The Art of Falling Apart

Arsenal fans have been conditioned to accept, and overpay, for an inferior product



The Art of Falling Apart


It was supposed to be a new season, what with rumours of this being Wenger's swansong, where he would try to do something about his legacy, but December 2016 already feels like December 2015...or 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011. You get the picture. Out of a cup? Check (League Cup). Staring up at the leaders of the EPL from a significant distance? Check. Drawn against a team widely believed to be almost certain to dump Arsenal out of the last 16 in the CL? Check. (Of course, Wenger, in a massive justification of his £8M-plus-bonus salary, managed actually to finish top of the group for a change, thanks to PSG screwing things up.) Wenger moaning about referees and fixture lists in December when he knew about the fixtures in July? Check. Sigh.

So what went wrong? Exactly the same things that have been wrong in the last eight years and that everyone and his uncle minus AKBs have known - this team falls apart the moment it finds itself in a position where the others are chasing them down. The players must accept a lot of the blame, but the majority of it lies with the manager. It is Wenger, and Wenger alone, that has made some pretty ordinary players massive millionaires without expecting anything in return, much like his own self.

If Walcott fluffed that chance at Citeh, who has allowed him literally to thieve a living at Arsenal for ten years? It’s a shocking indictment of Wenger's inability to own up to mistakes, and correct them by offloading underperforming players, that Walcott is now owed a testimonial. If this was just a stray mistake or even a limited number of mistakes, one could have lived with it. However, Wenger is a repeat offender at this sort of nonsense. We won't go over the long list of names in the failed Project Youth, for everyone knows them well, but he learns nothing from it and goes right ahead and signs more average players on big salaries, whilst retaining average players like Ramsey and offering them contract renewals. That Diaby could take so many millions out of the club and even get a contract renewal should alone have been grounds for sacking the manager for accountability. But no. At Arsenal, Wenger was allowed to go ahead and sign Diaby Mark II (Sanogo) on indecent wages, rescuing him from a life of delivering letters and parcels. When was the last time Sanago got a run-out in an Arsenal jersey?

Having learned nothing from signing has-been Silvestre, he goes right ahead and signs a has-been in Cech. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the likes of Cheatski and ManYoo will never let us sign players that could be a threat to them - Arsenal is the only "top" club directly selling its best players to rivals. Since the club has refuted Wenger's contention of paucity of funds after the stadium move, I am now convinced of my long-held suspicions - funds were always there for Wenger but he chose to waste it on utter trash like Denilson and Bendtner.

Wenger's megalomania has nearly destroyed the club's foundations and has ushered in a decade of mediocrity dressed up as achievement worth the most expensive tickets in the world, while he and his team have made money hand over fist with zero accountability. Others, notably Bould and Rice, in the Wenger culture, have feathered their own nest while disregarding the interests of the club. It’s not wrong to earn money, but to see heroes like Rice and Bould accepting being reduced to putting out the cones tarnishes their images in the eyes of fans; at least the ones that know the history of these two.

Would Bould, in his playing days, have stood for his defence allowing the opposition left-back to cross to the opposition right-back who ends up scoring, as happened against Everton? I guarantee a few players would have been walking with a busted eardrum. This is another problem – yes-men are the backbone of Wenger’s audacious last decade and this is crucial to his escaping any and all accountability. After all, where Wenger interviews the incoming CEO it can't be expected that Wenger will be held to any form of accountability.

The buck has never stopped with Wenger and it never will. It will always be someone else's fault - namely, the referee, fourth official, mysteriously-brutal fixture lists that affect only Wenger, opposition (if and when they dare to put up a fight to Lord Wenger's team), earth, moon, sun, rain, thunder and everything else in between. But never Wenger. Same as how other clubs are perfectly capable of doing transfer business when the window is officially shut (in June, for example) but Wenger has to wait till August 1st and more often till August 31st. Not that any of this should be unknown to any sane Arsenal fan. Of whom, unfortunately, fewer and fewer are seen at the Emirates, which in itself is another massive problem helping Wenger trouser a massive salary while escaping hard questions. The ones who come are probably what the ManYoo fans used to be called - the prawn sandwich variety. They come to eat, drink, take selfies and do everything else besides watch the game. The only time they get riled up is when anyone questions their Lord and God. Then it descends into violence. Which suits Arsenal and Wenger just fine - keep overpaying for the tickets, support the manager while he wins nothing of note, and don't ask any questions. I suppose so long as these are a majority of the fans attending games, nothing will change because fan unrest will never build up (even if the Stalinist club were to allow any form of disagreement in public).

Arsenal fans have been conditioned to accept, and overpay, for an inferior product and on this I must doff my hat to Wenger – he can easily conquer Goebbels and Kim Jung (creative liberty of throwing together two separate eras) put together where propaganda is concerned. Wenger’s the smoothest-talking con-artist that the world of football has perhaps ever seen or will see, and the best propagandists from around the world should sit at his feet and take lessons from him.

Of course, a spineless and clueless media has helped him along by asking no questions, and he ensures that it’s always this way by banning those media people who do ask questions (Jacqui Oatley). It’s a vicious circle, I suppose. Only true fan unrest can break this circle, but, for the above-mentioned reasons, this will never happen. Meanwhile…we can live in hope that Kevin Whitcher’s prediction of this being the last season is accurate…and then we see Myles Palmer’s prediction of 2019. Confusion all around...well, I suppose I haven’t spent 30 years in football so what do I know?


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  1. Fast Hare

    Dec 24, 2016, 0:20 #96135

    Heard that PSG wants Rip VanWenger. If there is any truth I beg you please do Arsenal a favour GO

  2. Bergkamp10

    Dec 23, 2016, 10:54 #96098

    Well this has been pretty said a hundred times before. Remember Wenger had the difficulty of leaving Highbury and the Emirates Stadium to work around, however I agree with you totally that he should have done much better. Also his salary should be at least half of what he earns, with the difference made up of bonus for winning cups, league, etc. This may be would of changed a success rate a little. I do disagree on Cech however. He has made a huge difference to the defensive unit & probably saved us 9-12 points last season and will again this season.

  3. Bonzo

    Dec 22, 2016, 13:12 #96064

    Peter - don't give the delusional Jamee an inch, it's actually heading for 13 years since a title. In terms of management tenure to trophy return no. / years , he is way behind Chapman and GG. If they do give him 2 more seasons and still no title he will actually be in the lower performer bracket. The stats reflect what we have known for years. A man who can't cut it at the highest level but probably good enough for Southampton or Swansea

  4. Peter

    Dec 22, 2016, 12:53 #96062

    Post No. 101761 Jamerson once again you have missed the point. WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING EXCEPT 2 F.A.CUPS FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS OR MORE.

  5. Bonzo

    Dec 22, 2016, 9:46 #96054

    Jameeba - don't give me all this Christmas codswallop. A fat boy like you isn't going to turn down a Christmas Pud and triffle for afters.

  6. Bonzo

    Dec 22, 2016, 7:57 #96052

    Jameeba - your going to the fiery pit with a pitchfork up your Arse. Now do you like custard or brandy butter with your Christmas pudding?

  7. mbg

    Dec 22, 2016, 1:11 #96050

    Jamerson, let me reword that for you, he was given the key to the bottomless pit then he opened the shaft of the bottomless pit and from the shaft he rose like a great plague over the club and it was darkened, and he was given power, power he didn't deserve and told not to harm the club but he didn't listen, he did and has been allowed to, and has done so for twelve years now and torment the fans for the same amount of time, but they have not long to go because he will soon flee them. wenger out.

  8. jjetplane

    Dec 22, 2016, 0:52 #96049

    Comedy gold for me this season so far supplied at Goodison with Monrealtrying to kick himself in the first half and then the deep praying Mesut ducking out at the corner. Still laughing and it goes well with a Marx Bros film for a warm up. Monreal and Ozil show. Those guys kill me. I mean the zip thing was good for the first few seasons but 20 is really taking the zip! Nice one Jamerson - do tell us you have visions. Go on .....

  9. mbg

    Dec 22, 2016, 0:28 #96048

    GS, your right, no matter what happens he'll still have his fans, they'll/they'd still see him as their messiah, they really would, even if he got us relegated they'd still support him and chant his name, I've no doubt about it such is their devotion to TOF, no doubt even wanting him to be kept on and given the chance to get us back up, how sad is that.

  10. anthony walters

    Dec 22, 2016, 0:12 #96047

    kc cheers .i still do hold him in hi regard but for the life of me can't see how this can continue .last season for instance we conceded half a dozen goals from centre backs turning their backs .centre backs for christ sake!when we score invariably the opposition as often as not create a goalscoring chance.yes the players are responsible but the lack of leadership comes from wenger.i have played coached and managed teams in local football and understand it ain't as easy as people often think but wenger get's 8 million a year yet we now have the best squad in years and in itself the results aren't that bad but it's the way we have thrown away leads against big teams the poor decision making the lack of purpose in our attacking and defending .the lack of game management and focus another example was last year home to chelsea when mertesacker got sent off we conceded within a minute .instead of battening down the hatches and digging in for a while watch monreal walk out at snail pace to let the crosser pick his spot.it's so damned frustrating .we simply do not have a winning mentality .

  11. KC

    Dec 21, 2016, 23:10 #96046

    At AW great posts more or less agree with you. I will say as a ST holder I did hold AW in high regard but his arrogance and continued inability to change make me fume. Sadly the man has sold his soul to Kronkes money and he has become a football fool because only a fool can not realise we are defensively and offensively short when we play good sides either away from home or over two legs, the results speak for themselves season after season.

  12. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 21, 2016, 22:16 #96045

    Kevin Whitcher vs Myles Palmer, sorry Kevin, no disrespect, but only one winner there. Myles NEVER gets it wrong, in fact, if he told me my sister was a man, I would believe him with his record. Wenger until 2019 ......at least, FACT. just a shame the club don't have the guts to tell us, but honesty has never been their thing, especially since Stan and the slithery Ivan came along

  13. anthony walters

    Dec 21, 2016, 22:09 #96044

    gs i wouldn't bet on it either but agree with pw that fan unrest will grow if the same old story continues and top 4 means less these days as tv premier league revenue is worth so much.

  14. mbg

    Dec 21, 2016, 22:07 #96043

    jj, yes that hasn't gone unnoticed and has been brought up over and over by fans ( doubtful by wengerites though as it might look bad on their lord and master) how he has apparently matured and become a better player under Howe, has smoking Jack even had an injury since he came back ? different training, different coaching, different tactics, different medical staff, and most of all a better manager, what's the betting it wouldn't work with/for the whole team. wenger out.

  15. GS

    Dec 21, 2016, 21:32 #96042

    Paul Ward : don't bank on it , the " proud of Wenger , ashamed of the fans" mob will be out in force whatever happens . The whole thing is a mess , it will take a massive Wenger out shift and that will only come if out of top 4 and the spuds above us . The saga continues . .....

  16. Paul Ward

    Dec 21, 2016, 21:00 #96041

    Don't agree that Wenger would survive a significant and pro longed fan revolt, when the fans turn on a manager his days are numbered, that is a fact of life in football. My guess is we will have between the Bayern defeat and the end of the season, at least half a dozen home games , to make sure we get rid of this man.

  17. Bonzo

    Dec 21, 2016, 20:53 #96040

    Jameeba - your a statistical genius please add to your brilliance by telling us the highest scoring Scotsman, Welshman, Northern Irishman and Republic of Ireland players in the Premier League.

  18. anthony walters

    Dec 21, 2016, 19:04 #96039

    john f i agree .empty seats mean less spending in shop,souvenirs and food .t.v. money is king true but club will see a can't be bothered to go as a sign of disgruntled fans.if wenger feels most fans don't want him is he so arrogant he will still stay ?i hope not.

  19. jjetplane

    Dec 21, 2016, 18:59 #96038

    Wenger is the worst most unarsenal thing to have evr happened to Arsenal. If not for Adams, DB10 and the rest (whom AKBs are always slagging off?) Wenger would have won **** all. Not a football man, never was and if all those rows of polite clappers with stupid grins on their faces is Arsenal support you're better off at a matinee. As an example we broke off from the shops today and saw the new Star Wars thinge. Never seen none before I was engaged for the two hours wholly. Now watching some accountant with no personality instructing his players to repeat the training session of 82 passes and back to the bemused goalie is a total non non (sic) and a sorely predictable narrative. Notice How Jack under a new more dynamic coach has slowed down and less inclined to rush into the next injury. Howe has him thinking about his game whereas Wenger with his two bob abstractive **** theory has rendered thinking irrelevant in a 306 pass movement back to a bemused goalie. That people have bought into the Wenger rot is just lazy but reckon it's too late for the Brand Emirates which has completely dislodged a once fine club called Arsenal. Well done yer ****ing bookclerk! Got me hair cut by one of our players today. Now that is what you call a family club.

  20. John F

    Dec 21, 2016, 18:46 #96037

    I did not think the protest last season was a complete failure.The next two games at home after the protest there was thousands of empty seats which I believe was a reaction to it.Nothing says more then empty seats at a stadium,although due to the tv money the club can cope it is hard to cover up and becomes a topic for the press to bring up with Wenger.

  21. anthony walters

    Dec 21, 2016, 18:42 #96036

    mr goswani .where in my statement does it say i believe wenger can fix it alone?it shows your myopic mindset is fixed one way and that is it.i believe it is time for change which will probably happen without us winning either of the premier or champions league come seasons end this i stated in my comment a probability.nowhere do i suggest he carries on or mention condoning attacks on protesting fans so why you comment on that i find baffling .you clearly are unable to read any balance in an article .i an not or have ever been a blind akb nor have i ever been rabidly wob either if we fail in the trophies mentioned wenger will feel the heat from the fans had we not won the fa cup a couple of years ago he may have gone then.

  22. Somak Goswami

    Dec 21, 2016, 18:16 #96034

    Anthony Walters, credible people have complained on social media that AKB's ganged up on them if they protested. One example is of the Wenger out card waving people who were assaulted by Wenger loyalists purely because they chose to protest against Wenger. I believe a gentleman, holding the infamous 'Thanks for the memories but it's time to go...." banner was also assaulted by Wenger apologists. Kevin Whitcher himself has written an article or two on these events, including one where His Highness Lord Wenger ensured that anti-Wenger banners were confiscated....at Man Citeh!!!!!! I've never heard of such clamp down on dissent. Also, I believe, in general that many old time fans complain of no atmosphere in the club because it's filled with tourists (nothing wrong in that) and Wenger loyalists who can't be arsed with the game...until someone protests against Wenger. Then it all heats up. In any event, you're entitled to your opinion that Wenger alone can fix things, but after a 8 year wait (I realized in 2008 that Wenger will not be able to fix anything and should go) I'm a little bit "jaded" and want Wenger to go before he destroys whatever else is left of the soul of the club. And Gazidis should follow him right out the door as well.

  23. Somak Goswami

    Dec 21, 2016, 18:02 #96033

    Jamerson, it's disingenuous use of the term "Englishman" to narrow the field down so much that Walcott turns out the winner. What, now there's going to be a cup for the highest scoring "Englishman" in the EPL? You sound like Wenger in disguise, mate. In any event, the problem with Wenger fans is that they never do their research properly. As far as I know, Defoe is supposed to be an "Englishman" and he's scored 8 EPL goals so far - same as Walcott. That too at a team like Sunderland. And I'll give a written guarantee that he's probably on less than half of Walcott's wages. Michail Antonio, also an Englishman, playing for West Ham, of all clubs, is on 7 goals and probably 1/4th of Walcott's wages. So, what point were you trying to prove again? That "fools" know nothing and regurgitate? Quite. One last bit of education - The only time Walcott has crossed 10 EPL goals for Arsenal, since he was signed in 2005, was in 2012-13 when he scored 14. Considering his fees and wages, is that a good return on investment? Please advise.

  24. anthony walters

    Dec 21, 2016, 17:48 #96032

    no arsenal champions league or premier league win both very highly unlikely but not impossible i am convinced there will be a parting of the ways and rightly so.arsene wenger has been a consistently very good manager despite his failings and i believe led us into a new stadium and the 21st century and kept arsenal in the top 4 for 20 years never done before though domestic cups meant more in those days of course.i personally see bergkamp and henry as a bit reflective of wenger on the biggest of stages good enough to be amongst the worlds best on their day but didn't make the difference in the biggest matches of all ie.how many cup finals did henry and bergkamp play in and score in for club and country. wenger 3 european finals 3 defeats.time for change and most fans i think want that.mr somak goswani it is the pot calling the kettle black calling wenger arrogant when like some others you assume ridiculously like so many that the emirates crowd are prawn sandwich eating tourists happy taking pictures and en masses blindly loyal to wenger.fact vast majority of the crowd are season ticket holders for years or season ticket holders who waited years for one and most of the rest of the crowd red or silver members paying 50 quid just to be one .this makes your tourist arguement look what it is pathetic an idiotic when faced with fact.tourists are a small percentage of fans at a game and ones taking selfies during play a rarity.the majority of fans are older i think the average age over 40 is what i read somewhere so older fans in general remember things weren't always great before wenger.around me where i sit during the protest last season 2 people held cards and protested 1 believes wenger is still the right man still half a dozen others hope for better like myself but believe end of contract wenger goes it is time for change.at a guess most want him to go with dignity and do not want to protest against the man respecting past achievements.to say they passively accept mediocrity is stupid when wenger took chamberlain off v man utd a few years ago virtually everyone rose in anger booing many singing you don't know whay you're doing and last year v swansea after the manu debacle the fans were furious ans showed it on the evening venting their anger.the truth is probably a small percentage are rabidly pro wenger and a small percentage like you rabidly anti wenger the majority love arsenal want to support the team and desperate for success and now reluctantly want change.

  25. Moscow Gooner

    Dec 21, 2016, 17:00 #96031

    Interesting and apt comment on 'Stalinism'. Take a look at an Arsenal programme from the late 'sixties or early 'seventies, and you'll see that dissent was allowed and a variety of opinions came through in 'letters to the editor'. Some of the comments were caustic. Compare and contrast with the glossy propaganda sheet that masquerades as a club programme these days - and sells at 50 times the price. All is sweetness and light in 'Wenger-land' and Big Brother is watching....

  26. mbg

    Dec 21, 2016, 16:48 #96030

    jw, as we all know mate it doesn't take much to get his fan club moist, thirty passes left right up and down and back to the keeper is enough, just wait until we roll over and pass the next relegation fodder to death they'll be creaming themselves and raving something stupid about egg on face. You couldn't make it up. Go now wenger and take you fan boys with you.

  27. Wobby Wotten

    Dec 21, 2016, 15:39 #96029

    2017 is our year. Watch us push on. League champions by April. In Wenger We Trust. And don't forget it.

  28. David

    Dec 21, 2016, 15:29 #96028

    "Redshirtswhitesleeves 11:57am 21st Dec 2016 Arsenal do not exist to be the best, merely to come high enough to ensure the champions league revenue continues to come in and swell the coffers" - Exactly. Arguably the best run club from a business perspective. They have an income of over 400 million euro per annum thanks to always being in the top four and winning the Champions League. Why would Stan want to change that?

  29. David

    Dec 21, 2016, 15:15 #96027

    "Only true fan unrest can break this circle..." - Even if every fan in the new Highbury rose up against Wenger I doubt the board would make any changes. From their perspective Wenger is the best man for the job and has delivered exactly what they wanted season after season, namely a Champions League spot. Not only has he delivered that where others like Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United didn't, he has done it spending a lot less in transfers. In the end the only thing that will see Wenger being removed is if the team cease to qualify for the Champions League, but even then I think the board would give him another opportunity based on his past record. Ultimately Arsenal aren't falling apart, just standing still.

  30. Snowbiggee

    Dec 21, 2016, 15:07 #96026

    For anyone left in any doubt that this is not the manager's responsibility look no further than the English rugby team. What a top coach can achieve over a standard one is striking. Klopp has shown what a top coach can do with a squad of average players. Wenger is 100% to blame for the failure of the team to compete. If he stays I'd expect the better players to walk out yet again. Today's Arsenal is not about competitive sport.

  31. mbg

    Dec 21, 2016, 13:23 #96025

    This old has been is and has been (it's too late now) to bloody arrogant to learn, even over all these years,(even after all the spin and lies that we would, and have) remember he knows it all, he invented coaching (along with Arsenal)he wrote the coaching manual so he doesn't have to learn, no body gives him advice or tells him what to do, what an arrogant old man, if he was still here bumbling about at 80 he'd still be doing the same thing, making the same mistakes, hoping for a different outcome, along with his AKB wengerites waiting for him to come good. Listen and learn to do at least ONE thing in your life wenger resign now. wenger out. Good Article Somak.

  32. GS

    Dec 21, 2016, 13:22 #96024

    After all that has been said and done, if we win 2/3 games in a row, all will be well again, its like a circle , it never blooming ends. Take a look at ArsenalfanTv to see the AKB's in full flow after we beat Stoke, then see them making excuses after losses to Efc & Citeh. We are slowly becoming a shambles off the pitch as well as on it.

  33. jeff wright

    Dec 21, 2016, 13:18 #96023

    Wengo receives praise for being consistently a failure. Unless you accept his warped claims that a top 4 place is a trophy and that failing in Europe every season is a success. As many have pointed out though, ad-nauseum , this is all about making money really and not about football success.How anyone can get excited about Wengo qualifying for Europe every season is beyond me. It would not surprise me though if he were to do so again because the spuds have more bottlers in their team than are employed by Schweppes. I don't buy into the new stadium will impact on the spuds title hopes in the future either,anymore than I did when that excuse was used to cover for Wengo's crazy 'project youth ' policy that was all about Wengo's massive ego and nothing, as Diamond Danny at the time said when asked about it, down to a lack of money to spend.The spuds have not won a title since before colour TV came out and struggled in a big stadium (Wembley) in their CL group that they failed to qualify from ,despite having 80 thousand plus crowds. So them suffering another melt-down in the Prem when the heat is on would not be the biggest surprise .I reckon failing to beat us at the lane of shame last term impacted mentally upon them so this seasons tete a tete there with us could be a defining moment for old clueless Wengo who somehow often pulls a rabbit out of his non-magic hat when he plays them there. At the end of the day though it really is just about finishing ahead of them and making the top 4 for the money involved in doing so.All very dare I say ... yawn inducing.

  34. chris dee

    Dec 21, 2016, 13:05 #96022

    Is this a reprint,with a few alterations,of an article I read in 2007?I'm sure it is.

  35. mbg

    Dec 21, 2016, 12:39 #96021

    The art of falling apart, and this old past it manager has perfected this particular art alright (the only one he has ever perfected), he has it down to a T a real master that's certainly one thing he can get across and teach his little pampered pansy players. wenger out now.

  36. Paulo75

    Dec 21, 2016, 12:04 #96020

    Depressingly I can only really agree with the majority of what has been said here. Going back to the Norwich protest game in April I still can't quite understand how Wenger was afforded the majority of the stadium's support that day. The club's hierarchy obviously don't believe in leadership, communication and direction so we stumble on for now. The possibility of 4 or 5 wins against average Premiership sides over the festive period wont be getting me excited this year either.

  37. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Dec 21, 2016, 11:57 #96019

    Arsenal do not exist to be the best, merely to come high enough to ensure the champions league revenue continues to come in and swell the coffers. The club is rotten to its filthy, greedy core and kroenke, gazidis and Wenger are all complicit in destroying the great club we once knew and loved, and in its place built a disgusting, fan-fleecing, lying, money obsessed finance company. Nothing will change until these parasites have gone and the club falls into the hands of someone with sporting success as their main objective and there is no guarantee that day will ever come. A change of manager, though very welcome and a decade overdue, is not going to fix our club whilst those bean counting crooks remain in power. Meanwhile we are treated to another edition of groundhog season......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  38. Jamie

    Dec 21, 2016, 11:14 #96017

    What DOES Bould do?

  39. Bax

    Dec 21, 2016, 11:13 #96016

    It's frustrating when every year Wenger makes the same mistakes we knew last year we needed another hungry striker but as usual this never happened, I agree I think it's time he left.

  40. Kenny

    Dec 21, 2016, 11:12 #96015

    Remember early on in the season when Mourinho lost 3 games in a row the media went into overdrive This is a manager who has won numerous league titles in the last 12 seasons and the CL.Compare the treatment serial loser Wenger gets from the media.How many dumbass football reporters say "be careful what you wish for" when Arsenal fans call for Wenger's head.Yeah be careful what we wish for.How dare we wish for a Conte Klopp Pep or Mourinho.We should be happy with the record holder of the 4th place trophy.Gooners not only are we fighting Wenger and the board we are fighting the media who love Wenger

  41. Sam

    Dec 21, 2016, 10:55 #96014

    Hard to argue with that though i must point out the consistency. A fraud as you call him wouldn't maintain the type of consistency.

  42. Ron

    Dec 21, 2016, 10:39 #96012

    Im not totally sure theres anything left to say about Arsenal as things stand. Its all been said and just being re cycled.