German Efficiency Comes Good

Online Ed: Arsenal beat Watford in front of another low turnout



German Efficiency Comes Good


It was a win fashioned in Germany, with goals from Mustafi (from an Ozil free-kick), and former Dortmund players Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan. It was a peek into an Arsenal future, where the most significant influence on the squad will be that of Sven Mislintat, the new head of scouting, himself from Dortmund.

It was a good open game, quite enjoyable given there was no tension involved. Arsenal are not going to finish below 7th and are highly unlikely to climb up to fourth. So the Europa League next season it is, barring victory in said competition this May in Lyon. That there was nothing on this game was reflected in the physical attendance, which I’d put around the 36,000 mark. This in spite of the win on Thursday night in Milan lifting Arsenal spirits. There is an argument that Mother’s Day impacted on attendance, but if so, it’s the first time I have ever heard that argument. Were Arsenal challenging for the title, I suspect the stayaways would have served mum breakfast in bed and managed to make the game… or take her out for an evening meal.

The reality is that this is apathy, and it doesn’t do the Arsenal brand any favours, even if you could make out the white cannon in the seats of the East Lower, so sparse was the occupancy there. Stoke, Southampton and West Ham will see a similar amount of no-shows, people cannot even give their seats away. I think we’ll see a near to full house for the Burnley match because there is a belief it will be Arsene Wenger’s final home match as Arsenal manager. We can only hope.

Milan on Thursday should see a better attendance, given the game has some genuine meaning unlike what are effectively Premier League friendlies being played by the Gunners at the moment. The players are relaxed now and can play their football without any stress. There are not going to be any pitch invasions or protests at the board in the style of West Ham. Arsenal fans make their point by simply not giving the club the time of day and leaving their paid for empty seat to do the talking for them. It’s an irony that the crowds for the last three home matches (Ostersunds, Man City and yesterday) could have fitted into the old Highbury Stadium in 2006 with its 38,500 capacity. It’s the modern day version of the 1966 match against Leeds that saw a crowd of under 5,000 and a bonfire on the North Bank. People are staying away in droves.

There is a plan to turn this around though. A Fan’s Forum meeting was held before the game yesterday and Ivan Gazidis pointedly refused to back the manager as he has done so often in the past. He opened the meeting by stating, “It wouldn’t be right for me to talk about the manager today, it wouldn’t be respectful to Arsene Wenger. I hope you understand.” If he was going to back the manager, that would have been respectful, no? So his decision not to address the subject stating respectfulness spoke volumes. Or maybe not. You can take it as a coded message if you wish to. Looking for a chink of light, that is exactly what your writer is doing, and the appointments of the aforementioned Mislintat and Raul Sanllehi (who also attended the forum alongside the CEO) certainly point to a Wenger-free Arsenal future. Apparently the appointment of Per Mertesacker to the head of the youth department was not a Wenger decision either. Given that is an appointment looking to the future, why would it be? Although his best playing days are well behind him now, Mertesacker is a good club man who does seem to ‘get’ Arsenal. So personality-wise, it is a good appointment. The fruit of his labours will determine his ability as a developer of players.

So back to the match, and yes, German-developed efficiency going forward produced the three goals that secured the win, although Ozil should also have been on the scoresheet. However, with a nod to Thursday, the watching Milan scout would have been encouraged by the number of decent opportunities Watford enjoyed in the first half, as well as the missed penalty at 2-0. On that note, those that did attend will have felt like they witnessed a moment of history akin to John Jensen scoring for Arsenal. Petr Cech saved a penalty! I wonder how many were present at both the Jensen game and yesterday’s? It was after all something like 23 years ago.

Arsene Wenger rested a few players ahead of Thursday – Ramsey, Bellerin and Koscielny all sat the game out, and Jack Wilshere was on the bench. I wonder if we might see three at the back against Milan, to ensure against away goals? There’s no question that up front the team are a weaker proposition without Aubameyang. Danny Welbeck is a hard worker, but he doesn’t score enough. Only one of yesterday’s goals did not have significant input from the number 14, although the team managed just fine without him in the San Siro. Mkhitaryan is certainly beginning to resemble the player so highly rated when at Dortmund, although in fairness he did contribute significantly to Manchester United’s Europa League campaign last season.

Troy Deeney was the pantomime villain and played his part by failing to score from the spot, but in truth, this result could have gone the other way, and Watford have a pretty decent record against Arsenal in recent seasons. No matter, it’s points that count and that is where this season has gone badly wrong. We should be thankful that at least the team are picking three up after a horrendous sequence. Will it re-instil confidence? Maybe, but things still look very fragile. You feel the team are a conceded goal away from the next crisis at the moment.

A word on a couple of the players that came in. Mohammed Elneny looked very tidy and seems a decent link man, although I’d like to see him under a different coach to see if he can become more dominant in the midfield. Ainsley Maitland-Niles had a very good game and is really progressing well. The club may well consider selling Hector Bellerin if they do need to raise funds to buy scouted targets, and it’s not inconceivable that AMN could be his replacement in the starting eleven.

In the short term though, Bellerin will surely start on Thursday if fit for selection, and this season is now all about the Europa League. Premier League matches will simply be used to keep players fresh assuming Arsenal do make the last eight. Let’s hope for a decent crowd for the second leg against Milan.

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  1. markymark

    Mar 14, 2018, 12:58 #107968

    Peter Wain - Your having a laugh man. Mourinho well past his best can still assemble a team to beat Wenger every time, every time. Were you away or something when they came down to the Emirates. The reason Mourinho looks so unhappy is he realises the magic is going and others are taking over. The reason Wenger looks so unhappy is he realises his gravy train is shunting to a halt. Big difference in outlook between a winning mentality and a mediocre performing manager

  2. peter wain

    Mar 14, 2018, 12:51 #107966

    having seen sanchez play like a complete drain again and again I am starting to think Wenger is not a bad coach compared to Mourinho

  3. markymark

    Mar 14, 2018, 10:34 #107965

    Blowhhard - I’ll kerp this short and sweet. I gave up on yours after line 4. The only gathering at White Hart Lane will be you , toad and the rest of the Wenger Boyz pleading to be let in after Ivan finally gets things in order and sends Wengo packing, pleez can we ave pretty football pleez Sir , we don’t mind losing all the time , we like being humiliated. 65 years an Arsenal Supporter? Quislings, fifth columnists the whole lot of you!

  4. Badarse

    Mar 14, 2018, 9:58 #107964

    An emergency WOR meeting was called at the phone box on the corner of White Hart Lane. The Motley crew arrived, shuffling towards the box like something out of 'The Walking Dead'. They went in trying not to get their bottoms too close to the suspended upside down figure of the Dark Lord. His eyes were closed and he had a sickly smile on his face, surreptitiously he occasionally licked his lips. AKB was able to lick his lips constantly, unnoticed, as his lower lip covered his nose. Nark was sitting crossed legged outside the box. His eyes were narrowed-like his head, (he always got the point), and try as he might he was unable to slurp, slobber and lick as he had in the past, he just frothed. equaliser meanwhile was trying to find the door handle on the wrong side of the box, periodically kicking it as he too frothed. Ronline Gooner was there with Peter Wain, SKG and Tony Evans his Ronettes. They were doing a medley of songs from The Sound of Music. Many old shoppers laughed at them so as he is by far the sharpest knife in the drawer Ronline whispered to his Ronettes and they switched into a medley of Chas and Dave hits. All the shoppers did funny dances down the street shouting 'Rabbit, Rabbit' and 'Gertcha' at intervals. Well Chas and Dave are like Opera to N17's inhabitants. The Eggman arrived on his green bike, he'd changed his socks, so proving that he was progressive. MAYDUP man never wore socks so triumphantly laughed at him; he marvelled at the feathers stuck to him. He was again in charge of the nosh. The choice was omelette, scrambled, boiled, poached or fried egg sarnies. Gaz had been elevated to the higher echelons of WOR notoriety and was attending for the first time and spent 5 minutes talking to a homeless chap who he took to be the WOR leader. Just then the corny old git arrived but before anyone could open the door he slithered underneath it, and the minutes were called to be read. Gaz had brought a clock to read them and began, 'One, two, three...' Then the agenda was asked for and as everyone present had a secret agenda the meeting broke down in chaos.

  5. Bard

    Mar 14, 2018, 9:26 #107963

    AK. I agree entirely its a fiction but its a powerful one. Outside of Arsenal Wenger is revered as a person of the highest integrity. With bankers its all smoke and mirrors as we are seeing with the Russian money. I think my argument still stands but I hope Im wrong.

  6. markymark

    Mar 14, 2018, 6:35 #107962

    OMG........ I fear the transformation coming on. Tooaw, lick , squirt , “ooh Brian”, lick , is becoming MOCKNEY MAN!!!!! .... “you ain’t lived son , come dahn my manor son, I’ll ave yer ears, put dahn the bottle son, Wenger’s hard son” ... aarrggghhh

  7. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 13, 2018, 23:26 #107961

    Too-riah Heap. I'm very very 'umble Mr Badarse. I'd do anyfink for you and Mister Wenger, my lords and betters. 'Kin 'ell Tooey you're not only a spurs fan but you're prepared to debase yourself again and again so you can figuratively fellate these two monsters on here whenever you get the chance. If I gave a flying f*ck about your welfare,I'd suggest that you get help. But as it is, carry on your dickensian parody because it's comedy gold. Go on retaliate by saying something sexual or typically dense about sheep...

  8. A Cornish Gooner

    Mar 13, 2018, 22:09 #107960

    TOOAW. That's YOUR 'good friend' I think. Badarse. Friendship is a mutual thing.

  9. TOOAW

    Mar 13, 2018, 21:40 #107959

    Nark. So highly regarded that you simply cannot fail to communicate and comment. Without our good friend Badarse this site is lost, narrow and negative. Wonderful work for an 80 year old showing these youngsters the ropes.

  10. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 13, 2018, 20:58 #107958

    Satellite Broadband has been down for over a week but an engineer sorted it today - wish I hadn't bothered getting it fixed when I saw that the Gruesome Twosome had made an unwelcome return spouting either tripe or incoherent drivel. I don't think I can stand another season, let alone a contract extension - god forbid, of Arthur & those two.

  11. markymark

    Mar 13, 2018, 19:37 #107957

    Badarse the subtleties again I see. So subtle only you see them? Anyway I’ll give you an analogy from past experience. On a number of occasions I’ve worked with fella’s who go on and on about being family men or about how happily they are married . Do you know what? . In each case that guy was either caught at it with someone ( female departmental boss in one instance ) , or their wife’s been having it away with their best mate or next door neighbour . What I’m getting at is it’s not just a denial thing , these guys have created a whole construct based on a lie. It always gets them in the end. Now when you go on and on about all your good works, all your morals high standing , all these subtleties that only you can understand . I think back to those guys I worked with. Sorry but I think you’ve constructed a lie about yourself and it’s not just me who see’s it. Where you’ve gone wrong is to get all morally superior when we can clearly see you are not. Ttfn and much love.

  12. Exeter Ex

    Mar 13, 2018, 17:39 #107956

    Badarse - who are you trying to kid? You really, really wanted to be popular on here, be seen as one of the main voices, helping others to see the light about Wenger via the power of your superior insight. That was your vision, don't try and pretend otherwise. Instead you're roughly analogous on here to Wenger in the PL - on the margins, watching others do all the running ahead of you. Wenger's disappointed you and you've let yourself down.

  13. Badarse

    Mar 13, 2018, 17:25 #107955

    Hardly innocent but certainly naïve, the man who believes he is a centrist as Theo did, is the Nark. Yes Nark I have made quite a few mistakes in my life as far as friends go, but we all do, unless we are blind to realising the fact. However I certainly know who I do not want as friends. Is the difference too subtle to understand? If so speak with Bard, a man for all nuances. For oldances speak with Tony Evans.

  14. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 13, 2018, 17:08 #107954

    Bard - It's not Arsene that is blue chip. He's wasted a lot of the club's money in the past few years on poor purchases and completely f*cking up the sanchez sale. And the further fall of the club's fortunes, as Frank's recent article set out, shows the club is in financial decline. Rather, it is Arsenal, the club, that is blue chip. It's on it's knees football-wise and it still making pots of cash. Financial success is thanks to TV money and comes despite not because of wengo. Gazidis or any one of those monkeys could run the club and it would make toupee man as rich as croesus. Hell, I could sit on my "aris" and make money for Stan if I was there instead of wengo (wonder if Tooey would be blowing smoke up my a-hole if I was Arsenal manager...) To be as rich as he is suggests he must have some intelligence: to that extent I can't see why he doesn't realise that the club is wealthy with or without wengo at the helm and that he'd actually save north of 8 million semolians to put in his own pockets with if he ditched OGL.

  15. markymark

    Mar 13, 2018, 13:18 #107953

    Badarse - for the most part it appears that you are starting to gain a realisation of how others see you . Maybe a change in meds is starting to have a positive effect. I do think you big up the obsequious Toad a tad too much. The guy is desperate for attention and mates. Jameesons complete ignoral of him was actually quite amusing. Unfortunately Baddie you cuddled up with the bad boys . They’ve all left and gone leaving you clinging onto the margins. It could have been so much different for you.

  16. Badarse

    Mar 13, 2018, 10:49 #107952

    The 83 years old hooligan had hooligone. Now he doddered on his red and white Zimmer frame, helped by his pal TOOAW who proudly displayed his OG Virtual Fan of the Year Award atop his crash helmet, resembling a Viking war bonnet.He was still up for it. As they approached the Grove Badarse's red and white eyes-from one too many Vera's and Philharmonics the night before-misted over; it was the cataracts again. 'I love it here.' The lying hypocrite mumbled to his friend. Then the pseudo intellectual did a good gurning impersonation of AKB(and we all know what the B stands for but Badarse's dementia meant he had forgotton so he said 'Putin' off the top of his head, well near the top anyway, which was closer to the truth than the old misogynist realised.) The pair of stalwarts marvelled at the cores then threw the remnants of their apples in the bin. The homophobic charlatan was then helped up the steps but Badarse took a step too far and fell on his head. He sprung back up like a geyser, or an old Trump supporting geezer anyway. Then the duo went in to cheer their heroes. 'Ahh, men will become gods.' muttered the alt right vermin, Moan Ltd-loving, trolling, cheat and pretender. And in they went.

  17. Bard

    Mar 13, 2018, 9:58 #107951

    The notion that Wenger is already on his way seems a touch misplaced to me. There is a long way to go. The side have picked up a bit of form. A strong finish in the league and a credible showing in the Ropey Cup might be enough to tip the balance in his favour. I dont honestly think that Stan is much bothered by what fans think and as others have said although the ground is half empty the tickets and revenue from sales aren't that much of a factor any more. From a banking point of view Wenger is blue chip. It will take something seismic to shift him and I haven't seen anything from the board to suggest they have the cojones to do that.

  18. Big Andy

    Mar 13, 2018, 0:54 #107950

    "I think we’ll see a near to full house for the Burnley match because there is a belief it will be Arsene Wenger’s final home match as Arsenal manager." No we won't. For start, Wenger won't resign; he'll probably be shown the door sometime in the summer. And my guess is that he'll make sure that he's somewhere abroad when it happens so that he won't have to explain why he was booted out. Either way, Wenger deserves no great send off: an empty stadium in a dead rubber would be a perfect finale for the last decade of failure.

  19. markymark

    Mar 12, 2018, 22:48 #107949

    ToOaW - I’m sorry but are you saying the Senile Delinquent , the 83 year old would be hooligan is well regarded ? Anyway moving on. We know Mourinho is well past his best , so how comes he always beats Wengo? Come on Wengo’s your hero so I expect an answer.

  20. TOOAW

    Mar 12, 2018, 22:06 #107948

    Nark..... Firstly. Cut out the bottle once the children are in bed. Secondly. Badarse is always and will be above most on here. His opinions and posts are highly regarded. Lastly, How can anyone take you seriously. You spend and then attend. You stand to the back of the queue on the limited protest and then wish to boycott. Myself and Badarse views have always been cold and clear. Unlike some on here.

  21. mbg

    Mar 12, 2018, 22:02 #107947

    Did somebody just croak there ? Holy f**k what shyte, does anyone even understand it ? deep, deeper ? this buckfast is some stuff. We want wenger out.

  22. markymark

    Mar 12, 2018, 22:00 #107946

    ToOaW - forgot to add Mourinho is way past his best but of course can still beat Wengo any day of the week even with misfiring Sanchez. It’s called tactics! Now when are you meeting up with that senile delinquent Brian Blowhard?

  23. markymark

    Mar 12, 2018, 21:44 #107945

    ToOaW - Mourinho is well past he’s best like the deluded lizard Wengo that’s my point Wengo’s gone stale. Talking about big boys , your lord and Master baddie who you send creepy messsges to is back in site. Oh thank you Baddie I’ll put this on my mantle shelf . You old creep.

  24. TOOAW

    Mar 12, 2018, 21:23 #107944

    Nark. Big daddy has told you not to respond but my question is this. Average player Ox has average stats when you delve deeper. Much deeper is Lexi Sanchez whom I'm sure should have improved tenfold under " the great one". Now Miki HAS improved statistically under Arsene Wenger. So your point being ????

  25. markymark

    Mar 12, 2018, 20:22 #107943

    Arseneknewbest - definitely not one of Jamies finer moments and when he’s got his scouse pal Joey bonkers Barton chipping in. My god you know he’s ****ed !

  26. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 12, 2018, 20:03 #107942

    Hi Marky - That Carragher thing was bonkers wasn't it. I clicked on the link expecting to see a fleck or a gobbet at the most coming from the scouse football expert's mouth. I was totally unprepared for the sheer volume of what he released! Either a very heavy cold or he had a bottle of badoit in his cup-holder. It was as if his entire ectoplasm was coming out. I remember Not the 9 O'clock news having a gob of the month competition and the winner being declared a "real groundsman's nightmare". Good old Carra - a better spitter than a player I'd suggest. Made me think about that time he got booked in front of the west stand at THOF. Some wit (maybe westie or baddie) threw an old ha'penny bit at him and he threw t back at the crowd. A brain donor and a wrong 'un. He got a red card as a result...

  27. arrgee

    Mar 12, 2018, 20:01 #107941

    excuses for low attendance for next 4 games. Stoke - Easter Sunday, Burnley - Bank Holiday weekend, Southampton/West Ham - Monday night. Suspect Arsenal will only see fullish houses in Ropey League. Possible 7th wouldn't be good enough to qualify if Swansea, Brighton or Southampton win the cup, but suspect Arsenal will be 6th anyway.

  28. Roy

    Mar 12, 2018, 19:42 #107940

    Don't forget that the absentees aren't spending any money in the outlets either which must hurt a little bit, even if it is small fry compared to the already paid for seats. A half empty stadium is also not good PR and Stan surely understands that ! It would appear that nothing is going to be announced until our Ropey league fate is decided. We are not without a chance, but I don't think we'll win it for the reason that we are just not good enough pure and simple, we look like we could concede at any time. Would Stan keep Wenger on after that and risk what would surely turn out to be a third consecutive season out of the CL ? With the current levels of apathy running as they already are, I don't think so. Wenger out regardless so the rebuild can begin with a far better tactician and motivator in place to drive it.

  29. markymark

    Mar 12, 2018, 19:30 #107939

    Badarse the Jamie Carragher of the Gooner,, oh sorry you just abuse Grannies from your car window (please accept my apology ) got any Weinstein poetry awards to give out?

  30. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 12, 2018, 19:07 #107938

    A less than classy return there from erstwhile human being and self-proclaimed Arsenal psycho-hooligan Badcnut. Anti-Irish sentiment from someone who claims to have Irish ancestry. That makes him a self-hating lowlife I believe. Anyway, your return to this site is about as welcome as being doused with bucket of cold sick. It also coincides, natch, with a win against a team so psychologically "on the beach" that they had Brighton rock at half time instead of an orange. Oh, did I mention Brighton...And you, for your sins, also mentioned the "H" word. Check out Godwin's law Badarse - scientific proof that you've lost another argument...again. I think it might time for poor Mrs B got the nails and the coffin out.

  31. mbg

    Mar 12, 2018, 18:48 #107937

    Just look at the photo, proof (not that any is needed)of what their like the lot of them AKB's included (probably more so) sitting there hands on knees, arms folded, in their pockets without a peep from them, like their posing for a f*****g photo. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  32. mbg

    Mar 12, 2018, 18:33 #107936

    equalizer, good shout, just wait and see if west ham fans have to do it, (like teams before them)you'll find they'll all rally together for the good of the club, but ours as you say are part of the problem, wanting wenger gone and changes but not willing to do anything about it, sitting on the fence, not wanting to rock the boat, not wanting/afraid, to get involved, letting others do it etc, and when we do get rid and changes come along and hopefully we get back to some semblance of a team they'll be the ones singing, whooping, and celebrating the most, along with AKB wengerites of course, Pathetic. we want wenger out we want wenger out.

  33. Exeter Ex

    Mar 12, 2018, 17:50 #107935

    Badarse - would like to see Wenger leave at season's end, see out the final year of his contract, or sign a contract extension? I'm not asking you about your or anyone else's power to make any of these things happen, simply your opinion.

  34. Badarse

    Mar 12, 2018, 17:07 #107934

    He awoke in a cold sweat and on a hot sweet. The cold sweat was the fear that he would need to find something else to hate if Arsene left, the hot sweet was the half sucked humbug he'd lost in the bed the night before. He peeled it off hi bare bum with a little shriek, it's still difficult to find big shrieks. He popped it into his mouth picking out the hairs now and again. He'd hated Wenger since the 2005 Cup Final. He blamed him for Reyes red card. It was three seasons later he found out that Reyes was in fact Spanish when all the while he'd believed him a countryman, Anthony O'Reyes. He kept quiet about his new found information but still couldn't forgive Arsene. He combed his nostril hair down creating a little Hitler moustache, then smoothed some Stork onto it to keep it in place, he hated it blowing about above his mouth. He looked at his reflection and winked, the PUDYAM man sneered back. 'We wants Wenger out, my precious.' he said, but the reflection snarled back, 'No we doesn't, we wants him to stay for ever and ever.' MAYDUP man then pulled up his orange ankle-swingers and raised his eyebrows at PUDYAM, then he bent to put on his wellies Hoddle and Waddle, thereby lowering his eyebrows significantly.

  35. Exiled in Pt

    Mar 12, 2018, 15:32 #107933

    Equalizer your quite right but as Gunner Rob said until all the seats are not paid for it will not hurt the slimy syrup wearing wa#k yank one little bit! Season ticket holders who are not bothering to go as a protest are no better than the ones still turning up! Only when real boycotting of everything takes place may you see some change!! A few West Ham fans have the right idea aiming there frustrations directly at their directors box. Those of us that may of done the same have already stopped going to Ashburton grove and already stopped contributing to the decline of our club!!

  36. equalizer

    Mar 12, 2018, 14:44 #107932

    Sarflunden, I wouldn't give any credit to those fans that still bother to turn up- they're part of the problem. If the stands were empty he'd have to go immediately. Even Wenger, who knows absolutely no shame would be shamed out of the club, which is exactly what he deserves.

  37. mbg

    Mar 12, 2018, 13:41 #107929

    MAF, Oh you can be sure some will mate (if they haven't already) i'm sure there's some idiots who already think everything has come good and we're up and running now, there always is, Sad or what. we want wenger out.

  38. mbg

    Mar 12, 2018, 13:15 #107928

    No conspiracy theories abound this weather you'll find, with yet another with another fixture of a mediocre team worse than ourselves to get the old fraud out of the shyte and save his arse. Wenger out tonight.

  39. John F

    Mar 12, 2018, 12:43 #107926

    The club may be happy that they still get the ticket revenue but they will have missed Match day merchandise targets.The board who view Arsenal as a product will be aware of the negative publicity that the empty seats generate and it looks embarrassing.Wenger once claimed that the high ticket prices reflected the quality on the pitch,the empty seats are doing just that unfortunately Wenger does not see this and today claims that they will win the fans back.At least his statement shows that the club are worried about it.Resigning might do it.

  40. Exeter Ex

    Mar 12, 2018, 12:39 #107925

    Arsenal having dead rubber league games in March indicates the problem rather than being a justification for low attendance. I think Gazidis said the stadium is still 20% of income, and empty seats on TV look really bad to sponsors. So whilst I fear we've got years more of Wenger I do also share the hope he'll be forced out. AFC will still be a brand of course but a more interesting one at least.

  41. Yes its Ron

    Mar 12, 2018, 12:25 #107924

    As to empty seats the truth is that clubs like Arsenal could quite well survive well enough with out fans. The commercial deals, CL money and TV money is all that matters. Fans through the gates stopped having much importance quite a while ago. Its looks better on the TV if theres people in the ground but thats about it. Thats what the modern game has become.

  42. Gunner Rob

    Mar 12, 2018, 12:02 #107923

    Gaz and RobG - Kroenke will not be bothered by the empty seats, but he will note the paid for seats which were over 59,000. The only way you get him to take notice is if they are no longer paid for

  43. Yes its Ron

    Mar 12, 2018, 11:59 #107922

    i suppose in all fairness it was a nothing game really. Arsenal league season is done and so is Watfords more or less. Understandable why people never bothered, though had they have paid and just still didnt go, its indicative of the apathy isnt it as has been said. Spurs and Chelsea have all of this to come once they become a 'brand'..... zzzzz, so tiresome. London football is in a pretty glum place right now and theres nothing much to suggest it ll change. Yes, Spurs are progressing, but the bottom will fall out of that soon enough as it always does with them. Greed rules the roost with the better Clubs in London and the football will be the worse for it.

  44. RobG

    Mar 12, 2018, 11:49 #107921

    Gaz - Indeed, my hope as well. Make no mistake, if Wenger hangs on beyond May, it won't be for one year but a two year extension beyond that. Because they won't leave it until the following May to announce, as the press won't let it drop. And as soon as we have strung three wins together around January, we will have the prospect of two more years beyond May 2018. I can't see it happening. I really can't. This May, has to be the end of the line for AW and a much needed fresh start for the Club.

  45. Gaz

    Mar 12, 2018, 11:40 #107920

    Can understand the scepticism but a bit of me simply cant believe that SK wont take note of the empty seats and the apathy surrounding the Club. I guess I'm hoping that there are those behind the scenes who see it the same way a lot of us see it and they're having their say in a bid to force through change. As I said that's my hope anyway.

  46. Exeter Ex

    Mar 12, 2018, 11:06 #107919

    I fear that Gazidis not addressing Wenger is 'cos it's a no-go area at the club rather than a sign he's not got support. He's there for life but Gazidis knows better than to say that outright. So goes on about all these other 'changes' that don't amount to any change on the pitch. Kroenke simply sees a balance sheet. He values continuity and stability. A new manager may mean higher profits, but also may mean lower profits. I think that's his reasoning. So as long as AFC are in this league, Wenger can stay as long as he likes. Supporter discontent, people not taking up their paid-for seats? Doesn't even register, that doesn't show up on a balance sheet. So Wenger will stay and spin "It's just been a bad week" for as long as he's physically able to get to Colney every day. I really, really hope I'm wrong.

  47. MAF

    Mar 12, 2018, 10:57 #107918

    glad it was half empty reflecting our fans fill. Empty. i worry now seeing Ivan's comments that we are all being softened up for ''Keep wenger'' move. Watford were abysmal to be honest. i pray Arsenal fans are not taken in by us winning any mid table clashes. lets see when we beat a top 6 side or a side desperately fighting off releguation.

  48. Gunner Rob

    Mar 12, 2018, 10:47 #107917

    can no longer bother to attend, and...perhaps long term worryingly for the club I (and others I know who used to go) don't miss it. Still think we will have to get knocked out of Europe soon for Wenger to go at the end of this season. Each round of the Europa will increase his confidence, arrogance and stubbornness.

  49. Sarflunden

    Mar 12, 2018, 10:21 #107916

    The utter apathy amongst the home fans (who still make the effort to attend) is embarrassing. I could hear the fans chattering and the players shouting at each other for large parts of the game until we turned it on in the second half. But when you see the huge number of empty seat then you have to give those fans credit that they still bother to turn up. It's beginning to feel like a chore going to the games. If the empty seats aren't enough reason for change then Stan,Ivan and the board are blind.