have got it, no matter what happens this season (and we all know it won't be much)he'll never ever be forgiven. wenger out now.

  43. Edmund

    Jul 23, 2016, 1:18 #90988

    Good article, Alan. I wonder what the situation is like at other clubs like City and MU before we go Wenger/Grazidis-bashing. Aston Villa may have got relegated but their youth team seem pretty decent.

  44. Jamerson

    Jul 23, 2016, 0:54 #90987

    Good on yer Cyril.

  45. Cyril

    Jul 23, 2016, 0:30 #90986

    Jameson, no it is not. To regale a story, I have many spud friends and at a defeat at WHL, they insisted I go for a pint on T high road. I boycotted and waited outside the pub for 40 minutes. A shuffling and a chuckle later, I was warmed by the dulcet tues of the cockerel chorus of 'nice one cyril'. Yep burdened by name alright!! Moving on, Corbyn makes a cracking bench warmer, sorry backbencher, oops!

  46. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 23, 2016, 0:19 #90985

    mbg - just checked the lowlights of the game. The team looked shi'ite and were lucky to draw. Good job it was lens and not borehamwood they were playing...has there been another season in recent times when the expectation was so low?

  47. mbg

    Jul 22, 2016, 23:38 #90984

    I see chamberlain has scored a great goal against lens in a pre season friendly, always the same when there's no pressure and nothing to play for, lets see him do it when it matters, so we all know what we'll hear next, chamberlain has shown great qualittee he's like a new signing and of course there'll be the nodding heads in agreement from the AKB's until of course the inevitable happens. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  48. Roy

    Jul 22, 2016, 22:39 #90983

    Very interesting article Alan, but why would anyone be that surprised ? Standing still is what the club excels in, and so it will remain until the Wengo - Syrupy Stan alliance is broken. Let's hope it's not terminal by then.

  49. Juggernaut

    Jul 22, 2016, 22:33 #90982

    Just read Gazidis' comments. Not for the first time, I am livid. Absolutely LIVID. E

  50. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 22, 2016, 22:10 #90981

    Jeff - I know it refuses to accord with your preordained right wing ideological narrative but simply by googling "jeremy corbyn arsenal" you'll see a plethora of many real (and admittedly some photo-shopped) images of your future prime minister in and around the ground supporting the team - there's even one of him fronting up to a huge spuds fan as the latter tells him he'd make a great prime minister. Come on Jeff - if cro-magnon Spuds fans can see that this solid gooner should be top of the tree,then surely you need to get on the bandwagon too. I'm sure he'll forgive your past transgressions if you tell him you've seen the light and will henceforth always vote red! Keep the red flag flying mate.

  51. jeff wright

    Jul 22, 2016, 21:55 #90980

    AKB,Corbo replacing Ivano would mean we have two Wengo's ! Hey one deluded fool is more than enough. I don't believe that Corbo has the slightest interest in football when he was younger he was more interested in other things such as getting up to extra-curricular activities with Diane Abbot when at Uni - after a night out on the pop and whatever... you couldn't make it up ... rather than him going to Highbury to watch a match and have a couple of beers in The Gunners . I can't picture a young green anorak wearing bearded lefty Trotskyist Corbo standing on the North Bank on a cold Saturday afternoon.His alleged AFC support is just another attempt by Corbo to try and make contact with the locals in Holloway who are not that interested in his real interests. C'est la vie !

  52. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 22, 2016, 20:54 #90979

    Cyril - I know what you're saying with that TA story (although getting into a drinking session with him and the Romford Pele 20 years ago would have been a bit risky, esp on a school night...). If there is anyone in the current squad to have an N1 pub crawl with, I'd probably go for Sanchez and Cech - mixing pisco sours and absinthe would be a guaranteed trip. We could finish in the gunners after hopping on the no. 19 so I coul dshow them the remnants of some former real Arsenal teams. I could even get that brown ale reactionary Jeff Wright to join in if he promised not to kill the mood by parroting porkies from the daily mail. Corbo to replace Gazido - now!

  53. Dial square

    Jul 22, 2016, 20:11 #90978

    Two bits of news today totally sum up were we have arrived at as a football club. First we have signed a 20yr old centre back from a relegated championship club and treat it like the 2nd coming which makes the above article all the more relevant re our poor academy. 2nd Stan's puppet CEO tells us between the lines to forget the title cause we will not compete with the big boys in the transfer market. Someone please remind me why we built the cathedral of disappointment...oh yes to compete with the big boys which we never have. The only Marquee signings we have had in the last 10 yrs were players other clubs did not want anymore. The only purpose for the move was to make money for Arsenal PLC which they are doing hand over fist. We could stop this almost over night by having a mass no show for our fist home game this season, showing the current regime that we no longer buy into what is on offer. American owners get quite twitchy about this as secondary income on game day is a big revenue source and half empty stadiums are not good news for corporate sponsors. Don't see it happening though as no other club would have put up with this blatant rip off of fans for so long. If we go down the Leicester City root fine then drop the prices of tickets accordingly and get a manager that does tactics and motivation we might then be onto a winner at the moment even the 4th place trophy looks beyond our outdated set up. Get him out before it's too late

  54. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 22, 2016, 19:54 #90977

    Hi Ron- just read your response to my juvenile post. Well, things are so incredibly bad that you have to laugh otherwise, as a long time Gooner, you would be driven to that life ending Japanese procedure involving a long, sharp blade & plenty of blood. So don't go raising my hopes of Le Weng for England 2017! But as you say, I wouldn't put it past the FA either & I do think that Le Zip & the FA are a match made in heaven.

  55. Cyril

    Jul 22, 2016, 17:34 #90976

    Hi Ron, hope your well. This is too true. It's like a gambling fix. I'll just chase this lost bet one more time in the hope that they can rekindle and be the club they truly are. I have had so many highs and lows being a fan for 40 years but the last ten have been like living with the partner for the sake of the kids. Ron, I saw Tony Adams walking down Upper Street about twenty years ago, filofax in hand and I nearly jumped off the routemaster at thirty miles an hour into Essex rd to go and say something to him. Would I do that now to any of the current players, would I fancy a pint with any of them the truthful answer is probably no. Why? It 's not because I don't really want to but where is the heart to make us respect and adore them. It feels like there has been a slow creep of disrespect and disdain over this time and I'm not sure If I or many other fans of our generation will get that excitement and pride back again.

  56. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 22, 2016, 17:25 #90975

    Well Ivan's made himself look a complete plonker before the season even starts. Sanctimonious bullshine from surely the least effective club director in Prem football. The attacks on him in the fans zones are like Grandma when he's doing his worst. Keep on stoking the fires Ivan but one day you're going to get burnt.

  57. Bard

    Jul 22, 2016, 16:50 #90974

    Just read the Gazidis interview nicely timed to address the fact that we have done very little in the window. Sounds like we are now back at the original argument as to why we havent been able to compete, no money. Instead we have decided to follow the Leicester route. Dont hold your breath on that one.

  58. Ron

    Jul 22, 2016, 16:36 #90973

    Hi Cyril - will all due respect they only empty yr account because you allow them to do so my friend.

  59. Mark

    Jul 22, 2016, 16:21 #90972

    Klopp's Liverpool will fly out of the traps mid-august and well be starting season with a home defeat against a rival. well then clock up some Points against lower Teams before geting spanked by chelsea and man u. well then sort out some lower Team again, all of the time hoverring around the top 6. this is the annual wenger formula. try to win 21 games, draw 8-10 and go into the season knowing that you have no Intention to really try to win the other 7-9 matches....

  60. jeff wright

    Jul 22, 2016, 16:00 #90971

    Too true mbg ,only Champagne Socialist Corbo shows as much lack of self awareness as Wengo ! The Bello to join younger more ambitious and tactically far far more astute than Wengo - Pep at City - looks like dragging on and on with the old fraud at the fag-end of his long ( yawn) tenure at AFC showing the strain and spluttering and whining in ludicrous self righteous indignation that Pep is tapping up his former protege at Barca -young Bello. It looks like no contest to me this and if Wengo forces the Spaniard whom he nicked from Barcelona - like he did with Fabregas - to see out his contract then he will be cutting off his rather large nose to spite his face.Seeing as how this would cost Syrupy a fair few millions and leave him paying wages to an unsettled player it looks a no brainer what the eventually outcome will be. Cue the wonderful AKb now to add Bello to their ever and ever growing hate list .The fact that that are aiming their bile at the WRONG targets though doesn't seem to have dawned on these dim cretins. You couldn't make it up.

  61. mbg

    Jul 22, 2016, 15:30 #90970

    jw, great post, yes any manager in any league in Europe with a shed of decency, any respect or self respect whatsoever and any respect for the club they managed would have walked years ago, but no not the old past it fraud we have, he hasn't an ounce of respect in his body, still bumbling on showing no shame with embarrassment after embarrassment still trying to prove everybody wrong. go now you embarrassment.

  62. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 22, 2016, 14:49 #90969

    With regards to the negativity; I hear you, but what club nowadays does bring on "da yoof"? Chelsea, Man U, Citeh, Bin Dippers, Spuds ad nauseum. Who have they brought through in the last few years? Strikes me that the yoof team is just a bit of window dressing, giving some old lag (masquerading as YT Coach) a pension. BTW: back in 1982 I saw an Arsenal XI play our local non-league team - they were beaten out of sight 2-0, and lucky to get nil. Included in that side was a certain Paul Davis.

  63. Cyril

    Jul 22, 2016, 14:45 #90968

    Very disappointing again. Labouring to give us marquee players. Core values indeed. Yet, very lightning quick to empty my bank account for the season ticket in June. They know how to collect the money alright. King John would have been proud. I'm fed up of all my manc friends crowing about new buys etc etc. I was told over ten years ago at an Arsenal dinner do for fans that we would win the league in 2016/17, by an ex player. Perhaps he was looking at the future and a random guess. I was gutted at the time, but would snap his hand off now. Can't see it myself. Here's hoping ....

  64. jjetplane

    Jul 22, 2016, 14:31 #90967

    Good reviews for Per's movie! BFG is Sick! Waiting for a sequel called Asano and the journey through the jungle of corruption. An Attwood production no less .....

  65. jeff wright

    Jul 22, 2016, 14:19 #90966

    The obnoxious bald headed coot Ivano, with his latest dimwitted comments , confirms yet again that there is no ambition at AFC under Syrupy Stan and Wengo's profits before trophies regime. Wengo himself has become a caricature of himself - it's no longer a case of lost in translation with him - but one of delusion caused by being lost in an unambitious comfy zone . Le specialist in failure - Inspector Clueless - yesterdays's man - only the big bucks that Syrupy Stan pays him helps to ease the pain of the humiliations that he suffers. Although it must be said that his huge ego and arrogance also helps to shield him with him blaming his incompetance of misfortune or unfairness that the slings and arrows of adversity and opponents aim at him . A man with more self awareness and honor would walk away from the constant embarrassing failures that he suffers every season . Good old Arsene.

  66. jjetplane

    Jul 22, 2016, 14:06 #90965

    News! Asano sign giant from North Wall Fc. Thought they already had but this Holding Mk 11 is bigger - like Trident he comes from beneath the pitch? & then springs up in a Per stylee leaving your average CF in smirk mode. That's the transfers over with, now where are yer Liverpool .....

  67. mbg

    Jul 22, 2016, 13:30 #90964

    tony ward, no disrespect but what I think is also appalling is putting TOF on some sort of pedestal or in some sort of special category by referring to him as le boss, he certainly does not deserve to be on or in any such thing or never did. wenger out.

  68. mbg

    Jul 22, 2016, 13:19 #90963

    I see TOF is distinctly unimpressed (whatever that means)that a rival is making a bid for one of his players, really ? after all the distinctly laughable and distinctly embarrassing bids you've made in the past ? what an arrogant fraud. go now old man.

  69. Peter Wain

    Jul 22, 2016, 13:14 #90962

    No my mistake just read Gazidis interview the blokes an utter moron.

  70. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 22, 2016, 13:08 #90961

    Jjet - Hapless Feo clumsily strumming "cum by yah" in ward 666, turning round suddenly after being distracted by the offer of pay increase and thus snagging the neck of his rickenbacher on the morphine drip attached to a patient with terminal restless leg syndrome. Alan - The future looks grimmer than Grimsby at Asano Inc. I'd seen that result earlier against the mighty borehamwood (the pride of hertfordshire beats Leekey's pride of london) and laughed m.f.a.o. Maybe the yoof set-up would do better in the hands of rotund, finger-pointing Mike Gatting rather than his thinner brother Steve. The way Arsenal used to promote and treat young players was something to be admired, but now they're just seen as commodities. Another nail in the club's coffin. Ingerland and weng deserved each other - shame it didn't happen. Oh, and Jeff W - typical of right wingers to say something outrageously untrue (corbo and that dog-sh*t about champagne), and then get all defensive and prissy like a cuckolded vicar when they're called out on it.

  71. Peter Wain

    Jul 22, 2016, 12:57 #90960

    Have we got a transfer ban?

  72. jjetplane

    Jul 22, 2016, 12:24 #90959

    If youngsters Ozil and Sanchez follow kid wonder Bellerin out the door and on to trophyworld then Theo is looking to fill that highest paid 'player' at Asano again. Clueless could be announcing 'yes well er I think Walcott is a top top player and yes losing leetle speed he could be like er a playmaker - look the guy is trying hard and he has a warm personality and err kids at hospitals enjoy his guitar playing so yes - do I think he is better than Pogba? He could be' .... smiles and plays with buttons on his shirt ....

  73. Ron

    Jul 22, 2016, 10:54 #90958

    CG - Hmmm. I wonder. Do you think that maybe the Wengs has been earmarked for the Eng job (nudge and a wink etc etc ) and that Allardyce is the unwitting stooge to fill the period between now and when the Weng walks from N7? I wouldnt put it past the FA to pull that stroke, a bit like Utd did to Moyes.

  74. Tony Evans

    Jul 22, 2016, 9:21 #90957

    Mark from Aylesbury - yes I might be desperate where Arsenal are concerned at the moment, but not that desperate!

  75. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jul 22, 2016, 9:14 #90956

    Anyone still holding out hopes for some 'top top qualitee' signings should take a look at Gazidis' latest comments. Apparently we are competing with clubs that have more money than us (haha) so we are looking at going the Leicester route and trawling the lower French divisions for the next Mahrez and Kante. If that's the case then they should be charging the same admission prices as Leicester instead of the most expensive tickets in world football. What happened to 'competing with Bayern Munich' then Ivan? The arseholes running our club only open their mouths to feed the fans more lies. More proof as if it were needed that our beloved football club has been turned into a bank. RIP Arsenal Football Club 1886-2006

  76. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 22, 2016, 9:01 #90955

    Good piece Alan - and we should compare our last 10 years youth development against a club like Southampton's, who seem to not only identify talent much better but nurture it in the correct manner. Morning Ron, hope you are having a great summer mate, nice point about Billy Wright, who without his youth development programme we would not have won the double in 1971. What we have now does not work in my opinion because there is no hunger to succeed in the club, so that of course tumbles down to all levels.

  77. Mark

    Jul 22, 2016, 8:32 #90954

    have we sold Theo yet?

  78. tony ward

    Jul 22, 2016, 8:23 #90953

    I have been banging on about this season after season. Since Le Boss took over the only home grown players (not ones we nicked from other clubs e.g. Bellerin)that have played first team football on a regular basis is Cole, Wilshere, and Gibbs. After 20 odd years is this really acceptable? I think this is appalling.

  79. Peter Wain

    Jul 22, 2016, 8:15 #90952

    Looks like Bellerin is off to City. What are we a feeder club for the north? Buy some players now Wenger.

  80. Snowbiggie

    Jul 22, 2016, 4:56 #90951

    What about the £100,000/£200,000 they actually throw at these kids to get them to Arsenal in the first place? How much does that add up to? There was a keeper a few years back who they gave £200,000 to get in, who they got rid of within a year.

  81. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 23:46 #90950

    So fat Sam was chosen over wenger, so the FA aren't so stupid and know what their doing after all.

  82. Hiccup

    Jul 21, 2016, 20:45 #90949

    Was really looking forward to the Russia World Cup in 2018. Holding leading the team out with vice captain Calum Chambers in tow and vice vice captain Carl Jenkinson shouting words of encouragement in the tunnel. I'm just a bit concerned now with Fat Sam's appointment as manager, and his hatred of Wenger and Arsenal. If these guys don't make the international grade, it will be down to Sam's personal agenda and not talent.

  83. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 19:58 #90948

    Hiccup, as usual they don't say when, think of all the fun we're going to have (like all the other second third rate failures down the years )waiting for him to come good.

  84. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 21, 2016, 19:51 #90947

    How dare Fat Sam have the temerity to take the England job from under the nose of The Wengmeister - did the Weng take too long conducting his assessment of the job as is the case with his carefully planned transfer strategies? Any way England's gain is Arsenal's loss. Hang on, have I got this old cliche quite right? Anyway it's bugger, bugger, bugger!!!

  85. Daryn

    Jul 21, 2016, 19:47 #90946

    A friend lad Charlie Gilmore been with the Arsenal since seven sign his first pro contract been coach by Henry deverstated wenger got fid of him the young players looked up to him and was leaning so much but because he was out spoken about wenger he sacked him well done the boss no clue what so ever

  86. jjetplane

    Jul 21, 2016, 19:07 #90945

    On the nail Hiccup and the reason we lost the league to the cheating Foxes is because Arsenal were singled out for poor officiating due to the crusading journalism over at The Temple of Wordshipful Wengerites. The truth hurts and as far as I know we have never lost to Borehamwood on a level playing field? Newsflash Fatty Sam to make the giant Holding his new captain ..... Holding who stands (at the North Wall/Bank) at 9 ft in bare feet has no need of boots and with feet measuring at 3 foot the sponsors are stumped (cricket term) - Roll out those hazy lazy crazy friendlies of summer (whistle) ... la la la la la la la la alla la Oi!

  87. Hiccup

    Jul 21, 2016, 18:23 #90944

    Another unbalanced article. Until the Referee Review of this game is published, it's impossible to make any judgements. Even if this article was correct, the situation has been rectified with the imminent signing of the future Arsenal and England captain. Well done to Wenger and our scouting system.

  88. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 17:38 #90943

    Sunderland fans getting excited about fat Sams replacement, wouldn't it be great if it was wenger

  89. jeff wright

    Jul 21, 2016, 16:26 #90942

    there is rumor that City are on Bello's case waving big bucks at him and a better prospect of actually winning silverware.Fortunately the boy will obviously not be taken in by this with Wengo's plans about to go viral !

  90. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 16:06 #90941

    Rob, your spot on, nothing happens without TOF's say so, as I've already said it doesn't matter who we have they have to do it his way follow his orders to the letter, and i'm not for one minute suggesting they're great coaches, trainers, in their field far from it, just past it yes men (that's why their there) following orders, we all know where the problem lies and who's behind the demise of our once proud club, one man. wenger out now.

  91. Ron

    Jul 21, 2016, 16:03 #90940

    Theyve hardly produced any young players in his 20 yrs. His project youth years made the media (and many of our gullible fans) believe that Wengs was the dogs b o l l o x in creating good youngsters. He wasnt, he was playing at it and hes rubbish at it. Billy Wright blinds the old fraud in that dept. In his defence, in a Country where the schools barely play football and has no systematic framework to produce young players, they are thin on the ground everywhere in the UK hence nicking them from foreign Clubs academy's has become Wengs forte. Those that do exist are probably as bored with tip tap (screech when im tackled) tip tap toe as we are anyway and thus cant shine and show their true worth by playing the game properly. Not under this tiresome old regime.

  92. Bard

    Jul 21, 2016, 15:17 #90939

    Alan a really interesting article and raises some fundamental questions. I wrote previously that in Wengers 20 years at the club he has only brought through 3 players ( pre 16 yo), Cashley, Gibbs and Jack. This nails the myth that he produces a lot of home grown talent. The second point is that the break throughs made by Bellerin and the Coq were more a result of accident than design. In other words if we hadnt of had some many injuries these two may well have gone the same way as the players you mention. This would indicate as you suggest that the system is flawed to say the very least. How many players have been dispensed with who might have been as good as Bellerin and furthermore it raises any number of questions about the competency of those in charge. As a foot note if my memory serves me rightly Wenger announced at the beginning of the season that Alex Iwobi wasnt ready for 1st team football !! But hey I havent worked a day in football

  93. Paul Ward

    Jul 21, 2016, 14:51 #90938

    In the absence of any consistent development of our own young talent our great leader seems to have resorted to buying overpriced youngsters from other clubs, and then overseeing their careers going into reverse, chambers and Jenkinson being prime examples. Still at least if young Holding signs he ll have someone to talk to on the bench for the next 3 years!

  94. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 14:51 #90937

    It would come as no surprise whatsoever that the so called young guns were worse (you just have to look at the first team) proof again (if any was needed)that TOF can'tnever could spot talent, it was left to others and then he took the credit, now with nobody decent doing it for him and left to his own devices he's been caught/found out (again)and any that does manage to make it or slip through he has ruined/ruins. No it doesn't matter who our personal are nothing will change until the biggest change in personal of all takes place, an old past it manager who has been masquerading and bumbling about as a member of the management for ten years to long now.

  95. jeff wright

    Jul 21, 2016, 14:11 #90936

    It's noticeable that the youth team plays in exactly the same way tactically that the first team does.Inspector Clueless's finger-prints are all over it all.Chelsea under new manager Conte are getting in some preseason game time for their first team players while our ones such as Rambo recovering from playing 3 games for Wales in their ' victory' at the Euros bore-fest are sunning themselves on holiday - secure in the knowledge that no one at AFC existing in Wengo's comfy zone of buckets of dosh for all - actually expects - or demands - that they have to win anything this season. You couldn't make it up.

  96. mbg

    Jul 21, 2016, 14:09 #90935

    Your spot on with your heading there Alan, but of course there are those who would try and tell us it's never been brighter, and of course those who believe it just lap it up and even get a tan of it, more fool them.

  97. goonersol

    Jul 21, 2016, 13:51 #90934

    When the main man is not upto the job, what chance is there for the rest .......I love Arsenal Football club, never want them to lose, and that is who I care about,( I dont give a hoot about Wenger), but while Wenger is at the helm , Arsenal will Rust....another Giroudhog season awaits.

  98. Rob

    Jul 21, 2016, 13:33 #90933

    Thanks Alan. Like many, I take little notice of the youth set up beyond checking the occasional score. Two of your points really stand out and say it all :- "These aren’t punts, they’re costly experiments that are mostly going wrong." And :- "Something must be wrong – the initial scouting and selection OR the development – maybe a mixture of the two." Of course none of this happens without the sainted Messiah box ticking it, so we don't have to look too far for the real reason for our continued ineptitude - do we ?

  99. Tony Evans

    Jul 21, 2016, 13:14 #90932

    I don't take much interest in the youth teams (it's bad enough trying to sustain a genuine interest in the first team) but I am not surprised by any of this article. With the exception of Iwobi we have produced nothing in the way of home-grown talent for ages (or none that have been given a proper chance anyway). Wilshire has gone backwards, that's when he's not injured, and the myth that Wenger spots and nurtures young talent has well and truly been blown apart.

  100. GoonerNoa

    Jul 21, 2016, 12:10 #90931

    Wellingtons arsenal career was over before it even began. He thought he'd made it when he got to arsenal, and stopped giving a **** thereafter. Rumours are in preseason when he first signed he was so unfit, Wenger had to put him up against the IT guy in the sprint drills. The IT guy won.

  101. John A

    Jul 21, 2016, 11:59 #90930

    Totally agree. I watched all the televised Rangers games last season to see if Zalalem was developing. He looked extremely average with any decent work 40 yards or more from goal. If he is the future we are in trouble. The recruitment of youth seems more like pot luck than proper assessment by qualified coaches.

  102. Peter Wain

    Jul 21, 2016, 11:52 #90929

    Sadly this article is systematic of the demise of a great club. Poor coaching occurs in all levels and nothing is done about it. Mainly because the absentee owners care only for his management fee and has no interest in the success of the club. Still another day and still no transfer movement it looks like 1 is enough for OGL. If Kos gets injured its Mertersacker and Gabriel and if Giroud is crocked it is Chuba Akpom. You can understand the highest season ticket prices in the world. Wenger out now.