All Too Predictable

Online Ed: Arsenal start season with a home defeat… again



All Too Predictable


It shouldn’t have surprised anyone really. Arsenal have been at home in their first fixture for the last four seasons and lost three of them. In between defeats to Villa in 2013 and West Ham in 2015, they managed to beat Crystal Palace 2-1, but the trend leans towards the suggestion that the squad are habitually not as prepared as others for the start of the season.

The three points dropped yesterday won’t be hugely significant in terms of any title challenge. With the changes at the top clubs and the new players they are strengthening with, Arsenal are not going to play any part in the title race this season. It could prove significant in whether or not, in what many hope will be Arsene Wenger’s final season, he ends on a low point by failing to get the club into the Champions League for the first time since the end of the 1996-97 season. It would be in no way comparable with Forest getting relegated in Brian Clough’s retirement campaign, although there will be a good number of Gooners that choose alcohol to numb the pain of another wasted year. The club will laud the manager (as they hopefully bid him farewell) for the achievement of qualifying for 19 consecutive years quietly forgetting that he failed to win the damn thing once and only made the last four on two occasions. A shocking record in the competition itself.

When Per Mertesacker was injured in pre-season there was plenty of time to buy cover. Even without Gabriel’s injury, a more savvy manager would have thought, ‘I can’t risk getting through half the season with only two established centre backs, I need a third.’ As it is, after yesterday, Wenger will end up paying the price for Valencia’s Shkodran Mustafi that he could have got him for long before the weekend. Another valid question is why other players who turned out for France in the European Championship final were on active duty over the weekend (Bacary Sagna specifically) whereas Laurent Koscielny could not have been match ready – once again, especially after the injury to Mertesacker.

Wenger gambled yesterday by playing Chambers and Holding. More of a mystery is why he left Granit Xhaka – who has played a significant enough part in pre-season training – on the bench when surely he is a better defensive midfielder than either Coquelin and Elneny. These issues were compounded by Iwobi and Walcott not being up to the job of protecting their full backs. Loathe as I am to promote the idea of Aaron Ramsey being used as a wide attacker, for this game only, the manager might have considered playing him and Joel Campbell wide – players who will at least try a bit harder in the defensive element of the game – and start Cazorla in the Ozil position.

Defensively, the team did okay in the first half, and got away with a couple of moments (and the free kick that led to Liverpool’s equalizer was harsh), but after the interval they were a shambles at the back.

In attack, it is difficult to argue with three goals, all very different. However, at times there seemed a tendency to look for Alexis with high balls from deep which seemed a rather daft tactic, given the two much taller centre backs that were marking him. Alexis had a quiet game overall, but at least his colleagues compensated when it came to putting the ball in the net. And three goals should be enough to win any game.

Conceding four though, is worrying. The fact that the selection of two fairly raw defenders in the centre was not the sole cause of the problems flags up the reality that, even when Koscielny and Mustafi line up at the back, the opposition will create numerous chances. Arsenal do not prevent crosses or players attacking from wide because their attacking wide players switch off, leaving full backs exposed and centre backs dragged out of position.

Liverpool took the three points but the signs are that Jurgen Klopp still has work to do to make them the kind of team who can challenge for the Premier League. However, this season, with no European distractions, he will have the time to do that and his side might begin to resemble the real deal a bit more than they did yesterday. Having said that, they still had enough to beat Arsenal.

I must confess I was unperturbed by the defeat. It’s not as if there is anything really at stake this season. I wrote a few months ago that I have stopped caring deeply about the team’s results, and that I am simply marking time until something at the club changes. 2017-18 could be an exciting season for Arsenal if only because it will be unpredictable. The only unpredictable thing about the club these days is which Arsenal will turn up on any given day, but the overall inconsistency is entirely predictable. Wenger’s players are good enough to win enough matches to keep hopes of a top four place alive and if they fail, it will be by a small margin. Whether that floats your boat or not is a matter of personal preference, and it must be acknowledged that there are a large number of Arsenal fans who are perfectly happy with the lack of ambition at the club. I don’t understand that, but there you go.

The best thing to do now, with two more weeks to go until the close of the transfer window, would be to say to the manager – you haven’t prepared properly for the start of the season, we can see how this is going to go, now on your bike. Then get someone like a Pellegrini in to steady the ship for the immediate campaign. The man at least knows how to lead a team to a title, of how to get the best out of a group of players. The simple fact of change and a freshening up of activity at the training ground would get a response from players who are evidently unmotivated by the same old same old they are operating under now. Of course that isn’t going to happen.

Wenger has served the club well, but history has shown us that his time was actually up after the 2007-08 season, or a year later if you are being generous. His teams since the stadium move have lacked ‘the right stuff’ and it’s an ingredient he has been unwilling to add via the transfer market or a shake-up in his coaching staff. Anyway, nine more months of this with the hope that next summer, we can all, finally, move on.

I am on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. UTU

    Aug 17, 2016, 10:00 #91853

    Bang On Kevin. All been said before its just a complete shambles now. No postitive change will happen over The Arsenal untill the club stops making a profit.

  2. Bonzo

    Aug 16, 2016, 11:45 #91805

    Leekey - I realise you have been, how shall I put this experimenting with Jamerson. I think you are feeling confused and maybe abused? To help you I can find you a nice young lady called Miss Mandy Dodd who writes on Untold. She also always refers to him as Mr Wenger and also regularly mentions Mr Kroenke. It does appear that she is very well mannered and any previous comments or accusations of her being ravenous and being the love interest of Walter Broekx are simply malicious rumours. Would you like her number?

  3. mbg

    Aug 16, 2016, 11:43 #91804

    SKG, good post, like I've said on numerous occasions (along with others) wenger ruins players destroys them, especially young ones and we've seen even more proof of that with Holding, unfortunately they know no better and are very poorly advised, then any potential they had is coached out of them, their institutionalised and their loyalty bought then it's too late, not the older ones though they get out, or as is the case now turn us down (vardy and others)and steer well clear and can you blame them ? with a past it manager stuck in a time warp like we have they're just bloody right. wenger out tonight.

  4. GoonerGoal!

    Aug 16, 2016, 11:40 #91803

    “Déjà Vu” We have all been here before; we have all been here before… We have all been here before; we have all been here before… We have all been here before; we have all been here before… WENGER OUT! GAZIDIS OUT! KROENKE OUT! VIV LA REVOLUTION!

  5. Ron

    Aug 16, 2016, 10:49 #91797

    Never mind Arsenal as theyre a lost cause. I want to now why Kante was playing for Chelsea last night and not only that but why was he allowed to run, hassle, tackle and chase opponents? Football has become immoral allowing this inhumane treatment of vulnerable souls. He was working in June and beyond and needed to be resting and recovering from his travails. No man should be made to work like that. Its pure unadulterated Victorian abuse of the working class revisited and for the pittance he earns, its ....well ... an outrage.

  6. mbg

    Aug 16, 2016, 10:49 #91796

    Reg, and i'm sure the first thing we'll be told from the first one of them wheeled out this morning (no doubt that useless mouth piece wally)will be the tired well used old spin/lie we will put it right on the training ground and we have learned from this/it. Will they fook on both counts, how many times have we heard that crap ? They and TOF leading them will just carry on regardless until the next time, and as we all know there will be one and it's just around the corner. wenger out today.

  7. KC

    Aug 16, 2016, 10:18 #91795

    I understand I should laugh at the managers refusal to buy quality defenders, steponovs, cygan, djourou, senderos, eboue, grimandi, plus Gk almunia. Sadly added to his refusal to work at this aspect of the game and his refusal to play an athletic holding midfielder means we can never really compete for the top prizes. We should have bought Kante not xhaki. What staggers me is the fee he paid for xhaki good player but not worth 30 mill plus! He will never change and I should accept it but I support this club and it really angers me that once again we start like a car crash and are now humiliated by Liverpool, So here we have it, as city, Utd, CFC, grow we are now looking like a club falling behind the spuds, Liverpool and a couple of others. The football is stale, defending incompetent, transfers a joke, crowd at war and me a depressed fan still fuming at this business called Arsenal.

  8. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 16, 2016, 10:10 #91794

    What happens to this PLC called Arsenal no longer concerns me but I think what has happened to young Holding is a shameful act of cowardice - "thrown under a bus" is the best description I have read about this young man's PL debut. Without any experience around him, with no voice on the pitch to help him and no plan to follow when under pressure, he was just left, as so many players are in this team, to work it out for himself. I do hope he leaves us very soon and meets up with a good coach (there are many good ones in the lower leagues) and can build his career based on solid defensive principles that allow him to enjoy football for the next 10 15 years. If he stays at Arsenal under the current set up it will ruin his chances of becoming a good stopper (just look at Chambers!) I thought the 8-2 at OT was the lowest point in Arsenal's history, however this season, with this squad and the total lack of pre season preparation and the low player morale, I can seriously see a defeat by double figures being a real possibility.

  9. Bob

    Aug 16, 2016, 10:00 #91793

    Apparently Chelsea are about to hijack the Mustafi transfer, because the dithering old fool hasn't tabled an offer yet http://www.theweek.co.uk/arsenal-transfer-news/69162/arsenal-transfer-news-shkodran-mustafi-close-alexis-sanchez-swap-deal

  10. Bard

    Aug 16, 2016, 9:17 #91792

    I have some good news to lighten the load of distressed gooners. I hear through the grapevine that Kim Kallstroom is available on a free. He is not quite ready as he has just had a hip replacement but he's good to go about Dec 2017. I also read that Dick law is having his proverbials squeezed by Valencia over the transfer fee for Mustapha Centreback. Shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

  11. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 16, 2016, 7:51 #91791

    Tony Attwood on Untold is going into meltdown after his "I'm not bothered we lost article" First thing I spotted are that attacks on Wenger are getting 4 times as many likes as the pro Wenger love notes ( we seem to be in that 80/20 stat on social media again) next as you read down you see an increasingly irritated Tony threatening to tighten up his moderating which is creating even more backlash. I note that Tony uses moderator rules to censor dissent, the very rules he decided to create. I wonder if his site will remain viable as the Anti Wenger backlash continues. You should note that Tony is more concerned about the state of the roads than Arsenal losing. This from a so called no1# fan who dishes it out. What a snivelling hypocrite.

  12. Reg

    Aug 16, 2016, 6:31 #91790

    Mbg - Don't worry I'm sure the captain will call a meeting. Oops he's on the extra long sun bed with his knee up! What a farce!

  13. Roy

    Aug 16, 2016, 1:47 #91789

    JM London - You are absolutely spot on mate, no honour or principles. All of the terrible trio are in it together, and I won't be going anywhere near the place until at least one of them f***s off. Maximum profit from minimum outlay is their goal with the big trophies not a priority. A couple of FA Cup wins when they suddenly decided to prioritise it when the pressure cranked up after so long without a trophy has enabled them to carry on their charade a bit longer. In effect, it earned them a bit more breathing space and in hindsight was the worst thing that could have happened. Worst of all they've mugged off the fans with their lies about competing with the elite after the stadium move whilst still charging elite prices. Disgraceful, but at least the penny is dropping with more and more people all the time and hopefully it will eventually force change. Wenger sold his soul and then has hung on too long past his best, but that was what was supposed to happen as long as they could all get away with it. Well they've all been rumbled and need to f**k off out of our club. Quite frankly, the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

  14. mbg

    Aug 16, 2016, 0:59 #91788

    And you know what has been happening at London Colney all day ? (that's if they hadn't the day off) absolutely fooking nothing, yes that's right nothing, TOF will not have them in looking and studying where they/he went wrong or out on the training pitch even trying to put it right, hell no not a fooking chance his arrogance and ego doesn't allow that as the deluded old fool thinks it's not his fault and he's done nothing wrong, he has had the team out just like he will have tomorrow the next day and the day after that and after every other defeat, embarrassment, humiliation that is coming our way practicing, doing everything exactly the same as he always has over the years with no regards to anyone or anything hoping it will come good, and we all know it, f*****g sad or what, this excuse for a manager has to be got rid off. we want wenger out we want wenger out.

  15. mbg

    Aug 16, 2016, 0:08 #91787

    TOF wasn't the only one squirming in his seat did you see Koscielny watching from the stands ? when the camera paned in he didn't know what way to look (just like his defending)even he was embarrassed I thought he was going to burst out laughing. wenger out out out.

  16. JM - London

    Aug 15, 2016, 23:35 #91786

    I just can't defend the man anymore. If he was that honourable and principled he would by now have resigned and publicly stuck the knife into the owners and board in a thanks for ****all support statement. After last seasons protests and empty seats towards the end I really thought the penny may have dropped, but no. I spoke in the pub on Sunday that he would get 60 minutes and I wasn't wrong. It's all their own doing so I would say to the board and the manager, owner etc - don't bring your family to the ground as the abuse aimed at you won't be nice atall, not from me, but plenty around me. Of course we may sign Griezman next week in a deal for Ozil + 30 million or so, and we get can smugly tell how he was sworn to secrecy all summer. But I don't think so no. My mate was at Saints at the weekend, £18 for a ticket, free beer on arrival, a free ice cream at half time and shirts being thrown into the crowd. What did we get for £86, a free programme...

  17. Tom from St Albans

    Aug 15, 2016, 23:25 #91785

    Watched it in my mates shed, glad I didn't go and im sure you are happy you didn't invest in that ST Mark from Aylesbury. I just had to Google who the Arsenal captain was (Cech) as there was zero leadership in red and white yesterday, how sad. I was pleased for Theo when he scored as I thought it was a neat little finish BUT that penalty was poor. I don't think Cech would have let 4 in? inside 90 mins at Chelsea in his prime. He ain't bad but he is a short term solution to a long term problem, who remembers Sylvestre? I couldn't stop laughing when Xhaka came on looking like he'd dipped his head in a bucket of grease. He probably wouldn't make a bad captain after watching him in France in the summer but if he was my captain giving me a team talk, I'd just burst out laughing thinking: Mate you look like a twat. Poor poor poor. I was hearing AW in my head 5 mins to go...we scored 3 great goals.....err we lost. The love has gone. The pride has gone. The leadership has gone. All too predictable like you say Kevin. Board re-shuffle is needed.

  18. Paul Ward

    Aug 15, 2016, 22:15 #91784

    Agree with Leek, next time we go 4-1 down at home , don't stop chanting "spend some f----g money " because of a couple of consolation goals.Spectator unrest can make a difference, and may even hasten Wengers departure . Can start a bit earlier at the next match as its only Southampton,maybe when they go two up .wenger out.

  19. Hiccup

    Aug 15, 2016, 22:10 #91783

    Can't believe West Ham lost tonight. With their Europa qualifying games would have thought they'd be better prepared than Chelsea? Or does that only apply if you play Arsenal?

  20. 80's Gooner

    Aug 15, 2016, 22:08 #91782

    To quote the words of my fellow Gooner John Lydon 'Do you ever get the feeling that you've been cheated

  21. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 15, 2016, 22:06 #91781

    Leekey - getting all tough guy on us now? This from the man who won't even admit who he tipped for the title. We are quite happy to protest and you may have just noticed that social media is virtually all anti Wenger. Was it like this previously? No of course not so we are doing our work and this is also now influencing main stream media so leaving Wenger friendless. His time is nearly up, old age is also doing for him. He even looks old and out of touch. It's only going to get worse. I note you've not down your usual Grandma must stay. Under your bombast is fear real fear that his empire is collapsing.

  22. Leek fc

    Aug 15, 2016, 21:43 #91780

    Lots of talk on here yet little doing. So Kevin has given up on this season already. Fickle to say the least. If you don't agree with the way the club is going then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Complaining on this website gets you nowhere. Sit down shut up.

  23. Paul Ward

    Aug 15, 2016, 21:34 #91779

    Think the posts above say it all really, my personal view is that he'll go at the end of this season regardless of results, I certainly hope so.Is anybody else wondering why the hell he's given the captaincy to Mertesacker when he is both injured and not a certain starter? Very strange. Also given the clubs hopeless record on signing players recently, are we all wondering how the hopeless board are going to recruit a new manager when the time comes?

  24. jjetplane

    Aug 15, 2016, 21:01 #91778

    Auto ban from Untold because Mr Atwood is feeling overwhelmed that his site is in terminal meltdown. Least he has a new friend in Montreal Lol! Some WoB legend on there Rob has been bossing the site and what bets for a WoB coup! Too funny by half!

  25. Paulo75

    Aug 15, 2016, 20:35 #91777

    Failure to recognise the deficiencies in the squad, failure to act decisively in the transfer market, failure to dispense with players who have continually let down the club. Certainly not the ingredients of a successful season .. AGAIN!

  26. Brighton Gooner

    Aug 15, 2016, 20:05 #91776

    Some excellent posts on here! How is it that such a wealthy and well supported club, the biggest in London, can we so ill prepared to start the season? Be honest, how many of us sat there when the teams were announced, just hoping we might get through without being embarrassed by Liverpool. What a total shambles! No defence, no striker, half of our best players sitting in the stands and still no sign of a signing! We are the laughing stock of the league and yet still TOF sits there looking stunned and doing nothing. His post match interviews have become so embarrassing that I just cringe. For God's JUST GO NOW

  27. Petrovic

    Aug 15, 2016, 19:58 #91775

    Groundhog season!

  28. Hiccup

    Aug 15, 2016, 19:47 #91774

    Hi berry, yes I remember that line being hammered home on here last year that West Ham were better prepared because they'd stuffed a couple of teams from Latvia and the Vatican in Europa qualifiers. My favourite excuse though, still has to be Wenger can't buy until we had negotiated the CL qualifier as players won't come until they're ensured CL football. Just another example of 'evidence' that the AKB's have been talking ****.

  29. Cyril

    Aug 15, 2016, 19:30 #91773

    The truth is that when they went 4 1 up, there was not really a massive appetite for Wenger out chant. In reality, I really am unsure at what point the stadium could or would turn. They can't muster up a song and that includes me right now. I am reasonably near the away fans and so get some warped feeling of being a footy match listening to the oppo sing a few songs. Ladies and Gentlemen it is OVER. Well for now anyway. To put it into perspective, I have sat next to a family of 3 for nearly ten years and her dad died and now her Ma is having chemo right, so she is the only one left. Can I muster up a chant right now, what do you think. FFS , ARSENAL, grow a pair and do the right thing. We have supported you with our money every year , paying the highest prices. Boy, should you be ashamed. Never mind, worst things happen at sea etc !!

  30. jjetplane

    Aug 15, 2016, 19:05 #91772

    I like old Kloppie's style and is very apt for the PL. Conte and JM and of course Pep are well worth a watch too and this is the game at the top now with lots of theatrics. Fergie and Cloughie were pretty good at it too and Pogba is fascinating and that is just watching him warm up. Thought that Mane celebration was great fun and Klopp is no poser as he is at it most weeks. Liverpool are better than some people think and Mane and Kante fot Chelsea are the buys of the season. Granite by contrast is exactly that - soft and soon to be crumbling ..... Tonight should be a game with the two giants of London battling for a brag. Throw in the Totts and the 'times they are a changing' ... Great scenes over at Untold with WObs storming the walls and finding little in the way. The centre cannot hold ...

  31. BigDavetheGooner

    Aug 15, 2016, 19:05 #91771

    What an absolute diabolical shambles this once great football club has become. Not physically ready yet for the season to start,maybe that's partly due to the fact these over rated over paid superstars are being flown half way across the world to make "the brand" bigger and more appealing to our American friends. The sceptic in me sees even more riches being made due to our Japenese signing,will he make any appearances?? Of course he will,silent Stan will make sure of that,he's got a brand to sell and millions of shirts that go with it,he's got cash to make!!!!!! Yesterday's game was a complete farce,the contradictions by Wenger is alarming,the players were not ready is an embarrassing excuse to use,the Ox was ready,Cazorla was ready, Joel Campbell was ready Ramsey was clearly not and each one was on the bench.Any one of those three could have started and the formation could have been switched accordingly. It's sheer arrogance,stubbornness and down right ineptitude on the managers part and it's about time he was taken to task over this because it's simply not acceptable. Could you imagine if any of our Olympians went to the olympics and were not prepared for their event?? Their coach would be sacked on the spot and struck off,but not our illustrious leader because he rules the roost while Kroenke rakes in the cash week in week out and while Wenger puffs and bluffs his way with inexcusable excuses he ain't going nowhere.

  32. mbg

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:45 #91770

    jj, yes I wonder how they all are and feeling on Walton's mountain as things didn't go according to plan, you can just imagine all the AKB posts all typed out, finger on button ready to go yesterday only to be quickly deleted, maybe the pass is still closed, lol.

  33. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:41 #91769

    ManUTDkiller- you're not wrong and it would take some personal bravery as you never know if some idiot will try and clump you one. Personally it looks like last year a fair percentage lifters up their protest banners but there simply weren't enough of them. Should have been 3 x's as many posters. 2nd thing was the protest was a bit telegramed so it gave forward warning to some elements. The key thing is are the conditions still in place for protest and the answer has to be yes. 2nd thing is will protest come naturally out of a poor result at home. Highly likely. Will the aways kick off in the event of an embarrassing defeat. Most probably. So yes in many ways you are right but at the same time conditions are brewing for a further showdown. Last years protest was a bit Michael Gove, this years needs to be a bit more Theresa May. Apologies for the political comparison

  34. Man United Killer

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:26 #91768

    A lot of typing on here.But I wonder how many would actually participate in 'peaceful' protests at the Emirates.One thing we Arsenal fans are good at..talking!

  35. John F

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:22 #91767

    .The only way to get through this season without ranting at the Telly with a hankie on your head and two pencils stuffed up your nose is to play the Wenger drinking game during his post match interviews.Line up your tots of whiskey and wait for the words "mental spirit,little bit unlucky,better team in the first half and he will be out for a little while"and you too could be full of the Wenger spirit in no time.Just in case keep a bottle of champagne for if he mutters the immortal words "I have taken the team as far as I can and it is time for a new,younger tactically awar manager who is not a tight arse to take over.I read Mgds post match comments yesterday and I have to agree goodbye".Ok it might gather a bit of dust and maybe even for two extra years but what is life without hope.

  36. Hi Berry

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:21 #91766

    My memory may not be what it once was but wasn't a variation on the same excuse trotted out last year after the opening day defeat by West Ham. That day WHU were better prepared then us because they had played a Europa League qualifier against a team of no-hopers from some european backwater and so were competition ready - unlike us. Sad to see that so many posts on here all echo the same view that most of us have a take it or leave it attitude to results these days having had that youthful anticipation of a forthcoming game ground down to just a passing interest over the past ten years. Personally I think the club we knew as boys died when it left Highbury and although players in red and white shirts with a cannon facing the wrong way trot out onto the pitch at the new stadium it looks and feels more like an American franchise now. I don't know why they don't go the whole hog and just re-name the club Emirates United or Ashburton Grove Athletic.

  37. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:19 #91765

    MBG - completely agree spend some money let's him entirely off the hook. The continual lack of prep, the nice cushy tv roles he does over summer. The same old stuff over and over not moving one inch outside of his comfort zone. Whilst we are saddled by this monstrous ego. As he whines he has nothing outside football

  38. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:05 #91763

    I'm afraid to say it as I am always concerned that the structural core of Arsenal should exist even if the mangerial head rots. But yesterday's 3-4 covers up and provides succour to the fools (AKB's) you can read the imbeciles half of them based at least 6 hours flight away going on about what a great game it was on Untold. Better to have lost 1-4 and see him completely exposed. At least every paper is now showing at least one perplexed "what is he up to" story and John Cross in the Mirror finally appears to be putting him on probation. Better a nasty defeat at Leicester followed by trauma at home to Watford and then finally we might get people wake up and give what he deserves. I expect a large number of people who booed the protest are getting all stressed. Well happily you can have your boo fest at the right target when it finally, finally dawns on you what a shallow old fraud the man has become.

  39. mbg

    Aug 15, 2016, 18:01 #91762

    This spend some f*****g money chant, a complete and utter waste of time, please stop it immediately simply because it lets TOF think it's ok as long as he spends and we're happy enough to let him spend it, are we fook, we most certainly are not, he doesn't/wouldn't know what to do with it, and if he does spend any they'll be second third raters no better than we have, we want the waster out of the club and nowhere near our money. go now you fraud.

  40. Dartford gooner

    Aug 15, 2016, 17:59 #91761

    My team was not ready and I don't know when they will be ready.Well who's faults that. Why can't he for once in his life put up his hands and say I cocked up big time. Klopp changed tactics in the second half and we just carried on playing the same way.I sat there and could see we were being overrun in midfield but wenger and bould just sat there spell bound. Yes maybe Klopp goes over the top when his team scores but at least he gets off his arse and shows some enthusiasm .our two look like they been embalmed. How much longer do we have to put up with nightmare.

  41. goonersol

    Aug 15, 2016, 17:52 #91760

    When positional play is poor, the manager would stand in the Tec area and shout his commands, and make changes, when did you last see our waste of space do that, he just sits on his hands and blames, refs, fans, media, Bouldy and uncle Tom Cobbley, he never looks at himself, otherwise he would have resigned by now..... "Clueless at the Emirates", coming to a cinema near you, as it is re-released every year due to demand by AKB's......Wenger Out.

  42. Torbay gooner

    Aug 15, 2016, 17:45 #91759

    Wenger and the board are continuing to shame and embarrass this club. How much longer do we have to put with this charade?

  43. Peter Wain

    Aug 15, 2016, 17:33 #91758

    the positional play of our full backs has always been poor. Too often they are caught up the pitch and rarely do they get any protection for those in front. Quite why you spend £30 million plus for a bench warmer is a strange one and quite why with the injury situation you do not immediately buy two centre backs is stange. Wengers arrogance I suppose. Up front we were toothless and if Lacacette is the answer he should have been bought months ago. Whether a player who cannot get into the French squad is the answer is a moot point but with our mis management of the transfer window again in evidence who else can we buy. And buy whether the manager likes or not we must. Return to the Emirates with a loss at Leicester a point at Watford and no new players is unthinkable and would make the pressure on the players immense. Wenger out now.

  44. mbg

    Aug 15, 2016, 17:31 #91757

    So the Dinosaur wasn't ready and has admitted it (another sackable offence at any other club) now there's a first but no doubt it's someone else's fault, well it's your f*****g fault you waste of space, go now you useless fraud your not fit for purpose. wenger out tonight.

  45. Hiccup

    Aug 15, 2016, 17:27 #91756

    It's hard to put my finger on what went wrong yesterday. After the 8-0 win against FC Viking, I thought this season was going to be different? And then the win over City had me really believing! Ah well... Red Member, border patrols are being erected over on Untold, as the amount of dissent with lack of evidence has got out of hand. Their Jamie Vardy correspondent has been given the task of plugging detrimental posts which are of an upsetting nature to the regulars. It's all hands to the pump over there. Can't wait for the Ref Review....

  46. Augustus Flair

    Aug 15, 2016, 16:23 #91755

    Yep, we've had a fair sample of comments today that will be repeated for the next nine months or so. when we end up in our fourth or fifth place, having been knocked out in the CL first knock-out round; the League Cup by a Championship side after fielding our under-18s; and a "desperately unlucky" FA Cup quarter-final exit to West Ham (for which we had "no adequate preparation time". And there you have it, Gooners.

  47. ALsace

    Aug 15, 2016, 15:26 #91754

    Returning home after the game, I witnessed between 20.00 and 01.00 a parade of individuals performing to the best of their ability and professionalism and achieving an immense standard. I watched Justin Rose grind out 5 hours of work against a very dangerous opponent and come out on top. Andy Murray’s display was if anything much more impressive because of the sheer unyielding determination not to submit. They are a credit to themselves and to their country. Contrast this with the Arsenal Football Club. I was, fully expecting the defeat and it arrived despite the efforts of a few individuals to see what they could do. The matchday programme contained a full analysis of what Klopp would have in store for us. If the Manager had read it , it was not apparent from how he organised his team to deal with it. We were left stark naked – again. This season, Liverpool, Chelsea and both Manchester clubs are being run by proper modern professional managers. We will not be qualifying for the Champions League. We must, for the sake of our own sanity, find some means of enjoying what is put before us as this train wreck takes place. I enjoyed the goals yesterday and was able to do so because I have reconciled myself to the process. My loathing for the people who have done this to our club is ever present during the season. I like to think what Dennis and Leslie Compton would do to them given a dark alley and a Cricket Bat. But mostly I like to think that what those gentlemen, and so other great Arsenal Players and managers of the past, would say about the current pathetic supine regime. They would say it was not Arsenal and they would be right.

  48. AJH

    Aug 15, 2016, 14:24 #91753

    'We weren't physically ready ' What? was this game suddenly thrown at him with 48 hours notice? That comment just sums him up and is why he should go. Koscielney should have been told he is playing regardless of his so called fatigue.

  49. Humphrey Leek

    Aug 15, 2016, 14:06 #91752

    Mr Wenger, don't listen to them Mr Wenger, with their modern ways and their lack of etiquette. I Bet none of them tip their hat at a Lady. No exactly! It's perfectly right for you to say they are not ready and you deserve the small sum that Mr Kronke and Mr Gazidis pay you. Don't listen to this endless 12 year drone, it's your club and you do what you wish. I will follow you forever!

  50. AugustusCaesar

    Aug 15, 2016, 14:06 #91751

    I think it's unforgivable not to have bought a central defender and a striker in the summer. These are the two key areas that need strengthening. Everyone knows it. This is irrespective of Euro 2016 involvement and injuries.

  51. goonersol

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:54 #91750

    Wenger = Shambles, if Wenger had any dignity left, when he leaves he must not take a Job "upstairs" , he must leave, Lock , Stock & Barrel, and take his memories with him. It was the best of times, now we have the worst of times ( a tale of two teams)...if it all goes pear shaped in the next few games, I think (hope) he will do the decent thing and resign , and for the regime to do the decent thing and start looking for a quality replacement NOW..

  52. Reg

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:47 #91749

    Just a thought, maybe if the players were actually fit and ready for the season they might be able to get through a game without injury!

  53. the yankee gooner

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:39 #91748

    Of course the club should have signed a first rate center back, or at least someone better than Gabriel, long ago. Of course the club should have signed a first rate striker, or at least someone better than Giroud, as well. Of course resting Koscielny and Ozil when they are fit is very questionable. But even with the players available yesterday, what in the world were Xhaka and Cazorla doing on the bench? Why was Walcott in the team, much less taking a pk? I fully expected an embarrassing defeat, but I at least expected some effort to win. When I saw the lineup Liverpool put on the pitch, I thought Arsenal had a chance. It was the same mediocre bunch they played last year, plus a so-so Mane and a decent upgrade over Skrtel. Then I saw the Gunners' starting XI, and I knew it was hopeless.

  54. mbg

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:30 #91747

    Bard, your right he should have been crucified but he got his comeuppance I the way that he hates the most the booing (for what it's worth) and the result he would have hated that we know, not because for the club of course, but for his ego, it would have taken a battering you can be sure of that (and that's always good) and for the embarrassment to be administered by one of these new to the prem young successful managers that everyone is talking about too that would have hurt his pride and ego, and for that we can be thankful. wenger out now.

  55. mbg

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:14 #91746

    What else did we expect Kevin ? it was never going to be any different just a continuation of last season and all the others with their humiliations and embarrassments, we all knew it, and any that didn't were/are just as deluded as their messiah. And that's the way it's going to be for the rest of the season nothing will change and any that think it will are deluded idiots and if they want to keep on supporting it/that thinking their great loyal supporters by doing so more fool them, they deserve wenger and everything deluded old fraud brings. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  56. DJ

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:07 #91745

    I fail to understand why he doesn’t plan for the season starting not the transfer window ending, is it just to save the club a few pounds? It reminds me of the trolley dash after we had been thrashed 8-2 at OT when if we are all honest is when Mr Wenger should have been relinquished of his duties. As has been mentioned so often another groundhog day season when we scrape fourth place and too many supporters we be celebrating it as a success. That is the greatest trick the devil every played getting people to believe fourth place is a trophy!

  57. KC

    Aug 15, 2016, 13:03 #91744

    Good read, the manager has drained me of enthusiasm for something I love, I really dislike him for that... This manager just does not get football without the ball. Season after season we have games where as a unit we go awol and concede for fun. The club has no trouble accepting the millions in TV money but has trouble spending it on football players funny that! Every season we are short, it's so painfully clear we have a board that are not interested in winning. It is simply a business to them. It's depressing, hard to accept that only finishing outside the top four will upset the toss... As a fan it's hard to want us to fail but top four means more of this ground hog crap. Wenger is a greedy man that has sold his soul to the dollar, I say that as someone that was a big fan, as I thought he took us away from the dinasour GG and his vile football. Sadly he has ruined his legacy and turned into Graham himself more interested in his own bank account and power than the team, fans and sport. New manager new owner new Ceo new direction, this club could be massive, a London power house football giant, sadly it's a money making machine for an American who probably has no clue of the off side rule,,,, So Fuc... Frustrated

  58. Rochey

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:52 #91743

    I'm starting to disconnect and not become p2ssed off at losing games anymore. I wonder how many other people feel the same. You could copy/paste all these comments from any of the previous yeaes. Even the pundits are bored with repeating themselves. If were not ready for a game then only one person is to blame. I must admit that i now hate the sight of wenger.

  59. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:44 #91742

    If that waster chamberlain hadn't scored when he did I really think we would have ended up losing by 6 or 7, and I bloody wish we had of done if only for the fact it might have hastened the departure of this lying, boring, monotonous prick of a manager. As you say kev so predictable, anyone with half a brain knows this is another season of the same old turgid ****. As for Liverpool, I couldn't agree more with Ron, the manager is a total twat with his touch line antics. They are hardly anything special, any half decent team in Europe could have done what they did to us yesterday, so predictable and devoid of defensive acumen and tactics we have become. Wenger, gazidis, kroenke out

  60. GTG

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:41 #91741

    I can see 2 posts here defending Wenger. As I said last season I would just love to see someone come on here and tell me why Wenger is the right man for this club. I genuinely want to see a defence for him because I can't understand how we even have a split in the fanbase anymore. After another failed summer, its crystal clear now to even the biggest AKB that the reason we don't buy what is required is down to Wenger. I've never felt so down on the club as I do now. They won't get a penny out of me this season. I feel sorry for the supporters club that I go with because I can see them losing out on money this year from others who feel like me.

  61. JER

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:39 #91740

    Apart from Sagna, Cedric Soares played for Portugal in the Euro final and he played for Southampton on SAturday. Pogba would have played for Manu but for suspension. You can bet your boots Kante will turn out for Chelsea tonight. German Emre Can came on as sub for Liverpool. Why couldn't Giroud have been on the bench yesterday, it was crying out for him to give 15 mins at the end. Now Wenger justifies his decisions by Ramsey's injury. Tosser!

  62. Jude

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:24 #91739

    Couldn’t give a monkey’s how long Ramsey is out. Despite being given every opportunity, he never has – and never will – fit into the team. And please, for you Ramsey apologists/supporters, spare me the excuses (e.g., he's knackered after the Euros, he runs his socks off, he never hides, and he had a horror injury in 2010). He’s massively overrated and injury prone. End of.

  63. GoonerRon

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:14 #91738

    @ jjetplane - oh I'm here, just too pissed off to write much at the moment.

  64. BW

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:13 #91737

    Nice summary, Kevin. Like you, the defeat barely registered on my radar, especially while Super Sunday was unfolding in Rio. When you look at the sheer effort, determination, dedication and courage that our Olympians put in to achieve a gold medal, it puts Theo's penalty miss into stark reality.

  65. goonersol

    Aug 15, 2016, 12:06 #91736

    "the teams not ready, don't know when they will be " what !! are you taking the P££S Wenger....Your not Ready, and haven't been for the last 10years...Yes , we played well 1996-2006(at a push)not quiet total football, but Wenger was lucky he had players with desire, but for 10yrs we have been treated like Mugs, things have to change, and the only way is WENGER/REGIME OUT, OUT, OUT ...

  66. Andreas

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:52 #91735

    I wasn't really surprised by the result but if this is to be wenger's last season at the board should just buy the three players we need to bed in, with Mustafi and Draxler, two of those three with any one of Icardi, Morata, or Lacazette. Either that or play with the 442 system which we had title success with with Ozil and Alexis playing in similar style to Bergkamp and Wright/Anelka/ Henry. We have some pretty serious talented players but if you're not gonna utilise that talent then you get the The Arsenal of the last 10 years.

  67. Website Editor

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:51 #91734

    Carl Rawlings - Does your interpretation of "total football" involve defence in any way? Just curious. Do you think we are watching total football from Arsenal these days? Total shambles, perhaps.

  68. chris dee

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:44 #91733

    In amongst the usual first game kick in the balls and optimism crushing that Arsenal are expert at,another thing the club has become the reigning world champs at,long term injuries. Ramsey and Iwobi we are told are out for 'a few weeks'. And we know what a 'few weeks' means in Arsenal speak. What a frigging way to start my holiday,thanks Arsene.

  69. Ron

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:42 #91732

    Cant agree on Liv'l or Klopp Bob. Their defence is worse than Arsenals and the middle isnt up too much. AFC made them look decent. Tye have Countinho though. When he plays well, they compete. As for Klopp, allowing his players to jump all over him is and looks pathetic. Over familiarity and its 'pop' management. He ought to see his optician too and buy some contact lenses if hes going to carry on playing silly arses on the touchline. His glasses flying off every week end makes him look a total dick. Hes having fun im sure but Liverpool are no further fwd or likely to win much than Arsenal are. The Liverpool loving media will spin it otherwise of course.

  70. Mark

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:42 #91731

    Characteristics of Wenger's Teams remain and will not Change. lack of ruthlessness to score / defend / see out / win a game. questionnable selections again and again. entertaining for the neutral / horrible for the Arsenal fans. complete lack of testosterone from the Team in line with the aging Manager. i fear this year Wenger will be given a proper harsh lesson

  71. Carl Rawlings

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:29 #91730

    If it wasn't for AW this country's football would still be in the dark ages,he brought total football to these Isles give the man the respect he deserves.

  72. Bob

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:26 #91729

    For any manager to admit as Wenger did in his zombie-like post-match interview that his players were not physically prepared for work is the most shocking indictment of his management. The Euros finished a full five weeks ago and even allowing for three weeks rest and recuperation he has had two weeks with the likes of Koshielny and Giroud - or at least, he should have done had he not been negligently over-indulgent with them. He should go now - no sentimental 20 year anniversary at the end of September. Pelligrini is a good shout for a stop-gap, but the man we should have had this time last year was on the opposite bench yesterday. He has not yet had time to turn Liverpool into a real force again, but he has got them to a European final, a domestic final, and made them clear top-four contenders. They are on an upward trajectory; Wenger's Arsenal are treading water and not only certain to be behind the two Manchester clubs but likely to be overtaken by Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and possibly even West Ham this season.

  73. MARK HARRISON

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:25 #91728

    YOU ARE AN IDIOT SIR, AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THE PLATFORM TO EXPRESS YOUR NEGATIVE, IMBECILIC VIEWS... REPLACE WENGER WITH PELLEGRINI??

  74. Ron

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:21 #91727

    Hi Kev. Agree with every word that you say other than to 'worry' about conceding 4. I personally wdt have been worried had we have conceded 8. The pathetic wet limp lettuce performance merited a thrashing didn't it, though Liverpool and that grinning oaf of a Coach aren't any great shakes either in my view. Lets face it, we ve done it before haven't we! As you say, its another nothing Season in prospect and nothing to play for really. Many think this way as you and i both well know and its very sad. Deep down i honestly think Wenger knows the reality of the situation (how could he not be?) and isnt really too comfortable with honouring his final contract by marking time to his departure. Soon may it come. His demeanour, body language and comments post match brought the Club shame and disrepute in my view. Disgraceful. Wenger out. Board out.

  75. jjetplane

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:18 #91726

    Bouldie did move his head in response to Arnold rocking so there is some life on the bench ..... Ox seems to be capable of doing some lovely things but like Iwobi, Sanchez, Ramsay, Bellerin how they would do under totally new management. Said it before that Wenger was found out a long time ago and his first few useless outings in the CL should have led to a new manager by 2004 and for the move. Whole thing is a complete hoodwink but as the more astute see, a CL qualification every season is a perfect Kroneke business model with Wenger as comical arch-villain supplying the running joke for the football world. Sort of Eddie Eagle and Stan is obviously a fan of classic slapstick and that is what this club has degraded too. Get away Iwobi now! On another note we beat Pagham and are living the 9th tier dream. Perspective Premier foodies, perspective .... Anyone heard from GooneRon, Leek, Mike? ....

  76. Gaz

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:17 #91725

    Kind of feeling we've been here before...

  77. Squatter Wenger

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:16 #91724

    Surely Sanchez and Ozil will now be running to their agents saying get me the fck outta here. Why the feck would such world class players want to stick around and put up with this zero ambition, zero class signings, shower of **** regime?

  78. Nick

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:12 #91723

    No shock or surprise at yesterday's result it was the culmination of yet another shocker of pre season ineptitude! The same old clichés from Wenger and Gazidis the same cynical use of rumour and speculation to boost st sales ! The club treats us as mugs ! It is a LIE to say we cannot compete it is a LIE to say there are no better players available than what we have ! It is a LIE for the club to say we have ambition the only ambition they have is to make more money by fleecing supporters ! After 58 years of being a gooner this "manager" and regime have finally worn me down I shall go no more untill said regime is gone ! I feel sad about it, the Arsenal have been a major part of my life but I refuse to be taken for a mug! I will still watch and hope from my armchair but I will not give this bunch of crooks another penny of my money ! Football in general has become corrupt and disingenuous but Arsenal were once a beacon of light through the murk now they are just another LEECH that takes and gives nothing back !I may not have worked half a day in football but given the resounces we have I'm sure I could have done no worse in preparing a team for the first game of a new season than the incumbent hello bells an Amazonion from an as yet undiscovered tribe deep in the rain forest could have done no worse !

  79. Time for change

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:07 #91722

    Arsenal unprepared and defensively naive? Never [!!]. Wenger, Kronke and Gazidis out.

  80. Mathew

    Aug 15, 2016, 11:03 #91721

    Oh Kevin, never thought you or me would give up on this season so soon. "We were not ready for game against Liverpool... and I don't know when we will be ready" ….lol…we continue to be the joker in the pack. I think we can still make up by getting rid of some deadwood like Walcott and recruiting Chicharito upfront, Mahrez on the wings and Mustafi to partner with Kos. Thats ofcourse if we pay what they ask for, Wenger missed the oppurtunity and teams wont sell cheap anymore.

  81. Red Member

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:59 #91720

    ha ha I have just been banned from Untold Arsenal again this morning - a site which appears to be in meltdown. Good to see

  82. Cyril

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:52 #91719

    I was at the game and when the 4th went in, the crowd really turned. I sit in the east stand and people started getting up and walking out near me. Effing and jeffing as you can imagine. I could see others in the ground walking out. A few fans stood up and Wenger out chants heard. Most of us were just stunned. We were being ripped apart on the counter for about 20 mins and they should of scored a minute earlier. So easily could have been 5 1 down after 63 mins. The Ox goal could not of come quick enough one minute later.You can't trust me on that. If it hadn't of come, the feeling where I was, was that we would have seen for the first time since I have been watching Wenger's team a real Wenger out chant. It was mixed in with 'spend some effing money' , which is less a threat by the fans. It's sad sad times. We spent the rest of the game gripped as we nearly could have got a point . The only reason was that pool sat back after scoring 4. They could have scored when they wanted. I hope Arsenal board or support team read this stuff as this thing could go off like a firework and there will be a lot for it to turn back. I'm not sure if any Arsenal fans turned back when Ox scored. I used to go bonkers but I just feel deeply saddened and embarrassed from a sporting perspective. I just wish I could do more like the other 55 thousand in there and boy I have tried you know. When your side are ripped apart at home by a team which with respect will not finish top 3 in my opinion, it's too much. I hate writing too much in one go , but I feel so compelled to. SAD.

  83. goonersol

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:49 #91718

    We all hoped for a positive result, but feared we would get beat, and so it came to pass....Wenger staying we are "Not Ready" is a disgrace, your on £8m a year and you cannot get your team ready?? , stop doing TV work, do your homework early and get players in, but hold on, you would not have a clue what to do with them.... As Lee Bedford states --- Support the team NOT the regime! Wenger OUT asap !

  84. Raffi

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:49 #91717

    Arsenal are in the entertainment business. Using theatre as an analogy, although there may be some room for first night jitters, and a bit of forgiveness if an actor fluffs his lines or the scenery gets stuck, when it happens on pretty much every opening night, its pretty clear that the director is short-changing the ticket-paying public by not making sure his cast and crew are prepared. We don't pay to watch rehearsals, that is what pre-season is for. We are being asked to pay the same price to watch stand-in's at the matinee as we are for feature prime time performances. In any other part of the entertainment industry this kind of failure to prepare would not be tolerated. Yet we do, because we are a captive audience. Despite our bluff and bluster about walking out, ultimately we love the play too much to leave. We will complain, we will protest, but mostly we will stay. Kroenke knows this. The Board knows this. Wenger knows this. There will be no change until Arsene decides he's had enough

  85. Charles

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:43 #91716

    Another summer of gross negligence that should be a sackable offence. Maybe if £8 million a year Wenger hadn't spent a month moonlighting on French TV, he might have actually done his job and realised when the season was starting. My ambition for the season is that a Wenger Out chant will ring around the stadium. It doesn't matter if we finish 2nd or 17th, so I shan't be wasting my energy worrying about results this season. Wenger Out.

  86. Made Up Stat

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:40 #91715

    Although, I must say in Wenger’s defence: A number of them aren’t very good.

  87. Allen

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:37 #91714

    Couldnt disagree with your general sentiments but sadly the prospect of any change irrespective of how the season goes is i fear wishful thinking. Wenger is a footballing parasite whos managerial existence depends on his continuance in the arsenal job until age or ill health brings the end. He wouldnt receive a fraction of his current salary elsewhere and his middle of the road mediocrity would probably be tolerated for 6 months. Such instability would be horrific to a 67 year old thats been cossetted in the same low pressure, highly remunerated job for 20 years.As for moving on, that would be easy enough for those of us that treasure arsenal and its magnificent history while having little time for the current manager. But there are quite a few that have attached themselves to wenger while holding a hatred of our club, its pre sky history, our former managers and ex playing legends that would put a spurs fan to shame. Moving on for them would be as difficult as it will be for wenger when the time comes.

  88. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:30 #91713

    Yeah, but we can still be invincibles this season right? Oh, really...I shudder to think what previous players and managers who never shirked on the pitch would make of this bunch of ballbags and their chihuahua-faced ringmaster. Just laugh at wenger - it's the best way to cope while he finishes off his systematic dismantling of the club.

  89. CB

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:25 #91712

    Good article by John Nicholson on football365, - "Wenger: A coward who throws players under the bus"

  90. Bill dodgin

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:16 #91709

    Good write-up Kevin. Astute and philosophical as ever. It's important now not to care too much in order Yr to avoid pain (the club don't). The underlying unspoken attitude is probably that it's all ok, because there's still bags of time to have a try for a top four finish. As I watched Wenger and Bould sitting in that now habitual distressed and baffled attitude, I thought of two men who have lain down in the middle of he road and are feeling aggrieved at getting run over.

  91. N4

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:15 #91708

    Totally agree with Rob there, couldn't put it any better myself. Not bothered what Arsenal do these days except checking in now and then. Arsenal is getting furthest in my top list and I am scared though how further down the list it will go as I can see myself stop caring and supporting Arsenal anymore. I don't even talk good things about Arsenal to my kids anymore so not sure what team they're going to support. I know it's the first game but this scene has been seen too many times before!

  92. Lee Bedford

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:12 #91707

    Support the team NOT the regime! Wenger OUT! simple as that.

  93. King Jeremy

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:08 #91706

    I watched yesterday with complete indifference, neither surprised or angered by the result. It's all become completely predictable and nothing will change until this manager and his set up sever all ties with the club. As for the sentiments of this being Wenger's last season, I wouldn't be so sure of that. 4th-place-on-a-budget seems to be the limit of the board and owners ambitions and as long as the manager keeps delivering this, there is neither the need not the desire to "twist". I predict that the moment a decent string of wins is put together (and it will be at some point) a new contract will be shoved under the managers nose and will be signed. The saddest indictment of the state of this club was being turned down by Jamie Vardy. A 29 year old player who 2 years ago was playing not that far above semi-pro level does not want to play for Arsenal Football Club. Herbert Chapman would be turning in his grave. Breathe deep Gooners - it's going to be a loooooong season

  94. ianmac

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:08 #91705

    He states that the current prices for players is crazy and that it is terrible that agents have become millionaires overnight but he's happy to take the wage of a modern day top manager at 8.2m a year yet he cant win a major trophy that a top manager should be. if you don't like the modern day football Arsene then leave, simple.

  95. Smithy

    Aug 15, 2016, 10:02 #91704

    The board do not care as long as the money keeps rolling in . Stan's franchises are all mediocre. Just another way of making money without investing too much . Arsene you are responsible for a unfit and incapable squad . Stop mugging off the fans.

  96. Herdee String

    Aug 15, 2016, 9:57 #91703

    Agree entirely but you're being optimistic there Ed. Arsene ain't gonna give up his fifedom that easily. There'll be at least two more years of this predictability.

  97. Bard

    Aug 15, 2016, 9:56 #91702

    Spot on Kev. Never mind the notion that the media are always against him he should be crucified for not buying a proper defender and going into the game with Holding and Chambers. He gets an easy ride in my view. Any other manager of a top club would be the subject of ridicule. His pre and post match ramblings are even more bizarre than usual. 'We are ready', 'no we arent ready'. Dictatorships always have a bloody ending and this one's no different. Liverpool are no great shakes and I can see other hammerings round the corner. As you say yesterday showed that we dont have the class to mount a serious challenge once again even when the other players are back.

  98. Rob

    Aug 15, 2016, 9:53 #91701

    Sorry but I'm not so sure. so abject, indifferent and abysmal are the Arsenal Board and majority share holder, so desperate are they to cling to Wenger - and so equally desperate is he to be given unlimited opportunities - I could see a rolling contract being extended next June, even if we finished fifth or sixth. And No - I'm not trying to wind anyone up. But unless the Emirates sheep make their discontent plain - and they have had opportunities in the past but always declined in any substantive way - I can see Wenger staying on next year. I truly hope not. But I'm afraid it could happen.

  99. Red Member

    Aug 15, 2016, 9:50 #91700

    the only thing we can hope for as Arsenal supporters is for Wenger to go and to go soon - a great result therefore yesterday

  100. Augustus Flair

    Aug 15, 2016, 9:49 #91699

    Says it all, Kev, and this report will be duplicated many times in the coming months, as will the predictable (and justified) responses from all the usual suspects, me included. We have got nowhere in recent years, are going nowhere and will end up nowhere - real nowhere men "led" by the arch Nowhere Man, with apologies to The Beatles. And it all used to be so different.

  101. danmckenzie

    Aug 15, 2016, 9:46 #91698

    Even if Ozil and Giroud played it still not good enough.That Giroud need 100 chances made by Ozil to score one goal.He is not good enough and will never be.And no one will understand why Wenger still believe in Walcott.He is no more than a sprinter.That le fraud shouls spent the money on a STRIKER...but i doubt Griezmann is good enough for epl.Same goes to Lacazette.And spending 40mil on striker who is not even selected for French squad is not a wise decision.At this rate i think only Lewandowski or Aubameyang can save us.