Poor Defending Costs Arsenal at Newcastle

Online Ed: Mix and match side continue woeful domestic away record



Poor Defending Costs Arsenal at Newcastle


First up, I cannot get too excited either way about what is effectively a meaningless game. Premier League fixtures of late (and going forward until the end of the current season) have as much importance as pre-season friendlies. Nice when Arsenal win (generally at home), disappointing when they don’t (usually away) but there is an element of ‘so what?’ about the whole thing. Attendances at the home games reflect this. Apathy is worse than anger, but that’s where we’re at right now.

If Arsenal do not win the Europa League this season, they will qualify for next season’s competition unless two things happen -
1. Burnley leapfrog Arsenal into 6th place
2. Southampton win the FA Cup

I think you’d get decent odds on that particular double. And Arsène Wenger’s team selection for the trip to St James’s Park reflected that. Reiss Nelson got a start last weekend, and yesterday it was the turn of Joe Willock. Hector Bellerin and Laurent Koscielny were absent from the first choice back four (Holding and Chambers given a run out). Elneny and Willock started in place of Ramsey and Wilshere, and Alex Iwobi came in for Mesut Ozil. There has been so much rotation of players for domestic games lately, I’ve lost track of who is being rested and who is injured.

Still, it should have been a good enough eleven to get a result against a side that were in the relegation mix until the last couple of weeks. And Arsenal started well, with an excellent goal fashioned by Mustafi and Aubameyang, before being converted by Lacazette. On this evidence, the latter two could work in the same starting eleven. On another day Lacazette might have scored a couple more.

There were six changes from starting eleven in Moscow, so using that game as mitigation is not going to wash. Joe Willock tried hard, but when he had a clear opportunity to score skewed his attempt well wide, mis-hitting the ball. Arsenal had by far and away the most possession, but their hosts did more with the ball.

The first Newcastle goal saw Mustafi caught by surprise at the near post, ball watching. There is a lack of awareness about opposition players around him that is a concern. The second goal, after the interval was a comedy of errors which ended with a spare player on the back post to slot home the chance. After the game, Arsene Wenger pointed to “Unbelievable mistakes in the defence for the two goals.” Looking at so many of the conceded goals this season, what’s not to believe?

It means every away trip in the league in the current calendar year has ended in defeat. Add the FA Cup trip to Forest and the Carabao Cup Final, and away from the Emirates, the only saving grace against domestic opposition was the 0-0 semi-final first leg at Chelsea. Europe has provided a different story, and the only feasible explanation would seem to be the motivation of the players for those games. They believe they have a chance of a trophy, so put in more focused effort. Not certain that will be the case at the Wanda Metropolitano in early May, but time will tell.

Before that, Arsenal will travel to Old Trafford (between the two semi-final games) and doubtless put out a similar line-up to the one seen yesterday. What chance another scoreline akin to that August 2011 nightmare that should have seen the club change manager after five trophyless seasons and several indications he had lost the ability to build a winning team? Leicester and Huddersfield are the other away games that will complete the domestic travels. Coud we be looking at eight consecutive Premier League defeats on the road? If Arsene continues to play weakened teams, you can’t rule it out. Can we blame him for resting players though? His priority is the Europa League, and his job probably depends upon winning it.

That does not excuse the poor display by the players that turned out at Newcastle yesterday, even allowing for the mix and match selection, and certainly isn’t going to bump up the crowd at next weekend’s home match against West Ham. I really can’t see this ending very well at all. Arsène could have gone out on a high last season, but with no Champions League this campaign he fancied his chances of one last title tilt. I doubt there is anyone outside his Totteridge abode who still believes he will ever deliver one of those again. And by all accounts, he lives alone these days…

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  1. ClockEnd_90

    Apr 17, 2018, 14:08 #108609

    BigNoseGooner - sixth is the new fourth. Absolutely spot on. Are you the legendary Big Nose from the old Clock End, High-bur-y?

  2. markymark

    Apr 17, 2018, 12:19 #108603

    Bard - it also depends a little bit on our future sponsors. The Addidas board I believe have been known to comment on the potential trophy winning capacity of clubs. Arsenal will be looking for the 2nd biggest sponsorship deal in the domestic league. If Arsenal get the feeling our options are very limited then money starts talking outside of the usual flows from the TV deal. Anyway let’s hope whether it be 3 months or 15 months that the end is drawing close

  3. Yes its Ron

    Apr 17, 2018, 10:09 #108600

    Hi Bard - theres very much an element of that 'challenge' isnt there. Its very subtle and understated the way he does it. Hes clever Arsene. It must be his backstop approach as his relationship with SK has never shown any need for him to challenge him but its certainly there i think. Very arrogant really, yet with where Arsenal are now, its ironically the case that the club could struggle to get higher profile than AW. He now sort of stands to strengthen his position by dint of his own work in contributing to the clubs decline! Its laughable really as SKG says.

  4. Bard

    Apr 17, 2018, 9:56 #108599

    Markym, I read that. I wouldn't take too much notice of that line of argument. It would be very easy to spin this season as a glitch in an otherwise glittering career. Add in the 'we need a couple of players to be contenders' argument and it is easy to see another year or two. I think the outcome depends on where Arsenal are in relation to Stans other investments. He is up to his eyeballs with the new US football stadium, does he want a period of instability in one of his blue chip investments? Why not let it run for another season and see what happens. He can always sack him if it goes pear shaped. Wenger seems to be of the mind that he is staying. Is he challenging the board to sack him if they dare?

  5. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 17, 2018, 9:24 #108598

    I am now at the laughter stage of my near 10 year fall out with Em*rates Arsenal. Arsene's post match summaries after a defeat are a scream, he has perfected this brilliant manner of talking about the team as if it's not really his doing that they keep losing, I think his next tact will be that it is outside forces at work. He reminds me of Vincent Price in the "Fall of the house of Usher" as he staggers from room to room telling his visitor that "the house is dying" bit like Arsenal really, Arsenal is dying under his and Kronke's guidance but it is not their fault, they have been cursed. One day perhaps like the house of Usher, the Emirates will shudder and shake as the ground opens up and swallows it whole, hopefully taking all traces of the new Arsenal with it.

  6. markymark

    Apr 17, 2018, 6:34 #108597

    ‘Low attendances at the Emirates Stadium could force Arsene Wenger out as concerns grow among hierarchy’ - this was in the Mail Online. An appeal to the Wengerboyz yes ToOaW , Badarse , Westie , Colesey , this is your Arsene , you are the No.1# Fanboyz . Arsene is in deep trouble . I know Westie you last went in 1967, Baddie needs directing to the Emirates (also never been) but Boy’z You’ve got to go against Westham. Baddie can alter his old Mugabe ZANU banners and off you go . Tooaw , you are going aren’t you? C’mon ToOaW you must be going surely?

  7. mbg

    Apr 16, 2018, 23:09 #108596

    No sign of the odd balls tonight, I suppose the pubs aren't slopping out yet. wenger out.

  8. mbg

    Apr 16, 2018, 22:58 #108595

    No Parasan, the fool would have been baffled if we'd have won. lol. wenger out.

  9. CORNISH GOONER

    Apr 16, 2018, 20:07 #108594

    The match itself wasn't "top. top, qualitee" by any stretch of the imagination. imo. City, 'Pool &, gulp, Spurs are miles ahead at present - all 3 well coached & looking like proper teams. Man U are the exception for me as they have the same issue of having a supreme, past it, egotist in charge. I also like Rafa who isn't given enough credit for his professionalism. But PL football in cahoots with a fawning MSM is very sick & in that climate it's very easy for the likes of Wengo to survive. Myles Palmer is not a favourite of mine but he likes to think he has informants giving him insider lowdown - his post today on OGL's temper tantrums is fun! But I've really had enough after decades of supporting L'Arse & if the old fool continues, as most people seem to think, then a sabbatical from my Club it will have to be - c'mon Diego!!

  10. mbg

    Apr 16, 2018, 18:20 #108593

    Obviously I forgot to include, because of a trophy, in my last post. wenger out.

  11. mbg

    Apr 16, 2018, 17:35 #108592

    How anyone, anyone, would want or like more of that, and wenger, and everything that goes with him embarrassments, humiliations etc, etc, etc,,for two, possibly three more years (because that's exactly what we're going to get make no mistake about it) that he and his wengerites treated with distain for years just so we can say we have won ????is fooking completely beyond me it really is, Sad i'd say. wenger out now.

  12. Exiled in Pt

    Apr 16, 2018, 17:21 #108591

    Ron, Rafa is a good shout but there is no way Wenger would agree to a manager of his stature taking over at the club! My personal opinion is le fraud will see out his contract no matter what happens in the EL and that he will have the deciding vote on who takes his place in 2019/2020 season, when he steps upstairs. As has been said already he and the wig wearer are as thick as thieves! The next manager / coach will be an up and coming who has achieved nothing so far and Wenger can then take the credit if by chance they get it right on the pitch. I have said it before our problems are far bigger than just Wenger we need the whole lot out and unfortunately i do not see it happening any time soon... The board and Wenger out

  13. mbg

    Apr 16, 2018, 17:03 #108590

    Poor defending and because of an even poorer fooking manager. We want wenger out now.

  14. Radfordkennedy

    Apr 16, 2018, 16:52 #108589

    Ron..Tony..1971..Yeah i can see Benitez being a good shout,and its only the prestige(for want of a better expresion)of being Arsenals manager that may attract him,it certainly wont be the quality of playing staff he'll have to work with.By the time AW walks away giggling with all the plunder,RB will be nudging 60,will he fancy a complete rebuild?after having done something similar at the Toon.I'll be honest even some of our alleged star signings are 'so what'players for me and that includes Auba and Laca,Mustafi and Chambers actually scare me when they play,and the look on Kos's face when Moscow got their 2nd,he looked like Tommy Hearns when Hagler hit him on the chin,a leader of men he isnt.Xhaka and Iwobi i really dont know what they do to be honest.Young Nelson looks a good prospect but i fear his potential could be strangled by AW,any good manager should tell Nelson 'if you come back in this dressing room and there's no white paint on the soles of your boots ,i'll fine you a weeks wages'but i saw the poor lad wandering around recently seeming unsure of what he was supposed to be doing,drifting in and out.as i said i hope the draw of being our manager can still entice,but its going to be one hell of a job to turn this team back into challengers,at least there wont be any of the 'following Botham to the crease'scenario that followed Fergies departure,AW has run the club and his reputation into the ground,so there is no level to live upto

  15. !No Pasaran!

    Apr 16, 2018, 16:05 #108588

    Wenger ‘baffled’ as to how we lost... !!?? Having seen that same defeat about 60 times over the last 10-12 years, he’s ‘baffled’ Winning this tin-pot trophy we’re still in (until we play AM) will not do us any favours in terms of getting rid of this charlatan.

  16. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 15:55 #108587

    1971 - agree with you matey. Its a travesty but its the new football climate isnt it and such as us have a problem with it. The new youngsters seems accepting of it as they've not seen differently i suppose. AFC is a transformed animal for sure to what it always was.

  17. peter wain

    Apr 16, 2018, 15:53 #108586

    I do not care who we get it so long as they spend lost of money on lost of quality players. We badly need quality defenders and midfield players. Not just one or two but at least ten and they have to be top top quality something this manager does not recognise. As he bought the only Brazilian who could not trap a bag of cement Wenger is not capable of doing the job and neither are the scouts when you see what we buy and at what price.

  18. 1971 Gooner

    Apr 16, 2018, 15:15 #108585

    Fair shout Ron; I guess I'm struggling to finally admit or come to terms with the fact that all that emotional investment in being a Gooner for over 40 years is now reduced to numbers on a balance sheet. 'We've got by far the greatest depreciation cost journal entry the world has ever seen' doesn't quite get the heart pumping in the same way does it?

  19. TonyEvans

    Apr 16, 2018, 14:41 #108584

    Ron - I would have no problem in accepting Benitez as a replacement for Wenger. Mind you I would take just about anybody now! I have always rated Benitez - he has European pedigree, does not dismiss defending as something he needn't bother with too much and, with a decent budget behind him, could be just the ticket for Arsenal. We could certainly do a lot worse.

  20. Exeter Ex

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:46 #108583

    Extraordinary, unique situation at Arsenal, the way that defence is neglected year after year, the manager simply not interested. When asked about it after the game; "It's baffling... we need to forget about it and move on". He just doesn't want to know, and isn't going to let anyone do the work required either. Bizarre, and proof he's not about the football but the power. Who know what it'll take to make him walk, we can hope results have some effect but it may simply be he and Kroenke have their own private agreement he's manager as long as he wants, no matter what. Seems strange and illogical but it could be the case.

  21. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:42 #108582

    redshirts - wenger/SK axis. Very, very strong as you rightly say. Always close body language when you see them together. Almost unbreakable and its why nobody will force change on AFC. There must be some Boardroom misgivings some where, but in the face of that axis they probably see no point in breaking rank over it for fear of repercussions. Many Boardrooms are sterile.

  22. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:33 #108581

    The only team in top 4 divisions with zero points away from home in 2018, losing 5 away games on the spin for first time since 1984. There's a reality check for anyone that's been fooled by our recent winning run against cannon fodder. Any other top club would be getting a new manager in but I'll bet any money the old git is still here next season and beyond, regardless of what happens in the Europa league. Kroenke and Wenger are the pair from hell for anyone wanting sporting success for arsenal, but they see in each other the perfect partnership. This purgatory, apathy, boring limbo we are all in will run and run for some time yet

  23. Goonhogday

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:28 #108580

    Poor defending costs Arsenal ... we’ve been here before haven’t we!? The only way Arsenal will get to the EL final is by “ some miracle “ the coaching staff and first team ignore Wenger and work on some tactics behind his back! Wenger out

  24. BigNoseGooner

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:22 #108579

    sixth is the new fourth

  25. TonyEvans

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:09 #108578

    Hi Ron - you may well be right. Our excuse for a board will probably keep Wenger on come what may - at least to see out his final year. I'm just hoping a bad loss to Madrid might just tip the balance. Bob - if we were dealing with any top club other than Arsenal I would agree with you, but even a losing appearance in the EL final could be excuse enough to keep Wenger on. It also buys him time and keeps the season alive for that much longer - basically it will keep the heat off of him and that is not something I want to see at all.

  26. MAF

    Apr 16, 2018, 13:05 #108577

    it could not be more depressing right now to be an Arsenal fan. we are most of the time toothless pathetic weaklings that do not represent the true Arsenal. wenger has slaughtered this Club for his own personal ego needs. unforgiveable. hes given ''mesut Im'ill'' and ''Rams-knee ligament'' a Major rest right now praying that they will come right against athletico; thats the extent of his tactics

  27. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 12:52 #108576

    Tony - respect as ever Tony, but to be honest i dont think the EC has much of a bearing on things and decisions simply because of the perceptions of it in the UK. Its seen as a means to an end really and i still think AW doesn't really get too buoyed by it. He never has. For my part, ive never supported the arrogant view that clubs here give it. Its a good euro cup in my opinion esp for those clubs like Arsenal who have no CL or European Cup pedigree. The driving forces behind the AW issue is no top 4 CL qualifying status and the falling gates plus the fan apathy you mention, not to mention the clear tepid player attitudes to certain games. I agree totally with you that the club has let things fester very badly, but the EC is for the fans now i think or at least those of them who still rate the EC. I get the feeling that AW will see his contract out anyway and that all that will happen is that the club will announce they're active in seeking his replacement during next Season.

  28. Bob Bayliss

    Apr 16, 2018, 12:33 #108575

    I would like to think we will see him off in the summer provided we fail to win the Europa League. Surely the bottom line is that a sixth place finish and failure to qualify for the Champions' League for the second successive season is evidence beyond all reasonable doubt that he is finished. Why anyone thinks that a glorious result against Atletico which was followed by defeat in the final to Marseille or the Austrian shower would save him beggars belief.

  29. TonyEvans

    Apr 16, 2018, 12:24 #108574

    Hi Ron - if Arsenal get to the EL final I'll be rooting for them, as I reckon Wenger will be staying anyway by that stage. Not the semi though as I really do think this is a chance to finally see the end of the tyrant. Could be way off beam but that is my gut feeling. The very fact that supporters going back damn nearly 50 years are being made to feel this way is a terribly sad indictment on the club.

  30. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 12:15 #108573

    Just thought id mention again, given the loss at St James's and again at risk of again being slaked off, but Rafa Benitez remains a top Coach and is one who could be tempted by AFC and at 58 today would in my view be ideal for Arsenels needs in rebuilding and getting its strength back again. Hes a top tactician, puts defending high on his priorities and harnesses his teams well plus good players want to play for him. I ll get my tin hat on, but can Arsenal get better? I know ive mentioned him before, but just thought it worth recycling.

  31. peter wain

    Apr 16, 2018, 12:04 #108572

    lets face it we have a very weak squad with no defenders who have any ability at all. Willock looked out of his depth but you cannot balame a 19 debutant. You can balmce the people who sepnt £35 million on one of the worst and slowest centrwe halves and the same people who sepnt £35 million on a swiss holding midfield player neither of whom look premiership class. The first goal was the same as Southampton the previous week. The second goal is one we concede for the last 10 seasons. Clearly we need a lot of change in the summer. At least ten players need to be bought and it would be nice if the defenders we buy could run. However under this manager and owner the chanes of us doing that are small. Wiltshire will do on a free Cazorla is probably finished and can any one see Ramsey signing a new contract. Wenger please go now and take Stan Ivan the old board and all of the useless coaches and scouts with you.

  32. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 11:52 #108571

    Bard - maybe the press are as bored with the repetition of it all as the supporters are? I hear what you're saying but i still hope we can win the EC. The match going fans at least deserve some thing for their efforts, especially those who go away regularly, perhaps not so much the home mannequins.

  33. TonyEvans

    Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 #108570

    I have to agree with Bard - if we want to see the end of Wenger we have simply got to hope we get stuffed out of sight by Athletico. If we somehow fluke it to the final then I reckon (win or lose) that will be enough to keep the parasite in his job for at least another year, in addition to next season. Surely a spanking at the hands of Madrid, coupled with the appalling form in the Premiership must be enough, even for our pathetic excuse for a board, to finally act and rid the club of Wenger.

  34. Bard

    Apr 16, 2018, 10:59 #108569

    Extraordinary apathy from the press. Even they aren't shocked any more by the shocking away form. What is striking is how little outrage there is that the 5/6th richest club in the world are performing like a mid table rabble. I dont believe for one minute that they have a cat in hells chance of beating AM. With a defence like that AM are going to score goals. I dont say this lightly but we need to get spanked by AM to be rid of Wenger.

  35. markymark

    Apr 16, 2018, 10:36 #108568

    Is Wenger suddenly had a reality check? 'But it didn't work and I have to be realistic enough to say that maybe our balance offensively and defensively doesn't work.' Surely after the worst record away for any team in the league. 5 defeats in a row away and Wenger saying he can’t balance the team. That has to be sackable ? Any club but ours of course.

  36. Moscowgooner

    Apr 16, 2018, 10:33 #108567

    The apathy around the club is appalling at the moment. Sure, there is a sense of disenchantment with the Premiership generally - overpriced rubbish on view mostly - but that feeling is exacerbated by the total indifference and disdain shown towards the support at Arsenal. To be scrapping with Burnley for sixth place....??! Wenger's sole preoccupation seems to be with looting the club to the maximum before he goes. But let's assume the old fraud stays (to be forever reviled in Arsenal's history) I think that finally this Summer the mass of season ticket holders will turn. So look to an average gate of below 30 K next season - vast empty spaces at a graveyard of a stadium as we slide another couple of rungs down the ladder. How will that play with our sponsors? How will that play with prospective signings? The next generation of supporters? (And watch our support in Asia and other parts of the world shrivel away to Ipswich Town type levels ... )

  37. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 10:31 #108566

    1971 - a bit surprised that you need another season from Arsene to underline that really. Revenue over football has been the priority since the ground shift. For me though, the 8-2 at OT was the catalyst. Not a murmur made by anybody (or AW) officially after that horrible slaughtering. That impressed the Clubs real message upon me.

  38. 1971 Gooner

    Apr 16, 2018, 10:25 #108565

    We’ve got Burnley in a few weeks; all aboard for the sixth place trophy final. If Wenger stays next season, Europa League win or otherwise, it will be final proof that The Arsenal is no longer primarily a sporting venture but a business one.

  39. RobG

    Apr 16, 2018, 9:59 #108564

    Cup competitions are very nice and it would be really special to win our third European trophy. But even if that happens, the case for change is tant amount to unanswerable. Gazedis's famous quote about 'emulating Bayern...we're not there yet !' - he concluded with wondrous irony, has morphed into an EPL fight with Burnley for Sixth place. Unless the ambition of the Board is to best Burnley, they have to bring in the one change we haven't yet had. We've changed players, tactics, formations, stadium, shirts, kit sponsors ; you name it. There's only one change yet to be made. And it's the vital one.

  40. Yes its Ron

    Apr 16, 2018, 9:57 #108563

    Pretty tedious isnt it. To be fair though, its been that type of Season i think. The title 'race' was over at Xmas in reality. Yesterday was a decent game in the main i thought. As you say the defending (and the goalkeeping) for Arsenal was awful, but then thats been the case for nigh 10 years hasnt it. Not sure the cluns ever been so flat during my lifetime, thougn im sure many will say mid 60s, mid 70s and mid 80s were as bad? Some how though, back then it never seemed quite so futile as it does now and fans still cared deeply. Now thats no longer the case and im not totally sure that feeling is all Arsenals responsibility. Theres a general malaise and fan apathy in PL football. Fans are looking elsewhere, non league and the Championship and below for their footie fixes now. The PL has brought it upon itself though. Soon may the bubble burst and not before time!