Is Elneny in the back three another Wenger masterstroke?

Pre-season change of position has precedents



Is Elneny in the back three another Wenger masterstroke?

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It was an interesting to see Mohammed Elneny play in an experimental position in the back three in the second match of Arsenal’s pre-season excursion to Australia and China. Given the quality of the opposition, no-one is going to read too much into this as a long term option, but it did get me thinking about players moving to different positions with great success, and how pre-season matches are utilized.

Obviously there are absences from the Arsenal party due to international commitments in various senior and age limit tournaments. So the likes of Sanchez, Mustafi and Holding did not travel and are currently enjoying a month’s break. So we won’t see anything even resembling the manager’s first choice eleven until, I imagine, the Community Shield game, and even then, assuming Alexis intends to see out his contract, the Chilean will probably start on the bench.

The established players that can play in the back three that travelled to Australia were Mertesacker, Kolasinac, Bielik, Koscielny and Monreal. The first three started the opening game and Elneny played between the latter two for the 3-1 win on Saturday. So to me it suggests that it was simply a matter that no player was going to start both matches and the manager was looking for an option that could play there. Given the stature of the opposition (even though Arsenal did conspire to concede a ridiculous goal after Martinez picked up a back pass), it was a gamble that was unlikely to turn out too badly.

My mind started to wander down the tangents of past pre-season matches where different things were tried out. I remember watching Kolo Toure play at centre back for the first time in the 2003-04 pre-season. I think the first game he played in the position was at Celtic, partnering Sol Campbell. The rest, as they say, is history, but previously I had Toure down as a sometime liability when he played at full back. However, you can’t argue with an unbeaten league campaign, and this was a pre-season experiment that definitely paid dividends. It’s ironic that Toure ended up at Celtic in this respect, and although he only played nine times, it appears he is valued at the club as they are considering extending his contract with a view to him helping out on the coaching side of things. A positional switch of a different kind.

Lauren was moved to right back in place of Lee Dixon in the 2001-02 pre-season. The player had vied for a position (vacated by Manu Petit) next to Patrick Vieira during his first season at the club, but the manager sometimes played either of Gilles Grimandi or Ray Parlour in there, a selection dilemma solved by the arrival of Gilberto Silva as the Cameroonian was tried at full back. So two experiments that led to title wins.

Some other successful positional changes have happened during the season itself, a case of needs must. George Graham converted Mickey Thomas from a full back to a central midfielder halfway through the 1987-88 season (he displaced Steve Williams in the starting eleven) and the 1988-89 title winning campaign followed. Thierry Henry, of course, was purchased as a left winger, and started there in the 1999-2000 season until Marc Overmars’ return to fitness meant he was given a try in the front two.

So, I can see that Elneny as a ball playing centre back would fit Arsene Wenger’s philosophy of football, but I can’t see it working long term. It will be interesting to see if he is tried there in either of the matches against better quality opposition in China. If he isn’t, I think we can safely say that idea was a one-off. Let’s face it, when everyone is fit and available, the club currently have a glut of players who can play in a back three.

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  1. Seven Kings Gooner1

    Jul 20, 2017, 8:53 #102666

    Kev I think your tongue is in your check with this one but for what it's worth there has been an improvement with playing three at the back. Reason for that IMO is simple, when we play a flat four and the full backs go off "sighseeing" we end up with the two CB's defending against three or four on the break. At least with three they defend closer together and have an extra man over, if Wenger now wants one of the three to bring the ball out then we are back to only two defenders again. However AW may well do that just to be different and bloody minded or in truth - because he can and no one can stop him if the mood takes him. I hope he is just trying something different because he is short of centre backs on this tour because Elneny is just not strong enough to play in a back three.

  2. Arseneknewbest

    Jul 20, 2017, 8:06 #102665

    It's that cliché with deck chairs and the Titanic. Elneny is not a bad player, but he's hardly had a decent run out in the team has he? Same goes for Coquelin - neither appear to be wengo's favourite players (unlike Feo and Ramsay) and so get limited opportunities and can be expected to fit in anywhere to suit his pet players. What is the problem with the team? It's the manager innit! Some formations will also work better against some teams than others, but with a manager like bawbag wengo it really doesn't matter. But like some deluded dreamers on here, I'm constantly on the verge of an orgasm thinking about wengo and the cuming (geddit) season, especially after crushing BM in that all-important game yesterday.

  3. Cyril

    Jul 19, 2017, 22:56 #102664

    Interesting one Kev, but I think he could be a squad player in the next line of 4. Would love a world class holding player. Ramsey will always get forward so that's my concern. On a funny note, it seems that the old fashioned hatchet man Thomas Tits has taken out half the team. Great memories of the past. I think I will have a t shirt too and the Wenger in a chef hat is just comedy gold.

  4. mbg

    Jul 19, 2017, 22:45 #102663

    Kevin, another masterstroke ? was there a first ? careful or you'll have AKB's believing it and getting all moist again.

  5. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 19, 2017, 19:44 #102661

    Saw the headline & thought, blimey, Simon Rose is back! No "masterstrokes" since 2004 imo. Kevin, you cannot be serious, man.

  6. OneBardGooner

    Jul 19, 2017, 19:28 #102660

    Seriously!??// Kevin you have Lost Your Marbles Mate. a) Elneny isn't good enough to wear the Red &White in mid-filed never mind the back line...but to suggest that this might be a stroke of Genius by Wenger... You HAVE Lost the Plot. sorry mate but there it is.

  7. Moscow Gooner

    Jul 19, 2017, 19:22 #102659

    Sad to see Szczesny leaving - but at least he went out with class, unlike a few others...

  8. Time for change

    Jul 19, 2017, 18:45 #102658

    An experienced English centre back (Sol Campbell and Tony Adams) are the common denomiators in your examples Kev. Rob Holding has played one season in the PL.

  9. Exeter Ex

    Jul 19, 2017, 18:30 #102657

    Interesting how far you've gone back for the successful examples of positional change. How recently was the last one that worked out long term?

  10. equalizer

    Jul 19, 2017, 17:49 #102656

    Masterstroke Kev? Even the blind squirrel finds the odd nut. Elneny at centerback will not be one of them.

  11. mbg

    Jul 19, 2017, 15:59 #102655

    Redshirts, your not, but the biggest liability of all is starting with himself. wenger out.

  12. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Jul 19, 2017, 14:23 #102654

    As Ron and one or two others said on the previous post, we really need to strengthen centre midfield which has by and large been full of little diddy men since Vieira. Without a big physical presence there I don't see us improving much at all. I'm worried already that things are being allowed to drift again this summer- too many players need shifting on and I don't see how we can get rid of some of them given the outrageous salary Wenger has put them on (to effectively buy their loyalty and silence). And Wenger now seems to be dithering over more signings in his inimitable time old fashion. We need 3 or 4 more 'top qualitee' players at least, especially as I'm of the opinion that Sanchez will be sold late in August giving us no time to replace him (again in typical Wenger style). I've already got visions of the opening day of the season with Wally, willy, Gibbs etc all starting, please god I am wrong

  13. Yes its Ron

    Jul 19, 2017, 12:59 #102651

    Its maybe Wenger trying to create his own David Luiz type of thing Kev? Back 3 is becoming the trend isnt it as happens in football, one Club does it and it works, then others mimic it. Not sure Elneney has the physical characteristics for it though?