Are Arsenal fans greedy and spoilt?

On the subject of many Gooners’ sense of entitlement



Are Arsenal fans greedy and spoilt?

Emirates: Sterile and repetitive atmosphere


One of my bugbears over the last five or six years is fans of other teams telling us we’ve got it made under Arsene Wenger. I suppose this is kind of aimed at them. Admittedly, I figure that not many read the onlinegooner!

I get the argument. We have qualified for the Champions League for a record number of seasons, we’ve picked up two (welcome) FA Cups in recent years and we’ve got a couple of world class players. I get it. I get it. I get it.

But there are a few cautionary tales about the demise of giants: Those of Liverpool and, god forbid, Aston Villa. And if, as many of us suspect, Arsenal is now just a cash cow for the owners, things could go pear-shaped for them sooner than they think. Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg…

Remember, Liverpool have never won the Premier League. Not many of us would have anticipated that when they secured their last top flight title in 1990. They were the dominant force for over a decade before that. I fear we are going down the same path right now. As for Aston Villa, enough said.

I’ve wanted AW out for quite a while but I recall supporters of other clubs telling me I was mad (I am, but that’s another story) for thinking that as the movement against him started to get some real momentum among Arsenal supporters a few years ago.

Things will finally come to a head this summer, whatever happens. Assuming we don’t win the PL or CL and Wenger still gets another contract, I anticipate a toxic atmosphere at the Emirates the likes of which we’ve never seen. If he goes, then the big question is: “What and who now?”

I fully accept that it would be a leap into the unknown. We could go backwards fast if the board gets it wrong… and I don’t have a lot of faith in them. Whoever they appoint, it will be controversial. I’m not going to name contenders, that’s not the point of this article.

The point is, are those (like me) who want Wenger out, greedy and spoilt?

In many ways, the club is well run. We’re in reasonable financial shape, we’re not fighting relegation and we have a pretty good squad. On our day, we can compete with the best (not enough of those days, though).

So fans of perpetual relegation strugglers/yo-yo clubs such as Sunderland and Newcastle think we are whingers. But in a perverse kind of way, life is more interesting for them. It’s like in India, life is cheap, which somehow makes me feel more alive when I’m out there. The pain of relegation and the joy of promotion. That’s real. Real experiences.

Supporting Arsenal is kind of sterile and repetitive these days, as is the atmosphere at the Emirates, which is one of the reasons I gave up my season ticket. Now it’s all about television rights, selling merchandise in the Far East and sky-high matchday prices. But the real killer is knowing we aren’t going to ever win the league again with our current manager. I don’t advocate being reckless but look at Chelsea’s policy of firing gaffers who fall short, it’s proved to be effective.

I have supported Arsenal since the 1979 FA Cup triumph. That success (and drama) was part of what drew this south Londoner to Highbury a few months later aged seven. I was instantly hooked, though I had no inkling then that we would have to wait until 1987 to win silverware again.

But even pre-George Graham, and even though we were always three players short of challenging for the title and never adequately replaced Liam Brady, I still enjoyed some of what was on offer. In no particular order: Champagne Charlie’s moments of magic, occasionally getting one over the mighty Liverpool, the green and blue away kit, the emergence of Stewart Robson, Woodcock’s five-goal haul against Villa, the seriously underrated Steve Williams’s relentless charm offensive and (apparently) nearly signing Maradona in 1984 (rumour had it that we were prepared to pay him a £7,500 a week salary but a £1,500 per goal bonus was the sticking point).

So, as also rans, what exactly is the point of being a (fleeced) Arsenal fan these days? It’s a genuine question. I’m sure I’m gonna get a whole heap of abuse from those who question my commitment now that I’m merely an armchair fan. But in my defence, remember that I was fully committed during the wilderness years when we were, at times, drawing crowds of only 17,000 to Highbury.

We are relatively successful these days… compared to then and everybody below us now. But as my favourite philosopher (Krishnamurti) once said: “There’s no truth in comparison.”

Arsenal are one of the biggest footballing institutions in the world. We have a rich, glorious history, so our expectations as fans are high and almost everything is in place to move forward. If we don’t, I fear we can’t remain stagnant much longer, which means we will inevitably go backwards.

So, in answer to my own question, are we greedy and spoilt? I don’t think so. Surely, most of us just want to see progress. Just like the Toon Army and the Mackems…


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  1. mbg

    Jan 14, 2017, 22:17 #96995

    Raj, and you still have a lot to learn, more to be pitied than laughed at.

  2. Bonzo

    Jan 14, 2017, 14:30 #96986

    Bardarse - Bonzhomo??? Don't think you borrowed it, think you made it up. Bit open to interpretation that one? Keep on going not being too offensive yet, but still time.

  3. Daryn

    Jan 14, 2017, 13:24 #96980

    Watching a north London team at the moment how it hurts me to say but it was like watching the Arsenal back 1998 to 2004 passion power a purpose in there football how we have declined rest in peace AFC a5

  4. Roy

    Jan 14, 2017, 12:04 #96975

    Ah, Steve Williams. There's a player we could do with right now. No, we're not spoilt Siddy, but we do expect to be challenging as befits our standing in the game with others have mentioned. Wenger was given the first 5 years after the stadium move 'gratis' effectively in which he indulged his failed project youth, and although that was obviously an agreement between all parties about sustaining the so called business model as we couldn't compete at the top end of the market during this period, it eventually culminated in a shocking defeat against Birmingham followed six months later by the 8 - 2. THAT should have been the watershed moment when someone should've taken things by the scruff of the neck, showed some real leadership, and started the process to take us to the next level ( remember the vision we were sold of being able to compete with the very best after about 10 years ? ). Instead of this, Wenger was allowed to keep indulging himself with no real accountability as long as he qualified for the CL, and now here we are another 6 years further on and in real terms nothing has changed. The lessons of 2011 were not learned and the culture was allowed to manifest itself until it all came home to roost in 2015 with Wengers failure to buy even one outfield player which the world could see was badly needed allowing Leicester to win the league by 10 points. This season despite having the strongest looking squad for some time at his disposal, things are heading exactly the same way, and if that doesn't tell you that that Wengo is past his best, then nothing will. I stopped believing in him and stopped going in 2013 when we went out of the cups to Bradford and Blackburn, and I've seen nothing since to suggest it wasn't the right decision. ( I'm not paying the 2 FA Cup wins lip service, although Wenger did until the pressure grew to win a trophy) I started going in 1971, so I saw the lean times as well, have travelled many miles and also remember standing in Highbury crowds of sub 20 thousand. What I DONT remember is a real lack of leadership both on and of the pitch in an effort to put profits before trophies, and worst of all it has been done intentionally whilst all the time charging the highest ticket prices in Europe for the sub standard product on offer. It should never have been allowed to get to the situation we have now where the fans are divided, but Wengo and Stan plus cohorts have brought it all on themselves and are all culpable. Worst of all it is now ingrained with the board seemingly **** scared of when Wenger does actually go, and having forgotten what real leadership actually is, we could be in for some difficult times in the near future. So, unless a younger, hungrier and better manager comes in who could undoubtedly get more out of this squad, then it's 2 more years just treading water under Wengo, and then probably a step backwards in order to go forwards again after that, which will be the consequence of the new man destroying the comfort zone that currently exists - if he is allowed to. It didn't have to be this way. Let's hope for no dodgy defending ar Swansea today, eh ?

  5. Cyril

    Jan 14, 2017, 10:56 #96971

    Without competitive spirit, you are playing with one arm behind your back. There is certainly one player with that at the club. The fans have it but disturbingly can we say the players do? I bet Sanchez was that boy who would have had to win at musical chairs. I've had 5 different ST's in the stadium due to moves and for e.g when I was in block 5 singers , we used to have a drummer. That stopped, as in truth we have had no real excitement in the 10 years there. The one biggy we had was over quicker than an early Tyson fight (CLSFinal). The FA cup wins ofcourse are at a different ground. Where I am now, [i have an aisle seat] I have even been told to tuck my feet and knees in as they stuck out too much. Good grief, give me a break! Oh well, must be positive eh!

  6. chris dee

    Jan 14, 2017, 10:25 #96969

    Greedy?Guilty as charged.I want my club to be consistently successful as befits a club of our stature.I don't want to be drawn against Bayern and hope, more than expect, to win. I don't expect to go 14 years without at least one Premiership title and I certainly don't expect to have never,but never, won the Champions League while Liverpool,United,Forest,Villa and frigging Chelsea have won it.It's a shame the people who run and manage the club are not as greedy for success as the fans.

  7. Bard

    Jan 14, 2017, 9:48 #96968

    Good article Siddy. I dont think we are spoilt in any way shape or form. The major issue I have with the club is the level of deceit. They talk as though they are a big club challenging for top honours when in truth they are plc who's main aim is to maximising their profits. As a club we have very little interest in seriously challenging. The acceptance of mediocrity kills the atmosphere at the club.

  8. mbg

    Jan 14, 2017, 3:20 #96966

    Siddy, I don't worry for one minute what will happen when he goes or what the upheaval is or will be, or if we get it wrong or not, I really don't (and i'm quite sure all the proper supporters who want what's best for the club don't or won't either)it's inevitable there will be upheaval and controversy when ever a manager is sacked, retires or is pensioned off, for all sorts of reasons (no matter who they are) there always is, and even more so when the new one is appointed, so you could say we're actually expecting it, so there's no big deal, there's no shame in it, i'm quite sure the majority of fans don't expect a miracle and it got right first time, and fully expect to do a man u, maybe even twice, but it's not guaranteed that will happen either,(at least we'll all know where we stand) the new man could hit the ground running regardless of scare tactics, we'll never know until it happens, but if we were to listen to the AKB wengerite luvvies who love using said scare tactics, such as the tired old out of date chestnut be careful what you wish for, yawn, and who do you get to replace him, yawn, Armageddon would be upon us, the and the Emirates would open up and the ground would sink into the pits of hell and an old waste site would pop up with bin lorries coming and going all over the place, and the tsunamis of the world would sweep in and there'd be a new ice age. But remember this, just think where we'd be now if we'd had the balls and got rid two, three, four years ago, where we'd be today ? all upheaval (if any) would be well behind us and we'd be well on our way(regardless what the wengerites would/will tell us)as at the minute and as every day, week, month, year, that goes by and wenger remains stinking the place out it's still all ahead of us. wenger out now.

  9. Raj

    Jan 13, 2017, 22:22 #96964

    I have seen the up's and down of Arsenal as a Fan since 1970, when I learnt about Football. I have seen the team in the dolldrums before winning again in the 90's, then the invincibals. We would have been here with the best if not for Russian Billionare out bidding us for players, and oil billionaire buying out our players on wages we could not support, even with the new stadium. Team building takes time, and if money men get in the way, even with the finances we have it's not enough. Now Arsenal need to find sponsership deals like Man Utd, to compete. If you are complaining about us buying players, sponser the bill of their wages yourself and then the club will be able to buy the player. Don't reliy on supposed billionaire on paper to have that much money to put into the club. Otherwise support means belief in the team, and putting your voice to build the confidence of the players in the Pitch. Especially when we are down so that the team gets the winning mentality.

  10. jjetplane

    Jan 13, 2017, 21:41 #96961

    Badderson/Jamass - it's sermonising whichever way .. Entertaining though the particular multiple who wanders the Fens in Scout shorts, soiled blazer, array of boot sale medals and a bag of egg sarnies must be avoided ... Wavelenght unsure.

  11. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 13, 2017, 21:06 #96960

    I think someone held up at banner at St James's park during one of their recent bad moments along the lines of: "We don't expect the team to win always but we do expect them to try to win". That captures the essence of modern football, and when applied to the Arsenal gives the lie that we're over ingulgent. The cost of paying to watch our group of hipsters struggle against another entitled bunch of bus-parking hipsters doesn't help, but its secondary when you consider our history as no-nonsense winners before the chihuahua starting p*ssing against the lamposts at the emirates.

  12. Bonzo

    Jan 13, 2017, 19:15 #96959

    Badarsio - I am in the welcome back camp, however things remain very confused. Does the Ingmar Bergman film 'Persona' resonate with Jamerson playing the nurse.

  13. mbg

    Jan 13, 2017, 18:56 #96958

    Paul Ward, good post, more proof (if any was needed)that all the other so called big clubs and they're FANS are a hell of a lot more ambitious than ours, and want success, they didn't put up with failure and weren't afraid to get rid of managers in the process and they certainly didn't use or worry about sentiment and past glories in their decisions either, a lesson our owner AND fans could and should learn.

  14. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 13, 2017, 17:59 #96957

    Siddy, we have fallen along way from my standards regarding Arsenal. When we won the league for the 8th time on that wonderful May 3rd evening in 1971, we then held the record for winning the most 1st Division titles (For youngsters this was the now Premier League) The fact that it was our first title for 18 years just shows how great we must have been in the 30's 40's & early fifties! Since that May evening Siddy, in my books, we have definitely gone backwards!

  15. Website Editor

    Jan 13, 2017, 17:58 #96956

    Jamerson currently posting more comments as Badarse than himself, and also some from my good self. All deleted now anyhow

  16. jjetplane

    Jan 13, 2017, 17:16 #96953

    Have they evacuated you fron the caravan yet? lol!

  17. Norsgeneral

    Jan 13, 2017, 16:03 #96952

    I've supported the Gunners since 1968, but spend my time travelling up and down the country now, watching my local Stevenage Boro. I visit the Emirates 3-4 times a season, just to keep the link and of course the love for the club. But it always leaves me cold. Was at the Southampton LC clash this year, it was appalling. The following Saturday, was spent away to Barnet in league two with Stevenage. A tenth of the crowd but a 100 times the atmosphere. Like watching proper football. Top level football is dead now unfortunately, the soul has been sold.

  18. Paul Ward

    Jan 13, 2017, 15:43 #96950

    Siddy Dont think we're spoilt at all,comparisons with Liverpool are actually quite instructive really. Yes, they've not won the league since 1990 , but they haven't sat on their hands for 26 years and kept the same manager for heavens sake, and during this time they have won the Champions league and the UEFA cup , which is more than Wenger has ever done. Could you a imagine how ridiculous it would be if Houllier or Benitez was still LFC manager despite not winning the title fo 13 years? All the guff that surrounds Wenger, great football( not any more), new stadium ( everybody else is now doing it), bringing throug young players( a complete myth),is a complete red herring , the man used to be a very good football manager( never a great one), he isn't any more and should leave in the summer.The difference between us and the scousers is that Wenger would have been shown the door circa 2008/9.

  19. jjetplane

    Jan 13, 2017, 15:09 #96949

    Silly old Badderson at it again. Good point Siddy (Krishnamurti top blokie) and perspective is needed and gained by watching teams in less privileged divisions and above all more FUN! Think current Asano is summed up by bloke in far left of pic with hands behind his back perhaps talking about the pleasures of preparing your own pesto. Total tedium be honest (!) Jamass and admit your desperate multiplicity was spent last season when you retired and stopped going to the Ems probably because they told you packed lunches are inappropiate and why not try 'that twat's pesto!' .....

  20. Steve

    Jan 13, 2017, 15:05 #96948

    We would be spoilt if our season tickets were not the highest in world football.If you spend the highest price on a car you expect a Ferrari not a Skoda.As for Liverpool 18 league titles (yes football did begin before 1992) 5 MORE than Arsenal and 5 European cups 5 MORE than Arsenal's pathetic NONE.By the way Chelsea have won four titles since we last won our last title.12 years ago the Spuds were miles behind us now only the most deluded Gooner would say the gap between us was anything but wafer thin. Only Wenger classes 4th place as a trophy.We are one of the richest clubs the world with two billionaires as our two biggest shareholders.We are a club in stagnation ON THE PITCH

  21. mbg

    Jan 13, 2017, 14:42 #96947

    We've certainly remained stagnant for around ten years now, and a lot would argue regressed, certainly not progressed that's for damm sure, and it's all down to an old out of date passed it manager holding us back.

  22. Tony Evans

    Jan 13, 2017, 14:35 #96946

    No I don't think we are greedy and/or spoilt. Whatever club you support it comes with its own level of expectations, and for Arsenal supporters it is not unreasonable to expect title challenges and a decent stab at the CL. I have to say my overriding emotion is boredom. I have supported since 1970, was a Highbury regular, but have drifted now to not even a regular armchair fan, such is the boring monotony of Arsenal under Wenger. My best mate (same Arsenal vintage) feels exactly the same - there is nothing to like or to get excited about with Wenger's Arsenal. As a regular on Online Gooner I know there are many that share this point of view, and if die-hard fans of 45 years plus can be made to feel this way then something has gone horribly wrong at our club. So - not greedy or spoilt, just plain bored rigid with the never ending saga of inept defending; under-investment in the squad, and a manager that appears to indulge certain players, has no discernible tactics and is apparently happy to fail to make a real challenge for the top football prizes year after year after year!

  23. 600NER PETE

    Jan 13, 2017, 14:28 #96945

    When Wenger leaves I'll start being interested again. Until then there is no point in worrying about players signing new contracts, who we're buying in the transfer market, latest injuries etc. Who cares? After 49 years of supporting Arsenal I really can't be "arsed" any more!

  24. mbg

    Jan 13, 2017, 14:26 #96944

    We're certainly not spoilt Siddy in any way, and If these other fans had him for a few seasons they'd soon see why, the tippy tippy tappy going nowhere (any manager could play like that but they're all intelligent enough to know it'll get you nowhere)hearing lies, spin, the bulls**t menteell strength and greet speerritt for second raters who turn their backs at a free kick and don't turn up for big games and small ones, and top top qualittee for the same, with millions and millions in the bank to spend on proper players while always coming fourth best, they'd soon changer they're tune, and one things for damm sure these other fans wouldn't have and wouldn't put up with it/him like we have done, they'd have got rid long ago. We want wenger out.

  25. Leek the Squeak

    Jan 13, 2017, 14:24 #96943

    Oi! Don't forget me, squeak. Wengie is the bestest ever, Wengie must stay, squeak, squeak, I'm not a Rat just a very large Mouse, squeak, squeak. You nasty WOB's go sniff my cheese. It's got lovely blue veins, squeak and is beginning to sweat. Yeah Jeff I mean you, go sniff it. Squeak, Squeak...

  26. Bonzo

    Jan 13, 2017, 14:01 #96942

    Jameewooba - I've just checked an adult and 1 under 14 is just 500€. Prices are very low at AC Milan. Next you and your attack Pug Bbbaa Gubba are always on about ineffectual WOBs yet now your saying we're holding the club back. So what is I then? Are we or not.

  27. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 13, 2017, 13:49 #96941

    The club is very financially successful. Therefore 'greedy and spoilt' pertains to the players, the manager, the board and the owner. The fans don't share in the type of success AFC have. To describe simply wanting a different manager to have a go in order to see something different as 'greedy and spoilt' is absurdity of the highest order - and we know why they say it.

  28. John F

    Jan 13, 2017, 13:39 #96940

    That's not Jameson posting it's Badarse. I won't get fooled again

  29. Deighty

    Jan 13, 2017, 13:22 #96939

    A manager who earns more than 8 mil a year, one of the most expensive squads and salaries, the most expensive ticket prices with the highest gate receipts. We ARE entitled to better.

  30. jeff wright

    Jan 13, 2017, 13:08 #96938

    Everything in football is relative to circumstances. United will see a top 4 finish as being successful this season,but not in the next one. A top 4 finish is always success for Wenger though and don't forget he said that he would be happy to finish second for 20 years and that a top 4 finish for him is a trophy.The ' new stadium ' was used for donkeys years for an excuse to explain Wenger's lack of any success on field despite the fact that the man who built it, Diamond Danny Fiszman , who is now lying dead in permanent tax-exile in his chilly grave somewhere in Swissland ,denying that the new stadium was causing Wenger financial problems regarding wages and buying new players. Most of us sussed out that Wengo was in fact just indulging himself in his crackpot project youth to try and show how clever he is. These days Wengo's lack of success is put down to other reasons than a lack of cash but it's really all down to his well known lack of any tactical nous during games and poor buys in the transfer market - coupled with no idea of how to organize a proper defence. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that many supporters would like to see someone else managing AFC .Personally the only way I see Wenger leaving is if he misses out on a top 4 place .The major share holder and many of the home crowd seem happy enough with the rat on a wheel syndrome going around in circles every season to nowhere that Wenger's tenure at AFC has become.

  31. Cyril

    Jan 13, 2017, 13:04 #96937

    Coincidence or bad timing in light of an article today to explain we take the highest gate receipts in the world!

  32. Ron

    Jan 13, 2017, 12:58 #96936

    AFC is a wonderfully successful enterprise. If its own defined type of success equates to what the fans want then its fine, those fans arent greedy,unreasonable or spoiled in being satisfied with it. For those of us who think the Club is a bit of a charade and look for sporting success, are we spoiled and unreasonable? Who knows. We can all only speak for ourselves dont we. For the cost of going there and the declared aims of the Club 13 yrs back, my view is that the fans have been shortchanged and grossly misled. Football (on the pitch) for AFC plc is in my view an aside and no longer a priority. Its been that way for at least the last 6 years and theres no reason to think it ll change.

  33. Nick

    Jan 13, 2017, 12:56 #96935

    No Siddy we are NOT spoilt! I have been a committed gooner since I was five years old which was in October 58 so I too have seen my fair share of "wilderness " years ! Arsenal have been since the days of Herbert Chapman a WORLD RENOWNED club we are the most successful London club ever despite Chelseas recent history we are the 3rd most successful club in England! We have money a stadium we were sold as being the precursor to being able to compete with the very best in the world ! We are charged the highest prices in Europe for the privilege of watching our team so with all that in mind if we did not expect great things from our team and manager of multi millionaires then we would be easily pleased indeed ! Success is measured in football terms by TROPHIES not fourth place finishes or even third or second not by QUALIFYING for an elite tournament for twenty straight years but by WINNING THE DAMM THING ! Other clubs supporters have only their own clubs history and expectations to measure against us and all but three or four will be found wanting against our record ! A club lacking in ambition is bad enough but once it's supporters start to lack ambition FOR their team then the end is nigh ! Football is and always has been about glory about wanting it and fighting for it and hoping and wishing for it no matter the level of football that is a truth which remains unshakeable! So for a club as big as Arsenal to be satisfied with its record over the last 12 years to my mind is appalling NO other top club in Europe would stand for such stagnation no matter the excuses ! So no we are most definitely NOT spoiled!