United Say Farewell To Arsène

Shadow Arsenal team suffer undeserved defeat at Old Trafford



United Say Farewell To Arsène


Football fans, eh? After spending 21 years calling Arsène Wenger every name under the sun, including some distinctly distasteful ones, the Old Trafford crowd applauded the Arsenal manager on his walk from the tunnel to the dugout, where he was presented with a commemorative vessel of some description by Sir Alex Ferguson. Jose Mourinho, after years of insults, made out he was a big buddy. Time is a great healer, eh? I wonder if this had been a title deciding clash between the two teams (remember those?) whether or not the reception would have been anywhere near as warm. Alexis Sanchez came over before the start and gave his old boss a hug.

Arsène, as expected, played a shadow strength team. Maybe only four of the players that started will do so on Thursday in Madrid – Ospina, Bellerin, Xhaka and Mkhitaryan. Encouraging that the latter played and seemed to get through the game ok before being subbed in the second half. There were three youngsters – Nelson, Maitland-Niles and Mavropanos. There were understandable fears we might see another 8-2 type scoreline, but Manchester United aren’t as good a team anymore and the Arsenal eleven did perform very creditably. The record of Arsenal’s abysmal Premier League away run without a point in 2018 continues, but that isn’t telling the story of this game, probably the Gunners’ best performance in that dire run.

There were cynics who saw the selection of the Sven Mislintat-scouted young Greek centre-back over Rob Holding as a parting gift to the new regime – here's what I think of your targets, with a thought he might be traumatised by a heavy defeat and see his career go the way of defensive partner Calum Chambers. However, he played so well, that on Match of the Day Ian Wright reckoned he should start on Thursday in the semi-final second leg. Truth to tell, Wenger decided to keep the player when he saw him train in January rather than send him on loan to Germany. That he has been so rarely used is something we can ponder about given the poor defending we have seen in recent weeks, but at least there is optimism for the future. Get used to this. The short term plan is to forget buying established superstars – the money’s now running out for that, spent in the transfer windows since 2013 (or not in the case of 2015) and on the wages of the likes of Ozil, Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan. Even the signings that cost in the region of £30 million will not be star names. Aubameyang was the last star arrival for a while, a gamble on getting the club back into the top four that didn’t work out. Arsenal will be trying to identify up and coming talent, buying more established players with a year left on their deals or who are free agents, and trying to get more out of their Academy. Players like Maitland-Niles.

Although defensively there was a lot to commend the line-up for, the opening United goal was a consequence of Pogba being allowed to roam free with neither Maitland-Niles nor Xhaka covering themselves in glory. The former should have taken a yellow card and stopped Pogba’s drive forward outside the area, and as for Xhaka’s attempt at a sliding tackle… I don’t see him as part of any new manager’s plans, let’s put it that way. Bellerin did well to deflect Sanchez’s shot onto the post, but Pogba had a tap in and it was 1-0.

Arsenal rallied though and in the second half, a bit of ‘After You Claude’ in the United midfield gave Mkhitaryan the opportunity to place a low drive past De Gea and level the scores. The football United fans are being treated to at the moment is not of the highest quality, but you have to say that they are still turning up. At least, in terms of league position, they are seeing improvement, but in fairness yesterday’s match was pretty dire. The visiting team had the excuse of their selection, but United had none. This was pretty much their strongest eleven. The only way Jose will remain in post is more trophies. I’d give him one more season unless he delivers one of the big two in 2018-19.

There was a late scare for Arsenal as United brought on Fellaini to create havoc in the box. The Belgian headed onto the post, but after Rashford poked home the rebound, the linesman’s flag went up for offside. It was a warning, but one that wasn’t heeded. In injury time, a cruel blow, as Ashley Young’s cross was met by Fellaini again and looped into the corner of the net. It would be churlish to be over-critical of what was a pretty flukey goal, although it's the type Fellaini has scored more than once. Arsenal sat deep trying to defend the draw and it didn’t work out. In the greater scheme of things, it won’t matter. United will finish second and Arsenal will finish sixth.

Sometime contributor Ian Henry messaged to inform me that “Arsenal have now conceded more goals than Newcastle and Brighton and only 4 fewer than Swansea; and we have conceded 1.5 x the number of goals conceded by Burnley. That is why Thursday’s trip to Madrid will, almost certainly, be in vain.” He followed it up by stating that “Man City’s Goal Difference is now 4 x ours – 76 vs 19. Quite a feat really. From the Invincibles to that in 14 years.” It’s certainly ironic that City have been so successful playing the football of Pep Guardiola, a manager Arsene Wenger has spent years trying to imitate. The City manager though, is more hands on. His coaching is very different to Arsene’s, who prefers the players to work things out for themselves. It worked for 10 years when he had better and more experienced players – they’d already been coached elsewhere. But since the break-up of the Invincibles, Arsene’s faith in pure talent has placed a glass ceiling on the club’s chances.

There is encouragement for the future though, in the performances of the likes of Mavropanos and Maitland-Niles. It was interesting to hear Ian Wright state that players in training were told not to be physical in their challenges, a habit which has led to the situation where we are now, an attack that can win games, paired with a defence that can lose them. Arsène’s philosophy ultimately relies on the opposition not having the ball. It’s idealistic in the extreme, the desire to produce the perfect performance. But the reality has given the fans at Old Trafford many happy memories of Arsenal visits, even going back to the 6-1 during Arsene’s golden decade. Still, Gooners have some good memories too. There have been five victories at the stadium in Wenger’s 22 years, four of them leading to trophies (two titles and two FA Cups), and if you add in the 0-0 draw in the autumn of 2003, then you also get the Invincibles season. In the last 27 meetings between the two teams in all competitions, home and away, the record is Arsenal wins 5 Draws 6 United wins 16. The rivalry, as such, ceased to have the meaning it once did years ago. Such stats against the bigger sides are the reason Arsene’s on his farewell lap of honour, and being given the love he is now getting. Given what’s gone before, it’s by far the best way to end.

We now look forward to Thursday, and the hope that his team can produce a performance on a par with that v Juventus in 1980, v Parma in 1994 or v Real Madrid in 2006. The gap between Arsenal’s previous two European trophies was 24 years. Do the maths. Maybe Arsene’s fortune might be better utilised elsewhere than a meaningless game in Manchester…

We are bringing out a special edition of The Gooner for the Burnley game. This will be a special on Arsène’s 22 years at the club. It will pay tribute to some of the wonderful times he has given us, but won’t ignore the less enjoyable stuff, if only because there will be a review of every season alongside a plethora of articles about different aspects of his time in North London. It will be 84 pages thick and will cost £5. We have little doubt the official programme will also be an Arsène tribute of a more sugar-coated variety, but you pay your money, you take the choice. Important to note – no-one’s subscription covers this special edition. Existing subscriptions cover up to issue 271 (the current edition) and those of you who have committed to next season will get their first issue in August (272). This special edition is available to order online for posting to you on Friday – you can pre-order it here – or if you are not coming to the Burnley game, assuming we do not sell out, the sellers for our reduced matchday sales operation next season should have copies.


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  1. Yes its Ron

    May 01, 2018, 9:32 #109181

    Bard and Clock end - agree with you both re guts and effort. Its all i want to see too and hopefully the new bloke can inject some fight into the Club. I dont and never have demanded glory and trophies etc. Theyre nice to get. The new guy has a bigger job on there than many of us think. Theres a whole club culture to turn around and many there, from the tea lady to the very top are used to a lax, relaxed, comfy modus operandi. Its not just the players on the pitch. The new blokes backroom is as important to get right as is getting the right head coach. Its hard to have muvch faith in Arsenals Boardroom getting it right.

  2. ClockEnd_90

    May 01, 2018, 9:03 #109180

    Yes its Ron - the Thomas / Adams / Rocastle days (i.e. when they came through) were just a touch before my time but can see the appeal of bringing through youngsters to compliment the squad. Perhaps in the shape of Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Willock, Nketiah we may see local lads coming through and it would be great to see the new gaffer give them a serious run. I'm with Bard - as a fan I just want to see genuine guts and determination to succeed. Rather than not seeing evidence of it week in week out but being told by Wenger that it is there.

  3. markymark

    May 01, 2018, 7:40 #109179

    Yes it’s Ron - picking up on one of your thoughts . Throughout the media and really reitterated by Stan’s “hardest decision” and also by Wenger saying not my timing and it’s bad news . Wenger was clearly told we have no plans to keep you on next season . As that is halfway through a contract it’s effectively the Sack. ( Miles Palmer has an interesting column worth a read ) 2nd point Lacazette could easily move on. It’s money in the bank and who’s actually playing 4-4-2 at the moment? The next manager could turn 50m into 100-125m pretty quickly if needed with the selling of Lacazette , mustaphi , Xaka and possibly one more

  4. GoonerRon

    Apr 30, 2018, 21:40 #109178

    @ Bob Bayliss - I don’t think we can write barely any players off, let alone all but three of the squad. If the players haven’t been coached well and certainly haven’t played in a functional team structure for the most part then the new coach could easily get more from them. No doubt there will be in’s and out’s but I don’t see there being wholesale changes.

  5. Bard

    Apr 30, 2018, 20:46 #109177

    Ron; I think you're being overly pessimistic about the future. Yes it might be a while before we are in a position to compete but the bar is set so low currently that I dont see how a new coach can fail to provide a bit more spark and effort and organise the defence. As long as we compete with a bit of fight I am satisfied. The antipathy to Wenger isn't because we aren't winning trophies but our abject attitude and lack of spirit.

  6. mbg

    Apr 30, 2018, 19:19 #109176

    Jumpers, spot on but as we know and seen down the years nothing embarrasses that loser, like I said a specialist in failure in between two winners, and regardless the show of affection for the cameras i'm sure they both realised that themselves, as someone has already alluded to if it had been a battle for first or a decider it would never have happened, I don't know what they gave him another vase for, and he doesn't even know his gardener, he could always donate it to his favourite restaurant, does that count as a trophy ?

  7. mbg

    Apr 30, 2018, 18:50 #109175

    Up For Grabs Now, another shameful record/stat he slinks off with ringing in his ears we'll not hear from the AKB luvvies in a hurry, another one of the many embarrassments that would have been resulted in the sack from any other club in Europe years ago, thankfully it's come at last.

  8. Jumpers For Goalposts

    Apr 30, 2018, 18:20 #109174

    Nos 89 - Mourinho looks as if he just wants to get on with his job, rather than poncing about with meaningless presentations. The one who should be embarrassed to be in that photo is Wenger!!

  9. Bob Bayliss

    Apr 30, 2018, 16:58 #109172

    In terms of who is salvageable from this wreckage that Wenger will bequeath, I would say only three players: Aubamayang (who he did not want by all accounts!), Lacazette and Ramsey who I didn't used to rate but has convinced me that he could be a very good player in a better squad. The rest, including Bellerin who has been totally ruined, can go.

  10. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 16:02 #109169

    ps - i meant didnt accept slacking! Sorry. Agree, Ozil ought to be sold really while we can still find a buyer. Good player, but for our present purposes he s a bit of a luxury player in my view. If only his vision was matched by his application. The guy hasn't really ever settled into English football as i see him.

  11. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 15:28 #109165

    clock end - it would be good if we can create some of our own lads. Im sure you call that period in 87 - 88 when TA, Rocky, Davis and Co all emerged. I d back a new Coach who genuinely wanted to really go for own products, play them and persist with them provided we harnessed them to 3- 4 well chosen, not necessarily expensive experienced players who must be capable of giving a good lead to them. It was a great period back then watching them emerge leading to the 87 LC Final and beyond wasnt it. I think we have a few good younger lads there already. For me, id back this approach rather than spending silly money on lacklustre, 2nd and 3rd grade players like Xhaka and Mustafi et all. We ve worn that method down now for too long as i see it. The Club needs some good young London or at least South East born players to come in and give the club its soul back, its feel and its passion. I might be unrealistic in saying this, but our method of spending hasnt worked. There have been many players this last 10 years who would have helped us who wouldn't have costs the earth who we chose not to buy for whatever reason. Souness called it right when he said we need some real men in there. He meant a few leaders who accept slacking and who know whats really needed.

  12. mbg

    Apr 30, 2018, 14:37 #109163

    Nos89, two winners and a specialist in failure.

  13. ClockEnd_90

    Apr 30, 2018, 14:14 #109162

    If the new manager only has £50m to spend then, for me, Mustafi, Xhaka and Bellerin should all be sold in order to generate more funds. I'd also consider selling Ozil while he still has some market value. Then the new guy needs to buy shrewdly with the funds available. Hopefully he will be able to unearth some bargain buys - like Wenger did in his earlier days.

  14. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 14:05 #109161

    1971- to be honest i think that every position held by the recognised 1st choices is up for consideration except for Aubamayang and Lacca. Even with those two, another coach may prefer a bigger and more physical type of player. Certainly every defender and both keepers are possibly at risk. Much depends on who the said Coach is and money given to him i guess. A new guy with the club not in the CL may be asked to work with what he has and i wouldn't be at all surprised if thats going to be the case and a very much lower profile appointment being made. Arsenal are looking at quite a few years yet not really competing for the title. I cant really see where all this optimism and excitement comes from? Yes, its right that AW has called time on things but how many steps forward that means remains very much open to judgement and guesswork.

  15. mbg

    Apr 30, 2018, 14:03 #109160

    United say farewell what are they going to do now ? no more handy three points from TOF, I suppose their like all these other luvvies and feel sorry for him, and after all this time still in Mourinhos pocket. Go now you old fraud.

  16. peter wain

    Apr 30, 2018, 14:02 #109159

    which ever way you slice it we still lost and rarely threatened a second goal. as for transfer incomings we need a lot and decent quality. Mustafi and the swiss geezer are just not top quality nether are holding or chambers. So two or three centre backs are needed which will not happen. If our budget is £50 million we might as well not spend it and prepare for life in the championship.

  17. 1971 Gooner

    Apr 30, 2018, 13:46 #109157

    I too share the general thumbs-up to Young Mavrapanos, but I also felt the same way about Rob Holding’s early shows for us. Whether the latter was hampered by poor coaching, playing in a crap defence or maybe the “better than Cannavaro” went to his head I don’t know, but hopefully our new centre back will benefit from a proper education under the new manager. One play I think is beyond salvation is Xhaka, whom despite a nice occasional left foot pass appears to leave his brain in the dressing room prior to kickoff.

  18. TonyEvans

    Apr 30, 2018, 13:14 #109156

    Massive game on Thursday, which will have a bearing on much more than this season. Get to the EL final and win it and suddenly we are in the CL again which will be a massive boost in attracting the manager we need and (budget permitting) the players. Just wish I could be more confident but, like SKG, I always expect us to find a way to lose, and AMs home record is formidable.

  19. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Apr 30, 2018, 13:03 #109155

    Hi Ron- yes a jammy header wasn't it but we always find a way of shooting ourselves in the foot, even when we put in a half decent performance like yesterday. Anyway it matters not anymore...onwards and upwards with at least some new optimism for the future

  20. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 12:41 #109154

    SKG - Yes, i accept all that of course. Natural to think that way. Im just hoping for a bit of glory irrespective of everything else plus, it would be good for him to depart on a belated, albeit unexpected high i think.

  21. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 30, 2018, 12:28 #109153

    Ron : I get AM could be restricted by the expectation, 2-0 up cruising and we get one back then it is possible but I am so conditioned now that even if we made it 2-2 with just 30 seconds left of injury time we would find a way to concede, sad I know.

  22. Sarflunden

    Apr 30, 2018, 12:24 #109152

    Didn't watch it. Didn't need to. Yet another failure away from home. Who'd have expected that? Did have it on Radio 5. Yes from what I've seen (the goals), heard and read the kids did well and, thankfully, it wasn't a massacre but Utd don't do that anymore. To sum up it's just another step towards the future as we walk away from the car crash of our Premier League form this season. Top marks to the away fans for the "Jose Mourniho, we want you to to stay" chant". Nice touch to give Arsene a vase as a thank you for all the points he's given up at Old Trafford in the past decade.

  23. Nos89

    Apr 30, 2018, 12:04 #109151

    That picture of Wenger, Fergie and Jose is the football equivalent of Muhammed Ali, Joe Fraser and George Foreman together. Three managers who have won the most premier league titles in one picture before a match. Three managers who have exchanged blows, verbal and physical, in defeat and victory, yet when all is said and done, there is a human respect for each other, whether they like each or not. A great picture in which Jose almost seems embarrassed to be in.

  24. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 11:59 #109150

    redshirts - yes, the goal was sort of expected as you as you say, but having said that, i thought his header was a complete fluke. The TV made out it was Fellaini doing his stuff, but no way did he mean that. Back/side of his head and then it still flicked off the defenders head? Utter fluke in my view. A braver keeper may have stopped that situ arising anyway. Deserved a draw. Even Mourinho thought so, but he was perhaps just being end of season magnanimous perhaps.

  25. Bob Bayliss

    Apr 30, 2018, 11:54 #109149

    It is a sign of the times when a 2-1 defeat is spun as almost a triumph, as if we subconsciously give teams a goal start when we play away from home these days. Yes, I get the mitigating circumstances....a weakened team with little to play for. But this was a sixth consecutive premier league defeat against a United team who themselves didn't have a great incentive to bust a gut for the win (they would have been second regardless, given Liverpool's obvious distractions). The new bloke at the back did ok, but his main asset is height and (but for the inside of the post) we would have conceded not just one but two goals to Fellani in the centre of our box in the last part of the game. Finally - while Mourinho is not the force he was, he still has a league title and Europa Cup under his belt in the past three seasons. He is nowhere near plunging the depths of the bloke who we are finally getting shot of.

  26. RobG

    Apr 30, 2018, 11:43 #109148

    Thought we played well. Far better than Swansea, Watford or Brighton. Chambers was good too. We need a new keeper, one more defender and a CM. Then a whole different approach on the training ground. Enrique looks like he's priced himself out. Maybe Conte, if Ancelotti gets the Italian call....?..

  27. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Apr 30, 2018, 11:11 #109147

    Was there anybody who wasn't just waiting for that united winner? Just like the Atletico game the other night and scores of others over the last decade we did exactly what Wenger Arsenal always do. The gift that keeps on giving right till the bitter end. No doubt we will either be humiliated by a cricket score or concede a cruel late winner to Atletico on Thursday night. Wenger knows no other way. I'm just looking forward to next season, whoever the new manager may be, without the mind numbing predictability and the same old script of the last 10 tedious, wasted years

  28. Bard

    Apr 30, 2018, 10:46 #109146

    I enjoyed watching us yesterday. I really like the young Greek lad, Niles is growing into being a good player and Joe Wilcox looked to have something about him. Interesting comments Kev about our finances or lack of them. One suspects this will dictate who comes in as manager. In other words I dont think we will be getting a big hitter, more a likely a super coach. I dont think thats a bad thing. What the team needs above anything else is decent coaching. Which player could you point to who you could say has improved immeasurably in the last 2 years. Monreal maybe thats it. Most of them have either gone backwards or stagnated. As for Thursday its possible but unlikely as they will undoubtedly score one or more goals.

  29. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 10:39 #109145

    SKG - AM have to decide whether to stick or twist though dont they. Choose wrongly and they could be in trouble. Agree with you matey that yr theory is the fave theory, but im just have a hunch that perhaps AM might find their situ that they face on Thursday a little alien to them. I dont think theyre accustomed to being hot favourites either, they're more often than not the underdog in the latter stages of the euro tournies. We ll see how they cope though wont we. On the contrary Arsenal are often at their best when theres no pressure and little expectation, a hall mark of AWs teams for many years now.

  30. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Apr 30, 2018, 10:26 #109143

    The point has already been made that we have a bottom six defence, so Fellaini coming on was always going to be a problem and so it proved, like Rory Delap's long throws were always a problem. In Thursday game, we are playing a team that has a coach who has drilled into his back four a positional sense that is key in any successful side. Listening to Lee Dixon talking about the work they did with GG, with no ball involved, just standing where George wanted them to stand when the play was in a certain area of the pitch, show the extent of Graham's attention to detail. Dixon stated it was mind numbingly boring until the Cup Winners Cup final v Palma that is, when no matter how Palma moved the ball around, always an Arsenal man was in the correct position - not so boring after all. The idea that all Simeone's work can be overcome by a possession only based tactic with no workable plan for the counter attack, seems very naive to me but I would love to be surprised. However I do not expect anything other than a quiet exit from the Europa cup with the usual hard luck stories to follow the next morning.

  31. Yes its Ron

    Apr 30, 2018, 9:51 #109142

    On the face of it, it was a decent gesture by Utd. Had it have been a title deciding game, it wouldnt have happened in my view as Arsene wouldn't be leaving if that was the case. I think whoever subscribes to the 'parting gift' view re the Greek lad who played really do need to get out more and try and live life a little more constructively. How silly to read that into his selection for the game. He did play really well too. AW may have many faults but i wouldn't ever attribute to him having such malice in hi make up. Its high time the analysis of why and by whos hand AW s departure resulted from. His tenure ran its course, it ran out of steam, it ran out of ideas just like Govts do ( opposition parties dont 'win' elections, Govts lose them) and it was ended, either by him or partly by him and also by a gentle nudge towards the door by someone who thought the climate at the club demanded change. The fans now need to simply do as Utd did and wish him well as he rides off into the sunset. As for Thursday, it might be blind optimism but i think AFC are still in with a decent shout to win in Spain. AM are a solid side but far from unbeatable. Why shouldnt their so called defensive impregnability be breached? We hardly look like the away team to do it based on form, but we all know football very often scuppers odds on expectations. 2-1 Gunners.

  32. The Man From UNCLE

    Apr 30, 2018, 9:49 #109141

    "from the invicibles to that in 14 years"? He must have forgotten about the 2005-06 season where we were every bit as dire as this season. I'm still thinking of a Juventus '80 performance on Thursday though.

  33. Up For Grabs Now

    Apr 30, 2018, 9:32 #109140

    Continuing with the stats theme from the article, another game against a top 6 side and yet another defeat. So just for the record this season against the other big 5 clubs was as follows: - P 10 W 1 D 3 L 6 Pts 6. If there was still any doubt by anyone why Wenger had to go, then surely those statistics say everything. There are of course other dreadful statistics, like having lost every single PL away game in this calendar year. Interestingly our away form against the current bottom half of the table is as follows: - P 9 W1 D 3 L 5 Pts 6. Can anyone see a similar pattern there! If they lose away to Huddersfield, then they will end up with an identical table. Even if they did beat Huddersfield away, but C Palace were to leapfrog Newcastle into the top half of the table, then we would still end up with identical statistics, or possibly worse if they lost! Had the won/lost games stats been reversed, then an additional 15 points would have been accumulated, putting us neck and neck with Liverpool on 72 points, with a game in hand! The next manager at the very least needs to improve our away form against the bottom half teams, if they want as a bare minimum to be fighting for a top 4 place. One can but live in hope that our away form on Thursday improves, but sadly the evidence above doesn’t give us much hope does it, especially as they need to score one goal (Possibly more) against a team that very rarely concedes at home at all.