No Joy Unpicking Boro’s Lock

Online Ed: Arsenal frustrated as Giroud badly missed



No Joy Unpicking Boro’s Lock


It was the kind of match we’ve seen many times before, and often been frustrated by. I always pin the failure to win the 1998/99 league title on a goalless home draw against Charlton for some reason. Such is the subjective memory of the football fan.

Anyway, it was a match that people reasonably expected Arsenal to win, and it progressed as many at the E******s do, with the wait for the home side to open the scoring and a game of football to subsequently develop. The visitors were content to stifle Arsene Wenger’s team by keeping numbers back and counter attacking. It was very successful, and the fact that Arsenal’s man of the match was Petr Cech says it all. Ultimately, the clearest chances of the game were enjoyed by Middlesbrough. Their pace on the break made life uncomfortable for the Gunners’ defence and required the keeper to bail them out several times.

Arsene Wenger felt his team suffered from fatigue after their midweek exertions. If that was the case, perhaps greater rotation might have been an idea. Alex Iwobi did not play against Ludogerets and failed to reach the level we have seen of him up to this point of the season. Santi Cazorla was injured, and creativity from a midfield of Elneny and Coquelin was restricted to the odd probing forward pass by the former. Generally though, not many risks were taken. A couple of long range shots, but by and large attempts to pass the way through the thicket that were foiled. More attempts might have been made to take defenders on, or try low pot shots in the hope of a deflection, with more bodies in the box to pick up anything that fell loose. So perhaps a lack of imagination rather than fatigue might have been the real culprit.

Plan B is crossing the high ball into the danger area – and this is where Olivier Giroud would normally come in. As the second half wore on, Arsenal reverted to this option, but without the HFB, it was easily dealt with. Victor Valdes often got to the ball first, and it was just over ten years ago that he foiled Arsenal in Paris when playing for Barcelona. As to Giroud’s toe injury, one wonders if this is a diplomatic absence. Remember when a sprained elbow went on for months rather than the manager admit he had dropped the Spaniard back in 2010?

Giroud and Wenger have history. The girl in his hotel room on the eve of a home game led to Yaya Sanago starting a knockout game against Bayern in the Champions League. The striker will have doubtless been unhappy at not starting a game this season and his getting two yellows after coming on as a substitute against Paris St Germain may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as his relationship with the manager is concerned. Wenger suggested that Danny Welbeck could be back in January earlier in the week. One wonders if, should that happen, Giroud might depart in the new year. Certainly, the notion of any kind of plan B seems a little pointless unless the manager is going to play him. Or maybe he is genuinely injured. With Arsenal, one can never be certain. No player is ever dropped if you believe the message coming out of the club.

In a sense, this game does not change much in terms of what Arsenal will face at home. It’s happened before so often and it will happen with a good 75% of the teams that visit. Their Plan A is to ensure they do not concede and hope to nick something when they do venture forward. For Middlesbrough, it worked. Arsenal need to make sure that others do not get the same rewards. It could of course have been worse. One point is better than none. More concerning would be a couple of repeats in the next few home matches. It must be hoped this was simply a bad day at the office and that the absence of the team’s creative abilities was a blip rather than a regular occurrence. The results this season have generally been good, but the performances mixed. There has undoubtedly been some good fortune in regards to late wins, and the award of a late penalty and a late goal. Of course, teams that win often enjoy a stroke of fortune (take a look at this, which ultimately allowed Arsenal to win the title in 1971), so we’ll take it. But Wenger’s team might need to rely more on a contribution from Giroud rather than Lady Luck if they are to challenge for the league this season. He was badly missed in the last 20 minutes yesterday.

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  1. Ron

    Oct 25, 2016, 15:58 #94117

    Redshirts..... The trouble is that had you have been lucky enough to have seen the 71 team and all that it was in terms of skill sets, guts, fight, courage and intensity, you would cry seeing todays bunch of wet lettuces like many of us do. Never the prettiest team on the planet but the team made the fans feel pride and fight just like they had. You ll never see the like in the modern game i suspect. Ive seen it similarly recreated in Chelsea teams this last 10 years to be truthful but nowhere else.

  2. God

    Oct 25, 2016, 11:36 #94109

    Jambie - this is God speaking! Consider your invite rescinded. No one has a pop at my Son, no one, get it! I've had quite enough already of your bitching and moaning. I'm sending you off to a permanent vacation with Lucifer. Don't pack too much as you'll be sweating in your Y fronts for the next 10,000 years or so.

  3. Bonzo

    Oct 25, 2016, 11:01 #94108

    Jamerson drop this boring Martyr bullshine. You're a nailed on pervert who's probably got his hands down his trousers as I send this message. Wenger out, Namby Jambie out, Leek the Squeek out!

  4. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 25, 2016, 7:59 #94107

    We're getting shades of 2015-16 season replayed with nothing achieved in the bank and naive triumphalist blabber from the board. Do they never think to themselves that the "big clubs" like we supposedly want to be, keep their mouths shut until the work is done. Incompetent Rubbish from top down. On a separate point "Wenger secretly told me", concerning stuff Jamerson I'm wondering if you've decorated your caravan with tin foil. You appear to be going episodic again.

  5. Made Up Stat

    Oct 25, 2016, 7:48 #94106

    Jamerplonk: Don't think Wenger's got any spare room in his pockets for anything else than his cash. From the ridiculous to the sublime: reading about the mighty Frank McClintock. I grew up just off the Cally Road and occasionally used to go to the Sutton Arms when Frank was the manager. One night (in the early 80's) some scrote was giving it large and being a right pain in the wotsit. Frank finally had enough and grabbed this bloke around the throat, lifted him off his feet and pinned him against a wall! Hard. As. Nails.

  6. mbg

    Oct 25, 2016, 4:36 #94105

    Fagan and his crew are a hell lot better at picking other teams pockets.

  7. mbg

    Oct 25, 2016, 1:55 #94104

    L33roy, fans care alright, the fans that can see, fans that have been saying and questioning it/him for a couple of seasons now, even since he arrived here and have asked, and questioned over and over why he was allowed to go/come to us in the first place, not fans who listened to the spin coming out of the club/wengers mouth, that he wanted to come to Arsenal and play for their messiah first and foremost. With the obvious conclusion it was to much for Madrid to turn down for a player surplus to requirements there, they couldn't believe their luck when they found an old past it manager with cash on the hip who needed a big name to placate the fans and save his job. He got one alright and saved his job in the process (by the skin of his teeth) with much rejoicing by his worshipers, as posters keep saying, and indeed another one yesterday madrid must still be laughing their arse off.

  8. jjetplane

    Oct 25, 2016, 0:29 #94103

    Jamerson - I would book an appointment with your doctor now. I'm sure he can supply the required certificate and an appropiate soft room. Can you imagine what the poor old chap would think if he saw your postings. Get a hold laddie! I was lucky to see Frank for all his Arsenal career and he was the best captain ever. Tony of course was a god of a man too and who is the present one? I've clean forgotten but I love what old Webb has been saying how Arsenal have become naive and an easy target under Wenger's non-leadership. Used to be a club there while Tony, DB and the rest were running it. Hear Wrighty last night on a phone in when asked about a great memory with Wengo it turned out to be a piss-take involving Razor and the studio were on the floor laughing about Clueless. 20 years in the seat and people just laugh at him.

  9. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Oct 24, 2016, 20:53 #94102

    Seven kings- too right mate! Can't understand why Frank hasn't got one yet, although I was too young to see him in the flesh, when talking about Arsenal captains of the last 50 years there's him and TA and then there's everyone else, he deserves to be honoured, just wished I'd been born a little earlier just to see that 71 team with my own eyes!

  10. jjetplane

    Oct 24, 2016, 20:37 #94101

    I think Asano are taking on board the science that heading balls disrupts short term memory. Worst for the shorter players as they suffer vertigo too. Factor the greater vertigo in when Asano are in the top two and you have Kundera's Unbearable lightness of being. Arsene Wenger is 107 and leetle bit tired. Theo is trying to come to terms with his own greatness and the global interest it garners. Jack Wilshere once got gobby at the Town Hall. Steve Bould has taken a vow a silence ....

  11. Pete

    Oct 24, 2016, 20:17 #94100

    Post No 99601 from Smithy got it exactly right WE WERE MISSING SANTI. Hope he comes back quick. Ozil went missing in the second half and poor old Alexi just ran out of steam. Lucas came on and did not know where to play. ARSENE AGAIN HAS NOT GOT A PLAN B. The Ox came on and Theo shouLd have gone off ONLY SAW THEO FOR 10 MINUTES OUT OF 90, BACK TO HIS OLD SELF and Arsene should have had a Plan B i.e diamond formation in midfield. Frances behind, Ox on right Lucas on left, Ozil in front. Kevin you are correct the high ball into the penalty area did not work because who out of Alexis, Ozil, Lucas is big enough to head the ball? It was so easy for Middlesborough to clear. We will not win anything playing like this.

  12. GS

    Oct 24, 2016, 19:47 #94099

    Rev Arsebad : we've had a statue of Wenger for the last 10yrs, it's the one of him sitting in the dugout motionless , wondering what to do next.

  13. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 24, 2016, 19:38 #94098

    Rev Badarse aka Jamerson - your latest contribution points to the fact that none of your family supported Arsenal, if they did they'd tan your hide. You were probably supporting Southampton from your Hampshire youth and happened on Wenger around 2000 along with some random sports team like the Chicago Bears.

  14. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 24, 2016, 19:05 #94097

    "as with Dennis forgive him the occasional off day" So those are words I put in your mouth, 1971? Before making any further parallels between Bergkamp and Ozil, kindly consult your optician.

  15. 1971 Gooner

    Oct 24, 2016, 18:42 #94096

    Exeter - you are putting words in my mouth Sir; kindly consult the OED for the meaning of 'mercurial'.

  16. jjetplane

    Oct 24, 2016, 18:41 #94095

    Chips and Wiggy are begging the Ostrich to stay on at least til Jack gets his badges so Wengo should be at a club once called The Arsenal til forever. Arsene Wenger is 107. Ozil wants out and Stoke want him at a reasonable wage.

  17. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 24, 2016, 18:14 #94094

    Redshirts: IMO having a statue outside the ground means nothing until Frank has his in 9 ct gold! Preferably in the pose of sitting on the steps outside the Islington Town Hall completely shattered with his head in his hands and exhausted at having given everything in every one of the 60 plus games he played in that double season. The Cup run involved three replays, one postponed 5th round tie and extra time on hot May afternoon in the final. When Frank's statue is erected I hope it is a few feet higher than all the others - it deserves to be!

  18. mbg

    Oct 24, 2016, 17:59 #94093

    Nick, yes it looks like that's been coached out of Xhaka already, it didn't take him long. And another one of these chances to bounce back again at the weekend against more mediocrity, no doubt we'll swat them aside and everything will be alright again, although I wouldn't bet on it.

  19. mbg

    Oct 24, 2016, 17:32 #94092

    CT Gooner, a positive will always be found by some even when there's none, even the old we brush ourselves down and go again one used to be used, haven't heard that one for a long time now. positively wenger out.

  20. GS

    Oct 24, 2016, 17:28 #94091

    Oh dear, Wenger has worked out we need 20pts from every 9 games played, and win the last 2 to win PL, he claims 86pts will win it & this season is our best chance of recent years. Looks like he is warming up nicely for a new contact, the saga continues, we may be in for the long haul.

  21. mbg

    Oct 24, 2016, 17:19 #94090

    Bonzo, he just has to look at the Arsenal bench for an old out of date pokeman, and on the pitch for plenty of baby ones running about all over the place falling down. wenger out.

  22. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 24, 2016, 17:08 #94089

    So Ozil like Bergkamp simply has 'occasional off days'. To have been watching since '71... yet seeing so little.

  23. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Oct 24, 2016, 16:21 #94088

    Comparing Ozil to Bergkamp is like comparing frank Bruno to Muhammad Ali. There's a good reason that there's a statue of Bergkamp and Tony Adams outside the ground, there will never be one of any of this current lot that's for sure. I doubt if I lived till I'm 100 that I will ever see a better player than Dennis in an Arsenal shirt

  24. 1971 Gooner

    Oct 24, 2016, 15:22 #94087

    Re: the Dennis / Ozil point, may I declare that the former is my favourite ever Arsenal player, having been a fan since '71. However, there were many games in which you could say that after 15 minutes AW might as well have subbed him as you could tell it would not be a glorious DB10 day. I think Ozil has a similar "How did he do that?" wow factor but the S also prone to the odd, shall we say, mercurial afternoon on the pitch. I will continue to enjoy what Ozil can do rather than complain about what he cannot do, and as with Dennis forgive him the occasional off day. BTW we are second in the league.

  25. GS

    Oct 24, 2016, 13:12 #94086

    Leeky : Its a slow news day...have you finished reading that programme yet?? What are your thoughts on the Sunderland game, and the game against the spuds, do you think Wenger knows his best team/formation??

  26. jeff wright

    Oct 24, 2016, 13:02 #94085

    Thanks for the sermon Rev and for pointing out the obvious that Glum and Glummer were dross as far as the two big Spanish clubs were concerned. As I recall it though some of the 'dross' that Wengo( yawn) sold them actually ,unlike the dross they have sold us,went on to win titles and Euro Cups with the La Liga sides. Shame that Wengo never had the bottle to take up Perez's offer to manage Real .That would have been a laugh ! Inspector Clueless wouldn't have lasted long with them. While he has dimwits like yourself supporting him though he just stays forever at AFC. All I can add is ..yawn.

  27. jeff wright

    Oct 24, 2016, 11:45 #94084

    Ron is right, if Glum was as good as it is claimed that he is then he would still be at Real Madrid, a club who win Champions Leagues and La Liga Titles .If Glummer were as good as it is claimed that he is then he would still be at Barcelona - who win Champions Leagues ,La Liga titles and World Champions Club Cups. However, both Glum and Glummer are with Wengo( yawn)who never wins any top trophies and they have to make do instead with more modest fare . Such as by beating Ludo 6-0 at the Coliseum and then posting embarrassing cringeworthy selfies of themselves and goal machine smug-faced Wally afterwards celebrating doing it. You couldn't make it up.

  28. Nick

    Oct 24, 2016, 11:37 #94083

    It's always touted that to win the title you HAVE to beat your closest rivals now while doing so is often a bonus and a confidence booster it is NOT how champions are made ! To win titles you HAVE to beat those you really should be beating ! We drop too many points season after season against teams like Boro ! It's said we are " flat track bullies" and up to a point we are but had we beaten Swansea at home and WBA away Stoke away held on to the lead against West Ham away that's TEN points that would have seen us crowned champions I'm sure I've missed some games where we should have taken all the spoils too ! It's THESE failures which have cost us dear ! And this season looks like being no different mainly because no matter the opposition very little thought is given to tactics or the strengths and weaknesses of said opposition ! We always stick to the ruse of endless passes in an attempt to find our way through packed defences ! How many games like this have we seen when despite almost total domination there are NO shots on target? I remember 0-0 draws against Southampton and Sunderland the latter in particular when a Jim Montgomery made save after save after save as we rained shots on his goal back in the late sixties and early seventies we didn't score but not through lack of trying! Goalless draws these days tend to be tedious affairs almost a cure for insomnia! Already I've noticed Xhaka is now very reluctant to unleash the power in his boots I'd pay money on Wenger berating him for his cheek in scoring two thirty yarders ! In short it's Wengers PHILOSOPHY which is the real culprit in these dour and fruitless games that and his seeming inability to properly fire his teams up when they are obviously lack lustre! A trip to Wearside this weekend to play the dismally performing Black Cats gives us an opportunity to bounce back and turn in a five star winning performance while improving out goal difference at the same time if we fail to perform I'd have to say it's the curse of November come early (which has put a Gordon Lightfoot song the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in my head ) a day it will prove to me that yet another season of fourth place scrapping is in store !

  29. Bonzo

    Oct 24, 2016, 11:32 #94082

    Leekey - Jamerson's holding a Halloween party next Saturday at his Caravan. All the old crowd will be there Colesey, Rev Badarse, Westie's driving down on his mobility scooter, Amos. It's going to be quite a crowd. I did hear that it's a Bukake Evening. Is this similar to Sodoku? I'm very innocent in these matters.

  30. GS

    Oct 24, 2016, 10:53 #94080

    Ozil, good player, but no Bergkamp. Need Ozil to step up and take control of Big Games ( No minnows like Ludo) when he can do this more often than not , then maybe greatness awaits, but while he plays 1 good game in 3-4 depending on opposition and pressure of game, he will remain good, ( Not great) ......COYG

  31. L33roy

    Oct 24, 2016, 10:17 #94079

    I thought we had the best play maker in the league, perhaps the world? Ozil is a joke. You've got players like Courtinhio, Silva, Hazard & 3even Sterling beating players and creating chances, we have Ozil, cannot beat a player, no pace, good at playing a nice square ball. A lot of fans are fed up of him, the media know he's over rated. The only people that don't are our fans.

  32. Mad Monk

    Oct 24, 2016, 9:02 #94078

    Sorry but just don't get the Ozil thing. The new 'Bergkamp' my arse! Massive love in on Untold about his hat-trick but not only was Ludo's defence worse than a collection of Wenger buys their keeper made Almunia look a worldy so perhaps some enlightened person can convince me of his merits please. I would love it if he proved me wrong and tore Man Utd and the Spuds to pieces but doubt is in my mind.

  33. GoonerRon

    Oct 24, 2016, 8:52 #94077

    @ CT Gooner - totally agree it was a poor performance. Like I said though, we've come out of it relatively unscathed given the other results - that is a positive. As for top teams winning at home against relegation fodder, haven't we lost like one game in a number of years against promoted teams? We usually do swat these teams aside.

  34. Bonzo

    Oct 24, 2016, 6:20 #94076

    Leekey's getting very excited he's detected a top Pokemon to capture at a caravan park by Sizewell, sorry I meant to say Southwold in Suffolk.

  35. CT Gooner

    Oct 24, 2016, 2:21 #94075

    Sorry Gooner Ron, that was a very poor performance and no positives can be taken. Cech earned us a point. Winners take 3 at home from relegation foder, again we flatter to deceive. Never thought we'd be short of skillfull attack minded midfielders, but I stand corrected, yesterday we really needed one.

  36. mbg

    Oct 24, 2016, 0:37 #94074

    Bard, yes indeed and the AKB brigade never tire of telling us we have a squad of experienced internationals. You couldn't make it up.

  37. GS

    Oct 23, 2016, 22:26 #94072

    Leeky must be a proper Gooner, he went to a game and bought a programme, can't get more definite than that . Good on you leeky, Afc need more like you. Further installments of leekys wisdom to come, watch this space, he may even talk football if we are lucky.

  38. Bonzo

    Oct 23, 2016, 22:20 #94071

    The only reason Leek turned up to the Emirates was that he was trying to capture a Pokemon Go. Leek has zero interest in Arsenal. I would usually add a warning about trying to capture them on railway lines or electricity sub stations but in Leeky's case.....

  39. GoonerRon

    Oct 23, 2016, 20:41 #94070

    @ mbg - no spin required, facts are facts and whilst dropping points at home is always annoying, we've done so on a weekend when 4 other teams in the top 7 also dropped points, therefore the damage to us has been limited.

  40. Paul Ward

    Oct 23, 2016, 20:28 #94069

    Worryingly poor display,lacking in attacking creativity and defensive solidity.Monreal taken to the cleaners for the second week running by his winger, may be time for a "rest". Also we need Giroud back to give us an aerial threat as we try and break down tiring defences, pointless slinging in crosses to Sanchez , Theo or Perez. Don't expect us to thrash the hapless Mackems next week either

  41. Joe S.

    Oct 23, 2016, 20:09 #94068

    Inspector clueless strikes back. fancy playing those two defensive midfielders in a home game. They couldn't string a pass between them. Oxlaide Chamberlain's speed would have been the answer from the start. he hasn't been playing too badly, but Wegner seems bent on destroying his confidence. Oh well we'll have to wait for darling Aaron to save the day.

  42. GS

    Oct 23, 2016, 20:06 #94067

    Spot on bard , Wenger saying maybe a bit tired , shows his own shortcoming , he could easily have got players off at 5mins when 4-0 up, but then he would not have had a ready made excuse for yesterday result , we have seen this so many time , that why it's all down to him, he could have also sent out subs at half time , but his habit of subs at 65/70 mins rarely changes the game. We all hope that as we approach Nov we can keep out unbeaten run going.

  43. Bard

    Oct 23, 2016, 19:44 #94066

    Yesterdays result was partly down to Wednesday. Once we had scored 2 we needed to get Ozil and co off and see the game out. Failure to do that left us lacking sharpness yesterday. This failure to rotate or trust his second string players is familiar territory. He runs them into the ground and we start to pick up injuries. Arguably yesterday was a more important game than Wednesday. We needed to take maximum points against the relegation teams to have any chance.

  44. jjetplane

    Oct 23, 2016, 19:04 #94065

    So plans are afoot to ban AKBs from the Ems (sic) and give the seats to real Arsenal supporters. Get in a proper Arsenal man as coach (not some corporate accountant type) and maybe, just maybe a team will start to appear who really want to compete. On a more pressing note I love a sweet potato fry but avocado ones are a no no. Looks like the AKBs and mancy support are both carping on about their little soldiers being soooo tired. I see that with Arsenal having to pull out all the stops to beat the Ludo factory team. ****ing heroic and that disco boy with the dog and the world cup medal is like the AKBs say, the natural heir to DB10's place. Of course Theo thinks he is now better than Pires and Tony Mustafi-Adams is well most unpartial to a lager. But its those Mancy fans that are hte best laugh. Pure gold! and Conte you naughty gladiator. Nw down in these woods we are 9 wins in a row so a big up to the boys of Eastbourne Utd who play 2 games a week and hold down jobs. ****ing awesome.!

  45. mbg

    Oct 23, 2016, 19:01 #94064

    At least we're still second. wenger out.

  46. Wear Your Colours

    Oct 23, 2016, 18:29 #94063

    It was a very frustrating game. Boro were very well organised and resilient. I think we missed the creativity and accurate long passing of Xhaka in that match. Mustafi tried to ping the diagonals but was far less accurate at it. Lets hope we do better against Reading on Tuesday. COYG!

  47. jeff wright

    Oct 23, 2016, 17:56 #94062

    You are trying hard to put some spin on a bad result GR but in reality we missed a chance to go 2 points clear at the top. Liverpool gained 2 points on us and now Chelsea as well.I can't see how this is a good weekend for us for Liverpool and Chelsea will be happy though and City that we dropped those 2 points.This is called a reality check old chap.

  48. Bonzo

    Oct 23, 2016, 17:49 #94061

    This is a very urgent notice. Leekey used up all his pocket money on Arsenal and his mum has told him he's not getting anymore. The poor lad is sobbing," mwahhh , mummy please give me more money." .. If anyone has got any spare change or perhaps a paper round he can do, please give generously to givehumphreyleek.org.

  49. Bonzo

    Oct 23, 2016, 17:31 #94060

    The rift between the Arsenal supporters will only be resolved when Leekey leaves, probably to follow his leader to PSG. Jambie has already realised his numbers up by officially retiring from Arsenal, leaving his wife and spending time perving in his caravan.

  50. GoonerRon

    Oct 23, 2016, 17:00 #94059

    Never nice to drop points at home but it looks like it might have a decent weekend to do so in the end.

  51. Website Editor

    Oct 23, 2016, 16:44 #94058

    To be clear - we miss Giroud as a last 20 minute option. We definitely needed an upgrade in terms of a starting striker. Perez was bought, but so far, one imagines he is not going to be Giroud's replacement. That seems to be Sanchez in the manager's plans, right or wrong. He's changed the system to play a false number 9 - let's see if it works out in the long term. But without Giroud there is no real Plan B to change things in the latter stages of a game when the team start crossing the ball into the box.

  52. Website Editor

    Oct 23, 2016, 16:31 #94057

    Jamerson is still posting as... Badarsio, Rupert and Ray. Will be deleted when we have time

  53. mbg

    Oct 23, 2016, 16:15 #94056

    And a hell of a lot of gullibles do believe all that comes out of the club alright especially from TOF's mouth, spin lies, and plenty of them all believed, as if a good blacksmith still hasn't/can't be found for Giroud ? spin lies. Tax/i for wenger.

  54. Kenny

    Oct 23, 2016, 15:53 #94055

    All summer everyone and his dog was saying we needed to sign a top class striker.Now it has come to some fans saying we miss Giroud.We dont he is useless.One again Wenger has left us short upfront once Sanchez has been run into the ground.Great game by Cech who earned us a point

  55. mbg

    Oct 23, 2016, 15:44 #94054

    Leetle bit handbrake on, didn't show same creativity (tippy tappy) as midweek (no shyte Sherlock I wonder why that was)i'd say not being allowed to against a team who knew what they were doing and knew their tactics, and didn't allow your little light weight technicians to look good playing tippy tappy had a lot to do with it. wenger out.

  56. Tony Porter

    Oct 23, 2016, 15:28 #94053

    Very disappointing, and the ominous signs were there when we only beat Swansea 3-2, but considering Mike Dean was the referee a draw was an achievement

  57. mbg

    Oct 23, 2016, 15:22 #94052

    Ed it's vey easy for this team to pick cheap locks especially ones who leave them open for you where you don't even need a key, but it's different with a half decent lock, lets see what it'll be like when it comes to the good reinforced ones and the combination type, regardless what others think there's no magician or Houdini in this squad of light weight dwarfs, and certainly not in charge of them. wenger out. One trick pony out.

  58. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 23, 2016, 15:15 #94051

    Leekey you seem to be a great authority on this negativity virus. From where I'm standing I think Wenger must be a very ineffectual, weak filled failure of a leader to be so diverted by it to such an extent. George Graham had a mountain of negative press "men against boys" "no chance" 48-1 against. Yet he dragged out the result at Anfield. Wenger has fluffed his lines in virtually ever test set for him over the last decade. Wenger out, Leeky out!

  59. Mark

    Oct 23, 2016, 14:46 #94050

    Good the see the real Wally return though

  60. Ron

    Oct 23, 2016, 14:12 #94049

    Hi Kev. Do you ever truly believe that Giroud can be 'badly' missed? Hes done OK at Arsenal for sure but hes never been a player who causes too much disturbance when he doesnt play in my view. Hes a typical Arsenal forward of this last 7/8 yrs. Decent on a good day v the right opponent but never a game changing player. Humdrum is the word i think for him and so many others there. Mr Ozil s the same. Hes ok v teams who ll stand back and watch him play. Madrid didnt get shot of him for nothing, they never do. Theyre still laughing at what Arsenal paid im sure!

  61. GS

    Oct 23, 2016, 13:56 #94048

    Kev : good point ref charlton 98/99, but what about away to villa Dec 98, 2-0 up at half time , lost 3-2, those 3pts lost us the PL and Wenger winning back to back titles , shame things have not changed much , plenty of promise but when push come to shove we miss out . The mentality of a team stems from the manager, and we have been wallowing in Wengers past achievements too long .

  62. jeff wright

    Oct 23, 2016, 13:03 #94047

    Wengo's aversion to rotating players is down to a fear factor that of changing a winning team .90% of the time the clown stumbles onto a winning formation by chance due to injuries ,suspensions ...etc ... however once having - usually to his own surprise - having found a winning formation he then stubbornly sticks with it leaving players on in games ,such as in the demolition job of Ludo, who he could pull off and rest. As I pointed out the other day though these meaningless Ludo Hollywood show type results are what it is all about now days at Stan's Stadium .Actually winning trophies is irrelevant when the AKB theatre crowd luvvies can be kept happy every season with the odd Ludo type result that they gloat over with Glum and Glummer plus Wally and others posting selfies of themselves celebrating . Some ex-pros have laughed at these silly antics by the bottle job perennial losers and suggested they save the celebs for when they have ACTUALLY won a trophy.You couldn't make it up. Then we have 'the calendar year Champs' cobbled together stats that are picked out from certain periods in a season such as the rather fortuitous unbeaten recent one from a run of games.The only stats that count though are no Champions League win by Wengo ever and no Prem one since the last time that the cows came home.

  63. Smithy

    Oct 23, 2016, 12:51 #94046

    I think ozil showed yesterday that he will never be in the group of top top players , he is in the group below. Denis and Thierry could do it week in and week out.unfortunately ozil does not have their consistency . With Santi out we needed ozil to dominate midfield - he did not.

  64. Augustus Flair

    Oct 23, 2016, 12:23 #94045

    Straightaway we're into a factional scrap on this site and I wonder what mileage is left in it really. It's unlikely we'll win the PL, out of the question we can bag the CL, so we must be content with one of the domestic cups for silverware. On the level of entertainment (which is all football is; for real life watch the BBC News, for example) I really thought we'd follow up our romp against the hapless Bulgarians with a similar show against dismal Boro - but in fact it was us who looked dismal. As ever in these situations, people blame the lack of someone (Giroud, Santi) for the problems, so from my perspectiveThierry Henry, Rob Pires, Dennis Bergkamp, Lee Dixon and Tony Adams would have been useful yesterday. Everything else this season will be a slight variant on the posts we see here so far. Come on you Gunners!

  65. Kate

    Oct 23, 2016, 12:22 #94044

    There is not enough enough discussion of Wenger's tax affairs in this match review.

  66. GS

    Oct 23, 2016, 12:08 #94043

    Morning leeky: finished reading your programme ? What nuggets of wisdom did you pick up . It's great that we are top , but based on the last 10yrs when we have been top before, it has come to nothing , what makes it different this season ? You are an eternal Wenger believer , some of us here are not, there in lies our differences . I hope Wenger break his habit and wins the PL this season as the players are there, can he turn them into winners , the last 10 seasons tells us he can't manage it .

  67. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 23, 2016, 11:21 #94042

    Stick that in your pipe AKBs! Not exactly title winning stuff is it