Are Arsenal a 75 points team?

Gunners need to improve substantially on their ten year average if they are to have any serious title chance



Are Arsenal a 75 points team?


For those optimistic about Arsenal’s chances of overhauling Chelsea who fancy a bet, at present Arsene Wenger’s team are generally third favourites for the title, behind Chelsea (who are predictably odds on) and Spurs. You can currently get between 8-1 and 9-1 from online bookies such as Bet365 Mobile on Per Mertesacker lifting the trophy in May.

The reason that Tottenham are slightly more fancied than the Gunners to win the title if Chelsea stumble, in spite of being a point behind their North London neighbours, reflects a more testing run-in for Arsenal and arguably a lack of faith, after so many botched attempts, at their ability to see through a title challenge past Easter more than once in recent seasons.

The away trips to Chelsea and Liverpool look ominous and fans won’t require long memories to remember that pair of trips in the spring of 2014, when the Gunners’ title challenge evaporated in their defeats at those two grounds. The February 5-1 defeat at Anfield was not actually terminal to their title chances, as deep into March, they began Arsene Wenger’s 1000th match in charge, at Stamford Bridge, with the chance of going a point behind first place Chelsea with a game in hand. What followed won’t make good viewing for Gooners anywhere.

The other thing that is worth bearing in mind is that Arsenal’s final points tallies in the years since they left Highbury have varied between 68 and 82, as the graphic above confirms. In that period, the amount achieved by the champions has ranged from 80 to 90 (Arsenal have only posted more than 79 points - in 2007/08). Only twice have the champions achieved less than 86 points in those ten years. Significantly, only on two occasions in the decade have the Gunners been less than ten points short of the champions.

So unless Arsenal are going to post a higher total than they have managed before, the odds are they won’t have enough to inherit the trophy from Leicester.

I’ve done a rough calculation on how many points are achievable if results go as I suspect they will, although I’ve been generous in predicting wins on all of the trips to West Brom, Palace, Boro and Stoke, and perhaps pessimistic in expecting them to get nothing from the games at Chelsea and Liverpool, and to fail to beat either of the Manchester clubs at home. And of course, I’ve not allowed for any dropping of points at home to the likes of Watford, Hull, Leicester, West Ham and Sunderland. Of course in the past, Arsenal have at times had some unexpected draws and defeats on their own turf in the spring against opposition that they would be expected to take care of comfortably, last season being a typical example. Critically though, they rarely achieve maximum points against their principle rivals.

This pattern has remained this season, with the games against Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham having garnered a total of five points from five games, in spite of three of those fixtures having been an home. And when the pressure is on, they rarely win against the top sides. Perhaps the form shown by the players who currently held in reserve against Southampton in the FA Cup may at least give the manager options he has not always enjoyed before to change this.

The bottom line is that on paper, there are a potential 95 points to aim for. You would get extremely long odds on them achieving that, but if Arsenal can maintain a fairly decent spell of good results, and beat the two Manchester clubs at home, then there is hope that they can finally buck the trend of finishing with between 68 and 83 points. I suspect they would still have to get a result at Chelsea to have any chance of achieving top spot, and you’d probably get a decent price on Antonio Conte’s side failing to win that game. Last time Arsenal managed that, Robin Van Persie and Andre Santos were amongst the scorers. It’s been a while…


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  1. Gaz

    Feb 01, 2017, 9:22 #97616

    Arsene Wenger before yesterday's game: 'The players are prepared and mentally focused for the challenges that lie ahead'. Arsene Wenger after yesterday's game: 'we were not mentally ready for tonight's game'. What a ****ing joke he's become.

  2. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 01, 2017, 9:08 #97615

    Can't wait for the Chelsea game where our band of pansies will really come into their own. It's all set up perfectly for another humiliating capitulation- 12.30 kick off away from home, pressure to get a result, just waiting for Walcott to come out in the press and talk of the amazing spirit in the dressing room and how we will come out and take it to Chelsea- before promptly losing in embarrassing, familiar fashion. Oh the joys of being a Gooner.. I sincerely wish wally, Ramsey, gabriel, ox, Gibbs and all the other serial bottlers disgracing our club would never play for us again. There's far too many at this club not fit to wear the shirt, I'm bloody sick of them

  3. TonyEvans

    Feb 01, 2017, 9:03 #97614

    I can just about remember the days when we used to come flying out of the traps and had the game by the scruff of the neck straight away, and virtually won by the half hour mark. Now the opposite is usually the case, we come strolling out, expecting the opposition to lie-down and die, and have thrown the game away by the time we actually start to play. Huge incentive last night you would have thought but no same old, same old, and all Wenger can say is we weren't mentally prepared! I refuse to get angry about it any more, just not worth it but ffs!

  4. The Man From UNCLE

    Feb 01, 2017, 8:21 #97613

    Bard; we haven't played well at home all season. Chelsea were a shambles that night and gifted us two goals. But, hey ho, what's changed. Another missed opportunity. I don't even care anymore.

  5. Up For Grabs Now

    Feb 01, 2017, 8:14 #97612

    You would have thought that after last season being knocked out of the FA Cup at home by Watford, that Wenger would have gone into this game not assuming the three points were already in the bag, having the players fully motivated and fired up from the off! Oh I forget though, this is Wenger we are talking about, silly me!! So much for the optimistic debate about possibly being only 2 or 3 points behind Chelsea come Saturday evening. A more realistic figure now is being 12 points behind Chelsea come Saturday evening! So long as Wenger manages top 4, that will be enough for a contract extension from our ambitious American owner! Will this farce ever have an ending? Seems not!

  6. Bard

    Feb 01, 2017, 7:41 #97611

    Bit of perspective here guys. Yesterday was an opportunity and we blew it. Anything familiar there ? Defensive shambles as has been predicted here for months. We havent played well all season apart from the Chelsea game. I hate us losing but if yesterday and Chelsea send Wenger on his way then it will have been worthwhile.

  7. TonyEvans

    Feb 01, 2017, 7:29 #97610

    Yesterday we were saying two wins and Chelsea faltering at Liverpool and we could be in the title hunt. As per usual our team of bottlers couldn't even win the 'easy' game, never mind away at The Bridge this weekend. Not mentally prepared according to Wenger!

  8. Siddy

    Jan 31, 2017, 23:24 #97609

    We want our Arsenal back

  9. GSPM

    Jan 31, 2017, 22:49 #97608

    Fuming , listening to Wengers pathetic excuses " players not mentally prepared".,.... ffs what a disgrace , worst result of the season and instead of gaining ground we lose it . Why changing a winning team from sat , which had pace . Fuming !!!!

  10. John F

    Jan 31, 2017, 22:34 #97607

    Mbg,I can see his faithful saying "look what happens when Wenger isn't on the bench",forgetting that he is the one who picks and prepares the team.They came out looking a shambles and totally unprepared and what has Perez got to do to get a regular start disguise himself to look like Ramsey.

  11. mbg

    Jan 31, 2017, 22:27 #97606

    Wot you think of that then AKB's trolls etc, no doubt your all still reading the posts, who's fault is that then ? who's to blame ? another blip ? I know we get up brush ourselves down and go again. wenger out.

  12. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Jan 31, 2017, 22:20 #97605

    Arseneknewbest- beautifully put, im right with you pal

  13. mbg

    Jan 31, 2017, 22:13 #97604

    There we have it then full of hope for Bould but he's as bad as wenger, I still don't blame him though if he was allowed to do his own thing maybe it would have been different, but no doubt he was following orders what a f*****g waste of space this useless old fraud is, it was only a matter of time, and like I said a while ago wenger and his team have a hell of a beating coming, will it be the chavs who inflict it? surely surely we're witnessing this old past it managers death throws. Go now wenger.

  14. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 31, 2017, 22:11 #97603

    Arsene, Bouldy, Ivan the liar, Stan-K, the overrated players, the soulless bowl of a stadium, the two colour scarves, the third kit, the £100 tickets, the selfies, the designer beards, the injuries, the turning your back on shots, the sulking with hands on hips. You're all f*cking dead to me. Arsenal RIP.

  15. Leesmith

    Jan 31, 2017, 21:46 #97601

    Absolute shambles. About as effective as Donald trumps PR man.The muppet show continues from year to year, but the common denominator remains. Losing to Watford at home- gawd help us!

  16. David1

    Jan 31, 2017, 20:44 #97600

    What goes through AWs mind at this point of the season? Does he think the same tactics will surely work one day, and bugger on regardless? How does it affect him that the same thing happens every season?

  17. Leesmith

    Jan 31, 2017, 20:34 #97599

    I see it's back to the usual then....

  18. David1

    Jan 31, 2017, 16:40 #97596

    All true. Worth pointing out that the odds on a title win would change if, by the weekend, Arsenal have reduced the gap to 2 or 3 points. You're right though; what has to be factored in is Arsenal's substandard performances against top teams, and the historical tendency to bottle it under pressure. New manager please.

  19. mbg

    Jan 31, 2017, 16:21 #97595

    I wonder where a Stevie Bould team would be, or have been in the betting ? or how optimistic we'd all be or would have been this season. There's only one Steve Bould.

  20. GSPM

    Jan 31, 2017, 15:36 #97594

    Stats, stats and more stats. Wenger is reviewing his CL spreadsheet as we speak, analyzing what we need to do to ensure CL qualification . As for winning PL that is a mere by product of his minimum requirement . More spin today claiming current strikers better than Henry & co , mans lost his marbles......."Stevie boulds red & white army "

  21. jeff wright

    Jan 31, 2017, 14:45 #97593

    If Wengo couldnt manage to win the league last season when in a more favourable position than he is now in then he will not win it this time either. Our defence is not good enough to win the league or the European Cup . I don't know what all the fuss is about anyway because similar claims for other sides challenging for the title can be made with so little in it between 3 or 4 of them in the minor top 4 places .Wengo ever the bullshine artist and master of illusion claims that he is spoilt for choice with the alleged fantastic strike force that he currently has which according to Monsieur Wenger is better than the Invincibles one ! If you believe that then you will believe anything .I can't recall Henry and co being 8 points adrift of the side in first place at any time .Fact Wengo has NEVER won a league title when failing to win away at Old Trafford. So the omens are not great, especially when also taking account of his record at the Bridge .The bookies are having a laugh offering 8 -1 for us to win the league the real odds are much longer and anyone who takes those odds on offer really is proving that old adage of, a fool and his money are easily parted, to be true. We have to beat Chelsea at the weekend a draw for them will not in the context of the bigger picture be a disaster .Also, rather a lot of optimistic hopes seem to be pinned on Kloppo's red flops turning over Conte's blue crew .Not impossible of course but not something I would bet on happening .I do believe though that we will beat Watford although what this amounts to depends on results elsewhere .C est la vie !

  22. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Jan 31, 2017, 13:34 #97592

    Makes no difference how many points we end up with, it will not be enough. The fact is 13 years after our last title we are still no nearer to winning it again. There are currently 2 sides better than us in our own city for gods sake. Unfortunately as we know we have a manger who works without accountability. Top 4 and a new 2 year contract is my fear and expectation. If only these rumours about Allegri (or anyone!) are true....

  23. mbg

    Jan 31, 2017, 13:14 #97591

    Improve on our ten year average, that just says it all. wenger out

  24. TonyEvans

    Jan 31, 2017, 12:30 #97590

    Frank - Most of us aren't even holding our breath this time around are we. Two wins and Liverpool doing us a favour and we are suddenly two points away from Chelsea, but as your report suggests I still don't see us getting enough points on the board in the end, especially with some of the tough games remaining. What else can we think based on what we have seen so many times before.