Arsenal do enough v Saints in front of one third empty Emirates

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Arsenal do enough v Saints in front of one third empty Emirates


The only scenario in which Arsenal will not qualify for next season’s Europa League (which does actually have a significant financial benefit, albeit one dwarfed by the Champions League) is if they finish seventh and Southampton win the FA Cup. It’s possible but unlikely.

Anyone but a mathematician will have given up on hopes of the club climbing into the top four between now and the season’s end, so it’s perfectly logical to play the second stringers in games like this. It was good to see Reiss Nelson get a start, and your writer could have lived with Eddie Nketiah being given one as well. I am not going to be over-critical of Arsenal losing matches like this giving the kids experience, as there is realistically nothing at stake.

However with questions over Mkhitaryan’s fitness, Arsene Wenger needed to assess Danny Welbeck and Alex Iwobi with a view to selecting one of them for the Europa League. Both contributed to the win, Welbeck scoring two and assisting with the other, Iwobi involved in the build-up to two of them. Neither have the quality of Mkhitaryan, but the reality is that his season might be over. Arsenal have won a European trophy in the past with big players unavailable, and might have to do so again.

Southampton took the lead due to an ‘after you Claude’ mix-up between Cech and Mustafi which allowed Shane Long to help himself. It wasn’t good enough. Mustafi needs to learn to take responsibility and hit row Z with this kind of ball from wide. Fortunately, Aubameyang dropped a little to begin the move that led to a decently worked equalizer he finished off himself. Welbeck’s opening goal followed a few minutes later when he fashioned space for a shot on the edge of the area and a deflection took it in. Things were improving after a shaky start.

It was another damp dog of a matchday at the Emirates, and it feels like there have been a lot of these this season. The actual attendance was another that could have fitted into the old Highbury Stadium. ‘Match of the Day 2’ refereed to empty seats and a toxic atmosphere at the club. You do have to wonder how long this will be allowed to continue. I have written before that I do believe the sheer multitude of no-shows are what will finally mean the board decide the Wenger era must come to a conclusion. That there were at least 10,000 stayaways for the quarter final three days earlier was something I did not expect. People are now in the habit of not prioritizing using their season tickets. It’s a very dangerous trend and the club need to start countering it with a more imaginative approach.

The second half saw a Southampton equalizer with the introduction of Charlie Austin from the bench. With so many Arsenal players in the area, it was disappointing that no-one could prevent the ball across the face of the goal after Cedric’s run into the area. The visitors enjoyed many chances, and even allowing that two of the first choice back four were absent, it did not engender confidence for the stiffer challenges that lie ahead in the Europa League. CSKA might even think they have a chance of winning 3-0 on Thursday based on this display, although one assumes both Koscielny and Monreal will return to the starting line-up.

Arsenal, too often in this game, were not tight enough to their opponents when Southampton ventured forwards. There may be an element of lack of motivation in a fixture of this nature, but we saw it earlier in the season when the matches did still matter. It’s a long-running issue. Too many opportunities are being allowed too easily. And it’s something that isn’t going to be ironed out by the current manager’s coaching methods.

Arsenal’s blushes were spared by a late Welbeck winner, a good header from the back post to meet Iwobi’s cross. Southampton have won one Premier League match since November, so even with a scratch team it would have been disappointing not to have beaten them at home. As it is, the momentum of a series of wins continues, and it’s possible that may still be the case after visits to Moscow and Newcastle, although as long as progress to the semi-finals is made on Thursday, it won’t matter hugely if they lose both fixtures.

The only near capacity crowds we will see at the Emirates for the rest of this season will be for a Europa League semi-final and in the very unlikely event it is made public that Arsene is going at the season’s end before the Burnley game, I can see a big crowd turning up to see his final home match. West Ham will see another crowd below 40,000.

Mohammed Elneny will presumably receive a three match ban for his red card so won’t take part in that game. He was trying to stop Southampton moving the ball forward after their own player was red carded for lashing out (quite understandably in all fairness) at Jack Wilshere. Elneny was naïve to push an opponent in the face, but it was good to see a bit of passion from him, Wilshere and Kolasinac in the various melees. We need to see more of this kind of fighting spirit, at least to show the fans that the result matters to the players. Too often, this does not seem to be the case. One imagines that Ainsley Maitland-Niles might get some more game time thanks to the Elneny suspension if the Gunners do progress in the Europa League and continue to rest first choice players.

Arsenal remain sixth, and there is a belief Chelsea can be overtaken to rise up to fifth. Whether or not that will be painted as some kind of triumph remains to be seen. The bottom line though, is that for the Premier League, Arsenal are now playing ‘so what?’ games and have been doing for a few weeks now. In that sense, we are all kind of going through the motions as the atmosphere at home games makes all too obvious.

Still, always next season to look forward to, eh?

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  1. Yes its Ron

    Apr 12, 2018, 9:58 #108463

    on 'safe standing' or shall i term it 'safe seating'. i take the points made about paradoxically how unsafe seating often is. The worst i ve saw was at Anfield 10 yrs back in that quarter final CL game. I was in the dreadful Anfield Rd end as usual about 3 rows from the back. The views there are awful. All of our crowd moved froward en masse. Eventually, the back 3 or 4 rows were all empty as fans in the forward rows allowed everybody to get in them so to allow everybody to stand. The seats were irrelevant. Some of our fans ripped the seats out to create more leg room. Stweards for Liverpool were trying to push fans back. Fights started and the stewards backed off and gave up. Cue Adebayor making it 2-2. The crowd surged. People fell over seats in from of of them. I saw people with gashed heads and other injuries as they picked themselves up and it was chaos in the gangways.I decided that night that seating wasnt safe at all, though ive never been convinced. As has been said. Hillsboro wasn't about terraces and fences.

  2. Moscowgooner

    Apr 12, 2018, 7:41 #108461

    Alsace - 'safe standing'is an oxymoron when you apply it to people standing en masse in the current seated areas. But I don't really like the term either - we all know standing was the not the issue at Hillsboro' in '89. But standing without changing the demographic mix - ie by dropping prices sharply and targeting a particular age group - won't do much to enhance the atmosphere. Do agree with Ýes it's Ron'about Highbury rarely 'rocking on 4 sides'- but that didn't really matter too much: there was always noise under the roof of the North Bank - when it was standing. The rest of the ground was often quiet as the grave - not least because the Clock End was uncovered, so even away fans found it hard to be heard. The Emirates resembles a vast 60,000 capacity West Stand Upper....

  3. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 12, 2018, 1:14 #108460

    John F,your right about the away support, having quite a lot of younger lads and always a good atmosphere. If we had a section in the clock end priced the same as away tickets and available on the day, it would help create an atmosphere problem is it would not suit the direction the club want there fan base to be...The board and Wenger out.

  4. mbg

    Apr 12, 2018, 0:09 #108459

    Just watching a programme on UTV at the moment, when football changed forever, the season before SKY took over , yes Mr tango the main mover and shaker with his Colgate shine, brilliant clips of Arsenal, great memories, all you wengerites and JCL's who know no better, you don't know what you missed, proper players, proper men, not a nice boy soft pansie to be seen. wenger out.

  5. mbg

    Apr 11, 2018, 19:10 #108458

    Jock Gooner, good post and point, who and what is going to bring that type of fan to the club now ? ( even if there is any)the way we were drew to it and Highbury, this club and ground in it's present guise ? and with this old past it out of date fraud of a manager at the helm ? Would the likes of ourselves even be bothered going back, and even if we did would we have the same enthusiasm, even the proper fans that have remained, the few that do make a bit of noise now and again, they don't even have any enthusiasm left, all sucked out of them by the leech wenger. No this club and especially wenger have got exactly what they want now, and rid of exactly what/who they want, it will take years (if at all) to change back to a proper club (if at all) and right all the/his wrongs, and the only way that will ever happen is when the leech is burned off and curls up. We want wenger out.

  6. Alsace

    Apr 11, 2018, 17:53 #108457

    List of Oxymorons. "Safe" standing. Clean coal. British Intelligence. Collective Responsibility. Arsene's gameplan.

  7. John F

    Apr 11, 2018, 17:52 #108456

    I have always felt that making 2/3rds of the ground season ticket only was a mistake as not many younger fans can afford them. My experience of our away fans is that they can be very loud and usually create a good atmosphere and there does appear to be a younger element amongst them.T would reduce the amount of season ticket holders by 5000 by natural means over time with the aim of creating a 5000 seat section of the ground giving priority tickets to away scheme members and then red members.Not a chance of the the club doing that as they are risking guaranteed income and probably not concerned by the lack of atmosphere.

  8. Yes its Ron

    Apr 11, 2018, 12:51 #108455

    I think the problems over atmosphere which obviously does relate to pricing is very much more a London club issue than a provincial club issue. London clubs have by and large always ripped off their own fans where ever they can. The modern televised game has simply allowed them to ratchet up the extortion and they've embraced it gleefully. Its seeped into regional clubs thinking for sure, but not near to the same extent. Many of the clubs try all sorts of ways to assist fans, particularly the younger fans.Overall the costs of football in the central area and the NW are many times less than London, which lets face it is the City of obscene exploitation Truthfully, if i was a younger fan now looking to follow a Club, wherever i happened to live, Arsenal wouldn't be an option. The London clubs are reaping what they sow now. Atmosphere was a problem back in the day too. Rarely did a London stadium 'rock'all 4 sides. Good as was at Highbury when it did, but it wasnt often. Today, if not for the away support, the London grounds are all in the main as silent as the grave, Spurs excepted and it ll be the same there once they go hell for leather towards tourist/day tripper/corporate.

  9. Jock Gooner

    Apr 11, 2018, 12:13 #108454

    Yes, a new generation of 13 - 25 year olds would be ideal but what is going to hook them in the way that the North Bank hooked those of us lucky enough to experience it. The lack of atmosphere and diabolical prices means many younger fans will never commit to the club the way that we did. A real shame.

  10. Yes its Ron

    Apr 11, 2018, 11:39 #108453

    Ex and Bard - great comments. The sociology of the footie fan today vis the fans of the late 60s and 70s would be a compelling study wouldnt it? Footie was the centre of the Universe for many of us was nt it and it set us both apart and together with our peers. Today s 'techie teenagers' are maybe never going to lock on to football as we did, perhaps due to the fact that their parents never have done. For all the downside of todays techie teenagers, they're far more sophisticated and in the main mature in their outlooks than we were, plus theres far more in the way of entertainment to absorb and enjoy. Tribalism as we saw it at football hold no place in their lives. Probably just as well isnt it. Rucking with Stokies away at the Victoria Ground will hold little appeal !!! they dont know what their missing!!!

  11. Yes its Ron

    Apr 11, 2018, 11:17 #108452

    MG - Safe standing and far lower pricing will help a lot i think. We need a new influx of younger fans as you say. You look around that stadium now and its largely 35 yrs old and above. As you, it was the North Bank that cemented me as a fan.

  12. Bard

    Apr 11, 2018, 10:45 #108451

    Some really good posts. I agree with the general thrust. Watching Prem football is now an accessory item, rather like having a designer handbag. I have seen 'fans' at the Ems hardly watch the game at all preferring to look at their phone instead. Im not convinced by the argument that staying at the old stadium would make any difference. The whole football watching audience has changed. Im from a generation that remembers the days when the only football you could see on the TV was the cup final and the home international championship. To see football you had to go and see your team on a Saturday.

  13. Moscowgooner

    Apr 11, 2018, 10:00 #108450

    And of course I meant convert the North and Clock lower to áll standing'not áll seating'. But the demographic is important as well: for most games I've been to recently the North lower has in effect been all-standing - but with an average age of over 50 and a hefty tourist component, you're not going to get much noise. Plenty of selfies and half/half scarves though - OT has very much the same problem.

  14. Exeter Ex

    Apr 11, 2018, 9:40 #108449

    I think moscowgooner is right on what's needed to improve the atmosphere... however even with the return of standing I think that culture is gone, among today's and future young people. They are too distracted by their phones. If any singing started up, they'd start filming themselves, and it would immediately dissipate. That sounds disparaging, but it's a realistic assessment.

  15. MAF

    Apr 11, 2018, 9:36 #108448

    Alsace I am doing same. I cannot be asked to go half of the time These days. totally uninspiring & i also dont re-sell my tickets are we are 4. I think there are definitely 15,000 fans out there who have Long term tickets but who may well not attend and who dont Need to re-sell the tickets. This 15,000 could in the end be the ones that push the owners to the edge re Wenger/DAN Change. If they dont like what they are seeing they dont go, but they occupy the tickets so no one else can get them.

  16. Moscowgooner

    Apr 11, 2018, 7:05 #108447

    Just to note that Arsenal are not the only sports club in the world to be in the news for faking attendance numbers: the White Sox/Tampa Bay MLB game in the US this week actually attracted fewer than 500 fans - there are pictures on line showing what looks like a completely empty stadium! - but the ófficial'attendance was 10,377.

  17. markymark

    Apr 11, 2018, 6:55 #108446

    I think the comparing of Arsenal crowds from date back in the 70’s to now only gives you part of the picture. From memory in the 70’s only Manchester United bought in over 50k a week , I think Liverpool in one year i pipped UTD when they got 47k and UTD had dropped. Back then working class groups including youngsters went in greater numbers whilst polite society shied away. The 70’s was also a decade when the World Speedway championships and the Dog Race final could draw almost a Cup final sized crowd. It’s better to look peer to peer at the same timeframe imho. Though Arsenal are less dependent on gate revenue . If we have a 2/3 full stadium whilst other clubs are operating on 95% fill. We do not have a good look , particularly when we will be aiming to achieve 2nd highest sponsorship levels within domestic football. We are now at phoney war stage . Does the club just keep things as they are but risk a huge season ticket turnover? Then they may have to deal out offers , thus infuriating existing holders? Does the club naturally run down the ST to make Arsenal a world wide attraction ? But then one bad tourist season and Arsenal will be stuffed. I note no major club has gone down this route. The 10-15k who are staying away are a threat to Arsenal and possibly its biggest threat out there.

  18. Moscowgooner

    Apr 11, 2018, 5:29 #108445

    Yes Its Ron - sure, 63000 crowds were rare in those days: I think the last at Highbury was for the cup replay versus Chelsea in 1973. (Gates locked 30 minutes before kick off). But then 60 K crowds are equally rare at the Emirates today... I don't accept at all that the stadium is too big for Arsenal: a successful team would draw 60 K week in week out - probably 75 K. (WHU are pulling in 57 K a week off a much smaller supporter base - but at reasonable prices.) I think the key point is atmosphere (and the interrelated issue of pricing). When I started going to football in the late '60s the key draw was the atmosphere on the North Bank - not the dire rubbish being served out on the pitch. We need a new generation of 13 to 25 year old supporters who are going to stand and sing throughout. The old North Bank created the atmosphere for the other 20 K or so punters in the ground sitting in silence in the West Upper etc. That's why people wanted to be in the stadium. Why bother going to see games today when you can stream them on TV anyway and the atmosphere in the ground is dire? This is an issue that all the big clubs will have to get to grips with - and soon. Look at the Serie A - banks of empty seats, empty souless stadia = an unattractive product for TV. WBA have just been knocked on a safe standing section but sooner or later these will come. Convert the North Stand lower/Clock End lower to all seating - drop prices dramatically. Let those two sections drive the atmosphere. Couple that with a change in manager and we will fill the stadium - and be looking to expand it. (I would get rid of the Club Level as well but that's for another day....)

  19. mbg

    Apr 10, 2018, 23:14 #108444

    Who was it said earlier they were impressed with the way Liverpool are/were doing things slowly but surely ? can they do it against the odds again ? and a CL medal for the Ox ? now that would really be rubbing the old frauds runny nose in it.

  20. 1971 Gooner

    Apr 10, 2018, 21:28 #108443

    As far as I recall (and it is a while back) wasn’t David Dein opposed to the rest of the board re: building and moving a new stadium? I thought he was up for a ground share at Wembley.

  21. Yes its Ron

    Apr 10, 2018, 17:24 #108442

    Exiled - i ll be honest i cant really make my mind up regarding who it should be. I know what it should be i.e a total rupture from AW, change of methods, attitude, change of player type and player personality, the whole club culture needs to be weaned off. It could take a few years to do that because quite a few of the squad has to remain. I think AW will stay too. That way the club can be affected by him on who to bring in and his culture will stay. A mistake in my view. Its had its time. Vieira? Not sure what hes done really and im less sure he d ever rail against Wenger to be honest. Also, i think ex club players are best used in a lesser capacity, such as coaching. Having ex players as Managers is a bit over rated i think. AFC needs a strong, tried and trusted heavy duty Coach with a persona that will impose himself on the board and make them bend to his will and if they dont, just leave. It means Wenger needs to leave accordingly doesn't it.As long as they dont go down the Terry Henry route though. I think thats the worst thing they can do, having him preening himself and strutting about plus hes done nothing to justify getting the job. Jabbering his indiscernible tosh in the studio qualifies him for nothing. I think they ll consider him though as many of the new type of fan who go there will see it as a great move and the Board will feel they've given them a Messiah. AW will stay and they ll spin it as 'stability' and 'continuity' when really it means slippers and cardigans remain and reign supreme at Colney and G and Ts all round in the Diamond Club as they all stand there chanting the King is dead, long live the King. Another one for the road Arsene? Bottoms up old chap! Carry on!

  22. MAF

    Apr 10, 2018, 16:51 #108441

    ''Arsene Wenger has given a clear indication that he is planning on staying at Arsenal next season after revealing where his transfer priorities will lie for the summer'' I spat my dummy right out when i saw this, nearly choked, called the bank to see if i could stop my seat renewal payment but too late. Wenger will be 91 next year and barely able to make it to press conferences, let alone take a Training session, have our owners gone nuts? will he still be able to head up Fitness Training ? or have enough wind to even keep blowing that whistle of his ? Another one for you. what is it that Wenger does more than any other Manager that is giving Arsenal the worst injury track record in the league? there is very clearly a trend at Arsenal on injuries that only some stats sites have picked up on. some say his methods are outdated and he is doing the wrong sessions with the Players hence all the Ligament injuries throughout the squad. of course Xhaka wont get one because to get the injury you first have to run. Beam me up scotty, this is Football but not as we know it

  23. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 10, 2018, 16:25 #108440

    Hello Ron, Spot on with the scousers as i think quite a few have already said the North west clubs in general still think of the real support they have. Although it was not that long ago they were talking of ground sharing in Stanley park with the toffies. Think that was a case of fan pressure helping put pay to the idea!! On the manager / coach front i would take Viera tomorrow as i do not think we will see a big time manager filling the job , not all the time Wenger will have a say in it. One thing is for sure when he does stand down probably end of next season he will move straight upstairs and carry on interfering for years to come. Will need someone like Viera that can stand up for himself and install a bit of fight and pride back in the team without upsetting Le Fraud too much.... Board and Wenger out

  24. mbg

    Apr 10, 2018, 16:23 #108439

    Hi Berry, they all showed great promise when they arrived mate, until wenger got his grubby hands on them with his failed philosophies and ways, unfortunately for them they were to young and naïve to realise, unlike the more senior pros. Wenger out.

  25. mbg

    Apr 10, 2018, 15:56 #108438

    Exiled, good post, don't forget massive egoism too from tango and cash, remember according to the AKB wengerites their messiah built the Emirates. We want wenger out.

  26. Bard

    Apr 10, 2018, 14:54 #108437

    Ron I agree about the Ox. He's is a good player but not a worldie by any means. He suffers from being neither fish nor fowl. I dont think it was a terrible loss to sell him.

  27. Yes its Ron

    Apr 10, 2018, 14:50 #108436

    Exiled - hi mate. i think yr right about Ox turning down the contract. Id forgotten that. Agree with redshirts and yr take on the thinking behind that stadium. AFC lost more than just its home when we left there. Not one jot of consideration was given to the clubs traditions and culture and even less given to the fans who had been going to Highbury since we were kids. Change happens of course and its a good job it does. The only benefit to football though as i see it , with Arsenals change was that other clubs doing the same are mindful of how incorrectly Arsenal did it. Very impressed with how Liverpool are doing it. Bit by bit and carrying their support with them etc etc.

  28. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 10, 2018, 13:56 #108435

    Ron, was it not Chamberlain's choice to refuse a new deal offered by the zip fiddler for a move to the scousers!! He turned us down to move so nothing to do with Le fraud selling at the right time .His the problem dead wood stays so long Wally would of been sold years ago by a proper manager! As for the soulless bowl Le Fraud and the tango kid Dein are to blame along with the other cretins on the board at the time !! We all know highbury could of been developed enough for us real fans to keep going and for a team to keep competing !! But like Redshirts says it was all about money and f#cking the real fan off. Current owner will not sell out now the gravy train is perfect for fronting his US business plans ! I hope the zip fiddler goes but i don't think it matters anymore this club is going nowhere that we want it to go , for a long long long time .... The board and Wenger out .

  29. Yes its Ron

    Apr 10, 2018, 11:13 #108434

    Decent lad is the Ox. Agree, he looked like he was going to be a revelation when he first played. Hes built himself up now clearly and looks powerful. Hes not great though. Hes a decent footballer but wont command a first team place at Liverpool as they look to increase their strength and abilities any more than he did at Arsenal. He doesnt score enough, seems to lack a bit of game nous at times and disappears from games still too much in my view. The type who will end up at Crystal Palace in a year or two i suspect. Wenger was right to sell him as he was the Wally and will be right to flog the Willy. All players who if not for being english, would barely merit much of a mention.

  30. Hi Berry

    Apr 10, 2018, 10:12 #108433

    Really glad for Oxlade-Chamberlain....he showed such great promise when he first signed for Arsenal - a real breath of fresh air with his attacking runs in a side that played sideways football, but sadly sidelined and out of favour as the years progressed. On another note - in the unlikely event of us lifting the Europa League (although anything could happen should we meet Athletico Madrid in a one game final) will we finally see the the actual fourth place trophy?

  31. MAF

    Apr 10, 2018, 9:39 #108432

    Oxlade-Chamberlain, people spoke about him, saying ‘oh he’s too much money’,” Murphy told talkSPORT. “well I’ve always been a fan of Ox by the way. Look how fit he looks now in comparison'. “They talked about when he went to Liverpool he couldn’t play for a while, they had to give him another pre-season... “That tells you something about Arsenal.”

  32. mbg

    Apr 09, 2018, 23:18 #108431

    UNCLE, there'll be a lot of us other wise engaged, but no doubt the usual idiots will be celebrating and getting moist at actually having regressed from the fourth place invisible trophy to having progressed back to the fifth place one, you'll have the little nice boys whooping and bouncing, high fiving on the pitch selfies flying (yes they'd actually have the cheek if encouraged by the wengerites) catweazel will be smirking and grinning like he's actually achieved something and been promised a shag from aunt sally (staying close to the tunnel though just in case as he's such a coward) the AKB wengerites will be happy with the finish regardless, and be looking forward to next season full of optimism (as usual) believing the old fraud when spouts the tired old s***e we're good to go. wenger out.

  33. Jock Gooner

    Apr 09, 2018, 23:14 #108430

    Redshirt - good post sir. The fan base has been continually diluted deliberately to get rid of the old fan base. In addition to the type of fans you list you can add the ever increasing number of women and young children which, dare I say it, has the effect of further diluting the support. Our crowd at home is now akin to a matinee performance at the theatre which is exactly what the Premier League and the club want to achieve. TOF remaining, coupled with Sunday lunch time kicks offs is clearly pissing a lot of people off and it will be interesting to see how long the johnny come lately brigade hang around to watch matches which are nigh on meaningless.

  34. mbg

    Apr 09, 2018, 20:26 #108429

    Bob Bayliss, great post, post of the day, i'd nearly go myself to make sure the same and he doesn't come back. We want wenger out now.

  35. mbg

    Apr 09, 2018, 20:15 #108428

    Ron, good post, yes the club and TOF (TOF of course was the club at the time and what he said and thought was gospel, oh how we were had) thought at the time we were the only rivals to man yoo, and thinking things were going to remain the same long time, a nice cosy cartel of two, which would have been fine with no complaints and crying from the luvvies as long as it was us, and then the money men arrived on the scene to gate crash the party, first the Russian at Chelsea and started spreading the oil money,(we can say what we like about him and did) but he had ambition, proper ambition, and didn't suffer fools (like we did and still do) and of course the weasel and his disciples used this as an excuse for failure over and over and over again while we were always referred to as the bank of England club and had rival fans and clubs accusing us of the same when things were going well, but that of course was alright as long as it was us, and we were winning, it would have been just the same if the Russian had taken over us instead of Chelsea and brought the silverware to us that he did with Chelsea, with a proper manager, we'd have fooking loved it regardless what the wengerites and his luvvies say, no we were stuck with wengers much failed pet project youth, and his obsession with winning on the cheap 9something Leicester has long beaten the old fraud to) and a complete lack of ambition all round, with excuses for years for his failure/failures blamed on money and proper ambition and still is even today with two of the richest men in the land with stakes in the club. And the along came the arabs to city with the same ambition and the same excuses applied/apply, (remember financial fair play ? lol) now ? still excuses for the weasel are been made for catweazel, i'd love to see what would happen if our Russian took over and did the same as Roman with a proper manager (it certainly wouldn't be with the excuse for one that we have) what would happen ? prems, fa cups, Champions league, we'd all fooking love it. wenger out.

  36. Alsace

    Apr 09, 2018, 19:40 #108427

    Didn't go yesterday because I wasn't well but the only reason I would have gone would have been to go to the pub with friends. I have missed loads of games this season but without laying the tickets off. Missing nothing as the games are so dreary. I love the fact that mass absences are sticking the boot in to Wenger. The second the creature is gone I shall not miss a game. It will be a matter of principle.

  37. Bob Bayliss

    Apr 09, 2018, 19:02 #108426

    I am not sure why we would get a full house in the final home game against Burnley if (unlikely, I know!) Wenger announced he was going a year early. Are there hoards of sentimental AKBs who would suddenly come out of the woodwork? Most of the season ticket holders who are currently voting with their feet would probably be happy enough to miss such a sickly nostagia-fest. He has trashed his legacy, and the only reason to turn up for his last game would be to make sure he actually gets the message and doesn't change his mind.

  38. Aylesbury Gooner

    Apr 09, 2018, 17:34 #108425

    Yes its Ron & Redshirtwhitesleeves totally agree with your comments about the stadium.I don't think any club since has built a stadium anything like ours so that tells you something .Whoever takes over from the dictator might need to address this issue as soon as.Ps. Membership scheme needs a total revamp too its a shambles.EIE

  39. Yes its Ron

    Apr 09, 2018, 17:15 #108424

    redshirts - i always like yr forthright posts and almost always agree with yr take on things. Again ....youre spot on.

  40. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Apr 09, 2018, 17:04 #108423

    Mbg- beautifully put regarding the weasel, his art of putting runs together against sh*te teams when the pressures off, and those too dim to see nothing will change whilst he remains. Ron- I like your point about the stadium. Let's face it, it was built and designed purely to extract every last penny from its 'customers'. That club level is an embarrassment as is the lack of atmosphere with the upper tier letting any noise out and the lower tier pitched so ridiculously shallow that there will never be a sense of the crowd being right on top of the action. It was built to rid the club of its hard-core support and attract the polite, selfie-taking, latte-sipping, non singing, non complaining modern consumer that now litters that place. The one thing it certainly wasn't built for was to maximise our chances of on-field success that we were sold as the premise of leaving Highbury. The biggest con-job in football history. A huge lie from start to finish, much like every time that old French fool opens his mouth. The club is rotten from the inside and top to bottom. And worst of all is it won't be changing anytime soon. Wenger will get a new contract regardless of results from now to seasons end, the club has no balls and no class

  41. Yes its Ron

    Apr 09, 2018, 16:49 #108421

    1971 - couldnt agree more matey re dinner time kick offs. Ive long held the view that neither players nor the fans are up for them. Im sure that you, as i have, often seen many low key, half cocked matches at dinner time. Its f-----g stupid playing then and one of the prime reasons that made me give it up totally.

  42. 1971 Gooner

    Apr 09, 2018, 16:19 #108420

    Wenger is the ultimate survivor. He will be in the post-apocalyptic wastelands with Mad Max as his new number two, leading a team of cockroaches the coveted 4th place trophy. It’s easy to see why season ticket holders stay away - the football on Sunday was dire, Aubameyang who looks absolute quality excepted. However, I don’t think Sunday lunchtime kickoffs help in this regard.

  43. Yes its Ron

    Apr 09, 2018, 16:11 #108419

    MG - 63000 crowds were an exception back then, usually only v Man Utd though. The capacity of the Emirates was set very optimistically i think as the club rode the wave of being the only real opponent to Utd. It seems they assumed that the old duopoly would never alter and moreover that other clubs wouldn't ever build new grounds, but even worse, they seems to assume that the clubs then success would never stall. In fairness, a good many of the fans thought the same. It was like a pioneering project to shift ground, but with hindsight, the way it was done smacked of innocence, naivety and arrogance shown most clearly in Arsenal acting as the developers for the Highbury development in which they caught a cold really to some great degree, re the costs of that.

  44. Moscowgooner

    Apr 09, 2018, 15:51 #108418

    I am the first to want to see Wenger and Kroenke out but 50,000 for CSKA was not too bad an attendance. Think back to 1969/70 - we played the Ajax of Cryuff and Neeskens etc in the Semi of the Fairs Cup and drew only 46,000 - 17,000 under the then capacity. The final against Anderlecht drew 52,000 - 11,000 under capacity. (And the Fairs Cup had more prestige back then than the Europa League has today!)

  45. Yes its Ron

    Apr 09, 2018, 15:01 #108417

    Hi RobG - It makes you wonder what will come of that club level tranch of seats doesn't it. Ive been up there a few times and the views are the best in that place i think. Theyre a strange lot there though. Many arent primarily there for football, its more a case of 'being seen to be there' by people who are the 'underclass' of those who van afford boxes. Its looked like a stain on the stadium for years as its rarely full. its too expensive for the pockets up there for a start but a set there is really an accessory to peoples belongings who have decided adopting football seems like a good idea so to look good to other small businessmen or to friends and family etc etc. Eventually i think the ring of seats will be converted to a row of less extravagant private boxes, higher priced than club level of course so greater income but less obvious when not taken up. It ll be interesting to see when and how they re design that stadium. As it is, its atrocious. All of that space and airiness was never needed for Arsenal and i think they now know it. Its a stadium made for a warm climate hence they nicked it off Benfica and set up for a well heeled, less than committed support, even in the main seating areas to a degree, never mind club level. In many ways, its the earlier version of West Hams present stadium problems.

  46. mbg

    Apr 09, 2018, 13:24 #108415

    Arsenal do enough how many times has that been said with the word, just, included, just enough to save the old frauds arse yet again, just when we have had the weasel on the ground foot on his throat along comes the usual half decent run in, under no pressure, against mediocre opposition (a lot at home)with some regulation wins, and all's well again in the garden of wenger and his disciples, the menteel strength and greet speeritt has been regurgitated yet again, and as usual it will be believed by the wengerites and his luvvies, but a lot of us know better and aren't as easily fooled, lets hope the hierarchy aren't either. We want wenger out.

  47. markymark

    Apr 09, 2018, 13:04 #108413

    These reduced crowds of course are based on non confirmation of Wenger’s remaining term. One can imagine if Arsenal literally go nuts and extend that a further 10k could drop off. Without the old Banks you’ll be left with people scattered whilst the away ends will often be near full allocation. Effectively turning each home match into a neutral or even hostile to Arsenal. The sponsors will also hate the look. This is the new problem they face. They simply can’t rely on ST’s to turn up and neither can they run down the ST’s as they will kill the base. Easier decision is to sack I’d say. They can dress it up how they like

  48. peter wain

    Apr 09, 2018, 11:42 #108412

    same old same old. The defence is woeful with a lack of pace and positional awareness so obvious. Wenger out now.

  49. The Man From UNCLE

    Apr 09, 2018, 11:28 #108411

    After what has really just been one of those quiet seasons no doubt we will get "Survival Sunday" and the nation will hold its collective breath waiting to see which one of Palace / Stoke / Southampton can make "The Great Escape" this season. Me, I'll be otherwise engaged.

  50. Yes its Ron

    Apr 09, 2018, 10:50 #108410

    I saw the game and thought Saints deserved a draw really. As it is they look like they're going down now. 2nd half was a decent game really for a nothing game from Arsenals point of view. On the whole , the entire PL season has been a damp squib as nobody has even got near to challenging Man C at the upper end and the lower end of the table now starts at about 8th position! Arsenals puny contribution to the season has to be put in context of everybody else s dire efforts in the 'best league in the World'. The PL and the TV companies ought to worry as well as Arsenals Boardroom. The veneers well and truly coming of it all in my view and not before time. Attendances have been falling for a while which maybe explains SKY s and BTs tendency to hype up every bit of non news they can as well as pretending that these games are so potentially exciting and vital. Even the pundits look tired and resigned to the tedium of it all. Heres to the gravy train crashing soon. Its had a good run after all!

  51. RobG

    Apr 09, 2018, 10:34 #108409

    What looked interesting, was how empty the Club Level seating was. That was less than half full throughout the game. Given that is where half the gate receipts come from, that should give the Board a lot of food for thought. Grated the tickets are paid for this season. But if those empty seats indicate the level of renewal interest, for 2018-19, then alarm bells are surely ringing at Highbury House ?

  52. MAF

    Apr 09, 2018, 9:58 #108408

    it is hard to sum up the Magic of Mustafi. what words can possibly describe a Defender who combines Bobby Moore, Tony Adams, Franz Beckenbaur, Paolo Maldini all in one man..?a snip at £35m, its incredible how our Manager continues to be able to spot defenders that others miss. Xhaka is a very similar Situation. only £35m. Petit/Viera/Gilberto all in one man. amazing box to box coverage, able to tackle yet also able to create. we are truly blessed to have him.

  53. Exeter Ex

    Apr 09, 2018, 9:57 #108407

    All the team has to do is not lose 3-0 in Moscow and the season will be painted as a triumph and justification to go on for Wenger. A European semi-final, a domestic final... Wenger said 'we just had one bad moment in February', so apparently the rest of the season has been great. This guy will spin from the thinnest of material, he is totally shameless.

  54. MAF

    Apr 09, 2018, 8:49 #108405

    In front of a massive 40,000 crowd Arsenal put the mighty southampton to the sword with a swashbucking passionate perfect storm of a Display. the Emirates was rocking as wave after wave of Arsenal attacks eventually broke down southampton's world class defence. this was the stuff of legends as the crowd drank in the atmosphere and the sheer Magic of the Team they were watching. Arsenal are now in great shape to go to Man Utd and extend their already very impressive record against the other so call TOP 6 sides. Arsenal have currently taken an incredible 5 Points out of a possible 27 against these sides. another season record. of course the Problem now is all the world's top sides now want our Manager due his exciting new ideas, tactical nouse, incredible Passion and ability to get the very best from Players. we can only hope our Club quickly tie him up with a new improved contract.