Time to turn up the heat on Kroenke – Part 1

Silent Stan has shown no desire to intervene and is not fit to be Arsenal’s owner



Time to turn up the heat on Kroenke – Part 1


The 10-2 humiliation by Bayern Munich has sealed Wenger's fate. It's not just the magnitude of the humiliation, but the fact that Wenger looked lost and paralysed like a rabbit in the headlights. It is only a question now of when not if Arsène Wenger will announce his decision not to renew his contract at Arsenal.

Even when this happens the main club's problem will not be solved for Gooners. The club will remain a billionaire's plaything whether we like it or not until a true fan becomes the owner. If we are not to decline into a mid-table has been, then Wenger's successor must have proven pedigree. Despite his failings during his tenure at Arsenal, Arsène Wenger has enabled us to enjoy the fruits of Champions League football upon a regular basis. His achievement was a mixture of effort and luck, often through the lack of our rivals’ consistency in the final run in.

I think that this season however will see Tottenham finish above us which will add to the howls for him to go. The successor to Wenger will have to make genuine progress by winning trophies and attracting sound marketing investments which will pay the bills. Yes we need cash and whether we like it or not as money is the root of all evil in professional football.

Whilst the world economy lurches from boom to bust, the finances of football still buck the trend. The Chinese super league now think that they can buy their way to credibility by buying legends. Broadcasting deals from BT and BSkyB have ensured that the greed of players will not be satisfied anytime soon. The Arsenal wages structure is in dire need of reform. Wenger's left wing ideological system based upon low differentials between players has not worked and has only served to reward ineptitude and lack of desire.

The Leicester success last season demonstrates that you don't need a team of highly paid world class stars to win the league if the team spirit and effort is right. Equally, young potential stars need to understand that fame does not come just through earning £90k a week aged 20 years old. Claudio Ranieri arguably lost his players because of money rather than the lack of it. One could argue that the alleged Leicester player conspiracy to oust this great man was fuelled by greed, but when all is said and done, true team spirit is motivated by ambition, and if you are showered with riches, then the ambition to work hard for the club and the fans is simply diminished.

Gooners have marched to show their disgust, they are left this season with the likelihood of a FA cup semi-final berth by beating Lincoln City (assuming no giant killing performance). This will only delay the pain and when we finally face Manchester City, the outcome of that game might leave us well outside the top five if Manchester United makes up the points deficit.

The Sanchez row has only highlighted the failure of this squad to build team spirit and cement a pride of what it means to play for your club. Arsenal has often been described as punching above its weight, and the AKB's would have you believe that the club only came to prominence after Arsène Wenger's appointment. This is a cruel lie and airbrushes out the real historical facts of Arsenal's dominance in top flight English football in past decades which was "The Arsenal Way" and it's subsequent success was borne out of the family ownership of Arsenal football club by true fans for fans, and having visionaries like Herbert Chapman.

It takes shrewd investment decisions to buy or develop players that will not break the bank, mixed with a number of established veterans who will give a hundred percent on the field. Sounds familiar? Arsène Wenger once did this. However he could not have achieved this without the defensive back four courtesy of George Graham. Arsène Wenger has to be thanked for his innovation during the first ten years of his tenure. However he now has to be condemned for his dictatorial arrogance that has blighted the club over the last five seasons. He has destroyed part of his own legacy, aided and abetted by Stan Kroenke. If Kroenke remains as the club's owner then I believe that we may not appoint the calibre of new manager that will give us the real Champions League success that we crave.

The new manager will need to spend the club's money, as this would require Kroenke having to invest in The Arsenal. I can't see Kroenke putting in that kind of money. The chatter about Massimiliano Allegri's prospective appointment when Wenger leaves seems hopeful. He is a protégé of Antonio Conte and having an Italian mindset will be crucial to aid our defensive frailties. However it seems that it will be a short tenure as in 2012, Allegri stated that he intends to coach for only 10 more years and plans to retire at the age of 55 due to the fact that coaching contains a high level of stress and anxiety. He also said that he hopes to coach the Italian national side before he retires. This clearly would not leave much time to manage The Arsenal. Media reports suggest that he has already entered into a pre-contractual agreement with the club.

If you look at the history of our great club, Arsenal FC knew the importance of buying the best players who would improve the chances of collecting honours. Arsenal used to regularly break transfer records, but now we can only stand on the sidelines as billionaires change the face of football for the worse. Recall that Chelsea had no history until Abramovich arrived. Manchester City similarly bought success with the same philosophy. So forget about Wenger, and even if Allegri arrives at the club in the summer, there is no prospect of Arsenal sitting at the top table of football clubs, whose eligibility is measured by the number of Champions League successes. If Arsenal is not to decline and suffer a period in the wilderness, then we have to turn up the heat on Stan Kroenke. He has shown no desire to intervene, so he is not fit to be our owner.

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  1. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 22:52 #99203

    Jason, good post, just to carry on ref the funds and I've said this before and i'll continue to say it as it's my belief, I've no doubt it's all down to wenger, if wenger would have went to Kroenke any time over the last three four five years/seasons, and said, or demanded £30 million for this player, 30, million for that one, 35 million for him, 25 million for him, now i'm talking three or four proper players here, and bear in mind it wouldn't make any difference anyway with TOF coaching them, but the point i'm making is the money side of it, wenger would have GOT it, would he have been refused ? some one who's supposedly so well respected ? and with so much power ? and making him Kroenke even richer, to hell he would he'd have got it, he's have got it alright, but i'd safely say TOF didn't, and never did, and never will, he didn't want to spend big, has never wanted to, and if was offered it would probably turn it down he has always wanted to do it his way (and to f**k with what the fans want)and win it on the cheap and prove everyone wrong and take all plaudits, and oh that has backfired spectacularly. We want wenger out we want wenger out

  2. markymark

    Mar 09, 2017, 22:26 #99202

    Squeak you're shining your bell end again. Each day I read online editions of the Guardian, Mail and Telegraph, they reflect differing political, foreign and domestic coverage. My websites are Gooner, Le Grove, ANR ( Palmer can be a buffoon) and Untold for entertainment. Plus various non football related past times. I'm 100% Wenger out by any legal means possible and have been since 2010. Please explain what you're on about as you seem to be suggesting that's it's impossible to read conflicting views and not be able to maintain a continual thought process?

  3. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 22:12 #99201

    Great read from Neil Ashton in the Sun today, yes the journos are starting to say it and tell it as it is, wenger stuck in a time warp he says, he reports Arsenal dressing room as toxic, and in turmoil, breaking ranks, in fighting, respect for wenger (and other players) gone, now apparently the Ox and others want out bored of TOF and his ways, about fooking time they'd all wake up, go now wenger you embarrassment.

  4. Leek fc

    Mar 09, 2017, 21:49 #99200

    Bell end bonzo. You don't have to read untold arsenals posts. Clearly you are unsure as to where you are in life. Untold state they are pro Wenger. Strange that you keep straying onto their website. Maybe you have something to tell the 150 louts who are turning out on Saturday. Hatred for Arsenal is for online gooner and online gooner only.

  5. markymark

    Mar 09, 2017, 21:21 #99199

    Untold - most illuminating. 'Hunter' apparently will taunt us after Wenger is gone and we are in 7th place. Crazy Walter thinks these are wise words. Never have I seen such blatant love Arsene (hate Arsenal) comments. Then again I probably do each time I read their tripe.

  6. the playing mantis

    Mar 09, 2017, 21:16 #99198

    no no no. this article is insidious akb speak, seeking to water down and misfocus the excellent protest and planned ones against his master. if the protests switch to a broader target they will be watered down and go nowhere. but this is exactly what the author wants. just like when redaction got involved in the time for change march, it lost focus and was pointless, but they were deleighted as it meant no one said anything agianst their hero. the protests must focus on one thing, no new contract for wenger. if and when he goes then aim can be turend to kroenke and others.

  7. Paulo75

    Mar 09, 2017, 20:56 #99197

    Its not a question for now obviously but I do wonder what changed Wenger from the Title winning, competitive, striving to be the best, fresh new Manager on the Block to the man that just settled for 4th best? 20 plus years in a job would be too long in almost all walks of life. I think he just disappeared up his own backside in the end with the failed project youth and thinking he could do it all on a shoestring even when the Russian and Middle East money came to town. Penny for Tony Adam's thoughts on all things Arsenal just now ....

  8. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 09, 2017, 20:18 #99196

    Good article in today's "i" - headlined OWNER KROENKE IS ASLEEP ON BRIDGE AS ARSENAL DRIFT TOWARDS IRRELEVANCE! Correct & shameful. But this year apparently he has hired the youngest coach in NFL history - totally out of character I would have thought, bet the guy came on the cheap? The team is the LA Rams for those of you interested in Amerikan sports.

  9. John F

    Mar 09, 2017, 20:03 #99195

    Great post Jason entirely agree.Bard and Ron I thought exactly the same about the Barca game.Another theory is that with Wenger being linked to the PSG job perhaps the team were just preparing themselves to play the Wenger way.

  10. Jason

    Mar 09, 2017, 19:27 #99194

    Although in theory we can start blaming Kroenke, and he does have a part to play in this mess, in my opinion it is definitely Wenger who is the route cause of it. Yes Kroenke could and should have sacked Wenger years ago, but why would he. Kroenke is not an Arsenal fan, and probably not even a football fan, and as previously stated, Arsenal is just an investment for him. As far as he's concerned Wenger is doing everything that is required of by him. However, since the stadium investment noose has been lifted he has not deprived Wenger of any more funds than we are used too. (£80 odd million in the summer) I have been an Arsenal fan since 1977 and Arsenal have never been a club to smash transfer records and wage structures. We are just following the same path that we've always done. It's more a case of what Wenger has done with those funds and the severe lack of any tactical nous. We spent a vast amount of money on Ozil and Sanchez, and although both are superb players on their day, neither were what was required. When we signed Ozil the money would have been far better being spent on a top drawer defensive midfielder. When Sanchez was signed it was a centre forward we really needed. We signed Sanchez and then played him out wide and kept Giroud up front. Take both out of our team and add Kante and Cavani for arguments sake, we'd be a lot stronger. Even with the players we do have, a better manager would get by far more out of them. There never seems any plan whatsoever and as for his substitutions!!!! The other great myth is "why did me move stadiums then" It might have been sold to us that we needed to move to compete with the very best, when really we moved just to stay as we were, just behind the financial muscle of the Man Utd,s Real Madrids, Barcelona's and Bayern Munich's. Add in the new wealth of Man City and Chelsea, it leaves us exactly where we've always been. If we'd stayed at Highbury we'd never have stayed in the top four for so long. In order for Arsenal to compete on the pitch with these teams we need to out smart them tactically, like George Graham did. There is no way in a million years Wenger would have won the trophies Graham did with those teams.

  11. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 19:08 #99193

    Keown might not be as far up wengers arse if TLSOE hadn't brought him on in the dying seconds at Highbury for his tenth game all those years ago(did he even touch the ball ?)in order to qualify him for a prem medal having done very little, did he even deserve one/it ? and if my memory serves TOF had forgotten about it/him and had to be reminded by Keown, I bet if he'd have missed out and sat watching the other players collecting theirs he wouldn't be kissing TOF's arse and defending him as much as he is today. wenger out now.

  12. markymark

    Mar 09, 2017, 18:53 #99192

    Well we are on the News again so it does show how the club is part of the fabric of the UK. Also glad to see that my decision to hang around the back of the protest worked so my face wasn't plastered all over news. Thought the public announcement from Chips was quite inclusive. I noted it was neutral as we didn't get a load of puff about his service etc, or be careful what you wish for. Not sure if anyone heard that journalist quite aggressively say to Wengo. " Are you seriously saying you will be here next year? " Now that's what Wengo is going to have to deal with. It's this and the turmoil in the team makes me suspect he will go. It's like a doddery old teacher with the class running circles around him.

  13. jjetplane

    Mar 09, 2017, 18:37 #99190

    Over on Untold they are saying John Cross is an historical WOB!? That kind of puts Atwood and his silly soldiers to the Far Right of Trump via slippery Stan. ****ing mental and another on there is now slagging Tony Adams. This is getting personal but I won't bite. ****s!

  14. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 18:17 #99189

    Tony Evans, spot on, but just watch Keown and the rest of TOF's luvvies change their tune and their stance when he does go, it'll suddenly be yes the time was right, yes he's brought us as far as he could, it was the right decision etc, etc, pathetic, especially if the new mans a big name and face with a big reputation they'll not want to get on his wrong side and they'll be kissing his arse even more than they were wengers, and then if he does flop (even though it could take all his contract, and probably will, to sort out this mess) they'll be the first slagging him off the loudest along with all the other AKB wengerites, that's if there's any left that haven't went with him. The Keowns and all the other so called legends who are now sitting on the fence (and lets hope their all reading this) or backing TLSOE will not and should not be forgotten in the roll they had to play in all of this, not getting off the fence and speaking out when they should've etc, etc, and should be let know it at every opportunity too, maybe it would help change their tune with some chanting of their name/names, and banners with their names on them to go with wenger and see how they like that, you'd soon see a different attitude. Keown out, your not wanted here, how does that feel you twat.

  15. mad max

    Mar 09, 2017, 17:47 #99188

    how can wenger still be in a job is beyond me, every press conference, he airbrushes his disaters from history, focus on the next game is his remit every f---in time he,ll still be here next year because the fans are scared to protest. Tuesday night,s protest was a start but it needs 2 be continued inside the stadium. who,d have thought we,d be hoping the arsenal to lose games to get rid of a manager who is slowly killing the club we love that WE BUILT, god give me strength.

  16. TonyEvans

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:57 #99187

    Hi Ron - as Bard says that's an interesting thought about CL match fixing. It wouldn't surprise me at all in the dodgy, murky world of football that exists today.

  17. Bard

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:42 #99186

    Ron; an interesting aside mate. I texted a mate who lives in Italy and watched the Barca match in a local bar. They were all laughing saying it was most definitely a fix. Cant afford to have Barca going out at this early stage. Food for thought.

  18. markymark

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:42 #99185

    What numbnuts like Keown doesn't get but I think Wright for all his faults understands, is that the moment the let's be nice to Wenger pressure comes out will be the moment he allows us the joy of 2 more years maybe even more. He's looking at any opportunity to give himself the contract . It's his complete falling away as a manager and us WOBs who've put the brake on it. Heel needs to remain on his throat till he goes.

  19. Almunia is a clown

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:40 #99184

    Many fans also want Wiggy out but Wenger is in our sights so bringing Kroenke into the debate will just dilute the Wenger out protests & demonstrations. WENGER OUT NOW! KROENKE OUT LATER!

  20. TonyEvans

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:37 #99183

    Don't understand where Keown is coming from at all. What's he angling for? He got shafted by Wenger post 2006 CL final and yet leaps to his defence at every chance. Every ex Arsenal player should be calling for Wenger's head, though at the moment, as far as I know, it's just Charlie Nick and Wrighty that are telling it how it is.

  21. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:01 #99182

    Also just heard on the news TLSOE has said he is going to take into account the fans protests when he makes his decision (obviously not made yet, and if we can believe the c**t) and obviously knows all about the protest/protests and the way everyone feels, so there we have it what more of an incentive do we want ? keep the fooking pressure on now more protests, more no new contract banners, more we want wenger out banners and chanting, and especially if/when we win, we mustn't let up now, we have our chance now folks, Do we want him out or not ? now's our chance. No new contract, we want wenger out.

  22. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 09, 2017, 15:01 #99181

    I have to smile everytime I read words equating Webster with Socialism -- really? What a lovely world to live in, everyone on mega bucks beyond The Workers wildest dreams. Totally bonkers. Today's rant should be reserved for Keown - Arsene "doesn't deserve all this" (abuse). WHAT! I don't think I deserve the 12 years of disrespect I have received from the Arsenal Corporation &, especially so, neither do those guys who stump up fortunes to offer their loyal support, home & away, through thick & thin. You know you "thin" is - "thick" are the few remaining AKBs.

  23. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 14:38 #99180

    Good Article Rocky but sorry your wrong about now turning our attentions to Kroenke, first things first, getting rid of TLSOE is the most important job at the minute, that's what we have to concentrate on (and boy are we nearly there) and we'll then see whose fault all this really is, then we can concentrate on Kroenke (if need be)with everyone singing from the same hymn sheet. wenger out.

  24. foxinthebox2001

    Mar 09, 2017, 14:26 #99179

    I don't agree with the Stan protest right now. It just clouds the issue, and fools who know nothing or care nothing about the frustration just say, look, they dont know who to blame. Lets rid our club of the cancer called Wenger, that has infested us with mediocrity and a loser mentality. He is completely complicit in the money over trophies philosophy, he is the man that stands up for the board, the public face. I say once he leaves, lets see Stan try to replace him with a coach just as unambitious, one willing to trade his personal achievements for a sack of cash. You think Pep, Jose, or Conte would this? Not a chance. Get Wenger out, then stand back and watch the calamity unfold at boardroom level. Maybe Stan will have to think about selling when realises he will have to invest, not remove funds.

  25. The Man From UNCLE

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:53 #99178

    Said it before and I'll say it again - I'd take getting humped by Lincoln if it gets Le Fraud out the door. A tragedy that it's come to this, but if needs must. BTW they must be fancying their chances Saturday. Keep it nice and tight for the first 15-20 minutes and who knows.

  26. Yes its Ron

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:45 #99177

    ....and what better Tony than PSG doing a bottling job last night that the modern Arsenal would be proud to have played out coming to AWs aid. Now he knows that wealth doesn't stop a catastrophe and he ll be telling everybody that through a leathery grin soon enough. It could have been a fix though last night of course, with PSG in on it couldnt it. It smacked of a well scripted farce didnt it, but then i think much of that CL is fixed to suit the elites. The half baked way that keeper came out and didnt do a lot to stop goal 6 betrayed the fix for me. I could be wrong. i often am, but there were shades of 2005 Liverpools farce in that last night.

  27. TonyEvans

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:30 #99176

    Too true, Ron. I said to my daughter if you dress well, speak well and know how to present yourself you will be alright, and doors will open for you. It helps to have connections too, but even without the 'old school tie' you can go far if you look and sound the part. Wenger is good with the media and, as you say is a clever man - many would have crumbled by now, and it will take more than a 10-2 aggregate reverse to shift him. He should never have survived the 8-2 and since then has brushed of the 6-0s and 5-1s as if they're nothing of any consequence, and gets away with it!

  28. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:26 #99175

    Kroenke and Gazidis are both cowards of the highest order. No one has heard from them for god knows how long, instead they are happy for their puppet to take all the flack whilst they sit back and count the money. This is the sort of people we have running our club- not a backbone or an ounce of moral fibre between them. That's why I want all three of these w******* out of our club. On another note, I'm in agreement with most on here regarding keown the pundit, some of what he comes out with is laughable. Have to stick up for him from a playing point of view though, I thought he was a fantastic centre half personally during his second stint at the club. Not in Adams's class but many many levels above keystone Kos and anyone else we've been saddled with in the last decade. And remember it was him coaching the defence when we reached our one and only CL final, only to be binned by Wenger once he started receiving too many plaudits!

  29. mbg

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:22 #99174

    TLSOE is finished alright, reputation in tatters, legacy (for what it was)in tatters, remembered for all the humiliations, embarrassments, for bringing some of (and still has)the worst players ever to don an Arsenal shirt to the club, and for setting some of the worst most embarrassing records ever set by the manager, not least the laughing stock of Europe. Go now wenger you Embarrassment.

  30. Paulward

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:20 #99173

    Fed up with Keown, mans a real bore and never got in the team ahead of Adams, Bould or Campbell and is not an Arsenal legend at all. As far as I know Sanchez and Ozil earn far more than Rambo or Gibbs, so talk of a "left wing" pay structure is yet another complete red herring where Wenger is concerned. Not sure too many socialists would be drawing 7 million a year and still sleeping at night.Out Out Out.

  31. Yes its Ron

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:18 #99172

    Hi Tony - good comment there. The aura that Alsace mentions - see his post above carries AW such a long way to the point that hes almost untouched by all of yr criteria isnt he. Its incredible but then hes a clever man, hes suave and debonair, hes a snob and of course speaks well. We all know that there are many in many diverse professions who deep down are total sh--e at their jobs but who can present so well that theyre perceived to be 'experts' and omni competent at what they do. AW s in that category. Anybody that carries themselves with breeding, class, real or perceived in this Country will always go far and have doors help open for them by people who defer to them, without asking themselves why theyre doing it. Its laughable and sickening at the same time, but society in the UK , particularly in England is impressed by it. Wengers sure tapped into this and uses it well to suit his own ends.

  32. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:17 #99171

    Another red herring regarding Wengo's future is the Glum and Glummer not signing new contracts saga. Does Syrupy even want them to do so .Not in my view it doesn't if it costs him money .Players can easily be replaced . As the actress said to the bishop ,they come and they go. The statement from Wengo just confirms my view that he is waiting on how results go regarding the top 4 finish. In the meantime he has to cope with the culture of comfort zone mentality that he has instilled in his squad and the discontent that this has finally caused among them with those such as Glummer who want more ambition shown by their fellow players and manager. The silly Scorpion goal celeb against Bournemouth by Giro, when he made it 3-3 , after we were 3-0 down at one time and needed the Cherries to play with 10 men for 20 minutes to secure a draw that wasted time with a few minutes left to try and score a winner ( were you watching Barcelona last night Olly) looks to have been the straw that broke the Camel's back for Sanchez. He knew then that Wengo is really just the lord mayor of Toy Town where he is surrounded by sycophantic nodding dogs.

  33. TonyEvans

    Mar 09, 2017, 13:00 #99170

    A football manager loses his job because one or more of the following happens: the board get's jumpy; the fans revolt en masse; the dressing room is lost; continued poor results, and to a lesser extent the media turn up the heat. The only one of those scenarios, where Wenger is concerned, I have any faith in (if it happens) is a continued run of dreadful results. The board will do nothing; never enough protesting fans to make any real impression; the players are spineless to a man (barring Sanchez) and the media (whilst now more anti Wenger than they ever have been) mostly come up short of saying he has to go - so that leaves results. Make no mistake Wenger is angling to stay, I'm sure of it (Arsenal is his life) and although it goes against every grain in my body I want Arsenal to lose every game from now until the end of the season, or until Wenger announces he is going. Nothing else is going to shift him, of that I am sure. As for Kronke - what can you do, we're saddled with him and have to make the best of it.

  34. Yes its Ron

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:57 #99169

    SKG - Keowns a legend in his own lunch time. The only time he ever had any identity at Arsenal was under Wenger. He was squad material under GG and the same largely under AW wasnt he. He was s---e at Villa and Everton and recalled as such by Villa fans who i know well. Hes busy re writing his own uneventful career history on the TV. He thinks we have acute memory loss i think. A very average player, who wasnt as hard as he tries to have viewers believe and only of any use if we needed a man mark job doing. Never a fundamental player for Arsenal. He sets himself up now as the self appointed voice of authority on all things Arsenal. Its all bollox and nearly everything that he utters is too. His career perception was elevated as a result of him slapping RVN on the back of his neck at OT. Had he not have done so, he d barely be remembered.

  35. Alsace

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:54 #99168

    The effect that Wenger has on people who are or have been close to him is remarkable. He seems to have more than a charismatic hold on them. A Svengali type effect. I wonder if he told them to sell the club and go into South American government government stock or premium bonds, that they would do it. In one way Wenger is the greatest. He has an impenetrable aura of bull dish. We just have to keep smashing away at the lie that he is competent. Slam slam slam. Smash smash smash. Tell your friends, white letters and emails and tweets and pray for Lincoln City to be on their game.

  36. Rocky the King

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:51 #99167

    Ian M, I think that it is you that fails to understand my points. The wage differential structure at Arsenal is left wing ideological, in that it tries not to single out rewards based upon merit. The thought that we should pay our world stars much more that ordinary young squad players is wrong in the egalitarian utopia that swirls around Arsène's head. I believe that we should not regard complacency.Financing purchases of world class players on the other hand does require money. In this real world, how can we continue to compete? My point is that we should invest reasonably, and not like the Chinese Super League. Team spirit and effort will trump high wages any day if the ambition and desire to win is really there. Well said Seven Kings, I have said on my Twitter feed exactly that, the greatest Arsenal manager has yet to come in my opinion.

  37. Seven Kings Gooner1

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:47 #99166

    To go with "post truth" and "fake news" we now have "Keown Speak" the ex Villa and Everton player is now telling us that "Arsene Wenger is the greatest manager Arsenal ever had" in his piece today. AW won 3 titles in 21 years, Herbert Chapman's team won 4 titles in five years and as my dear departed father would say "Had Chapman lived and the WW2 had not happened he would have won a half a dozen more" We must stop the media and the Martin Keown's of this world from re writing history. Aston Villa need a bit help at the moment why does n't he clear off to the Midlands like he did when he left us for more money in the 80's!

  38. Yes its Ron

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:47 #99165

    We ll never know whether SK has ever placed any sort of barrier on purchase prices for players until Wenger writes his next book. Its wrong to assume that EVERYTHING this last 10 yrs has been of Wengers decisions. SK may know little about football, but lets not be fooled into thinking hes totally removed from what Wenger does and says. Hes a business man not a statue, though he might seem like one to us via his remoteness. He has his influence despite the perception that Wenger is the ruler of all that he surveys. Only an idiot thinks otherwise.

  39. Bard

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:44 #99164

    I tend to agree with Jeff on this one Rocky. I dont think Wenger's toast yet although he should be. We are still on track for our usual. A hiding in the CL changes nothing. A couple of wins and its all good. Unless Wenger's presence affects finances there is no good reason from Stans point of view to change him. The fact that fans are pissed off is an irrelevance from the boards point of view. What may affect Wenger is abuse from the fans inside the ground. He is notoriously thin skinned and might jack it in but unlikely in my view.

  40. Rocky the King

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:40 #99163

    Well said Jeff & Maff. The top four finish will decide his fate from Wenger's point of view. However Alsace's alternative press release from Sir French Fries is much more on the money. Wenger has forfeited his right to decide when he should go, upon his complacent and arrogant belief that he can fix things. Insanity is defined by doing the same stupid things repeatedly and getting the same result! (Apologies to Einstein)

  41. Ian M

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:35 #99162

    A ragbag of all the old cliches. But calling Wenger's pay structure a 'left wing ideological system' is hilarious. You blame money, then lack of money, make up your mind.

  42. Alsace

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:27 #99161

    Have just seen sir French fries comments on the club website. They will make a comment at the end of the season. It should have said "we are embarrassed and ashamed that our collective negligence has led to the serial humiliation of the team and of the club. We will now be taking steps to summarily dismiss the manager. We will pay up his contract and hope to have a competent manager in place as soon as possible. We can only apologise to the supporters and the players and staff who have lived under an oppressive and debilitating regime for what has been, we now realise, far too long.

  43. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:27 #99160

    As it stands at the moment Wenger is odds against to finish in the top 4 along with United. The bookies go 1-2000 for a top 4 place Chelsea. the spuds 1/7. City 1-6.Liverpool 4/7.Arsenal 11/8.United 15/8. Kloppo's crew are not solid regarding consistency though and their current odds are based on beating us last weekend they look the most likely to be inconsistent out of the current top 4 but apart from City away on the 18th their league games Klopps league games look easier than Wengo's ones do .Wenger's position is perilous because for him to succeed in winning a top 4 place others must fail the problem is however they are all in a better position than he is and on paper like Liverpool look to have an easier run-in . Winning his top 4 trophy has kept Wenger in a job not winning it will most likely cost him it.

  44. MAF

    Mar 09, 2017, 12:23 #99159

    ''Arsenal are a Team of spoilt brats'' - 5Live - I definitely agreed there. Arsa V Barca - see how Barca reacted to a 4 Goal deficit - ist not over until ist over - ist not just their Football its all their DNA and fighting Spirit. React against Lincoln ? beam me up scotty, a decent top 6 Club would send out their 2nd Team and win this 3-0. Simeone please

  45. Rocky the King

    Mar 09, 2017, 11:14 #99158

    Thanks for the comments, I understand the feeling that Wenger could still remain at the club if he gets lucky with results . I think that I have more chance of winning the lottery, I really do. The Scum may finish above us and win the FA cup. Kroenke apart, do you really think that Wenger would stay if he is out of the top four and the Scum are ahead? I don't wish financial ruin on the club (this being the only way that Kroenke will walk away) So we need Wenger to fail big time to win over those Hooners who still feel he is the right man for the job. No Champions league next season will hit the club's finances big time. When Keith Edelman created the stadium model, If my memory serves me right, then the club had a break even point of 30-40% empty seats. With the current wage bill that percentage will be much lower. So Gooner's who do not renew, will send a message to Gazidis. Also before the Club bragged about having over 10k fans on the waiting list for seats. I think not, & given the crisis of the club, any newbies would be 10 minute wonders and not be able to afford it long term with the current economic climate. The Kroenke brand has to be tainted in some way. Herd is right to reveal Kroenke's ruthlessness, but one would be complacent to ignore the power of social media and people power. So I think that provided we finish 5th or 6th which is a real likelihood, with no FA cup. Guardiola now needs this trophy to save his season, and will make it hard for AFC, let alone if we have a semi final against the Scum. I stand by my assertion that Wenger will then be history. Yes I could be quite wrong, but if I was a betting man, the odds of Wenger still being at the club next season have lengthened somewhat.

  46. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2017, 11:01 #99156

    Mark,Stan has given Wengo more cash than the Leicester owner gave to his managers yet the Foxes won the title last season and are still in the Champions League this term while Wengo has flopped again last season and in this one. No one expected the Foxes to win the league again but some bad results in it saw Ranieri - who had reverted back to being 'the tinker man' fired . I don't think that Syrupy Stan was to blame for Wenger 's failure to seize the opportunity that was given to him by the slings and arrows of adversity that had brought about the demise of the Chelsea and City managers last season .Wenger was just not up to winning the league due to his own shortcomings. It's the constant failure by him every season to mount a title tilt and the 7 times now out of Europe at the first fence scenario that shows that Wengo is just not fit for purpose.Stan is happy with the cash being earned but surely a real football manager would want more than that. For me Wenger is not a real football manager and never has been one. He lives in a parallel universe to other managers and that is why it is dangerous to assume that the rules that govern these other managers apply to him as well.They don't.

  47. Paulward

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:58 #99155

    Still think Wenger will go because I don't think we ll get top four or win the cup, and he needs to do at least one of these to even begin to justify staying. However it is vital to keep pressing him to go between now and the end of the season, protests should not dilute the issue by turning fire onto Kroenke and Gazidis.

  48. markymark

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:41 #99154

    I conclude with most the replies, his leaving is 50/50. Ron made a very good point in a previous article that Ivan is very wrapped up with Wengo. Ivan may well be fired when Wengo goes so Ivan will cling on and use anything he has. So I reckon 50/50. However the good news is that the expectation is he should go. Therefore he will be tormented by media and social media should he try and push to overtly to stay. His higher level disaster interview will become more the norm and the results are disastrous plus the dressing room is in some disarray. Everything must be done to push Wengo out, everything within the legal framework of the UK. Once he has gone I think naturally Kronke should be allowed to deliver a choice of new manager. We can then see. To be fair the board have always said that funds are there. If they hire a director of football we may actually become far sharper with our acquisitions . The reality is if Kronke doesn't block funds and allows the manager a reasonable go, is he that bad?

  49. Herd

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:37 #99153

    Stupid article ,Stan Lives in Missouri on a large ranch you can get no access to ,he wont feel the heat . He Buys property in Texas then looks to evict the tenants ,not a single **** is given by Stan to their pleas and it's their homes . He bought his shares in Arsenal as a long term investment, the company is working well and making money and to date he has taken NO dividend as he would be entitled to do ! Why would he intervene ???? ! Our History since the Hillwood days is that of a club that always tried to get away with a marquee signing every now and then never as record transfer smashes Whittaker and Chapman were before our time . Kroenke hasn't stepped in and barred us from signing anyone has he ? No He has left the club in the hands of an able administrator Ivan Gazidis and a manager who has led us to Champions League football every year and might still land silverware this term . He might well use a phrase from a supertramp album ,crisis what crisis ?

  50. bradyorbergkamp

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:35 #99152

    Hard to know about stan.if he is in it for the money then he has maxed his investment and needs to sell.his investment is stagnating and his walmart connections should tell him what happens if a shop stagnetes.mind you after tuesday you could argue we have stopped stagnating and are now imploding.if he is a chairman that thinks managers should manage and stand by them when things go wrong then it is hard to argue that he has not stood by his man in trying times.his business head should tell him he needs to change the manager,and that pick will tell us more of what his plan is.if he renews AW contract then perhaps we may conclude he needs to sell up as he does not understand football and he would be better to sel up to Big All

  51. Yes its Ron

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:33 #99151

    Debated this last week to a degree Rocky. Good post though. It was agreed that AW has to be the target as hes the easiest to hit really and its his hand on the tiller plus the Board are so remote. I do agree though. I share the view that the Clubs ownership has to either change in personnel or in approach for any Coach to prosper there. The Clubs lack lustre culture is so deeply embedded now, it could take yrs to alter unless SK sells up. AW going will either be a catalyst for genuine change or just a reiteration of 'the King is dead, long live the King'. We ll see wont we but i dont see Arsenal PLC being fixed on the pitch to the extent it needs to be just by changing AW, as much as i d like the man to leave. Him going is just one small initial step along what could be a very long road for AFC in my view.

  52. Petergooner

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:30 #99150

    Hopefully Wenger watched Barca v PSG.That is how we want to play like we use to. Look at these comments Luis Enrique said:- "If a team can score four times against us, we can score six times against them." (Wenger should have thought the same). So what has changed since then? First and foremost, the mood around the club appears altogether more relaxed. Enrique's decision to announce his summer departure immediately following the win over his old club Sporting drained much of the tension that had surrounded his future.(Wenger have you thought this no). He had described himself as "tired" that day (just like Wenger). His tactical tweaks have been roundly criticised this season and he has been culpable for some curious selection decisions.(Just Like Wenger although Wenger has not tweaked anything except all the true fans). A new formation has helped too (Wenger new forwation. That is a PLAN B,C ETC) Of course the turn around was facilitated by PSG's edginess and lethargy, the French side seemingly paralysed by fear in the first half and overcome by the Barca side late on.(Rings so many bells eh??) ENRIQUE FOR GOONERS NEXT SEASON. GOT TO BE. HOW MANY TROPHIES HAS ENRIQUE WON COMPARED WITH WENGER AND WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN? EASY QUESTION:- LEAGUE, LA REY CUP, CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, WORLD CHAMPIONS. (THAT IS ENRIQUE OF COURSE)

  53. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:26 #99148

    I don't get the impression that Wenger's fate is sealed that defeat against Bayern Munich has not forced him out he is still with us spouting bullshine! For Wenger winning the Champions League is not a priority because if it were then the hapless clown would have been fired donkeys years ago.Qualifying for the Champions League every season to ensure the group stage cash is in the club's coffers or Syrupy's deep pockets at the start of the next season is the name of the game and Wenger is still in with a chance of winning his infamous 4th place trophy if he can pick up enough points from the non-top six sides and results elsewhere go his way. Actually under the rules of engagement that Stan employs Wenger by it is more important for Wenger to qualify for next seasons Champions League than it is to actually win it in the current season. It's too soon in the game to claim that Wenger is finished at AFC he is a busted flush regarding winning league titles and European Cups but that has been the case since 2004 in the Prem where titles are concerned and Wenger has never anyway won anything in Europe in his life. A couple of good results add a bucket full of PR spin then Ivan organizes a we luv Arsene demo with the media back on side and Wenger could easily survive . Of course he will have to get those results and to win his 4th place trophy but until that scenario is not mathematically possible I think that I will hang-fire on concluding that Wengo is history.If only.

  54. The Man From UNCLE

    Mar 09, 2017, 10:22 #99147

    I agree it's not Kroenke. The man at the top isn't a problem as long as he brings in a manager who can get a team playing cohesively, challenging for silverware. (A team that could defend would be a start). The has-been from Strasbourg is very much the one to be taken down.

  55. Alsace

    Mar 09, 2017, 9:59 #99146

    Absolutely right. Kroenke is an irrelevance because we know that his priorities are not ours. He is a safer bet than the alternative. Wenger is our target and we just have to hammer away at him and the team. Their Achilles heel is their self esteem. We have to start showing at games that we think little of them and their so called boss. Those with a semblance of self respect will walk. What I can't stand is their silence. All of our high profile leavers over the years have kept Stchum. It's a disgrace. Only those ex players who really love the club have spoken out. More please.

  56. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2017, 9:50 #99145

    The starting premise of this article is wrong. Wenger's fate is clearly not sealed, much as it should be. The heat needs to stay on Wenger, the rest is a distraction that takes the focus on Wenger and is for after he goes. Such thinking does more harm than good at the moment.