Arsenal Put A Firm Foot Into Europa League Semi-Finals

Online Ed: 4-1 first leg win v CSKA Moscow kills tie



Arsenal Put A Firm Foot Into Europa League Semi-Finals


So who needs Aubameyang? Arsenal’s front three of Lacazette, Ozil and Mkhitaryan, ably supported by Aaron Ramsey, wreaked havoc in a stunning first half against CSKA Moscow in last night’s first leg of their Europa League semi-final.

They went one up early when Ramsey fired a Bellerin pass across the box into the roof of the net, but the visitors responded with an excellent free-kick into the top corner to secure an away goal, something Arsenal would have been desperate to avoid. However, they responded well, and Mesut Ozil, who in tandem with Mkhitaryan, created havoc for the CSKA defence all evening, won a penalty. Lacazette converted it, and soon after, Ozil spotted Ramsey’s run into the area and chipped the ball into him. The Welshman produced an audacious volley off the side of his boot in mid-air to lob the ball sumptuously over the advancing keeper. Probably Arsenal’s goal of the season. Those who had bought tickets in the Clock End had all the fun last night (with the exception of the 600 away fans) as the Gunners made it four before the interval, courtesy of a nicely placed Lacazette shot after he found space to receive an Ozil pass in the area.

Before the game, there was a view that the CSKA defence was a little too old to cope with Arsenal’s quickness of movement, and so it proved. Defensively, the scoresheet suggests a fairly solid match for Arsenal’s own rearguard, but the reality is that CSKA had opportunities to add to their single goal, although fortunately their finishing was generally woeful. The combination of a dodgy defence combined with a relatively impotent forward line (at least on the evidence of last night) suggests the Gunners have little to worry about next week in Moscow.

All the goals came in the first half hour. The second half should have seen the home side comfortably extend their lead, but a myriad of chances were spurned, including a few for Ramsey to collect the matchball. It was a game they could afford to be profligate in, having notched four in the first third of the game. Mkhitaryan had to go off injured, although the club can give him three weeks to return, with the first leg of the semi-final then, assuming no collapse in Moscow, where you would fancy them to score at least one.

This was a highly significant match in the context of Arsenal’s season, so it was something of an eyebrow raiser that something like 10,000 fans decided not to attend. For the semi-final home leg, surely there will be a full stadium.

Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere played as two attacking midfielders with Grant Xhaka in a pivot role behind them. Ramsey was far more involved than Wilshere was, the latter having a relatively quiet game for a change. For the rest of the Europa League campaign, the team pretty much picks itself now, unless the manager decides to go more defensive and bring in Elneny, or even revert to three at the back, which seems to have been consigned to history now. Ozil and Mkhitaryan as the wide forwards works well for the creation of chances, certainly based on last night’s evidence, although neither are going to do too much to help their full backs.

Aaron Ramsey has a year left on his deal, and last night will have done no harm to his bargaining position. One suspects he will be offered a deal that gives him parity with the January arrivals, and will accept it. If not, the club will be willing to sell him rather than let his deal wind down, now that there are new people behind the scenes that can use the income from his sale judiciously. I am expecting a far more efficient, and where necessary ruthless approach to players than we have seen when Arsene was running the show. The Wilshere situation is a clear pointer to that.

So, Arsenal’s season is not dead just yet. The second leg of the semi-final is on May 3rd, after which there are only two further Premier League matches. The latter competition though, already has a ‘so what’ feel for the club, and in spite of scoring 13 goals in their last four home matches, I expect a crowd of about 40,000 will turn up on Sunday for the Southampton game. Arsene wants to please the fans with his attacking football, and the goals flowing in is surely serving up exactly what he has in mind to excite them. But they aren’t coming. There is something broken at the football club that desperately needs fixing, because if people aren’t motivated to attend a European quarter final, as many were not, then the future looks like an uphill battle.

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  1. Exeter Ex

    Apr 09, 2018, 16:58 #108422

    Ron - totally agree that Arsenal won't be rocketing back to the top when a new man eventually comes in but there will a new interest as we finally see something different, and some new hope borne of at least the attempt to go in the right direction. It just feels dead now. That makes a change very, very far from 'academic'. Indeed it's the only potential point of interest there is as things stand - the matches, the players are academic whilst Wenger is there.

  2. Yes its Ron

    Apr 09, 2018, 14:22 #108416

    GR - to be honest i think that the appt of a new Coach is a little academic now really, yes, i think as you know that Arsene ought to have gone some years back but the fundamental truth is that by bringing a new man in, Arsenal arent suddenly going to set their sights on overcoming the Manchester Clubs or arguably Chelsea who themselves will maybe go for a big push in the Summer after appointing a new bloke there. AFC have really made it clear to fans that we are Spurs and Liverpools rivals. A new Coach can maybe take us closer to them but fans shdt start thinking that AWs departure will herald a sudden change of tack in the boardroom. On the playing side, my own view is that a new Coach isnt going to effect a quick upsurge in fortunes either. Theres simply too much to do there. We may need a new Coach and then one after him to really progress and then where are Spurs and Liverpool going to be by then? This has all come about due to Arsene hanging on a good few years too long of course. What would have been gradual transition is now a major surgical operation, which we have to accept could go horribly wrong. Theres a few years of treading water for Arsenal to come in my view, Arsene or no Arsene.

  3. GoonerRon

    Apr 09, 2018, 13:17 #108414

    @ Exeter - the ‘probably’ is more borne out of my ultra-optimistic outlook rather than anything the manager or team are serving up. Speaking purely from a personal point of view, I’d love for Wenger to win the league with us again. I don’t hate the man as some do and he’s been a huge part of my Arsenal suppprting life. However, I recognise that (a) him winning the league is hugely unlikely and (b) even if he did it wouldn’t wholly mend the split in the fan base or give us a platform to build on. For the good of the club and the supporter base it’s much more important that someone new comes in to lift Arsenal, unite fans, start a new chapter and give some longer-term optimism. Believe me, if/when that happens I’ll back the new guy 100%.

  4. Exeter Ex

    Apr 09, 2018, 9:46 #108406

    GR - 'probably'? You hold out some hope then. I just find it incongruous that someone who wants the manager to go would be leaping to his defence in the way that you do. You're bright enough to know no rational case can be made so don't attempt to but be honest - you'd like him to stay really, wouldn't you? Your deep hope is for the EL and then that to serve as a platform for the title next season. You still think that's possible under Wenger, I surmise. At least though you can answer a direct question rather than come up with a load of fraudulent reasons not to, unlike a certain someone else who shares your feelings for Wenger.

  5. GoonerRon

    Apr 09, 2018, 1:33 #108404

    @ Exeter - no sweeping over here. OK, so Wenger doesn’t believe in the prize of CL qualification for winning the EL. It’s not exactly talking down the EL is it? And anyway, he doesn’t make the rules so if we win it then fair play. And no, under Wenger we probably won’t challenge the the league next season, that’s why I want a new manager. It is, however, possible to want a new manager but not be completely and utterly negative in every aspect of what he has done, does or will do at the club.

  6. mbg

    Apr 09, 2018, 0:25 #108403

    I bet the celebrities can sleep tight in their beds tonight the Welsh Jesus didn't score. wenger out.

  7. mbg

    Apr 09, 2018, 0:08 #108402

    Bard, yes I see the greet speeritt and menteel strength has been resurrected yet again and all it ever takes is a win over a mediocre relegated threatened team. wenger out tonight.

  8. markymark

    Apr 08, 2018, 20:39 #108401

    Toad please translate I’m afraid your fans are confused. What was that ? Anyway did you go? C’mon Toad , BBA , Leek, Colesey OAP. You did go didn’t you ? Ps no point calling out to Jamee he always ignored you my liitle man

  9. MAF

    Apr 08, 2018, 20:02 #108400

    the way we overcome the mighty southampton was very impressive. i was worried we would be knackered following the heroic efforts despatching world beaters CSK Moscow. we are really on a role now, its impressive. i thnk in total this year all comps wve only conceded abt 60 goals, brings back days of 1971 team. at this rate i think well secure 6th place ahead of mightly Burnley/Leicester. fabulous. i for one would give the manager another 20 year contract..

  10. Exeter Ex

    Apr 08, 2018, 19:17 #108399

    Two well matched teams today, Arsenal just edging it to solidify 6th, with still a chance of 5th. You can see why Toady feels vindicated. Dear god, what a clown.

  11. Bard

    Apr 08, 2018, 18:37 #108398

    We are a fantastic team when there is nothing to play for. I see Wenger thinks this mob has terrific spirit as well as the last lot and the ones before that. Maybe he doesn't really understand what spirit means. Could someone enlighten me ? Is 5th place a trophy these days ?

  12. TOOAW

    Apr 08, 2018, 18:33 #108397

    "Nark calling Mick Jones calling Mungo calling Bonzo calling mad monk calling Aylesbury.... You all there. Calling jameeBA calling BBA. You all there guys. It's squeaky bum time. Come on fickle gooners, don't give up this fight to sit at home and do nothing whilst Arsene takes our hard earned...... Over and out.... Guys..... You there guys.... Guys..... Don't give up..... " Nark slumps in his chair " it's over son... " But daddy. My Chelsea shirt still fits me" "son, that's not the point" " so what's your point daddy" "I'd love to love Arsenal again but I just can't, it's gone too far, I'm lost, I'm confused, I can't back down, I cannot surrender" Daddy... "Arsene is the best thing to happen to Arsenal EVER eh daddy"......... "Yeah son.... Yeah son.... Very true"

  13. mbg

    Apr 08, 2018, 14:42 #108396

    Another mediocre team at home after another mediocre one in the ropey cup, they just keep coming, no complaints or no conspiracy theories from the wengerites for a while I note, or no petitions, one would think it's all fixed for and in favour of the old fraud. wenger out tonight.

  14. markymark

    Apr 08, 2018, 14:30 #108395

    Toad calling toad or if not there Badarse - you are at the game today aren’t you ? The 15-20k have gone off messsge they are not receiving their Wengo casts. They’ve gone to B&Q instead, fixing wardrobe doors or walking the dog. Wengo needs you ! Get Graham Perry's megaphone . Repeat Arsene Wenger 10 more years , Arsene Wenger 10 more years , lick , slurp.

  15. Exeter Ex

    Apr 08, 2018, 12:14 #108394

    GR - your latest response reads like you're trying to sweep the points I made under the carpet. You said you hadn't heard Wenger talk down the EL. I pointed out he has. I went to point out a restful fixture list for the first 11 this season has resulted in a failure to even challenge for the top 4. I'm not sure why you're defending him in the face of these facts. A question for you: Do you think there's a chance of a title challenge next season under Wenger?

  16. markymark

    Apr 08, 2018, 7:39 #108392

    ToOaW - what we’ve confirmed is your refusing to admit who you were even the Gooner Ed has said you were multiple posters just admit then go back to the cider. I think the anger you see in all of us is actually your projection, you are constantly the angriest man on this site why is that ? You’ve got your Wengo surely? I can’t help it if Jamee your hero ignored you , I can’t help that others have suggested Baddie cuddles you because Westie went off to Cheltenham never to return. I can’t help you as you attempt to stick your tongue where the sun don’t shine to ingratiate yourself It’s all in you, Tottenham Troll .

  17. TOOAW

    Apr 07, 2018, 21:26 #108391

    Nothing like a riled Nark eh. Your assumptions of me are quite below par fella. We've already ascertained that you are the two faced, confused, lying hypocrite but the need is to pass it over like the hot potato. All's Well that ends Welbz. See ya tomorrow fella. TTFN.

  18. markymark

    Apr 07, 2018, 20:17 #108390

    ToOaW - not sure why your trying to hang off Gooner Ron’s coat tails. Whatever the spats are about he has said he wants a divorce from Wenger. Read the post numpty. WOR, WOB these are the words of your fleabag rag tag pals Badarse, Jamee and your previous manifestations as BBA , Leek and probably f’ing Mug Colesey OAP. What do WOR and WOB mean?

  19. markymark

    Apr 07, 2018, 16:16 #108389

    Gooner Ron - just be aware having a slathering toad all over you isn’t pretty particularly when he supports Spurs anyway. We know you still like old Wengo but realise his times nearly up. Toad wants a Wengo continium to keep Arsenal moribund and directionless. Badarse is a lying nutter. The two of them are best avoided

  20. Arseneknewbest

    Apr 07, 2018, 14:51 #108388

    GR I told you he'd be right behind you backing you all the way. Yuck. My imagination's got the better of me again! MBG - I'm just starting work so feel free to take over on spud boy Tooey. ..

  21. TOOAW

    Apr 07, 2018, 14:05 #108387

    You're spot on gooner Ron. The haters like to make a meal of it all. Very much like the FA cup wins recently. Some have erased those out of our history eh Irish one. The negatives are cringing at us winning in Europe. You can almost feel the tension. Give credit where credit is due fellas.

  22. mbg

    Apr 07, 2018, 13:54 #108386

    Arseneknewbest, markymark, Exeter, i'm just in from a days work, an eight hours shift, jesus nobody should have to work on a Saturday morning, so thanks for saving me the trouble of having to answer a question that had love and affection for their messiah written all over it, and indeed has been answered many times before in more ways than one as well, some of them just still don't get it. wenger out.

  23. GoonerRon

    Apr 07, 2018, 13:12 #108385

    @ AKB - just because I’m offering a defence for Wenger in this debate it doesn’t mean I don’t want change. How long have I been saying I want a new manager? I too want a divorce from Wenger but it doesn’t mean I can’t look back on history differently to you. @ Exeter - like I said, he probably would prioritise the league but he’s in record saying that is always the number one target. Anyway, who’s ‘flip-flopping’?

  24. Exeter Ex

    Apr 07, 2018, 12:07 #108384

    Wenger is on record as saying the winners of the EL should not get a CL place, qualification should just be through the league. Were Arsenal within even a sniff of top 4 still, he'd still be playing weakened teams in the EL. At the start of the season the stated aim of the club was to challenge for the title, the theory being that the last two winners of the title - Leicester and Chelsea - had not been in the CL and it was this 'burden' that had prevented AFC challenging in recent years. Here we are in April, and there hasn't even been a challenge for the top 4 this season. In a sane and rational world, this huge discrepancy between stated aim and reality would've already seen the club stating this would be Wenger's last season. Instead getting through a couple of rounds of a competition Wenger has openly disrespected against mediocre opposition, and winning what amounts to a few friendlies in the PL, sees the flip-floppers falling for the spin and back defending Wenger. This is a big part of the reason why the club is stuck.

  25. Arseneknewbest

    Apr 07, 2018, 11:18 #108383

    GR You're evidently still walking in a wengo wonderland believing all the execrable spin that he and gonnella perpetrate. Many of us saw through that corporate money grubbing cack years ago. He's a liar and a conman who is f*cking anyone and everyone who cares about the club. It's all about him not the club and fans - seriously mate when are you going to see that? Maybe after we lose to Southampton or Atletico...this season has been another disaster yet you're ready to help wengo polish his turdson and keep himself in a job.

  26. GoonerRon

    Apr 07, 2018, 9:28 #108382

    @ AKB - we’ve regularly got to the latter stages of the ‘lesser’ cups under Wenger. Of course at times we’ve gone out of them, which team hasn’t? You mention the Forest defeat but don’t mention the fact we’ve won the FA cup a record number of times under Wenger - surely that fact is more representative of his regard for ‘lesser’ competitions? I’m sure there has been some prioritisation in times gone by, again, what manager doesn’t at times rest/rotate players in certain competitions? Going back to the original point, I’ve not heard Wenger speak down on the EL, nor have his actions in terms of team selection/rotation been out of sync with any other manager in the competition. Therefore I won’t climb down (but thanks for the sanctimonious advice), I still don’t see why this is a competition we don’t deserve to win.

  27. markymark

    Apr 07, 2018, 8:45 #108381

    ToOaW - we’ve regularly taking the mick out of your Spurs pals for the Thursday night ropey games. Plenty of Maureen abuse for winning the Ropey and it’s even cropped up on fan podcasts. Personally I’ve enjoyed the Europa in previous seasons as you get to see the Valencia’s of this world , solid respectable clubs. But yes many Arsenal supporters have taken the piss. This would be alien to you though as only Brian ‘la chatte’ Badarse seems to believe you actually support Arsenal

  28. Arseneknewbest

    Apr 07, 2018, 8:23 #108380

    Gooner Ron - sometimes mate it's just easier to climb down and admit you may have been rash in your judgement. By the rickety yardstick you describe, we'd still be in other lesser cups as well and always fighting for them but no wengo got that one wrong and we lost comprehensively to the mighty forest didn't we. Ditto that grim defeat to Wednesday a few years ago. Wengo is an opportunist of the worst kind and will lie and manipulate people like you for his own ends. Wait for a plethora of excuses when athletico (a team with a proper manager) eventually spunk arsenal away. Ropey - snob moi? Happy to recognise it as a piece of football pewterware but I plagiarised the term from your namesake yes it's Ron so you should level your accusation of snobery towards him rather than me. If you can't discriminate bwtwen the relative values of trophies to wengo then I contend that you are still an apologist for wengo. And one more thing - I prefaced my mention of the DM with the word "arserag" - you can safely infer from that I think that's it's not an organ of the media that I respect. I disrespect the DM, wengo disrespects lesser trophies and Arsenal generally.

  29. GoonerRon

    Apr 07, 2018, 7:57 #108379

    @ AKB - if we were in the mix for the title I’d imagine we would prioritise the league fixtures, but that’s hardly a surprise as Wenger has always said the PL is the number one priority. We’d probably still be in the EL as we rotated in the Group stage anyway and started to play stronger teams as we got deeper into the KO’s. I don’t read the Daily Mail but if what they write is your barometer for a subject then fair play. FYI - you sound like the snob by calling it ‘the ropey’. I’ve seen Chelsea and Man U players celebrate like mad after winning the trophy in the last few years, if its good enough for regular winners like them it’s good enough for us right now.

  30. Arseneknewbest

    Apr 07, 2018, 7:40 #108378

    Goonerron - cmon geezer. Have some perspective. You're running the risk of starting to sound like those other two trolling fantasists that blight these pages. Christ, there's even something in that arserag daily mail about wengo's chronic disrespect for the lesser trophies. Wengo has always been the most egregious of snobs when it comes to the cups that don't matter and don't pay mores to the point. It's not just about looking for the comments, it's the actions of fielding weaker sides until there's something at stake or in his case a chance to save his sinecure and continue the dismantling of the club. Ask yourself this - if by some miracle we were safely in the top four this season and, gulp, were actually still challenging for the title (no don't laugh it used to happen a lifetime ago) do you seriously think we'd still be in the ropey? What do you think Ronnie? Answer the wrong way and you could suffer the ignominy of having spudlovin Tooey as a suck up fan boy...

  31. TOOAW

    Apr 06, 2018, 22:56 #108377

    MAYDUP. Please explain how us fans have treated the Europa league before as you have stated. Your aggressive attitude towards Arsenal FC is truly humourous. Grade one numpty.

  32. GoonerRon

    Apr 06, 2018, 21:57 #108376

    @ mbg - I’m not sure why Wenger wouldn’t ‘deserve’ it - I might be wrong but I’ve never heard him talk the trophy down, have you?

  33. mbg

    Apr 06, 2018, 21:29 #108375

    Gooner Ron, fair enough question on the face of it, and hear what your saying, but the scenario is a bit one sided in wengers favour for me, first of all he'd be getting/gaining a trophy he doesn't deserve (look how he and his fans, treated it before, and still would be doing so only now it can save his arse) and making him look like the bees knees and some sort of saviour and hero, he's certainly not either. Why not announce now either way he's going at the end of the season, I don't trust him or the club especially him, what's to stop him change his mind with all the furoe, celebrating, whooping, back slapping, thinking all the fans are back on side etc, etc. No, not winning and wenger pissing off this summer, (yes he could still do the same and change his mind I suppose but he'd have no trophy to show or blow and bum about) it's just another trophy a route back into his holy grail, like I've said one he treated with distain anyway and it's suddenly not going to make us top notch again or change anything. wenger out.

  34. markymark

    Apr 06, 2018, 19:29 #108374

    Gooner Ron - I think a chap on the Podcast said . Win it because Wenger will go at some point but the Cup will always be on our records and let’s face it our European record is mediocre . However honestly , if I’m really honest I’d take knock out in the semi’s to kill off Wengo. If we get to the final i have to support them . It’s bizarre that the manager is such a toxic brand that we even need to discuss it . But your question is a good one !

  35. mbg

    Apr 06, 2018, 19:12 #108373

    Ando, it's a rare thing indeed especially for this old fraud, but you couldn't be more wrong, a win would not be a reason to be cheerful for many, (as we all know exactly what it would mean and bring)if TOF did win/fluke it it certainly doesn't or wouldn't mean he has come good, and changed, or a new corner has been turned and we're witnessing a new dawn nothing could be further from the truth, nothing whatsoever would change mate,(as others have said we've played nobody yet, all worse than our selves who roll over) It would just give the old weasel carte blanche to carry on what he's been doing for the last fourteen years even with more power to do so, with out fear of retribution. And it would certainly not reunite the fragmented gooner clan that TOF himself has been fully responsible for causing, and them fully endorsing him in, both of them will never be forgiven. If there is any kind of a way back for the fans it will be when the new man come in and then I doubt very much they'll endorse and give him as much leeway as they do/did their messiah, We want wenger out.

  36. Exeter Ex

    Apr 06, 2018, 19:09 #108372

    Can't say I really feel any conflict. The season is already spoiled and tainted for me, as have the last few under Wenger. The awful thought of another season or more of half-arsed, 'play when you feel like it' performances and him repeating the same old ****e cannot be ameliorated by a second rate trophy whose only value in today's football is in order to qualify for a bigger competition that Wenger has utterly failed already in for 20 years. I want anything that maximises the chances of him going ASAP, so that means going out of this trinket ASAP.

  37. GoonerRon

    Apr 06, 2018, 18:54 #108371

    Genuine question: would you take winning the EL and the club announcing straight after that next season is Wenger’s last, or not winning the EL and Wenger goes this summer?

  38. TonyEvans

    Apr 06, 2018, 18:24 #108370

    Hi Ron - that was my gut instinct in 2014. You have to take a trophy no matter what may be happening at the club and I am sure I will be the same this time around, if we get to the final, especially as again Wenger may stay on anyway - win or lose. The Fairs Cup win came just too soon for me, but I can imagine what a fantastic night it must have been. David1 - strange times indeed, never to be repeated hopefully - once the old sod has buggered off once and for all.

  39. mbg

    Apr 06, 2018, 18:12 #108369

    So TOF want's to excite the fans, LOL, it doesn't take much to do that for his wengerite luvvies and others these days, Sad. wenger out.

  40. Yes its Ron

    Apr 06, 2018, 17:17 #108368

    Hi Tony - Yes, it does have shades of that doesn't it. I dont go to games now of course but im tryING gamely to get that feeling we had as lads as we approached the ICFC Final 1969/70. It was great wasnt it. For me, fans should just enjoy the chase of a trophy and suspend the external issues while the journey continues. Otherwise whats it all about? As we all know, there can many, many years before a club wins stuff again. Look at Arsenal 1953 -70 as an eg.

  41. David1

    Apr 06, 2018, 16:21 #108367

    TonyEvans - history tells us that AW will take victory in this competition as evidence that he should stay on. That he's still got the right stuff. Next year - Aubamayang, Lacazette, Ozil - they will lead the challenge for the PL. And no board member will challenge him so long as there is silverware. It's a catch 22 situation - we want the trophy but we want AW to stand down. Shakespeare couldn't have written this shizzle.

  42. TonyEvans

    Apr 06, 2018, 15:57 #108366

    Bard / Ron - if only we had a crystal ball! As I said once before it's 2014 all over again when the FA Cup may or may not have saved Wenger's bacon. Does his future hang on winning the EL? That's the big question now. All I know is, for me, this question mark is ruining what otherwise would be a good first (should we win it) for Arsenal in Europe.

  43. Yes its Ron

    Apr 06, 2018, 15:19 #108363

    Ive always thought the EC much maligned and unfairly so. Its the level of all of the PL clubs, not just Arsenal. Its just that most of them are too arrogant to admit they've not challenged the ECL for years and arent likely to any time soon They think its above them to go for the EC thats far more competitive than the ECL has ever been. We all know whose winning that before it starts by and large. Check out the 'great' new 'european force' Man City collapse the other night, that was Man C doing what theyve traditionally done throughout their moderate history - crumbling pathetically like yr Weetabix does each morning. I hope Arsenal win the EC anyway irrespective of the effect. They've never won it and have played well in it this year. To be honest i dont think it ll influence what happens too much apart from a price hike in the season tickets to pay for the dubious privilege of watching the drudgery of the ECL next season - a tournament that will be donkeys years before any of those rubbish PL teams can even get close to winning. Heres hoping Liverpool draw Real Madrid and get beat 24 - 0 on aggregate.

  44. Ando

    Apr 06, 2018, 15:13 #108362

    I too dread the consequences of a ropey cup win. However a european pot is a rare thing indeed and a reason to be cheerful and re-unite the somewhat fragmented gooner clan.

  45. Bard

    Apr 06, 2018, 14:44 #108361

    Tony Evans; whats more galling in some ways is that a large number of so called fans are like zombies and are oblivious to the decline going on. Apart from Atletico there aren't any top sides in the competition. The team are well capable of winning it. I dread to think what will happen if we do. Another long contract and an increase in salary ?

  46. TonyEvans

    Apr 06, 2018, 14:33 #108360

    Bard - you mean Wenger's found his true level, and has been allowed to drag the club down there too!

  47. mbg

    Apr 06, 2018, 14:06 #108358

    From Russia with love. We want wenger out.

  48. TonyEvans

    Apr 06, 2018, 13:16 #108357

    My ill-found optimism of a few weeks ago that we were finally looking at the end of the road for Wenger is rapidly crumbling. Can't see us winning the Ropey with Athletico in the way, but with the bar ever lowering, even an appearance in the final, coupled with a strong League finish (with the relatively easy run in) and you can see Wenger being given another two year deal. Agree with Gaz and Madmax - I have never hated an Arsenal manager more than this selfish egomaniac, whose legacy will be forever tarnished in my view.

  49. Bard

    Apr 06, 2018, 12:55 #108356

    At least we have found our true level. Slightly worried that a nightmare scenario is unfolding before our eyes. Lazarus is about to come back from the dead !!! He gets to the final of the Ropey cup and suddenly we are 'moving in the right direction'. How could we possibly not give him another year or more.

  50. Exeter Ex

    Apr 06, 2018, 12:31 #108355

    CSKA had the same backline as in 2006 - has that ever happened before? Arsenal haven't played an even halfway decent team since 1st March, Man C. Maybe a couple of challenging looking games left this season. That's an incredibly kind fixture list for nearly a third of the season. Win or lose the EL, the end of an awful season will be padded out with plenty of wins and the narrative will be Wenger's finally sussed it, and on this'll go.

  51. Gaz

    Apr 06, 2018, 12:08 #108353

    mad max-couldn't agree more with you fella. I'm so far the other side of this great divide now that even if he did turn it around I'd still want him out because I just dislike him so much. Turned over at HT as I can't stand the thought of winning this comp because in my mind winning it means he stays-losing it means he could go.

  52. mad max

    Apr 06, 2018, 11:42 #108352

    another fair and accurate report kev, your right though the club in spirit is broken at the moment and we all know why. the board have allowed us to drift along under a manager who is clearly out of his depth when it comes to competing with proper coaches who know how to set their teams up, either wenger has some compromising photo,s of them at a latex party or something or they simply don't have the guts to show him the door. i never thought the day would come when i,d be wanting the opposition to beat us in hope of one man,s exit. for me his legacy will be forever tainted if he had any respect for the fans he would have walked long ago. compare other managers who hang around to shake hands with their own and opposition players and applaud the fans, he disappears down the tunnel like a coward, sorry for the rant but i have grown to hate the man i no longer care until he has been removed it seems that all the johnny come lately,s have given up as well judging by the huge amount of empty seats at home games these days WE WERE THE ARSENAL BEFORE ANYBODY HAD HEARD OF YOU AND WE WILL STILL BE THE ARSENAL WHEN YOU,VE GONE HERBERT CHAPMAN BUILT THIS CLUB NOT YOU T.O.F

  53. The Man From UNCLE

    Apr 06, 2018, 10:44 #108351

    A good win but they did cause us problems when they attacked and would have done more damage with better finishing, game could have finished 7-4 or something like that. Gonna have get through Atletico sometime though which is a different proposition altogether.