A Long Goodbye for Jack Wilshere?

Online Ed: A case of better late than never for Arsenal’s summer 2016 transfer window



A Long Goodbye for Jack Wilshere?


So, in the end, Arsenal finally spent some money. A net spend of £85 million. The figure at least is a statement of intent, the delay in spending it could prove terminal as far as this season’s title tilt is concerned.

To be precise. I think it’s fair to say that they could have probably acquired the two players announced this week for the same, and quite possibly less money a few weeks ago, but Arsenal being Arsenal, they tried to play hardball. And ended up with a side that was, in the manager’s own words “not ready” for the start of the season.

£35 million for a centre back might have sounded a lot not so very long ago, although Rio Ferdinand cost Manchester United £30 million 14 years ago and proved a decent investment. However, in the past year or two, the ever growing influx of money into the Premier League means that this is the going rate these days. If Arsenal won’t pay it, another club will. The suspicion is that without the injuries to both Mertesacker and Gabriel, the manager might have gambled with just the purchase of Rob Holding for the central defensive position, but events forced his hand, which is probably why the Mustafi was left so late. How long will he take to settle in? Hopefully not long, but at least a much needed player has been purchased.

The central holding midfield position was addressed nice and early with the purchase of Granit Xhaka before the Euros, although – with him having played a part in the pre-season friendlies – why he did not start against Liverpool on the opening day is a real headscratcher. Why pay £34 million for a player and then bench him?

And so to the third position that needed addressing and the acquisition of Lucas Perez from Deportivo. A gamble for sure, more of a gamble than a Lewandowski or a Griezmann, but also, dare one suggest, perhaps a case of Arsene listening to his scouting network. An attacking midfielder converted into a forward, let’s see if he starts in preference to Olivier Giroud. The selection of Alexis at centre forward against Watford suggests he will get the chance to prove his worth while the HFB contemplates his next hairstyle on the sidelines.

Arsenal still have plenty of cash in the bank, but it is surely a relief that they have spent and – realizing that it was time to join the party – spent significantly. Fans wanted quality in three areas perceived as weak down the spine of the team, and three players have been bought. How successful they make the side remains to be seen, but with the fresh impetus at clubs more familiar with winning titles over the last decade, something had to be done. Let us be thankful it has been.

Going out, the three notables. Serge Gnabry was sold, and with one year on his contract, and no obvious indicator that he was going to come back from the Olympics and begin matches in one of the wide berths, there was little point in retaining him just to allow him to go on a free transfer next summer. He did have misfortune with injury just as he was hitting his stride in the first team back in 2013-14, but then came a season out through injury followed by last season’s disastrous loan spell at West Brom. The very fact that he was sent to work under Tony Pulis was telling. One suspects that was the real moment the manager decided Gnabry was not for him. If he really fancied him, he’d have kept him at the club and allowed him to compete with the other wide attackers for a first team place.

Surely Jack Wilshere’s Arsenal career is over. You don’t send a player of his age and reputation out on loan unless there are no plans for him to contribute in future. I wonder if this is a case of Jack proving he can remain fit so that Arsenal can get a better price for him next summer? There were such high hopes for him before the injury in 2011, in a pre-season friendly, that put paid to his progress for the next 12 months. Although he returned and played a significant number of games from the end of 2012 for two years, since then he has made five Premier League appearances in two and a half seasons. The sad reality is that, with his consistent setbacks, he has become another Abou Diaby. He should have been the cornerstone of Arsenal’s future, but it never worked out. There is an argument to say that the club should keep him and utilise his talents, but the evidence is that – certainly at Arsenal – he can’t stay fit. And even allowing for the lack of match fitness, he looks a shadow of the player we hoped he would become, as witnessed by his by and large uninfluential contributions to the English national side in the Euros. Both Fabio Capello and Roy Hodgson rated him very highly, and he has put in some better performances for England than he did for Arsenal in recent years. It will be enlightening to see whether he stays fit and how well he contributes under Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. It’s also interesting to note that it has transpired the player was open to joining up with his mate Wojciech Szczesny at Roma, which would have been more of a challenge than another Premier League club, but that Arsenal took the deal that was best for them, financially, rather than give the player the choice. Having paid him so much over the years, that is their prerogative.

I can understand the sadness and frustration about Wenger letting Jack go out on loan, and the implications for his future at the club, but the cold hard facts are that they have invested a lot of money to retain his services in recent years, for limited return. If Wilshere had become the holding midfield maestro that Capello and Hodgson felt was his best role, there would have been no need to sign Granit Xhaka. However, at least at Arsenal, it felt as if Jack never got hold of the disciplined fundamentals of the position, so was utilized as a more attacking option. Mesut Ozil fills the role best suited to Jack as a more advanced midfielder, so he ends up as a square peg in a round hole out wide, in a place where the club have a number of more natural options. With Wilshere, it really feels as if the manager has finally lost patience. I am certain his lifestyle away from the pitch has not helped his cause much, and Wenger has rarely indulged ‘bad boys’ for too long. Jack’s talent – and probably his injuries – meant he was tolerated for longer than many, but ultimately, this does look like the beginning of the end.

Will Arsenal miss him? Probably not based on his contribution in the last two years. Reports of fresh injuries or recovery setbacks have become a standing joke. Will he remain fit and fulfill his potential under a different regime? For his own sake, let’s hope so. Sam Allardyce will need convincing if he is to return to the national side, but now, at least, the player has the opportunity to get some extended first team action under his belt and play his way into form.

The third notable exit – at least on loan – is Calum Chambers. For £15 million, he was a real punt, given his relative lack of experience. Two seasons on, and the arrival of Mustafi means he is effectively surplus to requirements, suddenly behind £2 million Rob Holding in the pecking order. Sometimes it seems that Arsenal buy Southampton youngsters based on the reputation of their academy, paying a lot of money in the process, but that they don’t seem to work out. Spot the odd one out – Walcott, Bale, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Chambers. One of those has two Champions League winners’ medals, but hey, at least they were not won before 2014.

So, on top of the of end of contract departures of Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky (two perennially injured players and another well past his prime), the club have lost the potential of Gnabry, given up on Wilshere, and, one suspects, also called time on Chambers’ long term prospects (effectively replacing him with Holding). However, they have spent big on two players, and hopefully taken an intelligent punt on a striker.

They have already lost ground on three of the title favourites, and one suspects the new players will take a little while to adapt and settle. A shame only one of the three deals was concluded before the season started, but the late supermarket dash so often seems to be the Arsenal way.

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  1. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 05, 2016, 8:54 #92821

    Goonerron - I'm sure mbg will have his own views but for me, seeing capello - an ac milan legend - coming back to manage the club, had a reasonably neat symmetry about it. Montella, the present incumbent, and another player we never but nearly signed many years ago, was somewhere else. We could have followed suit by inviting GG to warm the bench - imagine the rather mixed reception he'd have got - now there's proper news-making for you. You will agree with me surely that he is more of a legend than the chihuahua accountant. A kind of event to bring back successful old players AND managers if you will. So weng stood out like a sore thumb that afternoon - mbg is right in his analysis. Christ, I'd have even taken Terry Neill, Bruce Rioch or Pat Rice (who thankfully was there) over weng (you'll see I omitted Stewart Houston though so I'm not biased am I!!?!!). As we all all know, weng has p*ssed away his legacy after a decade of scrimping, poor management and tactics and a complete disregard for the fans. No legacy, and certainly no legend status for good old "Mr Wenger", neither now nor in the future.

  2. GoonerRon

    Sep 04, 2016, 23:34 #92817

    @ mbg - you are unreal. Wenger was "hogging the limelight" by smirking and grinning?!! How would you have preferred he conducted himself in the midst of a light-hearted friendly match for charity?

  3. mbg

    Sep 04, 2016, 13:06 #92809

    ArseneKnewBest, some good examples of TOF's legends there alright, a few more on show yesterday too, was that Cygan I spotted (what the fook they were doing wearing an Arsenal shirt again god knows) arsene fc legends are certainly different to Arsenal FC Legends alright, and we all know what their legendry for. wenger out now.

  4. jjetplane

    Sep 04, 2016, 12:19 #92808

    Over on Untold they are stating if they had to explain everthing it would get bit (sic) tedious. They also tediously lecture about how since the youth teams have stopped winning things more are coming through. ..... Walking in a Walter Wonderland ....

  5. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2016, 12:01 #92807

    Oh Leekey a question for you it is of course hypothetical. Mahrez and Vardy are approached by Pepe, Maureen, Klopp and Wengo. Of those who would they have rejected?

  6. jjetplane

    Sep 04, 2016, 11:56 #92806

    I sympathize with Leekie as I find it hard enough remembering who is in the present squad. Remember when our stars were sporting underwear on giant billboards in Manhattan. I guess today's equivalent might be Santi (see Santos) modelling men's corsets with the new tight look in mind ..... Still trying to work out who is the lanky old one who looks like an ostrich. Still trying to remember little Jack - how long has he been 'gone' now? lol! ****ing club(bing) legend ....

  7. GS

    Sep 04, 2016, 9:34 #92805

    Leeky, leeky are you there - You only have 7 more legends to find now. Did they not come to you in your sleep ? Come on leeky , legends bought in by Wenger and nurtured into greatness by your leader since 2006, can't be that difficult - can it ??

  8. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2016, 9:18 #92804

    It's a trap for Leekey isn't it. Soon as he starts going on about Legends he's then left exposed with the lack of development / success in the last 10 years. Of course Leekey conveniently forgets Wengo also inherited the best 4 in the country.. 2 more for you Eboue and Luzhny

  9. mbg

    Sep 04, 2016, 1:12 #92803

    Leek fc, the majority off those guys were legends when your messiah was still prancing about in Monaco and Japan getting the sack and long before he was ever heard tell off on these shores, TA, NW, DS IW LD, RP, MK, etc, etc, were made by George Graham, the rest were legends in their own right at their respective clubs before they came here and only grew to prominence because of the likes of those players mentioned distilling leadership, a winning mentality, never say die, never give up take no shyte attitude, an Arsenal ethos, and real mental strength and speeritt in to them, (after that they needed no coaching and any manager worth his salt would have got more out of them and brought them on further) and they in turn passed it on as others left until they were all eventually cleared out for a pet project (which failed miserably)until there was no one left of any use to pass anything on or instil anything into anybody, (especially a manager)as has been plain to see for the last ten years) it's thanks to these players (and George Graham) that TOF is where he is today without them he'd have been found out within a few years and a nobody now, it's TOF who's been living off them and dining out because of them and their exploits and know how since he came here. No your messiah is no legend (only in your and the rest of the AKB's minds)and never will be. wenger out now.

  10. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 03, 2016, 23:09 #92802

    GS - I prefer the first version actually. Our erstwhile spanish gk was certainly a lightweight who lacked steel. And opposing players always managed to foil him. When the chihuahua finally sold him, I experienced unalloyed ecstasy. By the way, don't worry because Leekie can't read (and his carer is off for sixteen weeks following a serious breakdown). Leekie will remain schtum on the contemporary legends eleven, but how about places for Santos, Denilson, Bischoff and dear old Franny Jeffers? Oh and Bendtner, natch.

  11. GS

    Sep 03, 2016, 22:22 #92801

    Typo leeky- Almunia, but you knew that I hope.

  12. GS

    Sep 03, 2016, 22:12 #92800

    Leeky : to help you il give you 2 to start you off , stepanovs & alumina, you only have 9 to find.

  13. GS

    Sep 03, 2016, 22:02 #92799

    Leeky: bit of homework for you , come up with a team of 11 legends as you call them since 2006 , not including any players who played today ( Dennis & TH included) So we can see how many Wenger has produced as you seem to thinks all his own work .

  14. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 03, 2016, 21:38 #92798

    Leekey - who are our legends in the last 10 years? Old Wengo is a bit like Bette Davis turning up in some ropey 70's low budget film. All it does it make you think of how far things have fallen from the days of their peak.

  15. Leek fc

    Sep 03, 2016, 21:25 #92797

    mbg. I'd be smirking and grinning too if I knew that the legends on the pitch were all of my own work. It was Arsenal Legends, and Mr Wenger is very much entitled to be honoured as a LEGEND too. Genius Wenger must stay.

  16. JM - LONDN

    Sep 03, 2016, 18:51 #92796

    I would love to have seen wallcot & Giroud pushed out. Just two overpaid liabilities.

  17. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 18:47 #92795

    ArseneKnewBest, yes mate he even had to hog the limelight in that match too, smirking and grinning, you'd think he'd have let or allowed a true legend (not an old fraud like himself) stand in for the match, i didn't hear any crap about mental strength or speeritt, maybe because there was no need to make it up where most of these guys were concerned as they had it in abundance long before he arrived or came on the scene. wenger out.

  18. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 18:19 #92794

    GS, and that's why their not mate, because they ARE legends and still well thought of, and dare I say it loved and would know what their doing and talking about and would take no crap off/from TOF and wouldn't be afraid to say it or tell him and see through him straight away, that's why none of themes there. Go now wenger.

  19. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 18:03 #92793

    You can just imagine some of those legends arriving at Arsenal under wenger as youngsters/youth players, young men/players in the last nine ten years, DS, TA, NW, IW, RP, MP, PV, etc, etc, how many of them would have made it ? or/and ended up ruined and broken, careers wasted thanks to TOF and his long failed projects and philosophies. wenger out.

  20. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 03, 2016, 16:02 #92792

    Leekie-boy. As you know I'm not normally one who follows your, ahem, reductionist theory of all things Arsenal. But yes, it was a team of leg ends, no mistaking. However, you omitted to mention the bell end that was sat on the bench. Hearing him crap on pre-match about how fooking marvellous it was that this afternoon's game was going to raise a whole million pounds, he could have forsaken his wages for about 6 weeks and provided the money himself. But hey, maybe he'll be doing his bit at the charidee raffle and pig roast afterwards by "gifting" one of his unzippable anoraks. Good old Mr Wenger!

  21. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Sep 03, 2016, 15:49 #92791

    It would serve Stan, Ivan, Arsene, Dick and Harry better to sack off competitive football altogether and use the world class multi - purpose facility purely for concerts and exhibition matches. No more pesky players, wages, agents, or transfer fees to deal with. The facility is already a bought and paid for asset, and the manager seems happy and relaxed with this afternoon's proceedings, happier than he's looked for all but two days in the past twelve years. Why rock the boat by including the angst & expense of chasing a league or European trophy when benign contented nostalgia is readily available?

  22. GS

    Sep 03, 2016, 15:29 #92790

    Leaky : Most are legends because they knew when to quit , did not hang on taking the money unlike your messiah , who has clung on far too long, dreaming of glory days that will never come back while he remains, shame really, should have left by 2010 then he may have left a legend too. Now all that's left is a bitter stand off.

  23. GS

    Sep 03, 2016, 15:15 #92789

    Watching the legends game, what a shame more of them are not in the backroom helping develope younger players and installing in them what it means to play for Arsenal .......Legends, despite Wenger .

  24. Leek fc

    Sep 03, 2016, 15:03 #92788

    Arsenal Legends....... Legends, thanks to Mr Wenger.

  25. CB

    Sep 03, 2016, 14:18 #92787

    Also good interview with Limpar in the Guardian today, He will be playing

  26. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 13:48 #92786

    All you JCL AKB's who think your super fans and don't remember or know anything other than the last ten years sit down and watch the Arsenal Legends v ac Milan Legends just starting on ITV 4, and see what real footballers look like, real men, real winners, (regardless of your messiah)and the same goes for the pampered premadonnas masquerading as players we have now)great to see big Dave Seaman back in goals and Keown back in the shirt real players. wenger out.

  27. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 13:36 #92784

    Bard, your right he probably is/was the only one that's Arsenal through and through, (not even wenger can be called that) and now he's gone, ruined by an old fraud and his failed pet project and failed philosophies. wenger out now.

  28. Aylesbury Gooner

    Sep 03, 2016, 13:31 #92783

    For gooners not going to the Arsenal Legends v AC Milan Legends game ITV4 are showing it.Be nice to see gooners who are fit to wear the shirt for a change.

  29. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 12:37 #92782

    But what we really need is a long goodbye for wenger. we want wenger out.

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 03, 2016, 10:58 #92781

    Leekey in one of your odder comments you told me to "toddle off to Spain" well I'm here on a subbed by a pool. I guess that means sadly we can't meet down the pub this week, please say hello to Colesey OAP.

  31. Alsace

    Sep 03, 2016, 9:09 #92780

    MBG. Well we are going to see whether we are talking out of our bottoms or Wenger is? My own view is that Wilshire has some issues but basically he needs to stay fit and be told to pass the ball before he loses it. Both are possible under Howe who lives in a consequence rich environment rather than the consequence free environment that bum brains does.

  32. Joe s.

    Sep 03, 2016, 7:33 #92779

    Ron, It's too early to call on the Smoking one - Nothing wrong with that in itself, although you'd think he'd care about his career. However I think it is too early to call on the 15 games.On the one hand, you would think the boys in the Arsenal medical room would know a crock when they saw one, on the other hand this could be his moment, a team where everything will revolve around him. show the fraudster what he can really do under a footballing manager who encourages and guides. I hope this will be the case, although it may be wishful thinking.Regarding the two new boys, the accountant should have splashed out the cash and gone for a Cavani or James. Instead he has gambled on El Cheapo productions so who knows.

  33. mbg

    Sep 03, 2016, 0:47 #92778

    Alsace, your spot on there a manager who knows what he's doing, and proper coaches (instead of out of date past it old men) and fitness coaches and a medical department too who know what their doing, instead of yes men nodding dogs who do what wenger tells them. wenger out.

  34. jason b

    Sep 02, 2016, 21:54 #92777

    Can't help but agree with the author.I wish Jack well for the future.Hope I'm wrong but I can't see it in a red and white shirt.

  35. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 02, 2016, 20:16 #92775

    Sorry VCC, 'other teams lose too' and 'we've had worse periods in our history' are the most pitiable attempts at defending Wenger, heard on here many times before. And no, you don't 'have to' listen to social media views you don't like, just as you don't 'have to' come on here with the same old boring 'get behind Wenger or shut up' AKB tripe. For your own sake, stick to Untold. And for the record - if Wenger bought Messi, Ronaldo and Bale he'd still just be playing for top 4.

  36. GS

    Sep 02, 2016, 20:07 #92774

    Victoria CC : your views aren't wrong, it's just the problem is Wenger, and yes , if he bought messi, bale et al , he would still be clueless. Wenger has warn me down, with his spin & blame game and never taking responsibility , yes he gave us some great times ( invincibles) and that bought him years of goodwill which he used as a get out of jail card , as we could see no on pitch progress his excuses were grating and insulting , even this season, beat man city in pre season, we are ready, lose to Liverpool, we are not.!!! The man cannot cut it anymore in 21st century football and whatever he tells us now I just don't believe .

  37. Alsace

    Sep 02, 2016, 20:03 #92773

    V.C.C. You are absolutely right. Nothing else matters to me more than getting rid of the manager. I'd rather get rid of him than Murdoch or Corbyn. The latter are far more dangerous but are not screwing up my football club.

  38. Victoria Concordia Crescit.

    Sep 02, 2016, 18:41 #92772

    Most keyboard jockeys on OLG would rather see Arsenal relegated and Spurs win the treble than Wenger win the league this or any season such is their frustration with him and the club in general. When we win it's dismissed as a flash in the pan and when we lose it's another sign of terminal decline and "wenger out". Liverpool supporters must look at this core of Arsenal "fans" with disbelief given their history and lack of success in recent times compared to Man Utd. Thank f**k the internet and social media wasn't around between 1953 - 1971 and most of the seventies bar 1979 and pre George Graham, cause if as a young fan i'd have to listen the negative Gooner bores on "social" media moan and bore then like they do now, me and thousands others wouldn't have bothered. If we had bought Bale, Messi and Ronaldo, over half of Online "fans" would have called it "panic buying". "Victoria Concordia Crescit" my friends. And for your sanity's sake, unplug your keyboard.

  39. CT Gooner

    Sep 02, 2016, 17:51 #92771

    I'm definitely not rushing to judgement on any of our new signings. I haven't really seen much of our new German defender, so fingers crossed he's an upgrade on Gabriel, who in my opinion is technically good, but a head case. I like what I've seen of Holding, I hope we don't f him up! Xhaka is our best DM, so not sure why we kept both Coq and El Nemy?? Asano, I'm not convinced he'll ever wear an Arsenal shirt. And then this Perez, who again I know nothing of. I'm worried he's just a new Gervinho, who remember has done pretty well outside of England. All in all, this is why I'm not sure we'll pip Spurs this year.

  40. Bard

    Sep 02, 2016, 17:51 #92770

    Decent and fair assessment Kev. I totally agree about Jack. Reading between the lines it does seem as though there are off field issues that have also played a part. Even if he is fit as you say he's a back up for Ozil. I do feel sad because he's Arsenal though and though and looked to have it all in the early days. Having said that is Wally any different. His fitness issues are nearly as bad and he is half the footballer that Jack is. Some interesting posts about Perez and where he will play. Incidentally I can highly recommend Pep Confidential about Pep's 1st year at Bayern. Onwards and upwards

  41. mbg

    Sep 02, 2016, 17:44 #92769

    A big blow for X box Jack's ego alright, but still on overinflated wages (thanks to TOF) will cushion the blow, so will still being the big poodle in Bournemouth's grooming salon where he'll have plenty of time to weigh up and compare different tats.

  42. Alsace

    Sep 02, 2016, 17:40 #92768

    Provided he stays fit, Wilshire will now have the benefit of a proper coach and manager. Let's hope that he shines, and provides even more empirical proof that the old fool has just not got a clue what he is doing. I'm glad that Jack has escaped. The selling of Gnabry and the loan of Campbell is unforgivable. Goodness knows we have little if any punch, and these two players had it in abundance. I honestly don't care that we have bought players. I'm going to tomorrow's old boys match in the genuine expectation of enjoying it. That is so much more than I can say for any other fixture this season. Wenger, Wenger, Wenger. OUT OUT OUT.

  43. Leek fc

    Sep 02, 2016, 17:19 #92767

    Who is this Xacho???? Maybe Asano and Xhaka 's long lost brother. But then it was posted by Jeff always Right. Say no more.

  44. GS

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:43 #92765

    I support most players that pull on the red shirt, and most have ability (some more than others) the problem we have, is that Wenger has No Clue what to do with them, most of our best players have been sold to top clubs, so clearly we had quality, its the TOF that has caused Arsenal's lack of success/silverware , not the players....PS - 2/3/4th spot not success...In Wenger we Rust.

  45. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:41 #92764

    Leek - "Very little evidence". Breathtaking coming from you, the fanboy for monosyllabic, pseudo-threatening diatribe. Next time you write something on here matey, don't forget to back it up with evidence (unless you want to be seen as a hypocrite as well as all of your other faults). We'll all be waiting...I'd be equally happy however, if you permanently effed orf to the New Den.

  46. Bonzo

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:29 #92763

    There's only one ****ling fickler on here and that's the very lonely Leekey. When Wengo takes up the director of football role at PSG you'll be supporting them as their no. 1 fan.

  47. johnnhhawleyloovinggoonr

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:28 #92762

    Strange window.2 years to find a top forward and all we can do is trolly dash for a forward at last second.still new no 9 deserves a full chance may be very willing to grasp the chance at a top club.two other top players signed too.now more in game management and who knows.still the tots can out do us in risk/mad trolly dash with 30ml on that bloke.makes AWs spending seem sane.manager does have a point on wages being a factor when liverpool walked away from a 30ml investment.bullet doged for us there and it shows the severe risk non petro/leveraged clubs must run.

  48. jeff wright

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:17 #92761

    Hi, lee k fc ,I still think that a Xacho is just an an average player,not bad , but not great either.You seem to have a problem with understanding the meaning of words - apart from not knowing the difference between yellow and black .Average :The definition of average is typical or common. Now Xacho is def not above average that means something entirely differently . Hey why not try looking it up lee k fc you might even might learn something.Cluck..cluck..cluck...and first trophy is 4th place.

  49. jjetplane

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:14 #92760

    Let's judge the old wet lettuce in May ..... or would that be the overcooked broculli with leedle coarse pepper. Talking of - much prefer kangaroo to ostrich on the burger front. Kango is leaner and has more kick than the wengo erm ostrich burger. Enough of Iceland and how they wrecked Jack's career. Funny how Jack went for Bournemouth it being one serious night club kinda town. Hope though that Eddie turns him into a cult (and a player) before long. In answer to something else it's common knowledge that Sanchez and Ozil are on their way to Tottenham by cab. Old ones are the best - ask Emmanuel Mustaphi ......

  50. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 02, 2016, 16:03 #92759

    Leek, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'fickle'. Most on here are steadfast in their views and have been for years. And following your critique I look forward to your 'stab in the light', evidence-based, full of answers article. When will you be sending it in?

  51. mbg

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:54 #92758

    Yes indeed does anyone think TOF is going to sacrifice or leave out his favourite Jedward. wenger out.

  52. Leek fc

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:54 #92757

    Very much just a stab in the dark article. Lots of questions and very little evidence. Jack may have gone out on loan for many, many reasons. I remember our friend Jeff stating that Granit was an average buy after playing one game in the Euros. Now the same is being said about Perez before he's pulled on the red and white. Fickle, very fickle.

  53. mbg

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:43 #92755

    Yes Arsenal have spent some money on players, (will they be any good ? will they work out ?) and a lot seem to be over the moon about it. WABATTD has beaten me to it but i'm going to say it again anyway, but there's still one big problem/flaw that everybody seems to have forgotten about all of a sudden, an old past it manager who won't have a clue how to get the best out of them and end up ruining them. wenger out.

  54. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:31 #92754

    Very fair assessment as ever Kevin. We have to give the 3 new signings a fair chance as, who knows, they may turn out to be as good as Campbell, Petit and Henry. Or they may turn out to be the new Cygan, Denilson and Gervinho - with Wenger you never know. As for Wilshere, I can't feel any sympathy towards him for the way that he has conducted himself. So much talent but he acts like a Sunday morning pub team footballer.

  55. Ron

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:28 #92753

    I think the Perez signing has a more sinister backdrop guys. I think its a precautionary, comfort blanket signing in case Sanchez up s sticks and walks sooner rather than later. He looks pretty disinterested right now in my view.

  56. mbg

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:10 #92752

    I'm very glad you said Arsenal spent some money Kevin, because it's debatable if it was the one person who should have been doing it that did it. wenger out.

  57. Rob

    Sep 02, 2016, 15:02 #92751

    With respects to other posters, I think they are being a little premature in dismissing Perez. His goals and assists for the last two years are better than Walcott and the Ox combined. OK that doesn't say a lot. But it does indicate some quality. Seventeen goals last season for a mid table Deportivo. Seems pretty good to me. At least let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Agree with the last minute rush criticism. But Wenger makes it up as he goes along and spouts any old drivel to justify his (in)actions.

  58. Tony Evans

    Sep 02, 2016, 14:46 #92750

    I reckon Charles is right too re Perez. A fairly typical Wenger signing that is neither one thing nor the other. Certainly not the specialist, top-drawer centre forward we have needed since RVP left. Best we can hope for is that he is a step up from Ramsey, The Ox and Walcott out wide. Not difficult I know!

  59. CT Gooner

    Sep 02, 2016, 14:29 #92749

    I must admit I'm deeply saddened to see Jack go, and Calum for that matter. To me, they were talented plyers, badly managed. I still don't think Ramsey is as good as Jack, but I agree no point keeping a perennial crook. As for 4th, I don't see our new signings getting us there. I think Spurs will pip us this year, and you know what, that doesn't even bother me. "There's only one Arsene Wenger" who has made more than half our fanbase hate him...

  60. Tony Evans

    Sep 02, 2016, 13:54 #92748

    Wenger has just done enough (transfer wise) methinks to secure the usual top four spot and keep his inflated salary for another year or two. As you say, Kevin, I am damn sure Wenger could have moved sooner for Perez and Mustafi, and Perez is not going to win us the League or CL from what I have read about him. Cue another groundhog season unless I am very much mistaken. Barring injuries the likely first team is about the best we have had for quite a while now but, as usual, is not good enough for the games two top prizes.

  61. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 02, 2016, 13:42 #92747

    I agree with Charles. Perez is an Everton level squad player signing, in competition with Wally and Ox for that spot on the wing. He will also be an option to fill in at CF - along with Wally and Sanchez - when Giroud is injured / has his long goalscoring droughts. Giroud remains the only (not very prolific) specialist striker at the club.

  62. Charles

    Sep 02, 2016, 13:17 #92746

    I have the feeling that Perez has been signed to play on the wing to cover the departures of Campbell & Gnabry while Giroud will continue at centre forward.

  63. chris dee

    Sep 02, 2016, 12:49 #92745

    Even a fully fit Jack Wilshere did not at any time look like a player who you would trust over a season or a player that would become an irreplaceable part of a winning team.A one trick show pony who seemed to epitomise the arrogant, to much money to quick,breed of young English/British players that are around today who do not have the character to take responsibility.A million miles from someone like Cesc Fabrigas who understood as soon as he got in the side that just great talent is not enough.

  64. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Sep 02, 2016, 12:27 #92744

    We'll say again; our central defenders could be Baresi and Costacurta, with Bobby Moore as backup, for all it matters. They still wouldn't be properly coached and managed.

  65. Ron

    Sep 02, 2016, 11:22 #92741

    Cant argue with any of that Kev. Im reckoning 15 games tops for JW in a relegated team. Never expected him to have the cajones to experience playing and living abroad. Why these players turn down the chances to do it beats me. Italy esp. Far and away better than living here! He can remain the big fish at Bournemouth though cant he. etc.