Out for the Count

Online Ed: Saint’s KO Gunners from League Cup for second time in three seasons



Out for the Count


Ed’s note – Many thanks to Gooner contributor Layth Yousif for stepping in and doing the write-up on last night’s League Cup quarter final.

Minutes after Arsenal lost to Southampton 2-0 in the fifth round of the EFL Cup Arsene Wenger said: “We lacked decisiveness, we lacked a sharp spirit – especially in the first 45 minutes. We were passive at the back. It was a surprise to me.”

The only question I can counter with is why?

As Kev’s away sunning himself on his private island (Ed’s note – I wish) he kindly asked me to cover for him for this morning’s editorial.

Where to start? Well, let’s get the positives out of the way. Personally it had been a good week, as myself and a Luton Town supporting journalist colleague – who only mentions April 24, 1988 fewer than three or four times a day - got a world exclusive on Monday as we beat every other news publication on the planet and located the scumbag Barry Bennell.

I also had a successful Waterstones book signing, a preview piece on last night’s game on the official Southampton website, an article in last night’s match programme, and a news piece about people smugglers printed in the New European newspaper.

I really love my newly purchased ‘bruised banana’ bobble hat that I wore last night.

And November is over.

Now for the bad news.

Arsenal are out of the League Cup. We lost our 19 match unbeaten run, stretching back to the first game of the season. We were poor. And disjointed. And we were knocked out by a far more streetwise team. At home. Only three games from Wembley.

Credit where credit is due. When not using the season ticket I’ve had for 30+ years I cover Arsenal home and away from the press box. But for league cup games I always make a point of taking at least one of my three children – sometimes two, and for the 6-1 game v Coventry all three - when Olivier Giroud netted his first Arsenal goal and missed a penalty.

Because it’s a fiver a kid. The club receives deserved criticism about having the highest ticket prices in the world. But the fact I could purchase my own season ticket seat for a tenner and use my mate’s seat who sits next to me - Mozzy the mechanic - for my daughter for a very reasonable price, deserves to be applauded.

As does the fact opening up The Emirates to tens of thousands of fans who may not normally have the chance to attend has got to be a good thing.

But what they saw last night was poor.

Yes Saints’ increasingly impressive former Groningen and Celtic centre half Virgil van Dijk was a towering presence, ditto keeper Fraser Forster, and Sofiane Boufal’s third start after his £21 million summer transfer from Lille showed his undoubted promise by repeatedly powering into space.

Not least when his first time shot after Champions League winner Ryan Bertrand pulled the ball back saw the ball fall to Dutch international Jordy Clasie to strike powerfully and accurately into the net to make it 1-0.

As someone who is still reeling from Nathaniel Clyne’s 35 yard stunner that saw Southampton knock us out of the League Cup two years ago, it pains me to concede from distance against this progressive South Coast club with a superb academy.

And that’s without pondering the fact Charlie Austin, Nathan Redmond, Jose Fonte and Cedric Soares didn’t even play.

But there was still no excuse for Arsenal having such a fragile backline and a lack of cohesion throughout the side.

The kindest thing to say is that Granit Xhaka looked busy, and will certainly benefit from having one more game in England under his belt while he tries to acclimatise.


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  1. Alsace

    Dec 02, 2016, 15:17 #95238

    No, come on, Jamerson's right. We don't care about the League Cup. We care about being associated with cheese eating surrender monkeys. We care about being associated with losers and losing. We care about players taking £150,000 a week who can't tackle or cross, or finish, or get in the right position or defend. We care about getting rid of Wenger and the creatures I like to call Wenger's tapeworms. Also, I'll bet my bottom dollar that Jamerson is a Brexiteer. How is that position compatible with putting up for 20 years with an enemy power of occupation who keeps us weak helpless and dependent on a messy mediocrity.

  2. Bonzo

    Dec 02, 2016, 9:36 #95226

    Jamee - oh dear oh dear, shall we grow a pair as well oh Macho man of the Caravan. When you've stopped throwing your tired cliche's around, Please tell what we are actually going to be competing for? Ps: I have another song for you soon. It features all the favourite freaks!

  3. mbg

    Dec 02, 2016, 2:31 #95221

    Bonzo, there used to be theories a plenty on here about the Arsenal medical room out at London Colney, around the time of Diaby, when injured you entered by a secret room known only to TOF and couple of his senior consultants who were actually vulcans of the crew of the star ship enterprise, when the injured arrived in they went, and there was a beam up station, TOF just told the operator how many to beam up and off they went wally, jack, diaby etc, whoever, limping crawling made their way to the platform, the operator who looked very like rob the chef would say energise and they'd be gone, they'd arrive in deep space and there would be spock, Zulu, scottie, uhora, (the carthorse loves her)Kirk, all the lads, only kirk wasn't in command he was taking a back seat instead there was Diaby at the helm running the show, telling everybody it was lovely here, and off they'd go on a six month mission to find a special rock to cure them only returning to pick up never to drop off, but every so often lights would be seen late at night over London colney and disappear again and the next match diaby or who ever was injured would appear for the warm up and be down as subs and we'd hear from TOF how his medical department are top top qualittee and have served in hospitals and medical departments all over the world, while it was really Dr mcoy accompanied by wengers chief medic some witch doctor from papa new guinea, with wengers Mercedes cigarette lighter (which jack always tried to borrow) moving it all over the injury and telling TOF they were healed, but of course the inevitable happened as it always does. Yes the old starship enterprise theories regarding our injured we'll have to get them revived as there's been plenty of funny sightings and lights seen around London Colney lately.

  4. Diogene

    Dec 02, 2016, 1:58 #95220

    TOF knew before the game that Elneny was unwell but kept playing him??!! Which credibility does he have left ? DOES HE WANT TO WIN SOMETHING?

  5. Paul Ward

    Dec 01, 2016, 23:09 #95218

    If you thought last night was bad , news that Santi's season is virtually over is the nail in the coffin of season 2016/2017. There's no way he can be replaced by anyone in the squad, with the possible exception of Wilshere who is otherwise engaged.Think the Wenger end game is very close indeed now, will be gone by the end of May.

  6. Bonzo

    Dec 01, 2016, 22:56 #95217

    I wouldn't go anywhere near that Arsenal medical room. Go in there with a sniffle, come out with some life threatening disease. Poor old Santi! On second thoughts Jamee have you ever thought of popping in for a check up. They'll treat you really well. Honest....

  7. mbg

    Dec 01, 2016, 22:38 #95216

    Brighton Gooner, it's because of his ego and arrogance and because he can do what he likes, there's no one to tell him otherwise, no one to tell him this is what we want, no one to give him orders, he runs the show, whatever he says goes, no one for him to answer to whatsoever that's why he throws competitions, he done it to the FA Cup for long enough (with the blessing of all his luvvies and AKB wengerites) until it saved his skinny arse (and would do so again in the blink of an eye) a very very unhealthy position for any manager to be in (and there's not another one in a position like that in the world of football)and indeed that has been proved over and over the years long before last night and we all know who helps to keep him there. wenger out and all his wengerites with him.

  8. Wobby Wotten

    Dec 01, 2016, 22:20 #95215

    Or E) bell end bonzo and his band of cronies.

  9. Bonzo

    Dec 01, 2016, 20:18 #95213

    Who's to blame: A): Wengo B): Jamee (Sex Freak) C:) Gimp boy Leekey D:) All of the above

  10. Brighton Gooner

    Dec 01, 2016, 20:06 #95212

    Yet again TOF has thrown an opportunity to win a domestic cup that we haven't won for over 20 years. Why does he think a cobbled together mix of kids and rusty 2nd string players can beat a decent Premier League team, who have knack of embarrassing us in recent years. What's the betting he will field a full strength team against Ludgorets in a futile attempt to win the Group. We all know the FA cup will go the same way before we suffer the annual humiliation in the Champions Leasgue.

  11. Alsace

    Dec 01, 2016, 18:29 #95211

    The ticket price reflects the seriousness with which Wenger takes the competition. It's the reserves. He has always done this. If we actually go on and win something then all well and good, but he isn't really interested in winning, just in keeping his job.

  12. Mad Monk

    Dec 01, 2016, 18:25 #95210

    We won't win the league we won't win the Champions league our best chance for silverware is the cups that's what we have become (a spuddy type team) and Wenger has already stated getting 4th is better than the 2 domestic cups. This mentality will never change with the new breed of fan's that have infested the home games and read Untold as they keep chanting Wengers name and somehow are content with this garbage. Wenger will get a new contract and it will be groundhog day for the next 3 year's and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it and we will have to put up with that smug c#*t Attwood from Untold

  13. mbg

    Dec 01, 2016, 16:23 #95209

    JohnF, that was just them giving the signal for/to the wasters to start sucking their thumbs, or to stick them in another dark meaningless hole on their bodies.

  14. Mark

    Dec 01, 2016, 16:23 #95208

    apparently we dont have a big enough squad to chase all trophies? are you telling me Elnelby and Swiss guy are a better Investment than Kante ? same same old...

  15. mbg

    Dec 01, 2016, 15:53 #95207

    Do you really think opening up the Emirates to tens of thousands of fans who may not normally have the chance to attend is a good thing, and deserves to be applauded ? i'd have thought it would give them night mares and put them off (the club) for life, maybe that's the good thing your referring to. wenger out

  16. Mark

    Dec 01, 2016, 15:50 #95206

    Jenkinson should have been sold ages ago, he doesn't have what it takes to wear the Arsenal shirt and that goes for a small group of players still turning out and being carried by the rest of the tea. Wenger thinks sending players out on loan stops them moaning and asking for a move if he still has plans for them, fact he does it now without even thinking, it does give them first team action and can improve them but how many white elephants have come back to haunt us from loan spells in past years and they could not even get arrested let-alone sold!. We need class in key positions like Ozil and Sanchez, you wouldn't shine a torch on some of the others. If all this continues the only way it will be settled when supporters show it by not turning up for matches and hitting Kroenke where it hurts most.. in the pocket. Not if, but WHEN Wenger eventually leaves we need a world class manager, maybe someone like Diego Simeone to pull us out of this Darby and Joan Club we have endured for years with empty promises, we know Wenger and Kroenke don't give a hoot for the supporters, fact is he treats us with contempt and this is the problem with Wenger today.

  17. Jude

    Dec 01, 2016, 15:18 #95205

    What a coincidence. Our worst game of the season and Ramsey's in the number 10. Can't wait to read/hear the excuses for his performance. He has the audacity to moan about playing out of position, but he's lucky to pull on an Arsenal shirt. Can we recall Jack, please?

  18. Torbay Gooner

    Dec 01, 2016, 15:17 #95204

    Hey everyone, remember November is our bogey month and we managed to hold out until the last day! Never mind the fact that the month consisted of mainly rubbish performances. Wenger has only had 20 attempts to win this tournament, maybe next year, ha!!

  19. John F

    Dec 01, 2016, 15:05 #95203

    I did see Wenger and Bould whilst sitting on the bench putting their thumbs up which showed they were giving some tactical advice and encouragement to the team.I could tell Wenger was not too bothered as I never saw him have a his usual go at the fourth official during the match which is so vital in turning the teams fortunes around as witnessed in the past,works every time. I'm dreading Payet v Jenkinson.The only good thing is that West Ham have an equally bad right back but if Wenger plays Ramsey on the left like at OT then any advantage will be lost and it will be back to fourth official baiting and thumbs again.

  20. mbg

    Dec 01, 2016, 14:59 #95202

    So it's a sharp speeritt now, who or what does this f*****g clown think we are, what a fooking fraud an embarrassment, could someone please put him and us out of our misery. wenger out now.

  21. mbg

    Dec 01, 2016, 14:49 #95201

    We were counted out a long long time ago and have never got up thanks to an old past it fraud of a manager, go now you embarrassment. We want wenger out.

  22. GS

    Dec 01, 2016, 14:35 #95199

    Nothing to do with the loss last night , win, lose or draw , if Wenger wanted the best for Arsenal he would have left a few yrs ago. Sadly , I think your right Mark, can't see him leaving at all. At worse he will move "upstairs" which will be like a noose for a New manager , the saga will just roll on and on, with AKBs & WOB slagging it for yrs to come.zzzzzzzz

  23. Ron

    Dec 01, 2016, 14:24 #95198

    hi Mark - The 8 Mill salary is the reward for being the Boards (Kreonkes) flak 'lightening conductor'. Top 4 each yr, SKs happy. New contract for AW and so on and on it shall go unless AW says otherwise. Personally, i think that if AW was going to finish this Summer he would have said so last Summer or even before. He ll go another yr and then a roll on contract if he wants it i think.

  24. Mark

    Dec 01, 2016, 14:12 #95197

    This defeat could've been avoided if Wenger had put a half quality team together for the match. I know he hates this competition and doesn't mind a blow to team reputation to get knocked out but if he thinks resting key players for the PL matters then it will not result in any different scenario come the end of the season, a fourth at best is all we can expect, this will eventually force players like Ozil and Sanchez to eventually leave because his promises to them in building a world class team to match the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona etc will prove empty, Wenger in his old age is slowly becoming slow and senile in his approach to logic when making decisions. He will be at the club until the day he dies drawing that excessive wage for failure season after season, Arsenal are sleeping giants and could be superior to Manchester City, Chelsea and even maybe Manchester Utd eventually, fact is ambition is no longer important in this jaded man's mind and the majority shareholder loves this too in his ignorance in bestowing Wenger with almost total power with no recourse for his actions except what the press and supporters say and do... we all know how much respect he has for both of those!.

  25. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 01, 2016, 14:04 #95196

    Weng and Punxatawney Phil are lying in bed after a night of tossing of turning. Weng senses that the rodent is a little out of sorts and asks, "Pheel, Pheel qu'est-ce qu'il y a mon petit chou fleur"? The New England native ground-hog sighs, and says, "You're really riding me Arsene, literally and figuratively; 16 years of this ratsh*t is getting rather repetitive even for a specialist like me! We're already both pumped full of a mixture and formaldehyde and creosote to keep us going, and my old boss Stan has kindly lent me his favourite merkin to cover up my widening tonsure. Frankly, I simply cannot do another year of this same old, same old. I quit and I suggest you do the same at the end of this season. "Merde alors Pheel" replied the former football manager, "Tu as raison peut-etre, maybe it is time to hang up my chaussures aussi".....to be continued.

  26. GoonerRon

    Dec 01, 2016, 13:43 #95195

    **** performance. You'd expect the fringe players to be busting a gut to prove they're worth a place in the team, but certainly not on last nights showing. I don't care what competition it is, I never want to see Arsenal lose so last night's result is annoying. Need to buck our ideas up and find some form, quickly.

  27. Peter Wain

    Dec 01, 2016, 13:36 #95194

    same old same old groundhog season every year. Wenger out now.

  28. Hi Berry

    Dec 01, 2016, 13:21 #95193

    ....and on course to win the calendar year league for the second year in a row so I read over on Untold. What I can't understand is...if we won the calendar year league two years in a row....why aren't we champions?

  29. smithy

    Dec 01, 2016, 12:56 #95192

    Well done lads! We are top of the league ( the premier injuries league).

  30. Know Man

    Dec 01, 2016, 12:34 #95191

    In keeping with form, another poor display by Arsenal. Different personel same performance. This is in keeping with current form. We've not played well all season. In October we just about beat Swansea and needed last minute goals from Giroud to beat Sunderland. Look at the results we're in a false position. Wenger doesn't know what he's doing. A poor November now to boot. I don't blame the players. The manager sends the team out with tactics and a message. We're not creating any chances and he's to blame.

  31. Paulo75

    Dec 01, 2016, 12:27 #95190

    Ron, agreed - but I just think an element of blame lies with individuals pride in their own performance. These are professionals in their industry after all. Not a memorable night in the history of Arsenal FC whichever way you look at it.

  32. Ron

    Dec 01, 2016, 12:05 #95189

    Paulo - its Wengs job to send a motivated team on to the field. They clearly didnt care last night in that 1st half especially. Most dont complain about using fringe players in the LC but when the efforts clearly not there because they know the Coach doesn't care its time to wrap up and roll on surely. 1st LC game ive watched for ages and the last i venture. Saints were good though.

  33. Paulo75

    Dec 01, 2016, 11:59 #95188

    Not so sure Wenger is to blame for all the wrongs of last night. Extremely poor show from the majority given the chance to make a case for themselves. Regardless of competition we were 2 games from a major Cup Final and offered very little. Indefensible (pardon the pun).

  34. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 01, 2016, 11:34 #95187

    If the author is a journalist, that would explain the dreadful layout of this report. One staccato paragraph after another of stating the obvious. A job at the Beeb beckons.

  35. Ron

    Dec 01, 2016, 11:28 #95186

    The only surprise about that shambles last night will be if anyone is actually surprised. Wengs is just so full of s--t, he insults the fans intelligence routinely.

  36. GoonerGoal!

    Dec 01, 2016, 11:27 #95185

    Goodbye November! Groundhog month 2016. One win, lots of draws, one defeat, and where are we? Once again just about hanging on to the teams at the top of the Premier League before we finally fall away in the Spring. Destined to finish second in our Champions League Group before going out at the 1st KO stage, and out of the League Cup with a team of kids and under-motivated squad players beaten by a less than ordinary team. Yep, it's 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009 etc. etc. etc. all over again. Nothing changes... WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  37. Red Member

    Dec 01, 2016, 11:25 #95184

    Mark - I understand your sentiments exactly. I have been arguing on various forums now for the past FIVE years that whilst the season ticket holders keep renewing then you will continue to get the same season. I have been proved right sadly. I dont blame those last night though - for £10 the future supporters of the club were in attendance last night and not the season ticket holders

  38. Bard

    Dec 01, 2016, 10:50 #95183

    There are too many prophets of doom on here. I admit I had a sleepless night grieving the loss of the potential 'quadruple' but then i remembered Graham's profound 'count your blessings' post. Lets be grateful that the team had matching shirts and seemed to know which end to play towards even though the couldnt locate the opposition goal. Lets be grateful that the Weng abdicated any responsibility for the result and blamed the players just like his nemesis Maureen. Lets be grateful that we have given another club an opportunity to win it. Sometimes you have to see the bigger picture. Incidentally I thought the ref was bent and we were robbed.

  39. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Dec 01, 2016, 10:42 #95182

    Andy Carroll is licking his chops in anticipation of the one fixture a season that he is made to look like a world beater in! The 'unbeaten' league sequence is ready to go, in truth we have been lucky on numerous occasions since the opening day. Out of the league cup? Tick. Ready for a last 16 CL thrashing? Tick. 4th place in the league? Tick. This seasons groundhog effect is beginning to take shape very nicely indeed isn't it

  40. Mark

    Dec 01, 2016, 10:41 #95181

    Just counting the days till that fraud Wenger finally goes.Do you know who is to blame for him still being at the club?Did you go last night?You are.As long as fans renew ST's Wenger will remain regardless of what goes on the pitch.Do you know who i feel sorry for? Alexis Sanchez a player unlike the rest of that shower (and i include Ozil who turns up when he wants)who has a will to win every game.He is wasted at the club with its 4th place mentality.

  41. Tony Evans

    Dec 01, 2016, 10:22 #95180

    Depressingly predictable, and no surprise whatsoever for the vast majority of posters on this site I am sure. Next up will be the last 16 ko in the CL I suppose, and then the battle for 4th place zzzzzz! Wenger has taken Groundhog Day to a new level hasn't he. FA Cup anyone? Not if it keeps Wenger in his job though!

  42. Wardy

    Dec 01, 2016, 10:18 #95179

    Keiran Gibbs captain and AW smiling at the final whistle says it all ,,,,,, shameful performance so let the apathy continue towards a top 4 finish and a balance sheet in the positive

  43. King Jeremy

    Dec 01, 2016, 9:17 #95178

    It's simple what happened last night - the manager's contempt for the competition fed down to the players and was reflected in their performance. Frankly, it's the façade that the club actually care about the competition that galls the most. Even at £10/20 a ticket those attending last night deserved far, far more respect. I would rather next year the club just be honest in that they have no interest in the competition and just play the youth team from the 3rd round. That way at least we are saved the frustration of beginning to smell Wembley, only for an arrogant manager to display his lack of respect for the competition and most importantly, us the fans. Yes, dropping the "first 11" was the right thing to do given potential January fixture congestion, but then not doing his job - managing - and putting out an 11 with at least a hint of motivation is a disgusting slap in the face for those who love the club. Roll on that rolling contract!

  44. Rob

    Dec 01, 2016, 9:13 #95177

    Congratulations for the scoop and having your article published. The Arsenal are not newsworthy these days so that's all!

  45. BW

    Dec 01, 2016, 8:37 #95176

    Last night's match was my first trip back to the E******s for a few years. Idly hoping for a bit of success, it was an abysmal performance. For a team who'd made eight changes of their own, Southampton looked much the brighter side, whereas we had lots of possession, were tepid up front and managed no shots on target in the first half. Sound familiar? And can someone explain how Rambo was left up front as a centre forward?

  46. GS

    Dec 01, 2016, 8:27 #95175

    We had 10 changes they had 8, so it's down to tactics, game plan & desire, they had it , we did not. Wenger just sent the players out with no plan, and 1 player unwell, he said he could see elneny was no better after 10mins but left him on for another 30, why . Sfc are a credit to football, they lose their best players and managers but still produce some decent results and football. A lesson for Arsenal maybe ? Win or lose, Wenger is still clueless.

  47. Wear Your Colours

    Dec 01, 2016, 8:21 #95174

    We were lack-luster up front, mediocre in the midfield and all over the show at the back where Gibbs and Jenkinson were absolutely terrible. Ramsey, given the number ten role and a chance to power the team to glory, played absolutely awfully. A really bad night at the Emirates.

  48. Khal Drogo

    Dec 01, 2016, 8:01 #95173

    We have seen this over and over again! The same old **** keeps repeating. Either play the first team or just play the reserves. Our downfall starts in December. We're in for more excuses. Wenger just get out man. Please just leave at the end of the season

  49. Aussie

    Dec 01, 2016, 7:42 #95172

    Can't believe the excuses throughout the media and from the man himself for this defeat to a side that have sold the cream of their players to other clubs. The Saints are becoming a real thorn in Arsenal's side. Not that I'm overly bothered about this particular comp but the real point for me is the lack of quality depth in the roster. I cringe every time I think of Wenger's squandering the opportunity to purchase Suarez. At worst we could have seen two more trophies and a handsome profit from his onward sale.

  50. smithy

    Dec 01, 2016, 7:38 #95171

    Awful. Rubbish . Merde. Only Maitland Niles came out the game with any credit- a possible starter for the next league game.