Will Arsenal’s fans return against Stoke on Sunday?

Milan game saw a decent turnout, but will Paul Lambert’s team draw a crowd?



Will Arsenal’s fans return against Stoke on Sunday?


Arsenal’s Premier League campaign has as good as reached ‘on the beach’ territory. A 100% record from here on in until the end of the season would give them 72 points, three less than last season, when they finished fifth. Fourth placed Tottenham would only need to gain 12 points from their remaining eight fixtures to keep Arsenal below them. Not forgetting the path to a top four place also necessitates overtaking Chelsea (eight points above Arsenal).

Those of a betting persuasion would get very long odds on an Arsenal top four finish from the likes of Winner Sport, although European football in the form of another Europa League campaign is on the cards next season unless Arsenal conspire to finish 7th and Southampton win the FA Cup.

So it’s fair to say that there is not too much at stake for the Gunners’ remaining Premier League fixtures. Four of these are at home – to Stoke, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley. Fortunately, the Southampton and West Ham matches, at first moved to Monday night for TV broadcast, have now been re-scheduled for early Sunday afternoons, apparently with Europa League matches the subsequent Thursdays in mind.

However, the amount of no-shows at the previous two domestic home games – against Manchester City and Watford, look set to be repeated. Weather was used as a reason for the poor turnout against the league leaders, and then it was Mother’s Day that kept tens of thousands away when Troy Deeney and company were in opposition. What next? Easter? People are away? Too busy on chocolate egg hunts? If Arsenal were going for the title, I suspect they’d somehow manage to make it.

The undeniable reality is that a very large number of season tickets holders have lost interest in watching Arsenal unless there is something at stake. So there will be a decent attendance at the CSKA Moscow home leg next week – because it’s a game that matters.

People are creatures of habit, and the habit of picking and choosing which games to attend is one that has developed among more and more modern day season ticket holders. The purchase of a season ticket is, for many, something that gives them an option on attending home games, but it is not something necessarily done with the idea of a commitment to always watch the team in the flesh.

This is not going to change anytime soon. Arsene Wenger’s stated aim is to please the Arsenal fans with entertaining, stylish football. It’s arguable whether his team is still producing that consistently, but even if they are, it is not persuading people to use seats they have already paid for far too often.

Granted, there is no direct impact to the club’s finances when season ticket holders do not turn up. Worse affected will be Delaware North, who run the catering operation and take the bulk of the profits there. But in terms of the club’s image, repeated swathes of empty seats are not healthy for the club’s pursuit of increased sponsorship. If no-one is interested in the club, then why would companies want to align themselves with something indicative of failure?

And ultimately, I believe it is this that will mean a change of manager this summer. Ivan Gazidis stated in 2011 that ‘Arsene is ultimately accountable to the fans - they ultimately make judgment. If you are seeing the relationship between the fans and the manager break down over time that is unsustainable.' The relationship has broken down to the point that fans have decided to vote with their feet, not having the appetite for protest. And Jamie Carragher may currently be persona-non-grata at present, but he had a point when he said that apathy is a far worse than protest. At least those displaying their ‘Wenger Out’ banners are actually bothering to turn up.

If Arsene Wenger managed to achieve Champions League qualification for next season, then there is a possibility that he would be allowed to serve the final year of his contract. However, a half-full stadium for the remaining four Premier League matches might be too big a message to ignore, if fears of a repeat next season are in the mind of the club’s decision maker(s). 30,000 in a 60,000 stadium just isn’t a good look.


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  1. mbg

    Mar 31, 2018, 17:52 #108266

    Well done again hammers fans you have some directors exactly where you want them, afraid to come out and take their seat/seats in the directors box in case of another back lash and protest, it's a pity we hadn't ours like that, something might have been done against this old fraud of a manager we have ages ago, but no we have the softest pussy fans in Europe. Sad. we want wenger out.

  2. markymark

    Mar 31, 2018, 8:36 #108265

    MBG - tee hee , So very true. I fear our little 4ft 11’ duffle coat wearing , Momentum man is busily stuffing Werthers Originals whilst stuck in some corner . An old A to Z with directions to the Holloway Rd lying dusty on the shelves. Meanwhile he taps manically on his key board . Eggs, Eggs , Eggs

  3. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 30, 2018, 21:06 #108264

    Jock Gooner - You need to do the comradely thing mate and advise your friend that he must be out of his mind buying a season ticket to watch wenger's Arsenal these days. I agree with others about Bouldy's nauseating comments about wengo. How can anyone go from being a real man as a player to such an arse licker now. Radix malorum est cupiditas - the love of money is the root of all evil. Hang your bawheid in shame Steve.

  4. mbg

    Mar 30, 2018, 20:48 #108263

    markymark, more chance of these great wengerites sitting a home stuffing the gaps in their gut than going to support their messiah, the episode of Father Ted comes to mind where ted finds the nun on the floor of the kitchen surrounded by Easter egg wrappers and clothes and facer covered in chocolate. wenger out.

  5. markymark

    Mar 30, 2018, 19:21 #108262

    This is going to prove an interesting time for the Wenger boys . Their classic argument is that it’s just us social media posters who are anti Wenger and the stadium fan base is fully onboard with the regime . But what’s this? Half the crowd keeps disappearing . This group are going off messsge . Two recent posters on this site need to get along to the Emirates to fill in the gaps. These two apparently are the worlds best Arsene supporters so surely they will going to watch us against Stoke?

  6. mbg

    Mar 30, 2018, 18:39 #108261

    markymark, TOF in the board room with the letter opener ? Or Ivan in the corridor with a brass eagle. ? Or young Josh in the saloon with the six gun ? Or Stan in the lift with a bowie knife. wenger out.

  7. Bard

    Mar 30, 2018, 17:53 #108260

    mbg; I sincerely hope you're right. I just dont see Stan as being the kind of owner that is much bothered about Arsenal as a footballing entity. Bottom line its just about the balance sheet. Does it really matter to him if he honours Wenger's contract ? I know everyone is exercised about empty seats and sponsorship but the money thats being made from streaming matches to distant parts of the globe, Africa, China etc dwarfs these sums. A few empty seats isn't going to matter too much in the grand scheme of things.

  8. Bard

    Mar 30, 2018, 17:14 #108259

    I see Bouldy is down on all fours waxing lyrical about the great man's hunger. Either Bouldy is a terrible defensive coach or he is merely picking up a sizeable cheque for putting out the cones. I know which one I'd put my money on.I'd like GG's view on this one. He must think we are all completely stupid.

  9. mbg

    Mar 30, 2018, 16:27 #108258

    Bard, I think Stan occurring the risk of TOF's disciples will last as long as one of his embarrassments and humiliations do, as long as i'd say the new managers first win/run of wins where they'd be cheering like the rest of us mate, anyway how could they kick up a fuss, and on what grounds although they'd probably find some silly/stupid reason like every silly and stupid excuse they come up with these days for keeping him on (although we don't hear many of those now) but they'd be put down and swatted away with ease, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on, I don't think they'd even dare try. wenger out.

  10. arrgee

    Mar 30, 2018, 15:01 #108257

    Exeter Ex - the tickets still cost about £1 less for members amd they pay a smaller booking fee. Not sure you can make up £50 over the season on it though. It only cost £26 for the same at Chelsea with £5 difference in cost of member v non member tickets

  11. markymark

    Mar 30, 2018, 14:50 #108256

    Bard - oh to be a fly on the wall listening into the merry goings on. Is Josh in awe of old Pa ? Yessir ! Or is shouting in frustration at Pa Kronke? Bould seems to have been sidelined recently but then pays a eulogy to Wenger suggesting he knows his times up when Wenger’s up. Then you’ve got two fiery Teutonic characters in Jens and Mstinlat . These guys are unlikely to put up with blockers ( Mstinlat has a running fued with Tuchel ) finally add to the mix Sanllehi who just decided to drop in a little fact about overseeing 8 managerial changes . It’s got all the hallmarks of a Medici Royal court . Someone will get knifed is my prediction

  12. Exeter Ex

    Mar 30, 2018, 13:58 #108255

    I joined the membership scheme when it was first introduced and you got £1 off every match you bought a ticket for, so over the season could make back what you bought the membership for. They scrapped that after a few years, making it an overtly greedy extra source of revenue. Bit like when estate agents introduced 'admin fees' at the start of a tenancy and just as morally dubious. And there is a business case for Kroenke sacking Wenger - another manager may make more money for the club by being more successful - but there's an element of risk, and Kroenke's model is minimal risk returns.

  13. arrgee

    Mar 30, 2018, 13:27 #108254

    Yes its Ron - I agree with the comment on red and silver memberships obliging you to go having paid £50 plus for the opportunity to get a ticket. Assuming there are about 50,000 silver in addition to the 45,000 STHs that is a nice £2.5m added to the kitty just so people can buy tickets. When it was first introduced back in the mid-1990s, you used to get a discount on the first ticket bought on the membership which made the effective cost £2. Cancelled my son's Cannon membership earlier this season and now he gets emails to buy tickets without a membership.

  14. Jock Gooner

    Mar 30, 2018, 12:22 #108253

    mbg - you are spot on sir, a mate of mine picked up a season ticket this year and he was in the 13,000s on the waiting list. That's an awful lot of people ducking the offer of a ticket. If they are allowed to stay on the list after declining a ticket offer last season then there is no chance of them wanting one for next season which means the club will end up pitching to people in the 20000s! That waiting list is no more than 2 years tops at the moment. It's a little bit like our official attendance figure at times.....full of holes!!

  15. Bard

    Mar 30, 2018, 10:26 #108252

    marymark; all good points and if you were a football man these would be crucial but Arsenal aren't a proper football club in the sense that I understand the term. Its primarily a money making operation for Stan. There are a lot of fans who think Arsenal and Wenger are synonymous. If Stan sacks Wenger he risks incurring the wrath of the disciples,'the destruction of a dynasty' argument. Its much easier to have another season of mediocrity and not renew his contract. As I have posted if he succeeds ( relatively) next season then Stan wins. There is no upside for him to sack Wenger unless you want to be a proper football club competing for trophies and at there risk of repeating myself thats the last thing he is bothered about.

  16. mbg

    Mar 29, 2018, 22:30 #108251

    Was talking to a man today who was offered a season ticket in 2016, after giving his up in 2010, he turned it down, before they closed and the season started he received another email with the same offer, (he doesn't know if it was crossed wires or they were finding them hard to shift) telling him the list was growing and he would probably have to wait between 4 and 8 seasons for another offer he declined again, he hadn't long to wait though another offer arrived in his mail box at the start of the current season, he declined again. Others I know have been receiving offers quite frequently, this fabled season ticket waiting list (like wengers reputation) is long long gone.

  17. Paulward

    Mar 29, 2018, 19:58 #108250

    Moving West Ham and Saints forward to a Sunday will help but I still can’t see a full house any time soon. Think it will hit home more next Season when our first home game against poor opposition is also half empty. Think we’re in mid eighties territory now ( albeit with a completely different fan base), people will turn up against the big five or for big cup games, but for other fixtures the ground will be only be half full.

  18. markymark

    Mar 29, 2018, 19:51 #108249

    I do see the unfortunate logic in keeping him on one more season. However four or five factors now come into play. 1: Contract renewal coming up with potentially Addidas or Nike . Will they be happy with a 50% full stadium . It just looks ****e 2: Potential loss of upcoming managers. They sort of have to jump soon if they want an Allegri . Otherwise they have to wait for a further batch of developing managers 3: Josh supposedly is not a fan. Stan is giving Josh his reigns. Plus Josh and Henry are chummy . So look at Henry’s voice music I’m thinking something is going on it’s like an unofficial Chanel of criticism . 4: Arsenal risk playing in front of a half full stadia for the majority of games in 2018-19. Virtually every club in the Prem is operating at +90% see point one this is not a good look. 5: Wenger is losing the club money and status . The capacity to be a top 4 manager is draining from him. The longer he stays the greater the rebuild

  19. Goonhogday

    Mar 29, 2018, 19:32 #108248

    Empty seats don’t appear to be worrying our boardroom. Interesting to see they’ve shut down the ticket exchange though for upcoming matches though. That doesn’t happen often. I think the boardroom were collectively sh*tting themselves at the prospect of STs flooding ticket exchange for Stoke. Wenger out.

  20. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 29, 2018, 19:12 #108247

    STOP PRESS: Amazing rumour doing the rounds down here that AW was deeply affected by today's emotional press conference of Australia's cricket coach, Darren Lehmann. His resignation following the shaming of his team has apparently persuaded AW to take stock of his own performance & make a dignified exit this summer - official announcement to follow shortly. STOP PRESS 2. : There are, as yet unverified, reports of a flock of pigs seen flying over Bodmin Moor this afternoon.

  21. mbg

    Mar 29, 2018, 17:02 #108246

    Bard, your probably right there, I hope your not though, at least the old fraud will not have another season on his contract to hide and squirm behind when he f***s up yet again, (and he will)and think of the fun we'll all have laughing at him and his embarrassments and humiliations and slagging him off, not forgetting the AKB wengerites of course. wenger out.

  22. Exeter Ex

    Mar 29, 2018, 16:03 #108245

    I think the key line from Wenger this week was 'If I see no progress, I can decide to terminate it'. He decides. And the team could lose every game for the rest of the season and he'd still see 'progress' of course. The young players... we got to a European quarter final... new signings in January. There will always be something he can spin to his own ends. Couple that with an owner who has proved hugely reluctant to change any coach at any of his 'franchises' no matter how they're doing, and I can't see how this ends.

  23. Yes its Ron

    Mar 29, 2018, 14:05 #108244

    Thats the nub of it Bard isnt it. Why waste money paying him off for the sake of one season extra. That ll be the clubs view and lets face it, if it was our Club, we would do the same wouldn't we? Whats another yr of potential mediocrity in whats already been the last 12 of them. Reality is that Arsenal arent half bad enough to justify SK ending it for AW given that reaching the level of the 2 mancs Chelsea etc isnt really a genuine target for the Club. As you say, we could have a decent Season next yr and the Club and AW can dress the departure up in all its glory and make a 'state occasion' of it. SK is bound to be tempted by that, the fans can go hang.

  24. Bard

    Mar 29, 2018, 12:40 #108243

    I dont think the crowd attendance will have much to do with anything really. There will be full houses for the big games and half empty for the others. Judging from Wenger's musing this week it looks like either he has been given assurances and he knows he is not going to leave or there will be a bloody fight to get him out. He has been very clear he isn't going anywhere. Does Stan have the cojones to sack him ? I dont think so. Easier to let him see out his contract and not offer him another one if he messes up next season. If he pulls a rabbit out of the hat next season all the better they can keep him on. My view is that from Stan's point of view there is nothing to lose by keeping him on and a lot to lose if he sacks him. Disastrous but understandable.

  25. Radfordkennedy

    Mar 29, 2018, 11:48 #108242

    I would love to go but I have a fear of wide open spaces

  26. peter wain

    Mar 29, 2018, 11:11 #108241

    lets face it there is no great incentive to go. The opposition is not particularly crowd pleasing and will mainly have 10 players behind the ball so the chance of a decent game is small. Arsenal lack pace out wide to disturb these teams and with the lack of quality players there is no one drawing people in.

  27. Yes its Ron

    Mar 29, 2018, 10:28 #108240

    Just on the season ticket point, we always have had a season ticket system and theyre a good thing in reality for those who wish to commit to all a season ticket offers. Basically though, in my view, Arsenals system and the membership schemes that run alongside ST s are a trap that locks fans in and almost obliges them to go to games to justify the cost. The element of choosing games by most fans who like to do that has gone and its wrong as i see it. Yr no less a supporter by only going to games you want to go to just because theres no purchase of one of those barmy red or silver memberships. All they are are devices for the club to squeeze more cash from fans. Yes, back yr season ticket holders and look after them, but i think the majority of match tickets should be thrown open to first come first served in the main. AFC are reaping what they've sown this last 12 years now things have gone awry. That stadium is a fan rip off centre that no other club emulates to the same extent. Truth be known, they would have a stadium full of corporate boxes and a much bigger Club level if they thought they could pull it off.

  28. mbg

    Mar 28, 2018, 22:56 #108239

    Leigh sorry Arsenal's prem league campaign was on the beach territory the first day it kicked off (and was widely predicted on here too) just like all the seasons before it, thanks to an old past it fraud of a manager, and that will continue to be the case until he pisses off and a new man comes in. wenger out now.

  29. Exiled in Pt

    Mar 28, 2018, 22:42 #108238

    Please everyone do not suggest that paid for empty seats, will cause the parasite owner and board to think they need to get rid of the zip fiddler!! Due to loss of revenue! I pray for a change of manager but our problems are far bigger than just the old fraud who wants to rack up the most PL games managed!! He might of beaten Ferguson's record, shame his trophy haul does not match. We need a complete clear out not just the w#nker that supposedly manages the club.

  30. Roy

    Mar 28, 2018, 20:17 #108237

    Although our fate in the Europa has yet to be decided, I find it difficult to see us beating Athletico in all honesty. What will then have to be considered is the risk of a third consecutive season out of the CL, which is the most likely outcome if Wenger were to stay. I realise that could happen anyway under a new manager, but surely you have to play the percentages here if your looking at it from a purely financial point of view. I'm hoping that's the side Josh will come down on and that this summer will see the end of Wenger whose recent ageism comments just smacked of desperation. And yes, my seats will be empty on Sunday.

  31. RobG

    Mar 28, 2018, 20:13 #108236

    Let's face it ! The dear old 'Stokies' have never been the greatest pull. They were hopeless on the road, even under Pullis. They look sunk now and have only taken a much reduced allocation themselves - as I understand it. Bet there are 10,000 empty seats. If the real attendance is more than 50,000 I will be very surprised.

  32. arrgee

    Mar 28, 2018, 20:03 #108235

    I know one Arsenal fan who is going. I think my brother in law is pretty brave to not be there at my sister's place as she has invited all the family around for Easter. Fair enough if there was something worth playing for or decent opposition, but as Jock wrote, it's Stoke on Easter Sunday! Even the Stoke fans have handed back two blocks of tickets and may have handed back a third but for segregation. Will be interesting to see, the attendance figure will mean nothing.

  33. Jock Gooner

    Mar 28, 2018, 17:36 #108234

    Our two seats will be empty and I am hoping that other fans will do the same. For some reason the empty seat images have proved to be far more powerful than people actually being pro-active and protesting which says something about our pathetic arse licking media. It is a long shot that we manage to get rid of AW at the end of this season but more empty seats might just tip the balance and that's a punt worth taking. Even Stan will have worked out that we are out of the CL for another season and given that our model is apparently based on qualification three years out of four then AW has breached that with no sign of a turn around. Other than that, as already mentioned, it's a Sunday lunch time kick off, it's the Easter weekend and it's Stoke - I can certainly find more a more productive way to spend my time. Here's hoping that more ticket holders decide to stay away and turn the screw on the old fraud.

  34. Alsace

    Mar 28, 2018, 16:38 #108232

    I may go if I really don't have anything to do AT LUNCHTIME ON EASTER SUNDAY. (1) What in the name of God are they doing playing a game on that day anyway. (2) I am one of about THIRTY THOUSAND people who have paid for their tickets and who literally cannot be bothered to attend anymore. I don't want Arsenal to win, and I care about the players so little that if they were all exterminated by Daleks so that Arsene Wenger could become the supreme Dalek and sit in a Davros buggy for the purpose, I really could not care less. (3) Wenger, Kroneke , Gazidis and the players have taken something that I was wildly passionate about and have killed it stone dead. (4) Other things actually deserve to be killed stone dead.