Lucky Arsenal

Online Ed: Gunners escape with a point at Leicester thanks to Mark Clattenburg



Lucky Arsenal


Having won the league, on paper, Leicester away should be difficult fixture this season. Arsenal though, beat them twice last season, and the defending champions construed to lose to Hull last weekend. So there was hope that the Gunners could get their season on track with an away win, especially with Koscielny, Ozil and Giroud available for selection.

As it was, only Koscielny started, taking the captain’s armband. Other changes from last week’s starting eleven were Xhaka for Elneny, Cazorla for Ramsey and the Ox for Iwobi. Koscielny replaced Chambers, with Rob Holding keeping his place. A big call from the manager, but the defence played better than it did against Liverpool last weekend. Koscielny was probably Arsenal’s standout player and Holding’s performance justified his selection. What Calum Chambers must think is another question.

Leicester were at full strength with the only change from the team that won the title being Mendy in the position of the now Chelsea midfielder Kante.

It was a largely nothingy kind of game, as the scoreline suggests, interspersed with the odd moment of drama. However, the conclusion is that Leicester are unlikely to have anywhere near as much success as last season and Arsenal will need to improve significantly going forward if they are to enjoy much success in the months ahead.

Ultimately, as the game neared its end, Leicester should have been awarded a penalty, but Mark Clattenburg didn’t give it. Perhaps the home side’s reputation for winning penalties with some questionable hitting the deck (principally Jamie Vardy) last season has caught up with them. In the cold light of day though, it was the key moment and Arsenal got lucky. The ball went down the other end of the field and Theo Walcott had a glorious chance to chip the keeper and give his team the win, but fluffed his lines. Despite scoring some fine goals in his decade plus at the club, he has always had a tendency to do that. I wonder if Arsene Wenger is still waiting for him to come good. He has never reached the level the club need to win titles. He’s no Robert Pires. And the reality is we’re stuck with him at least for the duration of his current deal with no-one else being willing to match the wages he is on at the club.

Theo had ambitions to play at centre forward, a role given to Alexis Sanchez while we wait for Giroud’s return to match fitness and / or the purchase of an upgrade in the position. Alexis tried manfully but had a generally quiet afternoon, a couple of strange Hollywood balls he attempted across the pitch that went wrong the principle memory of his performance. Whether he regains the spark we know he has when he moves back into his normal position waits to be seen, but we may need to prepare for a below-par season. The player has not had a summer off since 2013 and Chile will be in next summer’s Confederations Cup. I wonder if the guy is just a bit all played out these days.

With the help of his colleagues, they tried to work a route through the thicket of Leicester defenders. They forged a handful of promising situations, but the final ball didn't work out and frankly, the Gunners looked blunt. The game was far less open than the match against Liverpool and the visitors didn’t have the ability to really change things. Matters improved a little with the introduction of Mesut Ozil, but the Leicester box always looked too packed for the threading of the needle required. It all felt a bit familiar.

Jack Wilshere came on for Granit Xhaka with less than 20 minutes. Francis Coquelin was fortunate still to be on the pitch after escaping a second yellow card, so it was a gamble to leave the Frenchman on, but it was one that Arsene Wenger won as he stayed out of trouble for the remainder of the game.

Early days in the season yet, and the team seems far from settled. However, with the injuries in central defence, that looks to be the way it will remain unless someone like Mustafi is brought, starts immediately and retains his place. Even though only two matches have been played, looking at the table, one has a suspicion that the big clubs that changed manager during the summer might establish too much of a head start for Arsenal to join them in the title race this season.

There were questions about whether Pep Guardiola would adapt to the Premier League at Manchester City. A thumping victory at Stoke suggests he could have a few tips for Arsene Wenger about getting results at the Britannia. Manchester United have bought big and bought well from the looks of things, able to leave Mhykatarian on the bench such is the depth of their options. Antonio Conte has relied on late winners to give Chelsea maximum points, but it’s not the worst habit to have. Stressful maybe, but he won’t have to worry about losing any hair these days. Liverpool’s defeat at Burnley makes last weekend’s Arsenal performance look even worse, but hey, it is early days.

In truth, I don’t expect much from the Gunners this season. If they really meant business they would have done their transfer business early and been ready for the start of the season, as other clubs seem to have managed. It was interesting to hear a significant number of the travelling faithful chant “We want Wenger out” at the end of the match yesterday. People are fed up with seeing an Arsenal team trying to unpick knots against organized defences, as well as the annual balls up of the summer transfer market. At least they are only paying £26 a ticket to suffer this when it happens away from home now.

What are Arsene’s solutions? One imagines there will be signings by deadline day with Arsenal will be reactive rather than proactive in the transfer market, unlike others, and may pay the price as they did in 2011-12, as new arrivals take time to do the settling in they could have been doing in pre-season. This of course assumes they do strengthen, although it would beggar belief if the pile of cash the club have remains untouched in the bank. The pressure is simply too intense, the need to address key positions too great. Arsenal will pay at least what they were unwilling to six weeks ago and probably more. Still, six weeks wages saved, eh? And Arsene’s obviously very concerned about the wages issue at the club going by his post match interview. He should let the HR department worry about that.

Ozil and Giroud will start next weekend, and points will start to be picked up. Certainly, anything but a win at Watford will see things get very ugly, but historically, Wenger’s teams have always plucked out a result when he has really needed them to (in terms of him saving face rather than winning titles in recent seasons of course).

However, the discontent isn’t going away. It can go quiet, only to resurface when the inevitable off day comes along. And it is growing, with more and more fans unhappy seeing the same old same old from the team, and blaming the manager. I am convinced that means that the board have already decided that there won’t be a new contract offer. And the scenes at the conclusion of the match at the King Power won’t have done anything to persuade them otherwise.

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  1. Jamerson

    Aug 23, 2016, 17:36 #92232

    Having different views doesn't mean I'm trolling/I said earlier on many occasions that Arsenal's main weapon has always been our huge fan base,yet we don't use it to our ability.Yes I agree that their should be a section put aside for our poorer fans yet being in the center of London we should be making at least £150m a year on gate money and operate as a proper club financed by our fan base.Not just top Chelsea with their tiny speckle of fans or northerners Manure who don't even compete in the champions league and has a fanbase mainly on benefits.I agree with the club not wanting to follow the chavy,manure,liverpool way of just relying on worldy merchandise and in City's case corrupt deals and the way that the club are refusing WOB hero 'fatty Usmanov'the chance of having more power is excellent for all decent fans,yet we should utilise what our strengths are.Wenger and Gazidas need to put two fingers up to the fans who are holding us back,the media love to portray Arsenal as an expensive entity with hard done by supporters which is far from the truth and has been our downfall for sometime now ..

  2. mbg

    Aug 23, 2016, 16:29 #92227

    Yes they can all see TOF coming now bumbling along with all his dough in the bank, powder he's been keeping dry for years now (remember that one ? we haven't heard it from the AKB's for a long time now) and here he is looking for a deal/deals and a favour/favours from managers who he's pissed off for years and who hate him, and who take great delight in bending him over and shafting him. we want wenger out.

  3. Edmund

    Aug 23, 2016, 15:32 #92220

    I pity the players who are getting bashed in this site. I dont really think they are at fault. If Walcott had packed his bags and gone to City, Pellegrini could train him properly and have him scoring goals for fun. Chambers was a fairly decent right back refitted to become a below average centreback. Alexis was fantastic when he joined and is becoming a poor centre forward. Even Takuma Asano whom jj seems to have a fixation on was a very decent goalscorer for his old club in Japan. Having signed him, Wenger doesnt have the guts to play him unlike Ranieri who plays Shinji Okazaki. If by some miracle, he turns out to be our next Henry, it would go a long way towards restoring his reputation. Wenger has tried changing a lot of things except his own training methods.

  4. mbg

    Aug 23, 2016, 14:24 #92219

    Made up Stat, yes indeed and every other night he turns it off, no crying about spending/wasting money and throwing it away there by his apologists, and i'm surprised he hasn't AKB flunkeys doing that for him even kissing him goodnight, after all they do everything else for him. wenger out.

  5. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 23, 2016, 13:56 #92218

    Ron, I know what you mean with Huth & Morgan, they take their work very seriously and I enjoy watching good defending. It is a shame that Bouldy, such a good centre half, is not allowed to get involved with real defensive coaching that he did so well under GG - but we know why that will never happen don't we?

  6. mbg

    Aug 23, 2016, 13:39 #92217

    Wrighty calls for two players to leave the club, only two ? can you not count to ix ? and you forgot TOF of a manager the one who needs to go the most. wenger out.

  7. Ron

    Aug 23, 2016, 13:14 #92216

    SKG - youre right there esp about Walcott. The Club have contributed to his average career by indulging him to think he was ever a striker. Hes ended up being neither that or a wing man. I think Holding looks a lad who'll enjoy defending. How long since that at Arsenal mate? Wenger could see him as the total footballer though and try and make him thinks hes all things to all people of course! That ll screw him over as it has Chambers. Having said that, i think Chambers is more inclined to being a pretty boy than a solid defender. Seems to lack the will or the resolve to put his body on the line when in defence and is too gangly to play midfield in my view. No pace either. Some of these defenders should go and watch Huth and Morgan. They keep a nice distance between them. Ech understands the other and each dont think twice about blasting it over the stand if theres danger afoot. Not pretty they say? Who the f--k cares if it stops a goal. I never realised quite how physically big and dominant they could be until Sat. What they say goes in that Leics defence.

  8. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 23, 2016, 12:34 #92215

    Ron: I hope you are right about Holding, you have seen him so I trust your judgement. With Chambers and Walcott and Ox and so many others, AW has this daft idea of turning them into complete footballers before they have even learnt to play in one position. Walcott should have been schooled by a genuine winger and shown how to cross a ball first before any daft ideas about making him a striker. I just feel Chambers under a proper coaching regime has a chance, if he learnt some positional play at centre back, it would improve him greatly, instead of this mindless garbage about he might possibly be a DM player! IMO he can only make it as a stopper, so let him leave and go to a club that can help him define his career.

  9. Paul Ward

    Aug 23, 2016, 12:28 #92214

    Phil Jones is available, he wouldn't would he ?

  10. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 23, 2016, 12:19 #92213

    JJetplane - it's straw man arguments isnt it. Interestingly though he's chosen to raise this. Leader no1# Attwood is repositioning his worshippers that Wengo is looking increasingly likely to be off. I await with interest what he will say if Arsenal don't renew.

  11. Dithering Ole fool,,,,,,,,,

    Aug 23, 2016, 12:00 #92212

    so everyone has worked out AFC are desperate, to the extent we get asked to pay £25m for Johnny Evans... Absolutely laughable yet lamentable what Wenger has done to our Club. gone are the days where David Dein swooped on Sol Campbell, etc. the dithering ole fool way past his sell-by date continues to bring the Club to new lows....

  12. goonersol

    Aug 23, 2016, 10:50 #92211

    We are now witnessing the last throws of Wenger's empire, he has run out of ideas & excuses, as he can no longer hide behind the move to the emirates, he now has nothing to offer...he knew that the move would buy him 5 years, so had ready made excuses, now when he is expected to deliver, he cannot...Now being made to look a fool in the transfer market again, first rule of economics ( does he really have a degree ?) when you have a need to buy, the price will be high...Evans £25m :)...Sadly Wenger is now a lost soul in Football, old , tired ideas, leading us & him nowhere.. shame really.

  13. jjetplane

    Aug 23, 2016, 10:35 #92210

    Meanwhile on UA someone has been found who hopes Asano get relegated and then we will be shot of Wenger. Atwood then runs a whole article on this and all the posters (in Lagos, Dubai ...) say how can these/this people be Asano (sic) supporters. Thing with the UA paranoics is that relegation is not on the cards and never will be but if Arsene Asano (sic) falls out of the top four that will be it for him and he will be quietly ushered out a side door for a life spell of 'gardening leave.' Whatever the arrogant and not very intelligent accountant has ruined this club for a forseeable future and am still intrigued how certain posters on here are supporting Wenger now in some wash of sentimentality or perhaps it's a case of 'not biting the hand'....

  14. Ron

    Aug 23, 2016, 10:23 #92208

    SKG - In all fairness i saw more in young Holding on Saturday than Chambers has shown in all his games for us. I d sell Chambers just for having that haircut! Agree hes no future at Arsenal though and hes had a raw deal perhaps trying to be dovetailed in here and there, but hes not good enough and never will be in my view. I think Holding will make it, unless our coaching just f---s him up too.

  15. Website Editor

    Aug 23, 2016, 9:20 #92207

    With reference to 'Wenger must die' comments, these are deleted when spotted, but we don't have someone working full time moderating, so on occasion they will remain unless someone can notify us before we spot them - best use the website editorial address - [email protected]. The other thing that will get deleted is posts from obvious trolls, Jamerson being a prime example. Happy to have a debate on all matters Arsenal, but when someone is quite obviously trolling, then their posts will be taken down. And as ever, I'd always recommend not feeding the trolls in the first instance.

  16. goonersol

    Aug 23, 2016, 8:51 #92206

    Jamerson : you had the start of a valid post, but then you got silly... Wenger & IG do stick to fingers up to us fans, they treat us with contempt , we have the fan base to be huge, but with views like yours and narrow minded money orientated leadership like our regime, the results are there for all to see...constant under achievement, lies, spin, excuses, excuses and more excuse.. the sooner the whole regime changes, the sooner we can turn Arsenal into a world force , because that is what the move to the Emirates should have bought us....

  17. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 23, 2016, 8:48 #92205

    Well at least Evans will not be coming to Arsenal, that's the midnight bargain buy on August 31st out the window, be thankful for small mercies! We were never going to buy anyone anyway, Holding is AW last chance to prove to people he still has the ability to spot a player. If 25 million is the going rate for a PL footballer then may I suggest we sell poor Chambers and give him a chance to continue his career somewhere else because he has not got one at the Arsenal.

  18. Bromley boy

    Aug 23, 2016, 8:17 #92204

    All the time wenger is making money for Kronke he is going nowhere, we first need to somehow get rid of Kronke how we do that I'm not sure . Can you imagine him working under the ownership of someone like roman Ambravich , now I hate everything about Chelsea but roman wouldn't put up with this crap. Maybe all the different supporters groups should get there heads together and become one big voice . I'm sure Kronke will be in attendance for the Middlesbrough game on Oct 22nd as the annual shareholders meeting takes place on mon 24th perhaps that is the game to let Kronke know what the fans think of him , the board ,the manager , the medical team etc. on a personal note I would like nothing more than for Wenger to prove us all wrong but I just cant see that happening. A change is needed

  19. Made Up Stat

    Aug 23, 2016, 7:12 #92203

    On a more positive note - Wenger woke up this morning £8,000 better off than when he turned off his bedside light last night.

  20. Peter Wain

    Aug 23, 2016, 6:33 #92202

    £25 million for Evans surely we cannot be that desparate. Better not to sign someone if that is all we can afford.

  21. mbg

    Aug 23, 2016, 0:53 #92201

    So there you are then, apparently it's compulsory to make every comment about the game (even if it is possible) and not comment on another post now, i remember another wengerite thought something similar way back, and took great exception to comments on his posts, god knows where he is today. You couldn't make it up. The old fraud out.

  22. mbg

    Aug 23, 2016, 0:13 #92200

    Alsace, great post, your right there's not one player there now who cares or gives a f**k about the club, not one, we have an ex player sitting on the bench who should know better but all he does is nod his head and scratch his balls, he should be thoroughly f*****g ashamed of himself sitting there letting this happen, he doesn't and won't come out of this with his reputation intact either,(I cant wait for his book to spill the beans) we can say what we like about the John Terry's, Jamie Carraghers, Giggs, etc ,etc, who supposedly got managers sacked they cared for, and supported the/ their club and seen what was happening and done/did something about it,(and the same can be said of their clubs fans too) Oh for a John Terry etc, at our club, this f*****g buffoon might not have lasted half the time he has. Is it any wonder he got rid of all the experience that made him, and he's been dining out on for the last eleven years ? the Adams, Seamans, Viera's Leahmans, etc, etc, etc, and all the others and won't have or never had any of them about the place in any capacity, instead replaced them with yes men and nodding dogs with irrelevant jobs like taking tourists and ABK wengerites on tired old stadium tours, and they won't come out of this smelling of roses either, they'll be remembered for their role in it too when it finally comes to an end for their arse licking and keeping stum. Go wenger your not wanted here.

  23. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 22, 2016, 22:19 #92199

    Ho Ho £25 million for Jonny Evans, what clowns we have running Arsenal. Isn't there anyone who could step in to save the embarrassment . Oh God Gazidis.... No think not

  24. John F

    Aug 22, 2016, 22:13 #92198

    .Wenger must die posts are a poor attempt to discredit this site.Take it off moderator please.

  25. Ron

    Aug 22, 2016, 22:04 #92197

    The real pressure should equally be imposed on Kroenke. He has the purse strings and Wenger is only the stubborn tyrant to the extent that SK allows him to be. I can see rarlours points. He makes some good ones. As much as i want to see change and as much as i was hoarse on Sat afternoon from giving stick to certain players i still couldnt be nasty chanting to Wenger. Madness i know. Its only because his first decade was so good. I know that too. It seems sort of uncouth to hammer him! A bit like having no time for royalty and then being given the opportunity to sit down and say why to the Queen in person and then stuttering and waffling to her that she does a great job!! I know this is barmy and i can see the points the lads make on here about hammering him. Fact is that Wenger is as much PL 'royalty' as Arsenal have traditionally been and to a degree still are, footballing royalty and he lives off it.

  26. Leekey

    Aug 22, 2016, 21:52 #92196

    Mark from A. They drink Guinness in Ireland but they don't have to live in Dublin. So in theory, they can drink Norfolk Nog in Suffolk. Not quite sure you and Bonzo can grasp the simpler things in life hence the anti Wenger status.

  27. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 21:36 #92195

    ArseneKnewBest, as far as some of the wengerites are concerned wally is class, they've been told often enough by their messiah so it must be right, maybe even barca class. wenger out and his wally's with him.

  28. Brighton Gooner

    Aug 22, 2016, 20:54 #92194

    Great post Nick; totally agree the club has sucked all my enthusiasm from me. I used to love the excitement of a new season and the hope but now we have no hope. All we can do is hope and pray TOF is forced out. I really hope it happens mate and you can make that trip again to see a properly managed Arsenal!

  29. GoonerRon

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:54 #92193

    @ mbg (97662) - great observations about the game, I literally couldn't have put it better myself. Oh wait...

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:54 #92192

    Rarlour - the issue is also the board. Chelsea pre Abromovitch were doing their usual circle of shame, broken ground, nasty fans , division 2 is calling you. Post Abromovitch they plunge bigger than we do despite being a middling club and worryingly internationally they are probably bigger than us. Abromovitch would have sacked Wenger by 2010. You only have to look at how he dealt with his managers. Maybe not altogether nice but they have had a decade of success. Arsenal have instead had a decade of mediocrity which seems to coincide to a large degree with the loss of Dein and possibly the death of Fizman. The are now to cowardly, mediocre and afraid to make the right decision. If we all shut up and politely applaud he'd get another contract without hesitation. I'm not sure if you've been looking but one or two on here have been responsible for getting the message on the social media "Wenger Out" the protest which didn't go as well as planned was also social media inspired. The Journos now attacking Wenger look at these sites and finally Puma will be reviewing their marketing. Basically I will do anything to keep the pressure up for Wenger Out. Protest , noise and discontent is needed to remind the supine Board to do its duty. Sitting on our hands won't work.

  31. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:51 #92191

    raylor, I don't go out to be harsh on anyone, (apart from wenger)and your entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but if you think that's bile you haven't heard very much of it, worse has been said on the terraces and in the pubs after games. I personally don't care who or if anyone disagree with my opinions their my opinions and entitled to them too and will be sticking to them ,and I don't see to many disagreeing with them (and haven't over the last five seasons) only those who support wenger more than the club, and those who know myself and others are right (and have been for years) who have just got of the fence and let go of his shirt tails but still just can't bring themselves to blame him in full, or say a bad word against him. And would this be the same one last productive season or judge him in may type of thing we've been hearing spouted from his followers at this time for the last ten seasons ? if TOF signs for another season or two it will be get behind him for two more ? etc, yeah that would be right, well you know what you can do with that, respectfully, the only people/fans who've picked fights on here or indeed at the ground are wengerites AKB's who don't like the opinions of others especially when their not the same as theirs, and last but by no means least, the only person who HAS distributed and WILL distribute even more to wengers last season being a disgrace (indeed as far as i'm concerned including his whole legacy) is wenger himself. wenger out.

  32. Dial square

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:51 #92190

    We now have dead man walking as our manager. The word seams to have got out across Europe's top players to avoid our once great club like the plague, no top player will come just for the money they want to win things and play dynamic football not fill there bank accounts like wally and play tip pass tap don't shoot. As Saturdays game showed he may have lost some of the team already which might not be a bad thing as it shows they want a change we need all of them to lose faith because then it is only a mater of time before the taxi that we want to see called to the cathedral of disappointment takes him away for good. To keep on with the same tactics, timed subs each game, Sh*t show transfer window, poor player development year on year shows just how poor a coach he really is in todays climate. Not to develop as a coach is suicide and he is doing it over and over again. I said before I think the shopping is done for this window, why? because he does not really know what he wants and then when the dithering stops the price just turns him into jelly again. I can not see the board not spending the money on players as some have suggested as they seem quite happy to let him get on and play cash cow for the PLC so trust him to make the right call. The no spend is down to TOF. It now seems that all this waiting has put the price up of the German lad from Valencia to way over what we could have paid 2 weeks ago and if he signs Draxler we will have to pay almost double what was quoted last time we were interested. He is dead man walking so get him out before its too late

  33. GoonerRon

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:40 #92189

    @ arseneknewbest - Theo is a difficult one. He's a limited player, of that there's no doubt. I've said before he's got three qualities - pace, good movement and he's an instinctive finisher. I've always thought his goal record was good for a wide player and that his more direct style gives us something a bit different. Do I want him to retire with us? No. Could we get better value for his wages? I'm sure we could.

  34. Goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:14 #92188

    Ralour: points well made , but don't agree with them , he cares about Arsenal's finances , does he , is that after he takes home £8m pa , or before ?? He is suppose to be Football manager not an accountant - but his tactics and football know how suggests he is taking his wages under false pretences .....Wenger out

  35. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 22, 2016, 19:05 #92187

    rarlour - afraid I think your analysis is deeply flawed. Firstly, Wenger is constantly, backhandedly insulting the fans - blaming them for last season's failure, saying the wish for better players is 'influenced by the media'. He's incredibly patronising and monstrously arrogant. Secondly, Wenger is not being logical and pragmatic for AFC's sake - he knows that whether he spends £10m or £100m he's not going to compete for the title but the latter puts him under pressure whilst the former means congratulations from the likes of yourself for finishing 4th having spent so much less than his rivals. It's also not logical or pragmatic to leave money in the bank rather than invest in assets on the pitch in today's ever inflating market. Your analysis betrays a lack of comprehension of the environment of which you speak, I'm afraid. As for the English/British core 'coming into their prime' - I dont know what you're seeing on the pitch but perpetually injured and/or overrated, that's been ably demonstrated season after season. He's leaving a burden for the next guy, not a legacy.

  36. Paul Ward

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:47 #92186

    Rarlour, with the greatest of respect , nonsense. How is refusing to pay an extra 5 or 10 mill here and there protecting the club. We are operating in the football industry of 2016 not the 19th century Methodist church. I am not interested in Wengers moral values he's a football manager , not a vicar or a politician, He should wipe his arrogant French mouth and spend OUR money ! Wenger out

  37. rarlour

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:23 #92185

    EG - well it's good that we can disagree and not get into a horrible fight about it. From my pov some of the things you're levelling at Wenger here are not true. He's not spewing bile in our faces. What he says is almost always logical and pragmatic. Even if it's uninspiring and insipid - it's almost always logical and pragmatic. The problem comes when his decisions on the pitch and in the transfer market are often the exact opposite of logical and pragmatic but that's a whole other form of torture! And arguably Wenger is protecting the club long term by refusing to pay inflated transfer fees and buying potentially good players as opposed to ready made ones. If you or I were in charge then there's no doubt we'd throw the money at big names just as soon as we could. In the short term it might or might not work - and absolutely we'd get the fans on our side (something I think Wenger is completely and utterly blind to - one of his worst traits) but ultimately our caretaker stint would damage the long term prospects of the next manager leaving him with fewer funds and fewer players with potential (we'd have sold them to make way for our big signings) Let's say that this actually is Wenger's last year (I understand you don't think so but bear with me on this) and we get a real seasoned warrior in like Ancelotti next year. He's going to want a couple of hundred mill to spend and Arsene will have bequeathed him that because he hasn't overspent. He will also have left a squad that could arguable field a majority English/British first team in it's or heading for it's prime. I'm not suggesting everything's rosy and we should all do a victory dance - but there are many many positives to Wenger and I personally believe he deserves this last year without the crowd on his back. That's just my belief - not a demand that you agree or that you're wrong or anything like that.

  38. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:19 #92184

    There you are then (it comes as no surprise)a decent point gained in a game after it opened up, even though it didn't properly open up, a functional display so like I said we're up and running it's on. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  39. Paul Ward

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:17 #92183

    Sky reporting that the Mustafi deal is now in doubt because of our refusal to meet the buy out clause, has Wenger given any thought as to what might happen if Koscielny gets a serious injury? Not exactly unlikely is it? Honestly you couldn't make this shambles up, you want the player, he wants to come, go and F....g buy him for pity's sake! If anybody wants to defend this circus I'm all ears. Wenger out

  40. Alsace

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:15 #92182

    The truth is try and get around the problem of Wenger all you like. We try and inject new blood with good and expensive players who have been properly trained by proper managers. Sadly, if you bought Messi, Crispiano the hairdresser, Zlatan and Gareth Bale, he would destroy them as players inside a season. He has more or less destroyed Sanchez. He is the problem. I wish the players would just abandon him. I said many seasons ago that the demise of Wenger would be agonising because he always gets enough out of the team to save his skin. Since we have no Arsenal supporters in the team, they have no love of the club and no reason to abandon him. The wages keep rolling in and they live in a consequence fee environment - just like him. Jameson and Leek are enjoying our pain which must mean that they are Spurs fans - or possibly Mancs. Suggest that you all ignore them.

  41. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:13 #92181

    Jambie - you told us you live in Southwold that is Suffolk. But you farm in Norfolk? These are big counties. I suspect that your little lies are coming unstuck. Do you remember when you had to admit Pete didn't exist. I think though that the caravan is very real and I also suspect that Leekey is in it right now dressed in a Gimp mask

  42. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:10 #92180

    rarlour - disagree totally on every point you've made there. This isn't his swansong, Wenger will want to go on and on. A big part of the reason he can is fans are too soft on him. He does deserve the bile - he's spewing it in our faces every time he opens his mouth these days. Pressure should be kept up on him in the stadium and across all forms of media to push him out. What's good for the club is him getting out of it. The apologists need to wake up cos their stance is harming the club long term.

  43. rarlour

    Aug 22, 2016, 18:01 #92179

    EG & mbg - I get it, it's frustrating and demoralising always being 2 players short of something big. But get some perspective on this. Wenger does not deserve this kind of bile and you shouldn't waste your time trying to score points off people that disagree with your opinions. You must know as loyal Arsenal fans that getting behind Wenger and the lads for one more season will be more productive than gnashing your teeth and picking fights. Even if by some miracle he makes a couple of massive signings this week and goes on to win everything (fat chance I know!) this will almost certainly end up being his swansong. Don't contribute to it being a disgrace - do everything you can to make it a good one and you will thank yourself in future that you at least tried. You'll get your new manager soon enough - and then you may even realise it wasn't quite as simple as you thought! Or you might be proved bang on the money... either way you can make a difference this year by encouraging the club instead of disparaging them at every turn. Just my thoughts on the matter - don't go too harsh on me now... :)

  44. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:59 #92178

    Yes Kevin we all heard those questions about Pep adapting to the prem, hilarious (it's not to hard to know where those questions were coming from)the man has hit the ground running (that's class for you)while our old mr bumble has been bumbling about for eleven seasons now and still hasn't adapted, and never will, still as lost as ever. You couldn't make it up. Go now wenger your not fit for purpose.

  45. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:56 #92177

    The best thing for Ox & Theo is to move on, they will find a new impetus and drive to play well, elsewhere. At Arsenal , Wenger has drained any skill, energy they may have once had...do you think Bale & Ronaldo would be the players they are today under Wenger...I don't think so...Wenger Out

  46. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:52 #92176

    Arsenal 10th in the calendar year form table. I thought the AKBs loved this sort of stat, why haven't they been trumpeting it? But I'm going to guess AFC's fixtures have been tougher than the teams above them this entire year so far. That explains it.

  47. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:47 #92175

    Every game Arsenal play now is a nothingy/nothing kind of game as has been the case for years, and all thanks to the biggest nothing of a manager in our History. wenger out now.

  48. rarlour

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:47 #92174

    KC - very good points. I personally think Ox and Theo are nice boys but frankly they are not delivering when we absolutely need them to. In the case of Ox his stats are zilch. Sanchez gets a pass because he contributes stats and performances even when his form dips. You can't drop him he's too good. I'm not saying I want this guy or that guy sold - but we're a football club that claims to be going for the big prizes. We can't carry players even if their English and the press likes them. We need a world class right winger and Ox and Theo need to start fighting to dislodge that world class right winger or give up the ghost and put in a transfer request.

  49. KC

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:43 #92173

    I am no apologist for Walcott but how he gets so much stick and the Ox none is beyond me. The Ox delivers nothing check his goal and assist stats. What really scares me is it all the managers inability to man manage, perhaps a couple of personal chats with both players telling them to open up, have belief show some devil might be helpful. I think Wengers obsession with pass-pass-pass does not help either, they both need to man up though. The other concern is Sanchez, poor last season and shocking on Saturday.

  50. Hiccup

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:32 #92172

    Over on Untold, Clattenburg is getting slated for, wait for it... bias towards Leicester? The Ref Review marks Clattenburg poorly with 17 biased decisions to Leicester, and just the 1 biased decision to Arsenal. The media get some stick too, as it is they that stirred up the penalty controversies and possible Coquelin red card. But the eagle eyed hawks at Untold see bad refereeing from Clattenburg denying Arsenal dead cert penalties. At last, thank God for some reasonable and objective analysis of the game. As I understand it, Arsenal should currently be top of the league after two games with 8 points. On course to exceed last season's revamped 101 points. And as Hi Berry states, add in the possesion and successful pass tables, and we're on for the treble. Looking forward to tomorrow's article where evidence will be provided that those shouting for 'Wenger out' was coming from the BT Sport staff.

  51. rarlour

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:29 #92171

    Lucky? Maybe. Certainly the second penalty was a penalty but then Leicester's little darlings spend the whole match diving and escaping bookings so what goes around comes around. Personally I think we have a strong ref to thank for not giving in to their blatant cheating - but more than that we have an absolute stalwart performance by Laurent to thank as well. Talk about world class centre backs - we already have at least one. What we need now is another one despite Holding's good performance. It's all about the squad. I'll say it again. We need two world class signings before the end of the week. One centre back and one right winger. If we get them then we challenge, if we don't then we're scrapping for fourth or worse. I reckon it's that simple right now. Get the chequebook out Wenger!

  52. Mark

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:14 #92170

    re THEO totally agree waste of space have been posting on here for months he shd have been sold as Ian Wright indicated on BT SPORT its about upgrading on what we have BUT we must move out some Players whove been given 1000 chances.... wenger is the opposite of a ruthless winning mentality....

  53. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:11 #92169

    Jamerson : another gem, keep them coming....The players are fine, the only one who needs to leave is Wenger (along with Kroneke) we need a manager with a plan, and who knows about Winning Football matches, not worrying about how he will pay the temps who serve Hot-dogs?? there could be an opening for you at the Emirates, they need an extra pair of hands to dish out the Wenger must stay banners.....YKIMS

  54. Jamerson

    Aug 22, 2016, 17:03 #92168

    There's some funny characters on here.The players they deem not good enough for Arsenal they want to leave,while the players they deem too good they also want to leave pretending to act in the interest of the player.Then when they do leave they attack Wenger for allowing him to leave,although they originally claimed they wanted him to leave..

  55. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 22, 2016, 16:50 #92167

    Gooner Ron - I was interested by your comments about Feo. Do you think a player of his calibre belongs at the Arsenal? And do you believe Weng has been right to persist with him when other wingers, e.g. Arshavin, Hleb and now Campbell have been moved out (the latter albeit on loan). Would you like to see him retire at the club? Personally, I think he's poor and is an empty shell. His presence is a double-whammy of negativity - he's sub par when he plays, and his high wages prevent us from replacing him with someone with more technique and commitment. He is an on-field totem for wenger's failure as a manager.

  56. jeff wright

    Aug 22, 2016, 16:49 #92166

    GR, I suggest waiting until we see what our result away to Watford is before deciding that the top two have had easier fixtures than we have had .Actually looking at the Liverpool result away to Burnley losingf 2-0 one would have to conclude that we should have done better than to lose 4-3 at home to Klopps flops. Anyway ,you know what they say about counting your chickens ... ask lee k fc about it he thought Watford were a cert home banker in the cup last season and ...oh! ... tbh it looks like the chickens have come home to roost for Wengo he looks even more stressed out and clueless than ever ...cluck..cluck..cluck..

  57. Ron

    Aug 22, 2016, 16:43 #92165

    GR - Oh yes mate, i agree totally that pen 2 types are normally given and that by those standards we got lucky with it. These forwards are so adept now at conning arent they.I have sympathy for the refs. Theyre slated if they stand firm and say No pen and slated if they give them. Awful job. Absolutely should have a pint! Next time i do an away, ill shout you up to see if youre going.

  58. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 16:41 #92164

    Jamerson : Another great Post,... "are you leeky in disguise"..do you have any more words of wisdom??....Try this one... "You are a Plonker"....Found in Leviticus, as said by Del boy... You Know it makes sense...

  59. Jamerson

    Aug 22, 2016, 16:27 #92163

    If the guy wants to come and work on our farm he can.My slaves are the happiest people you'd ever want to meet,good wages,plenty of fresh air and a barrel of Norfolk Nog laid on free at the end of each day..

  60. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 15:57 #92162

    Hi Berry, good one, just wait and see TOF spit that one out after our/his next embarrassment to try and justify and cover up his failings.

  61. Mark

    Aug 22, 2016, 15:47 #92161

    The Resignation letter from the guy who worked in the Arsenal Store has gone viral ! he resigned after Wenger comments abt having to pay 600 employees at the Club before he thinks about Transfers... the guy said he would rather see Transfers than take £7.20/hour from AFC ! now thats commitment !!!!!!

  62. GoonerRon

    Aug 22, 2016, 15:38 #92160

    @ Ron - yes I was there (we should have met for a pint!) I don't disagree on Walcott performance (or Walcott generally for the most part) I just get frustrated when I hear people say he did NOTHING because he did much of what was required of him in his position on the day. I thought the second penalty would have been given 7/8 out of 10 times - Musa did put his leg across Bellerin to ensure the contact was made but for me it was a 'modern day stonewaller' if such a thing exists.

  63. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 15:19 #92159

    GoonerSol. absolutely right, I can't understand all this spend some f*****g money chants (except if it's aimed at slaphead to spend it on paying TOF off)it's not going to make a blind bit of difference with wenger he'll only spend it wrong, blow it on more duds/second raters or if he does happen to land a half decent player he'll not know what to do with him and ruin him, is it going to be any different than the last ten years/seasons ? is he suddenly going to change now ? is he fook, the only chant heard around the place is, we want wenger out we want wenger out.

  64. Bard

    Aug 22, 2016, 15:15 #92158

    Superfan; You are spot on. I also reckon that if we had scored two more goals against Liverpool we would have beaten them. By my reckoning that would have given us 6 points out of 6. Its a funny old game mate.

  65. Mark

    Aug 22, 2016, 15:00 #92157

    Mark from Aylesbury - clearly Wenger thought Viera wasnt good enough to Keep in the Arsenal System, the same went for Arteta and you could say Henry/Admams. Wenger does not want anyone around him to bounce ideas off of because he clearly sees it as his Club and he makes ALL decisions. This in itself is about as unhealthy as Managing a Club These days can possibly be.....

  66. GoonerRon

    Aug 22, 2016, 14:44 #92156

    @ Exeter - no mention of us overcoming any hurdles during our first two fixtures in my comment, just merely observing that our first two fixtures were more difficult than the other big teams who are at the top of the table right now.

  67. Ron

    Aug 22, 2016, 14:35 #92155

    GR - Is see yr points and they are well made. Im not sure of you went but if you didnt, the TV doesn't give a full pic of games, as it never can. On Walcott, oddly enough i went and decided to really watch him to see if i am unfair on him. Its right that he stayed deep and tried to help out the middle and his full back. He tried very hard, but he simply cannot do it. He runs to the wide man, then runs to the middle man and then runs.....to no where in particular. His short passes from right midfield were ok and he clearly has nil confidence when he did go fwd which wasnt often. He had a couplew of opportunities to get inside and into the area to fee himself up for a shot but cdt do it. When he had his half chance, he fluffed it because he cant shoot. TW is an honest tryer. ive no doubt about him on that hes always been the same. He never hides either but sadly hes just quite simply not very good. Its been said for yrs, hes not mentally in a game and its true in my view. He wants to be intrinsic to a game and tries hard to be, maybe too hard but never quite makes it. Theo would be great asset to Watford or WBA or maybe Palace. Thats his level. Bad as we were the game could have been won. Leics had no confidence either and wdt chance their arm. They wanted and nearly got a pen. The first effort justfied Drinkwater being booked for diving. Right in front of us that was. The ref did well not to fall for it but it needed yellow. Cdt tell on the 2nd as it was the other end. I dont think that was a pen either. It was cleverly orchestrated by the player to make it look as if hed been scissored. The ref got it right. The game wasnt so much boring, it was about Huth and Morgan dealing with nuisance flys and ants around them and swatting them away. A guy like Costa was needed to get in there and upset and shake them up, Distress them and cause trouble, get them booked I d have him at Arsenal in a heartbeat. He made for the PL. We would have won with such a top notch player. As it is, we cdt upset or distress a grannies tea party. We re feeble.

  68. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:42 #92154

    Jamerson : You a plonker .... Del Boy , chapter 3 - verse 28 - episode 115 .....Go forth my son.

  69. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:30 #92153

    Oh No, another wind-up to join Cock'o Leeky & Jamerson....Walter B, jog on to Untold where you belong....More comedy on the way, least it takes our mind off the clueless fraud...

  70. Paul Ward

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:30 #92152

    With Watford, S'oton and Hull the next three games we will be in full blown crisis mode if results do not take a significant turn for the better( ie 7 or 9 points). If they don't and we then lose at home to Chelsea( and let's face it we usually do) on Sept 24 th , Wenger will get absolutely slaughtered by press and fans alike. Feels like like the end game is fast approaching to me. Wenger / Gazidis / Kroenke out

  71. Peter Wain

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:18 #92151

    I thought we were poor especially up front . We lacked a cutting edge and did not seem likely to score. Defensively we did ok but probably should have conceded a penalty. Leicester are not a great side and with Liverpool losing to Burnley it looks as if a top four finish will be difficuly this year. Wenger has to buy before the Southampton game otherwise he will be gone by Christmas.

  72. Norsgeneral

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:14 #92150

    I disagree somewhat with your assumption Kev, that we will start to pick up points. I see the opposite. A poor result Saturday, with Utd City & the chavs all with winnable games, and they are almost over the hill and far away. With this happening and the realisation in the squad, that there will be no title challenge, yet again, they will pull up stocks and spend the next few months, going through the motions. I expect us to be hovering around mid table, after 10 games. Then the fun will really start. I really believe we are in for the type of season, last seen with GG demise. That's what you get for not moving forward and stagnating with an out of date manager.

  73. Exeter Gunner

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:10 #92149

    I've always found this concept of getting failed matches 'out of the way' a strange one, as if somehow a hurdle has been overcome, when in fact it has been tripped over, landing flat on the face. In a league season poor results are never 'out of the way'; the points dropped will be as relevant and 'in the way' in May as they are now. But I suppose Wenger treats the matches before the first international break as still pre-season, a time for experiments and messing about in the transfer market, so you can see where his fans get the idea that these matches don't really matter and can just be got 'out of the way' from.

  74. Walter B

    Aug 22, 2016, 13:02 #92148

    If we had of scored there was no way back for ze cheating Foxes and if I was the referee I would have sent at least two Lecester players off for simulation. Theo was very unlucky and Sanchez lead the line well. Agree with Super Fan and Wear your Colours that with 210% possession we should manage another goaless draw with Watford. Personally - I see us still as a top top 4 side for another decade with Arsene at the helm. Good old Toneee! My special Asano pen friend.

  75. GoonerRon

    Aug 22, 2016, 12:51 #92147

    A decent point gained in a game where considering the opening results for both teams, not losing seemed to be more crucial than going all out for the win. Even in the last 20 minutes when it opened up, it didn't properly open up. I thought Kos and Holding were excellent and Monreal did as good a job as a LB can do against Mahrez for the most part. Alexis up front isn't clicking at all, I'd prefer to give Akpom a shot than chance Alexis out of position. Xhaka steady. Coquelin combative, although it was a gamble to keep him on (though a second yellow for the foul on Mahrez would have been harsh), and he did make a great double tackle towards the end. Theo is getting his usual bashing but based on this performance it is unwarranted - no attacking player on the pitch was particularly effective going forward but he did his job defensively and took care of the ball pretty well too. Otherwise a functional performance without any verve until Ozil and, to a lesser extent, Wilshere were introduced. Points-wise a really poor start - at least that's two really tough fixtures out of the way - and hopefully the refs will continue to do us a favour now and again.

  76. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 22, 2016, 12:48 #92146

    Mark - the Mail summed that up pretty well , my recent favourite was the German journalist who said Wenger is a philosophy away from winning the title. Cracking quote ! Patrick Viera has joined in as well so the board won't like it! Let's hope they decide to cover up their own ineptitude by sacking Wengo forthwith.

  77. jjetplane

    Aug 22, 2016, 12:40 #92145

    Do remember Jamerson like the AKB seniors on here (remember them?) retired from the forum but of course Jamerson who seems a fairly lonely sort is still here. Not even remotely entertaining in the style of WestL and Baddie it is difficult to be bothered by posts from disturbed homophobic, misogynistic religious types who really are living out the dark ages. Read you on here for too long to bother with your 'comments' and that you are the only 'Wengerite' on here says everything though I reckon you are not really bothered but simply have to get on here as you know Untold would delete you after one 'biblical' post being as it is run by pre Berlin wall atheists and perhaps we could say Wenger is the Daddy of the Deviants in the way he has steered a decent football club down a non-football alley where overpriced food and 'corner of the eye' sports action is delivered in a style Dominos must be looking at carefully. See Neitszche for more on 'the death of God' - now there was a grand deviant, a true visionary.

  78. SuperFan Analysis

    Aug 22, 2016, 12:27 #92143

    I thought that had we scored just one goal in a game that actually finished 0-0, we would have collected all 3 points. Hopefully, if our players wear their goal scoring boots and they score one more than Watford, we can collect another 3 points. Fingers crossed! COYG!!

  79. Mark

    Aug 22, 2016, 11:43 #92142

    Daily Mail - Arsenal look hesitant in everything that they do on and off of the pitch. A perfect summing up for me of a Team Club Management board that has completely lost ist direction as well as its mojo. mediocre Standards compared to what City Utd Chelsea would accept. a complete lack of real high energy in everything this Club now does......

  80. Red Member

    Aug 22, 2016, 11:23 #92141

    the end is surely coming and I am hoping that it can be speeded up if we keep losing. I was therefore DISAPPOINTED that Leicester were not awarded a penalty on Saturday! One point won't make the slightest difference to us in the long run but back to back defeats would have really ramped up the pressure on Wenger

  81. Nick

    Aug 22, 2016, 11:18 #92140

    It is an indictment of our club and it's manager that they have managed to kill the excitement that the start of a new season used to bring ! We hear the same old excuses and clichés for not signing the requisite players and after embarrassing results ! Season after season this pantomime has been enacted surely it's time to pull the curtain down on this production? The focus on value for money that le fraud bangs on about does not it would appear extend to us supporters who are fleeced unmercifully then served up fare that a pig would turn it's snout up to ! The football is slow, ponderous even with no feel of urgency to it, players constantly making wrong decisions we look like a team of strangers who have never played together before and that is testament to the lack of proper coaching they get ! Leicester won the title because they had a TEAM where every component knew it's function and they worked in unison with each other ! The players must see the unrest from the supporters and see the lack of a coherent plan going forward from the management! Contrary to popular opinion players actually DO relish competition from new and important signings it shows then the club has AMBITION what our club shows our squad is the exact opposite! For the first time in over 55 years I am left feeling apathetic about a new season,I know whats to follow because I've seen this film before and to save myself hurt and to keep my blood pressure from the tipping point I've taken anot attitude of que sera ! I will NOT be attending games this season it's been getting increasingly difficult for my arthritic body to negotiate the travel etc and I refuse to put myself through the pain barrier when the club's management won't make a similar effort themselves in short after FIVE AND A HALF DECADES they have driven me to the periphery of the club i have loved and still do and always will but they will not longer have my "custom" yes custom because that is all we are to those in charge now and even in that respect they fail on customer service dismally! I shall watch on TV and I shall always HOPE for an Arsenal victory and enjoy it if and when we play well or try hard regardless of the result but I've been to my last game while this current bunch of con artists and frauds run our club !

  82. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 10:11 #92139

    Wear your colours : not sure about you, but I did not see many clear cut chances, 60% possession with not much chance of a goal, both sides were poor, very boring game...least Arsenal did not lose, but very little positives to take out of the game, bar Kos & Holding who both played well..we were lucky not to give 1, poss 2 pens...

  83. jeff wright

    Aug 22, 2016, 9:48 #92138

    Good point that Wear Yours that if we had scored a goal we would have won the game. Now who would have thought that. You couldn't make it up.

  84. Wear Your Colours

    Aug 22, 2016, 9:41 #92137

    I thought that was a good performance. We looked solid at the back and dominated the ball in midfield. We failed to open up their defensive back-line although we created several really good situations; if we had scored the first goal the points would have been ours. Let's hope we take our goal-scoring boots with us to Watford. COYG!

  85. Alsace

    Aug 22, 2016, 9:09 #92136

    I have just learned via the website that Joel Campbell has gone on loan in Portugal. I don't blame him. I didn't think that I could be more annoyed with OGL but this has managed it. Our only effective impact player has departed for the season. Well, I suppose it's all to the good as his departure can only bring forward OGL's ignominious exit. Oh yes, Here's a good one. What's the difference between Arsenal and a cocktail stick? A cocktail stick has two points. Boom Boom.

  86. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 9:06 #92135

    Good points re possession Hi Berry , Burnley this weekend shows that games can be won with next to no possession.. they had 20% and beat Liverpool 2-0...Id rather have that, then 80% and lose....

  87. Hi Berry

    Aug 22, 2016, 8:57 #92134

    Good old Tony Attwood.....Hooray, we won the possession league and pass success league last season a full 1% ahead of Man Utd in the first and almost 2% ahead in the second giving us an overall rating of 7.08! Poor old Leicester finished 18th and were therefore relegated. Leicester's success was apparently based on the interception rate which was 21.6 per game against our measly 19.4. Strangely enough Aston Villa's interception rate was second best at 20.2 per game, but we'll gloss over that because there were obviously other factors that made their interceptions less effective, although if I was a Villa fan I would be lobbying Uefa for a place in the Champions League based on those results. Where does the man get the time from to compile all these meaningless figures? Does he not have a wife, children, home and garden and social life?

  88. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 22, 2016, 8:53 #92133

    My goodness me Leekey , first we get the genitalia obsession from Jamerson for as we know when the going gets tough size queen Jambie starts wanting to know how we measure up and from you we get wage obsession that Old Man Colesey supermug used to get so piqued about. My that salary thank goodness makes any difference to contribution to this site, however I'm willing to guess that you got your first pay grade at 50p above minimum and this has made you very proud.

  89. goonersol

    Aug 22, 2016, 8:46 #92132

    Cock'o leeky & Jamerson : "you ain't No gooners Bruv"... Now jog on and take your medication.....Untold is awaiting your gems of wisdom, no point you being on here as you know sweet FA about Arsenal, otherwise you would came up with a Valid argument to defend Wenger...Oh, Just checked , there isn't one.....At least your comments keep us amused, comedy value, if nothing else.

  90. Leek fc

    Aug 22, 2016, 8:37 #92131

    These old plastic gooners do like to moan don't they Jamerson. Probably on the minimum wage or state pension. Anyway, first point in the bag away against the champions. Looking like a fine season ahead. Wenger must stay.

  91. David

    Aug 22, 2016, 8:16 #92130

    "Jamerson 23:43pm 21st Aug 2016 ... it's been proved over the years that negativity destroys confidence and brings the worst out of people,though positivity definitely brings success" I wouldn't say definitely, but I agree that you do better with a positive approach. Look at the Manchester clubs and Chelsea. They have all adopted a positive approach after a change of management. One of the problems with Wenger being in charge for so long is that things have become staid and it is hard to engender a positive approach to the status quo. In many ways it makes Ferguson's achievements at Old Toilet even more impressive. He stayed for 20+ years, kept a core of young players and changed backroom staff frequently. At points the crowd were negative, but he made his adjustments and proved them wrong, normally within a season. I am not convinced that getting shot of Wenger would improve anything, but I am convinced that things won't improve with him there. Last 16 in CL and 4th in the league is as good as it will get. For me, I see Arsenal as a top ten club in Europe who should aim to win the Champions League in the next ten years. This was what I expected when Arsenal left the old Arsenal Stadium. What has happened is an acceptance of self imposed limitations.

  92. Reg

    Aug 22, 2016, 8:01 #92129

    Spot on Big Dave re Campbell. What a shambles but he's well out of the **** storm that is coming.

  93. Made up Stat

    Aug 22, 2016, 7:49 #92128

    On the plus side for Wenger: He's picked up £2m in pay since the last Arsenal Premiership victory.

  94. David

    Aug 22, 2016, 7:47 #92127

    It may end up with just the 4th place trophy in London. Bad enough letting Chelski getting the run on us in recent years, but now Spuds and West Ham !! We will be no better than Palace, Fulham and QPR if this sh!t carries on.

  95. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 22, 2016, 7:38 #92126

    You pay yer money and really you have a right to boo. If the away end has turned its very bad news for Wengo. Especially when he's getting perilously close to insults claiming it costs nothing to boo. Excepting the major cost that up to 5 thousand are willing to spend supporting "over land and sea" ( do you know the song Jamie?) No thought not. Then we have the hypocritical old toss pot Tony Attwood claiming they are a closed shop?!? Whilst he creates a closed shop on his site for supporters who never attend. Like our old friend Walter Broekx. So there we have it the AKB are looking tired, out of touch, losing the argument . The WOB go from strength to strength .

  96. mbg

    Aug 22, 2016, 0:08 #92125

    Same old same old, that's good to hear, but lets hope minds aren't changed again and it's all forgotten about (as usual)after a win or two against relegation fodder, there's no better time for the wengers out chant after one of these wins. wenger out regardless.

  97. Jamerson

    Aug 21, 2016, 23:43 #92124

    Unfortunately Wrighty just lives of his emotions like most the WOBs thinking that the more negative they are the more likely they will force Arsenal to improve.It doesn't work like that I'm afraid as it's been proved over the years that negativity destroys confidence and brings the worst out of people,though positivity definitely brings success.Herbert Chapman and George Graham both commented that the boo boys were the cancer of AFC..

  98. mbg

    Aug 21, 2016, 23:27 #92123

    OrangeburgMike, and wrighty standing on the touch line commentating for BT sport before the match started I think ws asked would he come to/join Arsenal now ? shook his head and said no, OUCH, what does that tell us all, that will go down well at AKB central command, number one enemy now, I bet the dolls have been made and pins distributed and wanted posters already up,

  99. David

    Aug 21, 2016, 22:58 #92122

    Wenger will be out by Christmas. This has all the echoes of the 1983/84 season. After losing to United in two semis the season before, Neill needed a good start, but after losing to Liverpool and United at home early doors, all it took to see him off was a defeat to Walsall in late November. Wenger will meet much the same fate. Chelsea will do what United did this year and combined with defeats to Spurs and United in November, the 4th place trophy in the champions league group will see Wenger being pretty lonely this Christmas. Best we can hope for is he leaves Arsenal mid-table for the annual charge for 4th place. Top 3 looks sewn up.

  100. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 22:26 #92121

    Morning cock'o leeky : you choose to ignore the posts about wishing Wenger dead was in bad taste and not the done thing - and just like your view of Wenger , you only see want you want to see. You and Jamerson are a couple of parasites who know sweet FA cos you have no valid argument , jog on to Untold and worship at the alter of Wenger , don't forget to pop a tenner in the collection tray .

  101. mbg

    Aug 21, 2016, 22:19 #92120

    Mathew, it's not most teams, it's every team no matter who they are or where they're from, every one of them fancy their chances against us now, teams haven't been scared to play us for years, in fact teams love playing us as we're now seen as an easy touch thanks to a useless old manager and his long failed philosophies. wenger out now,

  102. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 21, 2016, 22:11 #92119

    Leek:- I fear the main trouble is your desperation to hold onto yesterday's man. The Away's are turning. I wish it was me who convinced them but it was not I. Just the evidence of their own eyes. The trouble ahead will be at Watford at home. Nothing less than a strong win will do but draw or lose and his number is increasingly up. Everyone (well apart from you, Jambie and crazy Tony) can see through it. Though even now I can imagine a Tony inspired reply asking me for proof of who everyone is name them he would say. Whilst the hypocritical old tosspot unscientifically lumps all away supporters together and allows attacks from the freaks on his site to defend his corner. You need to be a bit careful showing your sensitive side as some would make hay while the sun shines. I remember some comment about you eating digestives. Is the what the tantrum is about? Just to add post Wenger this site will still be very much alive as all of us will be giving out support to the new manager even if we think at the time that the board have got the wrong guy.

  103. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 21, 2016, 21:52 #92118

    Leek = deviant = caravan kidnap victim = no-one wants to pay the ransom that jamee son is demanding = soggy digestive muncher for the rest of his puff. Your amateurish use of plumbing imagery fails to mention the cyclical nature of water re-generation. Yellowish water, for example, that is trapped in a caravan toilet with masses of crusty andrex if you will (and I know you will), eventually runs into the sea and is turned back into fresh water. Following through (!) with that idea, you are evidently suggesting that the AMG position foresees a re-generation and freshening of the club, albeit one that is only achieved after a certain muddying of the waters...So by that token you could be suggesting that the water analogy is all about re-generating the club's fortunes. Bingo! Alternatively, you could be talking pish which you are wont to do. Indeed, I might as well if I was trapped in a rusty 23 ft Abbey caravan with only Jamee son and a gross of poundshop digeys for company. "Trouble is ahead" - Are you sure of that Leekie man? I could swear trouble was already here.

  104. Leek fc

    Aug 21, 2016, 21:26 #92117

    Mark from Aylsbury equals Bonzo equals Devils disciple . This site has dragged itself into a gutter and will be followed by the sewer. Wishing the Arsenal manager gone.....ok......wishing the manager dead..... Low life. Wake up online gooner. Trouble is ahead.

  105. Paul Ward

    Aug 21, 2016, 20:59 #92114

    Goonersol , will probably depend on the new managers results in the short term I suppose, judging by what's happened at Chelsea and Man City recently most fans seem to move on from former managers very quickly indeed, and let's hope when Wenger does go he doesn't "move upstairs", and cast a shadow over the new man. A clean break would be better .

  106. KC

    Aug 21, 2016, 20:27 #92113

    At Arseneknewbest, yes I do agree, although I would never put Groves or Hayes in Parlours world, Parlour made the most of all his talent and really added something to that team. Walcott was getting somewhere a few years ago especially when he and RVP were producing but has no doubt gone backwards. The Ox to me is a major disappointment, at least with Walcott you may get 10 goals and a few assists per season, the Ox has shocking end product and with that being the most important thing in football he is a passenger, also he will go missing when it gets tough, plays as if he does not want the ball, it's a shame as he has an awful lot of weapons but I think mentally very very weak.

  107. CORNISH GOONER

    Aug 21, 2016, 20:15 #92112

    Oh dear Arsene - yet another dreadful post match press conference. However, I fully support your concern for the welfare of "your employees" & trust that those at the bottom of the pile will now be paid a living wage instead of a pittance. You are right to resist buying new players because old guys (I include myself) are easily conned out of "their" money as their mental faculties decline &, anyway, you would not have a clue what to do with any half decent players that fell into your lap. Apart from that, I repeat an earlier request where i said that "a period of silence on your part would be welcome" & include your mate, the tiresome, unamusing Jamerson in that. On another point, what do you think about your kindly old boss, Stanley, relocating (evicting) residents from his "Waggoner Ranch" estate? They are going to be" a leetl bit short" of somewhere to live sooner than later.

  108. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 20:06 #92111

    Paul ward : do you think when Wenger leaves the AKBs will give the new manager a chance , or will we have the same feelings in reverse - the "be careful what you wish for " brigade will then kick off, as it's clear they love Wenger more than the club .

  109. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 21, 2016, 20:02 #92110

    KC - Fair comment about our erstwhile wingers. The point I was trying make was that Perry, MH and to some extent Ray P made up for technical deficiencies by working hard. Rocky and Freddie had both technique and work-rate. Feo, however, has neither. He's all show and no substance - a fragile, waxwork dummy coached in media manipulation but who is clueless about the game and phobic about putting his neck on the line. Ramsey and Ox are following in his path. They're anti-Arsenal players in essence yet they're nevertheless favourites of the hapless chihuahua. Chuba, JRA and Iwobi need to guard against this or their careers will plummet too. Three sh*ts in a fountain... Ron - thanks for posting that. Your strong sense of fairness is much more commendable than the anger I feel towards our trimvrate of tossers. Your and Kev's piece provide the background that the lazy media always omit. As others have said on here, sponsor pressure could prove to be significant. It was that that did for Blatter and his cohort of crooks.

  110. Paul Ward

    Aug 21, 2016, 20:01 #92109

    Whether people are for or against Wenger what cannot be denied by anyone is that he is now a divisive figure. A club whose fan base is split so vehemently against one another is not going to be successful on the pitch, so it makes sense to start afresh, united behind a new manager. Wenger out

  111. HowardL

    Aug 21, 2016, 19:27 #92108

    There is football enthusiasm at United, City, Chelsea, Everton, Southampton etc even Hull; yet our once great club, with it's money and impressive ground appears to be stuck in a massive rut with no way out.

  112. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 21, 2016, 19:16 #92107

    Jamerson - when the going gets tough you start obsessing about our genitalia. It's a common theme over the last few years. I'm not sure whether you need bigger testicles to love Wenger or hate him. I'd Imagine the two subjects do not correlate. Anyway if Leekey wants to return after recovering from the Digestives. He will be an ideal witness to the size of your plums as I understand he's up close and personal to them when he visits your caravan for your Manly activities (naked wrestling)

  113. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 19:12 #92106

    Jamerson : are you going senile- you post , then remove , then re post , another reason to confirm you are nothing but a fraud , just like your leader . .... You plonker .

  114. KC

    Aug 21, 2016, 18:55 #92104

    At DW Thomas, very good post. Agree almost word for word. At Arseneknew best, re Walcott, agree re Pires, Limpar, Rocky, Ray, etc, but Hayes and Groves, both worked hard but very little quality.

  115. Paul Ward

    Aug 21, 2016, 18:39 #92103

    Must admit I detect a difference in attitudes to Wenger this season, not only has the fan antipathy become more noticeable and audible, the previously supportive press are also on the turn, witness the Merses rant yesterday and John Cross on sky this morning. Wenger may be made of Teflon but he's not gonna survive the season if it continues like this, as for a new contract don't think he'll sign even if it's offered, which it won't be if things play out the way I anticipate on the pitch. Arsene, your time is up .

  116. BigDavethe Gooner

    Aug 21, 2016, 18:30 #92102

    Jamerson, all the Wenger must stay brigade I know are nerdy train spotters who know nothing about football and reading your posts would suggest your one of them!!!!

  117. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 18:17 #92101

    Jamerson : good stuff , more comedy gold . I doubt you are a gooner, just a wind up merchant who knows as much as Wenger ( sweet FA) come clean and tell us the truth.." .you can't handle the truth " hence you follow Wenger blindly , The AKBs are the ones with no mind of their own, following Their leader with no reason bar he was once great ? ....Your a plonker .... Del Boy , chapter 3 - verse 28 - episode 115 .

  118. John F

    Aug 21, 2016, 18:08 #92100

    Great post Ron agree with almost every word except I am not so confident that Wenger will not be offered a new contract.I was reading a match report by layth yousif in the Islington Gazette who said chatter within the club is that Stan is happy and may offer another contract to Wenger.If that's the case I would not want to bet against him accepting it as someone posted earlier he would not know what to do with himself if he retired.

  119. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Aug 21, 2016, 18:00 #92099

    City, Utd and Chelski already disappearing over the horizon,there is no way we will catch them even from this early part of the season. All down to the board and manager having zero ambition beyond increasing profit margins even higher. The players we needed to buy were all available and they have gone to the clubs that actually show sporting on-field ambition. All this horse **** about the 'qualitee' not being available is a bad joke and yet another lie. Thought Holding deserves a mention, he's been fantastic and obviously been coached well at Bolton. I fully expect his good defensive habits to fall by the wayside as he continues to be thrown to the wolves and could well be the next promising young player to be ruined by our clueless manager

  120. Bard

    Aug 21, 2016, 17:51 #92098

    Good post Ron. It does feel as though things are shifting. He is clearly feeling the pressure. If he is getting the hump already he wont last the season. It already looks like normal service being resumed with Chelsea and the 2 Manchesters in a different league. He has got himself in a terrible pickle over his transfers and having his b**** tweaked by other clubs. The longer he doesnt buy the higher the price will be. if he doesnt strengthen he leaves the side weakened and another potential hammering is on the cards. The truly shocking issue is what the hell was the sumer plan for upgrading the team or maybe there just wasnt one. Many journos are saying that Arsenal get deal almost done but the Weng cannot bring himself to push them through.

  121. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 17:47 #92097

    Jamerson: another nugget, well played . It's not just 1 loss you plonker- it's 10 seasons of lies and spin, just cos u can't see past your Wenger tinted glasses : as for the aggro, it well documented that it's the AKBs who take exception to Wenger Out and kick off , grabbing flags etc --- you blinding support Wenger but have NEVER come up with a valid reason why he should stay , apart from your bible bashing quotes .

  122. DW Thomas

    Aug 21, 2016, 17:40 #92096

    Ridiculous. We will be nowhere near the title and we all know it. Every season we lack 2-3 top players, including always a very good striker. Wenger is the king of snake oil salesmen. A master of BS! City and United look stronger than they have in a few years. Both are coached by top coaches who have won everywhere they've been. Compare Pep and Mo to Arsene. 20 years in the job and no title in going on 12 years? No deep CL run either. Arsenal fans are the most patient, complacent fans on the planet. Long gone are the days of the Invincibles, even Fabregas was in a better squad than we have now. Depressing and boring, this club is run by cheapskates with no ambition. Greedy men that don't value even the challenge of winning, let alone trophies themselves. Ozil and Samchez will be long gone in a year or two, leaving behind sub standard players like Walcott and Ramsey. Ever present, ever failing. That should be our motto. Victory through harmony? Not without a few better players.

  123. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 17:22 #92095

    No point chanting "spend some f***** money" as he has no clue what to do with the current players, let alone any new ones . Best chant would be " Wenger out" or words to that affect . Let's hope the players care and do something for us fans , cos they are not getting any tactical help from Wenger ....it could all be over by mid sept as far as top 4 is concerned .

  124. Ian Ure's Son

    Aug 21, 2016, 17:09 #92094

    The key issue is whether Wenger has lost the dressing room. There is enough talent for Arsenal to finish Top Four (but not to win the PL) even after a poor start, but it's not clear that that will happen this year, particularly if Ozil and Sanchez have worked out they're wasting their time. Once players work out that the whole plan is to just buy and develop youth for balance sheet purposes, and not recruit and spend to win, they will check out psychologically. And as Thierrry has pointed out, only youngsters looking to improve will want to join. Patrice Evra got it right a few years ago - Arsenal is just a finishing school for Europe's top clubs.

  125. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 21, 2016, 16:34 #92093

    Ron - you are a very fair man, perhaps too fair to Wengo? Anyway the summing up was excellent. the board 25 years ago would have probably done the right thing, Dein (let's forget his love of Wenger) pushed the button on Rioch. This board now are terrified of change and are incompetent in football matters. However good Gazidis might be as a lawyer he comes across as an oaf in football matters. Therefore what I'm getting to is every Arsenal supporter who has the energy or attitude to do it , should slate Wenger at every opportunity. When the board finally understand that they have marketing poison then action may happen. A sad part of the modern game but I wonder if Puma might tap somebody on the shoulder at the Emirates.

  126. Ron

    Aug 21, 2016, 16:20 #92092

    Thanks Kev - i was there yesterday too. Youve about summed it up. Theres not much more that i or anyone can say. I ve not seen a 'live' game until yesterday since last October. Yesterday, having played to a reasonable level myself i and many others can tell when players arent doing it for a Coach. Quite a few of those yesterday looked barely fit. Oddly enough, it was a game Arsenal could and should have won in my view. Leics actually showed us a lot of respect when really they needn't have done so. It held them back, though Huth and Morgan on their own could have held out v Arsenal yesterday for another half a day i thought, such did they dominate our week kneed, week willed attacks. Walcott looks a player who know the fans no longer rate or want about the place. As for many years, the crossing was as bad as i see in Sunday football, though it didnt really matter as crosses to nothing in the middle were all futile. Nobody was ever going to get on the end of them. Sanchez looked unfit and disinterested. Giroud came on. Why did he bother? Loped about like a beachcomber searching for sea shells. Cazorla? Looks fat and slow, maybe past his best. Cech - does he now think hes a ball playing full back? Kos - played well. The lad Holding was excellent, though Leics never really got at him. Bellerin - commited and fast. Very good. Cant see him staying at Arsenal very long. Hes too good for our level. Granit - tidy at best. Monreal - his usual steady self.The Ox - flatters to decieve and he couldnt cross for sausage. Ozil - made some effort when he cam on too late. Wilshere - i thought he looked ok and added a bit of polish to what was a tepid half hearted AFC performance. Theres no title coming to N7 and thats a fact. I too, do not want Wenger given too much cash. Hes been a good man and good Coach and his efforts in his first decade were really good, close on excellent. His efforts this last decade to steer the Club through the change havent been great on the pitch but off it, hes leaving the Club in a good place to focus on the pitch now, but another man needs to do it. Wenger is and looks tired. Hes entitled to be at 66 in that pressured type of work. After seeing that yesterday and being a bloke reared on Radford Kennedy Mc Lintock George Wilson and Armstrong and Co, i felt sorry for the Club for the first time in my life. On the pitch at least we are aimless and in large part uninteresting. I didnt sing 'spend some f-----g money' or 'we want Wenger out' as im from a generation that doesnt do so. I agreed with the sentiment though and it was the majority of our away end that sung it raucously . I just think now that we should support these players through the Season and forget the Wenger issue. Its not worth debating anymore. He and the Club should formalize the announcement that hes going in May and that we just do our best with what we ve got. Again, there were skirmishes amongst our own fans at the end over a pro or anti Wenger view and this was occurring in the seats as fans were heading out from the stadium. This is even sadder, though its amongst the moronic section of our fans in truth, a few who were clearly boozed up or high on some thing or other. I took my Sister to the game and shes not been to a footie match for 25 yrs. She turned towards and asked me towards the end of the game 'if Arsenal cared' very much? I couldn't answer her but more than understood the question. Lastly, thank you Leics. Its a nice stadium, lovely people, who i know well from yesteryear and a fantastic atmosphere there. I hope they do well again. Their team will wished they had gone for it a bit more yesterday v a team devoid of a plan or passion.

  127. BigDavethe Gooner

    Aug 21, 2016, 16:10 #92091

    So our esteemed leader thinks it wise to send Joel Campbell on loan,what the hell is he playing at? We're bereft of any quality going forward and though not a Pires or Overmarrs he certainly puts in a shift and looks likes he can be arsed,Wenger hang your head in shame,not only don't you know the transfer market you don't know the players in your squad. Walcott has started abysmally and should have been shipped out,sure he,ll have a run of scoring goals but over the coarse of a season it will look pathetic and feeble.Its about time Wenger realised he's no longer wanted at this club,he's a busted flush and there's no future with his out dated philosophy. He can come out with you haven't had 10 minutes in football but I can tell him I,ve had 47 ŷears supporting this club and I know what it stands for!!!!!!

  128. Arseneknewbest

    Aug 21, 2016, 15:54 #92090

    Kev - Thanks. You say of Walcott, "He's no Robert Pires". He's also no Perry Groves, George Armstrong, David Rocastle, Martin Hayes, Brian Marwood, Freddie Ljungberg, Ray Parlour, Anders Limpar or any of a host of other decent wingers we've had down the years. He's more in the mould of Glen Helder or Chris Kiwomya, two others who, like Feo, are not up to standard. Complete p*ss. Didn't watch the lowlights and didn't not hear weng's post-match comments which sound typically irritating. He's a stain on the club and it will be best for all concerned if we get another hiding from Watford like we did in the FAC last season.

  129. Jamerson

    Aug 21, 2016, 15:40 #92089

    The WOBs haven't had a pair of stones for years.Most of them are only fit for victory parades with the majority having thrown the towel in before the season starts.Before you all blame Wenger this was always the case with many back in GG's days with the tiresome 'Arsenal action group'.If these folks lived in OT times they wouldn't even be allowed in the temple.Deuteronomy 23:1 He who is wounded in the stones, or has his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the assembly of the LORD.

  130. Same old, same old

    Aug 21, 2016, 15:36 #92088

    Paul Ward, sorry, to clarify it was pretty much the whole away support singing "spend some f***ing money" but about a quarter singing "we want Wenger out". Not as many as I would have liked but it still felt like a significant shift in attitudes after the pathetic 'protest' non event at home late last season. Perhaps the minority that weren't imploring him to spend some money feel, as I do, that it would be better saved for a new manager to spend.

  131. mbg

    Aug 21, 2016, 14:39 #92087

    Yea hah, yippee we drew with the champions, what an achievement, (is there a trophy for that)plenty of getting moist in central command last night I bet, we're up and running, it's on. wenger out.

  132. jjetplane

    Aug 21, 2016, 14:34 #92086

    So now Wenger's 600 disciples are saying they won the PL last year if you look at possession stats and Leicester are an evil thing. Not much on the referee for once who gave Asano a point of pity yesterday. Together with the evil away supporters Arsenal under the fake CEO who employs another CEO and then does his job are on a hiding to nothing with Amy Lawrence and the soft WOB front niggling away at the Attwoodian edifice. Good clean up job on UA and cheques will be in the post across the globe where no doubt the posters (the '600') are all wearing Asano shirts as they pray in unison to the Idi Amin of the PL. Hear the one about the doctor in the jungle who bored the inhabitants ****less!? lol! Oh and not so fast on swords and Watford spins - I see a football lesson on the horizon and a 2m CB in trauma ....

  133. Paul Ward

    Aug 21, 2016, 14:25 #92085

    Disappointed to read only a quarter of the away end joined in the spend some money chants yesterday. What the hell is wrong with the other 2,250? Can't believe there are still people willing to stand by this ruinously complacent regime, by all means sing your hearts out for the players at Vicarage Road, but try growing a pair everyone and make it known what we all want, before, at half time and after the game : spend some f....g money. Wenger Out

  134. bromley boy

    Aug 21, 2016, 14:13 #92084

    unless the current board go or are bought out any new manager will be in the mould of Wenger chosen by Wenger probaly. we need a change or expect more of the same

  135. mbg

    Aug 21, 2016, 14:02 #92083

    Hope Kevin ? hope ? there's no hope and there's never has been any hope, and ther never will be any hope as long as this old past it excuse for a manager is in charge, (we'd be far far better off with Bob Hope) we'll never have any hope until we get rid,here's hoping it's tonight. No hoper out.

  136. mbg

    Aug 21, 2016, 13:41 #92082

    Surely the ref can't be taking the blame from TOF and his goonies today. we want wenger out now.

  137. 80's Gooner

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:55 #92081

    20 years ago Wenger along with Van Gaal & Cappello were probably the top football coaches in Europe. However, in recent years all three of the above-mentioned have proved to be well past their sell buy date. I'm not going to dish his record, he gave me some of my happiest moments as an Arsenal fan & will probably go down as our greatest Manager to date. The problem isn't just the manager its also the board. CL qualification means nothing now due to the new TV deal. Kroenke is just using AFC as equity for his US interests, you have to be concerned when you hear the likes of Eddie Howe (the new Owen Coyle) being linked with the managers job & the chairman talking up bargain basement transfer targets. The reason we haven't signed anyone yet is because our squad is too big.No one wants to buy any of our players. We couldn't even get shot of our Polish international keeper we could only loan him out. So unless we can offload Theo or the OX in the next 10 days don't expect to see any new faces, also don't be surprised to see Juve come in with another bid for Sanchez before the end of the transfer window. I predict a 7th place finish this season with elimination from all major comps by mid March. This maybe Wengers last season but don't expect this board to come up trumps with his replacement. It may take a flirtation with bottom half of the table post Wenger to wake them up.

  138. jjetplane

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:54 #92080

    Great stuff Kevin as always and interesting now that the AKBs are blaming the away support now - that is the very far away AKBs in Dubai, Belgium, Thailand, take your pick. Arsenal were lucky and the sarcastic, arrogant Wenger is carping on about a 2m diamond who has played two games but is now top top .... while also under the delusion that he pays the 600 employees at AsanoFC out of his own pocket. Talks and looks like a supermarket CEO and half as interesting and the sooner he gets on the Walmart board as consultant the better. Leicester are having a hangover from I do believe being last season's rightful champions of the PL. Still - they should have had all 3 points and Coquelin (watch Granite too) will soon be doing their first suspensions for trying to impersonate hard men lol! Anyway at a cracker yesterday in the FA Cup prelims where we battling and got a last minute equalizer against a seemingly better Newhaven. Love football, hate Asano FC! ps Walter has passed his online (dodgy) ref exams so expect lots of **** reports about nothing from far far away. Very quiet on the Foxes' penalty lol! Salutations to the away gooners who Atwood refers to as a closed shop. What a ****ing insult!

  139. Orangeburg Mike

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:51 #92079

    I think Thierry is right. We are not a club that a major talent wants to join. Wenger is seen as an erudite and cultured man but not a winner anymore. That may work for a young player wanting a period under him as a plus on his cv, but not for an established star who wants to win things. We picked up a couple of good players in Ozil and Alexis, but let's not rewrite history: both were players their clubs wanted to offload. Suarez is the one acquisition that might have changed things, but who knows whether that was ever a real possibility. We will stay this way till we get a manager with a real will to win.

  140. KC

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:48 #92078

    Thank you Kevin, another honest report. They should have had a pen no doubt although I don't think they deserved all 3 points. The lack of transfers really bugs me but it's our football that is the reason Wenger should go. It is dire, slow, no cutting edge offensively, and when we play top level teams defensively it's poor. We are boring to watch when a team sits deep, and this is when top players with individual brilliance come to the fore, your centre forward scoring out of nothing, your 15 goal a season wide man taking one of the chances that come his way, your attacking midfielder getting in the box to finish...... Sadly we don't have them anymore.

  141. Jamie

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:43 #92077

    @ Post No. 97543 : There's a comma for a pause before "on paper".

  142. Bard

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:37 #92076

    Look guys, the Weng was spot on about protecting all the employees at the theatre of nightmares. If you remember my one time better half Helen left me for a full time post body searching wobs for anti Wenger paraphernalia. She was reprimanded in her first few months for being overly enthusiastic which resulted in several hospitalisations and costly law suits which the club have been funding under the pseudo name of UA incorp. This is the real reason why we have been slack in the transfer market. Helen tells me that the Weng is now committed to helping all those employed on the minimum wage with the full support of Stan.

  143. David

    Aug 21, 2016, 12:18 #92075

    "anything but a win at Watford will see things get very ugly..." - Yep, the international break will mean it will be the home game against Southampton that the Gunners could turn up 10 or 11 points off from one of the Manchester clubs at the top, no new signings and a very difficult Champions League draw in the pipeline. Should make for a very tense atmosphere. If Wenger doesn't get at least four points from the next two fixtures, he will have to go.

  144. Nozzer

    Aug 21, 2016, 11:41 #92073

    Wengers comments were bizarre but the interviewer did not challenge him on the tactic of crossing and playing the ball in the air to a 5 foot 7 winger playing as a centre forward. We need reinforcements at centre forward and centre back as we all know but there is still a lot of talented players there. He is not getting the best out of them. That's his ultimate failing for me

  145. Cyril

    Aug 21, 2016, 11:34 #92072

    Oh would be be great to get a breakdown of these 600 staff. I'm sure somebody could provide this. All I know is, if it includes the people serving beer and food,that has got to be about 150 to 200. They are all on minimum wage and they make plenty to pay the staff. The stewards are on about 50 quid if that. I'm sure they can come up with an apprentice barman scheme to keep down costs or local ad for volunteers. We're skint down ere, help us out!!!

  146. Goonersol

    Aug 21, 2016, 11:11 #92071

    Lucky Arsenal ?? More like lucky Wenger , if He is so concerned about running costs of club, why not take a pay cut of 50%, that will help pay staff for a few years - what a joker . Clueless on and off the pitch , Arsenal looked poor , very few clear chances , all down to the fool on the bench .....Wenger out.

  147. Keep Wenger

    Aug 21, 2016, 11:10 #92070

    Can you explain your comment that Leicester won the league 'on paper'? From what I remember they won the League by 10 points just losing 3 games all season. Arsenal were lucky to finish 2nd in a 2 horse race

  148. Cyril

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:59 #92069

    If the away end are calling for Wenger's head then that is really significant. It 's all his own doing. Every year there is an excuse for a slow start. The last couple ofcourse revolve around tournaments and injuries but when we finish 4th- yep you guessed it, it is about the qualifying game which causes us an issue. Nothing like dampening our hopes immediately so we know our place. The cerebral message is that we are going for fourth and lock that into your psyche. I don't like to keep knocking the guy. But what can you say, what is there to say!!

  149. N4

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:50 #92068

    Wibblefish, I totally agree with you. My view is and and I've done it is to stop going to the game, I don't pay sky either or any other TV station. My family life comes first then Arsenal way down the list...can't believe that it used to be second...! Time has changed except Arsene!!!

  150. Hiccup

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:48 #92067

    I'm actually starting to warm to Wenger again. I love his contradictory post match statements. In one breath we have to be careful what we spend so the wages can be paid, and in the next breath we can spend £300m. Now most reasonable fans can spot the bull that Wenger spouts, but what I love about these absurd statements is that the AKB's feel the need to defend everything he says. And that's where the fun is for me. Listening to someone talk crap is one thing, but listening to someone defend and elaborate on such crap is even funnier. And that's where Untold and the 2 remaining AKB's on here have their uses. Wenger must stay! Loving it!

  151. wibblefish

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:40 #92066

    It didn't have to be like this. He could have walked away in 2012 with his head held high. But no, big business saw Wenger as a cash cow and gave him another contract. Has Pep or Mourinho ever concerned themselves with the annual staffing bills. No, they concentrate on winning football games. Our manager concentrates on managing the whole club including the cleaning rota, ticket sales and now can you believe it.... human resources. Madness! My concern is he is in so deep and the American is so desperate to keep him that we will see him for another few years yet. We can but pray, but don't hold your breath.

  152. Same old, same old

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:26 #92065

    A fair write up Kevin. This season felt like a write off before a ball was kicked and I've seen nothing so far to change my mind. We'll be back to the usual scrap for 4th whilst the really ambitious trio that changed managers this summer leave everyone else in their wake. I hope you're right that the board have decided that there'll be no new contract for Wenger but I fear that a few wins against bottom half sides will convince them otherwise. I'm hoping that we dont spend any more money this summer, partly because i think he'll waste it, partly because i want it kept back for a new manager to sort this mess out and partly because i want to see an increasingly tetchy Wenger try to justify himself after every poor result. Good to be there when the away support properly turned yesterday. That wasn't a few noisy dissenters but probably a quarter of the away end. If we fail to beat Watford then it might get ugly.

  153. GoonerGoal!

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:26 #92064

    Still don't care, still won't care until Wenger has gone... KROENKE/GAZIDIS/WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  154. Smithy

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:23 #92063

    Watched MOTD - from the "highlights" it appears we were dire.we seem very low in confidence and have no spark bar Ozil.We need a defender, creative winger and forward ASAP.

  155. Mathew

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:20 #92062

    Thanks Kev for your report. A telling tale from our matches recently is we have lost the fear factor as a team, move to Emirates may have scuppered it and we are slowly progressing to be a midtable team. I think its fair to say that most of the teams arent scared to play against us, well if Burnley can win against Liverpool they can win against us too. Wenger's tactics have been sloppy and casual and the team haven't got anywhere better than previous years. A fresh mind is what it calls for and a different outlook to the team and players is what could turn the clubs fortunes, before Ozil and Alexis leaves us.

  156. Augustus Flair

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:09 #92061

    Fair report, Kev, but Leicester have looked atrocious so far this season and we should be beating them if we have any realistic hopes this year - but we didn't and we haven't. Burnley beating Liverpool also throws the first game into sharper relief, as you point out. Cue everyone, me included, saying the same old things for the next nine months; that's how far we've sunk under the yoke of this stubborn and inept old man.

  157. Hunter

    Aug 21, 2016, 10:09 #92060

    Nice piece Kevin, thank you. Wenger really has lost the plot hasn't he? The crap that comes out of his mouth, incredible. I particularly love his moaning about the premium you have to pay when sellers know you have money. I don't remember him being quite so negative about it when we received ridiculous amounts from City and Barcelona for the likes of Adebayor, Clichy, Toure, Hleb, Vermaelen, Song. I dream of the day he finally slopes off with his big pile of cash. Let someone else have a go.