All change at London Colney as Arsenal’s culture of complacency is addressed

Arsène’s acolytes informed their services are no longer required



All change at London Colney as Arsenal’s culture of complacency is addressed


When Arsène Wenger returns to his London Colney training ground office later this week to collect his effects, he will find that many of the familiar faces he has surrounded himself with over the course of his 22 years have already departed. Punters may be speculating on who his successor might be (and you can use a Coral promo code if you are confident in your pick), but one this is certain. A shake-up of Wenger’s stale backroom team was inevitable.

The following (job titles according to the Arsenal.com website) were given their marching orders yesterday:
Boro Primorac – First team coach
Neil Banfield - First team coach
Gerry Peyton – Goalkeeping coach
Colin Lewin – Head of Medical Services
Tony Colbert – Fitness coach
Paul Johnson – Equipment manager

Primorac was the man who blew the lid on the Marseille scandal back in the early 1990s when manager at Valenciennes. Wenger was the manager at Monaco, and ever since, Wenger has kept him in employment as his most trusted ally. When Wenger’s daughter Leah was young, on the occasions that he and his wife went out, the Primoracs would babysit for them.

Neil Banfield was the Arsenal’s youth team manager, and almost certainly got the job because of the Wenger’s relationship with his father Tony (one of Wenger’s European scouting team).

Gerry Peyton was the keeping coach at Fulham when Bob Wilson retired in that role at Arsenal. David Seaman has been offered the job but chose to continue playing. Moving to Manchester City. Peyton had been working in Japan at the time Wenger was there. I have no idea whether the two met then, but one thing is certain. Peyton has not developed a reputation as a top keeping coach in his 15 seasons at the Gunners.

Colin Lewin initially joined the club as an understudy to his brother Gary. When the latter left Arsenal to work full time for England, his brother succeeded him as first team physio. Arsenal’s relatively poor injury record in his time in that post does not reflect well on him.

Tony Colbert joined Arsenal in 1998 and works to keep the players fit and help with the rehab of the injured squad members. The amount of soft muscle injuries the players seem to suffer is an area where the finger could be pointed, but I do not know.

Paul Johnson used to run the Arsenal travel club, before becoming Arsene’s gofer. If Arsene needs something done, Paul Johnson does it for him. To justify the club paying his wages, he was put in charge of bringing the cones out for training.

Why have all these people been given their P45s (probably with a year’s pay off assuming they were on the same duration of contract as the manager)? Because they were part of the culture of complacency and underachievement that has grown at the club since the stadium move. They are all very much Arsène’s men. Keep them around for the next man and they are a reminder of the old days. Primorac was always going to go with Arsene, and will be alongside him in his next job.

Banfield and Peyton always looked vulnerable. It will be interesting to see where they end up, but probably a job in the lower divisions. Going forward, it will be interesting to see if another “equipment manager” is employed. The ground staff can take care of this if you take the job title literally. Calling time on Lewin and Colbert though seems more like a case of – are you the best people we can get to do this job? The evidence suggests not. I’ve heard stories that, in contrast to Arsene Wenger, Lewin was not particularly friendly to, for example, the matchday mascot that leads out the team with the captain. There’s no compulsion for him to be in his job description, but when dealing with 10 year olds it would be perfectly reasonable to make them feel a little more welcome.

What is interesting is that if Mikel Arteta is actually going to be Wenger’s successor, might he have been consulted on these decisions? Do you want this guy? That guy? If the announcement that he has got the job comes before the weekend, you would have to imagine he was part of the decision making process.

Anyway, in terms of backroom staff, there was certainly an element of things going stale. Change is a necessary part of life, and when things aren’t working, it is generally a good thing. Why wouldn’t you try a fresh approach? It’s something Arsène didn’t feel the need to do, in contrast with someone like Sir Alex Ferguson. The latter’s teams won a further five Premier League titles and appeared in three Champions League finals after Arsenal’s last title win. He knew the value of change. Let’s see how effective it is at Arsenal now that the players may see their unchallenging comfort bubble burst.


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  1. A Cornish Gooner

    May 17, 2018, 16:37 #109741

    Badarse. "You are eager for confrontation fella it suggests an absence in your life." Would you care to discuss the absence of something, or maybe someone in your life? Exeter. You can't polish a turd.

  2. Exeter Ex

    May 17, 2018, 12:56 #109724

    "I antagonise certain people who have earned that response by their previous behaviour." I do indeed grasp that is what you claim, but I do not accept it. Can you not grasp that? Who are you to sit in judgment on the 'behaviour' of others and antagonise them? And once again the attempts elevate yourself above others: a more noble, more knowledgable, more positive person. The same person that recently stated physical assault would soon follow were we to meet in person. I know what you think you are, I well grasp it, but I see an antagoniser and a hypocrite, and can back it up with examples, using your own words, again and again and again. Here we go again: "I am not cut out for this 'site' thing at all... I never said I wasn't cut out for this". Hoisted by your own petard once again. By contrast, your repeated 'educated but not intelligent' claim has no substance to it beyond your own imagination. All you have to back it up are cries of 'you're stupid' and the like. And it is indeed empirically ludicrous to claim that the perennially injured and inconsistent Ramsey, whose great moments can be counted on your fingers, is the best box to box midfielder of the last 30 years. Were you to say 'potentially' that would have more validity, but you didn't, you said he is. You won't of course take the chance to correct your error, so it stands as ludicrous. How dare I? How dare you infer physical assault. Which is worse, I wonder. There's me, demonstrating, proving you an antagoniser and hypocrite. Then there's you, throwing out insults and claims about me for which you have absolutely no basis in reality. I wonder who's on the stronger ground. Want to keep this up?

  3. Badarse

    May 17, 2018, 12:36 #109723

    Eggman are you really as stupid as you seem? You are so arrogant that's what's laughable. I forgive your inability to understand the ramblings and offerings but they are not discussions. I antagonise certain people who have earned that response by their previous behaviour. I know that I have said this on numerous occasions and you just cannot grasp it-Ron was wrong on the intelligent statement, just education, which masks so much...look at Boris 'buffoon' Johnson as evidence. By the way apart from my dad being able to fight your dad, I have perhaps more awareness than yourself, do not promote yourself by denigrating another, it is an unforgiveable trait that you display. Incidentally as stated often, the demand for answers and football related offerings you always and immediately steam in to vilify whatever I say, do you not think others can see this even if they agree with your broader points? How dare you call another's POV ludicrous. You are eager for confrontation fella it suggests an absence in your life. However your desire for confrontation is done from the safety of a keyboard, in real life you would not survive. Possibly it is why you are so lonely and wrapped up in your own negativity. Arsene Wenger was a perfect vehicle for that glitch, I came a poor second; now I am prime. So obvious that your motives are clearly transparent. Do you fear me, resent my greater history of Arsenal, or my contrasting and happier positive views of AFC, which openly challenge your negativity? Possibly it's a combination of all three, and is now fixed as a raison d'etre for you. You clearly cannot see what the Arsenal, the Welsh national team or many others see in Aaron Ramsey. What a shame, you miss so much. And just to correct your errors which are always plentiful, I never said I wasn't cut out for 'this'. I stated I am not interested in discussing speculation. That is an inalienable right of anyone, so ditch the nasty Stalinist attitude. AKB was the prime Stalinist of this site and it is better without him, the same could be said...I think that I have obliterated you last post, and without an egg or marmalade in sight.

  4. Exeter Ex

    May 17, 2018, 12:08 #109721

    "I never enter wasteful discussions in life why on the internet?" Laughable. I've never seen more rambling, barely coherent offerings than from you and you deliberately antagonise to stoke confrontation. You really have zero self-awareness, don't you? It's taken you a week but I see you've finally attempted a defence for your ludicrous 'Ramsey is the best box to box midfielder since Bryan Robson' offering. To say that about a player who's contributed so rarely, so little over the years. And you wonder why your rare attempts to talk about the actual football are denigrated. Oh and keep up the abuse, I'll keep showing you up. Up to you. As you say yourself, you're really not cut out for this.

  5. Badarse

    May 17, 2018, 8:53 #109703

    Marky you are right, despite the confrontational approach, (as with the Eggman...when I posted I knew the 'Glitch' would appear from under a rock and try to pick it up and throw it at me, what a div.). It's true I am not cut pout for this 'site' thing at all. I never enter wasteful discussions in life why on the internet? My message is always 'wait and see', beyond the reaction to fake news. I am aware that in the deluge of drivel offered some news may well be correct but sifting and pinning hopes on what we alone would wish for is futile, my centrist friend. By the way just about everyone in Europe know that we have a very right wing conservative government which influences our society, so centrists are very much on the right, sorry to break it to you. As for seeing less of me due to Arsene going, well once more you lose the plot dear lad. I reacted to abuse and unearned criticism in a vile manner to my club manager, no more. Whenever I posted a footie related post that slithering Eggman or you and a certain part of the rabble would denigrate it. So much for exchanges involving football. By the way Eggman I believe that PV4 was one of the single best players that I ever saw but would never describe him as a 'box to box' player. Yes he could lend a lot of his game to this function but the term underplays his influence. He was part of the 'wall' in the centre of our midfield and his mere presence going forward or back helped the cohesion of the side. He was true great and virtually a one off. No he never went forward in the way Ramsey's link up play takes him, didn't score spectacular goals or assist in the way Ramsey does. Ramsey has one of the finest engines I have witnessed in top class football, and remember a young Fabregas saw off PV4 at Highbury, was Fabregas a box to box too? Not at all. Along with his natural vision and movement he had a superb long ball pass.

  6. markymark

    May 17, 2018, 8:40 #109701

    Peter Wain - Sam ? Why ? My worst case guess is that it will be a little reminiscent of Gareth Southgates England . Though saying that Arteta has said he will always play on the front foot and make the other teams do the things they don’t like. So that suggests willingness to change tactics. Obviously proof is in the pudding but from what I have read including a key note speach he gave to City staff. He wows people . Going through press articles about him he ‘talks a very good game!’ Back to Sam, he simply doesn’t fit Arsenal’s way . They’d probably bring in a semi retired big hitter like Chelsea tend to do

  7. peter wain

    May 17, 2018, 8:04 #109700

    I can see Sam Allardyce being recruited in January 2019.

  8. mbg

    May 16, 2018, 22:33 #109699

    Nigel, good post and point, how much worse can it be if we'd have had weng wang for another season, I think most of us were resigned to just that, at least, this was and is a very very pleasant surprise and bonus indeed.

  9. John F

    May 16, 2018, 20:42 #109698

    Arteta will have to work hard to get the respect of our millionaire players and a lot will depend on the caliber of his coaching staff.Making Cech a goalkeeping coach might be an idea and keeping him on as a 3rd choice keeper would save the club money.

  10. markymark

    May 16, 2018, 20:11 #109697

    Baddie - if hypothetical discussion keeps you off the Internet forums then bring it on I say . I made a prediction that once the agenda moved from Wengo we’d see less of you and your Bampot mate . I’m sure leaving us will give you more time to dedicate to your Shining Path faction of Momentum which is of course your true love ( hypothetical ) Just a point for you, in that virtually every blog I read on Arsenal is based on hypothetical discussion so bad luck sunshine. Also isn’t “Arsenal are likely to do things on the cheap” hypothetical ? I mean I’m hearing that we are bidding 34m on a defender ? Do you have evidence or is it a hypothetical statement like “Arsenal would have gone to wall if they had not moved to the Emirates” Much love M

  11. Nigel

    May 16, 2018, 20:05 #109696

    Like others have said it's a massive gamble to go with Arteta. But those now in control are gambling with their own positions and I'd like to think that that gives me some comfort. If it goes wrong how much worse could it be to Wenger staying for another year or more? And if going wrong results in a half empty stadium it wouldn't be long before we see the back end of the silent one.

  12. CORNISH GOONER

    May 16, 2018, 19:57 #109695

    I am underwhelmed by Arteta & would have preferred an up & coming manager like Jardim for instance. But this is bold stuff - the 2 new backroom guys are highly regarded & unlikely to have signed up for a project that could reduce their stock within the industry. Some Arteta stories point to a gifted coach to improving younger players & an ambitious. ruthless personality. We might have to eat a bit of humble pie regarding Josh K. I think this is a new, high risk vision from a young entrepreneur which Daddy has, probably reluctantly, agreed to. No way will Kroenke Jnr want to oversee a further decline - but, as I say, it's a high risk strategy. I'm going to be a glass half full about this. Judge me in May!

  13. mbg

    May 16, 2018, 19:57 #109694

    Gaz, good post, I also said I don't care and I still go along with it, I think there wasn't many of us expecting Arteta and expecting at least someone with more experience but yes he'll be getting my support too and no doubt everyone's, (well maybe not everyone's as i'm sure there'll still be those still in mourning for their messiah) and given time, just like we would anybody who ever it was at least his contract unless he proves to be completely out of his depth, and if that's the case as others have alluded to it will be easily sorted, and we can make a good guess who'll be shouting for the change the soonest and loudest, one things for damm sure he'll not get or be given thirteen years.

  14. Exiled in Pt

    May 16, 2018, 17:42 #109693

    Ron , in total agreement with you with regard to the owner and board. The daft thing is we probably could be involved in the top 3 as the league itself is no great shakes really! The humiliations will just keep on in the European games that is where a big name would probably push us on and we know as has been said by many of us SK is only interested in being around the top 4 anything else is purely a bonus for us the fans...

  15. Don Howe

    May 16, 2018, 17:41 #109692

    Sadly, there is no chance of my namesake coming back and doing the thing properly. There is however Mr Martin Keown, which is surely the next best thing.

  16. Exeter Ex

    May 16, 2018, 17:37 #109691

    Badarse predictably berates others for doing what the site is for - giving opinions and speculating. Equally predictable is the defence of Wenger's attitude to the staff around him when it's been so clearly outlined in the article what the problems were. "Is it really so interesting to know what Fred of S****horpe thinks of any unsubstantiated circumstances, and what predicaments they may lead to, or not?" Don't read them then. You know where the exit door is.

  17. Yes its Ron

    May 16, 2018, 17:19 #109690

    Exiled - all of this optimism we hear mentioned ignores the fact that the Board and SK arent going to change one jot. The post Wenger 'feel' is because people push this factor to the back of their minds. The new set up is the set up of least disturbance to SK and his pocket. Thats paramount in the Clubs thinking. AFC arent going to challenging the big 3 anytime soon. They might give Spurs certainly and perhaps Liverpool (said guardedly) a bit stiffer opposition with some new coaching, but beyond that, forget it. SK isnt fussed about AFC being a heavyweight club. We all know this. We ve had 11 years to know it. There will be a 'bounce' for the new guy maybe, but 4th to 5th is Arsenals bag now. Wenger going and MA coming is in reality cosmetic, garnished with a big dollop of hoping for the best. Arsenal and SK have missed a trick and stuck to what they are (unambitious) and what they know best (performing moderately with the odd nuggets here and there performing intermittently) After all the furore of AW being pressed to go, Arteta is a big anti climax as i see it.

  18. Exiled in Pt

    May 16, 2018, 16:57 #109689

    Still amazed how many people seem quite happy to put up with this owner and board! They are the ones who kept Wenger employed when other would of sacked the manager . Good luck to Arteta if he gets the job but things are far from perfect while this board remains with SK..

  19. Gaz

    May 16, 2018, 16:39 #109688

    Cheers fella!

  20. markymark

    May 16, 2018, 16:12 #109687

    Gaz - couldn’t put it better well done that man!

  21. Gaz

    May 16, 2018, 16:01 #109686

    After spending the last five years saying I'd rather anyone else but Wenger manage the Club I can't now backtrack and say I don't want Arteta to be our next manager! Of course I wanted Allegri and still do but as soon as Arteta takes over I'll back him 100% and give him every chance to turn things around. I certainly don't believe he'll become some sort of Wenger clone indeed I fully expect him to come in and do things his way even if it upsets some of those he might consider friends. It's a major plus seeing all of Wenger's back room staff leaving too and there's definitely for me the sense of a 'new broom' and all that. What I do no for sure is that for the first time in years I'm interested and excited as to what happens next and I can't wait for next season. Already looking at Youtube compilations of players we're being linked with and I haven't done that in ages! Ultimately if it doesn't work he wont last long and SK will suddenly become public enemy number one! What's not to like really!

  22. Yes its Ron

    May 16, 2018, 13:46 #109685

    1971 - Agree. Hes always had the comfort blanket of being able to think AWs hold on the club overarched his up till now. Now though hes now exposed and under pressure to impress SK. SK in my view isnt happy that Arsenes been forced out so he ll need some impressing. If all this new set up goes wrong, expect IG to be dismissed inside 12 months. I think SK will in due course want a head on a plate as recompense for AW s forced exit. Gazadis s looks like a head well worth severing at the neck. Having said all of this, that Board and the owner are the real constructors of AWs demise in my view ( i hope AWs eventual revelations in whatever form show this one day). Give it some time and ive a feeling that Wenger will be having a few quiet smug leathery grins as he watches the new set up unfold. As Bard mentions, if Arteta is the new Moyes, hopefully the fans will pick on the Board and the owner next, but you know what ...... i bet they dont. AW needed to go some yrs hence no doubt, but that Board and owner have got off light there and need to go too.

  23. mbg

    May 16, 2018, 13:41 #109684

    Apparently some of the pansie nice boys are upset at the cull too, I bet they are, it's an end to their nice cosy under no pressure regime too as they know some of them are in line for it also, and their going to be under real pressure to perform and win under a proper manager.

  24. TonyEvans

    May 16, 2018, 13:37 #109683

    Hi Ron - yes after I posted saying Arteta might be the next Guardiola I thought to myself his spend, spend, spend type of management is not what Arsenal has ever been about. I really wanted Simione who is used to working within tight transfer budgets and getting the maximum best out of his players. Failing that I wanted an experienced coach in the Ancelotti mould. Arteta will be completely unproven and a huge gamble, dressed up as some sort of rabbit from the hat.

  25. 1971 Gooner

    May 16, 2018, 13:35 #109682

    I’m all for sweeping away the Wenger deadwood, but I am a little concerned about what appears to be a land grab by Gazidis. Leadership is a great thing, but what exactly are Ivan’s credentials? He’s come out with a fair amount of cobblers down the years, notably the comment last year about scouring the globe for the best candidate to be Arsenal manager and conveniently concluding it was Wenger. He seems pre-occupied with self preservation as much as anything.

  26. Badarse

    May 16, 2018, 13:19 #109681

    I know I am not of the social media type who loves exchanging hypothetical possibilities, it's why I stay schtum. However it is amusing to read differing views on non-news. Sorry any who regard me as a sycophant-MAYDUP man would but can't spell it, he had enough trouble spelling the 'T' in T-shirt-but Ron once more has hit the nail on the head. AFC are likely to do a KWIK-FIT job on the cheap, not for certain, but the track record would give credence to that scenario. I said it a while ago and nothing yet has shaken that view. It may be a very rough journey with the new man, but that was always likely to be the price of a new man taking the reins, which had to happen eventually. The other point which I find a bit naff are the attitudes to the 'clear out'. Every manager at any level tries to get the right people around him, or her. It is natural. Those berating the 'cosy' club dismantling are clearly naive to a point of foolishness. Again I stress it is quite appropriate, especially in a big football club. Sorry but Ron said that too. Is it really so interesting to know what Fred of S****horpe thinks of any unsubstantiated circumstances, and what predicaments they may lead to, or not? Just so funny. Anyway bald eggs at the ready, 'Roll!'

  27. Yes its Ron

    May 16, 2018, 13:12 #109680

    Tony - it looks like it going to be team management by committee. Arteta being the close link to the players in control of the pure coaching only. At least he ll have a clique to blame if it doesn't work out. On Guardiola, i know the media love to dress him up as the Popes right hand, but hes had unlimited cash throughout his career at 2 of the worlds top clubs where all of the other Coaches have hIt the heights for the last 50 years, plus Man C where their earlier coaches laid the ground for his grand entrance. When i see him on the TV, Im straight to the floor in front of it, head down while kneeling on the dogs bed cushion proclaiming homage. I suppose they ll have us doing that to Gerro soon?

  28. TonyEvans

    May 16, 2018, 12:49 #109679

    Hi Ron - just saw the same headline. Certainly does not inspire me at all. With zero trust in the board going back years it is difficult now to suddenly believe they have somehow identified something special in Arteta. The only 'special qualities' the board will see in him, for me, is his, no doubt, cut price salary and willingness to be a yes man. The top quality, experienced manager I think we need looks like a pipe-dream now. I hope Arteta proves me wrong, and he really is the next Guardiola in the making, of course, but I can't help having massive doubts.

  29. Yes its Ron

    May 16, 2018, 12:24 #109678

    The Telegraph says it Arteta and Cazorla. Its all a bit underwhelming isnt it. Theyve got to start some where of course, but really? Are Arsenal no more than an organisational for players and coaches to cut their teeth now before moving onto bigger and better things? It seems like it to me. Good luck to you lads who still spend money on going to games. I think youre in for sailing some choppy waters to be honest. Its defo the cheap and hopefully cheerful route taken by the club. The social club carries on regardless perhaps? I think the hand of AW has its prints on this to be honest.

  30. Bard

    May 16, 2018, 11:51 #109677

    Moscow; You might be right mate but slipping to 12th/13th now isn't the same as 69/70. Its very difficult to get up from that position because you cant attract the calibre players. Good players only move for money and CL. Why would they join a mid table side. I think the idea that we may have to go through a few managers does strike a cord though. The advantage of a the next appointment being a f*** up and sliding to 12th/13th is that the fans ire will come down on Stan and Ivan. With Wenger gone they are much more exposed. If this sort of slide would get rid of Stan I would back that as an option.

  31. Moscowgooner

    May 16, 2018, 11:10 #109676

    Bard - sorry, can't agree with you here. Slipping to 12th or 13th would be worth it in the short term as the price for ending the AW era. (We finished 12th in 69/70 before going on to win the Double - Chelsea had their own bottom half of the table season before going on to win the league at a canter.) I think there has to be a reasonable degree of patience - you don't rebuild an entire (rotten) regime overnight. And we may need to go through two or three managers before we get it right. None of this dispels my happiness at Wenger finally going. Arteta is certainly not my first choice - I would much prefer PV - but still looking forward to next season with much more anticipation than for many many years.

  32. Yes its Ron

    May 16, 2018, 10:33 #109675

    Well, im right with KC38 on Arteta. If the job's his i hope he does well but his appointment says more about where Arsenal see themselves in the pecking order nowadays than it does about his credentials as a Manager doesn't it. It seems like the new blokes job is very much a diluted version of what Wengers role was. A sort of cog in the new set up rather than the entire gearbox? It suggests prhaps that the Club have recognised that AW had far too much control and want to address it, but to me, it seems like theyre going far to much the other way to prove the point? Either you have a Coach or you dont. Some job that gives the new man little influence cant be helpful.Lets face it, just who are these so called experts who Gazadis drafted in behind Wengers back that we re all supposed to hold in great esteem? Mislintat and Co Where are their titles and CL s? It all seems like a case of too many cooks to me. I hope to be wrong.

  33. Bard

    May 16, 2018, 9:39 #109674

    Some good posts. If the rumours are true it doesn't look very good to me. I understand the need for a structure behind the scenes but you cant have a manager in whose job is on the line every week, and doesn't have any say over who comes in. Maybe this is why we aren't attracting the top managers and Arteta is the favourite. As others have said where does the real power lie now that Wenger has gone. ?The pressure is really on Stan and the board, if they get this wrong and we dont start improving on our 6th place then things are going to get very sticky for Ivan and Co. A slip from 6th to 8th or 9th would really see a mutiny among the fans. The Wenger disciples will be expecting something more to compensate for the loss of their loved one or they may turn. Exciting but dangerous times.

  34. markymark

    May 16, 2018, 9:32 #109673

    I think with Arteta he is extremely ambitious but sensibly wants to bed himself in at a club where he can learn his trade, make his mistakes and the expectations are less before going to a top Spanish club Barcelona / Real . So hmmm Arsenal is the perfect fit Doh!

  35. markymark

    May 16, 2018, 9:18 #109672

    Gooner Ron / Tony - you’d hope that transfers is still by agreement wouldn’t you. I did read yesterday could be BS that Mstinlat overruled Wenger of Martial. Going for Mty instead . That would make sense in terms of the overrule as would we have ended up with 3 forwards. But if true it shows his power. Tuchel and Mstinlat famously fell out which may have been a rebellion on Tuchel’s part

  36. TonyEvans

    May 16, 2018, 8:53 #109671

    GoonerRon - you may be right of course, and the new coach / manager will have more of a say then I am envisaging. A team effort approach on transfers which could work, but the big question is who will have the final say so?

  37. GoonerRon

    May 16, 2018, 8:44 #109670

    @ Tony - I’m not sure the structure must mean the Head Coach has no say over transfers. We have a guy to help us find the players, we have a guy to help us do the deals but that doesn’t necessarily mean the coach has no say on who we go for. It’s not impossible to imagine the coach assessing the squad in preseason / stats analysis / on DVD and saying we need X, Y and Z (X = GK, Y = CB, Z = CM) and Sven showing a shortlist of players for each position we have scouted, their contract situation, likely cost, likelihood of us getting them etc.

  38. Goonhogday

    May 16, 2018, 8:39 #109669

    It’s too early to appoint Arteta. He needs experience at a smaller club first. The other concern I have is that he’s played with a lot of the existing squad and been one of the lads. Will that prevent him from being a ruthless decision maker? I hope not. The first team needs an authority figure who’s been there and done it. I would choose Vieira over Arteta if we’re going to go for a former player.

  39. TonyEvans

    May 16, 2018, 8:02 #109668

    Bard / Markymark - I am 99% sure it is going to be Arteta or an 'Arteta' type appointment. Gazedis, having finally ousted the tyrant Wenger, is not going to readily hand over the power-base to the new man coming in. Also the new set up is designed entirely for this type of appointment - a coach, not a manager. So that rules out someone like Ancelotti, Benitez or Allegri (who would be my preferred options) who would never consider coming to any club where they had no say over transfers. I hope I am wrong but that is definitely the way I see it, and my euphoria over Wenger leaving is waning a little because I don't see this as the answer.

  40. peter wain

    May 16, 2018, 7:53 #109667

    why not pv4? He has experience knows the premier league and is a manager

  41. markymark

    May 16, 2018, 7:43 #109666

    Guardian / Mirror / Express / Mail - more or less saying Arteta done deal , he’s going through backroom staff after productive talks . It’s the head coach restriction ( no budget control ) that killed off Alegri’s interest

  42. KC38

    May 15, 2018, 23:39 #109665

    There is nothing exciting about a new mañager that has never managed, we should all be horrified. Gerrard goes to Rangers to learn his craft not at Liverpool. This is lunacy a cheap yes man appointment. To get appointed to a top job you have to have prove your good at your last one. We know nothing about Arteta as a man manager or coach, this is a diabolical gamble.

  43. mbg

    May 15, 2018, 22:45 #109664

    Not that I'll be to bothered like but it will be interesting to see where all his cast offs end up, for all their devotion to TOF and nodding and bowing to him I doubt very much he gives a fook either, wherever it is I bet they won't be creaming as much off the club on nice contracts, and be in such a cosy regime with no pressure as they were here, their going to find a big difference and going to be brought back down to earth with a massive kick up the arse when they find themselves working under a proper ambitious manager and club under real pressure to succeed like getting promotion or stay up.

  44. Bard

    May 15, 2018, 20:56 #109663

    John F; I'd be happy with an Ancelloti Arteta combo. It appears that all the other top contenders are either out of our league in terms or ambition/money or they have other jobs. Its a testament to how far we have fallen that there arent too many candidates.

  45. GoonerRon

    May 15, 2018, 20:54 #109662

    @ Ron - exciting times in that we have closure from the whole Wenger saga and the board are using the opportunity to freshen things up behind the scenes (whether at a new manager’s behest or not). I don’t agree with just cutting away from anything that Wenger has touched for the sake of it but trying to change things up is good to see. In Burgess, Sanellhi and Mislintat we have world class operators at Exec/Head of level who are only recently into the club - these people won’t come into the club to preside over mediocrity which gives me hope we might be able to kick on. I must admit my excitement is slightly tempered with a modicum of apprehension about what comes next as the club, the players, the supporters, the new manager, new coaches are heading into the unknown.

  46. John F

    May 15, 2018, 18:43 #109661

    It is impossible to get any clarity of the management situation from the press.Yesterday I read that Ancelloti is going to Napoli today he apparently told the Napoli President that he has a pre contract agreement with Arsenal according to the Metro.What would be great if Ancelloti took over with Arteta as coach with the view to taking the job at some point if he proves himself.

  47. Yes its Ron

    May 15, 2018, 17:21 #109660

    I think Bould and Lehman ought to be gone too. However, this cull is done at the request of and for the new bloke. Its a bit unfair to say AW looked after all of his mates. All Coaches do that. Many on here (me inc) laud Conte, but check out the 9 Italian guys that Chelsea have to pay off if Conte walks or is sacked by them. Every new man will have his 'team' with him. AW was no exception. Any new man at Arsenal will want his own crew in there with him. The fact of this cull occuting now isnt due to Gazadis finally growing a pair, its him abiding by what the incoming man wants. The sheer number culled suggests that the new man knows them all well, so its fair to suggest the jobs Artetas. GR - Whats happened yet that has you brimming with the prospect of ' exciting times'? I d suggest that you need to wait till at least next Xmas before you can make a rational judgement on that really matey? Yes, AW going is right and its over due of course, but theres far too many people thinking all will be rosy in the garden more or less straight away. Hard as it might be to consider, there's no known evidence to suggest that all of what AW left was cancerous to the club. Much of it was valued by the club for so long. You need to see who the new man brings in with him before you allow yself to be filled with naive fan enthusiasm. For all that you know, our new exciting man and his team might be our Moyes waltzing in through the front door to tiffle and faff about aimlessly as he did at Utd. We may yet dip lower before we rally to greater heights. We seem to now be able to say to ourselves that theres no proven, natural born, top, winning Coach, the like of Mourinho et al's ilk coming in. Arsenal are starting off on their latest experiment.As with all experiments it needs time plus it might yet blow up.

  48. peter wain

    May 15, 2018, 17:08 #109659

    no news on the manager then. Jut more Gazidis waffle and dithering. I wonder they do not give him the job.

  49. Aylesbury Gooner

    May 15, 2018, 16:52 #109657

    Bob totally agree with you about Bouldy wasn't man enough to stand up to Wenger when it came to defensive duties,and if i did a s little as he did at work i would have been sacked years ago a total disgrace and should be kicked out too.

  50. mbg

    May 15, 2018, 16:49 #109656

    It just shows and proves what a coward and dictator wenger was, right the way to the bottom i'd say, Liam Brady was probably the only one who showed balls and self respect and walked way back, if my memory serves he wasn't happy in the direction things were going, or something along those lines, was he ever heard of again.

  51. mbg

    May 15, 2018, 16:18 #109655

    Cosy little set up indeed a lovely nodding dog cartel, and i'd say we don't know the fooking half of it so lets hope there's more to come yet, how they've got away with it for so long is shameful, the only things they were good for and experts at was applying haemorrhoid cream to wengers ring, wenger you have so much to answer for, thankfully you now have. WGOAB.

  52. Bob Bayliss

    May 15, 2018, 16:05 #109654

    I'm glad that the new broom is sweeping through the club: while Wenger was the main problem he was also a massive symptom of a self-appreciation society which was there way too long. Why is Bouldy not out of the door with him? It isn't good enough to excuse him for not being "allowed" to coach the defence. He is implicit in Wenger's failure.

  53. Bard

    May 15, 2018, 15:52 #109653

    Good to hear we are shifting deadwood. At long last we seem to be upgrading the backroom staff. Tony Evans, I agree, hope we aren't now going down the road of a neutered manager as a response to Wenger all encompassing control.

  54. markymark

    May 15, 2018, 15:43 #109652

    Gooner Ron -, I think it was when Kim Kalstrom went to see Colin Lewin about a dislocated finger agreed to some manipulation which then resulted in a broken back . Kevin seems to be implying that Colin was also telling the dear little mascots to f’ off . Other than that s brilliant physio ! I think I’m joking ?!?

  55. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    May 15, 2018, 14:33 #109651

    More like a golfing society than a background staff at a major football club. Very welcome clear out indeed.

  56. GoonerRon

    May 15, 2018, 14:32 #109650

    None of these are too surprising besides Colin Lewin (he’s Gary’s cousin, not brother by the way). Rumours suggest Darren Burgess made that decision and I’d imagine if he’s as eminent in his role as was reported on his joining he’d have access to the very best physios in the business. That said, since Shad came in I’d say our injury record has been far better. Exciting times ahead.

  57. markymark

    May 15, 2018, 13:40 #109649

    TonyEvans - I’m being very fatalistic about this as I probably sound like a paid up member of the Arteta fan squad. In truth I reserve judgement , you are fundamentally correct. What I think has happened is a classic business consultancy answer . The report would have read of complaints about lack of defined roles, overarching reach by Wenger, no prescriptive coaching , continual cycle of injury. Result clearly defined specialisms , decentralised control to 3 Specialised managers ( Mstinlat , Sanhelli , Gazidis ) one specialised overall coach ( who will be controlled ) that’s the rub isn’t it. Where I’m s little bit open is that the complete swing back May not work as intended but still may achieve forward movement . As I said if it goes wrong thought it will take seasons and multiple high level sackings to sort it. I do think though Sanhelli May be a brute so maybe he may lick things into shape. I can’t see him waiting 8 seasons with a management failure

  58. Goonhogday

    May 15, 2018, 13:35 #109648

    Just to clarify my use of the word challenge from my earlier post, I’m referring to just putting an effort in, not challenging for the title! We’re light years away from such thoughts at the moment!

  59. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    May 15, 2018, 13:29 #109647

    Good to see a long overdue culling of not just the manager but all his sub standard cronies too. Has there ever been a more comfortable, non pressurised set up in football than Wenger and his yes men? I doubt it. Most sources on the internet certain that Arteta will be the man, some saying with Xavi Alonso as his assistant. Probably not what most of us would have gone for but at the very least we will have a cause to really get behind for the first time in many years

  60. Goonhogday

    May 15, 2018, 13:22 #109646

    Sounds like the broom was finally brought out and used then! Once the new man has been appointed, I hope it can be applied to some of the player staff too! Looking forward to August already and hopefully a fully fit first team, well prepared and hungry to challenge

  61. mbg

    May 15, 2018, 12:41 #109645

    Exeter Ex, yes all yes men not fit for fooking purpose, I wouldn't have them coaching ten year olds or trust the medics with a band aid, a great start, exciting times ahead.

  62. TonyEvans

    May 15, 2018, 12:36 #109644

    My God what a cosy old set up it was! Not just content to indulge his players Wenger also made sure his mates were well looked after too! Markymark (previous thread)if indeed it is going to be Arteta - as you say presumably he will have no say on player recruitment and will purely coach what he is given. Can't see that working myself - yes Wenger had far too much power, but to go 100% in the other direction is surely not the answer.

  63. mbg

    May 15, 2018, 12:30 #109643

    Cracking news Kevin it's great to see the axe wielded so soon, they look like they mean business no hanging about, these nodding dogs were stinking the place out for far far to long too, second and third rate yes men who no doubt were on overinflated contracts they didn't deserve, Gerry Peyton ? keeper coach ? past it now for about ten years and a couple of hip ops ? remember they'd all still be there/here next season and maybe the season after if TOF and his wengerites had got their way, hopefully there's still a lot more gutting to come, exciting times.

  64. Exeter Ex

    May 15, 2018, 12:17 #109642

    Really brings home it became all about retaining all power unto himself rather than the success of the club for Wenger. Ferguson could delegate, could stand a new coach getting some credit, Wenger couldn't. Great to hear that's all being swept away.

  65. The Man From UNCLE

    May 15, 2018, 11:44 #109640

    The very definition of nepotism and this gets to the very core of all that is rotten at our great club.