Hit The Road Jack?

Is the season on loan at Bournemouth a case of a long goodbye for Arsenal’s number 10?



Hit The Road Jack?


Jack Wilshere completed his first 90 minutes for Bournemouth last weekend, ironically against Spurs. The game finished goalless, with the loan star tidy, but not dominant, still seemingly feeling his way back into the intensity of Premier League football. Between December 2014 and the end of last season, the player made a total of two league starts for Arsenal, and five substitute appearances, due to long term injuries. I don’t know if the player’s wages are the subject of an insurance policy in the event of injury, but certainly, he was being well paid while unavailable for selection, whether or not Arsenal were picking up the tab.

More significantly, his time out, an ongoing issue even before the end of 2014, has meant that he could not be the fulcrum of the team that he has been expected to be when he burst into the first team back in 2010.

So this season, after making two substitute appearances for Arsenal, a loan deal was arranged with Bournemouth. The south coast club are covering Wilshere’s wages and paying Arsenal a £2 million loan fee for the player. Although their ground has a very modest capacity, matchday income is less of a factor these days. With broadcast income and the deal they have with shirt sponsors Mansion Group, the Gibraltar based company that runs online gaming sites such as SlotsHeaven, they can easily afford to cover the cost of Wilshere for a season, and indeed buy him outright should Arsenal decide not to renew his contract next summer, assuming Eddie Howe’s side remain in the top flight.

The South Coast club would seem a good fit for Wilshere, with their emphasis on passing football not dissimilar to Arsenal’s. More importantly, Wilshere is not competing for a starting place – his status means he will be in the first eleven unless his form drops dramatically, or horror of horrors, he picks up an injury. Eddie Howe is playing him as a classic number 10 in the Ozil position. It is ironic that back at Arsenal, Ozil covets Wilshere’s number ten shirt number, and yet at Bournemouth, the player is wearing the number 32.

Playing in the hole, Wilshere is in the ideal position to utilise his ability to play short sharp penetrative passes, and arguably less likely to get into the kind of challenges that have seen him injured in the past. However, it possibly negates his ability to drive the team forward from deep, a role in which he was preferred by the last two England managers he played under – Capello and Hodgson. Ultimately though, the spell at Bournemouth is rally about the player proving he can remain fit for a whole season, and it will be enlightening if he reveals the way he is being handled is any different to his treatment at Arsenal, where questions have been asked about the medical side of things for some time.

Form wise, it is taking time for him to have real influence. It’s a long road back and in terms of his influence in the Bournemouth team, so far it has been relatively unremarkable. Match fitness is surely an issue, given how long it is since he has regularly played 90 minutes. So far this season, there has been an element of kid gloves in the use of Wilshere, evidenced by his not completing a full game until last weekend. In the red and black of the south coast club, he has so far performed as a tidy linkman, without looking anything like the player who excited us all as a 17 year old. Perhaps that will come.

One also suspects he may be enjoying the social side of club football a little more with his current colleagues, with more straightforward English lad types than the continental sophistication and Latin leanings at London Colney. Although there is a British element in the squad, one can envisage, under Wenger, that japes are kept to a minimum, the kind of thing that actually creates a stronger team bond in the right environment. Who knows whether or not there is more of that under Eddie Howe, but it wouldn’t be a huge surprise given the cultural diversity of the Arsenal squad.

Aside from the injury factor, and the wealth of alternative options (Wenger has bought two central midfielders in 2016), perhaps the manager’s disapproval of the way Wilshere spends some of his free time (evidenced by some of the press coverage showing the player in nightclubs and smoking cigars in Las Vegas) has also gradually meant a loss of faith in the commitment of the player to do things the way Wenger prefers. Whether or not the season on the south coast is actually an extended shop window for a future sale time will tell, but there seems no doubt that if Arsene Wenger has decided Wilshere is not going to be the player he had hoped he will get far more exposure in another side than he would have remaining in the Arsenal first team squad.

There is though a chink of light for Wilshere lovers. Santi Cazorla is now at the stage where he will be signing year by year deals. If he chooses to return to Spain, a gap opens for Jack, assuming he proves he can influence matches the way Cazorla can in his time under Eddie Howe. It’s a vital season for Wilshere on his comeback trail, and many will hope a successful one if it means he can return to north London in the summer of 2017 and play the role in Arsenal’s future that we all took for granted a few years ago.


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  1. Croker

    Nov 02, 2016, 10:24 #94365

    He's not the messiah. He's just a very injury prone and naughty boy.

  2. Big Fish Little Fish

    Oct 31, 2016, 14:52 #94325

    I don't think Jack thinks he is staying down there, he has recently acquired a sizeable property on the wrong side of London for Bournemouth :-)

  3. mbg

    Oct 30, 2016, 14:39 #94284

    jj, pure AKB gold indeed, but we're ticking along nicely, and we all know where to. You couldn't make it up.

  4. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2016, 12:04 #94272

    'We just require an atmosphere' and 'Wenger's CL record is awful' are AKB gold for sure. Need to keep up these oh so rational posters as we olde Wobbites are well aware we live in a profit first before the sea rises economy. Jamerson - we still love Maureen and now he is a cult just like the ultra tiresome Wenger. Difference being Maureen may still win a big trophy appropiate to a top top fleecing corporation whereas Wenger is just happy to be in the top four currency. Boring boring Arsenal ..... On a more pressing note my little team lost after a 10 game win sequence. Had to happen but it is County football and the like that is truly invincible. Anyone heard from Theo? .....

  5. anthony walters

    Oct 30, 2016, 11:38 #94270

    kc good post arsenal winning whoever is in charge is the most important thing.i loved highbury but it was time to move on some of the views i had in the lower east and west stands were awful.pillars ,the roof and a fence all blocking the views of play. though you actually don't think this isn't a site for the cult of wenger hating already is a bit puzzling!some hate all the players ,hate the manager hate the club yet regard themselves as the teue fans.i can't quite work that one out.we all know we under arsene have failed in the title race and the champions league over the last decade or so in fact wenger's champions league record is awful so any optimism has to have cautious reality with it.fitting ramsey back into the team also i see as problematic when we have tough away fixtures ie liverpool city chelsea manu or tough european away fixtures i can't see us winning with ramsey cazorla and ozil in the same midfield .getting the balance of the side right in those games is so important .whether wenger will is hugely open to debate given his past failures in those types of matches though our record has improved against those sides over the last two years to be fair.i'm not convinced he will but hope he does.

  6. KC

    Oct 30, 2016, 10:02 #94269

    So a good start to the season but that's all it is, the performance at 1 0 was typical Arsenal, we appeared more interested in possession than goals although Atkinsons refusal to give a pen was shocking. We have hard games coming up and the fact we have had a pleasant fixture lists means there is much to prove. I want change at Arsenal at manager level and board level, sadly this site has many (I used to go but hate the regime fans) that don't seem to grasp that it is football and the modern world that has changed. Arsenal are like city, spurs, CFC, Liverpool, West Ham, they are all competing for more ways to earn income, hence Liverpool sacked King Kenny after winning a cup but not getting into the champions league. Opinion is a great thing but sadly we have 20 or so old timers that take themselves a little to seriously on here and get offensive to anyone that dares be pro Wenger. I hate untold and their cult obsession with Wenger, just be careful that the online gooner does not become a cult like site in hating Wenger. IHA I don't agree with all your posts but respect that there is a good argument to be had, more argument like this rather than one line name calling or pathetic lines by Jamerson would make for great debate. By the way the Emirates is not always bouncing but the old Highbury was often very quiet, nearly everyone I speak to both gooners and neutrals always speak highly of it. Our ground is impressive we just require an atmosphere that gets generated at spurs and Barca games more often.

  7. anthony walters

    Oct 30, 2016, 7:05 #94268

    ticking along nicely as gooneron says .giroud back is so important against boro we couldn't put the ball in the box in the final third we need that option off the bench at times.the coquelin eneny partnership is great for away matches .mustafi and koscielney have looked a quality partnership for the most part so the season continues to show peomise.cautionally optimistic.we have a great squad the best in 10 years in fact i think the best in the current premier league though not necessarily the best team how arsene uses them will be the key to success.biggest worry would be an injury to mustafi or koscielney wenger will probably play gabriel who isn't good enough on my opinion.

  8. mbg

    Oct 30, 2016, 1:31 #94267

    I see Maureen has a worse record than David Moyes had at this stage with man yoo, and we all know what Moyes done. I wouldn't be surprised if Maureen won something this season and TOF didn't.

  9. mbg

    Oct 30, 2016, 1:17 #94266

    We're ticking along nicely (just when you thought you heard it all) the wheels on the bus go round and round all day long. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  10. Rippy

    Oct 30, 2016, 1:06 #94265

    Very good player . Made of glass though. Wish him all the best but hope he never comes back. Didn't he have the stomache to fight for a place ? You don't leave a top club to play for Bournemouth if your serious about playing

  11. GS

    Oct 30, 2016, 0:14 #94264

    "Wenger must stay "......ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  12. Leek fc

    Oct 30, 2016, 0:00 #94263

    mmmmmm. Saturday night and drink don't mix well with GS. Once you are sober, how can MBG get away with drivel every day ????. Night Rodders.!!!!

  13. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 23:32 #94262

    Leeky : take the next few months off, I'll write you posts for you. Save you time ......win, lose or draw, all your posts will read " Wenger must stay " - "Wenger must stay" - "Wenger must stay " - " Wenger must stay ".......repeat ad infinitum. ... Your now free to write your xmas list to Santa . Hope you put PL title at the top . .....

  14. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 22:55 #94261

    Leeky : you say negative , most of us say fact. You never have anything of value to say , just "Wenger must stay" ... You post pointless views with very factual info, that's why your not taken seriously. Your posts show that you really are a troll as you don't know jack about Afc, your manta is "Wenger must stay " .... Don't bother replying to this , unless you have something of value to say ......have you finished reading you boro programme yet!! .....plonker , and why are a plonker, because you are not a Gooner , just a wind- up merchant , on here to amuse .

  15. Leek fc

    Oct 29, 2016, 22:47 #94260

    GS. There you have it. Negative virus sums you up nicely. **** what we have done over the last 20 years or so. It's 2016..... Get behind the club. You sound like Jeff "always" wright lovechild.

  16. GoonerRon

    Oct 29, 2016, 21:55 #94259

    Really pleased to win straight after the Boro draw and sets us up nicely for the tough fixtures coming up. Great to see Giroud and Ramsey getting some time on the pitch and with Xhaka through his suspension we should be able to keep things fresh. I think based on their respective performances so far this season Gibbs is pushing Monreal really close for a first team spot. 1 defeat in 25 shows we found a decent level towards the end of last season and are building on it (although please let me acknowledge that trophies are not won for season-straddling or indeed calendar year form).

  17. mbg

    Oct 29, 2016, 20:44 #94258

    jj, yes indeed mate, when OGL and his followers were concentrating on nothing but his pet project of and taking nothing else seriously but just maintaining his ego busting record of qualifying for the CL year in year out (for all the good it has done)that failure of a manager who rolled over and allowed himself and his team to be steamrolled by us and TOF today was winning more trophies in nine months at man yoo than TOF was winning in nine years at Arsenal. Something (a record)that wasn't and not shouted from the rafters and not likely to be from the AKB wengerites, and he got sacked. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  18. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 20:14 #94257

    Leeky : we have ticked along nicely as you put it for the last 12 seasons, with only 2 FA cups to show for it, not the mark of a top team or manager. The one thing all genuine Arsenal fans want to see is a successful Arsenal team, ie- winning silverware and being in the hunt, not getting smashed and crumbling when the pressure is on, 1st is everything, 2/3/4th is nowhere. In the 30's Herbert chapman is remembered and revered for winning 3 titles in a row , it he had come 2nd three times in a row, who would have cared. Can you remember who came 2nd to Mo Farah in London & Rio ---- No , thought not .

  19. Paul Ward

    Oct 29, 2016, 20:14 #94256

    Another good win today, and you have to give credit to the players and manager for the way they've responded to the Liverpool debacle on opening day. We are in a decent position but will know a fair bit more about our prospects after the next two league games, Spurs and Man Utd . Also it is vital we keep important players fit, ( how long is Santi out for?), so the manager must be shrewd and ruthless in his squad rotation between now and the new year . The likes of Ozil and Sanchez should be made to take a rest, whether they like it or not .Still, I think we'd all have taken our current position back in August .

  20. Leek fc

    Oct 29, 2016, 19:41 #94255

    Nope GS. Not me. As soon as someone who can put his point across that others disagree with, he's belittled by the most boring gooners. IHA blows you fools away with his genuine debate and also support for the Arsenal. By the way, WE are ticking along nicely but it breaks most people's heart on here to admit it. WENGER IN.

  21. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 29, 2016, 19:06 #94254

    Ironically considering the concern IHA has about Wengers comments I predict runners up 2nd spot for us with no cups. Man City for the title. Not sure at all about the FA cup. I am going to pop down the bookies and get a price on UTD finishing outside the top 4. I think a combination of Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea will see off UTD and possibly send Mourinho into international management or at least a long career break ( he should have done this after Chelsea and then returned to Italy)

  22. jeff wright

    Oct 29, 2016, 18:54 #94253

    Sorry you are leaving ( or are you really>?) IHA just as I was warming toward you ! However, being the cynic that I am I know you will pop up again under some other name to carry on castigating those who doubt Arsene ...who of course you believe knows best. Since making his infamous happy to finish in second place statement for 20 years and I will punch the lights out on anyone who criticizes me for doing it 6 yawn inducing years have past . Wengo however has only managed 2nd spot once during that tedious time and that was last season when if he were any good he would have finished 1st. Looks a tougher call this season with Wengo dropping points at home faster than Katie Price does with her knickers on a first date .I suspect that the younger hombres at other top 4 contender clubs will prove too shrewd for our ancient zip fiddler when it's party time in April .C'est la vie

  23. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 18:47 #94252

    Oi leeky, changed your name to website editor by any chance ?

  24. jjetplane

    Oct 29, 2016, 18:42 #94251

    I Homage Arsene is not happy with his postie or indeed with a site that does not kneel in front of the Lord of Mental Speeereeet. Happy trolling yourself and say hello to Walter for us.

  25. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 29, 2016, 18:36 #94250

    IHA - no one is saying to you not to post , please do so. I really wouldn't worry about trolls. I'm a watch nerd and believe it or not on sites dedicated to watches it gets angrier than here. What we need is Billy Goat Gruff to sort out the legendary troll Jamerson. Leekey on the other hand isn't a troll he's just an imbecile.

  26. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 18:24 #94249

    IHA: your are entitled to your views , and it make for healthy debate to have both points of view - i.e. : Wenger in - Wenger out . The problem is we have idiots like jamerson, leeks, bba who troll the site claiming to be arsenal fans and supporting Wenger , who give an unbalance view o things . It would be good to have some genuine AKBs who can put a valid argument together apart from the fabled " be careful what you wish for"... Most pro Wenger posts love the man more than the club, and that is we're some of us clash with our posts ....idiots that I have mentioned above have no merit, they are just endulged for comedy reasons..

  27. mbg

    Oct 29, 2016, 18:16 #94248

    Tickle sticks out in force again, this time it was moyesies down and outs who lay down for it, so another 3pts towards third or fourth place so everything's on track. wenger out tonight.

  28. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 17:25 #94247

    Thank you Jeff for restricting your AW quotes to things that he actually said, much appreciated, I guess my work is done. I sense that persuading you to believe that Wenger is trying to win the Premiership is beyond me, and anyway this is only my opinion at the end of the day, no more valid than yours. Well chaps, it’s been fun (sort of) debating with you all (presuming there is more than one of you). This is becoming a bit time consuming, so I will have to heed the siren call of the real world now. No doubt you will conclude that you have ‘shot me down’ or ‘seen me off’. My dog feels much the same way as it barks at the postman, who ‘retreats’ to the next house along the road. The Gooner is an excellent publication written by intelligent people and I shall continue to read and enjoy the print version. I’m a bit sad that the website discussion associated with it is so dominated by a troll or group of trolls, but I guess there are bigger problems in the world. I may come back at some point in the future and see if the situation has improved. Enjoy agreeing with one another and abusing any dissenting voices. Whatever you do, don’t take any pleasure in anything that happens, look at any evidence, or bother yourselves with truth or accuracy. A bientot.

  29. jeff wright

    Oct 29, 2016, 17:17 #94246

    Interesting point jj about the trophies ( real ones ) that other clubs have won over the past ten years while Wenger pursued his ambition of finishing second for 2 year0s in the league.For the record Wengo has won just 2 FA Cups and 2 Charity shields .Moyes won one of those with United and so has Mourinho already ! United have done a lot better than over the 10 years though than Wengo has on the trophy front winning : 6 Charity Shields,3 League Cups,4FA Cups,5 League Titles,1 European Cup and 1 World Club Cup .Kinda puts Wengo's being happy to finish second for 20 years with that being better than winning a FA Cup into perspective .There is certainly something rather familiar about the irritating clownish IHA . If he put a P in place of the H he would be IPA - it looks like he may well be on the beer or something stronger....

  30. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 17:17 #94245

    Anyone know if Jamerson has posted yet !!!

  31. jjetplane

    Oct 29, 2016, 16:55 #94244

    Love old Arsene giving it the mental strenght spin on an opposition breaking a ball to get into the Championship so they can go head to head with Newcastle. There will not be easier wins and is this bloke IHA really AMOS in disguise. He was also one for small detail (calendar invincibility) while ignoring the fact that the most expensive club in the world has not one a single noteworthy trophy for 12 years. Interesting to see how many trophies have been hoovered up by Barca and the rest in the last 12 years. No wonder people are either laughing at or gently amused by the very rich professor of soccer economics. Hardly well done lads until we see a trophy on the board. Good old spin.

  32. jeff wright

    Oct 29, 2016, 16:10 #94243

    IHA .as others have said most folk know what Wengo meant when he said 'note the quotation marks' -"As long as you are second in the league, I am ready to sign for the next 20 years and stand up for that. "Trophies are one way to judge a club. Is it a trophy to be in the Champions League or is it more important to win the FA Cup? It's not rocket science to work it out is it now but hey you are obviously struggling to do so! Wenger most certainly did not mean any of the nonsense that you claim that he did. Happy to finish second for 20 years sums up Wengo's views and management post Highbury perfectly and by the way sunbeam the Sun was not the only ones who believed that this was what he meant .You are fooling no one with your nonsensical views and have still not cleared up the mystery of where you have been for the last ten years before stumbling on Arsenal FC ... You couldn't make it up.

  33. Smithy

    Oct 29, 2016, 15:14 #94242

    Good win

  34. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 14:52 #94241

    Hi Mark. Happy to answer your question. Of course Wenger denies this, every time it is implied by a journalist. The question is not asked very often, as it is a bit silly, and professional journalists tend to stay away from it, other than when they are in a mischievous mood. However there are some who occasionally try to goad Wenger on this point, and he is absolutely clear in stating that this is not true every time he is asked. I gave you three examples of him doing so above (real quotes – in the sense that they were the words of AW, not the words of a journalist). If you listened to what he actually said, instead of obsessing over a Sun article from 2011, you would know this. You may choose not to believe him, and that’s fine, but don’t let people con you about supposed ‘evidence’. As I have already explained, there is a troll on this site who hopes that if he repeats the same nonsense enough times using different names, then gullible people will think ‘everybody thinks…..’ or ‘most of the planet thinks….’. I’m pretty confident that I know where this troll comes from. There are lots of things that Wenger doesn’t spend much time denying (‘the sky is green’; ‘Monday follows Saturday’; etc – this does not mean that they are true!). Your view on Wenger compared to Graham or Chapman is one that you are perfectly entitled to, but please base your opinions on facts and reality, not the fevered confused and inaccurate ramblings of a Sun journalist and an internet troll.

  35. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 14:40 #94240

    Jeff – Not sure if you are trying to wind me up. Giving you the benefit of the doubt: Please have a look at the Sun article carefully. When journalists are quoting people’s words they use speech marks: “” or ‘’. If you look again at the Sun article, you will see that the words “Wenger Happy To Finish Second For Twenty Years” are not in speech marks. This tells us that they are the words of the journalist, an opinion, or interpretation of what Wenger said. Hope this clears it up for you. If you want to repeat your/Charlie’s opinion, that’s fine, but don’t pretend it is the words of AW. It is quite clear to me what Wenger meant. He meant that Arsenal were second in the league at the time and that if you are second in March (which is when the words were said) you have a good chance. You may feel that he meant something else (as did Charlie Wyett). Any confusion has been cleared up beyond any doubt by Wenger’s subsequent statements. However, I sense it is very important for you to misunderstand this, and I fear that you are not open to logical debate or evidence that you have made a ‘mistake’. You are perfectly entitled to your opinions, but you need to understand the difference between opinion and fact.

  36. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 14:25 #94239

    Careful Bard, Jeff is likely to repeat this for the next five years as ‘evidence’ that you don’t think Arsenal have won anything for 20 years

  37. GS

    Oct 29, 2016, 14:23 #94238

    Oi leeky, you don't mind if I post straight after the game? 3pts - happy days. ....COYG

  38. mbg

    Oct 29, 2016, 13:58 #94237

    IHA, you said this site seems to be infested with a very hard working troll (the Website Editor has constantly referred to and indeed named only one person as that, so go figure) you then used by way of example something jeff has been bringing up and using for a while now (and quite within his right too, and something wengerites like you obviously hate ) so who was he and others supposed to think you were referring to, Enough said. I'd stop digging and call it a day if I was you. You couldn't make it up.

  39. Bard

    Oct 29, 2016, 11:43 #94236

    Typo in my last post should read 12 not 20 years since winning a major title.

  40. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 29, 2016, 11:31 #94235

    iHA - I'll just ask you again as a rhetorical question . As it appears most of planet apart from you misenterpreted his words . Why did he never deny them. If it was so against his view and let's face it, it's a stick to beat him with. Would he not protest? I see very little difference from his words to his actions over the last 10 years. If the board for some god forsaken reason give him a further contract and he fails to win a title his title return will fall to just above the average of 1945 - 1975 and way below that of Graham. He's certainly not been a Chapman or Graham over the last decade.

  41. jeff wright

    Oct 29, 2016, 11:17 #94234

    Wenger 2010, Article headline.. " Wenger Happy To Finish Second For Twenty Years ! "As long as you are second in the league, I am ready to sign for the next 20 years and stand up for that. "Trophies are one way to judge a club. Is it a trophy to be in the Champions League or is it more important to win the FA Cup? IHA ,Wenger clearly says that he would be happy to finish second in the league for 20 years and would stand up for that. He claims that finishing in a 4th place trophy place is more important than winning a FA Cup is. It's all about money ,if the FA Cup paid more than he would target that. Winning the league is not important either because money is made anyway from just making up the numbers in Europe every season .You can try putting all the spin that you like on Wenger's comments but in the final analysis he obviously saying that he would be happy with a second place finish for 20 years and would stand up and defend this view .You appear to be confusing the phraseology that he used with what he meant .He did not have to use the word Happy in his diatribe against the critics of his 4th place is a trophy policies but clearly IMPLIES that he would be happy with finishing second for 20 yawn inducing years. On another I see that the ex-chav motorcycle courier is talking up Wengo's brilliant decision to once again loan out Jack who really needs to find some magic-beans from somewhere to resurrect his faltering career .According to Peter loaning out Jack shows just how strong our midfield is. Well you would never have thought so watching them toil against lowly Boro at home last weekend! In fact it was more a case of old Peter saving their bacon with 3 top saves. But hey since when did the truth ever count in Wengo la la land. You couldnt make it up . No doubt we will trash Moyes dead-beats later though at the Stadium of Light then it's bring on the spuds!

  42. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 10:50 #94233

    Jeff. We have just established, at great length, that Wenger did not say 'I would be happy to finish second for the next twenty years'. He said something different, and you interpreted his words to mean that. And yet here you are again, using the same false quote. Which you have agreed is not something that he said. If you want to quote someone you need to use their actual words, not paraphrase what you think they meant. Either use the real quote or make it clear that the opinion is yours. Don't present your opinion and pretend it is the words of Wenger.

  43. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 10:24 #94232

    Jeff. I never said you were a troll, I said there was a troll on this site, which there clearly is. You decided I was referring to you. Enough said.

  44. jeff wright

    Oct 29, 2016, 9:57 #94231

    Er,IHA,you are the one who STARTED the abuse accusing me of being a troll who posts under various names on here ! This is a lie because I only post under one name the one I am using now .So sunbeam if you don't like being abused then I suggest that you stop doing so to others.You have now backtracked on your original claim that I posted comments that were not made by Wenger but now state that myself and others have misunderstood what he meant! Do you understand the meaning of the word HAPPY >? Obviously not, because if you did then you would know that your interpretation of Wenger's, 'I would be happy to finish in second place for the next 20 years', is completely out of sync with what he actually meant. Anyway, why not try googling HAPPY it might help you . Then again I doubt it - because you say you tried googling the comments that I posted about Wenger saying that he would be happy to finish second for 20 years and couldn't find any links about that ! Oh dear ,you really are not that bright a sunbeam are you .Also as others have said where have you been for the past 10 years because your knowledge of AFC affairs is obviously not very good .Everyone knows that Wenger made the happy to finish second for 20 years comments apart from yourself. Perhaps you should now change your name and reappear as someone else such as ABC ,after this embarrassing drubbing that you have received from myself and others on here whom you imagine in your deluded tiny mind to be myself in disguise . You couldn't make it up.

  45. Bard

    Oct 29, 2016, 9:38 #94230

    IHA I dont think its worth bothering too much about what Wenger says. Like all the prem mangers its mainly guff.. What you look at is trophies won thats what the whole thing is about. We havent won a major trophy for 20 years (league and CL) despite paying massive ticket prices and being constantly told we are almost there. History tells us that we have been close on a number of occasions and blown it. If you want to get involved in conspiracy theories then I heartedly recommend Untold. Take your pick from bent refs, bent FA, bent media, take your pick.

  46. mbg

    Oct 29, 2016, 1:25 #94228

    jj, the wengerites have that many AKB bibles they've lost count and track, remember the chief wengerite who was never done using and quoting the racing post? You couldn't make it up.

  47. mbg

    Oct 29, 2016, 0:58 #94227

    jj, and there's some AKB's underneath the window lapping that up too.

  48. IHA

    Oct 29, 2016, 0:39 #94226

    Jeff – I have spent a long time on the internet looking into what you are saying and trying to understand it. I don’t know you, and I should therefore presume that your opinion is honest. If you are an Arsenal fan, I consider you a friend (although you might consider addressing fellow fans in a more civil manner). The Adithya Ananth article seems to be genuine and well written. What Arsene is reported as saying is: “As long as you are second in the league, I am ready to sign for the next 20 years”. This is not the same as: “Quote... I will be happy to finish second for the next 20 years”. Unfortunately, I cannot find a video or transcript of the press conference in question. You are making the same interpretation of what AW said as Charlie Wyett (a long standing AW critic) and Adithya Ananth. Personally, I don’t think that is what he meant, but I suppose neither of us can prove it one way or the other. When AW has been asked questions on this subject subsequently, he has made his views very clear, and they do not support the interpretation that you, Charlie Wyett and Adithya Ananth made. I’m aware that some perfectly sensible fans hold the view that Arsenal are not trying to win the league. I don’t agree with this view, which is born of frustration imho, and I think that there is very little evidence to support it, but it is not something I can disprove (I also cannot disprove that aliens are kidnapping farmers in Iowa, but that doesn’t mean that it is happening). You may agree with this opinion Jeff, and you are perfectly entitled to your view, but don’t present it as a fact that you can ‘prove’ and try to belittle people who disagree with you. Obviously AW has said a lot things over 20 years, some of which he might not say again if given the chance. The quote in question (presuming it is accurately reported) is not good English, and is highly ambiguous. However, if you do want to pore over quotes, the evidence overwhelmingly supports my view that AW wants to win the Premiership - there are endless quotes in which AW describes his desire to win the league, such as the unambiguous ones I mentioned earlier. Now, you are either interested in what he says or you are not. If you are not interested, then don’t pretend to ‘quote’ him. If you are interested, then look at all of what he has actually said – it really doesn’t support your proposition. If you want to propose the idea that Wenger is happy to finish second you need to suggest why we should believe this one ambiguous sentence and ignore all the other occasions on which he said the opposite. If I was a lifelong Arsenal supporter, but one day after a really frustrating match (let’s say Swansea home, last season), I said “that’s it, I’ve had enough, I’m never watching Arsenal again” (I think I did say something along those lines), would you pursue me for the rest of my life, demanding that I never set foot in the Ems again? Obsessing over one sentence, or even several sentences from a man who has done literally thousands of hours of press conferences over the last twenty years, proves nothing. You are clearly an angry man, and I am sorry for your anger. Don’t let it take you over. I presume that you feel that AFC have duped you in the past and let you down (you are not alone in feeling this, and I have some sympathy with this view as Arsenal were certainly dishonest about their financial constraints in the immediate post-Highbury years). If I was being generous, I might presume that you are trying to prevent others from being duped in the same way. Your passion is evident, but please try to find a positive outlet for it, you won’t find the solution in abusing people online (me or AW). I apologise if my earlier comments were offensive to you (or any other genuine Gooners). Peace.

  49. jjetplane

    Oct 28, 2016, 21:24 #94225

    Untold back no the old calendar championes and this one is from March to October where Asano lost one. We will now be having a collection for Lord Wenger followed by a procession through Holloway by candlelight. Verily are Wengo's Wonders top of all errr Pops .... zzzzzzzzzz

  50. jjetplane

    Oct 28, 2016, 20:48 #94224

    Untold often refer to The Sun if it helps the Wenger is God cause .... Somehow imagine Wenger having a chuckle to himself how he has managed to con Arsenal out of millions and the AKBs must have him peeing out the window so to speak.

  51. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 28, 2016, 20:47 #94223

    IHA - why didn't Wenger deny it then? I would if someone misquoted me. Fits in very neatly to his 4th lace trophy philosophy and not playing a strong team against Chelsea . Wenger has stumbled his way through for the last 10 years. You seem very very sure of yourself, have to say I'd believe Jeff over you.

  52. jeff wright

    Oct 28, 2016, 20:47 #94222

    GOAL ! By Adithya Ananth . Apr 2011 08:53:00 Arsene Wenger has passionately defended his reign as manager of the Gunners, and insists his players deserve more respect for the effort they have put in this season Arsene Wenger has revealed that he will be happy to see Arsenal consistently finish second in the Premier League for the next 20 years, insisting that his priority is for the club to be competing in the Champions League year after year. The Gunners' boss has come in for a good deal of criticism for his unwillingness to spend big and bring in players who would have made the difference, as the north London outfit went from competing on four fronts at the turn of the year to exiting three cup competitions in the space of a fortnight. And in the Premier League title race, Manchester United have won their last three games while Wenger's charges have picked up only a point from each of their last three. With the Red Devils currently 10 points ahead - albeit having played two games more - the Frenchman launched a passionate defence of his record as Arsenal manager, despite heading for what looks likely to be a sixth consecutive season without silverware. "Let’s hope that in our whole history we will never be more disappointed than now and that in the next 20 years they will be exactly as disappointed as they are at the moment," Wenger told reporters. "I am very proud of the attitude, the behaviour and the quality of our season. I will defend that until the end. As long as you are second in the league, I am ready to sign for the next 20 years and stand up for that. "Trophies are one way to judge a club. Is it a trophy to be in the Champions League or is it more important to win the FA Cup? To be consistent at the top level is the most difficult and important thing in our job. We’ve been in the Champions League for 15 years and there’s only two clubs who’ve done that in this country. It’s us and Man United." The 61-year-old added: "You do not get to the Carling Cup final, the quarter-final of the FA Cup or losing in the Champions League to Barcelona giving absolutely everything - and are the victim of some unbelievable decisions — you do not do that by not fighting every day. What is success for you in your job? It is to do the maximum with the talent you have and to be consistent at the top." Our provides the best breaking news online and our football fan community is unmatched worldwide. Never miss a thing again! Leave a comment: IHA is an idiot and no AFC supporter .Real ones watched and heard or read those comments after that Wenger made at the time in his media interview - they are a matter of record and can be googled on many different sources . So stop telling lies IHA - .As I said you are too easy to shot down NOT BEING THAT BRIGHT ,but hey if you want to carry on making a fool of yourself be my guest. You have to laugh though.

  53. IHA

    Oct 28, 2016, 20:01 #94220

    Jeff - Oh this is too good! I am shot down! Fetch me a stretcher! You are basing an entire philosophy on one article (its actually not really an article, it’s a very short vignette – from The Sun!), unreported anywhere else! Are you aware of the Sun’s reputation for the accuracy of its reporting? Especially on football? Thanks for the giggle, but I can't believe you are that gullible!

  54. mbg

    Oct 28, 2016, 19:52 #94219

    So yet another weaney wenger light weight with no muscles (or brains) Perez, who was going to save us has been injured by a hefty challenge from another footballer bigger and stronger than himself, imagine that ? ankle ligaments again, it was four weeks now it's six, what's the betting it'll be, leetle bit worse than first thought (after the twentieth examination from our world class medics) and end up being between eight and ten. As a lot of others have already said that's another department that needs complete gutting from top to bottom when TOF pisses off.

  55. jeff wright

    Oct 28, 2016, 19:18 #94218

    IHA ,you are the idiot and a troll on here and no Arsenal supporter either. Also with you not being the sharpest knife in the draw it is too easy to shoot you down - don't be a prat all of your life -try having a day off now and then is my advice to you sunbeam. Quote "Arsene is happy to be 2nd rate BY CHARLIE WYETT 8th April 2011, 11:00 pm ARSENE WENGER says he would happily finish second in the league for two DECADES. The Arsenal boss said: “As long as you are second in the league, I am ready to sign for the next 20 years. “I believe we have done well. We have been hit very hard with big disappointments but we have not lost in the FA Cup or the Champions League against anybody, we have lost against good teams. “Personally, I am very proud of the attitude, the behaviour and the quality of our season.” His comments will stun Gunners fans who have seen their quadruple bid perish, leaving them just a title tilt left. But he added: “I am only very proud of what this team has done.” Oh hum ,you couldnt make it up.

  56. mbg

    Oct 28, 2016, 19:01 #94217

    jj, indeed if he had of, and if ever one of his dwarfs did or were even ever to get into contention or anywhere near it(I know I know don't laugh i'm not on drugs, or Guinness) you can be sure it was all a team game and all the tremendous team speeritt helped get them there, what a fraud. wenger out.

  57. Website Editor

    Oct 28, 2016, 18:53 #94216

    Jamerson - You are a nailed on troll. That is why your posts (and those you make under various other nom de plumes) are deleted. I don't usually even bother reading them as having a blanket policy of just deleting your offerings saves time.

  58. IHA

    Oct 28, 2016, 18:11 #94215

    You should be aware that this site appears to be infested with a (very hard working) troll who seems to post under several different names (there are a number of ‘posters’ on this site who have extremely similar writing styles). I presume this troll is the supporter of a well established North London based football club that is having a 'swampy' run in recent seasons. We have many loyal Gooners who are intelligent individuals and also WOBs, who would like to see a change of manager, but this troll is not one of them, and gives himself away by his outright hostility to all things Arsenal, not just the manager. He hopes that if he repeats things often enough under different pseudonyms, then people will start to think that ‘lots of people are saying….’ and accept things as fact. By way of example, lets take the often repeated ‘quote’/’fact’/’imagined statement’ that ‘Wenger said he would be happy to finish second for twenty years’. I have searched the internet and can find no statement to this effect. I presume that the troll is referring to Wenger’s statements following the Villa game at the end of last season (15th May 2016, aka St Totteringham’s Day, 2016). He said: “Today, we could only play with the target we had and the only one we had before the game was to finish second. We achieved it.” If you actually listen to what Wenger said, it is quite clear that what he meant was that: given that we were 12 points behind Leicester before the start of the match, the best we could hope for was to finish second, which we achieved. I presume that this statement has been taken out of context and misquoted. No genuine Gooner could possibly misunderstand what Wenger said, but the troll is hoping that if he misquotes Wenger enough times, some genuine Gooners will come to believe him. For the avoidance of doubt, Wenger said at the same press conference: “We are not happy by being second”; “Of course, our target was to be first”; “We are second in the league and we want to be first”. If you remain in any doubt, you can listen to and watch the actual press conference here: http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160515/wenger-on-arteta-rosicky-tottenham Have a nice weekend all.

  59. Bonzo

    Oct 28, 2016, 17:28 #94214

    Jamerson- the reason you pray to your Wenger deity is that you are a natural born loser, a man who would finish 3rd in a 2 man race. You'd rather us play pretty and lose rather than hard and win. You're like that pathetic fool Clockender who whinged about Chelsea winning the Champions League and declared he'd rather not win it. An effete aesthetic who has no clue about football. A man who claims some sort of moral superiority in his overall failure. Retire to Suffolk, your bonkers God figure will also be retiring soon enough.

  60. Ron

    Oct 28, 2016, 17:11 #94213

    SKG - DCA it is and there are many, many of us whove fallen by the wayside. Its our choice of course and for my part i dont expect the Club (sorry, 'the brand') to care, but its a sad state of affairs isnt it. Im the better for it though all the same. Enjoy football still, since the blinkers were binned back in 2010. Been to many grounds i would never have gone to and its clear to me that 'the Emirates' (atrocious name emergent from an atrocious Country), though very comfy is in so many ways the worst PL ground to go to. Theyve mentioned closing West Ham (silly view, though it was the view of a numbskull M.P) - AW says 'nothing more dull' than a closed ground. To be honest, the Emirates would be as atmospheric if nobody turned up there! The stunted atmosphere there speaks volumes about Corporate Arsenal. The Club should change its name to that!

  61. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 28, 2016, 16:41 #94212

    IHA: I don't think you realize most of us who have had their eyes open for many years have long since past the point of calling Wenger names. He runs the club with as much friction and stress as possible removed from the day to day preparations for a football match at the weekend. I think many of the players really enjoy the "lotus eaters " life style they lead. Those of us who understand how success really works know that friction and hassle, plus a second won't do attitude from the captain, coupled with vital defensive coaching standards, are vital for any success as a football club. We are now as near to being a title winning side is as "Nespresso" is to proper coffee. We are as a club a bit of a fraud because we give the impression we are actually in it for the glory when in fact it is just the money that matters. The tiresome AKB & WOB debate left me years ago because under this regime I am a DCA (Don't care anymore)

  62. jeff wright

    Oct 28, 2016, 15:50 #94211

    The only conspiracy being conducted is by Wenger and his fellow clowns at AFC. They smugly talk each other up while patting themselves on the back to congratulate the great job that they are doing by earning themselves loads of cash while dreaming up excuses to to try and explain away the lack of any success in Europe and no title challenges since 2004 .You couldn't make it up . IHA obviously has 'problems' working this out with fools like himself swallowing the pap they are spoon-fed by Wengo and co. So is it really any big surprise that the old fraud was never seriously asked why he failed to take advantage of the great opportunity that he was gifted last season to win the Prem. With only lowly Leicester to beat on the run-in. Wenger claimed last January that he was confident of winning the league yet he has escaped relatively unscathed for having yet again messed up a title winning opportunity . It's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of football that Wenger was finished donkeys years ago - a more astute and energetic manager would have won the league last season but Wengo and the selfie takers in our team came up short again.This season will be no different either - as the result last weekend against lowly Boro at home showed - because when the chance was there to lay down a marker Wengo ( yawn) and the selfie-takers bottled it. How many times does this need to happen before the deluded numbskulls of the AKB join the normal supporters and say enough is enough .

  63. Ron

    Oct 28, 2016, 15:12 #94210

    IHA - Conspiracy? How bizarre. AFC the clear conclusion based on whats evident this last 12 yrs is that AW has traded in his ambition in a sporting sense to remain as a highly paid executive at Arsenal. The point is made on the basis that hes not lying about other clubs having sought his services this last decade. Nobody would blame him. His salary level while having an inbuilt insurance policy against being accused of failure i.e cash constraints is sufficient to buy his loyalty. Of course hed like trophies and the credibility that they bring, but he likes his role and enjoys doing it under far less pressure than hed have at other similar sized Clubs more. The last few seasons havent gone badly either. For Clubs like Spurs or Everton or Liverpool theyve been decent seasons. For AFC they have been indifferent Seasons. Most sensible fans gave Wenger 5 yrs post ground shift to win a title. Its now 12 and Leicester have a title in the interim. Hes out of credit now and i suspect he knows it, though that s no gtee he ll move on. His job is just too damned good to give up. Its very comfortable and the Board and Owner are content that hes comfortable as they and he tell us so. Thats not a conspiracy its a fact.

  64. jjetplane

    Oct 28, 2016, 12:00 #94209

    Rent a gob Wenger thinks the Ballon d'or is leedle bit individual and not about team. Read that as eternal sour grapes and hypocrisy as he is happy that Ozil made the short list though it appears he has not! lol! Some coaches really need to keep up .....

  65. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 28, 2016, 11:43 #94208

    IHA - exactly how much more financially rewarding is it to win a title ? You see it ain't just us. There are plenty of UTD supporters who are similarly highly suspicious of their board. The thinking being you can trade a handsome return by being the sheer marketing power and payments system. Indeed a few journalists have written about this saying some of the smaller outfits appear more hungry and good old Ron on this site has said much the same. Jeff's quite is very simply " I would happily finish 2nd for the next twenty years" as we keep pointing out to the AKB brethren this is the mark of a self satisfied ultimate loser. Compare to Fergie "if I went three years without winning a title I'd resign" Ultimately your point about things going wrong in the last few years also needs scrutiny, most of us have had big issues with him for at least 5 years. We see the same issues over again. Maybe just maybe he has finally seen the light by spending some money. Somehow I doubt it

  66. Mac

    Oct 28, 2016, 9:06 #94206

    It just seems that Wenger has finally seen what everyone else has seen for years: Jack's not that good. Jack to Mesut is like the Danny Devito to Arnie in Twins- Jack has the tiny little bit that Mesut doesn't have, but nothing else. He's slow, weak, no positioning and lazy - both defensively and offensively - just stands around waiting for the ball. So whilst he does have exceptional skillz, he is a massive liability in midfield and many of our terrible results have been with him in midfield.

  67. Boredofitnow

    Oct 27, 2016, 23:51 #94203

    mbg, must admire your persistence, both in your activities on this site and in your loyalty to your team, who must have surely tested your patience over the last 21 seasons. Trolls out. COYG

  68. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 27, 2016, 21:53 #94202

    "one suspects he may be enjoying the social side of club football a little more...." from the looks of that picture, featuring a noticeable beergut, he certainly is.

  69. Cyril

    Oct 27, 2016, 21:17 #94201

    Bard- so precise. I've spent plenty like so many even though I knew there wasn't much psychological capital in this over the last 10 years. In the end it's been sort of ok as I drink beer and wash it down with a curry on match days. Sadly, it's an example of customer consumerism. It's horses for courses for me as I live in Highgate. So it's take it or leave it. As Vic Crescit who used to say to us on journeys to games [previous contributor as most know] ' enjoy it will it lasts... ' circa 2005. I actually think there is light at the end of my miserable contribution. Hang in there gooners , you know!!! .

  70. GS

    Oct 27, 2016, 20:56 #94200

    IHA : not sure what point your making, it's Wenger who said "happy to finish 2nd" and top 4 is just reward . Ultimately I'm sure he wants to win silverware, it's just that he cannot manage it anymore , he has run out of excuses and has been found wanting on so many levels. We always run out of steam and crumble under pressure, you look at him on the sideline and he just has no idea anymore, I can't remember the last time his tactical decisions changed a game in our favour. .....

  71. mbg

    Oct 27, 2016, 19:05 #94199

    The last few seasons have gone quite badly ( am surprised that's even been recognised) did you ever hear the like of it ? last FEW ? that tells us all we need to know about the AKB wengerite, (as if we didn't already know)what planet have you been hibernating on IHA, obviously just back from a ten year scouting mission to the undiscovered planets for OGL, I hope your judgement has been better than his since you've been gone. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  72. mbg

    Oct 27, 2016, 17:21 #94197

    Frank it's a long road back for a player alright (if he makes it back at all) when they get out from under the clutches of an old past it out of date manager like wenger and his failed ways, (he's usually ruined them) certainly fitness wise, the fact smoking jack has completed 90 minutes without a set back ( I know it's early days yet) could tell us a lot about wengers fitness coaching regime (as if we didn't already know with his record on injuries) but it will be very interesting to see now the next Arsenal manager Eddie Howe and his proper fitness coaches and regime have got him fit if he remains just that, with proper coaching and tactics, and if he were then to come back to us, how long he would last under TOF listening to him and following his advice before breaking down or getting injured again. It seems the best thing for players that make it back is to get out and stay out from under the clutches of wenger if they want any kind of career at all, better still stay well away in the first place. wenger out.

  73. GS

    Oct 27, 2016, 17:20 #94196

    I don't think Jack will be coming back, but if he has less injuries while he is at Bournemouth , you will have to question Wenger's training methods and backroom staff, clearly there is a problem, if Wenger is planning to install a pitch that may reduce injuries. Maybe an overhaul of how he does things is needed...or he leaves, and takes the rest with him??

  74. Bard

    Oct 27, 2016, 16:51 #94195

    Jack's finished sadly. Im with Ron on this one. He needs to be sold asap for as much as we can get. IHA I dont think there is a conspiracy and havent read any posts on here that suggests one, so Im not really sure where you get that idea from. I do think results suggest that Wenger is past his sell by date and isnt capable of mounting a creditable title challenge and secondly the club have undoubtedly put financial gain before title challenges. You would had to have spent the last 10 years in a coma not to have made that link.

  75. jeff wright

    Oct 27, 2016, 15:31 #94194

    IAH ,all I can on your inane comments is ..yawn. Regarding how important winning trophies is against making lots of dosh I offer the following comments made by Wenger and the now departed chain-smoking port guzzling imbecile ex-chairman of the bored(sic) P. Hill-Wood . Wenger ,Quote,Winning trophies is not the most important thing.It is how you play that counts. Wenger Quote,The first trophy won is 4th place...Wenger, Quote... I will be happy to finish second for the next 20 years. And he has done his best to try and do so ,well done Arsene! ..... Qute,Hill-Wood, Finishing in the top 4 is more important than winning the FA Cup is. Quote ...Hill-Wood ...We don't want his sort ( Stan Kroenke) at AFC . That however was before Syrupy waved a few million bucks at Wooden Top then he couldn't sell him his inherited family shares fast enough. You couldn't make it up.

  76. Paul Ward

    Oct 27, 2016, 15:27 #94193

    Glad to see Jack getting plenty of game time down there, though it has to be said he isn't pulling up any trees. Did wonder if we could have just loaned him out till Christmas , with a view to him rejoining in time for a big new year push,Arguabley he's the closest player we have to Santi in terms of playing style and as such could still have played a part post Xmas, the lack of creativity v Boro without Santi was worrying and let's hope his"little knock" does not end up keeping him out for months on end, If it does Wenger may yet loaning out not so super Jack

  77. IHA

    Oct 27, 2016, 15:13 #94192

    The idea that Wenger is not interested in winning trophies and is involved in some kind of conspiracy with Kroenke/Gazidis to ensure this outcome, is plain silly, and does not become less so just because a group of you repeat it amongst yourselves ad infinitum (yawn). Even if you think the club is only interested in a financial return, I can assure you that the financial rewards of winning are huge in modern football. I realize that some of you are sad that the last few seasons have gone quite badly at Arsenal and, noticing that your glasses are half empty, have run out of patience with the manager. You are obviously entitled to this opinion, and I am genuinely interested to read your views, but if you want to abuse Wenger and the club, please find some credible (and preferably original and/or witty) ways of doing it. I leave it up to your own judgement to decide whether this comment applies to you or not.

  78. Exeter Gunner

    Oct 27, 2016, 14:04 #94191

    If he's playing as a no.10. perhaps the hope is that Wilshire has a successful injury free season, then can take over from Ozil if he's sold rather than his wage demand met next summer. Similarly, Perez is here for a season to get up to speed, then take over from Sanchez. Wenger would still be confident of 4th and Stan would be happy with that scenario.

  79. jjetplane

    Oct 27, 2016, 13:14 #94190

    Jack illustrates perfectly the evolving averageness of Arsenal under the apparently attentive Wenger. The whole squad is a culture of nose bleeding limitation with the likes of Ozil and Sanchez supplying the cream. In the world of top top players these latter two are deemed average which tells you everything you need to know about the so called Wenger philosophy. It's comfortable with the economics (wastage) and deep with fear on the field. Interesting stuff that Howard Webb said that Arsenal have become increasingly naive under Wenger and are consequently an easy target for both referees and opposing players. That Jack (all 3 ft of him) was the nominated pitch security when the philosophical narrative spoke of Wenger's English Spine, tells us Wenger even had poor recognition of the muscle he inherited (Adams et al) and having added (wisely) he left that balance in the dust through what can only be seen as complacency and ignorance. The guaranteed riches has kept the below par culture in place and sorry to report that Jack looks average at Bournemouth too. They are a club and coach with 24/7 hunger and not one that works in clinical spates and not going the extra yard for fear of injurying the 'business model.' Let's all remember the day Jack went to the Town Hall. If Tony or Frank had of been there they would have dealt with him.

  80. jeff wright

    Oct 27, 2016, 13:01 #94189

    Paul, so since when did Wengo ever worry about employing injury prone players or about winning trophies..? No one forced Wengo to keep players such as Diaby on for years or Wally either -I predict him being out again as well injured before too long. Also as I recall it Jack was sent out on loan before - to Bolton for a season - so nothing new about this latest loan really with him having been found wanting previously - other than that injury prone young Jack is getting better paid for his efforts on the sunny South Coast than he did in dreary grim Bolton. On another note, yet again, the odious Ivanho , regurgitated the myth of Wengo ( yawn) failing to win the Prem or in Europe down to him not having any money and having had to sell players. The truth is that in reality the players in most cases - other than those ones that were anyway well past their sell by dates , asked to leave.The real reason being so that they could better their chances of winning those medals that they had no hope of doing under old tight-arse Inspector Clueless .The fact that most of the top players who left to join Chelsea,Barcelona or United and City did win titles in England and in Europe proves this. But hey why let the truth stand in the way of a good story -even if Leicester winning the Prem last season by 10 clear points ahead of hapless bungling Wengo( yawn) who had by comparison with Leicester's managers spent fortunes in cash on assembling his squad of duds blows that theory ,of money being the issue regarding Wengo's appalling lack of winning trophies over the past decade, out of the water. Wenger should have been fired donkeys years ago and at any club with ambition to do more than just make money he would have been.

  81. IHA

    Oct 27, 2016, 12:53 #94188

    £4m each Mark? You can get advice from Stan Kroenke Enterprises for less than that!

  82. Mark

    Oct 27, 2016, 12:49 #94187

    Truth is the guy is injury prone.He has been indulged by Wenger every England manager and the English media.How the f**k was he picked for the Euro's?The media keep telling us he is the English Messiah.I would sell him but loaning him out till his Arsenal contract(well done Wenger) runs out looks the only answer.The games he has played for Arsenal in the last couple of seasons have cost us at least £4m EACH!!!

  83. Ron

    Oct 27, 2016, 11:09 #94183

    Looked a prospect back in 2009 when he broke through. Disregarding his injuries, hes never fulfilled the promise. Needs selling next Summer if he gets a few games in there. There might not be another chance to get some thing for him. His biggest flaw is having always fancied himself as an aggressive tackling type player. A good few of his injures have been self inflicted through recklessness in seeking Roy of the Rovers moments in games. Like Walcott, hes has little game nous. Not good enough at top level and never will be in my view.

  84. Paul

    Oct 27, 2016, 11:02 #94182

    If he does come back which i dont think he will. He will get injured within a month and be out for another year.For a team trying to go for trophies you just cant carry injured players.