Arsène bows out with a love-in and rare away victory

Online Ed: Wenger’s Out as Yorkshire witnesses the end of an era that changed Arsenal Football Club



Arsène bows out with a love-in and rare away victory


It could have been the perfect ending. Back in France in a major final to face Marseille of all teams. The club that foiled Wenger’s Monaco as Bernard Tapie used bribery to ensure points back in the early 1990s. And by beating the club that wronged him, Arsène Wenger could have finally landed a European trophy to end his tenure and leave Arsenal in better shape going forward, with the attendant guarantee of Champions League revenue next season.

As it was, a meaningless trip to Huddersfield was the finale to 22 years. There was a symmetry of sorts though, given the manager’s first game was a Premier League trip up north back in 1996. A 2-0 victory was registered at Blackburn Rovers that day, champions less than 18 months previously. The starting line up was: Seaman, Dixon, Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn, Vieira, Platt, Merson, Hartson, Wright. I imagine Dennis Bergkamp was injured. Yesterday the eleven that kicked off were Ospina, Bellerin, Mustafi, Holding, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Ramsey, Iwobi, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang and Lacazette. In fairness, it was a mix and match side for an end of season kickabout, and it was good enough to bring an end to the horrible away run in the Premier League that had played a part in bringing the curtain down on Arsène Wenger’s tenure.

There were three planes in the sky, with banners reading ‘Merci Arsene – We’ll Miss You Too’, ‘One Arsene Wenger – Arsenal Legend’ and ‘Kroenke You’re Next’. The latter went down very well in the away section, probably because Arsène’s supporters don’t like Kroenke for calling time on him, and those that wanted change probably blame the American for extending the manager’s contract. It’s good that there’s something everybody can agree on.

On 22 minutes, Huddersfield fans gave a standing ovation to the Arsenal manager, who, before the game, had entered the pitch to a guard of honour and then went up to the away section to bow before the travelling fans.

Fortunately, the result went with the script, in spite of the home team doing their best to poop the party, having far more shots that the Gunners. The visitors though, were clinical when they needed to be, Aubameyang converting Aaron Ramsey’s zippy low cross after 38 minutes. In the second half, as David Wagner’s team pressed forward, opportunities came to catch them on the break, but Arsenal failed to exploit them. It didn’t matter, they kept a rare clean sheet and finished the season seven points behind fifth placed Chelsea, and seven points ahead of Burnley, meaning qualification for the group stage of the Europa League without the need for the two qualifying rounds Sean Dyche’s team will play.

There was a pitch invasion at the end by the home supporters, just happy to have retained their Premier League status. A few of the travelling support remained in the stands hoping for a final goodbye, and after completing his media obligations, Arsène went out to lap up the goodwill one last time. What a contrast it must have been after so many matches in which the same contingent of fans had been calling for his head.

It’s over now, a long time after it should have been, but at least the desperately required rebuild can begin in earnest. Hopefully it will be Allegri rather than Arteta, for the simple reason that Arsenal have already failed at imitating Barcelona, and it’s not a journey your writer wishes to live through again. Arteta, although liked by Ivan Gazidis, would be an underwhelming choice. The former club captain used club fines collected from the playing staff to buy Gazidis an expensive watch when he was still on the playing staff, much to the surprise of some of the players. One imagines he gives a good interview as well.

The danger of such an appointment is that he is tainted with being the club captain at a time when the team was struggling in the Premier League and bombing out of Europe with depressing regularity. He did not galvanise the players on the field, so how would he do it in the dressing room? Bould and Lehmann would be working under him, which somehow just feels a bit odd. And, unlike Wenger when he arrived in 1996, he has never been a first team coach. Wenger had won a title in France and reached a European final. It would be a huge risk, but at least one that would not set the club back much money. So on one level, he ticks a financial box, but the club need to progress, and Arteta would be a huge leap into the unknown. Arsenal need to think more about football than finance for a while.

Still, we’ve a few days of speculation before we will have confirmation. Hopefully no announcement until Monday next week when Allegri has fulfilled this season’s obligations in Turin and a deal can be made public, because any confirmation before would mean it definitely isn’t Allegri. And don’t forget Ancelotti if the former decides to remain at Juventus. The club certainly met him a couple of times before the turn of the year and he attended matches at the Emirates. Antonio Conte is an outside shot, but a possibility as surely he will not be at Chelsea after next weekend’s FA Cup Final.

So we await to see who is in charge of the first team next season, but one thing that is beyond doubt is that Arsène has left the building. He won trophies with teams playing some fantastic football, had the midas touch at getting the best from his players in the first half of his reign, and created such demand to watch Arsenal that the club felt compelled to move stadium to feed said demand and increase revenue, with the idea of trying to keep up with the ever expanding turnover of Manchester United. The Invincibles were disbanded with indecent haste, Chelsea gatecrashed the party and it all started to unravel. One can probably pinpoint the departure of David Dein from the board as the turning point, as much as the stadium move.

Arsenal enjoyed, and still do, a reputation for exciting, stylish football in far flung parts of the world, but also became a bit of a joke in the top European circles as the game passed their manager by more and more with every passing season. As a football club attempting to compete against the likes of Bayern Munich, the idea that one man was trying to do so much, all the time refusing to freshen up his support staff as the team continually failed to challenge for the major prizes, became laughable. The board though, or at least the majority owner, were happy as long as Wenger delivered Champions League football and the club made an operating profit.

In the end, the manager went because he stopped delivering on that front, no other reason. If Arsenal had finished fourth this season, Arsène would have still been in post, and about 25,000 people would have bothered turning up to the Burnley game three days after the semi-final exit in Madrid. But they were 12 points short of 4th place, losing 11 of their 19 away matches. Add the two at home and that is 13 defeats out of 38. Arsenal have sat in 6th place since before Christmas, and never moved. Their points total for the season was 63, the lowest total ever posted in the manager’s 22 seasons. There are no more arguments even the most loyal advocate of the man can make for his retention after that.

There are many who feel sad about this ending. My over-riding emotion is sheer relief. I cannot predict where the club goes from here. If there had been no change in the dugout though, I’d be pretty certain, and it wasn’t something that gave me a lot to look forward to. At least now there is hope.

Thanks for the good times M. Wenger… and goodbye.

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  1. mbg

    May 15, 2018, 17:04 #109658

    SKG 1, good shout yes there have been numerous of us on here over the years/seasons berating his hand picked backroom staff/nodding dogs also, but of course we were rebuked by his wengerites, their beloved wenger knew best, where are they today ? when the truth has finally come out.

  2. Exeter Ex

    May 15, 2018, 11:52 #109641

    I agree top European managers wouldn't but it's not a choice between them or someone with zero experience whatsoever. There's got to be something in between. Guardiola was head coach of the B team for a year before taking over at Barcelona. Arteta has never been in charge of any team at any level. Who knows, maybe it still will be. I would be highly suspicious of the motives for hiring someone with no head coaching experience. However it won't be hard for whoever it is to show some progress on Wenger. To finish below 6th would take some industrial scale incompetence, or players going on strike.

  3. markymark

    May 15, 2018, 11:24 #109639

    Exeter Ex - I fully agree I think the problem though is squaring the circle . Top European managers won’t I expect want to work in that model ( though changes in football administration might eventually force it ) , The model I fully believe has been imposed due to Wenger’s previous complete power. So Josh and Ivan manoeuvre for the exact opposite . If it doesn’t work I reckon it will take 5 seasons to fully unravel . Saying that if we finish top 4 and win a Europa whilst winning away against the top 6 . That is progress. I’m wondering whether the protests will now start moving towards the heart and soul of the club and owne itself . I think protests against the dire badge and kits could be very winnable . Kronke more difficult though as I’ve said before Silent Stan May well hand over power to Josh.

  4. ClockEnd_90

    May 15, 2018, 10:41 #109638

    It's great that we might become more efficient in recruiting players by having Raul and Sven on board. However, it seems that they are going to start recruiting before any coach is appointed. Therefore will we be run with it being Sven's vision for the team and not the head coach's? Surely the coach should be having some serious input into recruitment!

  5. Exeter Ex

    May 15, 2018, 10:36 #109637

    It's becoming clear that the power structure at Arsenal is going to be the complete opposite of what it was under Wenger - decentralised rather than centralised. However the new guy will still be Head Coach. Arteta has never even been a head coach at any level. He is simply one of many coaches under Guardiola. I return again to the point that surely a club the size of AFC should have a guy in the role they're creating who has at least actually done the role at some level before.

  6. markymark

    May 15, 2018, 9:32 #109636

    Bard / Tony Evans - think you are voicing very real risks regarding the new manager . However I believe Arsenal are effectively recruiting a head coach , not a manager . Therefore the new guy may have the narrowest confine of any ‘Manager’ in the game. He may well be a yes man , however he will be saying yes to Mstinlat , Sanllehi , Gazidis . Now the first two of that trio are the first time we’ve actually procured very solid performers externally at this level. We should therefore expect , targets to be identified and purchased and hopefully a higher level of recruitment. Gazidis is making swift work of the entire medical team. This means the coach can concentrate on coaching . I’d also be surprised if the new guy will be giving leeway to provide punditry, like Wenger did , or go visit the Pope instead of concentrating on footballing matters. ( we will see ). In this model Arteta makes sense. If it works expect others to follow. First team I reckon who will do the same is Chelsea who have grown fed up with Conte’s media and player gaffs. Arsenal probably look at Chelsea and Mourinho’s depressing reign at UTD and think there model is a better fit for the modern game . Anyway time will tell , time for us all to get behind the new guy . Unless the curtain pulls back to reveal Big Sam!

  7. TonyEvans

    May 15, 2018, 8:43 #109635

    Thinking about Wenger's replacement makes you realise that the job is only half done. Hugely pivotal moment which goes without saying - is it going to be same sh*t, different manager, or a genuine new broom sweeping the club clean, and mending all the fences left by our departed 'greatest ever'.

  8. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    May 15, 2018, 8:43 #109634

    The clear out has started and with two positives for me, the fitness coach and the goalkeeping coach. There has been a quorum of posters on this site making very valid points about the numerous injuries to our players over the years and the poor standard of goalkeeping at the club since Lehmann left. Removing the coaches has to happen for the improvements to begin, so far Gazidis is doing the right things and perhaps now he is fully in control he will get the right manager in to bring it all together. If it is Arteta I'm ok with it, catching a manager before he becomes wanted and expensive is a shrewd move - providing of course he is any good.

  9. The Man From UNCLE

    May 15, 2018, 8:16 #109633

    Did anyone see Sky last night, there was a documentary on the rise of Las Palmas how they got into La Liga, good stuff. The manager said, "I know that if I lose six games in a row I will be sacked", and this is a small-town club from the Canary Islands mixing it week to week with genuine European big hitters. How we could have done with a board like that in the last few years.

  10. John F

    May 15, 2018, 7:30 #109632

    I like Ancelloti but he looks like he is going to Napoli according to some news feeds with Napoli manager going to Chelsea.Arteta looks the most likely now,I would of thought he would suit Everton as well as Swansea.

  11. Nos89

    May 15, 2018, 1:57 #109631

    This talk of Arteta is a worry for me. We are bigger than that. Allegri would be my second choice behind Ancellotti. Ancellotti has the charisma and credentials to erase all that Wenger stood for in the last few years. He'll organise the defence, get the football flowing and be competent in the media. Allegri, as far as I understand, speaks very little English. Arteta is a move for Swansea not Arsenal.

  12. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 23:46 #109630

    A bit Artetacentric tonight but Alegri has apparently said he’s staying at Juve. 6 Arsenal coaching and fitness staff are going reportedly Anyway Arteta when offered to coach at Arsenal under Wenger he refused and went to City. He obviously didn’t want to work under a stale past their his best Manager, so if he does come he willl bring innovation to the Arsenal players . Just waiting for the Wengerboyz to kick off at the first defeat of the new guy. God knows what would happen if say he lost 7-2 to ManU

  13. mbg

    May 14, 2018, 23:18 #109629

    TOOAW, and would you be expecting our help (WOB's) with your, and no doubt a lot of other wengerites protest ? As for your postie he'd have probably done as good a job as wenger.

  14. mbg

    May 14, 2018, 22:51 #109628

    Lets hope it is only a few days of speculation Kevin, we're all fed up being kept in the dark and guessing over everything players etc, over the years by a smirking wenger, who used to take great delight in doing so, lets hope that's one of his traits values/traditions that is quickly done away with.

  15. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 22:24 #109627

    Arteta coming in at 5/4 on Skybet . Looks like the bookies are making him a firm favourite

  16. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 20:54 #109626

    ToOaW - remember when you said if you were to protest you’d have a manager out in weeks? Well if Arteta gets it here’s your chance !

  17. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 20:41 #109625

    ToOaW - what you going to do then if he gets it? Protest ? This is going to be fun. Don’t know why your talking to me about it , write to Ivan if you’ve got a problem.

  18. CORNISH GOONER

    May 14, 2018, 20:05 #109624

    An encouraging thing from yesterday's game was the flying of that THIRD Banner - was it "Kroenke you're next!" or similar? I think that's a healthy viewpoint at present as there are still, rightly imo, great suspicions surrounding Wiggy & Jnr. Also far too much bollocks about AFC not being able to compete in the player market. Do we have the wrong sort of billionaire owners - like those pesky train leaves? I am comfortable with an up & coming MANAGER like Nagelsmann, Jardim etc. but not an unproven. It sure won't be Allegri unfortunately & understandably.

  19. TOOAW

    May 14, 2018, 20:00 #109623

    Change is one thing.... making the correct choice of manager is another. Nark. My postman has not been working with mugs and is very well respected in the workplace but he hasn't applied for the Arsenal job and neither will he get it. This club of mine deserves better than Arteta who I do not believe will get the gig.

  20. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 19:16 #109622

    I would suspect that if Arteta was a disaster , Arsenal would do a Chelsea and parachute in an equivalent of a Guus Hiddink . I’m just looking forward to change. If it is Arteta he’s not been working with mugs and has been part of a team that has improved players to a league record . Potch wanted him as well. So I suspect professional players have been impressed.

  21. John F

    May 14, 2018, 19:07 #109621

    If the club had any empathy with the fans they should chose a manager who's name fits just in case he is a disaster and a fan protest happens.Wobs had a nice ring to it but if it is Allegri or Arteta then we would be called a unconvincing Aobs,if it is Garcia then Gobs,Jardim then an acceptable jobs but if they pick Naggelsmann then I am not confirming what most people think by calling myself a Nob,he can stay for ever.

  22. mbg

    May 14, 2018, 18:53 #109620

    Elpelsarmy, I don't see anyone moaning or whinging (we all know who the moaner and whinger was and he's gone)we're discussing the new manager, who wants who, whoever he'll be, some for, some happy enough with, some not, what ever the case Arteta or not when the time comes they'll have our full support what about you will they/he have yours ? maybe you'd rather we kept the last has been. As for Keown i'd rather had him in our defence over the last ten years than a lot of the wasters we had, he done a hell of a man marking job on top players over the years on George Grahams guidance and instructions allowing us to win important games, and has medals to prove it including a prem one, as for Kiwomya he cared and was proud to get a chance to wear the shirt, and wenger never signed worse give me Kiwomya over some of wengers Top Top qualittee any time, the lists endless.

  23. KC38

    May 14, 2018, 18:51 #109619

    It’s almost inconceivable to believe we will offer the job to a man that has no managerial experience or cv to refer to. I find it beyond belief and if we employ him that’s my ST done with, it will show a club with no ambition, taking a cheap option, I’m incredulous that they will consider Arteta. How can you offer a managers job to a man that has never managed with a squad that requires rebuilding, a defence that requires coaching and a squad that requires discipline. We are not Real Madrid or Barca where you have great players, we need a proven coach that has proven man management skills. It’s that bad I’d rather have Rogers. Allegri, Jardim or Emery please.

  24. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    May 14, 2018, 18:31 #109618

    As Herbert Chapman once said when asked about the close passing game "Usually the ball merely travels across the field and perhaps back again without any advantage being gained. I want the best possible football but it must have a "kick" in it" Ring any bells, I don't care (within reason) who takes over at Arsenal as long as we move the ball forward quicker, get a pacey quality wide player, not forgetting what we have needed for the last 10 years a keeper, centre back and a holding midfield player. Our work without the ball must improve but considering most good coaches do that anyway I am expecting improvements just by applying sound basic footballing principles, which unfortunately have sadly been neglected for far too long.

  25. mbg

    May 14, 2018, 18:00 #109617

    I will be disappointed if it's Arteta myself, am hoping for bigger than better, but hey that's where we are now remember, that's our level, for now anyway thanks to the last incumbent, but he'll or who ever it is will have our support for the length of his contract especially if he's seen to be going in the right way, doing things in the right way etc, unless he's seen to be a complete loser and buffoon (and one of them was enough in the last twelve years) and as Exeter Ex says he can be easily got rid off as one things for damm sure he'll not get or be given thirteen or fourteen years to get it right like the last failure, and we all know who will be wanting and shouting for change the loudest. Exciting times ahead.

  26. GoonerRon

    May 14, 2018, 17:50 #109616

    I don’t think there is any chance of us going for an elite level manager who is already at a club (i.e. Allegri). Given the seismic appointment this is along with the resultant attention on the board they won’t go for someone who they might not get (either reject the job or not be given permission in the first place by their club). I think top level managers out of work (Ancelotti, Garcia, Unai Emery) or coaches who won’t turn down such a huge job relative their current role (Vieira, Arteta, Nagelsmann, Jardim) are more likely targets so the board can say after their exhaustive process they landed their number one target.

  27. mbg

    May 14, 2018, 17:26 #109615

    Yes TOF broke with tradition (his tradition) and decided to go/come out for some fresh air, and soak up the adulation and love in, no doubt when he knew it was favourable, not a chance if hadn't been though, he'd have been tucked away in hiding, where was he after and during all the humiliations and embarrassments ? and everything that went with them ? as if we don't know, in hiding afraid to show his face, and slithering out onto the coach and out of the ground under cover. Oh how some have short memories. WGOAB.

  28. Roy

    May 14, 2018, 17:17 #109614

    Bard - Absolutely and completely agree, mate.

  29. 1971 Gooner

    May 14, 2018, 17:15 #109613

    In 1986 we wanted Venables and got Graham. In 1996 we wanted Cruyff and got Wenger. In 2018 we want Allegri and may get Arteta. If he follows the pattern of the last two I’d take that. What I find exciting about Arteta (and I am really trying) is that none of us have the foggiest idea what he will be like, and after several groundhog seasons I’m happy to give it a whirl.

  30. John F

    May 14, 2018, 16:59 #109612

    The club must have financial targets to reach and I would imagine they would go for a man who would give Arsenal the best chance of getting back on the Champions League gravy train.I think Allegri is the first choice with Arteta and others being interviewed as the back up plan if he refuses.As Ron said it would be very difficult to manage former colleagues and friends.The father figure has left the building to maybe make way for the best friend.

  31. Bard

    May 14, 2018, 16:51 #109611

    Whatever we think about Wenger he will be a big act to follow. Although we are mostly agreed we need a modern coach we also need a big personality, someone capable of dealing with huge expectations and big egos. Someone who can impose discipline and has the ruthlessness to make big decisions. It is not a job for a bright young thing with nil experience. That rules out Arteta in my book. As I have posted the only reasons for appointing him are that he is cheap and won't rock the boat too much.

  32. GoonerRon

    May 14, 2018, 15:19 #109610

    @ mbg - you clearly didn't watch the game as saying Huddersfield sat back and let Wenger have his day is really insulting to them. They scrapped, pressed and fought from minute one (but hey, why let the reality get in the way of pre-determined anti-Wenger nonsense)?

  33. Exiled in Pt

    May 14, 2018, 14:49 #109609

    Arteta appointment will show the lack of ambition from the owner and the board! I do not mean to sound disrespectful to Arteta as he may be an amazing appointment but he will not be expected to do anymore than try and get us back in the top four. SK will have removed the problem he had with Wenger still in charge ie disgruntled fans not turning up .He can then carry on taking his money out to support his US interests without having to throw a packet at our club. Arteta will be nothing more than a new yes man to the board just with the added bonus of hopefully some new coaching ideas on the field with the squad we have now. Glad Wenger is gone but i will keep saying it we have not got our Arsenal back until this owner and board are gone !!! Do not think old Roman at Chelski will be thinking about employing Arteta , he will go for the finished article and seems to be working out for them . We used to sing sh#t club no history only 8 titles short of us only 7 fa cups short of us but there European record completely shows us up !!

  34. Paulward

    May 14, 2018, 14:48 #109608

    Agree on Arteta, think the time has come to move on from tippy tappy football. His appointment would scream cheap and lack of ambition, which kind of sums the Kroenke years up.

  35. mbg

    May 14, 2018, 14:46 #109607

    Yes as soon as we seen the love in guard of honour we knew it was going to be another case of the opposition sitting back and letting TOF have his day (more than he deserved/deserves) the only surprise was the tippy tappy nice boys didn't score more especially as they were under no pressure with such a meaningless kickabout. He's gone now, and good riddance, and lets hope it's the last we see or hear of him, although I suspect and expect many a problem to still arise at the club over the next three years because of, and caused by TOF. WGOAB.

  36. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 14:22 #109606

    Peter Wain - on the Arteta front I have a feeling it’s going to happen. I’m. Honestly not too stressed by it . He’s had two years to figure out the intensity of Peps training ( light years ahead of Wenger ) dealt with Yaya Toure level egos and will not have the all encompassing management of Wenger to bury him. I’m not sure if it’s any greater risk than an up and coming manager from Germany having to deal with cultural differences . Alegri appears a safer choice , but if he goes wrong it could be a bigger impact

  37. peter wain

    May 14, 2018, 14:11 #109605

    I refuse to believe that the transfer kitty is £50 million or that Arteta is a realistic candidate for manager. If we only have £50 million keep it and use it in the next summer window when we will be buying players for the championship. Because if we appoint Arteta that's where we will be heading

  38. Andrew

    May 14, 2018, 13:53 #109604

    Martin Allen's available...

  39. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 13:34 #109603

    Yes it’s Ron - a Board asleep at the wheel for 10 years . It doesn’t bode well. The only thing I’d guess is Ivan might go as well if it screws up

  40. TonyEvans

    May 14, 2018, 12:40 #109602

    For a man that is said to sleep, eat and breathe football it is astonishing that he is leaving the club in such a mess. Problem areas which should have been sorted out years ago remain, as do under-performing players (at least Walcott was shifted on) whom Wenger indulges, almost like family members! Hugely glad and relieved he has been sacked at last but, please, not Arteta - surely he is not the man to sort out the mess and take the team forward.

  41. elpelsarmy

    May 14, 2018, 12:14 #109601

    The next day after AW leaving and people already moaning and whinging about his RUMOURED replacement, cant please all the people all the time I guess. Allegri the modern day George Graham? The GG who played Keown in midfield and signed Chris Kiwomya? Lets hope its the earlier GG!

  42. Bard

    May 14, 2018, 11:51 #109600

    Arteta is certainly the cheap option. His appointment would also give a clear message that we dont intend to seriously compete. I guess they have to sell it to the fans which might be a tall ask.

  43. Yes its Ron

    May 14, 2018, 11:33 #109599

    Hi Marky - part of me want to back the appt of an Arteta or PV 4 to be honest. Its a new, different and fresh approach isnt it. I just think both are just too 'close to home' though and im not sure either has the nous or ability to undo whats waiting at Arsenal. We have form though for doing it and succeeding ie appointing lesser lights. Mee, Graham, Arsene, Neill to a lesser degree, just in my lifetime so theres nothing to say it cant work is there. Does this Board have the feel for getting it right though? Im far from sure about that.

  44. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 11:20 #109598

    Yes it’s Ron - a bit like the tale of two leaders , one was very nice to his secretaries and would invite them to his country home as part of the extended family , the other could be tyrannical , reducing staff to tears and prone to deep black moods . One of them was one of the greatest threats to mankind, the other one of the saviours. The one. Who appears nice was Adolf and of course the dark mooded Tyrant was Winston. Hyperbole of course in my comment but as you elude to and what I was definitely driving at. Sometimes the real leaders can be swines. There’s a lot of noise about Arteta. He maybe very arrogant and that could be one of his successful drivers. I think Arsenal moving forwards are looking for coaches to develop . Anyway we wil soon find out

  45. Yes its Ron

    May 14, 2018, 11:19 #109597

    Hi Kev - all this talk of Allegri is a puzzling isnt it? Why would he want to leave Turin and Italy leaving Juve to join Arsenal? The chances are that Arsenal FC wont ever be a Juve no matter what any Coach does. Juve are enormous and their Euro pedigree is massive. Its a Club with enormous expectations and as such, often has some of the Worlds best players there. Unless its salary or the base human need to want a new challenge, i cant see a reason why such a stellar Coach would drop his existing job to join AFC. This isnt to denigrate Arsenal, but lets be honest, our moments even as Englands best in our history have been fleeting and we ve never made an indelible mark on Europe.

  46. The Man From UNCLE

    May 14, 2018, 11:18 #109596

    Now we can all start to move on. As for any new manager, historically AFC have had success when selecting a relative unknown (possibly more due to luck than judgement) but what is required now is a manager with a desire to prove themselves who doesn't mind upsetting a few egos along the way.

  47. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    May 14, 2018, 11:14 #109595

    Allegri for me all day long. From what I can gather he's a modern day, Italian version of George Graham and that sort of tactical nous and defensive acumen is exacly what we have needed for years. Whether he would be tempted to leave Juve where he is more or less guaranteed success every year, to come over here and sort this mess out is another question. I share the same concerns about Arteta as the other guys have already commented on. Still whoever it will be we have something different to look forward to and the term 'groundhog season' can be banished for good! Can't wait for next season already and haven't felt that way for 10 years

  48. Yes its Ron

    May 14, 2018, 10:41 #109594

    Marky - you may have heard stuff that reliable i dont know but theres lots that gets said about people isnt there, most of it well wide of the mark or just plain vindictive by people with agendas and axes to grind. Take as we find is my motto. A Coach needs an arrogance though anyway, doesnt he? Sureness of foot and self belief etc etc etc. Its correct too at Arsenal that anybody taking that job will tow SKs line. Hes not going to alter his position. In my view hes the greater part of the problem there regarding the teams future development. The owner always is.

  49. Exeter Ex

    May 14, 2018, 10:34 #109593

    To know he's finally gone today after 22 years does feel strange. But amidst the sentiment the facts are that yes, the club is bigger but he's left the team in a worse position than it was when he took over. The squad is weaker and the league position is lower. Amidst all the thanks maybe he should be apologising for that rather than carrying on the spin until the bitter end. As for Arteta, I get he'd be head coach, not a Wenger style manager, but surely he should at least be a head coach somewhere else before being qualified to take over a club as big as Arsenal. The fear is Kroenke's rationale is, if we're not in the top 4 anymore, might as well get someone cheap in to hang around midtable, rather than push upwards again. On the other hand, the good thing is if any future coach fails, he can simply be got rid off. What happened at Arsenal the last few years will never happen again.

  50. RobG

    May 14, 2018, 10:12 #109592

    Arseblog says, that Allegri has said, he will stay in Turin. I am with you on Arteta. It would indeed be underwhelming and a huge risk, even allowing for the fact that we now have a collegiate approach, rather than Wenger doing everything bar the hot dogs. I wouldn't rule out this Naglesman guy. I know nowt about him other than the fact that he has only just turned thirty. But he does manage in top flight football. The problem with Arteta is that he hasn't. Still, we will know soon enough. It will be interesting to see if we have any Ins and Outs before the new man arrives. That in itself, will tell us quite a bit.

  51. markymark

    May 14, 2018, 10:08 #109591

    Yes it’s Ron. - from what I hear is Mikel Arteta is apparently very arrogant . Not ge nice guy at all, however the watch story sugggests he also cosies up very well with senior management . Now that doesn’t sound great, but he could just be the new Mourinho , after all he and Pep galvanised an ok team ( big stars but with obvious weakness) to the 100 point team. That’s not all Pep. Anyway I have a sneaky it’s Arteta. If it is we’ll have to see. Maybe low expectancy maybe his friend I was very pro Alegri, still be happy but I’m now wondering if he might bring a little bit of Contes bad side to the table. Too much going to the press etc.

  52. Yes its Ron

    May 14, 2018, 9:56 #109590

    Agree on Arteta. Hes a good man but i think his time at Arsenal is far too recent. His years also co incided with the worst yrs of our decline under Arsene i think as well. 2011 to the present. He was a part of it of course. Theres a big risk in asking someone to manage people with who they once worked with as equals. Its a take s a really strong man to do that, emotionally and practically. I dont know MA of course but hes doenst have the gravitas in football coaching to back up his judgement and also he seems just too nice a bloke to change much that will upset egos and apple carts to be honest. Good luck to him if hets it, but he needs to think carefully. Hes seemingly doing well at Man City right now and his trajectory is positive we can assume. If he fails big time at Arsenal, its may set his career back years and it might not ever recover. Hes in danger of being Arsenals patsy to be honest. Its an attractive job though and the temptation many prove too much for him to refuse it. If he takes it he ll need new strong men as his back room i feel, not the Bould and Co axis thats there. SK will be looking the course of least disruption though and MA fits that bill doesn't he. Beware the yanks motivations Mr Arteta. You do dont deserve him at this stage of yr fledgling career. Stick with Pep at least for a while longer and enjoy the fruits of that plus the reflected glory you ll enjoy under him ready for when the right job comes your way.

  53. GoonerRon

    May 14, 2018, 9:54 #109589

    A very respectful and loud send off for Arsène in the away end. It’s nice that although the vast majority were ready for change and some more vociferous than others that the appreciation of the man was universal. Thanks for everything, Arsène. Now, let’s get a new guy in and go again.