Arsenal Flirt With Euro Exit in Moscow

Online Ed: Gunners win quarter final tie comfortably… on paper



Arsenal Flirt With Euro Exit in Moscow

Mesut can’t even be bothered to pose properly for the team photo!


Arsenal’s allocation in Moscow amounted to 300 fans, approximately 50 of those from England. The bulk of the remainder were Russian Gooner and there was a fair sprinkling of Arsenal colours in the home stands for the second leg of their Europa League quarter final against CSKA. And in spite of political tension, or indeed memories of Marseille in 2016, apparently no reports of any ill feeling or aggression towards visiting fans. A cracking atmosphere in the stadium though. And as for the CSKA fans behind the goal that, to a man, removed their shirts during the second half… it’s difficult to envisage that particular gesture getting a try-out at the soulless bowl in north London.

Still, let’s see if the stadium in rocking for whoever the draw gives Arsenal for the semi-final at 11am this morning. I recall a real buzz before the start of the match for the club’s last home European semi-final appearance in 2009. In the Champions League versus Manchester United. We’ll briefly move on from what happened when the referee started that game shall we?

Before we move on from the subject of pre-match anticipation though, it has to be said that the Europa League anthem they play when the teams are lined up before the game is a pretty poor cousin to the more stirring Champions League theme… a bit like the competition I guess.

Arsenal went into the match without Mkhitaryan and Xhaka, and in terms of fluency, the former was certainly missed. Welbeck and Elneny came in. Ospina would have played this game under normal circumstances and may have done better than Petr Cech did. The squad is crying out for a new keeper in the summer.

Arsenal’s previous away match, due to the postponement of the Leicester away game, was actually the first leg of the last 16 tie against Milan five weeks ago. But their performance in the first half was more reminiscent of the visit to Brighton the weekend before the San Siro trip. Not one shot of target and a lack of ability to play a decent pass when opportunities near the CSKA goal came about. Mesut Ozil really did not look like he fancied it at all, half-heartedly challenging for the ball with the main aim of avoiding physical contact. His colleagues must look at him and wonder how on earth he is getting such fat wages given his evident lack of commitment to the cause.

Defensively, Arsenal were Arsènal, as they have been for several seasons under Arsène. To think the club once had a reputation for a solid, organized backline. The opening CSKA goal was a litany of errors, as a cross was allowed in, a header at Cech’s goal too easy, and Mustafi letting his man in to tap in home the keeper’s parry. The home crowd’s volume went up a couple of notches and their team started to believe. Aaron Ramsey got away with a handball to save Petr Cech facing a penalty.

At the start of the second half, Elneny seemed to drop back into defence, although the consequence of this was his team being completely swamped in midfield… and another CSKA goal. Plenty of room for a shot from distance, parried out by Cech to an onrushing opponent who slotted the ball home. The Gunners, remember, don’t do rebounds either in attack (or they’d shoot from distance more often rather than play keep ball) or defence (hence two goals conceded last night).

Elneny moved back into midfield and had the ball in the net, only to be flagged offside. Chambers came on for Wilshere as the manager decided he needed more solidity. Jack did not have the best of games. Elneny though, proved to be Arsenal’s savior, with huge contributions to come, making him the team’s standout player.

After 74 minutes, finally, we saw an Arsenal shot on target. And even better, Danny Welbeck, after an intelligent one-two with Elneny, beat the keeper with it to ease the nerves. CSKA now needed a further two goals simply to take the match to extra time. Lacazette was replaced, as he always is, and looked unhappy as Iwobi came on. In fairness to him, there was hardly any supply, very little for him to work with. Iwobi proved hopeless in front of goal, but fortunately the clock was ticking down.

Deep into injury time, Arsenal avoided defeat in the 90 minutes when Elneny sent Ramsey through with just the keeper to beat, and the Welshman finished in style. The scoreline may not have been a reflection of the game, but that won’t concern anyone at the club. The team are in the last four with a serious chance of winning the trophy and the attendant Champions League spot. As Martin Keown put it, “Arsenal have limped through”. He added, “Arsene is a survivor”. Ain’t it the truth?

Looking around at the aggregate scores of the quarter finals, Arsenal’s was 6-3. Marseille went through 5-3. Red Bull Salzburg qualified 6-5 over the two legs, whilst Atletico Madrid went through 2-1. Spot the team with a defence worthy of the name amongst the four semi-finalists.

There is a belief that Arsenal’s best chance against Atletico would come in a one-off final. However, this is a team that, under Diego Simeone, in their previous three European finals, have conceded a total of two goals, not allowing for extra time, and two of those matches were against Real Madrid. As it stands, popular betting sites such as Unibet have the Gunners as 9/4 second favourites for the trophy, with Atletico odds on favourites to win the competition. In a one-off game, Arsenal would need a fair slice of fortune to outscore them. Let’s see what the draw brings anyway. If Atleti were drawn and the first leg is in London, at least we might see a full stadium, something I can’t remember experiencing for a few months at the Emirates. And personally, I’d love to check out the newly built Wanda Metropolitano.

There was an interesting moment during the course of the match. Arsenal failed to make the most of a decent chance when a pass into the CSKA area was overhit and the keeper gobbled it up before the attacking player could reach it (might have been Welbeck or Ramsey, can’t recall). The director showed Arsene’s reaction on the bench. It was real frustration. I think he realizes that unless he fails to win this competition, his time at the club is up. His staff sat alongside him looked hardly reacted at all.

None of this will matter if Arsenal win the trophy. The 2014 FA Cup does not come with an asterisk in the record books that says, lucky to survive against Wigan or might have been 3-0 down in the final before scoring. It’s about progress. The Gunners are through. Two more teams to beat, no requirement to expend any energy in the Premier League and a third European trophy will be theirs. Simple, no?

To end on a lighter note, some texts received from Doktor Schneide over the course of the game last night…

Christ. Wilshere goes down easier than a Reeperbahn oh-la-la girl.

If Ozil was any more disinterested, he’d be asleep.

It was a convincing display. I’m convinced we’re nowhere near winning the competition.

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  1. peter wain

    Apr 16, 2018, 8:09 #108562

    yet again two away matches and both awful performances. Quite why we do not play the centre half we bought in January I do not know. He could hardly be worse than Mustafi or Chambers or Holden. The performance at Newcastle was dire and if we go into next season with minor changes in personal I fear a relegation fight at best. Wenger please go now and take Stan Ivan and the septuganarian board with you.

  2. mbg

    Apr 15, 2018, 23:05 #108561

    markymark, spot on, all those you mention and the rest are as much to blame for this also, although the f*****g halfwits don't think it. We keep hearing how the new man will unite the fans again etc, bollocks they'll never be forgiven (and should never) for the part they've played in this, and if and when things do get up and running again and we've got our respect back and resemble some sort of proper successful team again they should be reminded about it at every opportunity on every occasion. We want wenger out.

  3. mbg

    Apr 15, 2018, 22:28 #108560

    Paulward, spot on, any of those managers, their as good as him (if not better)any day, this tired old who do you get to replace him with shyte is just that, and always has been, you can hear the cry from the AKB wengerite luvvies now every time he or the new man cocks up conveniently forgetting of course their messiah was just as bad if not worse. We want wenger out now.

  4. TOOAW

    Apr 15, 2018, 22:09 #108559

    Yyyyaaaaawwwwwnn.

  5. markymark

    Apr 15, 2018, 20:52 #108558

    Generally thickos are easily bored . Lack of capacity to concentrate . Anyway luckily the site members will never tire of telling you how poor the mediocre man is. If you want some exciting conspiracy theory **** off to Untold where no doubt they’ll blame it on referee conspiracies / flying saucers / new world order.

  6. mad max

    Apr 15, 2018, 20:50 #108557

    tooeey whatever your name is what are your opinions on yet another defeat, do you think mustafi is a good defender?, do you seriously think no one could do a better job than arsene wenger when it comes coaching the team?, i await your answers with abated breath.

  7. TOOAW

    Apr 15, 2018, 20:29 #108556

    Yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnn.

  8. mad max

    Apr 15, 2018, 19:26 #108555

    have to smile at Thierry henry criticising the arsenal defence, no use telling the watching viewers mate go and tell that poor excuse of a manager you obviously worship, you would,nt dare upset your messiah, how on earth can the owner and the spineless cretins on the board allow this decline to continue, we are are watching one of the world,s greatest club,s disappear into oblivion this nonsense should have been dealt with years ago does anybody in the know CARE i,m sure myself and many others do. time to boycott, stop attending march on highbury house lets get active this cancer who goes by the name of wenger has to be removed, then target the board 11 defeats for f--k sake WENGER OUT 2NITE

  9. markymark

    Apr 15, 2018, 19:05 #108554

    ToOaW / Badarse - Benitez is what I’d call a proper manager, not just the European successes but also prepared to manage on extremely limited resources and with a buffoonish owner. Think what he’d do with the resources that Wenger has at his disposal. In fact you could say the same for Dyche. Wenger is appallingly mediocre, a busted flush , old and decrepid , a charlatan of a man . With the salary we offer we could have top, top tier management . Yet you sad old loser Wenger Boyz cling onto your mediocrity .

  10. Paulward

    Apr 15, 2018, 18:42 #108553

    Question everyone . How many more points would Burnley have if they went and signed Koscielny, Ramsey, Ozil , Lacazette and Aubameyang? Quite a few I reckon.

  11. Alsace

    Apr 15, 2018, 17:50 #108552

    Moscow Gooner. Have you by any chance been imbibing the local electric soup? Is there a petition in support of the status quo? You are very privileged. You are an Arsenal Fan. The rest of football is heavily populated by racist violent pissed morons. Make them sit down or throw them out is the practical reality and the aim. In East London the denizens should be handcuffed into position.

  12. markymark

    Apr 15, 2018, 17:37 #108551

    Colesey OAP, ToOaW , Badarse - over 220 years between them, all Wenger Boyz to the day they pop their clogs. None of them attend , all of them clogging up Gods Waiting Room. I bet you Baddie and Colesey are like Wenger , fearing the Grim Reaper the moment he’s told to leave his post. I highly suspect Wengo’s got nothing to fear I fear his coquettish little smile will still be on his face in his nineties.

  13. John F

    Apr 15, 2018, 17:30 #108550

    If the table was just based on away games Arsenal would be 12th just 3points above Brighton in the relegation zone. In the excuses table Arsenal would be top.

  14. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 15, 2018, 17:06 #108549

    The season George got the sack we finished 12th 38 points behind Blackburn! Last home game will be interesting now Burnley to win and finish above us. The board and wenger out.

  15. Paulward

    Apr 15, 2018, 16:50 #108548

    Bard, I dread to think. Was it that wretched mid seventies team that only secured division one status late in the 74-75 season.? Make no mistake this is an awful mess, boy are the years of complacency coming home to roost now. Sean Dyche anyone ? ( two points behind Wenger on a tenth of the budget)

  16. Bard

    Apr 15, 2018, 16:43 #108547

    Another shocker. Another clueless defensive display. How has the game in Russia got anything to do with it ? He made 7 changes to the team that played there. The only thing missing was a rant against the referee. Roll on AM. Incidentally how many seasons is it since we were 34 points behind the league leaders ?

  17. mbg

    Apr 15, 2018, 15:52 #108546

    John F, of course it will mate, you could recite the excuses of by heart, the coward was even complaining about it (tiredness) yesterday nothing like getting your excuses in early, and we know who will be following suit, poor little pampered nice boys tired, aw diddum's, back down to earth with a sore arse, again, you'd think some would be used to it by now. wenger out.

  18. Paulward

    Apr 15, 2018, 15:28 #108545

    One win in TEN against the bottom ten in the PL. 3 wins in 16 away games. Can somebody rescue us from this insipid rubbish . Go now Wenger you are a disgrace. Sick to death of being soft touches . Give me the AFC of McLintock, O Leary and Adams back NOW! Pride in the jersey , where is it? Wouldn’t piss on this lot if they were on fire.

  19. John F

    Apr 15, 2018, 15:23 #108544

    Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to get an away point in 2018.The Wenger excuse after this game will be tiredness, conveniently forgetting all the other away games we have failed to compete.

  20. mbg

    Apr 15, 2018, 13:23 #108543

    What's this ? Arsenal not at home after such a big European game, something fishy going on there. wenger out.

  21. markymark

    Apr 15, 2018, 13:15 #108542

    Toad your as genuine as a watch with Rolex made in Taiwan on the label. If you really are as old as your trying to make out why did you hate Arsenal so much prior to Wenger and no so little ? You write like an uneducated teenager which is why people keep on referring to you living in an attic probably baled out by your mother . It appears a sad life for you . Personally I’d take any kit as long as it had the proper canon on it. We still play in blue now so like many things you say. I really don’t know what you’re getting at. Now please as Arsene’s Wenger Boyz can you at least give the good readers an assurance that you and Baddie ( Momentum man) are going to watch Arsenal v Westham . You are both going aren’t you?

  22. Moscowgooner

    Apr 15, 2018, 12:38 #108541

    Please get behind the safe standing petition: 53,000 and counting! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/207040

  23. TOOAW

    Apr 15, 2018, 9:56 #108540

    Nark. Been to more Arsenal games than you've had hot dinners fella. You were 'probably' in nappies when my time was spent on the North Bank. I'll let you keep making the assumptions. Green and blue..... What a colour eh.

  24. markymark

    Apr 15, 2018, 8:49 #108539

    ToOaW - judging by your comments you didn’t support Arsenal prior to Wenger. You sound like you hated Arsenal? Obviously if you we’re in your Chicago Bears period then apart from a vague liking for Hoddle, Waddle that’s fine . For the rest of us we are able to compare the Arsenal of then to now . Have a look at YouTube Spuds v Arsenal semi finals . Have a look at the support , spend some time educating yourself then you might have a differing view. Just to ask . I know that you and Baddie are super, super Arsene supporters. So please tell me your going to Arsenal v Westham? Toad you and Baddie, you are going aren’t you ?

  25. Bard

    Apr 15, 2018, 8:46 #108538

    Exiled; I don't think the semi final outcome is about next season but about whether he gets a new 2 year contract. I think he is more likely to be here next season than not but the question is about the season after. If he wins the Europa cup you can put your mortgage on him getting a new contract. Thats why Im with mbg on this one. We need to get stuffed by AM, the worst outcome from this scenario is 1 more season.

  26. Moscowgooner

    Apr 15, 2018, 7:23 #108537

    TOOAW - mid table, average at best, awful support, empty stadium, garish away strips - all sounds very familiar (and very current) doesn't it?? (At least we had a real cannon on the shirt in the mid '80s - not a crayon Disneyesque version... ). I have to hope we win the Europa. I would love to be there to see us actually lift a European trophy having missed out on 1994 and remembering the pain of Brussels 1980. But if we crash out to Athletico in the semi - the Burnley game should see us do a 'West Ham'. 60,000 in the ground, there to demand change. It's the only way it will happen - 1966, 1983 and.....?

  27. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 15, 2018, 0:26 #108536

    Mbg i will take the loss if it means he goes but i just dont see that happening, this is the club that continue to employ him after the humiliation by Man ure 8-2, Liverpool 5-1 Chelski 6-0 Man city 6-3 Munich in the CL 10-2 on agg,not forgetting Fa cup this year to Forest 4-2 City in the league cup 3-0. So i do not see losing now in the EL will suddenly make them see what we all clearly have been seeing for years!! He has to go but do not expect a new dawn until the owner and the board have gone too. The board and Wenger out

  28. mbg

    Apr 14, 2018, 23:47 #108535

    Exiled, fair enough about getting moist, and I do see and hear where your coming from, but a stuffing, humiliation, embarrassment a lose, call it what we like, in the semi will certainly be a step closer to his demise, there's a far far better chance of it, a win ? even then a lose in the final (let alone winning it) will most definitely get him a new contract of that there can be no doubt, fans who want him out and i'm glad to see your one of them have to ask themselves do we want him out or not, because like I sais in my previous we all know the consequences. wenger out.

  29. Alsace

    Apr 14, 2018, 22:31 #108534

    I saw brief highlights on YouTube and The creature looked genuinely distressed at 0 - 2. Most enjoyable. How envious I am of the person or persons who get to actually sack him. Like all persons of his type he will have the gravest difficulty in understanding what is happening to him,

  30. TOOAW

    Apr 14, 2018, 21:46 #108533

    Apologies for that Cornish. It's an open church but if you want me to bow down and kiss your A then that's not going to happen. Feel free to ignore which you clearly can't do. My point being is Support the red and white whilst in the last 4 of a European competition. Not rocket science eh. 1 out of 10 for supporting the Arsenal fella.

  31. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 14, 2018, 20:26 #108532

    Mbg i am far from getting moist over a win in the EL. I have said he should of gone in 2008 and have said it ever since. You are kidding yourself if you think this regime will get rid of him before his contract runs out, they will not sack him whatever happens in the EL or the league. Do you honestly think that the season ticket holders who are not using there seats at the moment are not going to renew those season tickets in June even if Le fraud is still in charge. You keep on about Wenger out and i agree but we need a clean sweep that is the owner and the board who sold us down the river! As mediocre is good enough for the yank to make his money. The sooner some realise that the better. So win or lose it will not alter anything. We are almost singing from the same hymn book, so if you want to get all moist thinking a loss will get rid of him your as daft as me! Once again THE BOARD AND WENGER OUT

  32. CORNISH GOONER

    Apr 14, 2018, 20:13 #108531

    TOOAW. I can ignore your stupid posts which are obviously meant as a "wind up" for the majority on here. However, your appalling grammar & punctuation are something else. Please attend to it boy. Could do better - marks 2/10 for effort only.

  33. TOOAW

    Apr 14, 2018, 19:20 #108530

    It's a total embarrassment that some Gooners wish for us to get beat in a tournament that we are now into the last 4. But heyho, it's the fickle bunch of OG nevertheless. Give em their Arsenal back Arsene....... The one that was mid table, average at best, awful support, fickle, green and blue away strip, losers.

  34. mbg

    Apr 14, 2018, 18:36 #108529

    Exiled, I don't believe that at all, you and others can believe that and kid your self if you like but not me, a stuffing in the semi could well be his death kneel and see the final nail in the old weasels coffin, whether that's the end of this season or next, but bring it a hell of a lot closer even than it is now, but most definitely what a win will do is give him another contract, for another season or even two, i'd say two especially if he wins it, that would see him here for another three seasons with carte blanch to do what he liked with all his power back (who'd dare speak or come out against him?) two more years or more to carry on exactly the same way he's doing, nothing would suddenly change you know, regardless of a final appearance, or winning it, a European trophy that has suddenly become important to the old fraud and even more important to him and his wengerites if we won it, a European trophy under wenger so f*****g what he doesn't deserve one, it's not that we haven't already got one, it suddenly won't make us world beaters, so just remember that if that were to happen, like I said it will change nothing. So when you and others are getting all moist about a trophy remember the consequences, we'll remember what you and others said when we're starting two or three more seasons with the old weasel doing exactly what he likes with his power back with his couple of regulation buys every season doing it his way, with the lies and spin excuses etc, etc, along with his embarrassments and humiliations bringing the club down even more every season, no you might think you can but you can't have it both ways. We want wenger out.

  35. Jock Gooner

    Apr 14, 2018, 13:26 #108528

    mbg is quite right we cannot afford to be sidetracked by the also rans euro pot if we want TOF gone. Here's the rub, if we did win the bloody thing he isn't going to go out on a high and he won't go at the end of the current deal NO, the old ****er will be angling for a new improved longer term deal. **** that for a game of soldiers, come on AM.

  36. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 14, 2018, 12:07 #108527

    Mbg, i want the board and le fraud out. Winning or losing in the EL will not affect the zip fiddler's position!If we had gone out in the group stages along with the rest of how the season has gone, we may well of seen the back of him at last but even then i still doubt it would of happened. Losing in a semi final and season ticket holders who have already paid for the seat they sit in not turning up is not going to get Wenger out before his contract runs out! So i want Arsenal to win it, the difference is i will not be upset if we do not, as plenty have said before it just does not hurt or mean as much now due to how much i hate the board and wenger. The board and wenger out.

  37. GoonerRon

    Apr 14, 2018, 10:53 #108526

    @ mbg - I think the challenge for some supporters is that whilst wanting a change of manager it’s difficult to not want the club to succeed when we get within a sniff of a trophy (especially a European trophy where we’ve not exactly been prolific in our history). For me, I don’t want to win the Europa league for Wenger, I want to win it because the game is about glory (EVERY ex-player I’ve ever heard talk has said it’s all about the medals you win), and for Sanellhi and Mislintat (and potentially a new Head Coach) to strengthen the squad CL income will help massively. Ultimately, it will be on Arsenal FC’s roll of honour long after Wenger is gone. Also, there’s probably a slight feeling of helplessness at genuinely being able to prompt change so why not just enjoy it while we’re in it.

  38. mbg

    Apr 14, 2018, 1:04 #108525

    We've all slagged wenger off and have said over and over we want him out, but it's that time again and some seem to be getting nostalgic (again) do we want him out or not ? We can't have it both ways. wenger out.

  39. mbg

    Apr 14, 2018, 0:52 #108524

    SKG 1, maybe that's why TOF treated it with distain he knew it was our level (having taken us there)and he'd be under pressure to compete, with no excuses, unlike the CL, where there's always plenty TOF, and his wengerites, have found himself in that position now, nowhere to hide but you can sure there'll still be excuses when needed. wenger out.

  40. jwe1981

    Apr 13, 2018, 19:18 #108522

    An interesting poll for The Gooner to run might be: Who wants Arsenal to win over two legs against Athletico and who wants Arsenal to lose in the hope that it might force Arsene out of the door? I for one have wanted Arsenal to lose every tie in Europe this season and was willing Danny to miss that pen against Milan.

  41. John F

    Apr 13, 2018, 17:42 #108520

    Wengers devils luck is in play,just read that Costa has a suspected hamstring injury and may miss Arsenal clash.

  42. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 13, 2018, 17:37 #108519

    Highbury Boy - trust me I actually queued and paid through the turnstiles at the East Stand Worcester Avenue, so did 2 of my mates the other two never made it.

  43. Highbury Boy

    Apr 13, 2018, 17:20 #108517

    Seven Kings post 114337: I'm sure I've still got the counterfoil to my ticket in the stands for the '71 WHL match. I think it's with my programme somewhere. Best match EVER.

  44. Yes its Ron

    Apr 13, 2018, 16:52 #108516

    Here goes. Im nailing down my prediction lads. 1st Leg 2 - 1 Arsenal. 2nd leg 1 - 1. Gunners to go through. Judge me in May!!

  45. Gaz

    Apr 13, 2018, 16:41 #108515

    Far too many people assuming we're going to lose this tie which worries the **** out of me! Remember last season when we drew City in the FA Cup SF?

  46. GoonerRon

    Apr 13, 2018, 16:34 #108514

    Glad to be in the hat but it’s certainly the worst draw we could have hoped for. Still, got to beat them all to win the thing. Can’t wait, should be a fascinating tie.

  47. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 13, 2018, 16:32 #108513

    The beauty of this tie is that finally there is some real pressure on Arsenal football club to succeed, because this competition is at our level. This is not a CL tie where we can claim to be punching above our weight or be grateful that Arsene keeps getting us into the top four so we can get paid lots of dosh by the TV companies. This is were we have really been for the last 10 years and now we have to get past a very good team with a manager who will prod all Arsenal's weaknesses for 180 minutes. AM are an excellent team but are still at our level and there will be no place for anyone at AFC to run and hide, they will have to stand up and be counted because many of them will be playing for their futures. The EL for Arsenal, represents for the first time in a very long time a real honesty about our place in football and I for one welcome that position. We are now firmly in the second level of Premier League football and competing for the EL is level the management and players are now at. One thing though, if Arsene does manage to win the Europa League then he will at last get the trophy, he has always wittered on about for finishing in fourth place.

  48. Bard

    Apr 13, 2018, 16:22 #108512

    So we get AM. I think we have a better chance over 2 legs but our defence is so poor that I cant see us getting through. Over 2 legs the away goals really count and you cant imagine we can keep a clean sheet at home even if we win the game. Part of me hopes we stuffed if it means Wenger calls it a day.

  49. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Apr 13, 2018, 15:41 #108511

    Oh dear poor Arsene. Simeone and Atletico, a proper manager and proper team. Here's where our messiahs luck runs out and not before time

  50. TonyEvans

    Apr 13, 2018, 15:28 #108509

    Hi Ron - If we get past Athletico I will be totally gobsmacked. Costa and Griezmann against our 'defence' (although I use that term in the lightest possible sense!) Also AM do not give away cheap goals so I don't see us fluking it. As Seven Kings so rightly says it is a battle between the past and the hopeful, brighter future - out of date Wenger v Simeione, who seems like an updated version of George Graham to me, and would be welcomed by most of us older types at Arsenal with open arms! I really think Wenger's future may well hang on this one match, and if his end comes via a beating from his potential successor there will be a delicious irony to it all!

  51. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 13, 2018, 15:20 #108508

    Mark, there were no tickets for WHL in 71 - first come first served. Never would that happen today, not in a million years, good job too of course but had it had been an all ticket affair then I would have had no chance getting in, unless of course, the last resort, the tout.

  52. 1971 Gooner

    Apr 13, 2018, 15:18 #108507

    Ozil - bloody hell. He makes Cary Grant look hyperactive at times. A bit like David Gower in the ‘80s, when he’s good he’s great but it seems he gets bored against run of the mill opposition (that’s when he turns up). Maybe football is too easy for him at times?

  53. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 13, 2018, 14:10 #108506

    I am really looking forward to the games with AM, two totally different footballing teams and two managers, one who would be my first choice and the other who I wish would call it a day. Whoever wins it may remain or become our new manager - the matches will be a bit like a job interview.

  54. Goonhogday

    Apr 13, 2018, 13:34 #108504

    Athletico are a dangerous, disciplined team. Arsenal can’t just show up and play Wengerball against them. Somehow, I doubt we’ll do our homework on them though. Wenger out.

  55. mbg

    Apr 13, 2018, 12:43 #108503

    Were Arsenal playing last night ? wenger out.

  56. Bob Bayliss

    Apr 13, 2018, 12:09 #108502

    No hiding place. We'll judge him in April.

  57. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 13, 2018, 11:15 #108501

    Think we have a better chance of beating Athletico over 2 legs than in the final so draw is probably best outcome. The board and Wenger out.

  58. markymark

    Apr 13, 2018, 11:14 #108500

    It’s.............Athletico!!!!!

  59. Yes its Ron

    Apr 13, 2018, 11:08 #108499

    We can win this, despite the haphazard team and the mixed performances Kev. I thought some months back that Europa success or failure wouldn't impact upon Arsenes future, but getting deeper into the tournament creates expectation and pressure that im sure he doesn't really like and evenless so, i doubt he likes the precedence being given to a tourny hes so often more or less ignored in the past. It could be the straw that breaks the camels back, but lets be honest, its the decade or so of decline that might end his tenure and not our prospects in this tourny. Arsene Wenger and the fans should enjoy it while it lasts. I still think AM will prevail though and maybe they deserve to after their Euro exploits under Simeone in recent years. The EL is a good comp in my view. I d trade in a good number of those years we used to qualify for the ECL in return for a few less years in it, plus 2 or 3 EL titles on the clubs CV over the Wenger years. Looking back, i think in time he would too.