2-0 Down, 3-2 Up

Online Ed: Arsenal get late win in Bulgaria



2-0 Down, 3-2 Up


After the 6-0 tonking a fortnight ago, the trip to Sofia to face Ludogorets was thought to be something of a formality, a nailed on three points. Arsene Wenger didn’t think so, as he fielded both Ozil and Sanchez, two players that, in previous seasons, might have been rested for this fixture. With the opportunities to win this competition dwindling for the manager (might this be his last attempt?), it appears he is keen to win the group to give himself the best possible chance of making the last eight. There were several changes though. Ospina in goal was expected, but also in the starting eleven were Carl Jenkinson, Aaron Ramsey (playing in Theo Walcott’s position), Granit Xhaka and Olivier Giroud.

It was a big day out for the Bulgarian Arsenal Supporters Club (hello Angel), the first time that the Gunners have played in the country since… someone will tell me, but I have a feeling that we are talking circa 1970 here, if ever.

Arsenal took the field in their third kit, although with yellow shorts replacing the regulation blue ones it looked very odd. It was a chilly evening, with subs covering themselves with blankets on the bench. Arsenal had a very decent chance early on, but Ozil fired it straight at the keeper.

Not too long afterwards, the home side were two up. A free kick was poorly defended for the first, and Kieran Gibbs was made to look like a pub team left back for the second. With defending of this quality, one wonders what might happen if the Gunners draw Barcelona in the knockout rounds of this competition, as they inevitably will.

At least Wenger’s side were not facing a two goal deficit for long, as from the by-line (and almost over it) Ozil found Xhaka in the penalty area for a nice finish. Arsenal enjoyed more of the possession, but Ludogorets looked more threatening. Ospina didn’t engender great confidence in the air.

Gradually, the Gunners established more of a foothold on the game, with an Ozil volley almost leveling the scores, before, with half-time approaching, Olivier Giroud converted a very decent Ramsey cross to make it 2-2.

Everything calmed down a bit in the second half, with much less goal threat, until Ospina got his team out of jail with a good save from a break on Carl Jenkinson’s flank. Defensively, this was nothing like a controlled European away performance. Arsenal were equally suspect in Paris, and this is an area where work really needs to be done if the club are to buck the trend and actually progress in this competition. They will be found out if they are unable to restrict space and opportunities in their own half.

Xhaka was forced to take a yellow card to stop another break soon after, and the Ox and Elneny came on for Ramsey and Xhaka respectively as the game looked to peter out. Fortunately, for the visitors, there was a twist in the tale, as a late Elneny through ball found Ozil clear. The German kept calm to take it past the keeper and then pick his spot to ensure his finish was not blocked by a pair of defenders. It was a beautifully taken goal, the kind, let’s face it, that Theo might have contrived to balls up. And it came so late, that the opportunities for the home side (that featured as many Brazilian as Bulgarian players) to level were very limited.

Arsenal held out for a victory that could allow them to top the group, dependent on what happens in three weeks’ time v PSG.

As to the return of Olivier Giroud, my suspicion is that he will be back on the bench for the weekend derby. He was played last night to give him the chance to work on match fitness, but the system with Sanchez as the central striker has been developing, and the manager will want to see it through. Giroud is the man to shake things up from the bench if required, as we saw against Sunderland last Saturday. As the main man, he has had enough opportunities, and his failure to produce when it mattered last season was not a one-off. He will start the odd game, but is no longer one of the first eleven.

So a game with a few talking points, but most important, three points at the end for Arsenal. At the death, the quality of Ozil made the difference, and he is enjoying a fine run of form at present. Let’s hope he remains as influential against Spurs on Sunday.

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  1. mbg

    Nov 05, 2016, 14:29 #94512

    ArseneKnewBest, well said, that piece of advice when your in a hole stop digging was the first thing that entered my head for him also. But no the fact he has now set himself up as some sort of Gooner conscience (i bet they're having some laugh at that at Gooner towers and will take that seriously) do gooder preaching and giving us all advice and telling us we're wrong on who we reply to and how, trying to save us all from ourselves and each other and certain fruitcakes on here and god knows what/who else (i'm expecting the hare Krishna's or the Quakers any day now) trying to make sure we all do and say the right thing by ourselves and others, with his sermons and preaching, about this and that, remember the other sanctimonious do gooder who thought he was an expert on everything we had on here and was always doing that ? before he burst a blood vessel and was beamed up to the starship enterprise, he certainly set himself up as some sort of target then for his antics then just like this latest one has, for not to be an expert in some things he's certainly become just that very quickly indeed with his advice and string of links to this and that tells us all we need to know, now there's a thought maybe it is the real badarse back with a new ROUTER, Website Editor check that IP Address, the long sermons and preaching with some gobbledegook thrown in certainly fit. Anyway Mr self appointed Gooner conscience IHA i'd take ArseneKnewBest's advice if I were you and cease from giving it as i'm sure if a lot od posters on here wanted it from you they'd ask.

  2. Website Editor (Actual)

    Nov 05, 2016, 11:11 #94506

    Lewis Perdue is another Jamerson alias. A troll challenging himself to a debate. I thought the idea of trolling was just to wind people up, but hey, if you are happy to just exchange vitriol between your different personas, I guess that could save the rest of us a bit of time, and some may even find your schizophrenia entertaining.

  3. Jamerson

    Nov 05, 2016, 11:10 #94505

    I would happily debate you yet I fear you wouldn't last five minutes,I would use the word of God which is sharper than any two edge sword where as you would come at me with your rosary beads,crosses,relics,phoney saints and your blasphemous mass,in other words I would blow you away.Goonerconscience-You sir are an utter turnip head who would be better off in a freak show.

  4. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 05, 2016, 7:52 #94500

    Gooner conscience @ 100099 - "I'm no expert on this, but..." when you found yourself writing this, especially on a topic as complex as mental illness, you really should have taken hold of yourself, stopped typing, deleted the message and logged off. By the end of yesterday, I was to believe that you have nothing to do with our foul friend of biblical proportions. Now I'm not so sure. If you've got a shovel nearby comrade, avoid picking it up today and digging a bigger hole for yourself. And sorry (not!) if I offended your Tory sensibilities - the joke was to include the lib dems in my lists of nutjobs, not your friends in the conservative party (who ARE dangerous extremists). Hey, you're not actually Graham Perry are you?

  5. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 23:53 #94497

    Further to my comments on mental disorders, you may find these wikipedia links helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_schizophrenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder Both schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder are characterised by periods when an individual appears to be ‘fine’ and then periods of delusion, often involving religious ‘experiences’. These are really not nice illnesses. I have noticed that Jamerson appears to be quite reasonable on occasions, and then descends into unpleasant behaviours. I know some of you WOBs find it tricky to spot the ‘reasonable’ bits because he tends to express AKB opinions during these ‘phases’, but the AKB bits are honestly not symptoms of mental illness, the abuse, prejudice and religious obsessions are. This is exactly the kind of behaviour you might expect to observe in someone suffering in this way. Of course a mental illness cannot be diagnosed by me, or by observing some comments on a website, but I think I am at least partially correct.

  6. Lewis Perdue

    Nov 04, 2016, 23:45 #94496

    I too have issues with the fore mentioned fellow called Jamerson and find him to be a liar and a cad in his views about Roman Catholicism.As a practicing catholic for many years I would happily challenge Jamerson for a debate on the subject.

  7. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 23:00 #94494

    Look guys, can you please stop equating me with Jamerson. I asked you to cut the cyber-bullying, not because I want you to respect his unpleasant views (far from it), but because I think you are attacking somebody with a mental disorder. I am no expert on this, but I suspect that he is suffering from a form of schizophrenia or split personality disorder (he shows all the signs). I understand why you are unhappy with him, but I suspect that when you respond to him, you are communicating with the inmate of an institution (Broadmoor or similar). These kinds of mental illnesses destroy lives, and I think he deserves your pity, not your aggression, abuse will just encourage him because he is trying to provoke a ‘rise’. His comments and behaviour are too silly to be those of a sane individual, and obviously the racist and homophobic stuff cannot be left on the website. I don’t think he is a mischievous swamp dweller because he says too many nice things about Arsenal and AW (which I realise some of you see as evidence of madness, but it honestly is not) I’m not a Christian myself, but his form of ‘christianity’ is blatantly a deranged form, very common in people who suffer from delusional mental illnesses, not a genuine christian philosophy (where is the compassion, the charity, the generosity?) You need to ignore him, and you most certainly should not respond with abuse, which is left hanging in a public space when the original comments are removed (you are really making it hard for the editor if you do this). I have seen a number of comments on this site which may well have been written in response to Jamerson, but just look like hate and prejudice once the Jamerson comment is removed. You need to trust Website Editor to remove his comments and he will move on. Mark and Arseneknewbest – I tried to have this discussion with a separate ‘identity’ in order to avoid any confusion with football talk, for precisely the reasons that you mention, but was prevented from doing so. The two issues are not related, and I wanted to avoid any suspicion that my objection to homophobia was in any way related to my AKBness (I guess I failed in this, but the two things are really separate). Arseneknewbest, thanks for the clarification, I am delighted to see from your comment that you are a civilised person with intelligent views (bit harsh to bracket the Tories and Libdems with the others that you mention, but we are all entitled to our opinions!). I have had sensible football exchanges with both of you, who appear to be proper fans and well worth talking to. I’m sorry if you find me ‘shrill’ or ‘sanctimonious’, and accept your rebuke, I don’t mean to come across that way, I am just passionate about removing homophobia from football, I’m sorry if I put my case too forcefully.

  8. mbg

    Nov 04, 2016, 22:40 #94493

    Mark from Aylesbury, would that be the same as firing blanks ? I hope that doesn't offend anyone with a low sperm count.

  9. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 04, 2016, 19:38 #94488

    I think most of us on here and Arsene knew Best summed it up, would say -IHA move on, post football related stuff, disagree or agree about Wenger as you wish and maybe ignore Jamee as he will happily piss on anyone and does not see the value in having friendly chats. This was seen regarding his mickey taking of Badarse who suffered painfully trying to defend the Buffoon .

  10. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 04, 2016, 19:32 #94487

    Sorry if I sound a bit wired everyone. I've consumed a powerful cocktail this evening of straight poppers, bisexual laxatives and a packet of gay strepsils. Not to mention smoking some crushed bob martins in a spliff made of my vegan neighbour's tea leaves. I need a nice glass of asexual sherry and a lie down.

  11. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 04, 2016, 19:13 #94486

    Gooner conscience - Bit of a donald trump non-apology there, but I assume you meant it that way. If you are sincere, and I'm not sure you are, a bit less sanctimoniousness would not go amiss. You and I had an exchange earlier in the week about that thing in palestine which I guess you remember. You're new to this site as you readily admit so your shrill and uninformed reaction today has to some extent been justified and I'm sorry to say has landed you in some tepid water. Here's a bit of well-intentioned advice: read yourself in before putting your head over the parapet. Jamee son is a horrible human being, responsible for writing some unutterable things on here. Mark from A and I take exception as do numerous others. The rest of us are all pretty free of the "isms" associated with most football fans, except, of course the aforementioned execrable one and his foul guises. I don't mind going into battle against racists, homophobes, sexists, Tories, Ukippers and even lib dems. Indeed, I've never shirked it. But when it comes to the suffolk specimen, it's a case of needing to mug the mugger I'm afraid Mr Conscience. And I see my role as helping, not hindering the editors in this (although they may disagree with my methods). Tell me that you're happy to henceforth take over that monitoring role on here and I'll happily get back to talking about Arsenal. Beware however, that Jamee, although thick, is relentless and terribly offensive (and he'll be masturbating himself silly over this attention in a way that makes no comment about his sexuality). But if you decide not to take up cudgels, please don't sermonise if I do. If what you say is true, we're on the same side. But let's see some action. Lets make IHA stand for "I hate Ars*holes"

  12. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 04, 2016, 19:09 #94485

    IHA - some thoughts, it is highly likely that Jamerson under his many guises used the term "Nig-Nogs" called Tottenham big noses and again goes on about Homosexuality being an abomination. This has all been in the last few days just as you claimed we were all picking on him. Your timing was poor to say the least. You then say you're going to report people, well that's not going to make you friends. Then claim you're being picked on. Well I see MBG said oh diddums. Whilst all this is going on, you go on about trolls yet post under 3 different names. It's not looking good is it? Ps MBG is probably the most picked on person in this site and you never hear him moan. You really have been firing at the wrong targets.

  13. mbg

    Nov 04, 2016, 19:04 #94484

    MarkfromAylsbury, as the Website Editor said they show their true colours eventually (some sooner than others)like I've already said even that other high and mighty who left for waltons mountain a long time ago couldn't hide his true colours.

  14. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 18:17 #94482

    Arseneknewbest, you have my sincere apologies if I have misrepresented you. You should be aware that Poppers is closely associated with the gay community in the UK, although it is also used by straight people (including yourself by the sounds of it). I suggest that if you do not wish your comments to be misconstrued, you should avoid the reference in future. Perhaps in order to avoid any ambiguity, you could clarify your attitude towards gay people, many of whom, I can assure you, will find your comment as offensive as I do? If the offence is accidental, I’m sure you will wish to clarify. I’m sorry if you have been frustrated by someone calling themselves Jamerson, but I’m afraid that is nothing to do with me, and if you are angry with me, you are misdirecting your anger. My suggestion to you, and others on this website, is that you do not lower yourself to the level of someone whom you clearly dislike. I have been on the wrong end of a lot of abuse today, which I find very unpleasant. If it helps to remove homophobia, I can live with it. I reiterate that you should remember that you are in a public place when commenting on this website, and you should exercise the same caution that you would when shouting something on the street. I am responding to you because you seem to be a sensible person. I am not attempting to reason with Jamerson, because he does not (for whatever reason) seem to be a reasonable person – I have seen many of the offensive posts that he has put on this website, and I must agree that they are revolting. People keep trying to imply that I am some kind of apologist for Jamerson, or even that I am him. I can assure you that this is not correct. I don’t really know how to prove this to you. The editor has already rightly identified that Jamerson’s comments should be removed from this website, and I think you should ignore him, as response just encourages him to post more. I appreciate that this is a pain for the editor (who presumably has better things to do), but if he/she persists in removing the posts, and no-one responds, then Jamerson will presumably go away and this website be able to host a debate from sensible adults.

  15. mbg

    Nov 04, 2016, 17:41 #94480

    I see our new mr self righteous troll has been harping on and crying and complaining about racism, even threatening to report this site to certain bodies (that's certainly all respect lost) regarding racism, homophobia, and if his post/posts was/were deleted aw diddum's, remember the other cry baby who used to spit the dummy if he didn't get his own way ? and the funniest thing of all is the only one on here he can be referring to as spouting racism and homophobic remarks is a fellow troll like himself with numerous names (or indeed it is him) in love like wenger, or the spuds. You couldn't make it up.

  16. mbg

    Nov 04, 2016, 15:31 #94473

    Website Editor (actual) thanks for putting us all right about IHA, but it doesn't really surprise us as he always had a lot to say for himself mostly in fluent gobbledegook (which I see he's still doing), any respect he had is now gone as he's just another snivelling troll, no doubt a spud one.

  17. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 04, 2016, 15:30 #94472

    Gooner conscience (sic) - Your comments about poppers is farcical and gives the lie to your claimed credibility as a defender of hate crime. I'm straight and have taken poppers (and almost everything else that is not legal under the sun) numerous times. Are you suggesting that drugs divide along lines of sexuality - really? In that case I need to sit down and take a heterosexual aspirin to cope with the stupidity of your comment. M from A sums up the Jamerson issue perfectly - he's called me and others all sorts of childish names - his homophobia, xenophobia and general awfulness knows no bounds and playing back to him some of his rhetoric seems to be the only solution. The only homophobia comes from him mate and I strongly resent your suggesting otherwise. Read up a bit before slagging people off on here would be my suggestion.

  18. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 13:59 #94466

    Paul, apologise for the confusion. I am trying to ‘call out’ unacceptable public behaviour on this site. I am a passionate fan, and want to protect our image as a club. The numerous exchanges above were necessary because I have been incorrectly accused of trolling, and I felt it was important for website editor to understand that I am a genuine person interested in protecting the reputation of both Arsenal FC and The Gooner (of which I am a great fan – although I am new to this site, I am a longstanding reader of the print version). I have some sympathy with website editor who is besieged by a persistent troll (actually more than one, I suspect), but also has a slightly paranoid tendency to assume that any voice of criticism comes from that troll. Speaking up against these things is not easy, as I am discovering, but I think worthwhile.

  19. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 13:34 #94465

    Website Editor. For the sake of clarity, as I'm sure you know, the post at 13:13 is not from me, please remove it. I presume that you can verify this by checking IP addresses. Please look again at the 5:06am comment this morning.

  20. Paul Ward

    Nov 04, 2016, 13:27 #94463

    AKBs, WORs, IHAs, the thought police , can't keep up with it all on here to be honest, all getting a bit pythonesque -splitters everywhere

  21. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 13:19 #94461

    Website Editor. You appear to be genuinely confused. I can assure you that I am not Jamerson. I don’t know who Jamerson is and I have no connection with them. I appreciate that Jamerson appears to suffer from identity issues, but I do not. It seems to me that whenever anyone says anything that people don’t like on this site, they are accused of ‘being Jamerson’, and that this is some kind of excuse for dismissing their views. I have no idea how many other people on this site have also been falsely accused of ‘being Jamerson’. At 10:45 this morning, there were two ‘website editor’ comments. One, not written by me, has been removed. I can still see the one written by me (10:45am). If the other one was not written by you, it wasn’t written by me either.

  22. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 13:04 #94460

    Mark, I really do understand your point. Perhaps I can make an analogy. In the privacy of your own home, you might make a joke about a friend of yours, and use some language which you might prefer not to be repeated. However, you would not shout such a thing out in the middle of a crowded street, as you would appreciate that it would cause offence to some people (and possibly lead to your arrest). We need to remember that a discussion group on a website is like a crowded street, with potentially hundreds or thousands of people reading comments written on a successful site like OlineGooner. In relation to this analogy, I might also point out that Jamerson does not appear to be even a friend of those who are abusing him. The comment may be aimed at Jamerson, but it will be read by many others, including young people who may conclude that such things are funny or acceptable. When the original comment from Jamerson is removed, it will look even worse. Some of the worst comments that I hear in and around the Ems are actually made by teenagers. Sometimes we feel that such things are OK because ‘everybody else’ is doing it, and I notice this in the ‘follow up’ that I often hear at the end of our favourite ‘what do we think of Tottenham’ chant (the end of which is rarely heard in the stadium as cowards know that they will rightly be permanently ejected from the stadium by stewards if they are seen to make the chant)

  23. Website Editor (Actual)

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:59 #94459

    IHA - You write "I note that you have removed some of the homophobic comments from this site, for which I am grateful." - The only ones removed by me were posted by either Jamerson or yourself! You also ask whether the deleted Website Editor comment was from a fake - yet you were the one that wrote it! Jamerson - you can post as IHA but keep it to the football. I get that you are posting homophobic stuff and now complaining about that under a different name and IP address to entertain yourself. So go ahead and report your own trolling to the FA. I can't wait for the response!

  24. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:51 #94458

    Jamerson- one of your more lucid comments for some time. Hypocrite or not, see the explanation. If a man is vile another may use humour as a counter weapon. You are therefore effectively saying whole strands of humour are hypocritical?

  25. Website Editor (Actual)

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:48 #94457

    I am still not entirely certain if Jamerson and IHA are not one and the same - if only because mad people will have dialogues with themselves. Jamerson says - "Racism when properly carried out is an oppression through ignorance and I'm not talking about silly name calling,whereas homosexuality is a vile sin which results in the spread of many awful illnesses and sins against the vulnerable." and IHA criticises the posters on here for being homophobic against Jamerson. He is winding them up, and they respond in kind. I delete Jamerson because he is such an obvious troll. IHA - You have a final warning. Stop posting under different names - which is troll activity (boredofitnow was one of your others) - and if you can offer reasonable debate and argument, then I will not delete. Jamerson on the other hand... lost cause

  26. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:48 #94456

    Dear Website Editor. I note that you have removed some of the homophobic comments from this site, for which I am grateful. I note also that you have removed one from ‘Website Editor’. Is that because it was not really from you? My slightly cheeky post above was trying to tease out whether such comments were really from the website editor or not. Do I presume from its removal that one of them was not? It really is not easy for a reader to understand what is going on here? Can I advise that the comment about ‘poppers’ from Arseneknewbest at 5:06am this morning is also homophobic and should go. Happy to explain what ‘poppers’ refers to if you are not clear. To clarify, I am not a troll, please feel free to review all posts that I have made on this website and I think you will find that I have not made any homophobic or racist comments. I posted under a different name in order to try to keep my discussion of football matters and my discussion of homophobia separate, as I consider them to be two separate things (both of which I am passionate, but I hope fair, about). I had had a witty exchange above with Arseneknewbest and did not wish him to think that I was trying to undermine his view by making a ‘complaint’. You have ‘outed’ me and that’s fine, but it doesn’t make me a troll. I do genuinely have sympathy with you. I can assure you that I have no wish to refer The Gooner to the FA (as you seem to be now taking my complaint seriously, I will not be doing so either), but if you are going to ignore complaints about homophobia, what do you expect people to do? I’m sure you would like this site to only contain sensible football discussion and to be unencumbered with trolls and people who use abusive language (I would really like this to be true), but unfortunately you have a responsibility in a public space. Peace.

  27. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:46 #94455

    IHA - at risk of giving more spotlight to Jamerson again the background is continually cat calling people deviants, aligning the people who don't agree with his views as homosexual and a general linking of effete, wimpy behaviour with homosexuality. Most individuals on the site are perfectly up with the modern world and see these archaic views for what they are, it is the piss taking again, what better way of accusing some moral guardian of degenerate behaviour. So when Jamerson accuses someone of being a deviant hit back by accusing him of outlandish gay group sex. There is humour in there somewhere. I'd say more Little Britain than sinister. I do find it strange that you started off a little obsessive about trolls and then carried out the same behaviour yourself.

  28. Jamerson

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:42 #94454

    Mark from Aylesbury,you sir are a hypocrit if you think that it's ok for WORs like AKBest and Bonzo to be homophobes yet not ok for AKBs.IHA you are very deluded if you think that racism and homophobia come inside the same envelope.Racism when properly carried out is an oppression through ignorance and I'm not talking about silly name calling,whereas homosexuality is a vile sin which results in the spread of many awful illnesses and sins against the vulnerable.I stand in my Christian liberty on my beliefs and if you don't like it tough.

  29. Gooner conscience/IHA

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:33 #94453

    Hi Mark. Appreciate the background, and I have some understanding and sympathy. I have actually gone back and read quite a few historical pieces on this website and I can see that what you are saying is correct. Internet trolls are very upsetting and waste everybody’s time. I obviously don’t know what is going on with Jamerson, my view is a suspicion only. Unfortunately, people will come anew to this website and not understand the background. Such people will just see aggressive homophobia, especially when the posts that they are retaliating to have been removed! Even when you do understand the background, some of the comments I have seen here are really beyond the pale. I have much sympathy for poor website editor, who is left in a tricky position. Unfortunately we have a moral obligation to be careful about this kind of thing. Homophobia in football is a real issue, and it is too easy for ‘banter’ to be misinterpreted and to cause offence. Children can and do look at football websites. Peace

  30. Website Editor (Actual)

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:25 #94452

    Gooner Conscience - Problem is you trolls will post under various names and make racist and homophobic comments yourself. Nature of the beast is to get a reaction. To do this you will call black white one moment and white black the next. It's just boring. It's quicker just to delete everything you post rather than wasting time reading it. You remove your own voice by trolling. So the anti-homophobic comments are generally aimed at Jamerson (obvious troll) and Leek FC (who might be, I am waiting for that to become obvious) - the former who has posted anti-homophobic and racist comments himself - all to just get reaction. I don't waste time 'wrestling the pig' - so sure, report us to the FA. Or better still, stop trolling. Why aren't you posting this as IHA anyway?

  31. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:23 #94450

    IHA - my oh my you were appearing to make valid points before going a bit random. Some history for you, the site has tended to be more anti Wenger from 2013 onward . People come and go but two aggressive contributors Colesey and Jamerson were particularly belligerent posters with a third Badarse flowing between humour and anger and flouncing off on regular occurrences. Both Colesey and Jamerson could be aggressive with comic threats of violence. Whether Jamerson is ill or not is a moot point. Not all mentally ill individuals will advocate racsism, hitting kids, homophobia and attacks on the Catholic Church as well as some recent Anti Semitism that recently occurred. You can of course continually ignore it or you can say it's wrong. Now this where you need the history lesson. You see complaints to them just resulted in more abuse along the lines of your feeble wimps. What some on the site found was a far more effective route is to piss take. So when Jamee says your going to hell. It's actually quite interesting to create a raving religious nut who thinks Jamee is going to hell and so on. It's not bullying more a case of medicine dosed back. I note angry Colesey no longer gives off his vile racist rubbish since he was piss taken as a knock kneed old drunk. You can report to who you want . The issue is the history and nailing some idiots who wish to attack others. At the end of the day Jamerson could input like you or Gooner Ron and no one would get on his case.

  32. Gooner conscience

    Nov 04, 2016, 12:01 #94448

    Dear Website Editor. I see that you are now removing my comments from your website. I hope you are reading them before you remove them. I don’t know what you think is going on, but I can assure you that I am a genuine supporter who is disturbed by what appears to be cyber-bullying and homophobia on your website. I realise that you have a person commenting on your site who feels free to express vile opinions on a regular basis. As I said previously, I presume that this person is suffering from some kind of mental health difficulty. However, that does not make it acceptable for others to respond in kind. I’m sure you are frustrated by the amount of time that it must take to police the unpleasant comments, but you really need to remove them all, from all posters. These are serious concerns, and I am NOT playing some kind of game. If you choose to react to my questions by sticking your head in the sand, I can only presume that you either don’t care, or share the prejudices expressed. I really hope I am wrong about this. I tried to challenge you on this point in a gentle and compassionate manner, but you don’t seem to wish to engage in civilised discussion on the matter. If you simply remove this comment as well, I shall be forced to refer the matter to the FA ([email protected]). (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/equality/lgbt-football). I don’t find homophobia funny or acceptable, in the stadium, on supporter websites, or anywhere else. We worked hard for decades to get racism out of football, and I am sad to see that it’s going to be just as hard to get rid of its equally mindless sister prejudice homophobia. People who are leaders of the Arsenal community have a role to play in this. I realise that your website is one which respects the heritage of football, however I suggest that homophobia is one aspect of football heritage which we could do without. Whether you like it or not, the internet is a public space, and you need to take the distinction between banter and hate crime very seriously. Do you really think the content of this site is suitable for a child to look at? The Gooner is an important part of Arsenal’s heritage and someone who is the editor of this site has a responsibility to the Arsenal community and the wider football community to take a dim view of homophobia. I hope you can live up to this Website Editor.

  33. Website Editor (Actual)

    Nov 04, 2016, 10:54 #94445

    The two above comments from Gooner Conscience and 'Website Editor' were posted by IHA - who for a while, looked like he actually had some genuine debating points. However, trolls being trolls, they cannot hide forever. So time to move onto the next guise. Might even be Jamerson under a different IP address. Anyway, when we get time, we will delete future offerings, but we'll leave the above two in place for posterity

  34. Gooner conscience

    Nov 04, 2016, 10:34 #94444

    I am new to this website. What I am seeing is homophobic cyber-bullying of a person called Jamee/Jamerson, who appears to post under several names and seems to suffer from some mental health problems which cause him/her to write intermittently delusional comments. This looks really ugly, and is not consistent with the values of Arsenal FC and its supporters. I hope that I am misunderstanding this and that there is actually some kind of banter/game going on here. Sarcasm sometimes doesn't come across well on the internet. If there is an alternative explanation for what I am looking at, I would be really pleased if someone could explain it to me.

  35. Bonzo

    Nov 04, 2016, 8:52 #94443

    Jamee - please answer the following. Do you think you are? A:) God; B:) Jesus; C:) Thetan; I'm thinking answer C.

  36. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 04, 2016, 5:06 #94442

    Jamee - Calm down on the poppers wee man and get back to your true metier, i.e. the rampant, caravan-based "stimulation" of anything that moves and the subsequent swallowing of anything it discharges. I reckon you've possibly written about half the posts on here under various guises. It's disturbing to imagine that you think the rest of us don't realise that. You're as prolific - and as poor - a writer as that duo of sugared sentimentalIty mills and boon. By the way, I'm not also Bonzo but I enjoy reading his stuff. If you had a modicum of intelligence, you'd have worked out who it is. Ficko! I think the best point on here was made by John G who said that the games are now a bit more enjoyable since its become obvious that we'll never win the CL. There, gooneron and iha, is that positive enough for you in the happy clappy wengo asano inc. world that the club desperately want us to live in?

  37. GoonerRon

    Nov 03, 2016, 20:48 #94441

    @ mbg - what did you think of Ozil's finish?

  38. Paul Ward

    Nov 03, 2016, 20:11 #94440

    Cornish. Don't mind Wenger giving his opinion on the wider world to be honest, even though I make him wrong about the F. A s pathetic attempts to curry public favour over the poppy debate. As long as we're winning games, he is free to pontificate on anything he likes I reckon, after all he is more interesting to listen to than most other managers, though that isn't saying much to be fair

  39. GoonerRon

    Nov 03, 2016, 20:10 #94439

    @ Cornish / mbg - I haven't seen his press conference but is there a chance he was asked about it by a journalist and gave his response? Christ, if he was asked and didn't provide a response can you imagine the **** he'd be getting here for not respecting our traditions?! Some anti-Wenger bull**** literally has no bounds.

  40. mbg

    Nov 03, 2016, 19:56 #94438

    Cornish, good post and spot on, he just has to have his big red runny hooter stuck in everything. And they can get moist over Ozil's display/displays against mediocre opposition and his goal before putting two defenders of a third/fourth rate team on their arse, like has been said before even if we had messi, suarez, playing second fiddle to now the greatest player (and thumb sucker) on earth and to wear an Arsenal shirt, it will/would still make no difference (and there's still those who can't see, or can, but just don't want to or refuse to)because of one person wenger. wenger out.

  41. CORNISH GOONER

    Nov 03, 2016, 19:20 #94437

    REASONS WHY I WANT WENGO OUT. Number 59 - he just can't help himself can he? Here he goes again today - the thoughts of Chairman Weng on the POPPY (non story) crisis. By contrast you can read elsewhere the thoughts of Pep & the Barcelona boss on their tactical battle on Tuesday which was totally absorbing & the last thing which would enter the mind of Our Supreme Leader. Ozil etc is totally irrelevant. We have a pretty good squad, "it's The Manager stupid. Aaaarrrrgggghhh!!

  42. mbg

    Nov 03, 2016, 19:10 #94436

    jj, he's so far gone and that dolally (like other AKB's) he probably believes he is, and can hear weng talking to him, LOL.

  43. mbg

    Nov 03, 2016, 18:58 #94435

    Bard, and all fans who don't worship at the alter of their messiah.

  44. Bonzo

    Nov 03, 2016, 18:24 #94434

    Jamee - you need the revisit the well known Comedy show "Little Britain" Daffyd and you have much in common. Completely out there but completely intolerant. Acceptance of your issues and your orientation would put us all out our misery!

  45. Ron

    Nov 03, 2016, 17:01 #94433

    Guys - the thumb sucking is nauseating. Totally agree. I think if he was my team mate and did that, i d belt him myself. The dozy looking idiot needs to grow up. Can we imagine any player, pre Wenger who would ever have done that? 1971 - Peter Storey knocks pen past Banks in crucial Semi Final and wheels away sucking his f-----g thumb? I dont think so somehow. I cant imagine any true German footballer doing it either to be honest. Its sickening to see. Ever likely Roy Keane is so withering of latter day footballers and they say RK is out of his tree? I dont think so.

  46. Paul Ward

    Nov 03, 2016, 17:01 #94432

    Mesut has scored v Chelsea , Man Utd and Liverpool over the last season or two, so not quite a flat track bully. Anyway his role is not primarily a goal scoring one, he'll always set up more than he nets himself.The fact is his languid style will always draw criticism and he can be frustrating, but he seems to have upped his game recently , and he's more than capable of being the best player in the league this term, if he delivers we can win the title because he's that good.

  47. jjetplane

    Nov 03, 2016, 16:58 #94431

    As an optimist I do hope Alexis gets on alright with the little matter of errr his taxes ....

  48. jjetplane

    Nov 03, 2016, 16:25 #94430

    Enjoy a good meal and a pint at the newly opened Ludogorets Tavern. Celebrated customer Mesut has given us the thumbs up (suck) and says the staff are most obliging and have made him happy with every visit. Watch the staff re enact the famous goal that diner Mesut scored and which has made us the talk of Bulgaria. Our waiters (defenders) will wait on you throughout your say and the chicken is thumb sucking good. Mesut hopes the prople of Bulgaria will have a great new year and again thaks for the hospitality .....

  49. Far far away fan

    Nov 03, 2016, 15:46 #94429

    I am firmly for Wenger leaving the club, but the comments section is frighteningly morbid here. Just like Untold is unbearably optimistic and misleading, the posters here are oppressively pessimistic. I know we are not going to win anything under Wenger, but can't enjoy the few moments, even if they are against pub teams, of joy. You can't be negative all the time- will lead to depression

  50. jjetplane

    Nov 03, 2016, 15:29 #94428

    Love the guy on there who puts up his team selection for every game from Dubai and then repeats the post as though he is actually in touch with le boss (sic) ... Pure gold! The Brick has to be the best with his UKip joke book and the undercurrency of anger on all his posts. As long as you tow the party line on there Atwood will allow any nasty stuff. I do enjoy their pain and it's richly deserved as it's obvious half of them have never seen much of the team in the flesh.

  51. Bard

    Nov 03, 2016, 15:19 #94427

    MadMonk; Untold is indeed a strange old site. I cant get my head around what its supposed to be about. They dont allow any debate and just fill it with diatribes against various journalists or newspapers. At heart is the belief in an Anti Arsenal conspiracy in the media or the refs. They have about 5 regular posters and thats about it. I tried to liven up the site but was banned in about 5 minutes. All very odd.

  52. mbg

    Nov 03, 2016, 14:55 #94426

    Ron, dead right, and Brady was an Irish man.

  53. mbg

    Nov 03, 2016, 14:39 #94425

    Website Editor, yes a proper troll, and not much criticism (if any)from the AKB wengerites, I wonder why ?

  54. Bonzo

    Nov 03, 2016, 14:24 #94424

    Look-a-likes little Britain Badarse and Westie = Lou and Andy; Jamerson = Daffyd

  55. Alsace Lorraine Du Totteridge

    Nov 03, 2016, 13:45 #94423

    I repeat "It's the defence". He never learns and we never improve. Hats off to the team for getting back from 2-0 down. We desperately need Martin Keown to be coaching that defence and someone else to be managing the team. I would prefer a coalition of Arsenal Old Boys - Keown dealing with the defence, PV sorting the midfield and DB in charge of tactics for the offensive line. If you have to have a manager as such Gilles Grimandi would be good. No obvious sense of humour about unprofessionalism and a defensive tendency. We want a consequences rich environment in which the players can respect the coaches' achievements.

  56. David

    Nov 03, 2016, 13:35 #94422

    BADARSE also took Westlower with him. There was something to admire in their extraordinary positivity.

  57. mbg

    Nov 03, 2016, 13:31 #94421

    Redshirts, good post i'm actually finding myself agreeing with you there I really am, and hope that is the case, (contrary to what others think) and I'm sure a lot of others like me WOB's (I love that name)do too, but unfortunately we all know, and this is what puts us off (for the want of a better term)and history tells us so also, and like I've said we all just know old weng and his nice boy bottlers will f**k it up just like they always do.

  58. Bard

    Nov 03, 2016, 12:58 #94420

    IHA. A bit of history mate. There used to be a poster on here who called himself Badarse. Wrote very long posts in support of Wenger, sometimes funny sometimes a wind up but he left in a huff a while ago. Unfortunately we have a poster called variously Jamerson, Jamie and a ton of other names, who has something of an identity crisis. He is easy to spot because he writes in the same manner. So it isnt the real Badarse posting on here but Jamerson in disguise. Just ignore him. Looking forward to seeing Ozil v Wanyama on Sunday

  59. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 03, 2016, 12:50 #94419

    IHA - you may or may not be aware but the Badarse you speak of is not the real Badarse rather another one of Crazy Jamee's impersonations. Having said that the real Badarse wasn't much different. It truly is a madhouse!

  60. jjetplane

    Nov 03, 2016, 12:36 #94418

    Used to enjoy Ozil from a distance when he sneaked a game at RM (he was a kind of Giroud there) and cameos with the Nat team where all the other players carried him aloft so he could sprinkle flowers on the pitch! Someone made the point his goal was like a practice pitch effort and with two intoxicated defenders to beat he managed his typical fluffy stab at the ball. Wenger talks about it as though like his own 'philosophical' contribution to football Ozil had now put out a marker for the lowly likes of Messi et al to follow. What I love about AKBs is their sanctimony as they 'pull in their fishing nets' and gaze lovingly at the figure who floats on water in a duvet though Ozil the Rock might be pushing it ..... A very nice little corporate brand with nice supporters saying nice things about their employees - that's Arsenal - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... At least everyone agrees that Ozil could do (can he?) a lot more but no one says that of the Iniestas of the world. Funny how Gundogen of a similar trajectory cost half the price of the very nice Mesut and is half the maintenance and yet in a quiet manner destroys Barca. The AKB take on that is of course Barca were missing players and are a bit pants at the moment. Ps it seems to me that the AKBs are pretty miserable (insecure) when they cannot enjoy the current calendar invincibility that reeks of 'championes/oh wey oh wey oh wey ....' DB10 v Batistuta/Mesut v security at Bulgaria state circus .... Was a good goal though as good as Pires against Villa .....

  61. jeff wright

    Nov 03, 2016, 12:36 #94417

    The glaringly obvious problem with thumbsucker Ozil is that the glum faced play-boy's best moments always come against inferior opponents .Lovely goal the other night from Glum but his pal Glummer's play acting and moaning at the ref got on my wick he doesn't like the physical side of playing as a striker up against big defenders. Also I must add that with Glum and goals scored let's face it he does miss rather a lot and his scoring stats since he has been with us are not great over that period of time. When he helps us to win the European Cup or Prem come back and tell me about it.After all when he arrived 'Rambo'and others claimed that he ( Glum) would "take us to another level" tbh I have not seen any signs of this happening. Speaking of Rambo the Welsh Windbag ,Balo is the Wizard , yet again he is mouthing off before a game ..we are in great form blah blah blah... the spuds look ready for a roasting and that defeat at the stadium that is obviously too big for them to cope in ( as it was us as well under Wengo when we playd our Euro games there) can not have done their confidence much good.So let' see the spuds get mashed or roasted otherwise Rambo's big talk will once again have made him look a mug.

  62. GS

    Nov 03, 2016, 12:31 #94416

    IHA : Reasonable points, well made. It would be good for the wind up merchants to give it a rest, All True Arsenal fans want the best for the team, some are just fed up of 12 years of excuses and spin, other are happy with things as they are. Having healthy discussion is a good thing ref differing views, sadly a number of trolls have hijacked this site and write garbage, guess its part and parcel of the Internet ...You know who you are, Jog On , and leave this site for genuine Arsenal fans, whatever side of the fence they are on....

  63. Mad Monk

    Nov 03, 2016, 12:25 #94415

    Some people can't get it can they? We all want Ozil to succeed we all want Arsenal to succeed we all love it when we win but we keep getting let down by the manner of some of the performance when we lose every footie fan wants to see some sort of concerted effort especially in defeat not the poor lame effort like OT last season (probably worse than the 8-2) I will gladly state I am wrong when I see Ozil destroy the Spuds and MU followed by far more consistency and a bit more effort. This is of course my opinion something not allowed on the soccer loving goaltender half wits on Untold who at the moment have a vendetta against Smudger and have lots of evidence to prove what they like against him. Well for the Untold brethren here is an opinion with no inside information or hard facts; Jersey will be awash with migrants coming from 16 miles away from camps set up by the French as soon as they realise that piece of land is part of GB. There you go a statement and opinion with nothing to back it up!

  64. IHA

    Nov 03, 2016, 11:32 #94414

    Badarse – this is not a helpful comment. The AKB v WOR situation is something that we will have to live with until, at least the end of the season, when we will win something or Wenger will be replaced. Of course, there is a danger that we will achieve ‘mild’ success, leading to Wenger’s contract being extended, in which case we will have another season of AKB v WOR. I personally look forward to a time when Arsenal fans will be more united. We need to stop trying to ‘persuade’ each other. The WOR are entitled to their opinions, as are the AKB. There are intelligent fans on both sides of the divide. Mid-season movement between the camps is likely to be small. There is a small movement in favour of AKB at the moment because we are on a good run, but it could easily go the other way with a few bad results, so we need to learn to live with each other and respect each others opinions. Goading people is not going to help anything.

  65. Ron

    Nov 03, 2016, 11:32 #94413

    Ozils a quality player of course he is, but he leaves us short i think. Theres no doubting that his influence in games v better opposition is much reduced. This is true of the best of players but Ozils level drops to almost being a passenger when we face the very best sides. Anybody that cant recognise this is wilfully blind, just like John Cross who was waxing lyrical about Ozil saying he was the same in every match, in his own smug faced way the other day. Fabregas was the same when at his peak, though in my view his rarely 'disappeared' in any game. Ozil does. I wouldn't push the boat out beyond Ozils current wage just to keep him, though i wdt for any of the pampered, over rated, over blown, self serving, egotistical and over hyped phoney footballers of today anyway. Ozil will never attain Liam Brady status.

  66. IHA

    Nov 03, 2016, 11:08 #94412

    Bard – interesting view on Ozil. I think he is a wonderful player, but have to agree with you that he still needs to prove himself in the big games. He did this a little bit last season, with excellent performances home to Man U and Bayern (and don’t forget a great assist for the Welbeck winner v Leicester), but also seemed to lose it a bit as we fell away from the title race in Feb and March. I thought he put an exceptional performance in against Chelsea a few weeks back, so there are certainly signs that he can do it in the big games, but more proof is needed in my book.

  67. GS

    Nov 03, 2016, 11:07 #94411

    ArseBad : Time for your medication, your rambling again.

  68. Bard

    Nov 03, 2016, 10:13 #94410

    John Gage I presume your post was tongue in cheek mate. If not I cant believe its taken you this long to realise that Arsenal wont win the CL. More to the point its not even the clubs goal. Qualify for the last 16,collect the loot and rock on for next season. There is no doubt Ozil's goal was a cracker. We have all seen great goals but its not synonymous with being a great player. To my mind he is talented but goes missing in the really big games. He decorates games rather than taking them by the scruff of the neck. Lets see what he does against the Spuds and Untd

  69. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 03, 2016, 9:25 #94409

    IHA - No, but then again P&G, Vodafone, Barclays, Boots and all those other corporate luvvies have always been money grubbing b*stards haven't they? Arsenal have only really seriously come to it in the last number of years since the merkined marauder, Ivan the liar and our pseudo socialist manager was given free rein to take over. Call me sentimental but I used to like the fact that Arsenal were first and foremost a FOOTBALL CLUB. It's a bit of a stretch to say that's their main objective these days isn't it. A word of advice about your other issue. Don't listen to Netahyahu - everything he says is a lie and he's an even bigger war monger than those two idiots squaring up across the pond. You know me, always benevolent.

  70. IHA

    Nov 03, 2016, 9:07 #94408

    Arseneknewbest - many thanks for your benevolence, the Palestinian thing is indeed proving tricky, kind of you to recognise that I am trying my best with it despite my lack of progress. Arsenal do put a lot of effort into getting the finances right as they have always done. If you think they are only interested in profits, I am mystified that you are so interested in them. Are you spending the same amount of time on BP or Proctor and Gamble websites, commenting on their performance?

  71. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 03, 2016, 8:42 #94407

    IHA - I'm feeling benevolent. It was kind of you take time out from dispensing cod psychological advice to the entire population in order to come on here and dish it out to jjet. I'm sure he'll be as thrilled as me to read that there is a ready cure for people who think that the Arsenal is now little more than a spin machine always aiming to do just enough for the bottom line and little else. Thanks mate - you can now get back to solving the Palestinian conflict and Jamee son's almost chronic case of penis envy by lunchtime. Job done! Told you I was feeling benevolent.

  72. John F

    Nov 03, 2016, 8:25 #94406

    I am not the biggest Ozil fan as I think he takes games off but that was a quality goal.I am not sure he is worth paying 250g a week though and can understand the clubs hesitation in offering a new contract.As for the Spuds I am expecting a Middleborough type game and expecting a draw.Lets hope Wenger does not play Ramsey as a winger against them.

  73. IHA

    Nov 03, 2016, 8:20 #94405

    Jjetplane - is your first post-coital comment to your missus: 'that wasn't as good as our wedding night'? How eccentric to compare Ozil's goal to DB's v Argentina. Of course the DB goal will be more celebrated in ten years time, as it was on a bigger stage against stronger opposition, but so what? Why don't you just enjoy something on its own merit and stop seeking unfavourable comparisons? You might just enjoy life a bit more. If you can't see something in front of your own nose, you could just look elsewhere.

  74. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 03, 2016, 8:19 #94404

    Best thing to come out of last night's game was the serendipitous name of the Bayer Lev scorer, "Souper, souper Kev, souper Kevin Kampl". And I thought his career had gone a bit cold after that transfer to Everton in the 90s. Jamee - have you got Nigel Farage tied up with you in your caravan at the moment? Is he on a casual racist cliche for fist-job type contract with you?

  75. divingrooney

    Nov 03, 2016, 6:31 #94403

    What a horrid description of Ozil goal. It seems the author is sorry for the goal. He is unable to comprehend the skill of the goal. Forget humans, just put three dummies in the field, and ask EPL players to recreate the goals. 99% will be unable to do it. Ozil will also struggle to recreate it with dummies. Even the mighty Messi will botch up more than 50% of his attempts. If Chelsea or Manu had scored 3 headers, and won the game this same author would waxing lyrical about their resilience and here we have a sorry piece. Wenger is going to renew his contract for 3 years. So, you will have suffer him for a long time. Moaninho is showing for second straight year, that despite spending more than 100 ml, he is struggling to get his team into top 4. And Wenger did this after selling 100mn worth talent with players like Denlison, Song and Gervinho. Respect.

  76. AugustusCaesar

    Nov 03, 2016, 0:36 #94402

    How utterly depressing to see so called Arsenal fans playing down Ozil's goal because of the opposition. You know, in the situation he found himself in it still requires an exceptional amount of skill and poise to do what he did. For once in your lives take your pathetic blinkers off and applaud it for what it was. A work of genius. Cue Jeff Wright's joyless verbal diarrhea.

  77. Keef Petrovic

    Nov 03, 2016, 0:11 #94401

    I checked out a "top" Spuds blog for a laugh after their dismal defeat tonight - what an amateur effort, would expect better from Barnet FC :-). It is a mini club compared to AFC.

  78. Doctor Arsene

    Nov 02, 2016, 22:16 #94400

    Antibiotics for you jjet. The negative virus is taking hold quite badly. No football, just rest up. Oooh, by the way, leave the Internet alone, it's making you all hot and musty. NEXT PATIENT nurse.

  79. Paul Ward

    Nov 02, 2016, 22:04 #94399

    Hard to see any English club winning CL I suppose, but Barca looked pretty beatable last night, and Real couldn't beat Legia Warsaw tonight, so you can never rule anything out in football. Having said that I'd settle for the domestic treble this year, next year we can focus on CL .

  80. John Gage

    Nov 02, 2016, 21:47 #94398

    I don't know if anyone else in the same boat as me but I have already accepted that Arsenal are not strong enough to win the Champions League. Once that is done its actually enjoyable to watch the games without any pressure whatsoever. When they win its a bonus and when they lose you're just indifferent to it.

  81. jjetplane

    Nov 02, 2016, 21:06 #94397

    First choice at Real Madrid and they sell him ..... Bored with his fluffy attempts to pass it into the net. Not in the same class as Terry or Den and certainly won't get their medal count period.

  82. Paul Ward

    Nov 02, 2016, 20:42 #94396

    People will point to the low quality opposition , but the way Ozil put two defenders on their backside and slided it into an empty net was pure quality. How people can knock a player who was first choice at Real Madrid, has won a World Cup and plays every match for Germany is beyond me, even Bergkamp and Henry weren't brilliant every week if I remember rightly. Mesut is class, end of.

  83. Ron

    Nov 02, 2016, 20:35 #94395

    Much to pick holes in from that half paced show last night, but in fairness it was a game played with half an eye on the Spuds this week end. 3-1 Gunners v the spuds. nailed on.

  84. mbg

    Nov 02, 2016, 20:07 #94394

    Daryn, your right there, those two (and a lot of the other nice boy technicians )wouldn't have lasted ten minutes with the proper power attacking football played by proper players who could play it, and didn't need an old fraud of a manager to coach them or show them how.

  85. mbg

    Nov 02, 2016, 19:55 #94393

    2-0 down 3-2 up Ozil's the new Messi and we're going to win the Champions League Cup, and if you believe that you've been sold a right pup. The barking is that loud at AKB central the neighbours think it's the new battersea dogs home. You couldn't make it up.

  86. jjetplane

    Nov 02, 2016, 19:23 #94392

    Remember that DB10 goal against Argentina - now that's a ****ing goal! Who will remember thumb sucking baby Mesut's goal against the unemployed tractor assemblers even next month? Bit like the last 2 FA Cups - easy pie ..... Anyway - that Gundogen blokie wiv 2 against Barca and upstaging Messi. Come back to me when Ozil does it big. Dunno who I support from game to game in brand PL. It's a mix and match league now and anyone following just one brand like say River Arsenal Island are missing the point. Of course I am speaking from having been at WHL when IT happened! You know the one!

  87. CT Gooner

    Nov 02, 2016, 18:21 #94391

    Just hate that Borrosia Dortmond/Chelsea strip. I guess Puma says we need more strips to sell to punters who know no better.

  88. Mike

    Nov 02, 2016, 18:08 #94390

    Ozil's goal. Sheer magic

  89. GoonerRon

    Nov 02, 2016, 17:59 #94389

    Delighted to get the win (and what a goal to secure it), but it was a far from convincing performance, especially defensively. Without Bellerin, Theo, Ox and Iwobi we lacked pace and therefore just didn't look as dangerous. That said, to get 3 goals away from home in those circumstance is still a good return. Bring on those stinking spuds.

  90. Jude

    Nov 02, 2016, 16:38 #94388

    Ramsey on the wing, unsurprisingly, resulted in difficult viewing. Poor Jenkinson received zero cover from the Welshman who drifts inside desperate to impress. Unfortunately, he has more self-regard than impact irrespective of where he plays. It’s just more of the same when he’s in an Arsenal shirt – slowing us down, giving the ball away cheaply, and overelaborating when the simple option will suffice. We need to tie down Ozil and the class he provides, and sell the injury-prone legend-in-his-own-mind. Coleman apparently recalled him, so I expect to see him sat on his backside with a hamstring or thigh problem soon. It’ll give him more time to practice his clay pigeon shooting and golf swing.

  91. Website Editor

    Nov 02, 2016, 15:00 #94387

    Some of Jamerson's current pseudonyms - Handsome fella, Uncle Tom, Mike Hoeye, jaqueline, Kum Hia Nao - The trolling knows few limits

  92. Bard

    Nov 02, 2016, 14:08 #94386

    Ozils goal was special indeed. But as many have posted our defence is an accident waiting to happen. To concede 2 goals against a p*** poor Euro side doesnt fill me a lot of confidence going forward. Going 2-0 down meant we had to dig a lot deeper than we needed to. It will be interesting to see what effect this has when we tackle the spuds.

  93. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 02, 2016, 14:00 #94385

    IHA - glad you made the decision to keep on posting. It's going to be an interesting season. November, November.. Perhaps a his year we can push our way through it. I think there is s little something to us that was missing over the last 5 years. Each team has defensive issues, I'm putting money on UTD finishing outside top 4. It's who can grind the results and keep their heads. Burnley away, Sunderland away good, Middlesboro home not so good. I'm maybe a tad too confident that we will beat Spurs but here's hoping.

  94. Jim

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:57 #94384

    Peter Hughes-The critics are just being honest.We have been down this road many times in the last 12 years.When the pressure is on Wenger teams collapse.Too many deluded fans think the season is all about BEFORE xmas

  95. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:55 #94383

    I'm actually enjoying this little run we are on. 2 things have to happen for me not to think this is just yet another false dawn though..1. Beat the (very average, very overrated by the media) spuds at the weekend, 2. Get a minimum 1 point from old Trafford against what is still a dreadful man ure side and not do the usual hopeless capitulation job up there. If we can do those I might just start believing that we are moving on from the dreaded groundhog season syndrome of the last decade. Two gripes from last night..that awful kit and Ozils equally awful thumb sucking routine, grow up son you look like a pratt

  96. Wear Your Colours

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:53 #94382

    We started slowly and got caught out at the back twice early on. Like you Kev their second goal reminded me of the one we conceded to PSG; our left-back was well beaten and Mustafi gave the attacker far too much space to convert. Our right flank of Jenkinson and Ramsey looked very rusty, although to be fair, both have endured quite a long absence from first team action. Jenkinson seemed to lack the confidence to take his man on the outside and rarely attacked the by-line; Ramsey tended to drift in field and was often deeper that Coquelin and Xhaka when he picked-up the ball. Hence, most of our attacking play was more effective on the left where Alexis and Gibbs combined well. After they went 2-0 up Ludogorets adopted the now standard 4-5-1 defensive formation looking to catch us on the break. I thought we worked our way back into the game quite well with patient and persistent play. Xhaka’s strike was superbly executed. Ramsey when he did find space on the right picked out Giroud with a great cross. Ospina saved well twice before Ozil scored with a fantastically composed finish. Hence, a good come-back and it’s nice to secure our place in the last sixteen so early in the group stage. Now we can focus on Spurs at the week-end. Hopefully Bellerin and Theo will return to give our right flank a more solid foundation. COYG!

  97. Peter Hughes

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:42 #94380

    It does seem that some of the negative posters on here are Spurs fans. It has got a little ridiculous lately when it seems no win is celebrated. Even some good goals are not praised. If I was an Arsenal fan on a Spurs forum I would be putting on most of the comments seen here. Hope the Arsenal fans enjoyed Ozil's goal.I did.

  98. Sputnik

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:30 #94378

    Great goal by Ozil. With the other team wearing green, it's a shame that Arsenal weren't wearing their famous red shirts / white sleeves. Even if there is no respect for tradition those in power should recognise the benefits of long term brand awareness over the temptation to promote a few sales of this years 3rd kit

  99. mbg

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:25 #94377

    Our bunch of complacent nice boys beat a bunch of cheerleading majorettes the goretts (that they were already 6-0 up against)and suddenly their world beaters, Messi's, Suarez's, Aguero's etc, etc, with the AKB's getting as moist as a freshly squeezed orange with wet dreams all over the place. You couldn't make it up.

  100. Daryn

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:14 #94376

    Giroud and Ramsey slow our game down to walking pace .were are so much more dangerous when we play at pace need to leave both on the bench and jenkinson might support Arsenal but he should be playing for a championship team that's his level

  101. IHA

    Nov 02, 2016, 13:11 #94375

    Hi Mark. Agree with your concerns about Mustafi. Looks like the honeymoon is over. It feels like his performance is dropping off. Less snappy in his work and errors creeping in. Nothing of major concern yet, but one to watch. I feel some of the Gibbs criticism for the second goal is a bit harsh. It was a great bit of play, and he got done, it happens to the best.

  102. mbg

    Nov 02, 2016, 12:58 #94374

    The perfect example of a bunch of complacent nice boys who just thought they had to turn up (how many times has that happened before)looking and smelling good, they were probably concentrating more on their hair and beards in the dressing room than the job in hand, this time the opposition was that poor it didn't back fire like all the others. wenger out.

  103. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 02, 2016, 12:33 #94373

    IHA - lovely goal by Ozil and when he scores they tend to be beauts though he does occasionally puff shot as seen with his penalties. I'm getting a bit of an issue with our defensive nous. Mustafi has been badly caught out twice in recent weeks. It's the defence that will be the reason for a title or not. Since Conte sorted out their tactics at Chelsea they are looking strong.

  104. Mark

    Nov 02, 2016, 12:32 #94372

    The defence was shocking last night.Jenkinson is never a premiership defender.As for Gibbs he needs a move as he is not going to dislodge Monreal ever.I am still not convinced by Mustafi he seems to have a mistake in his locker.Winning the group will only delay the inevitable because as soon as we meet on ohe big boys we are out

  105. IHA

    Nov 02, 2016, 12:22 #94371

    I challenge mbg to say that he just enjoyed watching Ozil's goal last night. Not 'I enjoyed it but.......', but simply 'I enjoyed it'. Shouldn't be too hard for an Arsenal supporter. Actually you don't even need to be an Arsenal supporter, just someone who likes football, who is not a swamp dweller. Bet he can't do it.

  106. jjetplane

    Nov 02, 2016, 12:02 #94370

    Ozil will be lauded in AKB circles for the rest of the century as The Man who took Ludogorets down. He will have nightmares and people will snigger as he walks by and he will have to live with opposing fans singing Ozil and Wenger must stay .... Can someone get that song off Untold about Ozil now being better than Messi because he scored against Ludogorets. While we are at it check Atwood moaning about how little old Arsenal don't get praised in the press for their great Euro comeback against Bulgaria's powerhouse club that featured arguably the best and most important goal ever scored by an Arsenal player while all City could do was beat Barca when they needed to. Last time Arsenal were in that position with Barca Messi laughed his way through the match. He would have been forgiven for thinking he was playing Ludogorets. Have to knee jerk and say Gundogen is the one to watch in the PL and CL. Ozil has a lot to learn about being both silky and effective.

  107. chris dee

    Nov 02, 2016, 11:32 #94369

    Another game, another example that our 'defence' is nowhere good enough.This is down to the complete lack of any defensive organisation by Arsene and his coaches and an inbuilt arrogance that 'our football ' will always win the day.That's certainly worked for the last 11 years hasn't it? Go two down in fifteen minutes in our next two games and our Premiership hopes will be shafted for yet another season.

  108. jjetplane

    Nov 02, 2016, 11:11 #94368

    So Ozil is having his big Engish moment playing Bulgarian factory workers and AKBs have a song about where Mesut the thumb sucker is better than Zidane?! The goal would never have happened against better opposition and more perspective is provided by watching Man City beat Barca when they had too and not when Barca let them. Utterly unconvincing but par for the course. PSG will top the group and Arsenal will go for the LC .....

  109. Paulo75

    Nov 02, 2016, 11:03 #94367

    Great 3 points especially after PSG's late winner. Not so convincing a performance mind you. Agree that Giroud now mainly becomes the option from the bench, his positive soundbites in the media this week are in stark contrast to his pained expression for the majority of the last two years. Disappointed the OX was benched after some decent recent performances but think he should start on Sunday.