Am I stupid to think we are back in the title race?

It’s the hope that kills you...



Am I stupid to think we are back in the title race?

Some believe we might see this again


Chelsea are threatening to run away with the title this season. Well, they were.

We are currently in the chasing pack of five and looking far from being genuine contenders (I’m unsuccessfully fighting the urge to mention Groundhog Day).

As usual, we’ve been inconsistent, while our friendly neighbours in west London are looking disciplined, well-oiled and hungry. But I believe the Costa situation could yet get the better of them… even if he stays.

Clearly, his head has (understandably) been turned by the prospect of earning £30million a year in China (tax-free!). At the time of writing, that deal seems to have been scuppered. But I don’t think that’s the end of the story. He is a mercenary who never really wanted to leave sunny Spain. Chelsea isn’t his dream.

But he is a helluva player, arguably the best all-round striker in the PL (although Aguero is a better natural goalscorer). Costa has power, pace and is a class finisher. If we had him, we’d be top of the table, even with our mis-manager. But his Kryptonite is his temperament…

Surely this situation is going to mess with his head and affect those around him. He already has a reputation as a behind the scenes troublemaker, reportedly playing a huge part in ousting The Special One (yay!). The last thing the impressive Conte needs is a disruptive influence in the dressing room, just as things are shaping up so nicely for them.

Admittedly, they coped quite well without Costa on Saturday, blowing away Leicester 3-0 on their travels. The front three on the day, Pedro, Hazard and Willian, are classy players but are Chelsea really going to win the PL without a top-notch, established striker for half a season? Surely they will suffer a lack of penetration in big games without Costa. It seems as though he will stay but my hope is that he will be distracted and unsettled, whether selected or not.

Real Madrid’s promising, relatively young striker Alvaro Morata (who we were linked to in the summer but surprise, surprise, didn’t sign) has been mentioned as a replacement even for this transfer window but he would take time to bed in and he’s not as good as his Spanish compatriot (yet).

That’s Chelsea’s situation but what about us?

My head tells me that we will not win the PL again with The Messiah at the helm. But my heart tells me that we could and should have a crack at it. In my opinion, we now have the most balanced squad in the league. And we are still up there with the chasing pack, despite our inconsistency/hapless gaffer.

Cast your mind back to 1997-98. It was a season of two halves. We looked far from being title contenders for the first part, not only because of our results but also our performances. Then, somehow, things started clicking into place and we went to Old Trafford on March 14 knowing that a win would put us back in the hunt.

Overmars turned the tide in that second of a ten-match winning run, one-nil to The Arsenal, which took matters out of Man Ure’s hands. The rest is history. Our current side is obviously not a patch mentally on those real men back then but apart from Chelsea, there’s not much to be afraid of as it stands…

Man City do have some world class elements but they are in transition under Pep. Liverpool have impressed with their fluid style but Klopp is not blessed with a great squad (I would have loved to have seen what he would have done with our bunch of under-achievers). Spurs are probably the tightest team unit but even their key players are short of experience in securing major trophies. Man Ure are starting to shape up but they are the most off the pace, and Mourinho’s brief this season is surely just to secure a CL berth.

There are two things for sure, we will have to beat Chelsea at the Bridge on February 4 and go on one hell of a winning run at some point if we want to get our hands on the trophy. I’m not at all confident that either of those things will happen.

But like they say, it’s the hope that kills you…


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  1. Red Member

    Jan 23, 2017, 9:40 #97338

    One word answer to the title of your article - YES

  2. Siddy

    Jan 22, 2017, 18:16 #97314

    I am stupid.

  3. mbg

    Jan 22, 2017, 15:47 #97303

    Bonzo, I concur, as long as TOF remains myself also (and I would safely say a hell of a lot of others)will be here with our wenger out's regardless of what he does or flukes in between. wenger out now.

  4. Bonzo

    Jan 22, 2017, 12:40 #97300

    JameeBBA Most folks ( all 5 of them ) on Untold are posting from 2000miles away or their armchair in Antwerp . They haven't a clue about UK based Arsenal support. Now please tell us if you still think you and Brian are super supporters ? Ps: you've slated off George before.

  5. Bonzo

    Jan 22, 2017, 10:44 #97298

    Jameewoobbaa - well we're moving on in some sort of direction. We are now Goonerlites. Incredible that you've been able to admit to yourself we actually support Arsenal. All this of course from a chap who was apparently born in Hampshire, supported Southampton, hated George Graham, has no recollection despite his age of anything pre Graham and despite calling himself a Super fan along with Brian (snigger) is retiring from Arsenal. I could go on, I really could. I really must say it would make you a much happier person if you came out, we know that's why your in Southwold and your families in London. You're doing a Benjamin Britten but unfortunately with zero talent and an obnoxious personality.

  6. Nick

    Jan 22, 2017, 10:26 #97296

    Jeff Wright if you have read any of my previous posts on here then you will know I am firmly in the Wenger out camp and have been since we tamely surrendered a five point lead in 2005 after sulking for months after our unbeaten 49 game run ended at the hands of a cheating Rooney ! My point is that as a Gooner I have ALWAYS since my early days as a starry eyed small child gawping round the stadium in awe HOPED that Arsenal win trophies and every game we play ! This however does NOT have to blind either myself or others like me (I am far from being alone in this attitude )to our failings and inadequacies and in my case certainly HAS not ! I take exception to others calling that HOPE and DESIRE "way beyond stupid " it is EXACTLY because of those feelings why I want Wenger GONE ! if I did not feel that way I would surely not give a proverbial flying fornication as to whether we were successful or not because it would obviously not really matter to me ! Wanting the Arsenal to do well does not have to be mutually exclusive in wanting the past it French accountant to stay indeed it is exactly because I want us to win and be winners that I want rid of him !!

  7. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 22, 2017, 9:21 #97294

    Jameeleek - Even though I disagree with everything you wrote (103091), you did well to type all of that with a load of your mates' semen and VD scabs in your mouth and all over your face. You know nada/rien/nichts/niente about Arsenal.

  8. Bonzo

    Jan 22, 2017, 8:52 #97293

    Siddy not much we can add to that mate. I think Arsenal winning the title is beyond Wenger even if he'd bought Messi 5 years back. It's gone from him not to return. It's either 1 season left or 2 and a bit either way it's finished.

  9. Bonzo

    Jan 22, 2017, 7:39 #97292

    Squeak Squeak - sounds like you have a problem with the fanbase doesn't it. feeling alone , separated disenfranchised. That's no place to be for a loyal little Wengerette like you. Sure you're not secretly afraid ? Now Squeak, many years ago I learnt not to go around making promises I couldn't keep or general keyboard warrior style "you effing Mug" remember him? Cyber dead, maybe locked away. Then we had BBA, oh dear oh dear. So call me what you will but you still obviously have never quite understood that I don't go, until Wengo goes. Simples, that is my protest. I don't feed the Kronke machine any more than my Silvers till he's off. Which conveniently is just when my Son will be ready to go.

  10. mbg

    Jan 22, 2017, 2:38 #97291

    Siddy, it really is, but that's where we are now that won't and can't be changed, and wenger has nobody to blame for that but himself, and as the AKB's keep telling us and reminding us about, it's different times now, a different game, different era, etc, etc,) i hear what your saying I really do, and I've thought about that myself, but would he ? could or can we trust him ? even if he/they said he would or will be ? I know I wouldn't and said it before now, I've no doubt it would give him a new/fresh impetuous, make him think he's the messiah again, has been right all along, (found his magic hat for the AKB wengerites after all this time,) and such is his arrogance and ego away he'd go again, with of course the help of the only one arsene wenger and we want you to stay brigade accepting a new contract even a two year extension (with a grin and ego bigger than the grand canyon) and we'd be back to square one with him doing the same old, same old, all over again thinking it was right all along. wenger out now.

  11. mbg

    Jan 22, 2017, 1:38 #97290

    Paul Ward, he's a nice boy, he's never rocked the boat, he's always said the right things about OGL over the years especially after humiliations and embarrassments, now it's paying off for him (like he knew it would)he's reaping the rewards, just like all the other nice boys will. wenger out now.

  12. Leek fc

    Jan 21, 2017, 23:14 #97289

    2 more rotten years says the one and only bottler Bonzo. This site is fast becoming the joke of all jokes. Check out the fan club........ Most are faraway gooners....... Most are old boring farts........ Most haven't attended a game in years........ Most just love a good old moan just to keep the heart beating. Same old online, always bleating.

  13. Siddy

    Jan 21, 2017, 22:20 #97288

    Bonzo - you're right, he is a control freak. He doesn't love the club, not now. He's just a slave to his own, giant ego. I have made it clear that I haven't been to see my beloved Arsenal for a few years. Cost is a major factor, if I had free tickets then I probably would go. But I wouldn't be excited about, knowing that we are also rans. This is no longer the club I grew to love. I know it's not all his fault but if AW had a drop of humility then he'd have walked years ago. Since becoming a follower of football in 1979, I can't recall a civil war in any club about the manager which even comes close to this one that is tearing Arsenal apart. Dividing fan against fan. There are even divisions amongst AKBs and divisions amongst WOBs. W***er out. NOW!

  14. Bonzo

    Jan 21, 2017, 21:22 #97287

    Siddy - he wouldn't go out on a high he's a control freak who admits he has very little life outside of football. We're not going to win the title either plus you've got Kronke ( who is building up intense dislike in the states ) it's a perfect state of stasis. My best hope is he will clear off in 2017. If not we have 2 more rotten years with the old Fraud at the helm. Unless ill health causes him to leave sooner.

  15. Siddy

    Jan 21, 2017, 21:05 #97286

    Thanks David - it has really come to something when diehard Gooners are so desperate to get rid of W***er that they actually don't want to win the PL. I understand and would be gutted if it meant he got another five years. But maybe he'd actually decide go out on a high if we did win the PL or CL.

  16. MBAG

    Jan 21, 2017, 20:36 #97285

    @jj. Comment 'citeh lost'. Take another look and get back to us. Kind of thought you were a dreamer and it's kind of proved it.

  17. Bonzo

    Jan 21, 2017, 20:29 #97284

    Jameewoobbaa - sadly an opportunity spurned for you, I suspect you may have far more experience on servicing your pals in the way you mentioned It's why you got kicked out of the Navy.

  18. David

    Jan 21, 2017, 20:28 #97283

    With you on this one Side- have also wanted Wenger out since 2008, but happy to be proved wrong. Can't see arsenal finishing above Chelsea, but you gotta hope - not for the sake of AW, but for the club. COYR.

  19. Paul Ward

    Jan 21, 2017, 20:05 #97282

    How bad were Tottenham tonight? Blimey, think we can safely make that 56 years and counting. 3 points tomorrow a must .Come on you reds.

  20. jjetplane

    Jan 21, 2017, 20:00 #97281

    Ha ha wibbleeleakeejambee's Citeh lost but on the good side Wengo is primed for 4th .... Pep having a tough time yet will still finish above WengoJambo as will Totts Kloppie and JM. Still have to reckon Everton and Stoke in so Wengo to finish in top 10 will be fair enough and worth a new contract. With Per signed up for a year of selfies and 'work in the community' with Theo and Olly having a testimonial (lol!) I imagine WengJam has already signed the contract but is waiting for a run of two wins to announce the blistering news.

  21. OBG

    Jan 21, 2017, 19:33 #97280

    "Anyone" Who thinks we are still in with a chance is out of their tiny friggin mind - either that or they're on Drugs. Siddy dude we were NEVER EVER in with a chance in the first place, for One Reason and One reason Only - Wenger is still the manager, until he ****s off we will Never win the prem again.

  22. Wobby Wotten

    Jan 21, 2017, 19:31 #97279

    Klopp is the greatest..... er no. Pep is the best..... er no. Maureen is wonderful er no. JJ is the most wonderful Scouse Twat. er yes. Bonzo sucks dick. ****ting.

  23. jjetplane

    Jan 21, 2017, 18:39 #97278

    Happy for the Hammers (Untold will be upset) and the terrific Toffees and now want Citeh to win as does JAMBBa which will put the Arse back to 5th. Some ****ing gooner you are Southwold boy!

  24. Paul Ward

    Jan 21, 2017, 18:08 #97277

    Can't see why Mertesacker has been awarded a new contract. He's never really cut it in the PL and him staying can only block the progress of young Holding, forget all the nonsense about his leadership qualities, this is more evidence that Wenger is simply not ruthless enough, and there is far too much tolerance of injury and underachievement at AFC.

  25. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 21, 2017, 17:47 #97276

    Bonzo - Badarse meeting with a sticky end chez Jamee - now that's top top quality imagery. You can imagine how much mental speereeet he needed to deal with Jamee's onslaught of torture, masturbation and religious bollockry. I almost feel sorry for him...

  26. Bonzo

    Jan 21, 2017, 17:09 #97275

    Jjetplane - there's a caravan full of Wengo lovers living in Southwold Heights Mobile Home Park. BBA - toothless attack Pug recently silenced by a Rottweiler and not heard of since. Squeaky - Suffering intestinal problems after overloading on Slush Puppies. Unable to communicate. Brian - Kidnapped by Jamee and probably victim of a cyber takeover. Has he met a sticky end? Colesey - Doing time in the Scrubs, will make his way to Caravan when released.

  27. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 21, 2017, 16:19 #97274

    Jamee son - "arsenoballs? 'Kin 'ell is that really all you've got? You are to banter what your mate trumpo is to telling the truth. You're human rubbish Jamee - too thick to deal with the big boys on here. You call me that because you probably wish my balls were hitting your chin every second, you disgusting immoral deviant. Go to your local cop-shop and volunteer to get your name on their register - it's where you belong.

  28. mbg

    Jan 21, 2017, 13:43 #97273

    John F, Sad isn't it, I have mates and friends who would, and have, argued with me in TOF's defence on numerous occasions they would absolutely hate to see him go, they love him, and their not wengerite AKB's either, they're man yoo, spuds, Liverpool supporters who know and realise what a change of manager can and would do to the sleeping giant Arsenal, then they'd go on to tell you they can't believe it still hasn't happened or why it hasn't years ago and why the fans are putting up with him/it. Sad. We want wenger out.

  29. Shu

    Jan 21, 2017, 12:29 #97272

    I skipped through and you referred to wenger as a Messiah ! You must be a foreign supporter because u are having laugh . The combination of not identfying weakness , stubborness , being tight have cost us several titles in the last ten years. He is the reason for 4th is good enough . Wenger out

  30. jeff wright

    Jan 21, 2017, 12:23 #97271

    Nick, the problem with this loyalty and eternal optimism support for AFC is that Wenger and Syrupy's gang of pickpockets and fraudsters use it shamelessly to exploit supporters faith with. While at the same time failing to deliver any title challenges despite charging the highest prices in football for tickets with this on top of raking in huge sums of cash from other various sources . It has been obvious right from the start of Syrupy's take-over of AFC that he uses the club finances to help him out with his other numerous sporting interests in America and that he has no interest in AFC other than in making money from it. Wengo himself is up to his scrawny neck in it all and has admitted to not being bothered if he never wins any league titles for 20 years provided that he gets a top 4 finish to carry on making up the numbers and lots of money in the Euro cash cow midweek TV bore-fest . Many of us find this scenario difficult to stomach and see the so called title challenges and European malarkey as being just illusions that only fools fall for. This has nothing to do with not wanting to win the PREM or EUROPEAN CUP but is rather just an acceptance of the reality that under Wenger and Syrupy that is never going to happen . Wishful thinking is not going to change that fact.A change of manager and major-shareholder might do so though.However,we won't get this if we just carry on blindly supporting the current manager and regime.

  31. Bonzo

    Jan 21, 2017, 12:18 #97270

    JameeBBA- look here's a challenge for you, I've asked you a question who is the better manager, Wengo, Klopp, Koeman, Pepe, Conte. I've noticed this latest article has been on here a few days so they obviously need a new article. So Go write it! Answer the question, let's have some prose from you. Ps: of all the oddities including the two way religious battle you engaged in with yourself. The greatest freakery of all is to pretend to be your own brother. Why? A simple question.. I think I know the answer but would love to hear it from you. PPS: throwing hopeless name calling at me and the sage and wit Arsenalknewbest is hopeless. We are always one step ahead. Now get writing that contribution.

  32. jjetplane

    Jan 21, 2017, 12:16 #97269

    Jamerson says 'there are still quite a few of us on here...' - we know you are a multiple Jamba lol! A Jolee of Jamersons ....

  33. Nick

    Jan 21, 2017, 11:57 #97268

    To call a fellow gooner "way beyond stupid " for having the temerity to actually HOPE the Arsenal win the league is a not only a low blow but one showing a complete lack of understanding as to what being a Gooner really is ! Most of us will bleed red n white when cut ! We are only really happy when the Arsenal WIN we always WANT them to win !so admitting to HOPING we can still win the league while at the same time admitting that in reality it's a FORLORN hope is as far from "stupid " as you can get it IS what every TRUE Arsenal supporter would be hoping or more likely DREAMING of happening in short it's what being a football supporter is all about ! Every non league side supporter dreams and hopes for a day when their tiny club becomes a real giant killer even though they KNOW it's hugly unlikely does that make them stupid? Of course not and nor does HOPING the Arsenal win the title in spite of the odds !

  34. Bob

    Jan 21, 2017, 9:48 #97267

    Given that the whole tenuous premise of this article was that Arsenal's faint hope depended on Costa buggering off to China, this morning's news that he is going nowhere makes it a complete waste of words.

  35. John F

    Jan 21, 2017, 8:39 #97266

    Akb ,it's depressing isn't it.A narcissist in charge of the most powerful country in the world claiming to be against the elite ,then surrounding himself with them.And a couldn't care as long as we make a profit owner at Arsenal.I read a Spurs fan post the other day who hopes Wenger signs for the next ten years.Says it all.

  36. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 21, 2017, 8:35 #97265

    Bonzo - reminds me of that old joke: Conjoined twins Jamee (right hand side) and BBA (left-hand side) turn up at French customs at Calais. The customs officer says - Bienvenue en France messieurs, why are you coming 'ere. Is it because of our wonderful French cuisine? No - replies Jamee son in his suffolk brogue, - hate snails and all that. We eat raw british turnips coated in potato juice salsa! Ooh -la-la says the mystified frenchman, perhaps you can tell me why you are visiting then? Jamee points at BBA his other half and says "It's the only chance he ever gets to drive". Boom boom. Jamee you won't get this because you're too thick.

  37. Bonzo

    Jan 21, 2017, 8:08 #97264

    JameeBBA - you pretended to be your own brother (freaky), you pretended to be Brian (sad) , you pretended to be Finsbury Joe (bizarre) you pretended to be be a knobend called Wobbywotten (??) and we are still trying to decipher the JameeBBA conjoined twin caravan love in. So that's why many of us do think you are many characters. Now here's a question for you. Who's the better manager , Wengo, Klopp, Koeman, Pepe, Conte. Pochettino? Answers please!

  38. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 21, 2017, 8:00 #97263

    A simple message to Stan-K - MAKE THE ARSENAL GREAT AGAIN! Nah, thought not...too financially risky. Trust the right-wing to look after themselves, and to bottle it when it comes to making personal sacrifice. Why not put America first Stan by selling your share of the club to mbg or me for a quid and fecking off to Denver with your PA Jamee son to set up a guano mining company? Just to show you I'm not tight, I'll even give you b.f.h. you money-grubbing schlaaaaaaaag.

  39. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 21, 2017, 7:42 #97262

    My deep sympathies to stateside gooners this morning: you now have two merkin-wearing cnuts deciding your fate. Stan and orange Donnie - what an unremitting pair of robbing corporate bast*rds. The Arsenal and the US (and us in the UK by virtue of our poodledom) will be worse, war-ravaged places in four years time I fear. And the chihuahua will still be on his throne partially inserted into our greatest US import punxatawney phil. Where are D-Ream and Professor Brian Cox when you need them?

  40. mbg

    Jan 21, 2017, 0:43 #97261

    TOF will look even more surprised than he does in the caption if he ever ends up with that trophy in his hands again. wenger out now.

  41. mbg

    Jan 20, 2017, 19:54 #97260

    GS, yes you can look back years at/for examples of it diaby ? etc, etc, and now mert, extensions to players who are/were sick notes, over inflated contracts to second third raters keeping them all happy and onside, letting the ones who were fit and playing think and know if he'll do that for them he'll/he'd do the same for us too if and when the time comes, (as is always proved) so he's got their support, so they conform, only the players with ambition and knew and could see through him didn't conform and moved on or were moved on because of it. Yes it's certainly paid off for TOF alright, surrounding him self with nodding dogs and yes men, and second raters who know what side of their bread is buttered and know they'd never get it elsewhere so no wonder they're all conforming, saying nice/the right things and kissing his arse. wenger out.

  42. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 20, 2017, 19:23 #97259

    Fair enough, but how do the Spuds fans come to terms with the fact that even a manager as limited as Wenger finishes above them every year......without fail? The guy has seen off.....what, a dozen Spuds managers? Guess they have one thing in common with Wenger, they both did Chelsea this season

  43. jjetplane

    Jan 20, 2017, 19:19 #97258

    RON like yourself I am trying to enjoy whats on offer in the PL in a pretty casual sense. Rarely do I get excited with any of it but loved seeing the kids Koeman had in his team tearing Citeh to shreds partic in the middle of the park. Fjoe Jamerson plastic spud hater (last century mate) Totts are a superb football machine presently and no problem noting that. Watched Chichester in the 9th tier the other week and thought the same thing. There is football out there once you have escaped the tedium of Wenger's empty culture. Am familiar with the Totts from the 60s and have lived through the rivalry which is no longer there. Tott fans love Wenger now he is ineffective and they will hope he stays longer than your most ardent AKB. Laughing stock.

  44. David

    Jan 20, 2017, 18:12 #97257

    Have you seen Arsenal play in the last ten years? There is not one mention of how they are actually playing this season. As per usual, they are in the race for the top 4 trophy cos they way they play that is as good as it gets. Beat Chelsea at the Bridge? Mmmmm

  45. GS

    Jan 20, 2017, 15:41 #97255

    mbg: it's very "strange " that we have so many players in last 12/18mths of their contracts during Wenger last year , it's all falling nicely into place for him, sign players up to improve his own prospects of a new contract , along with the Ozil/Sanchez issue , when really we should be focusing on performances .....you couldn't make it up.

  46. mbg

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:49 #97254

    GS, yes mate TOF and his spin department have played a blinder (as they always do)in that department softening the players up, getting them to come out in support of OGL, as well as all his ex player luvvies like Keown etc, etc, and then of course there's the wengerites in general, a perfectly planted rumour of a transfer target any siff at all and it's going to be different this time, and then of course there's those who've completely gone and there's no one on this earth for the job only their messiah Lord and master. You couldn't make it up. We want wenger out.

  47. Ron

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:38 #97253

    Hi MG - No i didn't. It was about 83/84 when i first went there. Always thought it an awful ground to go to, but never felt threatened there. The tickets in the 'restricted views' in that Anfield Rd end these days ought to be given away or sold for a nominal 50p. Horrible. Our away support has always found a good voice there though!

  48. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:31 #97252

    JJet, why are you always on about Tottenham,been going on a while now, I am starting to wonder.....

  49. mbg

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:23 #97251

    Careful lads those that think their messiah is the best manager and plays the best football on the planet will be back to telling you/us to fook off down the lane. wenger and Ozil out.

  50. GS

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:17 #97249

    With Wenger now having the players support via the press for a new contract, I feel a new 2yr one will be offered, so get ready for more fun in Wengerworld until he finally leaves. Whether a capitulation this season finally sees him gone, i'm not so sure,he has proved lucky so far ( except on the pitch). The saga continues.......

  51. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:13 #97248

    Ron if you´ve never seen ´the same menace´at Anfield I am guessing that you didn´t go up there in the ´70s - particularly the ´78 League Cup semi final. Some night.

  52. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:00 #97247

    Be careful what you wish for... A credible title challenge would ensure that AW stays in post. In fact even 4th place would probably do it - and that could run for another 10 seasons. More interestingly would 5th or 6th see him out? I think not: he would be given one more season ´to put things right´. But at least in that scenario the heat would be on for 17/18....

  53. Alsace

    Jan 20, 2017, 14:00 #97246

    There appears to be much angst going on about Athletico Poultry perched atop a basketball aka The Lilleywhites. The comments are spot on (ie they have a good manager, defend well and keep on winning)but we should be safe for this season as we will be out of the Champions League nice and early and Spurs are now in the round of 256 in the Europa Farce. They will try and win it, bless them, because unlike us they are still a football club and that will divert them from the stocks and shares business of coming 4th. Making these comments makes me even more angry than I residually am with the manager. There is no argument to meet the following proposition, namely that whatever our resources and playing staff, not to take the organisational steps to TRY and win the league is simply negligent. Only in wengerworld is such negligence acceptable and praiseworthy.

  54. Ron

    Jan 20, 2017, 13:47 #97245

    JJ - I feel that this Everton renaissance is a bit of an illusion to be honest. They need a stadium - badly. That ll occupy them for a few years more and its got to be paid for. The guy Moshiri whos gone there is for that purpose primarily, not splashing out on players. Lots of old stagers there who ll have their good days when Everton have their dogs of war mood on but will have more ordinary days than good. Cant see them breaking the glass ceiling to be honest and i cant see Koeman being there log either. Once they have a purple patch (they may well be in one) his stock will rise. Hes got bigger fish to fry than Everton. Im sure he wonders at times if he slipped up leaving Saints to be honest.Evtn arent brilliant, but the team work ethic will carry them along to an extent.Always hard to beat at Goodison Park esp at night, but brittle away from there. Always good for 7th/8th. Nice Club. Fans are a motley crew. Can be hairy going there at times. Never seen the same menace at Anfield in many years of going to their dump.

  55. jjetplane

    Jan 20, 2017, 12:17 #97244

    Reckon the Totts are looking a better bet than Chelski for the title. If they beat Citeh Conte will be worried. Thought this Tott squad was impressively athletic, strong 3 years back and now looking powerful everywhere on the pitch and more prepared mentally. What do you think Jamerson lol! Easy to talk like this because Wenger has enabled it with his soft culture which hopefully will lead to going out of the top 4. He will still sign up again and with Giroud and the rest of no hopers happily bedded in I imagine the contract is already drawn. The other teams at the top will consider that amusingly good news. More interested in Koeman so **** Wenger and his dull predictable regime.

  56. Mark

    Jan 20, 2017, 10:54 #97243

    If your Team cannot sorry can never win say 5 matches from the 12 matches to be played against chelsea, spurs, city, utd, Liverpool and Everton, then you NEVER have a Chance of wining the league !

  57. Ron

    Jan 20, 2017, 10:12 #97241

    Agree on Tottenham. Looking as solid as they were under Burkinshaw 35 odd yrs back.People keep saying it all hinges on Kane staying fit, but it could be said that all of those top 5 depend on one or two players. Most teams do. Good side and good to watch.

  58. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jan 20, 2017, 9:02 #97240

    Seven kings- couldn't agree more. The spuds are beginning to worry me, the manager is top class in my opinion. And you are bang on about us being beaten in the tunnel. I fear we are on the cusp of some humiliating spankings at the chavs, anfield, the spuds and stoke. I just don't trust this team to stand up and be counted when it matters, they just don't have it in them. They have proved it time and time again that they have no spine. Worrying times

  59. Bonzo

    Jan 20, 2017, 6:03 #97239

    I'm so glad for Jameson and BBA that they have kissed and made up, it's lovely that they can attend the Grindr awards ceremony tonight. But why not bring Squeak along too and where's Brian? So many unanswered questions? Have fun boys!

  60. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 19, 2017, 21:15 #97236

    Siddy,I am more worried about our neighbours in North London than the ones in West London. The Spuds have a very good manager who is turning them into a proper team, more like the Arsenal of 20 years ago, whilst Wenger is turning us into a T*ttenham under Hoddle. IMO when we play any decent team away we are beaten in the tunnel.

  61. Bonzo

    Jan 19, 2017, 18:44 #97235

    Max Allegri appears to believe Patrice Evra is an Asshole, he's pulled the Pink Suited twats media links. I'm liking him more and more. Next Manager please!

  62. Eastlower

    Jan 19, 2017, 18:19 #97233

    This might send a cold chill down a few spines - what if Arsenal did finish outside the top 4 and Wenger still got a contract extension with the club saying something like "the Champions league money isn't as important now as it was before and maybe the club will improve in the league without the distraction and demands of this competition. Therefore we think that Arsene deserves more time..." aaaaargh

  63. Paul Ward

    Jan 19, 2017, 18:14 #97231

    Think Chelsea will win it quite comfortably,the Costa business seems a storm in a tea cup to me and is unlikely to derail them unfortunately. The top six will take points from one another whilst consistently beating the rest of the teams, and Chelseas 12 game winning run , coupled with our Everton/ Man City nightmare week has almost certainly sealed our fate for another year. Still, we must all live in hope, and there is plenty to play for in the coming weeks and it's good to see most of the injured are back, for now!

  64. Ando

    Jan 19, 2017, 17:53 #97230

    Sorry but yes you are

  65. mbg

    Jan 19, 2017, 16:58 #97228

    Tony Evans, it certainly wouldn't be nice especially for the fans (I doubt very much wenger would give a f**k though he'd just be his arrogant self with excuses and blaming others)but it might be the best thing that ever happened (even finishing above us)to wake up the AKB's from their ten year slumber and it would certainly be the final nail in TOF's Coffin, it would then be interesting to hear from those who's heart (and spin) told and allowed them to think we were back in it.

  66. Siddy

    Jan 19, 2017, 16:48 #97227

    Ron - I totally agree about "everything needing to falls into AFC s lap for them to ever win it" but sometimes things work out that way in life. (Maybe the "back in the title race" headline was a bit inflammatory). I also think it's a great point that had we won the PL last season then we'd have another five years of AWFC. NOOOOOOOOO! Being a Gooner is becoming increasingly complicated. W***er out

  67. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 19, 2017, 16:19 #97226

    Ron - I'd support your arguments about the club's lack of ambition by saying that no-one in the club's hierarchy - especially Wengo - ever seems to get worked up about finishing outside top spot. There's no anger, no reaction, no meaningful inquests as to what happened, and as we know to our collective chagrin, no changes in personnel. Stasis and huge sums of money are the order of the day. Meanwhile, the people for whom it does matter, i.e. the fans, are being anally penetrated by wengo and punxatawney phil. In fact, rather than seek to improve, ivan the liar and the chihuahua of doom crank up the spin machine telling horrendous porkies about the virtues of finishing fourth and promising more when our already fantastic finances get just that little bit better. Jam tomorrow! - yeah right, your miserable money-grubbing bast*rds...

  68. John F

    Jan 19, 2017, 16:19 #97225

    The problem is the contract is rumoured to be signed in March before the top four has been decided and I really can not see this board sacking him once he has signed.If he has a bad February then the pressure on him may be a factor.If he does sign and fall out the top four his disciples will just say get behind him for next season and see what happens and so it will go on and on until he alone decides to go.I think he came within a matter of inches in calling it a day when Gibbs kicked the ball off the line against Hull in the cup when we were 2 down .

  69. Ron

    Jan 19, 2017, 16:01 #97224

    Siddy - Leics C wining it last yr is exactly what i mean by everything needing to falls into AFC s lap for them to ever win it. The usual challengers all flopped, Leics got their act together and it was a very winnable title because there was only one unlikely candidate until Wengers feint hearts bottled it as usual. Reality is that had AFC have won the title last Season, Wenger s job would have nailed down for the next 5 plus years, so if there ever a bizarre case to say that failure to win a title was a big beneficial plus, it was not winning it last yr. AW and SK would have dined out on a title win for the next decade!

  70. mbg

    Jan 19, 2017, 15:53 #97222

    Siddy, a very stupid question, like all the rest of the gullible your starting to/falling for the usual shyte/spin bulls***e that always happens, pops up, is spewed by wenger and his cohorts (it always happens never fails)at this time of the season every season to cover up and distract from TOF's failings, very surprised at you indeed, you'll be calling for wenger to stay and get three more years next. wenger out.

  71. jeff wright

    Jan 19, 2017, 15:50 #97221

    Hi Ron, I can't myself see Wenger surviving if he misses out on a top 4 finish especially if Tottenham get one. The reality is that Wengo has also used finishing ahead of them every season to help him out with his his claim that a top 4 finish is a success .He used an alleged lack of money to explain away his failures against Chelsea for donkeys years particularly so when Mourinho was in charge at the bridge . That claim though was blown away last season when Leicester won the league with a squad of journeymen that cost what Ozil and Sancho spend in London night clubs in a year. Also everyone beat Chelsea last season when Mourinho was in the hot seat ,well everyone that is apart from, of course , Wengo.

  72. Ron

    Jan 19, 2017, 15:33 #97220

    Agree Jeff - the Club needs to finish 5th or more positively, even lower than that. Only that will undermine and undo the spin that props up the myth of AFCs continuing 'success'. The supporters that are still buying into it will only ever understand reality when some serious decline sets in.

  73. John F

    Jan 19, 2017, 15:23 #97219

    Siddy I am in the same frame of mind,I can never quite bring myself to want Arsenal to lose games even though it might bring about the change we desperately need.I think Wenger is staying no matter what happens he often let's his contact wind down to the last few months before he signs,maybe to boost his own ego with the will he won't he hype.I cannot see him moving to another club where he might end up getting sacked and he is too obsessed with football to retire.Arsenal is perfect for him as Ron puts it where the only demand is to make a profit.If only he would announce like Fergie did that this was his last season then the conflict wouldn't exist and we could all relax.

  74. jeff wright

    Jan 19, 2017, 15:03 #97218

    The Costa situation is that he is after more dosh and a new contact at Chelsea and using the Chinese whispers to help secure that.I can't see this having any impact whatsoever on Chelsea and expect Costa to win the Golden Boot this season and the league title as well. So do the bookies that is why Chelsea are odds on and we are er,12-1 against ! Anyway using the Costa scenario we need to wake up and smell the coffee because the Glum and Glummer ones that Wenger is struggling with can just as easily be said to be having an impact on our aspirations-albeit they are only top 4 trophy again. I can't see any difference between Costa demanding more money to stay at the chavs and Osil and Sanch demanding the same to stay on Wengo's magic roundabout .Ozil made some comments about Wenger staying could play a part in his doing so. Money though will be the main reason for him doing that and it really is la la land stuff to believe otherwise. Wengo finshing outside the top 4 would in my view bring the curtain down on Wengo's increasingly boring and acrimonious tenure and for me that is a price worth paying.

  75. Bard

    Jan 19, 2017, 14:56 #97217

    Siddy mate this is the worst of your articles. Ron made the point Arsenal dont set out to try to win the title, the assertion that we do is just spin for all the mugs who live in hope. As shown by the finance league we are nicely placed at 7th so job done. Balanced squads, great squads poor squads, it doesnt matter the outcome is the same. The way I see it we will do well to get 4th spot.

  76. Siddy

    Jan 19, 2017, 14:48 #97216

    John F - I was actually expecting more abuse for this article than i've got, so far. I was partly testing the water and I qualify everything I say...I honestly don't think we will win the PL this season but stranger things have happened...look who won it last time!!! My piece is about the conflict between wanting Arsenal to do well and wanting The Messiah out. For instance, I was totally conflicted in the Bournemouth game when we were three down. Part of me wanted us to lose six-nil but I couldn't help but celebrate when we got one back and was urging us to give it a go. It felt great when we equalised but my heart immediately sank when Giroud did his poxy scorpion celebration rather than running to fetch the ball. That moment summed up everything that's wrong with AWFC. No wonder Sanchez threw his gloves to the ground.

  77. John F

    Jan 19, 2017, 14:31 #97215

    Siddy you may well write this post again next season at this time and repeat it until Wenger gets to his Seventieth birthday when he will might call it a day.He seems to be a bit obsessed with not making many changes until the number 70 has passed in games so it wouldn't be surprising for him to apply the same rule in management.

  78. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Jan 19, 2017, 13:57 #97213

    A bit off topic this, but I for one couldn't care less if there's no January signings. The limit of the club's ambition is plain to see, so better we divert around the "wonky crock signs four minutes before / after deadline" scenarios altogether.

  79. Siddy

    Jan 19, 2017, 13:36 #97211

    jjet plane, I'm insulted by the AKB comparison. I've wanted him out since we blew it in 2008. I can barely contain my fury. He has changed my feelings for my beloved Arsenal. But I am in the 'like to be proved wrong' camp. I stand by my assertion that we have the most balanced squad and if it wasn't for fan pressure then AW would probably still be persevering with the like of Sanogo. The problem is that players get worse under AW these days. Take The Ox, for example, he has regressed and even when he does start to show a bit of form, W****er hooks him and drops him. If we had the likes of Klopp, for instance, we'd be running away with it now.

  80. Ron

    Jan 19, 2017, 13:33 #97210

    Hi Siddy - AFC like the idea of being a 'chaser' but really arent that fussed. They like to be seen to be a chaser and would love to win it, but underneath theyre not concerned. 4th will do for them. If they did win it, it would mean all else fell into their lap, rather than their own designs to make things happen. Theyre not interested in making things happen and making it a real chase. As for Chelsea, Costa will stay for now and they ll dump him in the Summer. They need his muscularity for now and would miss it if they sold him now. He wont upset Conte though. The Coach rules in Italian football and Contes upbringing is at a Club that dwarfs Chelsea historically. Players comply. Theyre fit when theyre told theyre fit and they play when theyre told and dropped when theyre told. Getting big bucks comes at a price in Italy. The price is that the Club 'owns' the player. I think Conte will handle Costa in that mode. Conte is a hard character i feel beneath his suave manner. Its almost certainly why RA got shot of that self obsessed p---k whos at Utd now and brought Conte in after last yrs shenanigans. They ll be no ganging up on Conte by the likes of Costa. I wouldnt put any hope in Chelsea getting sidetracked if i was you.

  81. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jan 19, 2017, 13:31 #97209

    Siddy- we were never in the title race, as soon as we got near the summit we folded under the first merest suggestion of pressure as per the norm and were 9 points behind the chavs within a week. Anyone with half a brain knows we have zero chance of winning the title again under Wenger. Last year was his final chance with the other top teams going through transition and under performing, and we all know how that went. I'm more certain than ever with players signing new contracts and gushing all over Wenger that the new 2 year extension is imminent. It makes me want to bang my head against the wall!!

  82. jjetplane

    Jan 19, 2017, 13:19 #97207

    Cannot stop seeing the video of Giroud talking about his new contract which sums up the limitation of these club. He scores a few goals and all of a sudden he is back to the top and imagine is one of the resons Sanchez buries his head in his coat. Sanchez is a hard working player and would be a perfect fit under Conte where he would play with like skilled players and not the likes of the pathologically insincere Giroud and the rest of themuppets haeded by the absent yet and fearless Walcott. To say this is a balanced squad Siddy is a big AKB mistake. Arsenal are presently like a big comfy sofa with pillows all over the place. Soft to the core with no team ethic such as is displayed by Chelski and the Spuds. Reckon it is between those two with 4 clubs fumbling over CL cash pots. Wenger may scrape through as he has more experience of chhasing trophy shadows than any other manager in the modern game. Whether he can hold up against low tidal flow of Pep, Klopp and JM is another thing. Out of those three Klopp has the most determination and I finish with the blinding evidence that Wenger is not not only up to it but has never really been there. His early years were managed by Adams et al and with their salutations to Bobby Pires the game was up. Afinal moment for a great bunch of players and so back to the video of a pathetically smug Giroud - how did this happen to such a great club. Come on you Toffees! lol!

  83. Bob

    Jan 19, 2017, 13:00 #97206

    Nob, I did skim the article but it adds little to the rhetorical question which is its basis. The comparisons between this lily-livered lot and the class of 97/98 are almost insulting. And yes, Wenger can take a degree of credit for bringing in key players such as Vieira and Overmars when he first arrived, but he inherited an awesome defence and any credit he has in the bank has long since gone into the red as he has clung on while the game has passed him by. The hope does not kill me, because until he goes it doesn't apply.

  84. Siddy

    Jan 19, 2017, 12:49 #97205

    Tony, I am with you. As I have said, my head tells me we won't win the league again under AW. It's just that I got a little surge of optimism over the Costa situation. Last season was meant to be our big chance and all I'm saying is that, although the top six is more predictable this time around, there's not much between us and them. We all have problems. And, Tony, yes, I also fear that Spurs could go all the way. Wenger out, Ozil in.

  85. Nob

    Jan 19, 2017, 12:46 #97204

    Bob - if you gave up reading after seeing the title, how about refraining from commenting on an article you self evidently having even read?

  86. Tony Evans

    Jan 19, 2017, 12:38 #97203

    Siddy - I won't answer your rhetorical question but suffice to say, in my opinion, we haven't a cat in hells chance of finishing top. Would love to be proved wrong - my biggest worry is that lot from down the lane for once lasting the pace and securing their first title since the year after I was born!

  87. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 19, 2017, 11:55 #97201

    Yes is the answer to your question. If you ever want to see AFC challenge for the title again, you should 'hope' that we finish outside the top 4 this season and that's enough to make him leave. Even that probably wouldn't do it, but it's the only hope to cling to.

  88. King Jeremy

    Jan 19, 2017, 11:55 #97200

    Be patient - the Chelsea game is fast approaching. All will be answered in that 90 minutes

  89. Bob

    Jan 19, 2017, 11:51 #97199

    I gave up after I read the headline. In short, the answer to your rhetorical question (as respectfully as I can manage) is "yes, you are". We are currently in 'flat track bully' mode and on course for fourth place, or third if we're very lucky.

  90. Mark

    Jan 19, 2017, 11:44 #97198

    Deloitte Football Money League Table - 2015-16 Revenue 1. Manchester United – £515.3m 2. Barcelona – £463.8m 3. Real Madrid – £463.8m 4. Bayern Munich – £442.7m 5. Manchester City – £392.6m 6. Paris Saint-Germain – £389.6m 7. Arsenal – £350.4m 8. Chelsea – £334.6m 9. Liverpool – £302m 10. Juventus – £255.1m 11. Borussia Dortmund – £212.3m 12. Tottenham – £209.2m 13. Atletico Madrid – £171m 14. Schalke 04 – £167.9m 15. Roma – £163.2m 16. AC Milan – £160.6m 17. Zenit St Petersburg £147m 18. West Ham – £143.8m 19. Inter – £134m 20. Leicester City – £172.1m

  91. chris dee

    Jan 19, 2017, 11:39 #97197

    Wow!After 12 years of deja vu and this season being no different yeah, you way beyond stupid. Sad to see Arsene willing to sell Carl Jenkinson,a gutsy player who with proper coaching and encouragement would have become at least the equal of a Gunners legend Pat Rice.But no doubt he will get good defensive coaching under Alladyce and become an excellent full back. Unfortunately he's at a club where a prancing,poncey right full back with a hairband who can't make a tackle and can't take a tackle and has no conception of defending is preferred.Obviously because we have been so successful these last 12 years with this type of defender we have to keep our trophy gathering going by continuing to ignore that dirty word 'defending'.