What Can We Expect On Sunday at Wembley?

A look ahead to the League Cup Final against Manchester City



What Can We Expect On Sunday at Wembley?

Arsenal will play with red shorts at Wembley


Since Wembley re-opened in 2007, Arsenal, after a bad start, have enjoyed their visits to the national stadium. The first two will be occasions to forget – a 2009 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Chelsea (for which Arsene Wenger decided his team could do without the recently signed Andrey Arshavin), and the 2011 League Cup final against Birmingham City, and we all know how that one concluded on a horrible dank February Sunday. (The weather forecast for next Sunday incidentally is for the game to be played in temperatures of 4 degrees, but at least it will be dry).

After that low point, the next nine trips were good days for the Gunners, and although the Arsenal vs City betting odds favour Pep Guardiola’s side, a look at the record of Arsene Wenger’s teams against big sides at Wembley gives cause for optimism.

Granted, in of those five of those nine matches – either in the FA Cup or Community Shield, Arsenal needed either extra time or penalties to emerge victorious, but the character and resilience they showed, especially in certain of the FA Cup games, saw them through.

To recap, the nine matches concerned were -
2014
FA Cup Semi Final – Wigan 1-1 (Arsenal win on penalties)
FA Cup Final – Hull 3-2 (in extra time)
Community Shield – Man City 3-0

2015
FA Cup Semi Final – Reading 2-1 (in extra time)
FA Cup Final – Aston Villa 4-0
Community Shield – Chelsea 1-0

2017
FA Cup Semi Final – Man City 2-1 (in extra time)
FA Cup Final – Chelsea 2-1
Community Shield – Chelsea 1-1 (Arsenal win on penalties)

This year, the club have already made one trip to Wembley, and it is a performance they will hope to put behind them, as they were fortunate to only lose 1-0 to Tottenham in the north London derby.

Manchester City’s shock defeat to Wigan in last night’s fifth round FA Cup tie is probably the worst thing that could have happened for Arsenal’s hopes. The fear is that City may come out like a wounded animal and play with even greater determination to put things right and register the first silverware for Guardiola since his arrival in England. Certainly, his side were unfortunate at Wigan, their League One hosts only registering one shot on target all game and only having to play against ten men in the second half after a questionable red card for Fabian Delph.

City put out a strong side against Wigan with many of the same players likely to start on Sunday, although they will probably need to play a centre back at left back on Sunday to cover for Delph’s suspension, with Benjamin Mendy still out injured. Guardiola might also stick with his domestic cup keeper policy and play Claudio Bravo, which would also help Arsenal’s chances. They will though, benefit from the recent return of Sane and Silva.

Arsene Wenger will doubtless maintain his own cup keeper David Ospina in goal, and it is highly probable that Laurent Koscielny will start the final. The Frenchman is likely to play out the rest of the season managing his ongoing achilles tendon injury, with the manager only playing him once a week at the most. Wenger looks to have returned to 4-4-2 as his preferred formation, so Bellerin, Mustafi and Monreal will make up the rest of the defence.

Going forward, things get more unpredictable. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is eligible for the final, and so will most likely be flanked by Mesut Ozil and one of Danny Welbeck or Alex Iwobi (Henrik Mkhitaryan being cup-tied).

The midfield though, is where things are even less settled. Was Granit Xhaka finally dropped for the trip to Ostersunds? If so, then a midfield trio of Elneny, Maitland-Niles and Jack Wilshere might start at Wembley, assuming Aaron Ramsey is not fit to play – which given the uncertainty over a prediction for a return from his current muscular injury seems to be the case. Defensively, it’s probably as solid as an Arsenal midfield can be from the current squad, although the amount of attacks Ostersunds created against Elneny and Maitland-Niles in Sweden will have given City plenty of encouragement.

Given what we have seen so far this season, it will need Manchester City to play below their best and Arsenal to reproduce the determination and focus that saw them overcome Chelsea in the semi-final, for the Gunners to lift the trophy. Last season, Wenger’s team enjoyed their fair share of fortune to win out against City in the FA Cup semi-final, although the hunger the team displayed, in contrast to what had been seen in the Premier League, was an eye-opener.

Ultimately though, finals are one-offs. They don’t always follow form. If Arsenal rattle City, and take their chances in what will probably be a very open game after some initial caginess, they can win.

An omen if you want one is that last season, on the weekend of the FA Cup semi-final, Arsenal were due to host Man City in the league. They won the game played at Wembley. This season… the final takes place on the weekend that Guardiola’s side were supposed to be playing at the Emirates, a game now rescheduled to Thursday 1st March.

One final word of warning for fans travelling early on Sunday. Chelsea play Manchester United at 2.05. Around lunchtime, the underground network will be packed with supporters of Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and Man City. It could be a cocktail as unappetising as the exchanges we are likely to see between Antonio Conte and Jose Mourinho at Stamford Bridge. Be careful!


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  1. mbg

    Feb 22, 2018, 22:31 #107292

    Another embarrassment but the weasel still scrapes through again, and pays homage to city in the process by wearing their colours, what a fraud he doesn't know the meaning of history and tradition. We want wenger out.

  2. mbg

    Feb 22, 2018, 16:47 #107289

    David1, he's been destroyed a long long time ago mate, and it's own ego and arrogance (among many others ) that did it. wenger out.

  3. mbg

    Feb 22, 2018, 16:28 #107288

    Exeter, what did I tell you all ? The Oysters would affect Ozil, he may be in bed alright but I doubt he's sick, lovesick more like. Regardless the outcome wenger out.

  4. Yes its Ron

    Feb 22, 2018, 11:32 #107282

    Ex - I got back into biking after about 10 years away from it. Love doing the sportives now. Knackering but fulfilling. Yes, MC should win by any rational assessment of the game on Sunday as you say, but they have a long history of flopping at times when it looks impossible to flop. Re Ozil and stuff like that, it appears players can get away with anything under Arsenals regime and its been the same for years hasnt it.

  5. David1

    Feb 22, 2018, 11:22 #107281

    Mbg doing his best Cato the Elder impression: Ceterum censeo Wenger esse delendam. WIthout fail.

  6. Exeter Ex

    Feb 22, 2018, 11:20 #107280

    Ron - yes cycling gives you so much doesn't it, mentally and physically, and it's a mode of transport. Need more separated cycle lanes in towns and cities to encourage people out of their cars. We'd all benefit. And I share the feeling some of us have that Wenger will get another get out of jail fee card on Sunday, but I really think that's purely based on it happening before rather than anything in the present. Yes City aren't perfect but if they play at all decently and put in some effort, they'll win, simple as that. Seems the line Ozil was sick in bed on Monday and Tues is actually being stuck to, despite the proof he was in Turkey. Wenger doubling down, Ozil's immune system is in trouble he says. This is post-truth, Trumpian stuff: 'Believe what I say, not the evidence of your eyes'. It'll work on some.

  7. Yes its Ron

    Feb 22, 2018, 9:59 #107278

    SKG - I hear you well mate but there have been many 'better' teams with better coaches who have hit the buffers at Wembley in Finals, ourselves included. Just a feeing with this one that Wengers going to complete his domestic collection. Im of the view that Man City despite having 2 or 3 excellent players are quite the remorseless machine we re being told they are. Other teams have bought the hype about them and many think theyre beaten before they start. I know that Arsenals flakey, flimsy mental makeup would suggest that Arsenal are a club primed to be one of those teams who would fall into that category, but theres no pressure on Arsenal. They can play well when nothings expected of them as we know too well this last 12 years. Not only that, but we need to win so as to knock that smug grin off fat, condescending, plastic Man C fan Mikes face, the guy who wanders about with his tablet as he introduces the dreadful SKY Sports 'news' each morning along with the dreadful fake blonde who only owns 2 dresses to wear with her atrocious Worzel gummidge hair. Where do they get these people from?

  8. Bard

    Feb 22, 2018, 9:38 #107277

    Exeter; I read that about Ozil. Too ill to train but not to ill to travel to Istanbul for a bit of hanky pinky. Gives an insight into why as a side we are so flaky and why he flits in and out of games. Can you imagine doing that under Fergie or Conte for that matter ?

  9. Seven Kings Gooner1

    Feb 22, 2018, 9:38 #107276

    From a very stand back position I can only see one team winning, based on the obvious, City have a better team, better players and a better manager and Arsenal are due a tanking. However if someone can distract Wenger and get all the players in the dressing room and lock the door with Wenger on the outside, a 5 minute burst of telling this motley crew that they are playing for their futures might have some impact. Perhaps Frank Mac could be that man, he could tell them that although he does n't have a statue outside "the salad bowl" he still cares enough and will personally sort out anyone who does not give his best for the club, his teammates and for the fans. Tony Adams could also have a little one to one session with "sicknote Ozil" and tell him that if he is not "man of the match" he will be coming after him. Crude and very base for some of you I know but at least it might see some of our millionaires try for some part of the match knowing that their physical well being is at stake!

  10. Paulward

    Feb 21, 2018, 20:37 #107275

    A lot of people on here fancying us to nick it on Sunday , but a heavy defeat is more likely if we play like we did v Spurs last week.

  11. mbg

    Feb 21, 2018, 18:01 #107274

    Just wait the weasel (and his wengerites) will be telling us all next it was part of his grand master plan for success to drop to the ropey cup, especially if he were to somehow win it, what a come down, how it must be killing him, the egoistic old has been. Regardless of the out come it's wenger out.

  12. Yes its Ron

    Feb 21, 2018, 17:13 #107273

    Ex- Ozil has an inbuilt excuse for 'sickness' doesn't he. Always look s anaemic and jaundiced. PS Saw yr stuff about cycling. I do a lot myself matey. One of lifes real pleasures.

  13. Exeter Ex

    Feb 21, 2018, 16:35 #107272

    So Wenger says Ozil is sick whilst photos of him on holiday in Turkey on Monday appear. Perhaps it was in the contract - £300k a week and play when you want. What a way to run a club. Can't see how Kroenke Jnr is over to run the rule over anything to do with the football though, he doesn't have a clue. Can only think it's to look for off field profit maximisation opportunities. Like Gaz I fear that rather than suggest he's on his way out, the backroom changes are to give an excuse to extend Wenger's contract - 'He's got new signings and can focus on the football, it's a fresh start'. Wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the line taken this summer.

  14. mbg

    Feb 21, 2018, 15:02 #107271

    The weasel wenger now telling those that listen how useful the ropey league was, yes you egoistic old fraud to possibly save your skinny arse, what an arrogant human being. Regardless the outcome wenger out.

  15. mbg

    Feb 21, 2018, 14:30 #107270

    GoonerRon, there's nothing I wouldn't be suspicious regarding wenger, if the fa hadn't come out with it themselves we'd never have known, now what about the long standing tradition of short or long sleeves, ( I suppose it depends if it's cold) is it still in operation ? Let us know when wenger emails you, or better still when the fa announce it. Regardless of the outcome regardless of the result the shout will still be wenger out.

  16. Gaz

    Feb 21, 2018, 14:29 #107269

    Any chance of Wenger going in the summer has completely disappeared now Myles Palmer is reporting Josh K wants him out! Reckon he's been sent over here with the strictest of instructions NOT to implicate Wenger in anything that's going wrong. Also reckon the line from the Club will be now that Wenger's finally relinquished some of the power he had he'll be given every opportunity to prove it was this that was causing him to underachieve as manager. As for Sunday I think we'll nick it as Wenger's become the king of the domestic cup competitions! Not the title we left Highbury for is it?

  17. MAF

    Feb 21, 2018, 14:00 #107268

    The Americans usually get things right in the end as Churchill used to say, ocne theyve exhausted all alternatives. I thnk the Kroenke's finally smell something aint right + have finally joined the war to put things right i.e. a System around the Manager that is not wholly dependant upon the Manager. How many Managers have chelsea had last 12 years ? how many trophies ? but what we didnt see is alot of what is around the Manager remained in place plus the owner was extremely active + present during that period. It is claimed Abramovic has 2-3 secret coaches on the pay roll advising him of the Players to buy. he is also not adverse to bending the rules on how he pays Players/Players families etc in order to get his man. Anyway. Im living in hope that Arsenal are putting everything in place around Wenger ready to pull the plug so the place doesnt collapse..

  18. Bard

    Feb 21, 2018, 13:48 #107267

    MAF; ouch thats a tough post but as Untold would say you haven't factored in all the penalties that we haven't been awarded. If you had we would have had a 100% plus 2 CL and 4 prems.

  19. markymark

    Feb 21, 2018, 13:33 #107266

    MAF / Cornish - I suspect Wenger is slightly off the normal curve and tbf he probably does have traits of the classic business magnate. An example of his control freakery is at least a few sources stating that Wenger is frightened to cede power less he then keel over. This is an internalised excuse for avoiding facing a retirement and I’m sure he’s conciously made it more and more difficult to replace him by effectively being a quasi board member. It’s now time for a josh Kronke / Ivan axis to test Wenger’s belief systems by effectively sacking him. Hopefully in 2018 but more likely in 2019.

  20. TonyEvans

    Feb 21, 2018, 12:46 #107265

    Peter - midfield not the best either! Gut feeling though, for me, is that we may well nick it. Wished I cared more but what can you do?

  21. MAF

    Feb 21, 2018, 12:05 #107264

    Head-to-head PL points share, top six clubs, 2017/18 MANAGER PLD PTS % PTS WON Guardiola 6 15 83.33% Conte 6 9 50.00% Klopp 8 10 41.67% Poch 8 10 41.67% Mourinho 6 7 38.89% Wenger 8 6 25.00%

  22. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 21, 2018, 11:14 #107263

    MAF, a very good summary re AW & Jose, I wish I had penned it.. I have zero respect for today's version of AW but I do acknowledge the sheer joy of the early years - & no-one can deny his sheer uniqueness, intelligence, linguistic skills etc. etc. A clever old bugger really. So how did the man become a hate figure to the majority of us AFC loyalists - supine Board, couldn't care less Owner or is there something in the man's mental make-up? I would be fascinated to read a report from a psychologist's couch. I find it very sad state of affairs. A great club's future should not depend upon something as "trivial" as next Sunday's result.

  23. MAF

    Feb 21, 2018, 9:54 #107262

    i think we all underestimate the utter selfishness of Arsene Wenger. He does not think for the Club, he is not on the same page as the Club, he is a one man Show with an ego like the Eiffel Tower. it is all about him, him and him again. Do People now realise that ? it is all 'I' this and 'I' that. to Giroud he says ''i will get you what you want'' (move to chelsea not Dortmund). This alone is the at the core of the rot in the Club because to have a Person like this at the top is a complete disaster. You dont appreciate how this man thinks. it is disturbing just how selfish he is. I have more respect for someone like Jose Mourinho who altho he winds me up like mad, he will come into a Club and he will wear that badge/Shirt to the death ! he will do everything that he can to get that Club to the top, willingly sacrificing himself to the tabloids if needed to hide other issues. He is a top professional willing to apply all his skills to the Task at Hand for the Club he represents. Wenger ? his view of himself is like so many pompous French before him, de gaulle, Napoleon, Louis iv, in the end the People have to throw them out, they will never go of their own free will

  24. GoonerRon

    Feb 21, 2018, 9:09 #107261

    @ mbg - the EFL have said the decision was taken by them to avoid a clash of shorts colour, and have now decided in consultation with the clubs that white shorts will be fine. One less thing for you to blame Wenger about.

  25. peter wain

    Feb 21, 2018, 8:44 #107260

    probably a defeat but you never know. The defence is a major worry and whether we can score the other. Not hopeful to be honest

  26. markymark

    Feb 21, 2018, 7:53 #107259

    Old Miles Palmer is reporting Josh wants Wenger out.....

  27. mbg

    Feb 20, 2018, 22:25 #107258

    Redshirts, good post, i'd love to know who's suggestion that was, was it wengers ? more than likely i'd say, was it left to the captain as our long standing tradition dictated along with long or short sleeves, does the present captain even know of that long standing tradition ? i'd doubt it, if he does/did we have a different type dictator now, an old arrogant and egoistic manager trying to change tradition it into his way, and trying to air brush real history and tradition out of history and indeed has got away with it mostly thanks to his AKB wengerite luvvies. Go now wenger you old weasel you'll never be remembered as a true Arsenal legend or great. wenger out regardless.

  28. MAF

    Feb 20, 2018, 20:36 #107257

    Premier League Clubs Wage Bill For 2016-17 Season: 1 Manchester City £225m 2 Manchester United £220. 3 Chelsea £218m 4 Arsenal £200 5 Liverpool £165 6 Tottenham £121 Remind me again how much did it cost to buy Kante ? Azpercueta ? Cahill ?... how much did Xhake, Mustafi cost again ? must be something wrong no ? like a ****ing plan ? remind me again Aubamayang, Lacazette,Mikt, Ozil, how do they all play in the same team again..? is it because we have 2 monster defensive midfielders behind them ? Should we do a league table of ''tactically aware coaches''...?

  29. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 20, 2018, 19:45 #107256

    As with Yes its Ron, I am so "not bovvered" about today's scene that the result is important to me only as an indication of what's going to happen with Arthur. I feel he will jam an unexpected win because City have been overhyped. But I still cling to a childish belief that he will go this year, if only because the word on the street is that "Young Josh" wants rid. And frankly, if you were a young American millionaire with a craving to show a billionaire Daddy how good you are, would you want a worn out looking old Grandpa running your show? Of course not - even Carlo looks a comparative kid by comparison. Not a way to impress your rich mates & definitely NOT COOL!

  30. markymark

    Feb 20, 2018, 19:22 #107255

    Yes it’s Ron - I think there is potential material for an article in there about City’s likeness to Arsenal’s Wenger glory sides. The Burnley 1-1 was so Arsenal it was untrue . Guardiola making a bit too much of other teams aggressive play, leading to more of it is a mistake that Pepe is perpeptuating from yours truly. Think next year they will find it far harder . Let’s hope your prediction holds true.

  31. GoonerRon

    Feb 20, 2018, 18:06 #107254

    It seems we will now be wearing white shorts which means sanity has for once prevailed. As for the match, I don’t think any score would massively surprise me such is the possible range in our performance level. Let’s go for a buccaneering 2-0 to the Gunners, with us defensively compact and absolutely twatting them on the counter. COME ON GUNNERS ;-)

  32. Alsace

    Feb 20, 2018, 17:21 #107253

    This reminds me of the evening standard reports as to what might happen at Wembley. I can now reveal what IS going to happen. "The King is in the altogether,the altogether,the altogether, HE'S altogether as naked as the day that he was born. The King is in the altogether, the altogether, the altogether, HE'S altogether opened up to ridicule and scorn - and its altogether too chilly a morn" I used to have a record of Danny Kaye telling the story of "the Emperors new clothes" and that was the song from it.

  33. Seven Kings Gooner1

    Feb 20, 2018, 16:26 #107252

    Can somebody please give me the name of the person who decided Arsenal must wear red shorts. It's a very good point about City having the same failings as some of Arsene's really good sides, two teams capable of throwing away the game - should be fun.

  34. Roy

    Feb 20, 2018, 16:01 #107251

    If the motivated version turns up, of course we can win. But if the schoolboy defending outfit rolls up, it's goodnight. Either way, Wenger out.

  35. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 20, 2018, 16:00 #107250

    Carrying on from one or two comments on the previous post....playing in red shorts in a cup final when there is absolutely no reason to is just the latest example of the dumbing down of our traditions. Of course if we had a yellow and blue away kit we could of worn that. Wouldn't it be typical Wenger to snatch a victory on Sunday and another contract extension? Yet again I'll be watching Arsenal in a cup final half wanting us to lose just to get ourselves rid of the old parasite

  36. mbg

    Feb 20, 2018, 15:33 #107249

    And what's the betting the old fool will think he can do without the recent signings this Sunday too, especially if they weren't his. wenger out now.

  37. mbg

    Feb 20, 2018, 15:19 #107247

    Well one things for sure we can expect a drubbing before a win anyway. We want wenger out regardless.

  38. The Man From UNCLE

    Feb 20, 2018, 14:52 #107246

    No way were Citeh unfortunate last night. They lacked a cutting edge, well iffy at the back and had no plan B other than to pass Wigan to death. We can turn that mob over again this Sunday no problem.

  39. Yes its Ron

    Feb 20, 2018, 14:06 #107244

    Hi Marky - its gut feelings isnt it with our predictions. We could well lose as you say. Im thinking Wengers due to win the LC before he bows out though and make up his domestic collection plus Man C traditionally dont do very well v Arsenal. Theyre very much like Wengers best sides and we all know his best teams had a certain brittleness to them as do Man C in my view. The Man C thing may well be unravelling in front of us as we speak in true and tried AFC style this last 10 years!!! Lets hope so. Personally im sick to death of the whole charade of everybody kissing Guardiola's backside. It was good to see the Wigan coach telling him exactly what he thought of his last night. PG will probably write another letter to the FA demanding homage, fealty and due worship from all lower league ooaches now so to protect the most 'gifted' coaches. Hes so far up himself its unreal.

  40. markymark

    Feb 20, 2018, 13:35 #107242

    Yes it’s Ron - hope your right I’m unfortunately going for City win based on Wigan exit and our very good record at Wembley . It feels like we must get defeated in a final at some point soon. I agree that City aren’t quite the all conquering hero’s they also remind me s lot of Wenger’s sides when Wenger was at his pomp

  41. Yes its Ron

    Feb 20, 2018, 12:49 #107241

    Chelsea aren't in London at the week end, theyre away. Even the fixture men got that right when they fixed the league cup final date.

  42. Yes its Ron

    Feb 20, 2018, 12:21 #107240

    City unfortunate? Really? Wigan are leg 1 you know! I reckon Arsenal will turn Man C over actually. 2-1. Are Man C really the new irresistible force? The hype says so, but im not so sure. Aguero and De Bryne aside, (Sane s good on his day). Their nothing fantastic. Beatable for sure. Its up to Arsenal not to crumble mentally.