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Online Ed: Arsènal do little to warm Gooners in a less than half-full stadium v Manchester City



We’ve been here before…


Often there is a period in Arsènal’s season, in February / March when the team have a sequence of bad results that signals the end of their interest in two or three competitions. If we imagine their interest in the Premier League this season is to get back into the top four, defeat on Sunday at Brighton might make that realistically too big a target now. The Carabao Cup saw a losing appearance in the final, and next week might see the third Thursday in a row in which Arsènal suffer defeat. I’d wager decent money that’s never happened before. A bad defeat in Milan could make the second leg of that Europa league tie academic and another very low attendance at the Emirates.

Last night, approximately 25,000 – 28,000 brave souls turned up at the stadium. Certainly, the weather was a factor, but long before the snow hit, people were trying to shift their tickets. I’d estimate that maybe 40,000 would have turned up if the weather was not so bad, which for a game of this nature against top opposition says a lot. The club failed to sell out (hence the official attendance figure of 58,000 odd) and the match never went to ticket exchange for season ticket holders to try and get rid of their unwanted seats. Interestingly, in spite of the weather, City fans managed to fill their section. If the game actually mattered, there might have been two or three thousand fans that couldn’t make it because of the weather.

Arsènal, being at home, played a more attacking formation, with Mkhitaryan, Koscielny and Welbeck replacing Chambers and the injured Monreal and Wilshere. City demonstrated more skill and far more intensity than their hosts, and the goals, although very good, exposed the lack of determination in the Arsènal side to compete. City don’t need too much space and time to score goals, and Wenger’s team presented them with enough. It was ironic that Arsenal were put in their place by a team playing the kind of incisive attacking football the Gunners’ manager aspires to. This was how to do it properly.

3-0 down before the interval, there was some disquiet amongst the home fans. But the overwhelming emotion was apathy. And personally, a sense of amusement. Because it is comical these days, on the basis that if you did not laugh you’d cry. Arsene Wenger has achieved something pretty phenomenal in regards to my support of this football club. I’ve stopped caring now. Defeats? So what? We’re just marking time now. It doesn’t hurt like it used to, say, in February of 2008 when we dropped two points at Birmingham and you could tell the players were psychologically shot. The club is on a gradual decline. As the manager himself apparently said in the post match conference, “You go up by the lift and you go down by the stairs.” He followed this by saying, “We go through a difficult patch”. But in terms of seasons, this is not a patch. This is the norm now, only, in terms of the gap between Arsènal and the teams above them, it’s gradually widening.

Before the interval, I received a text message from Gooner contributor Marcia Milnes and season ticket holder, one of a large number of supporters who decided to give this game a miss, which read “More goals than bums on seats”. I had to chuckle. She followed by asking what I thought the actual attendance was. “Less than 30,000”, I responded. She came back with “Goals?”. It could have been a cricket score, but I knew before the teams came out for the second half that Guardiola would have told his players to ease off. In the press conference afterwards, Arsene Wenger said, “We dominated well in the first 20 minutes of the second half”. That was because his opposite number had too much personal respect for him to rub it in. City could have doubled their lead if they’d had a mind to.

At half-time I bumped into Tim Stillman, and he had an interesting thing to say about leadership during matches in the modern game. The old-style captain on the pitch was the player that ensured the manager’s instructions were carried out by his colleagues, and even made in-game tweaks as required – the Tony Adams / John Terry type. Nowadays, with the arguable exception of Vincent Kompany, the top six sides generally have quiet types as skipper who largely get on with their own game. Hugo Lloris, Jordan Henderson, Laurent Koscielny, Antonio Valencia. The in-game leadership is coming from the technical area far more now. Managers are far more pro-active. Klopp, Mourinho, Guardiola, Pochettino, Conte. Kicking every ball, passing frequent messages to players during stops in play. Arsène is the exception. Sitting on his heated dug-out seat waiting for his players to express themselves and let events unfold without his influence. And it’s not as if the players are especially prepared for their opponents. The left-footed Bernado Silva played up against Kolasinac on City’s right side and Kolasinac showed him onto his stronger foot for the first goal.

Really, this doesn’t require too many more words or analysis. Everybody knows where the club is heading and it’s almost a certainty now that Arsene will go in the summer, sacked ignominiously, unless he has the humility to understand the game’s up and he cannot turn it around. In that case he should either resign as soon as possible (if he really cares that much about the club, he should have done that years ago) or announce he is going at the end of the season. He isn’t going to win the Europa League and hopes of making the top four are looking very slim with every passing defeat.

The elements were not kind to Arsene yesterday, and when the snow fell in the second half, it took me back to 2006 and Paris, and the sight of Wenger getting absolutely drenched as his ten man team were finally overcome in the Champions League final, and the heavens opened for a few minutes, with him ending up looking like a drowned rat. He faced similar at Wembley recently when Arsènal played Spurs.

His lack of ability to do tactics and motivate players was less of a handicap in his early days at the club, because of the players he inherited and the quality of the ones he signed. Now, this is very much his team, there is no influence from the past anymore. And his eye in the transfer market is not what it used to be. So Leroy Sane was bought by City from the Bundesliga in the summer of 2016 for £37 million, whilst Arsènal picked up Granit Xhaka for a couple of million less from the same league. The arrival of Sven Mislintat to take over the identification of player talent will at least allow Arsènal to buy better players, but equally key is what happens when they arrive at the club. Players improve under good coaches, as Sane stated last night after the game.

It’s interesting to note that Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is really starting to find his feet at Liverpool. He told someone recently that the training and coaching he was getting under Jurgen Klopp’s regime were a world away from London Colney, and that his game was benefitting on the pitch as a result. One imagines that young players who developed under Wenger may actually have improved because the real instruction they were getting was from players who had learned their trade before being managed by Wenger – the likes of Bergkamp, Adams and Keown. Once the Invincibles broke up the ‘older’ heads tended to be those who had not experienced as much coaching elsewhere. So ultimately, the standard has dropped and less young players actually get any better, and in some cases become worse.

It seems a matter of when rather than if a very proud and obstinate man will end his tenure at the club in this horrible atmosphere of total apathy on and off the pitch. But for the good of the club, the board need to realise it would be better, assuming Carlo Ancelotti is the man to take over, to give him the remaining matches of this season and start the recovery process as soon as possible. Arsene created history, but he’s now history himself. No-one thinks he is going to turn this around any more. The best anyone can hope for is that he can make a dignified exit. But he’s too stubborn, to proud to fall on his own sword. So we drag this out until the board or the majority owner have the balls to take action, and re-inject some enthusiasm into the very stale and unappetising state of affairs they have allowed to develop by indulging one man for far too long.

Ivan Gazidis, May 31st 2017: “When you look at the world of football, and you think about the great candidates that there are, you don’t find any better candidates than Arsene Wenger.”

I mean, seriously?

Attending Arsènal matches at the moment is akin to visiting a sick relative in their final days in hospital. You know it’s going to end soon, and a bit of you would like to see everyone’s suffering end. Why delay the inevitable?

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  1. markymark

    Mar 05, 2018, 5:43 #107693

    ToOaW - hopefully the potato juice binge efffects are wearing off by now. Just a quick question . The Ox now has 4 goals and 5 assists. You crowed about him going. Why has he suddenly got so much better?

  2. David1

    Mar 04, 2018, 23:40 #107692

    Let's say the new guy comes in, wins a couple of titles and the CL in the next three years...Can't imagaine it? Neither can I. The last ten years have shown the depressing reality that the board aren't overly concerned about winning the PL, let alone the CL. Wenger has been passed it for the last 10 years, but it's the board who kept him on. What kind of idiot would walk away from an £8 million salary?

  3. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 23:07 #107691

    markymark, god knows what state he's in at the minute mate stuck on waltons mountain, he's bad at the best of times but must be completely in coherent now. Wenger out now.

  4. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 22:47 #107690

    Obviously being such a wenger fan it's all getting to toady too, he's having a breakdown also, tee hee. wenger out now.

  5. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 22:23 #107689

    ToOaW - go meet Badarse he gave you an award. Me I not like you . Why would I meet someone I don’t like.? Remember ToOaW your real friends are not on the Internet. Go find some.

  6. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 04, 2018, 22:15 #107688

    tooey - you made the offer now you're backing off. Not very brave. Where are you gonna be tomorrow evening so we can have our conversation? Sh*t up or shut up time.

  7. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 22:15 #107687

    MAF, yes reminds us of Cantona lol, completely lost the plot now, completely gone, time for a good psychiatrist (or two) now, i'm sure they have plenty of them back in France. We want wenger wenger out.

  8. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 21:53 #107686

    Bard, yes we all remember the Gulf war and comical ally telling the world Saddam was winning as the American troops rolled in behind him, or a horror movie I once seen (very apt) where this dude was declaring he was going to live for ever as the grim reaper stood behind him grinning (again very apt) scythe swung back ready to strike. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  9. TOOAW

    Mar 04, 2018, 21:50 #107685

    Gutless it is then.

  10. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 04, 2018, 21:34 #107684

    Tooey - By happy coincidence, I'll be in London tomorrow at an xhibition of dangerous weapons. Tell me where you'll be at 7pm and I'll make sure we meet up after I've replenished my own personal arsenal. You'll be the one standing on your own sipping a babycham in a cockerel jockey's uniform. Mace or cross bow - bring your own apple? By the way "pithy" is a good adjective meaning expressive or well put. Unless you're err talking about oranges in which case it means they have a lot of that white stuff around them. Try using a dictionary next time you want to insult somebody - it'll helps in your case. Failing that, try reading something now and then. It's about now you start calling me a sheepshagger cos I live in Wales. If you come on here and use blowhard violent language because you cannot win arguments, maybe you need to "do a Badarse". Hard man you ain't...

  11. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 21:16 #107683

    Oh God ToOaW you trying to get people to meet you in pubs / park bench again! just like your disturbed pal Colesey . Arseneknewbest lives in Wales why is he going to travel 100’s of miles to meet you? I live I’d guess a lot nearer but it ain’t going to happen. Rule number 1 never meet a swivelled eyed internet loon in real life. What would I tell the police if you stuck some carving knife in me. I’d look a right idiot. It takes me a week like most busy people to meet up with my mates. It takes me roughly a month to meet up sociably with work colleagues. I get to see extended family quarterly . There is simply no space in my life to meet up with a wretched drunken fool. All I’d get out of it ( if I wasn’t stabbed with kitchen scissors ) is Wenger must stay , Wenger must stay like some automon until you drank too many Carlings and probably pissed your pants. Your desperation to meet up with internet strangers suggests a lonely life. Sorry pal No can do. If AKB wants to meet you he’s a better man than me.

  12. TOOAW

    Mar 04, 2018, 20:26 #107682

    Markymark. Show some bottle and I'll meet you any game, home/away. Bring your gutless pithy associate AKB . Discuss... Yes or No.

  13. John F

    Mar 04, 2018, 19:47 #107681

    Just where is the board?According to tie a yellow ribbon site not one of them went to Brighton today.They should at least release a statement about the current situation.Apt that Wenger talked about being naked as he has been compared too malesthe Emperor with no clothes.

  14. Aylesbury Gooner

    Mar 04, 2018, 19:37 #107680

    MAF,Could not believe the rubbish he was coming out with and like you say has completely lost it.Resign now you arrogant old fool.WENGER OUT OUT OUT EIE

  15. MAF

    Mar 04, 2018, 19:25 #107679

    Wenger just said this: “When you have just the trousers on it’s easy to take the trousers off as well. But when you are naked completely you have to find the shirt to try to put it on again and dress normal again.” The man has completely lost it and needs to be removed from the building quickly.

  16. Goonhogday

    Mar 04, 2018, 19:08 #107678

    Paulward - Apparently 89/90 season was the last time Arsenal had such a poor away record (according to todays bbc match report).

  17. Paulward

    Mar 04, 2018, 18:44 #107677

    It was interesting that Martin Keown mentioned the Terry Neil/ Don Howe dark days of the mid eighties because I remember them well. A venerable club floundering around , looking, no desperate for new direction . Thanks to one G Graham, aswell as messrs Rocastle, Adams , Thomas and Davis we dug ourselves out of a big hole . We need to do that again.

  18. Bard

    Mar 04, 2018, 18:33 #107676

    Will someone put him out of his misery. Its becoming embarrassing. He is still banging on about turning it around, its become sad to watch him disintegrate in front of our eyes. The board need to tell him 'hand in your resignation or you get sacked'. There is no upside to him staying on. The first half was a disaster, Brighton could have been 4/5 up.

  19. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 18:24 #107675

    Remember the seat you sit in ? tee hee, George Graham couldn't live with my messiah ? Ho ho, they keep coming in the dying breath, the charge of the light brigade lol, and last of all ? the demos never ruffled a feather ha ha, a sure sign he thinks they did, loving it. You really couldn't make it up. The end is nigh, the end is near i did it my way. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  20. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 18:10 #107674

    ToOaW - I really don’t know why you bother , you almost made an admission then. I bet you wanted to repeat that Wenger comment 14 times for emphasis and then even your dull mind realised you’d only be emphasising his falling away. As MBG says of course they’ll dress it up as his decision , if that little folk tale makes you feel better then good for you. Make no mistake the net is tightening , the aways are calling for his head. Josh wants him gone and a stay of execution from Stan is only going to happen once. Your time is coming to an end, there is nothing for you post Wenger, you have nothing in common with 95% of the supporters, you are a Spud Troll. Ps George Graham at Spurs even managed to win a trophy with them. He was a winner through and through and could win in Europe unlike your false Messiah. This is the truth that you need to understand.

  21. Goonhogday

    Mar 04, 2018, 17:59 #107673

    Conte is doing his best to get sacked. Ancelotti is probably chatting to Abramovich as I write. Meanwhile, in planet KSE zzzzzz. Wenger out

  22. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 17:59 #107672

    Hee hee, poor old toady, (what ever way wenger decides to go will be his decision and no one elses, lol, Custers last stand) he can see the dam bursting now, the water coming out, he's had to go out and buy wellies lol,(with all the other AKB's)he/they know what's coming, love it. You couldn't make it up. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  23. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 04, 2018, 17:52 #107671

    Of the last three messages posted on here, only mbg's talks any sense. Still, I didn't bother reading the other two of course.

  24. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 17:43 #107670

    The old fraud sitting in the dugout clueless, head bowed, nothing left, as his little pansie nice boys ran about like blind mice. Would somebody please put this sick old man out of our misery. wenger out tonight.

  25. TOOAW

    Mar 04, 2018, 17:13 #107669

    Nark. I thought the dam burst last season. And the season before and the season before and the season before and the season before and the season before and the season before etc.

  26. TOOAW

    Mar 04, 2018, 16:47 #107668

    Whatever exit Arsene decides it will be his decision and no one else's. Just bear in mind that the demos never ruffled a feather. George Graham couldn't live with Arsene. The facts and figures are there for all to see. Arsene has done more for my club than any other manager... Probably put together. When he leaves and we go on to win league titles, FA cups which Arseknobeast decides to wipe out of our history... Remember the seat you sit in. The stadia you have. Anyway. Shall I support, attend, protest or boycott scruff???

  27. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 16:44 #107667

    Well everyone the aways were singing Wenger out according to the Guardian so the damn has burst. What do we want MBG!!

  28. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 16:35 #107666

    ArseneKnewBest, markymark, yes lads it must be so hard for the AKB wengerites wenger fans now, hee hee, who support the manager more than/not the club, nowhere to turn now, they've nothing left, what are they going to do (I have suggestions but it's a family site, proper Arsenal family too) where are they going to go, who are they going to support ? wenger ? Does their messiah give a fook about them ? Does he fook, and never did, do we want them back ? proper Arsenal fans ? do we fook, putting an arrogant egoistic past it manager before the club, (like TOF they'll/ or the part they played in this will never be forgiven or forgotten either, hopefully they'll all piss off with the weasel never to be heard off again. wenger and his fans out.

  29. Paulward

    Mar 04, 2018, 16:28 #107665

    Goonhog: That’s the long and the short of it, I go back to the late 70s and would be surprised if we’ve ever been this poor on the road. As I say thank heavens we’ve enough points to at least stay up , give Wenger another year however and he may do a Brian Clough. Can’t happen? On the evidence of last 4 games I disagree

  30. Goonhogday

    Mar 04, 2018, 16:15 #107664

    LLLDWDDWLWLDLLL - Just a reminder of our Premier League away record this season. Wenger out.

  31. Paulward

    Mar 04, 2018, 16:05 #107663

    Tooaw :What is your favoured exit strategy for him? Anounce his departure now and at least ensure a dignified retreat , or say nothing and face the reallity that a meaningless fixture v Burnley on May 5 in front of a half empty Emirates will be his unheralded goodbye. Or let him stay for a another farewell season( bottom half finish)

  32. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:59 #107662

    Brian Badarse - I know by the end part of your tenure you’d basically lost it. But ToOaW’s last posting has to be a serious embarrassment to you? I mean you said he was Arsenal Supporter of the year. He’s got no understanding of our history and once again many of us feel he’s a Tottenham Troll. How could you be so gullible? You became seriously unglued with your love of Wenger. Your now reaping the whirlwind and good luck with that. It’s probably better you put your whole sorry episode in a drawer somewhere and draw some comfort that Arsenal will renew under a more capable manager

  33. Paulward

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:48 #107661

    RIP Wengers Arsenal. Thank the lord we’ve got 40 points on the board if you ask me, couldn’t beat the local under 11s at the moment. If you’re going to Milan on Thursday night you have my deepest sympathy, we will be taken to the cleaners. If this man is in charge next term we will be in a relegation scrap, simple as. Mr Kroenke the time has come to do your job.

  34. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:47 #107660

    Another embarrassment another new low, and there's those who have the f*****g bare faced cheek to come on here and say/suggest this past it, useless, excuse for a manager should have/deserves a grand send off treated like royalty or whatever ? Not a f*****g chance there's only one way this old parasite deserves to go. Go now wenger you waste of fresh air. We want wenger out tonight.

  35. John F

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:44 #107659

    We used to fight for the title,then the top four now we are fighting Burnley for 6th.Surely he has got to go now.Brighton, West Brom,Swansea,Stoke,Watford, Bournemouth all teams we have failed to beat all relegation candidate s. Disgraceful

  36. Alsace

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:42 #107658

    A Stadium whose capacity is 60,000 up from 38000 yet not reaching 38000 attendances. A team who now, thank goodness appear willing to abandon him, and an owner 5000 miles away with money to burn. How can we bring the pain to his door? Everybody keep doing what they are doing and even Mr Kroenke might wake up and smell the loss of money. In the meantime lets hope the strain tells on our enemy within and power collapses from that end. How wonderful it would be to end the season without him.

  37. Goonhogday

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:37 #107657

    Wow, I’m not surprised in the slightest but pathetic, truly pathetic. Just wish the boardroom would show some direction now and sack him. Wenger out

  38. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:36 #107656

    Yeah I went to Arsenal v Luton and saw the last of Gus Cesar. Nigel Winterburn picked himself up the following seasons and err we wonthe title the following year in probably the greatest title battle ever and probably the greatest televised game ever. So what’s your point ToOaW ? You’re embarrassing yourself , my god man your pathetic. I bet you didn’t even know about the 87’ or 89’ sandwiched either side. Your time is running out , you’ll have nothing to cling onto when Wengo goes ( it could be as early as 3 weeks ). Trot back up to Edmonton and have a cuddle with your Spud mates.

  39. BigDaveTheGooner

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:30 #107655

    Wenger out tonight, simple!!!! There's nothing left to say, no excuses, he's used them all up, Bye!!!!!

  40. Up For Grabs Now

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:28 #107654

    That’s now four defeats on the bounce, is that yet another new low set by Wenger? Just keep them coming as far as I am concerned, to help rid the club of him, that’s all that matters right now. AC Milan do your job on Thursday, to make it five games on the bounce, hopefully forcing our board into finally doing their job, which should have been done a decade ago! Although even now I doubt that spineless bunch would get rid of Wenger, as they are still too busy with their snouts in the gravy train trough, to do anything other than feed on the easy money for themselves, at the clubs footballing status expense.

  41. TonyEvans

    Mar 04, 2018, 15:27 #107653

    Just what the doctor ordered! Please God get us dumped out of the Europa now, and then surely there is no way back for Wenger.

  42. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 14:50 #107652

    markymark, the last croak from toady just proves (if any proof was needed)he's a spud, Sad person. wenger out tonight.

  43. mbg

    Mar 04, 2018, 14:39 #107651

    Regardless the outcome regardless the score, wenger the weasel out the door. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  44. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 04, 2018, 14:37 #107650

    Is that your riposte Tooey? Seriously? Ask yourself what we did 12 months earlier and 12 months later and I think even a thicko like you will understand what gg did for the Arsenal. We were also a wealthyish club then but by no means able to compete financially with the bigger clubs in England at that time, let alone Europe. Showing your utter ignorance of Arsenal prewengo again. Your mate is now 2-1 down to Brighton. I bet you're loving it really. Good to hear the gooners giving it to the old b*stardom with both barrels.

  45. TOOAW

    Mar 04, 2018, 14:05 #107649

    hee hee hee. Aaahh. The love of George Graham eh AkB (and we all know what the'B'stands for) just remind me how we did against Luton in the Mickey mouse cup under invincible George in 88. Legendary stuff.

  46. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 11:37 #107648

    Oh how ironic ToOaW - as Arseneknewbest kindly pointed out your talk of history is on shaky ground when you know no Arsenal history. That’s why you disappear when anything non Wengo is discussed. I see Wengo is bringing his boys up well seeing that Ashley Maitland Nile’s is letting his mum sleep in a metal crate ! Nice Socialist principles working their from the supreme leader. Notice ToOaW that we don’t have to say too much about Wengo anymore now the papers have finally declared open season. Clocks ticking on you ToOaW , nowhere to go post Wengo, no scrap to support. Your fear of change is palpable . You are losing , your reason for support will be smashed . Their is only one journey for you and that’s back to your Spurs mates.

  47. 1971 Gooner

    Mar 04, 2018, 11:11 #107647

    I have supported The Arsenal through thick, thin and thinner for nearly so years. When my good lady wife suggested going out for Sunday lunch in our local pub today I very briefly considered we are playing at 1:30 today. Like many, I pay through the nose every month for the privilege of televised football. Such is my current level of Wenger-induced disenfranchisement with our great club that the roast beef wins hands down. I can't yet bring myself to want us to lose a game as a means of hastening Wenger's departure, but I'm not far away now.

  48. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 04, 2018, 10:53 #107646

    Cor blimey tooey - you're being extra thick today aren'tcha? (Want me to speak in chasndavese all the time so your poor little N17 brain can understand?) You - and you alone - can only talk about Arsenal in the wengo era because that's all your lazy little spud head is willing to research in an effort to troll people on here. Going back to when GG was manager (or TN or BM which is about as far as I stretch) is beyond you because it takes too much brain power. In essence, for you to accuse someone like me of attempting to erase the club's history is just plain wrong. Relative to others, we were much bigger force in English football at the end of GG's tenure than we are now (right now - not during the first half of Wengo's rein of course when th squad he inherited were ruling the roost). But why am I talking about Arsenal's past with you because you know nothing about it and care even less given your lilywhite sympathies. And when Wengo fecks off and you have no ammunition with which to wind people up on here you'll have neither an understanding nor a willingness to come on here as the future suddenly brightens and you and your spuddy mates revert to being the best team in Edmonton. Alternatively, get out the books this afternoon while Arsenal are hopefully losing to Brighton and write something on here about Arsenal pre-wengo. Nah, thought not.

  49. TOOAW

    Mar 04, 2018, 9:58 #107645

    You've nailed it Scruffy Nark. " My Support" .....that is what you are supposed to do when you follow the red and white.... SUPPORT. Take note Akb. Wiping out the history of the club is clearly disturbing.

  50. Up For Grabs Now

    Mar 04, 2018, 9:52 #107644

    @GoonerRon Sorry but I have to disagree with your view about Wenger. The man has lost all respect by clinging on and thinking he is Arsenal. He is not and never will be, personally I can only ever think of him in the future with utter contempt and yes hatred at what he has done to our club this last decade or so!

  51. markymark

    Mar 04, 2018, 0:05 #107643

    Glad to see Tim Payton in the Mail tell it like it is. Toad your attempt to defend Wenger is pathetic, no argument offered.Your support is pathetic.The clock is ticking Sunshine.

  52. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 23:23 #107642

    Word has it during the lock in the other night after the City game and the latest embarrassment TOF was spouting your all fighting for your futures, (in other words his)who the f**k is going to sack them, him ? lol, way too late on both counts. You couldn't make it up. Wenger out now.

  53. markymark

    Mar 03, 2018, 23:17 #107641

    Glenn Hoddle in the Mail who knew Wenger well has said “Go!” Virtually all the ex player interviews are the same. I wouldn’t be too surprised if it’s by agreement. If you’d been good under him and wanted to give a response , a unified response is a probably best way to do it. Only possible issue is the Mail are insisting Low is favourite. Toad - it’s a desperate time for you sunshine. For the rest of us it’s massively exciting , change is coming and your time is running out

  54. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 03, 2018, 22:52 #107640

    But Tooey you need to realise that my opinions count for more than yours because I'm an Arsenal fan. If this were a spuds site or one that offered creepy hagiographies of failed Arsenal managers by trolling spurs fans, then your opinions would rightly take precedence over mine. Simple enough for you?

  55. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 22:49 #107639

    As for that other ego maniac Karen Brady who everything is also me, mine, I, my, we all know you'd love to wake up on a deserted desert island with wenger (although i'd bet when you got to know TOF you'd soon change your mind) you have enough problems with the club your involved with now so keep your big hooter out of our business. We want wenger out now.

  56. Paulward

    Mar 03, 2018, 22:37 #107638

    Agree with Hi berry, his failure to win a Cl will always mean he’ll be remembered as a good manager not a great one. He could easily have lifted the Pl three years running but we blew it in 02/03, and the 04 Cl loss to Chelsea cost us our best chance of winning it. Nowadays of course he is not even a good manager, and as he sees us fall 13 points behind Tottenham today let’s hope he’s preparing himself to step down.

  57. Hi Berry

    Mar 03, 2018, 22:28 #107637

    I think the saddest and most frustrating part of this sorry saga is the way that the team, the club and everything associated with it were on the cusp of greatness which just dissipated into thin air. No matter what your take is on Wenger you cannot deny that he was in the right place at the right time when he came to Arsenal and tapped into that golden generation of french players which, allied with THAT defence, created a style of football that those of us who watched Arsenal through the seventies and much of the eighties would only have dreamt of all those years ago. No matter what you think of him now, and I, like many on here have wanted him gone for many a year, you cannot re-write history and deny the sublime football that the team played during that first decade; nor can you deny that after the GG famous back four retired that he built a sound defence with the likes of Campbell, Lauren Toure and Cole and potent attacks plucking gems like Pires, Henry and Anelka out of thin air. Wenger's achilles heel has always been his inability to recognise the need to effectively replace Viera and Gilberto to protect the defence. For a while we were without a doubt the best team in Europe -in the main due to Wenger - although you could just as easily argue that for that marvellous team not to lift the CL trophy was unforgivable. 2004/5/6 we had everything in place to go on and dominate the domestic game and the hardest pill to swallow has been the inability to build on what we had and to watch it slowly ebb away season after season to the sad situation in which we now find ourselves.

  58. TOOAW

    Mar 03, 2018, 22:10 #107636

    Arseknobeast. "Failure for the past decade" clearly happy to rewrite The arsenal history so it suits his negative agenda. Things may have slipped a tad but ignoring silverware and trophies says it all. Desperate times for desperate people.

  59. markymark

    Mar 03, 2018, 21:58 #107635

    Arsenalknewbest - I’m hearing it’s Laurent Koscielny.

  60. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 03, 2018, 21:21 #107634

    Of course he's blown any right to a positive legacy. His departure will reunite warring factions of gooners and the mood will be so transformed that we'll all be too busy celebrating to be dwelling on his failures. After all, failure has been a recurring theme for the past decade or so. Expect Tooey and badarse to be calling for the new guy's head after the first setback (and for wengo to be brought out of cryogenic suspension). Any guesses who the player was that was close to tears during that meeting reported by Hitler? My money would be on Cech.

  61. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 20:34 #107633

    If that were to come about (and I think there'd be to much objection to it anyway especially now he's lost not only the dressing room but the board) it'd be sickening it really would, being treated like f*****g royalty, rewarded for failure all over again, after everything he's already done, caused ? humiliations, embarrassments, taken us backwards, all those sackable offences and everything else that went with them over the last fourteen years the list is endless. I'll tell you what would be the most worrying thing if it did would be if the specialist in failure were to suddenly think in his warped mind that with these wenger days, singing, bowing, and f*****g praising his failures all the wengerites (and others) suddenly loved him again, and everyone thought he was the messiah that they wanted him to stay on and he'd change his mind (and how some would love that)and do just that, Jesus H it doesn't bear thinking about. No go the way he deserves to go with his tail between his legs branded a failure. We want wenger out.

  62. Alsace

    Mar 03, 2018, 20:16 #107632

    Gooner Ron's views are typical of people who, weighing up all the evidence, still cannot conclude that Wenger overall has been a credit to the enemies of Arsenal Football Club. I apply a simple test. What would Chapman, Whittaker, Howe and Graham have made of him? They would have got Alex Forbes and Leslie Compton to throw him out of the building ten years ago. Who cares what his apologists think. We were and are in the right. If God is good someone will buy the club who will airbrush the Fteduridiot out of the club's history. Ron has literally no idea how much we hate the man, and he won't ever understand. It doesn't matter. Ron is a decent person and is not our enemy. Wenger is now and always will be. We can respect Ferguson and Guardiola. Wenger has lost our respect forever.

  63. GoonerRon

    Mar 03, 2018, 20:15 #107631

    @ marky - he’s certainly not without fault, that is for sure. Much of what has happened has been driven by circumstances like moving stadium, the power struggle in the boardroom, our financial model and ultimately us being run in a slightly dysfunctional way. Wenger became the lightening rod for the board and that, plus the advent of social media and proliferation of televised games meant he was more in the firing line than ever. Much of what he said I’ve flat-out disagreed with but can sort of understand why he comes out on the offensive at times. I actually think the debate about Wenger will be quickly forgotten once he’s gone. They’ll be a brief period of reflection but the fog will lift, players will leave, players will come in, new contracts will be signed and everyone will have something fresh to get their teeth into.

  64. GoonerRon

    Mar 03, 2018, 19:50 #107630

    @ Bard - I’ve never been on Untold so must have been someone else trying to sort them out!

  65. Bard

    Mar 03, 2018, 19:44 #107629

    Gooneron was it you who tried to enlighten the luddites on Untold A ? Good on you mate if it was. You realise that Untold is the footballing equivalent of North Korea with Tony Atwood as Kim J. You will be banned for sedition. Good luck with that mate. I dont think there is a need to vilify Wenger. He has poured his life into Arsenal and ultimately been a victim of his obsession and delusion. Yes he has been paid a fortune but you dont get much sense that he able to enjoy it. He is floundering and someone needs to give him the word, its over.

  66. markymark

    Mar 03, 2018, 19:24 #107628

    Gooner Ron - the gripe over Wenger will be that he tried to change the narrative from Arsenal to Arsene. I would suggest that this was due to loss of corporate confidence with the stadium move during the financial crash . Wenger filled the vacuum. With Clough though Forest were a venerable solid club you can feel he took them to magnificent heights . He lost his touch just as TV money was changing the balance ( Leeds also were thrown during this period ) . Arsene has effectively said he is the club. Problem for the WOBS is that we feel Arsenal already was a magnificent club and the controlling power shift has conned the paying public. “I would finish 2nd for the next twenty years , 4th place is a trophy” this is Wenger controlling the message. Those older supporters might disagree but I think even Shankly accepted the club was bigger than him . I therefore feel that the next few years after his leaving will be a constant fight between rival reviews of his legacy . The result will be as now constant infighting . Wenger is a complex man who has ruined his legacy

  67. John F

    Mar 03, 2018, 19:19 #107627

    Unless there was a pre season agreement already in place that he is going at the end of the season, can you imagine Wenger accepting being told by the director s that he is considered to be no longer good enough but they are willing to give him a ten match send off.I can't,his ego would not allow it,he still thinks he is the one to turn it around and would consider it an insult.To be fair to him not many people would accept that in any job unless they were retiring.Going to work for ten weeks with everyone knowing that you have been sacked because you are considered to be ineffective would be humiliating.

  68. GoonerRon

    Mar 03, 2018, 19:00 #107626

    @ marky - of course, any of those years he could have gone but he never performed that (in italics) unequivocally badly to make being sacked an absolute inevitability. Top 4 finishes, cup finals, cup wins, always above the Spuds and a certain style of play meant we competed (granted, often on the periphery of the big prizes) but he did just enough in some seasons. Brian Clough took Forest down and they’ve never recovered from it but his highs were so ridiculously high that he is forever remembered fondly. Wenger’s highs weren’t quite at Forest’s level (but once in a century invincibles was a huge deal) but his lows across an entire season haven’t taken us anywhere near the turmoil (football-wise) that Clough brought on Forest. The other stuff - divided fan base, repetitive poor performances, indecisive transfers, putting himself before the club etc - it’s all relevant and will play a part in his eventual departure, but I don’t think history will remember much of it (I’m not saying it isn't important BTW) because an unbeaten season, 49 unbeaten, 2 doubles, record number of FA Cup wins are just far more likely to resonate in the record books.

  69. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 17:46 #107625

    GoonerRon, of course you would (you'll probably be in the first row of the concourse or town hall drying your tears sobbing) bully for you, Majority ?? if so which I very much doubt bully for them. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  70. markymark

    Mar 03, 2018, 17:36 #107624

    Gooner Ron - not so sure about your assertion. Definitely a game of two halves. My view is Wenger should have gone 2008, he could have then fulfilled a DOF position himself and been a living legend with individuals such as Pep doing his 3 year tour of Arsenal. Failing that 2011 would have been a good opportunity. Then after that has been escalating decline. The very last opportunity to save his reputation was last season. I’m afraid accusations of greed and personal issues putting himself above the club are now taking hold. Peter Hillwood has basically made a statement straight out of the WOB handbook. It amuses me that an imbecilic fool like Brian or Toad are now arguing against not just us but the ex Chairman and as Peter and Chips are old pals I’d say same view held by Chips. The view is now spoiled legacy. This is the likely story. It might be when we are all dead and gone and history takes the long view that maybe the last 12 years maybe forgotten but then maybe not .

  71. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 17:25 #107623

    So the Specialist in Failure is going to prioritise the Europa cup by resting players tomorrow ? LOL Oh how the mighty wenger has fallen, and it couldn't happen to a bigger failure. Go now you failure.

  72. GoonerRon

    Mar 03, 2018, 17:24 #107622

    @ mbg - whilst I’d say the majority of people (Arsenal supporters, other supporters, pundits etc) think the time for change is now, I also think the majority would also prefer a ‘good send off’ for him. You think the last 14 years have been a horror show but not everyone agrees with your wholly negative slant on everything to do with Wenger, and neither have they airbrushed the more successful portion of his tenure either. Whatever you say about him, in my opinion history will look back favourably on his time with us and that’s why the majority of people want to him to go without any acrimony.

  73. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 14:39 #107621

    According to Neil Ashton The Specialist in Failure has lost the support of the board, I don't disagree with that or announcing your/his departure now will lift the team and fans, but this crap that everyday after can be a wenger day (like DB had) a celebration of him, a ten game salute for him until the end of the season, not on your f*****g nelly (send us some of what your smoking Ashton) where did you pull that gem out off ? what makes you think he deserves that ffs ? after the last fourteen years of taking this club backwards and destroying it's heart and soul and traditions, and turning it into a laughing stock with humiliations after humiliations and embarrassments after embarrassment lies, spin, etc, etc, etc, please feel free to come on and tell us why you think he deserves a send off like that ? There's only one send off that old weasel deserves is(after robbing us of well over £100, million pounds in the last ten years alone to go with everything else mentioned) to have his skinny arse kicked out the door with no fan fare whatsoever like the specialist in failure he is. we want wenger out now.

  74. Big Andy

    Mar 03, 2018, 14:09 #107620

    Really interesting Guardian article. If it's true then Wenger is finished. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/02/arsenal-players-arsene-wenger-meeting

  75. Alsace

    Mar 03, 2018, 13:29 #107619

    The board will do nothing. Mr Kroenke very visibly made it clear to all the world that he esteemed them not, and in a fit of pique at public questioning of his wonderful judgment from five thousand miles away, dealt directly with the manager. Well I'm willing to bet that he will staff out the sacking to his son and Ivan. No matter, so long as he sees the empty stadiums and comes to sense. I am greatly enjoying everyone's discomfort who was on Wengers Side and who have now realised as some of us did a lifetime ago, that the man is an amateur unfit for the job. Zumba and Mugabe have been easier to get rid of.

  76. David1

    Mar 03, 2018, 13:21 #107618

    Markymark - That is a very good article in the Guardian. TOOAW - go and read it - it's a good read.

  77. mbg

    Mar 03, 2018, 13:21 #107617

    The end id nigh, the sooner the fooking better, go now you old has been. We want wenger out.

  78. GoonerRon

    Mar 03, 2018, 13:12 #107616

    That Guardian article, if true, is utterly astonishing. This could get very ugly, very quickly - maybe even one of the current players breaking ranks in a post-match interview is possibly is someone reaches tipping point after another defeat. Blimey, the board HAS to be manoeuvring in the background, surely.

  79. Rippy

    Mar 03, 2018, 10:05 #107615

    Wenger has lost the backing of dein & hillwood. Yes sure they aren’t involved anymore but they are arsenal men through and through with much more insider knolewdge than any of us . Wenger looks weak.. his players take the piss out of him. They where players in a night club on Saturday night before the final. Raheem sterling arranged it. I seriously think Wenger found out and was berating pep about it. How this story hasn’t broken I just don’t ****ing know !!

  80. TonyEvans

    Mar 03, 2018, 9:59 #107614

    Wenger is on the ropes now, which of course means so are Arsenal, and much as I would love to see Arsenal turn the season around and win the Europa or make a late winning dash for the top four I actually want the reverse to happen. Mark my words if either happens it will be seized upon by Wenger and his acolytes as carte blanche to see out the final year of his contract, and by our pathetic board as a good retason to keep the status quo. The proverbial foot is on the jugular now and there it must remain to force Wenger out. So come on Brighton let's keep the pressure right on.

  81. Radfordkennedy

    Mar 03, 2018, 9:54 #107613

    This is all starting to get out of hand now someone from the club has got to step in,apart from his obvious deterioration in his appearance and weight loss,its all starting to become a scene from 'Downfall',its all someone elses fault and now hes warning the players that their places are at stake if they dont perform,i honestly believe he's having some kind of breakdown,for God sake Arsenal give him the money he craves so much and send him home.

  82. John F

    Mar 03, 2018, 9:02 #107612

    Story's coming out of players asking for more help from the coaches,Hill wood now saying it is time for a change in management,as keV said the Ox stating the training is much better at Liverpool. What more evidence is needed. It strikes me that in an attempt to try and paint themselves as being positive, Akbs are actually being negative in supporting a regime that is holding the club back.Why do the Chavs and Spuds want Wenger to stay ,it is because they fear Arsenals potential.By supporting Wenger they are aligning themselves with the Spuds and Chavs.

  83. markymark

    Mar 03, 2018, 8:07 #107611

    Toad - who’s said? “victory through harmony". I think that victory through harmony can take a lot of meanings but, for me, victory through harmony comes through communication. 'I harp on about that through all our different teams - you've got to have open and honest dialogue about the reality of everything we're in because if we are sugar coating anything about ourselves, about our team, about our direction we're only kidding ourselves and we were going to be worse off for it in the long run.” It’s looking ominous for Wengo , Looks like you need to trail back up the Seven Sisters Road.

  84. mbg

    Mar 02, 2018, 23:13 #107610

    Hee hee ho ho it's the inter nets fault now if there none we wouldn't be able to say/type anything or complain, next it will be the Televisions, if there were none we wouldn't be able to see what was going on or happening o the pitch(games embarrassments, humiliations, etc)the wengerites would just love that, hee hee, poor toady still hanging on more to be pitied than laughed at. Go now wenger you bumbling old fool.

  85. markymark

    Mar 02, 2018, 22:23 #107609

    Poor old toad , Your still with Wenger - shame the players aren’t

  86. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 02, 2018, 22:08 #107608

    Of the latest three posts on here, Bigdabethegooner's is by FAR the most sensible. But then again, I didn't bother reading the other two...

  87. TOOAW

    Mar 02, 2018, 21:36 #107607

    And poor Old Klopp can't compete with the mega bucks of Man City he states in his press conference. ,3rd biggest spenders over the last 3 years and nowhere near a bit of silverware. He's the hero though. I'm with Arsene all the way. The grass is greener on the other side fellas if you care to take a look.

  88. BigDaveTheGooner

    Mar 02, 2018, 21:33 #107606

    TOOAW,we have never ever had to suffer a manager who dictates what happens at this football club,whenever we were dire the board decided when the manager was replaced not the manager. Wenger hasn't had the capacity to coach this team for the last 10 years at least,the flaws are there for everyone to see but he refuses to do anything about it,he questions fans opinions regarding his failures by saying we/they haven't spent any time at a club so do not know what they are talking about then when someone who has been in the game ,players managers or pundits alike he totally dismisses them and throws his toys out of the pram and sulks. If you continue to go and watch the utter dross that is served up by this Lilly livered squad and manager then your a bigger fool than I thought you are.Incidently what on earth has to happen before you actually grasp the fact that Wenger is no longer any good as a coach/manager,relegation?? Because for the life of me as far as I'm concerned your defending the indefensible and your making yourself look a total arse!!!!

  89. TOOAW

    Mar 02, 2018, 21:04 #107605

    In the glorious 130 or so years of the Arsenal. Glory days, mid table blues, bottom of the league scrapes... We've witnessed them all. Right through to the good old days of Arsene Wenger. Some very good. Some very bad. It's part and parcel of the History of Arsenal FC and supporting a club that hits the heart. We've been sh#t before and we will be sh#t again. What God given right do 'you' have to be 'the greatest' team year in year out. By all means check out the lot down the road, Mickey mousers et all. Ignorance and stupidity and the internet has made the Arsenal the laughing stock. Not Arsene Wenger. Let's all protest and gather thousands of fans against the regime and see it all come crashing down. You lot couldn't even fill a telephone box at times. Typically Arsenal. Poor old AKB, MUG, scruffy Nark do like to feel sorry for themselves. It's not about you fools. It's good to be a gooner ... Only if Gooners can show some balls and support A.F.C.

  90. markymark

    Mar 02, 2018, 20:57 #107604

    David Hytner article in the Guardian which is basically an internal leak. More evidence that the players have had enough. Makes very interesting reading

  91. BigDaveTheGooner

    Mar 02, 2018, 19:04 #107603

    If you need to know how bad things have got we are currently closer in points to Stoke who are second bottom than we are to Man City,Wenger is a disgrace and a charlatan of the highest order and as much as I love this once great club,if it meant Wenger being shown the door I would quiet gladly accept defeat in all of the remaining games. I just don't care any more,thanks Wenger!!!!

  92. TonyEvans

    Mar 02, 2018, 18:22 #107602

    We have been here before, but this time it really does feel like the beginning of the end. Wenger's final ignominious exit is tantalisingly close, but even so I am not allowing myself to get carried away. A lot can still happen between now and decision time, and as sure as eggs are eggs he ain't going to go quietly!

  93. mbg

    Mar 02, 2018, 17:37 #107600

    Your dead right Kev those little pansie bottlers knew the game was over/lost as they skulked down the tunnel behind their chief bottler at half time, even before they reached the dressing room to listen to him talk fluent Martian (that's if he said anything at all)City like on Sunday did all they had to do and no more, they eased off alright and just like Sunday had two or three more gears as our little second and third rate bottlers ran around clueless and devoid of ideas, as Mr clueless himself rocked back and forth on his chair rubbing his hooter and ringing his hands. Go now wenger you embarrassment.

  94. markymark

    Mar 02, 2018, 17:32 #107599

    Martin Keown ( who was the biggest Wenger apologist ) has made a very strong statement in the Metro that Wengo has lost the dressing room after sanctioning the sale of Giroud. Interesting , very interesting

  95. ipearce

    Mar 02, 2018, 17:22 #107598

    A well considered albeit too kind an article. The next two games could provide a watershed moment when the great dictator finally realizes the game is well and truly up!

  96. mbg

    Mar 02, 2018, 15:42 #107597

    David1, I think you'll find spurs fans have beaten us to it. wenger out now.

  97. mbg

    Mar 02, 2018, 15:18 #107596

    Up For Grabs, not to worry he's a skinny runt not a bit on him, a bag of bones so there's plenty of room and leeway for more weight yet. wenger out now.

  98. John F

    Mar 02, 2018, 15:04 #107595

    Gaz it is on the shortfuse.sbnation.com.I got it via Arsenalnewsnow clicked on directors on the left hand side.Sorry I am not very technical.

  99. mbg

    Mar 02, 2018, 15:01 #107594

    Is there really even any need now to talk about, point of discussing what formation (attacking, defensive, I know don't laugh, what position players play/played where subs etc, etc, etc, does it really make any difference anymore ? it doesn't matter one fooking iota and won't make a difference whatsoever who plays where or who comes on and replaces who things have got that bad now thanks to this arrogant old excuse for a manager. Go now wenger you sick old man.

  100. Gaz

    Mar 02, 2018, 14:53 #107593

    John F: You got a link to that article fella?

  101. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 02, 2018, 14:36 #107592

    I am absolutely seething that after yet another awful performance & Groundhog Day season for a massive, world renowned Club that the MSM are still largely rallying around the man responsible for our decline. There are no excuses left & yet MSM has the colossal cheek to slag off the Wenger Out Brigade - the very people who pay huge sums of money & make a huge emotional investment in a once proud Club. Are they not allowed to express their resentment at the way they have been treated for a decade or more? Arsenal's motto should be changed to "For The Many Not The Few" but under this regime it's more likely to be "For The Money Not The Many".

  102. David1

    Mar 02, 2018, 14:27 #107591

    I wouldn't rejoice too much...Not at least until Arsenal are out of the Europa League. The board will keep him on as long as gets Arsenal back into the CL. In the words of Princess Leia, it's not over yet.

  103. John F

    Mar 02, 2018, 14:26 #107590

    As Gaz said it was depressing hearing him going on about turning it around and not sounding like a man who is going to resign.The board are very quiet,normally when a manager is under pressure there is a statement from the chairman backing him not ours they are neither backing him or sacking him.Reading an article about Josh at Denver Nuggets today.They had a long term coach who was regularly getting into the playoffs and falling at the first hurdle.Wiggy jnr sacked him but said in hindsight he should of changed things behind the scenes before he did so.I am hoping that is what he is doing at Arsenal with the changes behind the scenes going on before giving Wenger a boot print on his Arse.

  104. mbg

    Mar 02, 2018, 14:21 #107589

    Here before Kev ? Have we ever been anywhere else thanks to this arrogant weasel of a manager, you have to laugh. Any Resignation yet ? wenger out now.

  105. markymark

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:48 #107588

    Brighton away is a toughie , they are going to be up for it

  106. FPGooner

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:48 #107587

    Both my father and grandfather were cricket fanatics and spoke to me of the ‘3Ws’, Walcott, Worrell and Weekes, three very talented cricketers from the 1950s. Fast forward 60, 70 years to less tropical climes, to the Emirates and we had our three, considerably less talented and far less admired three Ws, Walcott, Welbeck and Wenger. Fortunately, the former has gone - In my view, our biggest achievement of the season. Welbeck, still hangs on grimly to his self-proclaimed assertion, that he is a footballer, despite all evidence to the contrary. Finally, there is Wenger. To those of my fellow gooners who think that at the end of this season, he will say adieu and walk off with what’s left of his dignity - Not gonna happen. The only way he’s leaving is if someone in the Kroenke hierarchy puts an arm around our Specialist in Failure and says ‘Arse, mate, Not sure how we’ll manage without you, but starting Monday, we’re going to give it a go’. Even then, his bony fingers will need to be prised off his desk with screwdrivers. Louis Van Gaal was sacked 2 days after winning the FA cup for Manure. Wenger winning the FA cup was treated by AKBs and the board as nothing short of a stroke of genius. Now, mediocrity is our only aspiration. I can understand the corrupt crooks masquerading as Arsenal Board members wanting to preserve the status quo and continue to ride the gravy train and take home their undeserved annual bonuses. But, this is where i am bemused why any ‘fan’ of the club would want this charade to continue. Why do you want to cling to this pitiful excuse for a coach? I was called a Spuddie for voicing my disgust at Wenger, a few years ago. Then there was the ‘…be careful what you wish for’ from the scouse cretins, Redknapp and Owen. Now, we get pity, whether its pity from pundits such as Roy Keane or my friends, even my wife and kids. This ‘coach’ will never resign, not if we lost 8-2 to the Dagenham Girl pipers band. He will blame his players, the fans, the ref, the weather, quantitative easing, continental drift, anyone and anything. The only way anything will happen is if commercial sponsors start to cancel or not renew deals. This may only happen if there are demos inside the stadium. But, that is unlikely with the new breed of fan, only too glad to be there, smiling away taking selfies as we lose to a bunch of plumbers and electricians.

  107. Paulward

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:44 #107586

    Even in a whole season of them, last night was a low point. Looking at the opponents and kick off times for our remaining home games I can’t see more than 40, 000 attending any of them, Southampton on a Monday night anyone ? These financial hits are our best hope of getting rid of Wenger, as it unlikely that Kroenke is that perturbed by finishing 40 odd points off the leaders.

  108. David1

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:36 #107585

    Maybe we need St Arsene's Day: the day on which it becomes mathematically impossible for Arsenal to win the league.

  109. Goonhogday

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:35 #107584

    Ironically, it’s coming around to the Ides of March again! In fact, our Europa League 2nd leg at the Emirates is on 15 March too! Perhaps, this is the time and against Italian opposition too. Wenger out.

  110. Bard

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:33 #107583

    City were good last night but our lack of defensive nous made it a whole lot easier for them. As most of us here have been saying for a few seasons now he has brought this current demise on himself. His legacy such as it is is being shredded before his eyes. Every interview he more and more resembles the Pythons Black Knight. I agree Kev he needs to resign and let someone else assess where we are what we need but it promises to be bloody ending because he is both deluded and stubborn. He must have one mate who tells him how it is and what he needs to do.

  111. !No Pasaran!

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:23 #107582

    This editorial seems to encapsulate how I and many of my fellow fans feel. No point in trying to debate why we are in the position we are, the vast majority already know. What is common amongst us is the apathy that has been growing within many. I’ve had such a large part of my life invested in this club, seeing my first game in 1967. I was bitten I for a large part of my adult life, Arsenal came first. Pathetic? Maybe, but it’s all gone for me now. The last game I attended was 2009 V Wolves, and I’ve not been back since. I voted with my feet. I no longer care whether we win, lose, or draw. I do feel sad, and empathise with the fans that still care, still attend, but I won’t return until Wenger has gone.

  112. cameron326

    Mar 02, 2018, 13:17 #107581

    Go round the football forums and you’ll still find quite a few fans in favour of Wenger staying on. Interestingly, they’re all Tottenham, Chelsea and Utd fans (plus a few fans small clubs who dream of one day getting destroyed in a Carabao Cup final) imploring us to “be loyal”. At least for another couple of seasons! Please!

  113. peter wain

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:58 #107580

    yet another horrible game in a total horrid season. I wonder if Gazidis still supports his August email about us having a great window. We desperately need players at least eight and the sounds made between now and the season ticket renewal date will back that up but no one will actually be signed. I am still not convinced that Wenger will go so more of the same next year. The board are totally irrelevant and only exist because Stan needs them. That is all the function they serve so do not expect any movement from them. They are too concerned with the directors fees and Gazidis in his bonus to make a stand. Stan must go before meaningful change will occur. Wenger out now.

  114. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:55 #107579

    I'm surprised his post match excuses didn't include 'petro dollars', 'financial doping' and 'we played a little bit with the handbrake on'. With every game and every pathetic performance that passes we are sinking further and further into the abyss, and what for? Just to indulge one man and his ego! He needs to be sacked today and someone bought in to start breathing life into the corpse of our football club. Never mind the end of the season, I don't think we can afford to underestimate the damage being done to our club and that's why the change needs to be right now. Whatever the phrase is to describe something even worse than a laughable stock, that's what we have become thanks to kroenke's indulgence of this parasite. Any other club in the world would have sacked him years ago. To think of the managers we have missed out on (Guardiola, Allegri etc) and the successes that they might have bought us had the owner of this club had some balls and ambition beyond turning a profit, makes me sick to the stomach. I hate what has happened to our club beyond words. As so many people have said, the worst thing is they have turned so many loyal, die-hard supporters against their own club. It's a disgrace. Wenger OUT

  115. Gaz

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:41 #107578

    Problem is Kev he doesn't realise its over one bit and he's still clinging onto the forlorn hope that he can turn this around. You only have to watch last nights pathetic post match interview to see that. Sadly the Club will never sack him so we find ourselves in a ridiculous situation where everyone knows what needs to be done but nobody can do anything about it. What a mess.

  116. The Man From UNCLE

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:38 #107577

    Wasn't even born then, but I imagine last night was akin to the 1966 Leeds game - same score, and attendance of 4600 odd. Hopefully the long term outcome will be the same too.

  117. MAF

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:33 #107576

    i will Keep one Picture in mind to Keep me sane. First home match of the new Manager. the whole 61,000 crowd singing together in Support of their new man. All Standing up all singing, just to Show the world it can be this way at the emirates. its for the Club, Manager, Team to inject the energy and not just the crowd. Old Trafford is alot quieter the way Jose choses to Play. While Tottenham alot more noise as the Manager built a Team of feisty skillful hungry warriors. It can and will be same one day for all of us. I agree with Ian Wright. lets not go for an Ancelotti, lets go for a younger hungrier spunky Coach to bring back the Arsenal DNA

  118. Alsace

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:31 #107575

    In about what seems ten years ago I said that it would be death by a thousand cuts. I was an order of magnitude out. My oldest Arsenal supporting friend didn't go to the game. This individual is a member of the 92 club. A serial attender. He couldn't be bothered. Neither could I. We are just sitting, waiting for this miserable old curmudgeon to disappear so that we can have our club and our fun back. The grinch that stole Arsenal.

  119. Up For Grabs Now

    Mar 02, 2018, 12:27 #107574

    Perversely I now get greater pleasure from every Arsenal defeat like last nights, because each one in another nail in Wenger’s coffin, so I have had a good week - 3 defeats! The problem now though is that there is no longer any space left on his damned coffin to hammer any more nails into, and it weighs a couple of tons, with all those nails already in it! Someone with any footballing nous on the board (I know none to be found there!) should now throw the towel in for Wenger, as he is clearly incapable of saving himself from further humiliation/ridicule. With 10 Pl games remaining, and a max of 30 points on offer for Wenger’s Arsenal to win (Don’t laugh!), which is now the exact amount we are already behind Man City, this will mean by Sunday (Assuming Man C don’t lose, and even if they do, it would still require Wenger’s Arsenal to win at Brighton- a tall order under current form), it will be mathematically impossible for Arsenal to win the title (Again don’t laugh, we all knew this back in August anyway, that is August 2008, let alone the goal difference issue to make up, which currently stands at 50!). Will that be a new low record by calendar date i.e. 4th March? Another new low Wenger will have bestowed upon us in the PL era, of that I am certain. Other than the mid-70’s and early 80’s, I don’t personally recall us being that far adrift previously, which shows not only how good Man City are, but just how bad Wenger’s Arsenal currently are! Over to you Robert Exley, with the facts re our worst previous calendar date, it being mathematically impossible to win the title. In the meantime, come on Brighton & AC Milan, help to somehow find more space for additional nails into Wenger’s coffin, as he won’t do the honourable thing, he has no honour, we all know that, well apart from the likes of Graham Perry, Tony Atwood etc!